There is nothing more painful in the world than ordering a new part for your pc only to realise that you can't actually connect it to your motherboard or that your pc doesn't work as intended after the installation
most motherboards now have diodes to prevent backfeeding so its not really relevent anymore only when working on older hardware the reason this was bad is beacause spinning the fan makes it work as an alternator wich would feed alternative current to your motherboard which runs on DC and is not meant to be powered through the fan header so it might not like it
@@nemtudom5074 what you mean by generator is actually called an alternator An alternator and a motor arent the same thing you can reverse a motor and use it as an alternator but not the other way around
if you can recognize it in the windows thingy that manages drives (i use linux i dont remember its name lol) you should be able to at least format it and use it as a storage space for stuff like footage while editing, will also take some load off of your boot drive and speed up anything you put on it. (until you can boot off of it of course) sometimes we bite technology and sometimes it bites us, i know the pain all too well.
@@ilfardrachadi2318 idk but i'd guess searching something like drive manager or partition manager would find it, might actually just be partition manager that im thinking of.
@@killingtimeitself It's in the disc manager - that's what was running during the bits where he showed it was detected. Right-click, Format. If you're running Windows 11 it may force you to pick a drive letter first.
2:00 You usually need to initialise the SSD with either MBR or GPT (these decide how your ssd stores the data), and you should use GPT if your hardware supports it, which most things made in the last decade do 2:42 Yeap, time to go into disk management (windows is stupid and brings it up as 'create and format disk partitions')
reason why mouse and keyboard not working was because you shutdown your pc instead of rebooting it to turn it off and install new hardware To fix disable "fast startup" in classic power options in windows, once disabled a shutdown is a shutdown not a hybrid shutdown witch is like a hibernate after logging off,, you can tell when it's on because of having lots of days uptime even thought you shutdown your pc every day (only a restart is a clean shutdown if fast startup is enabled) Windows fast startup can cause problems with antivirus software and unstable os/random problems or no updates installing it's just not worth it been enabled and should never be enabled if your boot drive is a ssd anyway (first thing I do whenever I touch a pc is disable fast startup + some other basic things)
The good news is you can buy adapters for this that don't use the PCIE port, they use the SATA ports! Something like the SAT32M225 or similar might work so you can run the drive through a sata port on your mobo. (nevermind, noticed it's an NVMe drive, and not a SATA m.2)
At least the drive works as storage... Unlike my motherboard where that port is just dead. I have once again learned that you get less than what you pay for.
TL:DR; If you need help with computers, don't hessitate to ask for help, you could even ask if any of your Patreons has any idea ^^ I know not everyone is a computer expert (sadly I'm an unemplloyed computer technician), but if your PC is older than X thing, assume it wont work, do your research before buying. You may have a great surprise if it ends up working 😊 Also, next time if you want to boot from it (because you can't boot off PCI device on old BIOS), purchase an M.2 SATA to SATA 2.5/3.5 inches case (yes it's in inches even in Europe). It's just an enclosure with the same ports and shape of an HHD/SSD disk (a box). Hope it helps! (That or just buy a regular SATA 2.5/3.5 inch SSD)
I’m usually ok when it comes to computers, but being someone who has only ever built quite cheap, and therefore usually old, computers I’d just never come across an SSD like that, and certainly didn’t know what an m.2 port is. Definitely been a lesson to challenge my assumptions, I assumed that the photos on Amazon were just illustrative and it would be that chip in the photos but in a proper case like a hard drive and the older SSDs I’m familiar with. Stupid when looking back, but hindsight is 20/20.
@Xeros08 Well a BIOS can boot from PCI-e, even on Consumer Boards like this one. The catch is that the PCI-e device needs to have its own Bios so to speak. which these modern PCI-e/SSDs devices dont have.
I see you’ve made the classic pc upgrading blunder, don’t worry, I’ve done it way too many times considering how many computers I’ve built and upgraded. Couple things to check: your motherboard might have a pcie passthrough mode, and that might allow you to boot off of the disk. A command line program called “DISKPART” can also see everything the disk manager can see, but it can also usually format those drives even if disk manager can’t, might be something worth checking out. You do have to be careful with it, because it can nuke your boot drive, but just make sure the drive numbers line up with the ones in disk manager and you’ll be ok. There is also a distinction between NVME drives, which all use the m.2 port, and sata m.2 drives, as you found out. Not all boards that have m.2 ports can do both sata and nvme, so make sure you get one that does. Additionally, if/when you do get a new board, check out some last generation parts, as you’ll get a good deal and they’re a lot more stable than the current generation ones (current gen will get better, but it’s pretty rough right now)
I was looking for a new motherboard, but I have an old CPU (intel i5-2600k if I remember correctly) and all of the motherboards that support it are also so old that they have the same problem as my current one. So basically, if I want to upgrade the motherboard, I have to upgrade the CPU too, and if I want to upgrade the CPU I will very likely have to upgrade the PSU, so to upgrade this one part I actually need to upgrade three parts. I will do it eventually once the moneys there but I’m happy with my SSD just for my games and footage for now.
@@ripecontext yeah, that'll be a problem until 4th or 5th gen, I think. Those are still over 100 USD, and the 7th gen are still in the 300 range, new anyway. If you can save up, you can probably get an older generation CPU that supports what you need.
I had the exact same issue - I completely didn't expect a BIOS to not be bootable from PCIe! I already had a 128GB SATA SSD anyway so I used that for my OS and everything else is on the NVMe :)
Well a BIOS can boot from PCI-e, even on Consumer Boards like this one. The catch is that the PCI-e device needs to have its own Bios so to speak. which these modern PCI-e devices dont have.
If it helps, your OS can sit on your old drive, and you can use the SSD for your video storage / editing pool. You REALLY want a fast SSD for that anyway. Separately, if you can save up the money for, I recommend getting the cheapest mac you can get. the mini is currently the winner there, and will probably get cheaper as more get refurbished. The free video editing / deck software for the mac is better than the paid software you can get for Windows. It also supports external m.2 because it uses thunderbolt, which is PCI-E over USB.
I had this exact same problem, old mobo plus m2 doesnt behave well I have found a program cloverleaf or something like that , it supposedly fix the problem by booting from a disk then loading a driver for the m2 and then booting from the m2
@@ripecontext this is true, but as a counter point, replies on YT will disappear from your notifications, never to be found again. Not a problem now, but if you have 300,000 people replying to your community posts, things get .. lost.
0:34 SATA is the protocol, not the plug. People just refer to the plug as the SATA. But the m.2 connector plug can also use the SATA protocol, which is what you ended up with Edit: You need an nvme ssd, and NVME being the protocol again, that runs through the m.2 port
NVME is the storage technology. Normally when people say NVME they mean NVME over PCI/PCIe, but there's also NVME over SATA. PCI and SATA are both data transfer buses, each with their respective protocols. Diference is that SATA needs a controller (just like USB does), and PCI/PCIe connects directly (mostly, old PCs have a north bridge) to the CPU.
Do you need help? If so i would be glad to help out. If you post what parts you have i help you to find an upgrade path or if you have a bit of an bigger Budget even a new rig. Just sent me a message.
This was just a bit of a blind spot for me really, I’m usually alright with this kind of stuff I just got complacent. I’m mostly just waiting for the money to be able to upgrade my rig, and now I know to make sure I have an M.2 port :D I could get a new motherboard now, but if I did that I’d need a new CPU because the motherboards that support my CPU don’t have any m.2 ports and also probably don’t support booting from PCIe. But if I got a new CPU I would likely need to get a new PSU. Basically, I’m at a bit of an impass because there’s no way to gradually upgrade at this point, i just need to save up and go for the new CPU, MoBo and PSU at once, or just get a new rig if it’s more money-efficient.
@@ripecontext ok, got you. If you do decide on new parts and want a second opinion or someone to check for possible incompatibilities give me a shout 👍
My original comment got deleted in which i mentioned using Clover Bootloader on a separate drive (usb stick, old hard drive) with clover's NVMe driver enabled which will allow to boot into Windows on the NVMe drive
@@tsalVlog motherboards made in last 20 years can boot from usb, I even had mobos for Pentium III on socket 370 from year 2000 that have this feature. Also, he used a usb drive to install windows. From what I can tell his computer is from 2012 or newer, probably intel sandy bridge or ivy bridge, just few years too old to get nvme booting support, but usb booting was ubiquitous.
@tsalVlog any recent computer can boot from USB, that’s how you install the operating system usually. If i said that I misspoke, I believe I was meant to say it can only boot from SATA or USB.
@@ripecontext it's muddy water, unfortunately. Newer chipsets have less chips with newer tech that can store more stuff -- but a lot of the ones with more chips are faster, because the load is spread out by a separate flash processor. that price would have been dodgy a few months ago, but on sale now seems about right. you are just in a market that is getting flooded with "old tech" getting bargain binned (and sometimes labelled wrong) in order to make room for "new tech" that a lot of people aren't buying. and that's just like.. a third of the problem 😅
There is nothing more painful in the world than ordering a new part for your pc only to realise that you can't actually connect it to your motherboard or that your pc doesn't work as intended after the installation
the pc must grow
Pro tip: when blowing out your computers dust, hold the fans. Letting them just spin can break them.
most motherboards now have diodes to prevent backfeeding so its not really relevent anymore only when working on older hardware the reason this was bad is beacause spinning the fan makes it work as an alternator wich would feed alternative current to your motherboard which runs on DC and is not meant to be powered through the fan header so it might not like it
It also generates electricity, because a motor is just a generator.
A generator you spin to make electricity
A motor is spun with electricity
@@nemtudom5074 what you mean by generator is actually called an alternator
An alternator and a motor arent the same thing you can reverse a motor and use it as an alternator but not the other way around
if you can recognize it in the windows thingy that manages drives (i use linux i dont remember its name lol) you should be able to at least format it and use it as a storage space for stuff like footage while editing, will also take some load off of your boot drive and speed up anything you put on it. (until you can boot off of it of course)
sometimes we bite technology and sometimes it bites us, i know the pain all too well.
@@ilfardrachadi2318 idk but i'd guess searching something like drive manager or partition manager would find it, might actually just be partition manager that im thinking of.
@@killingtimeitself It's in the disc manager - that's what was running during the bits where he showed it was detected.
Right-click, Format. If you're running Windows 11 it may force you to pick a drive letter first.
2:00 You usually need to initialise the SSD with either MBR or GPT (these decide how your ssd stores the data), and you should use GPT if your hardware supports it, which most things made in the last decade do
2:42 Yeap, time to go into disk management (windows is stupid and brings it up as 'create and format disk partitions')
reason why mouse and keyboard not working was because you shutdown your pc instead of rebooting it to turn it off and install new hardware
To fix disable "fast startup" in classic power options in windows, once disabled a shutdown is a shutdown not a hybrid shutdown witch is like a hibernate after logging off,, you can tell when it's on because of having lots of days uptime even thought you shutdown your pc every day (only a restart is a clean shutdown if fast startup is enabled)
Windows fast startup can cause problems with antivirus software and unstable os/random problems or no updates installing it's just not worth it been enabled and should never be enabled if your boot drive is a ssd anyway (first thing I do whenever I touch a pc is disable fast startup + some other basic things)
I suddenly feel so validated with the week I spent learning about motherboards in order to buy one that is more future proof
The good news is you can buy adapters for this that don't use the PCIE port, they use the SATA ports! Something like the SAT32M225 or similar might work so you can run the drive through a sata port on your mobo. (nevermind, noticed it's an NVMe drive, and not a SATA m.2)
this will not work because he bought an NVMe m.2 drive, not a SATA m.2 drive
@@berdinskiybear oh it was NVMe, I thought he made the mistake of buying a SATA m.2 drive.
@@berdinskiybear From the pic he put up of what he ordered it was Sata m.2. If that is correct or he showed the wrong thing I dont know.
@@dralord1307 1:38 he shows WD_Black SN770 1TB and it is an NVMe drive
@@berdinskiybear 0:27 he shows the info about the drive. As I said not sure which one is correct
At least the drive works as storage...
Unlike my motherboard where that port is just dead. I have once again learned that you get less than what you pay for.
TL:DR; If you need help with computers, don't hessitate to ask for help, you could even ask if any of your Patreons has any idea ^^
I know not everyone is a computer expert (sadly I'm an unemplloyed computer technician), but if your PC is older than X thing, assume it wont work, do your research before buying.
You may have a great surprise if it ends up working 😊
Also, next time if you want to boot from it (because you can't boot off PCI device on old BIOS), purchase an M.2 SATA to SATA 2.5/3.5 inches case (yes it's in inches even in Europe).
It's just an enclosure with the same ports and shape of an HHD/SSD disk (a box). Hope it helps!
(That or just buy a regular SATA 2.5/3.5 inch SSD)
I’m usually ok when it comes to computers, but being someone who has only ever built quite cheap, and therefore usually old, computers I’d just never come across an SSD like that, and certainly didn’t know what an m.2 port is.
Definitely been a lesson to challenge my assumptions, I assumed that the photos on Amazon were just illustrative and it would be that chip in the photos but in a proper case like a hard drive and the older SSDs I’m familiar with. Stupid when looking back, but hindsight is 20/20.
@Xeros08 Well a BIOS can boot from PCI-e, even on Consumer Boards like this one. The catch is that the PCI-e device needs to have its own Bios so to speak. which these modern PCI-e/SSDs devices dont have.
@@RexorProxer Yeah, because newer mothereboards already have the controllers in the chipset.
I see you’ve made the classic pc upgrading blunder, don’t worry, I’ve done it way too many times considering how many computers I’ve built and upgraded.
Couple things to check: your motherboard might have a pcie passthrough mode, and that might allow you to boot off of the disk. A command line program called “DISKPART” can also see everything the disk manager can see, but it can also usually format those drives even if disk manager can’t, might be something worth checking out. You do have to be careful with it, because it can nuke your boot drive, but just make sure the drive numbers line up with the ones in disk manager and you’ll be ok.
There is also a distinction between NVME drives, which all use the m.2 port, and sata m.2 drives, as you found out. Not all boards that have m.2 ports can do both sata and nvme, so make sure you get one that does.
Additionally, if/when you do get a new board, check out some last generation parts, as you’ll get a good deal and they’re a lot more stable than the current generation ones (current gen will get better, but it’s pretty rough right now)
I was looking for a new motherboard, but I have an old CPU (intel i5-2600k if I remember correctly) and all of the motherboards that support it are also so old that they have the same problem as my current one. So basically, if I want to upgrade the motherboard, I have to upgrade the CPU too, and if I want to upgrade the CPU I will very likely have to upgrade the PSU, so to upgrade this one part I actually need to upgrade three parts. I will do it eventually once the moneys there but I’m happy with my SSD just for my games and footage for now.
@@ripecontext yeah, that'll be a problem until 4th or 5th gen, I think. Those are still over 100 USD, and the 7th gen are still in the 300 range, new anyway. If you can save up, you can probably get an older generation CPU that supports what you need.
Improvise Adapt Overcome!
I had the exact same issue - I completely didn't expect a BIOS to not be bootable from PCIe! I already had a 128GB SATA SSD anyway so I used that for my OS and everything else is on the NVMe :)
Well a BIOS can boot from PCI-e, even on Consumer Boards like this one. The catch is that the PCI-e device needs to have its own Bios so to speak. which these modern PCI-e devices dont have.
Genuinely scary, lol. Good luck with the rest of the upgrade!
don't know but a bios update might help? Older motherboards are harder to update so be careful. Don't know, cool that you did spread some knowledge.
If it helps, your OS can sit on your old drive, and you can use the SSD for your video storage / editing pool. You REALLY want a fast SSD for that anyway.
Separately, if you can save up the money for, I recommend getting the cheapest mac you can get. the mini is currently the winner there, and will probably get cheaper as more get refurbished. The free video editing / deck software for the mac is better than the paid software you can get for Windows. It also supports external m.2 because it uses thunderbolt, which is PCI-E over USB.
I had this exact same problem, old mobo plus m2 doesnt behave well I have found a program cloverleaf or something like that , it supposedly fix the problem by booting from a disk then loading a driver for the m2 and then booting from the m2
Also, do you have a Discord or subreddit?
I do not, I don’t really understand the point of it if have anything I need to communicate I have the community tab.
@@ripecontext fair enough
@@ripecontext this is true, but as a counter point, replies on YT will disappear from your notifications, never to be found again. Not a problem now, but if you have 300,000 people replying to your community posts, things get .. lost.
0:34 SATA is the protocol, not the plug. People just refer to the plug as the SATA.
But the m.2 connector plug can also use the SATA protocol, which is what you ended up with
Edit: You need an nvme ssd, and NVME being the protocol again, that runs through the m.2 port
NVME is the storage technology.
Normally when people say NVME they mean NVME over PCI/PCIe, but there's also NVME over SATA.
PCI and SATA are both data transfer buses, each with their respective protocols.
Diference is that SATA needs a controller (just like USB does), and PCI/PCIe connects directly (mostly, old PCs have a north bridge) to the CPU.
TL:DR;
Your statement, corrected:
"NVME being the storage technology, that runs through PCI/SATA, being the protocol, through an m.2 port".
I feel ya man...
atlest you can use it still to store fottage on it
Do you need help? If so i would be glad to help out. If you post what parts you have i help you to find an upgrade path or if you have a bit of an bigger Budget even a new rig. Just sent me a message.
This was just a bit of a blind spot for me really, I’m usually alright with this kind of stuff I just got complacent. I’m mostly just waiting for the money to be able to upgrade my rig, and now I know to make sure I have an M.2 port :D
I could get a new motherboard now, but if I did that I’d need a new CPU because the motherboards that support my CPU don’t have any m.2 ports and also probably don’t support booting from PCIe. But if I got a new CPU I would likely need to get a new PSU. Basically, I’m at a bit of an impass because there’s no way to gradually upgrade at this point, i just need to save up and go for the new CPU, MoBo and PSU at once, or just get a new rig if it’s more money-efficient.
@@ripecontext ok, got you. If you do decide on new parts and want a second opinion or someone to check for possible incompatibilities give me a shout 👍
you might upgrade your motherboard instead of changing to ssd
My original comment got deleted in which i mentioned using Clover Bootloader on a separate drive (usb stick, old hard drive) with clover's NVMe driver enabled which will allow to boot into Windows on the NVMe drive
he notes at one point his motherboard is actually too old to boot from USB. his only option would be "or old hard drive", basically.
@@tsalVlog motherboards made in last 20 years can boot from usb, I even had mobos for Pentium III on socket 370 from year 2000 that have this feature. Also, he used a usb drive to install windows. From what I can tell his computer is from 2012 or newer, probably intel sandy bridge or ivy bridge, just few years too old to get nvme booting support, but usb booting was ubiquitous.
@@tsalVlog also he mentioned that his cpu is probably i5-2600k, so usb booting on his motherboard surely will work
@tsalVlog any recent computer can boot from USB, that’s how you install the operating system usually. If i said that I misspoke, I believe I was meant to say it can only boot from SATA or USB.
@@ripecontext that's on me, I went back and looked and I misread the caption
So no new video?
Yes new video, just might not be as soon because I wasted a few days waiting for this so I could use Davinci Resolve
£66 for a 1TB SSD? Sounds dodgy
its a wd black and given recent flash shenanigans it wouldnt surprise me if that was on sale when he bought it.
As in too cheap or too expensive? It looks around middle of the road price-wise when i google SSDs for its size and speed
@@ripecontext it's muddy water, unfortunately. Newer chipsets have less chips with newer tech that can store more stuff -- but a lot of the ones with more chips are faster, because the load is spread out by a separate flash processor. that price would have been dodgy a few months ago, but on sale now seems about right. you are just in a market that is getting flooded with "old tech" getting bargain binned (and sometimes labelled wrong) in order to make room for "new tech" that a lot of people aren't buying.
and that's just like.. a third of the problem 😅