Respect to firefighters. They may not know exactly what they're dealing with before they go to a fire, but they go anyway. Of the 218 that died in the 2020 Beirut explosion, 10 were firefighters that arrived at the warehouse that improperly stored 552 metric tonnes of ammonium nitrate, the same chemcial used in the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995.
Some say a foreign govt is responsible for setting off that inferno in Beirut. The same outfit that attacked the USS Liberty years ago and continues to attack its neighbors daily.
One would have thought the 1947 Texas City explosion would have made ammonium nitrate handling and safety protocols of the utmost importance. Apparently not.
The humankind are pathetic! Rolled up steel or metal sheet, push and force the sheet under the burning car, or has some light forklifting while push the flat metallic sheet under the car. Then rolled out barrier of inflatable walls around the car but not too near it to get burnt, the walls only need to be tall enough to fill up waters to drown the car or submerged it, the base of these walls are either suction cup to the metallic sheet, to prevent leaking of water, spray fast drying concrete foams at the base and corner on the wall. Keep firehosing into the the swimming pool with the burning car inside. This method saves water and drown the burning car. I am baby chatting with you, because you are not worth it! Don’t ask me about other misc small details as how to deliver and prepaid materials to built the immediate swimming pool!
After a hurricane in Florida, several Teslas caught fire due to corrosion caused by salt water. This would implicate northern climates where salt is used in road ice management.
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As a Rural volunteer fire department. We are working on our own tactics. It is plain to see no one cares about how we are to fight these things. The attention on just getting them on the road is most important.
A lot of combustion engine vehicles catch fire each year. There is no denying it. My problem with Electric Vehicles is that there is very little chance to get out without at the very least burns. Imagine having a child in a car seat and your battery bursting into flames. It isn't just a small fire that grows. It is quite literally an instant inferno full of toxic fumes. If electric vehicles are the future then someone had better get a hold on this problem however infrequent it may be.
more kia and hyundai cars and suv have caught fire than all of the EVs combined. FACTS. go watch the videos here on youtube. thousands of people barely made it out of the cars before they went up in flames completely
@@toromontana8290 Goggle, Electric vehicles and busses going up in flames 🔥 you would be surprised, and don't park them in your garage or close to the house...
If I remember correctly, the airlines have a prohibited transporting Li batteries in passenger aircraft due to fire possibilities. GM’s response to house fires caused by their batteries catching fire was (wait for it. . . . ) charge you car outside, not in the garage. Brilliant 😵💫
You don’t remember correctly. Were you allowed to bring your phone with you? How about your laptop? You’re not allowed to put lithium-ion batteries in the cargo area of an airplane. But then again you’re not allowed to put bottles of gasoline there either. Wait for it, to automotive companies have recommended you not park your gasoline car in your garage because of spontaneous fires. Check on current recalls.
@@neilkurzman4907 LOL. Since when people are not allowed to park their gasoline or diesel cars in the garage because of fire risk. You’re just making things up. It’s a garage! It’s purpose is to store cars.
Yes that seems inconvenient but to be fair do you think it would be wise to be storing and pouring 20 gallons of gasoline in your garage. GM did have a problem with the Bolt but I think they have resolved it. Tesla has had very little problems with fire and the vast majority of there cars have been safely charged in garages for a long time. There have been. CHICAGO (CBS) -- Millions of Kia and Hyundai vehicles were recalled Wednesday over concerns they could catch on fire while parked or while being driven. Hyundai warned drivers to park their cars outside until they can get the necessary repairs. This problem as you can plainly see from the above press release is not necessary unique to every cars. Hyundai and Kia recall 3.4 million cars for this problem in 2009 -2010 model years. Their advice, park the car outside. Ironically ain’t it.
Another concerning aspect is the ageing of these vehicles. Rust / corrosion is a major problem here in the UK and is only made worse from the salting of the roads during the Winter months. The batteries are underside so we can only expect rust eventually getting into the battery casings and potentially causing corrosion of these Lithium packs in say for example 10+ years time.
This whole video is full of factual omissions, firstly alot of batteries can't be put out with water, once the battery catches fire the chemicals in the battery produce more oxigen which fuels the fire. An experiment was done where they punctured the battery of an EV and put the car in a hole in the ground and filled it with dirt and water... this method would put out most fires but the ev continued to burn for several hours.
What needs to be investigated more is the possibility of crash fire. In many cases, traditional cars catch fire in the front, where you can notice quickly and get out, but EVs burn from below in a ferocious manner. You may not even realize that you have to get out ASAP. There had been numerous cases where the driver was burnt alive, which rarely happens with traditional vehicles.
@@kennsdlyalcima7848 one guy did burn alive but he had aftermarket unbreakable windows so the firefighters/whoever was trying to break his windows to get him out of the wreck he caused(drunk i think? memory so forgive mistakes) were unable to break the windows to rescue him. If he had stock windows they'd have been able to save him.
Combine this with many of these new EVs (and frankly new cars in general) coming with fancy electric door handles with weirdly hidden manual emergency releases _cough_ Tesla…
@@kennsdlyalcima7848 excuse me? gradual build up??? if you search ''Tesla parking garage fire'' on youtube you'll see in the first or second video that the Tesla literally burst into flames in the blink of an eye. Apart from some minor smoke, there was absolutely no warning before the whole thing turned into a gigantic blow torch. Imagine driving normally on the road with your kids strapped in, your baby locked in his special seat in the back. And your Tesla burst into flames in under 5 seconds when ur going 80 km/h, do you think you'll have time to realise it's happening, stop the car, get out, and unlocking your children from their seats when the car is already shooting flames? think not.
@@dennis_nl7587 yea gradual build up 🤣😂 you yourself just said aside from from smoke it was spontaneous… these packs are made of thousands of cells they don’t all go thermal together.. these issues typically start with 1 single or maybe hand full.. and has a dominoes effect.. your watching videos people put up when things have already gone haywire… And if your driving Tesla battery packs are equipped with temperature emergency warning/shutdown … if it’s about to happen while your driving you will know and have plenty of time because the safety system that observes temperature activates well below the thermal runaway temperature of the battery cells… theres like 100 temperature sensors throughout a Tesla battery pack.. these cell don’t go from working to spontaneously catching fire… they catch fire from getting to hot..before you would even see the smoke your taking about the car safety system would be been triggered
I love how everyone who is an EV fan is losing their mind with this story. The story talks about the fire being different then fuel such as hotter, toxic, can restart again after. Can catch while charging etc. Never has this article stated less safe or more dangerous but different technology. That's it get your head straight. Nothing is wrong with this story at all. Doesn't bash EV's or ICE just talking about the differences and challenges. That's it.
@@daniebello It's to get people to watch it. If it bleeds it leads. The story itself is fine it is people taking out of it what they want but not what actually is said. You yourself had a preconceived notion because you called the CNBS and didn't like the title. If you are an educated person you get all the facts vs just being a headline chaser. Story brought out true facts and true concerns regarding EV's and as a consumer of EV's you should want these issues addressed both for your safety and the success of EV's. You fight everything instead of fixing issues then you will never have anyone on your side other then the extremists.
@@hangender Your bent. Love the new ID Buzz. Love the new Hummer. Just don't have my head in the sand and know there are issues to address. Your just blindly following no matter what the problems are. That is why people push back instead of embracing them because if extremist freaks.
I think you are correct. I am an EV fan and I believe fires are a risk to their adoption. The thing that people are probably worried about is that people will think EV fires are common and it is important that people realize that EV fires are much rarer than gasoline fires.
Lithium battery's are a huge problem. They have a problem called thermal runaway. I had 2 spontaneous combust in my warehouse and they were not being charged and were not fully charged. They have been keeping it quiet. The batteries also have had cell phones, laptops, tablets and RV's. Airliners have crashed from fires in flight.
I don’t know how someone would sleep at night having one of these cars in their garage, let alone plugged overnight. You can literally burn down your house to ashes. Even crazy to hear firefighters can’t even get to the batteries to put out the fire.
As a firefighter for 7 years how can you sleep at night in your own home with electricity running through a 24/7 and most likely gas pipes. Also petrol vehicles are a lot more dangerous then EV'S. What I'm saying is it's the media doing what media does best.
An all electric future looks more deadly than it initially didn't. Imagine a large lot full of these cars. What would that do to the environment if one caught fire and eventually the whole lot? Would it even be able to be contained and once its over, would there even be any ground left beneath the vehicles?
Another big environmental impact of electrification is the scale of "clean energy" sprawl that's still dependent on fossil fuels. I can't feel green while driving through industrial landscapes full of wind turbines and solar lakes. They are dealing a major aesthetic blow to mountaintops and rural ambience.
@@falseprogress We are already at a risk of rolling blackouts. They are insane. Even though the gas engines are less efficient, the US uses 369 million gallons a day. At 46MJ per kilo (a gallon of gas is like 3 kilos or 6 pounds), that's A LOT of energy to replace and get from somewhere else.
It's not a mystery. Anytime you store energy in quantity, the potential exists for that energy to be catastrophically released. One huge disadvantage of LiO batteries over gasoline is that a LiO battery fire contains oxidizers, and is therefore extraordinarily persistent and difficult to extinguish compared to a petroleum fuel fire.
Interesting! Never seen CNBC discussed fire problem in ICE cars! Which is much more serious than Tesla! Of course it is understandable as everyone knows from where major advertising revenue comes from!
@@MrJimheeren nope, ICE cars can catch fire from any number of reasons, last month i saw a car burn because its radiator was blocked by snow. Nearly all tesla fires are caused by collisions, on some rare occasions the wires in the house are too thin to supply constant power and catch fire.
@@odisy64 at least ice car fires are easy to put out, and yes i know they happen more but many times they are mild and are resolved with a fire extinguisher, my dad had a truck whose starter motor turned on and he was able to put out the fire quick and easy and two days later It was running again, but imagine an electric car on fire inside a garage and having to wait for the firefighters to come with more than 20,000 gallons of water, that's what nobody compares to cars ICE and the EV
@@dawrincueto6962 according to firefighter reports, it only takes about 2 minuets to put out an EV fire but they will continue to douse the battery to prevent heat from re igniting the battery but this is often exaggerated by the media that makes it sound like 20,000 gallons where needed to put out the flames, this happens with engine blocks as well, people will use a fire extinguisher on a hot engine block that just got shove into fuel lines only to have the heat re-ignite the fuel as soon as oxygen was present.
@@odisy64 what firefighter report? It does take an average of 20K gallons of water. Very important in drought times for California. The place that has brown outs and power shortages. Garages have a one our firewall and ICE engine can be extinguished in that time. EV will loose the house unless the car can be pulled out.
I have a 6 cylinder hyundai. Those are not on the recall list. It applies to the 4 cylinder ones. 6 cylinder engine also gets way better mileage. Doesn't rev as high.
correct, what you're seeing playing out is the Law created by Nature/God/The Universe (pick whichever form of "causation" you like) referred to as "No Free Lunch". #NOFREELUNCH this is also sometimes referred to as the Law of "Unintended Consequences". #UNINTENDEDCONSEQUENCES they're both the same. unfortunately very few people working outside the STEM fields are aware of this. hell, a great many people working INSIDE the STEM fields are aware of this.
ICE vehicles do have fires, EV's are not alone on this. However, I am an old man, and in my entire life I have never heard of nor witnessed someone coming home from work, parking the car in the garage, and one, two, or three hours later, it just burst into flames. The issue with EV's is that they just self ignite, and cannot be put out. The batteries in EV's during thermal runaway produce their own oxygen. So starving the flames with water, has zero effect. They are using 6,000-8,000 gallons on EV fires. A lot of fire departments now have been instructed to let them burn, and try to prevent it from spreading.
The issue is that EV cars can catch fire while NOT being driven. 06:31 I don't know of any ICE vehicle catching fire while being parked unless the ignition was from an outside source. Electric vehicles can virtually spontaneously combust while recharging and lithium burns at a much higher temperature than gasoline. The fire chief in this video said it took 2 hours to put out one EV fire. Imagine a large parking lot filled with EV's not to mention the danger of re-charging at home overnight while everyone is asleep. Lithium batteries have a checkered history of spontaneous combustion. These batteries need to be made safer.
You better hope you are not in it when it catches fire because your doors won't unlock and you will be trapped unless you are strong enough to kick the window out.😶
1 - Kia and Hyundai vehicles have several recalls due to engine failures and fire risks (somewhat related). Some of the reported instances of fires have been while the vehicles were parked. My wife's Mercedes ML320 caught fire in the parking lot in front of her job. In the case of my wife's SUV, I believe the issue started while she was driving to work and it smoldered for a few minutes before bursting into flames. 2 - All Tesla vehicles and other luxury vehicles with electric door popper mechanisms (from the factory) also have a manual, mechanical emergency release easily accessible by the person sitting inside the vehicle. Also, the electric door poppers are typically powered by the vehicles' conventional 12v battery, not the high-voltage traction battery (often in the neighborhood of 400v). Regardless of whether you drive a gasoline, diesel, LPG/LNG, hydrogen, or battery electric vehicle, it isn't a bad idea to have a vehicle entrapment escape tool mounted within easy reach of the driver. These tools typically have a recessed blade to cut seatbelts and a sharp point (sometimes spring-loaded) to break glass. I got one for my wife that's a 2-in-1 cellphone charger and glass-break tool.
Well, an ICE car can catch on fire while parked if flammable power steering or brake fluid touches hot exhaust components. It happened to a friend of mine. Thankfully the car was parked on the driveway.
@w t ev batteries are also very powerful fuel and highly toxic. It takes hours to put out the fire and can reflash. It is way more dangerous than gasoline and gas is already dangerous.
@@zlonewolf 25,000 gasoline car fires vs 1 EV car fire. Hmm, I feel much safer with EV any day. CNBC is trashing the EV because of the legacy auto advertising revenue and Big oil.
Why is our government so intent on putting us all into electric vehicles instead of gasoline or diesel powered vehicles? This tech is neither tried or true. Hypothetically, could a signal be sent via smart meters to short out the battery and start an electrical fire during charging of your ev? What happens when your EV catches fire inside your garage or a parking structure? It may be too hot to stop before engulfing your entire home or the homes of others, are you personally liable for damage or is it covered by auto insurance? What happens if you don't have access to home charging equipment? What happens If the government wanted you to comply with the new tyranny rules or move to one of their 15 minute cities, could they just flip a switch and eliminate your ability to charge your vehicle? It will be worse by volumes with digital money. In California, they suffer from brown outs, black outs for a major portion of the summer as the power grid is taxed to capacity. When it is windy, the grid is automatically shut down. The state government asks people last year not to charge vehicles during these times. How does this affect your ability to use your transportation? Is it dangerous for the power company linemen to work on power lines when electric vehicles are plugged into the grid?
Now they are putting the factories to build these batteries in Michigan- we don't want them!! The government is corrupt!! Look up Gotion Ev Battery Plant
I’ll note that the information I’ve found indicates that the Bolt and Kona fires seemed to be caused by an unfortunate cell feature where the anode had a bent sharp edge placed too close to the separator. Dendrites can eventually form off the edge and pierce the separator causing a short. The defect appears to be due to a poorly-chosen production shortcut where the serpentine folding was cut in the middle of a fold rather than on a flat region. As such the fires are not entirely random but due to a stupid mistake.
@@jimmygrant424 Lithium Ion batteries have Anodes and Cathodes. It makes perfect sense for those that actually understand how Lithium Ion batteries work.
Ice car catch on fire more yea, but when he do its safer, less heat, doesn't spread as quick plus there are more ice on the road so there are always more ice fires
@@mikaila31True. Yup, they are still considered a niche (but growing) market - only about 3% of car sales worldwide... when they do catch on fire, it's gonna be big news. That stat in the beginning of the video saying there were 173,000 cars fires in the US alone. I doubt EV's accounted for even .5% of them. But when you are a new tech (yeah, EV's aren't exactly new, but they are an extremely small bit of the car sale market) that being pushed to be both profitable and economically viable and sustainable and safe.... not all press is good press. Every incident undermines the EV industry.
@@TheV8nissan ICE still can catch on fire while parked. Either leaking fluid on something hot or electrical shorts have historically caused that issue.
you start by putting out the fire, with foam for example, but the next step is to cool down the battery to prevent it to reignite. And that cooling down works best with water.
Fuel isn’t flammable in liquid form. It’s only the vapour that is flammable. Batteries on the other hand do not like to be crushed, they react violently to that. What could go wrong putting massive batteries on the underside of cars moving at 60mph. Battery fires take a lot more water to put out and repeatedly reignite after being put out. Call this revenge of the Ford Pinto.
The accidents about EV fires have to be reported. GM and Hyundai have massive recalls of their EV's from EV fires to the tunes of $Billions, and GM hardly sell any EV since the last year. These are important matters. Please open your eyes and see the truth.
🔥Ok.. But: ..study conducted by AutoInsuranceEZ using data from the NTSB (National Transportation Safety Board) showed that electric cars in the US caught fire at a rate of 25.1 per 100,000 sales compared to 1,530 for ICE vehicles ? --> 1,530 vs 25.1 electric cars 🤯 EV fires, were mostly Chevy Bolts, but GM is fixing that
My Jeep WJ has this neat feature that when someone rear ends you it bursts into flames. There is a recall for this and the "fix" was to add a tow hitch receiver.
They jumped the gun. Until the battery technology is safe and NOT a huge fire risk, these vehicles are not ready for prime time. Consumers are catching on and EV sales are stalling. Current models of EV's have catastrophic rates of depreciation and owners of EV's will not get much for their used EV's, particularly now that the risk of them being a ticking time bomb while charging in someone's garage or the underground parking garage of a condo building is becoming clear.
EVs are not actually as prone to fire as internal combustion engine vehicles. The media just tries to mislead you by making any EV fires national news. It’s not as big of a problem as this video makes you think.
Researches have demonstrated that growing "dendrites" inside a battery cell can short-circuit or otherwise damage the cell. During charging dendrites are growing from every lithium suface to the counter electrode - this is a behaviour which can't be prevented in any way.
Why not ban cars entirely and make city's more sustainable and profitable by making them more dense and walkable it will reduce obesity and and other health issues and also battery cars are not good either they use tires and building them requires rare earth metals which causes pollution battery cars explode mixed housing is better
It cannot be solved in that particular battery chemistry and form factor. It does not mean it is not a problem that new technology is capable of resolving. IE BYD's LFP Blade batteries cannot catch fire at all. Even if you drive a spike through them. And they are cranking out a million+ of those cars in China now and will be exporting them to all major markets in the next two years.
Except of course, your claim that this "can't be prevented in any way" is categorically false. There are multiple ways this can be addressed: " A team at the University of Michigan designed a barrier that suppresses dendrite growth not just by physically blocking them, but also by altering the conditions around dendrite tips where growth is concentrated. The material is a soft polymer film that is polarized and piezoelectric-meaning it generates a voltage when the film is deformed. The film sits on top of the battery’s anode. And when a lithium dendrite presses on the film, the voltage repels more lithium ions from piling up at that spot. This prevents the lithium from forming sharp tips that can penetrate the barrier. " "At the Toyota Research Institute of North America, researchers recently demonstrated a battery with a lithium metal anode, solid lithium thiophosphate electrolyte, and sulfur cathode. Sulfur is another high-storage-capacity electrode material and-bonus-it’s cheap. As for the battery’s ability to resist dendrites, the Toyota researchers noted a relationship between dendrite growth and the electrolyte’s ability to conduct ions." "For example, as a battery charges, lithium ions can deposit irregularly on the anode, forming spiky structures called dendrites that can grow long enough to reach the other electrode and short-circuit the battery, potentially causing a fire. This is a bigger problem for lithium metal than for other anode materials like graphite." You DO know that most Lithium Ion batteries in cars have Graphite Anode's right?
Battery fires in ev's are very difficult to stop due to the chemical nature of the event. No commercial or domestic building fire codes, that I know of, address this new risk. Imagine a older style central city multi storey car park having an ev fire event. Imagine a similar event in an underground car park in a multistorey apartment block or commercial shopping mall. These fires are low risk, high consequence events. We must design to minimise the risk but above all we must immediately assess existing structures to minimise the consequences when an ev fire occurs.
and really (while i DO like it's simplicity) the water tank is unfortunately NOT a practical/viable solution in the context of PREVENTION. no, what it is a "half thought out" solution that only occurs AFTER THE FACT. yeah, "after" like 18 cars and 10 houses have burned to the ground. off the devastating "Blowtorch" Wildfire that occured back on 12-30-2021, i think you're going to find ALL the residents of Superior Colorado are going to have strong opinions on this. #PREVENTION
I have been safety testing lithium ion cells for the last two years (18650 and 21700). I would have a hard time sitting on top of a battery pack with 1000-2000 cells. It’s a lot of energy packed in there….
Water is not the best fire extinguisher for lithium batteries. Lithium reacts intensely with water, forming lithium hydroxide and highly flammable hydrogen. Car manufacturers are racing to develop the next models while not being forced by regulators to encapsulate proper fire neutralizers into the battery's pack. It should be mandatory that lithium battery manufacturers wrap their batteries with chemicals to neutralize the chemical reaction such as powder graphite or sodium carbonate.
The insurance guy said "The data that we've looked at so far doesn't indicate that there is an outsized risk of non-crash fire" That for what I can understand it means "doesn't occur very often" or i guess it is not increasing and getting out of hand... This article is really close to scaremongering Chrysler recalled 8 million cars ice in 2018 GM 9 millions in 2014, it still happen on ice car...
The issue is those cars were faulty and recalled. These are issues with EVs functioning as they should until a minor crash with a barrier, etc. EV market share is minimal, yet they are over represented with fires recently - obviously from a numbers perspective there are so many ICE vehicles out there that they make up most fires. We only can fairly tell when EVs are as popular as ICE cars but that is when it’s too late. I love the idea of EVs but this worries me - looking forward to blade battery tech.
@@User-cb4jm the risk of fire is estimated to be around 10 and 60 times lower, I remember you that there are out there at least 2 million Tesla and another 2 million other cars, so the number compared are still low but statistically significant, so if statistics are off and they are an order of magnitude higher EV goes on par or it will be 6 times better than ICE. I give you a personal anecdote, I had a second hand car, a petrol one, I drove really slow on a wet side road, the wheel slipped and the car went down the ditch, I pulled it out and everything seemed ok not even a scratch, two days later I realized that the radiator was damaged, by the car steaming everywhere while I was driving, just a small nick and I throw out a petrol car, so bad days happen for everyone!
Why not ban cars entirely and make city's more sustainable and profitable by making them more dense and walkable it will reduce obesity and and other health issues and also battery cars are not good either they use tires and building them requires rare earth metals which causes pollution battery cars explode mixed housing is better
and most of these events considered EV fires and not the only time they will burn, these are just ones innocently parked on roads or in garages of houses and high rises. Gasoline car fires are mostly from the accidents that manage to rupture the gas tank. They are really trying to make people think that EV fires are rare, they are not.
One problem not mentioned is the one shown graphically in the video image of the electric bus which caught fire in a normal, busy, street in the middle of Paris (France). It was empty and out of service at the time which was fortunate so no deaths but it was literally raining molten metal around the bus. If you were trying to escape you would either perish or be very badly burned from the flames or from the molten metals - and no way to protect yourself from it as you fled. And the smoke which was filling the atmosphere was a rather attractive - but obviously very destructive to human lungs and the environment in general - green.
Yawn. Are you people literally INCAPABLE of doing actual research? "On April 29, a fire broke out on a Bluebus 5SE electric bus on line 71 in the 13th arrondissement of Paris, close to the French capital's national library. The driver immediately evacuated the passengers and no injuries were reported." Yet again proving, that even with a bus full of passengers catching fire, the driver evacuated the bus safely and there were NO injuries, completely destroying your drama theory.
@@redbaron6805 Must be a different bus. The news video for the fire that I watched involved a bus that was very definitely NOT IN SERVICE and had this (in French naturally) written up on the sign thingy above the front windscreen. It was also empty and the engine switched off. The first sign something was wrong was when the lights - all the lights - flashed on and off a couple of times and then there were flames and smoke everywhere shorted joined by raining molten metal. The report did mention that it wasn't the first fire involving a bus in Paris and it also briefly mentioned a couple of fires in other countries as well including the UK.
We had a converted EV cement mixer self ignite In Melbourne last week. It had just come off a large bridge. Had it ignited on the bridge I wonder what the damage might have been to the bridge structure, not to mention cars driving behind it? The spectre of this occurring in a tunnel or underground carpark is truly terrifying.The really scary part is that none of the news services reported it! I wonder why that is?
A fire extinguisher is of absolutely no use in the case of a lithium battery fire but there is a good chance of putting out a fire with a fire extinguisher on a conventional powered vehicle but absolutely no chance in putting out a fire in a lithium battery with ANYTHING!
"Every single vehicle is different, even within a manufacturer" does this mean future regulation might include some kind of standardisation to designs?
@clot shots well I assumed some regulatory body would set some kind of standards so that there is commonality if not within manufacturers then across the segment( not the government getting ok the drawing board and saying which exact shapes parts should be but that maybe they should at least have some kind of specified dimensions so that for example a tesla charger can be plugged into a rivian or something like that). But by the looks of things I'm a little ignorant here, no I have not heard of the yugo, will take your advice...
Electric vehicles are such a new thing that manufacturers are sharing all of their information and designs with each other, where they used to be extremely protective of those sorts of things. It's extremely strange, and I see it as a huge red flag.
Toyota uses Nimh batteries with such a low energy density that they are basically unusable for a full electric vehicle. For their lithium batteries, which are COMPLETELY different than a nimh battery, they are using the same lithium technology as everyone else (and they aren’t building it themselves)
(Just reacting to your video title) What utter tripe. I'd far rather be in a serious crash in an EV where any fire due to the battery pack being damaged takes at least seconds (more likely minutes) to develop rather than be instantly engulfed in a fireball when the petrol tank of the ICEV ruptures and its contents ignite.
Whether EV's catch fire less often may or may not matter. It's the nature of the fire and whether the occupants can get out alive or unscathed. And electric cars will be of little use to people when the electrical grid goes down, state-wide, province-wide or city-wide. It doesn't matter. Even if just an entire section a city loses power, thousands of people are screwed. This is even worse than when we lost Internet service across Canada. You can just hook up to another utility like you can piggyback off of Bell's Internet from a friend's house or hotspot. Once we've put our eggs in one basket, fire get more catastrophic, electrical outages are no wide -spread and negatively affect people in a worse way than independent fueled vehicles. Armageddon is just around the corner.
@@Brian-om2hh Perhaps, but it's relatively easy for people to store gasoline in containers and get a few extra miles from that. You can also siphon gas from one tank to another. Considering how large some gas tank are, moving a full tank of gas from a large SUV or truck can get a small car to go quite a few miles. When an electric car goes dead and the electrical system is down for days, you're totally pooched and without alternatives.
Electric cars burn less. The biggest garage fires has been diesel or gasoline cars. But yes, when an electric car burns, it's so rear, that it's a news story.
They didn't mention one other important issue , electric vehicles have a voltage of 440 volts , how does a firefighter deal with that , especially in an accident when a person is trapped , how do they avoid getting electrocuted ? I don't understand why the idea of hydrogen fuel cells was dropped , obviously it can't be because it burns , and it can't be because of pollution because when hydrogen burns it's exhaust is oxygen and water , it's no more explosive than gasoline . So hydrogen burns like gasoline and it's byproduct is pure oxygen and pure water , both things that our planet could use more of . I've also read just how dirty mining for the materials to make those lithium ion batteries is , it creates more pollution than would be created if the same vehicle was gasoline powered , that doesn't even count the pollution created by making the electricity to charge the batteries ! I guess going green isn't so green after all !
Anyway... Gas cars catch fire astronomically more than EVs so.... NEXT EDIT: okay, in defense of the video they're specifically talking about energy density WHEN EVs catch fire vs combustion cars
Whatever battery chemistry they use it always will be more difficult to put out when they catch fire compared to a gasoline car. Gasoline needs oxygen to release the energy. Cut out the oxygen by water or foam and the fire is put out. Batteries have all they need to release the energy in them so in case of a fire you just have to cool down their surrounding and wait until all energy is released.
5:45 European cities now dump entire burning electric cars into a dumpster full of water to put out the fire. 👍 Okay, but... 6:56 Tesla's safety instructions for first responders includes a warning box that clearly states: "DO NOT SUBMERGE VEHICLE TO EXTINGUISH/COOL BATTERY FIRE". Can someone please explain this conflict to me? 😕
Thank you, we had decades of experience with lithium batteries in consumer electronics. It’s interesting to see a lot of the same challenges have carried over. If always assumed but not had the data to back it up.
Why not ban cars entirely and make city's more sustainable and profitable by making them more dense and walkable it will reduce obesity and and other health issues and also battery cars are not good either they use tires and building them requires rare earth metals which causes pollution battery cars explode mixed housing is better
That’s comparing apples and oranges. Lithium ion is a generic name. It’s like saying all cakes are the same. Or cake and bread are the same. Remember if it bleeds it leads. Out of the billions of cellphones, laptops and anything else will a lithium ion battery how many fires were there?
@@jtonline99 It clearly isn't the same as there isn't a single type of Lithium Ion batteries. Lithium Ion is an umbrella term of the battery technology, kind of like jets. There are different types, sizes and functions for jets. They are not all the same. Same applies to Lithium Ion. NCA batteries are different from NMC batteries, you have cylinder type and pouch type cells, 800V and 400V batteries, Lithium Polymer, Lithium Air, Sodium, Solid State, Lithium Iron, etc. etc. Certain types catch fire when punctured, others do not. It depends on chemistry, cell type, energy density, packaging, etc. etc. So, no. The science is not "clearly the same". There are substantial differences between current cell types and chemistry.
@@redbaron6805 I don't think you've demonstrated a substantial difference in the fundamental science of Lithium-Ion technology, rather rattled off a list of materials, packaging methods, voltage applications etc... that have occurred as the technology has advanced and manufactures adapt the batteries to their particular application. Fundamentally they all have a flammable electrolyte and are a risk for overheating, thermal runaway, explosions, etc... And this isn't old news. There are plenty of examples of recalls from tech (Apple and Samsung), through to Aviation (Boeing) through to the automotive industry for these type of challenges, and they all use types of batteries across this Lithium-Ion spectrum you mention....
Electric cars are good now they have improved massively this programme is 2 3 years ago We need well made cars Electric is the future some places faster n more needed than others
In Europe , even houses caught fire when electric bycicles caught fire in the garage when reloading and people were not at home, the house was completely destroyed ... EV will be banned from underground parking lots if it turns out that these vehicles are very dangerous to catch fire and are almost not to be extinguished ... unless put into a water container for a day or more ...
As an automotive engineer, I stick to the facts: 0.08% of normal cars catch fire, 0.01% of electric cars catch fire. In Germany official figures shows that in average there are 40 ICE cars that catch fire every day, nobody is speaking about that, because this seems normal. The evidence has come out of the ship that caught fire in the Netherlands. The 500 EVs came off the ship undamaged and the cause has now been determined: an ordinary ICE vehicle. A new campaign is being conducted against EVs, now a new means to empty the state coffers has been found, namely synthetic fuels. Asking price 2630 Euro / liter or 9985 Dollar / US gallon). People will pay a slightly higher price than normal at the pump, the rest will be made up (stolen) by the state to supposedly save the climate and never before have the petroleum companies earned so much money with which they can pay corrupt politicians and media to promote this . That is the truth.
yes. once a gas tank is punctured all the gas will spill out. You put some water on that until you do't see any flames anymore, after that you can scrap it. If an EV starts burning you basically have to put it out so you can transport somewhere where can burn down completly and safely only then is it possible to scrap it. Lithium itself burns very easily in contact with air or water.
Rushed technology…. Not enough testing and what long term effects of the …battery fires and the highly toxic byproducts of the plastics. Polymers and fiberglass…. Not to mention health issues….
The only BMW I3 cars that have burned ironically are those equipped with an optional gasoline motor-generator unit called a range extender. The cause has been the fuel line in most cases, though one burned when the dipstick wasn't properly reinserted.
This video is not intended to make EVs look bad. It is just showing the current issues with electric vehicles that need to be overcome in the future. EDIT: The original statement below is just satire, there are no facts in this original statement below. The reason is why news outlets are making ev fires national news, while normal car fires are not even making local news in some cases.
@martin stone Off topic, everyone has their own differences and stereotypes are not facts. You used the stereotype that Asians are smart but that is not necessarily true. Not very bright Martin.......
@@FowlorTheRooster1990 You are right and I already knew some things that you described, I was just angry at that other person for insulting me. At least you were much nicer to me unlike the other person.
They are playing the fire problem down. They must be being paid by the motor company. They are dangerous, and I would not trust putting my family in one of these death traps. With electric coach fires is especially dangerous, it is unlikely that all the occupants would escape before they are turned into a black block of carbon.
Can’t they build in a automatic fire suppression system in those battery boxes, such that if temperatures reach limit, that automatically inject some fire repellent in to the box ?
Perhaps it is possible to make an internal fire suppression system. The main problem is that a lithium fire produces it's own oxidizer meaning it doesn't need outside air in order to burn. The batteries are on a sealed metal box which makes getting water or foam directly on the batteries nearly impossible.
Not really. The problem with lithium fires is that they’re self-oxidizing. Once they ignite they go into thermal runaway. It doesn’t matter what the source of the fire is. They’ll keep burning as long as there’s lithium.
EVs are not undeniably or inevitably "the future". The future includes less personal mobility and a reversion to smaller, lighter vehicles. It is the total carbon footprint, from "cradle to grave" that will determine which technology shall win in the future.
Unintended consequences. Imagine in a parking lot at the Super Bowl in 2040 when all vehicles are electric. The whole parking lot could quite conceivably go up in flames if one fire started a chain reaction. There wouldn't be enough Uber cars to get everyone home. Imagine the stampeed of people trying to move their car before it caught on fire. What a traffic jam that would be. Now think of all the large parking lots in the world. Airports, zoos, amusement parks, shopping malls.
The most common cause of EV fires is thermal runaway, which is a rapid, uncontrolled increase in temperature leading to catastrophic battery failure or explosions. The temperature of an electric vehicle fire can reach 5,000 degrees Fahrenheit, compared to 1,500 degrees in a gas-powered car fire.
Many fire departments are NOT training their people adequately for the dangers of Lithium-ion battery equipped dangers...as the fire chief stated: "It changes daily"
I think electric vehicles should be required to have mechanical manual windows and doors to prevent people from getting trapped inside in the event of a fire. There is a recent story in the news of a man having to kick out the car windshield to escape a fire when the cars electric windows and doors failed to work during a fire. The new Tesla Cyber truck has glass that's near impossible to break in an emergency and should have a way for people to escape.
Respect to firefighters. They may not know exactly what they're dealing with before they go to a fire, but they go anyway. Of the 218 that died in the 2020 Beirut explosion, 10 were firefighters that arrived at the warehouse that improperly stored 552 metric tonnes of ammonium nitrate, the same chemcial used in the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995.
Yeah, that is why you check on what type of warehouse. Ammonium nitrate is the main ingredient in fertilizer and highly combustible.
Some say a foreign govt is responsible for setting off that inferno in Beirut. The same outfit that attacked the USS Liberty years ago and continues to attack its neighbors daily.
That thing was like a 4KT nuke equivalent. Most shocking explosion I ever saw.
One would have thought the 1947 Texas City explosion would have made ammonium nitrate handling and safety protocols of the utmost importance. Apparently not.
The humankind are pathetic! Rolled up steel or metal sheet, push and force the sheet under the burning car, or has some light forklifting while push the flat metallic sheet under the car. Then rolled out barrier of inflatable walls around the car but not too near it to get burnt, the walls only need to be tall enough to fill up waters to drown the car or submerged it, the base of these walls are either suction cup to the metallic sheet, to prevent leaking of water, spray fast drying concrete foams at the base and corner on the wall. Keep firehosing into the the swimming pool with the burning car inside. This method saves water and drown the burning car. I am baby chatting with you, because you are not worth it! Don’t ask me about other misc small details as how to deliver and prepaid materials to built the immediate swimming pool!
After a hurricane in Florida, several Teslas caught fire due to corrosion caused by salt water. This would implicate northern climates where salt is used in road ice management.
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Wow
Which hurricane
@@rusty358 history does not support your claim..
As a Rural volunteer fire department. We are working on our own tactics. It is plain to see no one cares about how we are to fight these things. The attention on just getting them on the road is most important.
Wow. Thank you for your service
when you figure everything into the picture of EV's. it seems silly when the benefit for straight EV isnt really there.
Strike. Let them reflect on the 3rd degree burns.
Stop the global warming scam and outlaw lithium ion batteries.
I don't Like Electric Car's And You Do A Great Job Fighting Fires
A lot of combustion engine vehicles catch fire each year. There is no denying it. My problem with Electric Vehicles is that there is very little chance to get out without at the very least burns. Imagine having a child in a car seat and your battery bursting into flames. It isn't just a small fire that grows. It is quite literally an instant inferno full of toxic fumes. If electric vehicles are the future then someone had better get a hold on this problem however infrequent it may be.
more kia and hyundai cars and suv have caught fire than all of the EVs combined. FACTS. go watch the videos here on youtube. thousands of people barely made it out of the cars before they went up in flames completely
If this problem isn't addressed, I will not only refuse to buy an EV, I will refuse to enter an EV taxi or have anything to do with EVs.
It goes up in flames 🔥 in Seconds NOT Minutes... plus all the Acid Splatters everywhere....
@@toromontana8290 Goggle, Electric vehicles and busses going up in flames 🔥 you would be surprised, and don't park them in your garage or close to the house...
@@dottiea.2186 what acid??? there is no acid in a lithium battery. still feel smart?
If I remember correctly, the airlines have a prohibited transporting Li batteries in passenger aircraft due to fire possibilities.
GM’s response to house fires caused by their batteries catching fire was (wait for it. . . . ) charge you car outside, not in the garage. Brilliant 😵💫
You don’t remember correctly. Were you allowed to bring your phone with you? How about your laptop?
You’re not allowed to put lithium-ion batteries in the cargo area of an airplane. But then again you’re not allowed to put bottles of gasoline there either.
Wait for it, to automotive companies have recommended you not park your gasoline car in your garage because of spontaneous fires. Check on current recalls.
@@neilkurzman4907 LOL. Since when people are not allowed to park their gasoline or diesel cars in the garage because of fire risk. You’re just making things up. It’s a garage! It’s purpose is to store cars.
Outside... In the burning sun... Damn they are truly geniuses... I pray for the families. I don't like EVs at all
Remember Boeing's airliner fire? Chin-ese Lithium batteries were to blame.
Yes that seems inconvenient but to be fair do you think it would be wise to be storing and pouring 20 gallons of gasoline in your garage. GM did have a problem with the Bolt but I think they have resolved it. Tesla has had very little problems with fire and the vast majority of there cars have been safely charged in garages for a long time. There have been. CHICAGO (CBS) -- Millions of Kia and Hyundai vehicles were recalled Wednesday over concerns they could catch on fire while parked or while being driven.
Hyundai warned drivers to park their cars outside until they can get the necessary repairs. This problem as you can plainly see from the above press release is not necessary unique to every cars. Hyundai and Kia recall 3.4 million cars for this problem in 2009 -2010 model years. Their advice, park the car outside. Ironically ain’t it.
Another concerning aspect is the ageing of these vehicles. Rust / corrosion is a major problem here in the UK and is only made worse from the salting of the roads during the Winter months. The batteries are underside so we can only expect rust eventually getting into the battery casings and potentially causing corrosion of these Lithium packs in say for example 10+ years time.
Norway has 80 % ev adoption.. surely they know what they are doing
@@irusev Imho, they have not a clue. Insanity rules over common sense.
@@denisek292 well, they sure seem pretty happy to me
This whole video is full of factual omissions, firstly alot of batteries can't be put out with water, once the battery catches fire the chemicals in the battery produce more oxigen which fuels the fire. An experiment was done where they punctured the battery of an EV and put the car in a hole in the ground and filled it with dirt and water... this method would put out most fires but the ev continued to burn for several hours.
@@irusev still ''new'' will see in 10-15 years
People in the comments clearly just read the title and didn't watch the whole video 😂
I know right, it’s kind of annoying. I don’t get what they’re freaking out about
It's concerning
When they use a misleading title, it's called "click bait".
The title is part of the content.
I thought you were exaggerating, but more than half really didn't watch until the end. Such brigading mentality...
What needs to be investigated more is the possibility of crash fire. In many cases, traditional cars catch fire in the front, where you can notice quickly and get out, but EVs burn from below in a ferocious manner. You may not even realize that you have to get out ASAP. There had been numerous cases where the driver was burnt alive, which rarely happens with traditional vehicles.
Electric vehicle fires are gradual build up.. this burned alive without realizing it is so far fetched ….
@@kennsdlyalcima7848 one guy did burn alive but he had aftermarket unbreakable windows so the firefighters/whoever was trying to break his windows to get him out of the wreck he caused(drunk i think? memory so forgive mistakes) were unable to break the windows to rescue him. If he had stock windows they'd have been able to save him.
Combine this with many of these new EVs (and frankly new cars in general) coming with fancy electric door handles with weirdly hidden manual emergency releases _cough_ Tesla…
@@kennsdlyalcima7848 excuse me? gradual build up??? if you search ''Tesla parking garage fire'' on youtube you'll see in the first or second video that the Tesla literally burst into flames in the blink of an eye. Apart from some minor smoke, there was absolutely no warning before the whole thing turned into a gigantic blow torch. Imagine driving normally on the road with your kids strapped in, your baby locked in his special seat in the back. And your Tesla burst into flames in under 5 seconds when ur going 80 km/h, do you think you'll have time to realise it's happening, stop the car, get out, and unlocking your children from their seats when the car is already shooting flames? think not.
@@dennis_nl7587 yea gradual build up 🤣😂 you yourself just said aside from from smoke it was spontaneous… these packs are made of thousands of cells they don’t all go thermal together.. these issues typically start with 1 single or maybe hand full.. and has a dominoes effect.. your watching videos people put up when things have already gone haywire… And if your driving Tesla battery packs are equipped with temperature emergency warning/shutdown … if it’s about to happen while your driving you will know and have plenty of time because the safety system that observes temperature activates well below the thermal runaway temperature of the battery cells… theres like 100 temperature sensors throughout a Tesla battery pack.. these cell don’t go from working to spontaneously catching fire… they catch fire from getting to hot..before you would even see the smoke your taking about the car safety system would be been triggered
I love how everyone who is an EV fan is losing their mind with this story. The story talks about the fire being different then fuel such as hotter, toxic, can restart again after. Can catch while charging etc. Never has this article stated less safe or more dangerous but different technology. That's it get your head straight. Nothing is wrong with this story at all. Doesn't bash EV's or ICE just talking about the differences and challenges. That's it.
people are gonna just read the title and run with it to fuel anti EV bs, CNBS needs to be more responsible with their choice of words
@@daniebello It's to get people to watch it. If it bleeds it leads. The story itself is fine it is people taking out of it what they want but not what actually is said. You yourself had a preconceived notion because you called the CNBS and didn't like the title. If you are an educated person you get all the facts vs just being a headline chaser. Story brought out true facts and true concerns regarding EV's and as a consumer of EV's you should want these issues addressed both for your safety and the success of EV's. You fight everything instead of fixing issues then you will never have anyone on your side other then the extremists.
so you are anti-EV. got it.
jk jk
@@hangender Your bent. Love the new ID Buzz. Love the new Hummer. Just don't have my head in the sand and know there are issues to address. Your just blindly following no matter what the problems are. That is why people push back instead of embracing them because if extremist freaks.
I think you are correct. I am an EV fan and I believe fires are a risk to their adoption. The thing that people are probably worried about is that people will think EV fires are common and it is important that people realize that EV fires are much rarer than gasoline fires.
Lithium battery's are a huge problem. They have a problem called thermal runaway. I had 2 spontaneous combust in my warehouse and they were not being charged and were not fully charged. They have been keeping it quiet. The batteries also have had cell phones, laptops, tablets and RV's. Airliners have crashed from fires in flight.
Its actually Thermal Meltdown ... they use the term runaway in an attempt to lessen the public fear.
I don’t know how someone would sleep at night having one of these cars in their garage, let alone plugged overnight. You can literally burn down your house to ashes. Even crazy to hear firefighters can’t even get to the batteries to put out the fire.
And it can spread to neighboring houses .. It is not good
Internal combustion engines catch fire spontaneously too, but nobody would read an article about that -- too boring.
As a firefighter for 7 years how can you sleep at night in your own home with electricity running through a 24/7 and most likely gas pipes. Also petrol vehicles are a lot more dangerous then EV'S. What I'm saying is it's the media doing what media does best.
Gas xplosions are much better .. 🎉
The same way you sleep with your laptop, phone even modems have lithium backups in them
An all electric future looks more deadly than it initially didn't. Imagine a large lot full of these cars. What would that do to the environment if one caught fire and eventually the whole lot? Would it even be able to be contained and once its over, would there even be any ground left beneath the vehicles?
They might burn a hole down to the center of the Earth and release b gates father from Hades itself.
There isn't going to be an all electric future, at least not anytime soon.
@Giuliano Matrix actually, he was dead serious.
Another big environmental impact of electrification is the scale of "clean energy" sprawl that's still dependent on fossil fuels. I can't feel green while driving through industrial landscapes full of wind turbines and solar lakes. They are dealing a major aesthetic blow to mountaintops and rural ambience.
@@falseprogress We are already at a risk of rolling blackouts. They are insane. Even though the gas engines are less efficient, the US uses 369 million gallons a day. At 46MJ per kilo (a gallon of gas is like 3 kilos or 6 pounds), that's A LOT of energy to replace and get from somewhere else.
Without oil, companies will struggle to even make the cars - oil doesn’t just represent the fuel, not by a long way.
Yes, it is not a sudden transition to electrify but you have to start somewhere.
It's not a mystery. Anytime you store energy in quantity, the potential exists for that energy to be catastrophically released. One huge disadvantage of LiO batteries over gasoline is that a LiO battery fire contains oxidizers, and is therefore extraordinarily persistent and difficult to extinguish compared to a petroleum fuel fire.
The other major differences are is that BEV fires are far less likely to occur than ICE fires and there is far more energy stores in a tank of gas.
Interesting! Never seen CNBC discussed fire problem in ICE cars! Which is much more serious than Tesla!
Of course it is understandable as everyone knows from where major advertising revenue comes from!
ICE cars tend to set flame after a crash. EVs have the nasty habit of flaming out while being charged. And that’s a big difference
@@MrJimheeren nope, ICE cars can catch fire from any number of reasons, last month i saw a car burn because its radiator was blocked by snow. Nearly all tesla fires are caused by collisions, on some rare occasions the wires in the house are too thin to supply constant power and catch fire.
@@odisy64 at least ice car fires are easy to put out, and yes i know they happen more but many times they are mild and are resolved with a fire extinguisher, my dad had a truck whose starter motor turned on and he was able to put out the fire quick and easy and two days later It was running again, but imagine an electric car on fire inside a garage and having to wait for the firefighters to come with more than 20,000 gallons of water, that's what nobody compares to cars ICE and the EV
@@dawrincueto6962 according to firefighter reports, it only takes about 2 minuets to put out an EV fire but they will continue to douse the battery to prevent heat from re igniting the battery but this is often exaggerated by the media that makes it sound like 20,000 gallons where needed to put out the flames, this happens with engine blocks as well, people will use a fire extinguisher on a hot engine block that just got shove into fuel lines only to have the heat re-ignite the fuel as soon as oxygen was present.
@@odisy64 what firefighter report? It does take an average of 20K gallons of water. Very important in drought times for California. The place that has brown outs and power shortages. Garages have a one our firewall and ICE engine can be extinguished in that time. EV will loose the house unless the car can be pulled out.
Kia’s and Hyundais love to catch fire, whether they’re ICE or EV 🤣🤣
Don't say Scotty Kilmer didn't warn you
@@thekenthouse6428 but he agrees
more kia and hyundai cars and suv have caught fire than all of the EVs combined. FACTS.
I have a 6 cylinder hyundai. Those are not on the recall list. It applies to the 4 cylinder ones. 6 cylinder engine also gets way better mileage. Doesn't rev as high.
@@TheCort1971 THe problem is that you can stop the ICE fire with a basic fire extinguisher, while EV car fire a trained fire brigade can't handle.
Modern solution always come with modern problem I guess.
correct, what you're seeing playing out is the Law created by Nature/God/The Universe (pick whichever form of "causation" you like) referred to as "No Free Lunch". #NOFREELUNCH this is also sometimes referred to as the Law of "Unintended Consequences". #UNINTENDEDCONSEQUENCES they're both the same. unfortunately very few people working outside the STEM fields are aware of this. hell, a great many people working INSIDE the STEM fields are aware of this.
ICE vehicles do have fires, EV's are not alone on this. However, I am an old man, and in my entire life I have never heard of nor witnessed someone coming home from work, parking the car in the garage, and one, two, or three hours later, it just burst into flames. The issue with EV's is that they just self ignite, and cannot be put out. The batteries in EV's during thermal runaway produce their own oxygen. So starving the flames with water, has zero effect. They are using 6,000-8,000 gallons on EV fires. A lot of fire departments now have been instructed to let them burn, and try to prevent it from spreading.
Don't lie old man!!! You don't know anything about computers and tech!...BTW what the hell is ICE?
@@ex8280ICE = internal combustion engine
@@DenofBarjack thanks
The issue is that EV cars can catch fire while NOT being driven. 06:31 I don't know of any ICE vehicle catching fire while being parked unless the ignition was from an outside source. Electric vehicles can virtually
spontaneously combust while recharging and lithium burns at a much higher temperature than gasoline. The fire chief in this video said it took 2 hours to put out one EV fire. Imagine a large parking lot filled with EV's not to mention the danger of re-charging at home overnight while everyone is asleep. Lithium batteries have a checkered history of spontaneous combustion. These batteries need to be made safer.
Under these circumstances, they're completely unsuitable for any home with a garage. I wouldn't park an EV in my garage.
You better hope you are not in it when it catches fire because your doors won't unlock and you will be trapped unless you are strong enough to kick the window out.😶
1 - Kia and Hyundai vehicles have several recalls due to engine failures and fire risks (somewhat related). Some of the reported instances of fires have been while the vehicles were parked. My wife's Mercedes ML320 caught fire in the parking lot in front of her job. In the case of my wife's SUV, I believe the issue started while she was driving to work and it smoldered for a few minutes before bursting into flames.
2 - All Tesla vehicles and other luxury vehicles with electric door popper mechanisms (from the factory) also have a manual, mechanical emergency release easily accessible by the person sitting inside the vehicle. Also, the electric door poppers are typically powered by the vehicles' conventional 12v battery, not the high-voltage traction battery (often in the neighborhood of 400v).
Regardless of whether you drive a gasoline, diesel, LPG/LNG, hydrogen, or battery electric vehicle, it isn't a bad idea to have a vehicle entrapment escape tool mounted within easy reach of the driver. These tools typically have a recessed blade to cut seatbelts and a sharp point (sometimes spring-loaded) to break glass. I got one for my wife that's a 2-in-1 cellphone charger and glass-break tool.
Well, an ICE car can catch on fire while parked if flammable power steering or brake fluid touches hot exhaust components. It happened to a friend of mine. Thankfully the car was parked on the driveway.
@@kathrynjanzen5618 That's why I bought a window breaker tool.
more kia and hyundai cars and suv have caught fire than all of the EVs combined. FACTS.
All of the EV bashers on here don't want to be confused with facts. Their mind is already made up. They've been listening to the propaganda.
Shouldn't the title be why EVs have 25x less chance of catching fire than Gasoline cars.
@w t ev batteries are also very powerful fuel and highly toxic. It takes hours to put out the fire and can reflash. It is way more dangerous than gasoline and gas is already dangerous.
@@zlonewolf
25,000 gasoline car fires vs 1 EV car fire.
Hmm, I feel much safer with EV any day.
CNBC is trashing the EV because of the legacy auto advertising revenue and Big oil.
Brought to u by GM and Ford - FUD
Yes, a video like this benefits both Ford and GM who are investing BILLIONS into EVs.
Why is our government so intent on putting us all into electric vehicles instead of gasoline or diesel powered vehicles? This tech is neither tried or true. Hypothetically, could a signal be sent via smart meters to short out the battery and start an electrical fire during charging of your ev? What happens when your EV catches fire inside your garage or a parking structure? It may be too hot to stop before engulfing your entire home or the homes of others, are you personally liable for damage or is it covered by auto insurance? What happens if you don't have access to home charging equipment? What happens If the government wanted you to comply with the new tyranny rules or move to one of their 15 minute cities, could they just flip a switch and eliminate your ability to charge your vehicle? It will be worse by volumes with digital money. In California, they suffer from brown outs, black outs for a major portion of the summer as the power grid is taxed to capacity. When it is windy, the grid is automatically shut down. The state government asks people last year not to charge vehicles during these times. How does this affect your ability to use your transportation? Is it dangerous for the power company linemen to work on power lines when electric vehicles are plugged into the grid?
Now they are putting the factories to build these batteries in Michigan- we don't want them!! The government is corrupt!! Look up Gotion Ev Battery Plant
Why not include information as to how rare Battery fires are
Uh, we don't have those figures yet
I’ll note that the information I’ve found indicates that the Bolt and Kona fires seemed to be caused by an unfortunate cell feature where the anode had a bent sharp edge placed too close to the separator. Dendrites can eventually form off the edge and pierce the separator causing a short. The defect appears to be due to a poorly-chosen production shortcut where the serpentine folding was cut in the middle of a fold rather than on a flat region. As such the fires are not entirely random but due to a stupid mistake.
Yes I would have to say that NOTHING YOU HAVE SAID MAKES ANY SENSE WHATSOEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@jimmygrant424 , it probably would if he could upload a 3D diagram(s) of what he is attempting to describe verbally.
@@jimmygrant424 Lithium Ion batteries have Anodes and Cathodes. It makes perfect sense for those that actually understand how Lithium Ion batteries work.
And it will not change. These companies thrive off the lowest bidder, cheapest parts and the components are built by humans.
All electric car would be limited to a max speed of 60kph, no highway for them!
Im surprised the oil companies haven't shut down ev cars yet
But they don't tho, ICE cars catch on fire far more that EVs!
Ice car catch on fire more yea, but when he do its safer, less heat, doesn't spread as quick plus there are more ice on the road so there are always more ice fires
@@moses8758 even as a % of cars or miles driven ICE catches on fire more.
@@mikaila31True. Yup, they are still considered a niche (but growing) market - only about 3% of car sales worldwide... when they do catch on fire, it's gonna be big news. That stat in the beginning of the video saying there were 173,000 cars fires in the US alone. I doubt EV's accounted for even .5% of them. But when you are a new tech (yeah, EV's aren't exactly new, but they are an extremely small bit of the car sale market) that being pushed to be both profitable and economically viable and sustainable and safe.... not all press is good press. Every incident undermines the EV industry.
Not in your garage while you're asleep though
@@TheV8nissan ICE still can catch on fire while parked. Either leaking fluid on something hot or electrical shorts have historically caused that issue.
One thing I don't understand is that how pouring water on Lithium is a good idea to begin with?
you start by putting out the fire, with foam for example, but the next step is to cool down the battery to prevent it to reignite. And that cooling down works best with water.
An EV in your garage is an unpredictable time bomb. Maybe it won't go off.
Why don't you compare common statistics regarding fires? ICE vs. EV?
ICE looses by 10x.
Are you factoring in the scale of how many more ICE cars there are or just comparing raw fire numbers together? Percentages matter
They are not comparing EVs to ICE cars. Simple stating the fact that EVs have issues that need to be addressed.
If Lithium Io Polymer n batteries get any water inside them they ignite. So Never, Ever drive your EV when it RAINS!
Brought to you by BP oil...
Nice hit piece on EVs. I mean nothing gives me a bigger sense of security knowing I’m driving around on 18 gallons of fire resistant gasoline.
Fuel isn’t flammable in liquid form. It’s only the vapour that is flammable. Batteries on the other hand do not like to be crushed, they react violently to that. What could go wrong putting massive batteries on the underside of cars moving at 60mph. Battery fires take a lot more water to put out and repeatedly reignite after being put out. Call this revenge of the Ford Pinto.
The accidents about EV fires have to be reported. GM and Hyundai have massive recalls of their EV's from EV fires to the tunes of $Billions, and GM hardly sell any EV since the last year. These are important matters. Please open your eyes and see the truth.
🔥Ok..
But:
..study conducted by AutoInsuranceEZ using data from the NTSB (National Transportation Safety Board) showed that electric cars in the US caught fire at a rate of 25.1 per 100,000 sales compared to 1,530 for ICE vehicles
? --> 1,530 vs 25.1 electric cars 🤯
EV fires, were mostly Chevy Bolts, but GM is fixing that
"Extremely challenging to put out"?
That's an understatement. Some in the industry say they are impossible to put out when they reach a certain stage.
My Jeep WJ has this neat feature that when someone rear ends you it bursts into flames. There is a recall for this and the "fix" was to add a tow hitch receiver.
😂
Remembers me of the infamous Ford Pinto...
Really?!
They jumped the gun. Until the battery technology is safe and NOT a huge fire risk, these vehicles are not ready for prime time. Consumers are catching on and EV sales are stalling. Current models of EV's have catastrophic rates of depreciation and owners of EV's will not get much for their used EV's, particularly now that the risk of them being a ticking time bomb while charging in someone's garage or the underground parking garage of a condo building is becoming clear.
There needs an emergency port to fill on the battery pack for fires. Something that pops open during fire.
simple!
there's literally already foams and other ways to fight fires... They are just dumb, cheap and lazy...
@@biglonie issue is its sealed in a metal bomb casing.....
@@GardensoftheAncientsHerbal And - Manufactures could install a Fire Protection System - Like Aircraft do: Both ICE & BEV, could do so!
You mean GM…
EVs are not actually as prone to fire as internal combustion engine vehicles. The media just tries to mislead you by making any EV fires national news. It’s not as big of a problem as this video makes you think.
Researches have demonstrated that growing "dendrites" inside a battery cell can short-circuit or otherwise damage the cell. During charging dendrites are growing from every lithium suface to the counter electrode - this is a behaviour which can't be prevented in any way.
Why not ban cars entirely and make city's more sustainable and profitable by making them more dense and walkable it will reduce obesity and and other health issues and also battery cars are not good either they use tires and building them requires rare earth metals which causes pollution battery cars explode mixed housing is better
It cannot be solved in that particular battery chemistry and form factor. It does not mean it is not a problem that new technology is capable of resolving. IE BYD's LFP Blade batteries cannot catch fire at all. Even if you drive a spike through them. And they are cranking out a million+ of those cars in China now and will be exporting them to all major markets in the next two years.
Use lead.
Except of course, your claim that this "can't be prevented in any way" is categorically false. There are multiple ways this can be addressed:
" A team at the University of Michigan designed a barrier that suppresses dendrite growth not just by physically blocking them, but also by altering the conditions around dendrite tips where growth is concentrated.
The material is a soft polymer film that is polarized and piezoelectric-meaning it generates a voltage when the film is deformed. The film sits on top of the battery’s anode. And when a lithium dendrite presses on the film, the voltage repels more lithium ions from piling up at that spot. This prevents the lithium from forming sharp tips that can penetrate the barrier. "
"At the Toyota Research Institute of North America, researchers recently demonstrated a battery with a lithium metal anode, solid lithium thiophosphate electrolyte, and sulfur cathode. Sulfur is another high-storage-capacity electrode material and-bonus-it’s cheap. As for the battery’s ability to resist dendrites, the Toyota researchers noted a relationship between dendrite growth and the electrolyte’s ability to conduct ions."
"For example, as a battery charges, lithium ions can deposit irregularly on the anode, forming spiky structures called dendrites that can grow long enough to reach the other electrode and short-circuit the battery, potentially causing a fire. This is a bigger problem for lithium metal than for other anode materials like graphite."
You DO know that most Lithium Ion batteries in cars have Graphite Anode's right?
@@davefroman4700 It actually CAN be solved. Several labs have already found solutions to it.
No one can put out a lithium battery fire with water or chemicals. The battery fire only goes out when the battery is fully consumed.
Battery fires in ev's are very difficult to stop due to the chemical nature of the event. No commercial or domestic building fire codes, that I know of, address this new risk. Imagine a older style central city multi storey car park having an ev fire event. Imagine a similar event in an underground car park in a multistorey apartment block or commercial shopping mall. These fires are low risk, high consequence events. We must design to minimise the risk but above all we must immediately assess existing structures to minimise the consequences when an ev fire occurs.
To put out EV fire , need CO2 gas instead of water. or something that make temperatures down. example water tank big enough for EV.
The problem with Lithium ion battery fires is that the battery produces it's own Oxygen. The water tank is a good idea but CO2 isn't the answer.
and really (while i DO like it's simplicity) the water tank is unfortunately NOT a practical/viable solution in the context of PREVENTION. no, what it is a "half thought out" solution that only occurs AFTER THE FACT. yeah, "after" like 18 cars and 10 houses have burned to the ground. off the devastating "Blowtorch" Wildfire that occured back on 12-30-2021, i think you're going to find ALL the residents of Superior Colorado are going to have strong opinions on this. #PREVENTION
Wont work. The chemistry creates to own source of oxygen.
The future of automobiles is not "undeniably electric". That's propaganda.
Why petrol engine are on fire too
Not in your garage while you sleep though
@Erik W lol, where do you think that 20 gallons of gas is stored?
I have been safety testing lithium ion cells for the last two years (18650 and 21700). I would have a hard time sitting on top of a battery pack with 1000-2000 cells. It’s a lot of energy packed in there….
Where do you get 1000 to 2000 cells from? A Nissan Leaf 24kw has around 130 cells......
@@Brian-om2hh The Tesla S class has over 7000 18650 cells.....
Water is not the best fire extinguisher for lithium batteries.
Lithium reacts intensely with water, forming lithium hydroxide and highly flammable hydrogen.
Car manufacturers are racing to develop the next models while not being forced by regulators to encapsulate proper fire neutralizers into the battery's pack. It should be mandatory that lithium battery manufacturers wrap their batteries with chemicals to neutralize the chemical reaction such as powder graphite or sodium carbonate.
The insurance guy said "The data that we've looked at so far doesn't indicate that there is an outsized risk of non-crash fire"
That for what I can understand it means "doesn't occur very often" or i guess it is not increasing and getting out of hand...
This article is really close to scaremongering
Chrysler recalled 8 million cars ice in 2018 GM 9 millions in 2014, it still happen on ice car...
Close to?
The issue is those cars were faulty and recalled. These are issues with EVs functioning as they should until a minor crash with a barrier, etc. EV market share is minimal, yet they are over represented with fires recently - obviously from a numbers perspective there are so many ICE vehicles out there that they make up most fires. We only can fairly tell when EVs are as popular as ICE cars but that is when it’s too late. I love the idea of EVs but this worries me - looking forward to blade battery tech.
@@User-cb4jm the risk of fire is estimated to be around 10 and 60 times lower, I remember you that there are out there at least 2 million Tesla and another 2 million other cars, so the number compared are still low but statistically significant, so if statistics are off and they are an order of magnitude higher EV goes on par or it will be 6 times better than ICE.
I give you a personal anecdote, I had a second hand car, a petrol one, I drove really slow on a wet side road, the wheel slipped and the car went down the ditch, I pulled it out and everything seemed ok not even a scratch, two days later I realized that the radiator was damaged, by the car steaming everywhere while I was driving, just a small nick and I throw out a petrol car, so bad days happen for everyone!
Why not ban cars entirely and make city's more sustainable and profitable by making them more dense and walkable it will reduce obesity and and other health issues and also battery cars are not good either they use tires and building them requires rare earth metals which causes pollution battery cars explode mixed housing is better
@@ujjalshill6442 one step at a time, not everyone likes really drastic changes
There is a car that is the least likely to catch fire and that is the reliable diesel powered car
and most of these events considered EV fires and not the only time they will burn, these are just ones innocently parked on roads or in garages of houses and high rises. Gasoline car fires are mostly from the accidents that manage to rupture the gas tank. They are really trying to make people think that EV fires are rare, they are not.
One problem not mentioned is the one shown graphically in the video image of the electric bus which caught fire in a normal, busy, street in the middle of Paris (France). It was empty and out of service at the time which was fortunate so no deaths but it was literally raining molten metal around the bus. If you were trying to escape you would either perish or be very badly burned from the flames or from the molten metals - and no way to protect yourself from it as you fled. And the smoke which was filling the atmosphere was a rather attractive - but obviously very destructive to human lungs and the environment in general - green.
Yawn. Are you people literally INCAPABLE of doing actual research?
"On April 29, a fire broke out on a Bluebus 5SE electric bus on line 71 in the 13th arrondissement of Paris, close to the French capital's national library. The driver immediately evacuated the passengers and no injuries were reported."
Yet again proving, that even with a bus full of passengers catching fire, the driver evacuated the bus safely and there were NO injuries, completely destroying your drama theory.
@@redbaron6805 Must be a different bus. The news video for the fire that I watched involved a bus that was very definitely NOT IN SERVICE and had this (in French naturally) written up on the sign thingy above the front windscreen. It was also empty and the engine switched off. The first sign something was wrong was when the lights - all the lights - flashed on and off a couple of times and then there were flames and smoke everywhere shorted joined by raining molten metal. The report did mention that it wasn't the first fire involving a bus in Paris and it also briefly mentioned a couple of fires in other countries as well including the UK.
We had a converted EV cement mixer self ignite In Melbourne last week. It had just come off a large bridge. Had it ignited on the bridge I wonder what the damage might have been to the bridge structure, not to mention cars driving behind it? The spectre of this occurring in a tunnel or underground carpark is truly terrifying.The really scary part is that none of the news services reported it! I wonder why that is?
A fire extinguisher is of absolutely no use in the case of a lithium battery fire but there is a good chance of putting out a fire with a fire extinguisher on a conventional powered vehicle but absolutely no chance in putting out a fire in a lithium battery with ANYTHING!
"Every single vehicle is different, even within a manufacturer" does this mean future regulation might include some kind of standardisation to designs?
@clot shots oh, I took different to mean there's not much interchangeability because of somewhat custom part designs
@clot shots well I assumed some regulatory body would set some kind of standards so that there is commonality if not within manufacturers then across the segment( not the government getting ok the drawing board and saying which exact shapes parts should be but that maybe they should at least have some kind of specified dimensions so that for example a tesla charger can be plugged into a rivian or something like that). But by the looks of things I'm a little ignorant here, no I have not heard of the yugo, will take your advice...
Electric vehicles are such a new thing that manufacturers are sharing all of their information and designs with each other, where they used to be extremely protective of those sorts of things. It's extremely strange, and I see it as a huge red flag.
No, people say crazy stuff because they are fairly new & not understood
That is why you pick a company with 10 years + experience in battery and software technology.
Toyota
Toyota uses Nimh batteries with such a low energy density that they are basically unusable for a full electric vehicle. For their lithium batteries, which are COMPLETELY different than a nimh battery, they are using the same lithium technology as everyone else (and they aren’t building it themselves)
I love driving by with my 1979 Lincoln Continental laughing at these people
(Just reacting to your video title) What utter tripe. I'd far rather be in a serious crash in an EV where any fire due to the battery pack being damaged takes at least seconds (more likely minutes) to develop rather than be instantly engulfed in a fireball when the petrol tank of the ICEV ruptures and its contents ignite.
Whether EV's catch fire less often may or may not matter. It's the nature of the fire and whether the occupants can get out alive or unscathed.
And electric cars will be of little use to people when the electrical grid goes down, state-wide, province-wide or city-wide. It doesn't matter. Even if just an entire section a city loses power, thousands of people are screwed.
This is even worse than when we lost Internet service across Canada. You can just hook up to another utility like you can piggyback off of Bell's Internet from a friend's house or hotspot.
Once we've put our eggs in one basket, fire get more catastrophic, electrical outages are no wide -spread and negatively affect people in a worse way than independent fueled vehicles.
Armageddon is just around the corner.
Gasoline pumps generally don’t work too well without electricity either
Gas stations don't work without power either......
@@Brian-om2hh Perhaps, but it's relatively easy for people to store gasoline in containers and get a few extra miles from that. You can also siphon gas from one tank to another. Considering how large some gas tank are, moving a full tank of gas from a large SUV or truck can get a small car to go quite a few miles. When an electric car goes dead and the electrical system is down for days, you're totally pooched and without alternatives.
But at least you are saving the environment!! What good boys and girls you are. Keep buying electric vehicles.
Wait until the insurance companies that offer homeowners react to EV's in an attached garage.
Electric cars burn less.
The biggest garage fires has been diesel or gasoline cars.
But yes, when an electric car burns, it's so rear, that it's a news story.
Long story short, don't use pouch cells. Current gen cylindrical cells and LiFePo4 cells are very safe, at least 10x less fires than gas cars.
They didn't mention one other important issue , electric vehicles have a voltage of 440 volts , how does a firefighter deal with that , especially in an accident when a person is trapped , how do they avoid getting electrocuted ? I don't understand why the idea of hydrogen fuel cells was dropped , obviously it can't be because it burns , and it can't be because of pollution because when hydrogen burns it's exhaust is oxygen and water , it's no more explosive than gasoline . So hydrogen burns like gasoline and it's byproduct is pure oxygen and pure water , both things that our planet could use more of . I've also read just how dirty mining for the materials to make those lithium ion batteries is , it creates more pollution than would be created if the same vehicle was gasoline powered , that doesn't even count the pollution created by making the electricity to charge the batteries ! I guess going green isn't so green after all !
If I plugged 1 in at home I would want a firewall between garage & house.
Anyway... Gas cars catch fire astronomically more than EVs so.... NEXT
EDIT: okay, in defense of the video they're specifically talking about energy density WHEN EVs catch fire vs combustion cars
Whatever battery chemistry they use it always will be more difficult to put out when they catch fire compared to a gasoline car. Gasoline needs oxygen to release the energy. Cut out the oxygen by water or foam and the fire is put out. Batteries have all they need to release the energy in them so in case of a fire you just have to cool down their surrounding and wait until all energy is released.
which is why german firefighters just put EVs in a big tank, where they can reignite as often as they want.
There is no such thing as zero emissions. That's fraudulent marketing.
5:45 European cities now dump entire burning electric cars into a dumpster full of water to put out the fire. 👍 Okay, but...
6:56 Tesla's safety instructions for first responders includes a warning box that clearly states: "DO NOT SUBMERGE VEHICLE TO EXTINGUISH/COOL BATTERY FIRE".
Can someone please explain this conflict to me? 😕
Lithium reacts with water. EU solution is dumb. They could dump sand or earth
Correct. And leave Them submerged for 72 hours. At first it was 24 hours but it was prolonged because they caught fire again.
The French can't even put out a church fire.
It's not recommended to use water on a electric fire
@@johnpublic168 Yeah, I thought so too, but evidently things change. 🤷
Thank you, we had decades of experience with lithium batteries in consumer electronics. It’s interesting to see a lot of the same challenges have carried over. If always assumed but not had the data to back it up.
Why not ban cars entirely and make city's more sustainable and profitable by making them more dense and walkable it will reduce obesity and and other health issues and also battery cars are not good either they use tires and building them requires rare earth metals which causes pollution battery cars explode mixed housing is better
That’s comparing apples and oranges. Lithium ion is a generic name. It’s like saying all cakes are the same. Or cake and bread are the same.
Remember if it bleeds it leads. Out of the billions of cellphones, laptops and anything else will a lithium ion battery how many fires were there?
@@RCdiy the science is clearly the same, so not sure where your apples and oranges comparison comes in. Perhaps you’d like to elaborate on that?
@@jtonline99 It clearly isn't the same as there isn't a single type of Lithium Ion batteries. Lithium Ion is an umbrella term of the battery technology, kind of like jets. There are different types, sizes and functions for jets. They are not all the same.
Same applies to Lithium Ion. NCA batteries are different from NMC batteries, you have cylinder type and pouch type cells, 800V and 400V batteries, Lithium Polymer, Lithium Air, Sodium, Solid State, Lithium Iron, etc. etc.
Certain types catch fire when punctured, others do not. It depends on chemistry, cell type, energy density, packaging, etc. etc.
So, no. The science is not "clearly the same". There are substantial differences between current cell types and chemistry.
@@redbaron6805 I don't think you've demonstrated a substantial difference in the fundamental science of Lithium-Ion technology, rather rattled off a list of materials, packaging methods, voltage applications etc... that have occurred as the technology has advanced and manufactures adapt the batteries to their particular application.
Fundamentally they all have a flammable electrolyte and are a risk for overheating, thermal runaway, explosions, etc...
And this isn't old news. There are plenty of examples of recalls from tech (Apple and Samsung), through to Aviation (Boeing) through to the automotive industry for these type of challenges, and they all use types of batteries across this Lithium-Ion spectrum you mention....
When a multi-storey car park full of EV's burns it will be like an explosives factory burning in a city.
Electric cars are good now they have improved massively this programme is 2 3 years ago
We need well made cars Electric is the future some places faster n more needed than others
those 76,000 & 73,000 recalls were made in 2021
@@FowlorTheRooster1990 I agree
In Europe , even houses caught fire when electric bycicles caught fire in the garage when reloading and people were not at home, the house was completely destroyed ... EV will be banned from underground parking lots if it turns out that these vehicles are very dangerous to catch fire and are almost not to be extinguished ... unless put into a water container for a day or more ...
How is it undeniably the future when it's effectively an unstoppable fire in a fireproof box?
As an automotive engineer, I stick to the facts: 0.08% of normal cars catch fire, 0.01% of electric cars catch fire. In Germany official figures shows that in average there are 40 ICE cars that catch fire every day, nobody is speaking about that, because this seems normal. The evidence has come out of the ship that caught fire in the Netherlands. The 500 EVs came off the ship undamaged and the cause has now been determined: an ordinary ICE vehicle. A new campaign is being conducted against EVs, now a new means to empty the state coffers has been found, namely synthetic fuels. Asking price 2630 Euro / liter or 9985 Dollar / US gallon). People will pay a slightly higher price than normal at the pump, the rest will be made up (stolen) by the state to supposedly save the climate and never before have the petroleum companies earned so much money with which they can pay corrupt politicians and media to promote this . That is the truth.
Keep it up CNBS. Need the FUD to suppress Tesla share price. 👌😘
With electric cars you no longer have to paint flames on your car to look cool.
Relative to gas cars? 🤔
yes. once a gas tank is punctured all the gas will spill out. You put some water on that until you do't see any flames anymore, after that you can scrap it. If an EV starts burning you basically have to put it out so you can transport somewhere where can burn down completly and safely only then is it possible to scrap it. Lithium itself burns very easily in contact with air or water.
@@jsplit9716 your right. Fire is definitely worse with electric cars. Curious what the numbers look like for fires: gas vs. electric.
Rushed technology…. Not enough testing and what long term effects of the …battery fires and the highly toxic byproducts of the plastics. Polymers and fiberglass…. Not to mention health issues….
1 fire claim per 10,000??? That's more common than brain cancer.
The only BMW I3 cars that have burned ironically are those equipped with an optional gasoline motor-generator unit called a range extender. The cause has been the fuel line in most cases, though one burned when the dipstick wasn't properly reinserted.
This video is not intended to make EVs look bad. It is just showing the current issues with electric vehicles that need to be overcome in the future.
EDIT: The original statement below is just satire, there are no facts in this original statement below.
The reason is why news outlets are making ev fires national news, while normal car fires are not even making local news in some cases.
@martin stone Off topic, everyone has their own differences and stereotypes are not facts. You used the stereotype that Asians are smart but that is not necessarily true. Not very bright Martin.......
@@FowlorTheRooster1990 You are right and I already knew some things that you described, I was just angry at that other person for insulting me. At least you were much nicer to me unlike the other person.
At least we are saving the planet with EVs. But wait, are we? really?
Gas or EV. This is a cautionary tale. Both catch fire.
This comes from CNBC!! When these guys are reporting this, there’s a problem.
EVs are a move into subscription vehicles. "You will own nothing and be happy." -WEF
Yeah, but nonsense
The “Teslas on Fire compilation “ video brought me here!
CNBC has no shame
They are playing the fire problem down. They must be being paid by the motor company. They are dangerous, and I would not trust putting my family in one of these death traps. With electric coach fires is especially dangerous, it is unlikely that all the occupants would escape before they are turned into a black block of carbon.
Can’t they build in a automatic fire suppression system in those battery boxes, such that if temperatures reach limit, that automatically inject some fire repellent in to the box ?
Perhaps it is possible to make an internal fire suppression system. The main problem is that a lithium fire produces it's own oxidizer meaning it doesn't need outside air in order to burn. The batteries are on a sealed metal box which makes getting water or foam directly on the batteries nearly impossible.
@@1982nsu Maybe you could make them so that they don't lock you inside when they're on fire. Silly idea, I know.
The chances of an EV fire are astronomically low, so there wouldn't be a reason to do this.
Not really. The problem with lithium fires is that they’re self-oxidizing. Once they ignite they go into thermal runaway. It doesn’t matter what the source of the fire is. They’ll keep burning as long as there’s lithium.
What's really F** up is the back doors are electric only and don't have an emergency release.
Wow we went from Internal combustion to spontaneous combustion!
EVs are not undeniably or inevitably "the future". The future includes less personal mobility and a reversion to smaller, lighter vehicles. It is the total carbon footprint, from "cradle to grave" that will determine which technology shall win in the future.
true james
If it weren't for massive corruption, the "future of cars" would be powered by water. Look it up if you're curious.
for those interested in facts: last year there were approximately 25 EV fires and ... [wait for it] nearly 200,000 regular gasoline powered car fires
I see a lot of comments about EVs and fire. Thanks for making this video to get a summary of issue.
Unintended consequences. Imagine in a parking lot at the Super Bowl in 2040 when all vehicles are electric. The whole parking lot could quite conceivably go up in flames if one fire started a chain reaction. There wouldn't be enough Uber cars to get everyone home. Imagine the stampeed of people trying to move their car before it caught on fire. What a traffic jam that would be. Now think of all the large parking lots in the world. Airports, zoos, amusement parks, shopping malls.
EV supporters claim low incidence ... but that rare incident takes your house down.
The most common cause of EV fires is thermal runaway, which is a rapid, uncontrolled increase in temperature leading to catastrophic battery failure or explosions. The temperature of an electric vehicle fire can reach 5,000 degrees Fahrenheit, compared to 1,500 degrees in a gas-powered car fire.
Many fire departments are NOT training their people adequately for the dangers of Lithium-ion battery equipped dangers...as the fire chief stated: "It changes daily"
As someone who uses buses, I feel bad for the burnt and melted buses
I think electric vehicles should be required to have mechanical manual windows and doors to prevent people from getting trapped inside in the event of a fire. There is a recent story in the news of a man having to kick out the car windshield to escape a fire when the cars electric windows and doors failed to work during a fire. The new Tesla Cyber truck has glass that's near impossible to break in an emergency and should have a way for people to escape.
It is mandatory for ALL cars to have this feature. Windows etc are also electrically driven in ICE cars.