I remember the old road Tim, and remember the original landslip, which wasn't great. The road (part of the A625) was built to protect damage to Winnat's Pass, (at one time there were huge lorries carrying cement going all round there), and for years they said they were going to rebuild it. I used to head up to Hollins Cross that way as a nipper. Mam Tor, means 'Mother Mountain/Hill' in Old Norse I believe, and combines 2 good old Yorkshire words. I think landslips were responsible for the faces of both Mam Tor and Back Tor. They are very common there. From the top of the Winnats, there's a nice way round that takes you to the Treak Cliff Cavern, and avoids that part of the road. You come down at the bottom of Winnat's opposite Speedwell Cavern. I'd forgotten about that cave Tim, I haven't been into it in years. The first time I went inside, as my boy, with my mate, we were just inside the entrance, and a shrew ran across the instep of my boot! It's the only time I've ever seen one! That looks like some 'art' Tim, but the reason those mill-stones were left behind all over the place, is that the price of French stone suddenly became cheaper than English stone, and the quarrymen were told not to bother coming in the next day. The 'Win'/'Lose' hill thing is rubbish I'm afraid mate, Win is thought to come from 'wyn', an old English word for willow, which once grew there. As you know, 'Lose' is pronounced 'loose'. There's another story about a battle supposedly being fought there, it's absolute cobblers! :D Treak Cliff was the first cavern I went down, and my favourite I think. The first 'path' you saw was actually for the old mining trollies I think. I remember going there on a school trip, and buying a penknife from the shop there. The parking space was very neccesary for coaches, when the road was still open. They're a bit pricey to get in, the caverns, aren't they, but a great experience? Looks like you had a grand Christmas Day Tim.
Locally it's more often the "shivering" mountain. It's a shale geology, and as in many places in the peak district, the road slips and crumbles. In some places they keep repairing it (eg B6001) but in less busy roads the council tends to just close it off. They did repair this Mam Tor road a few times, but in fairness it was a losing battle and they were probably right to give up. (Edited for typo).
Tim I want to see more dystopia, I believe modern architecture is designed to sap any individuality, free thinking personality and soul we have remaining. Modern workplaces and dwellings are designed to indoctrine us. All I can see here is grass, please come back to Page Hall and Rockingham lane 👍
I believe the Mam Tor route was a replacement for the Winnats Pass route. The Mam Tor road suffered from landslips/landslides especially after heavy rain and continual repair until finally closed in 1979. To quote, "Sandstones higher up Mam Tor overlie weak mudstones (beneath the road). Rain water seeps through the sandstones into the mudstones, which become soft clay, allowing the slope to settle downhill. Geologists have found evidence showing that this slip has been moving for over 3000 years". There is a Bronze Age hill fort on Mam Tor. In fact I think there are hill forts on many of the hills around there. As for Blue John, I believe this is the only area where Blue John is found.
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I remember the old road Tim, and remember the original landslip, which wasn't great. The road (part of the A625) was built to protect damage to Winnat's Pass, (at one time there were huge lorries carrying cement going all round there), and for years they said they were going to rebuild it. I used to head up to Hollins Cross that way as a nipper. Mam Tor, means 'Mother Mountain/Hill' in Old Norse I believe, and combines 2 good old Yorkshire words. I think landslips were responsible for the faces of both Mam Tor and Back Tor. They are very common there. From the top of the Winnats, there's a nice way round that takes you to the Treak Cliff Cavern, and avoids that part of the road. You come down at the bottom of Winnat's opposite Speedwell Cavern. I'd forgotten about that cave Tim, I haven't been into it in years. The first time I went inside, as my boy, with my mate, we were just inside the entrance, and a shrew ran across the instep of my boot! It's the only time I've ever seen one! That looks like some 'art' Tim, but the reason those mill-stones were left behind all over the place, is that the price of French stone suddenly became cheaper than English stone, and the quarrymen were told not to bother coming in the next day. The 'Win'/'Lose' hill thing is rubbish I'm afraid mate, Win is thought to come from 'wyn', an old English word for willow, which once grew there. As you know, 'Lose' is pronounced 'loose'. There's another story about a battle supposedly being fought there, it's absolute cobblers! :D Treak Cliff was the first cavern I went down, and my favourite I think. The first 'path' you saw was actually for the old mining trollies I think. I remember going there on a school trip, and buying a penknife from the shop there. The parking space was very neccesary for coaches, when the road was still open. They're a bit pricey to get in, the caverns, aren't they, but a great experience? Looks like you had a grand Christmas Day Tim.
Thanks Jack for your knowledge. Mines were never that expensive when I was a kid.
@timawells Maybe it was just that my dad was tight mate! 😁 He certainly was too! 😱
Hi Tim interesting video mate enjoy it
Thought you would like it Andy.
Keep the vidieos coming😀
Thanks. At some stage Winnats pass is coming.
Lost my legs quite a few times up there ,lovely views reyt on my doorstep... I always forget that I have to walk back always wanting to push on
I didn't know there was a pub up there Crissy to lose your legs!
Locally it's more often the "shivering" mountain. It's a shale geology, and as in many places in the peak district, the road slips and crumbles. In some places they keep repairing it (eg B6001) but in less busy roads the council tends to just close it off. They did repair this Mam Tor road a few times, but in fairness it was a losing battle and they were probably right to give up. (Edited for typo).
Tim I want to see more dystopia, I believe modern architecture is designed to sap any individuality, free thinking personality and soul we have remaining. Modern workplaces and dwellings are designed to indoctrine us.
All I can see here is grass, please come back to Page Hall and Rockingham lane 👍
Richard Sheffield coming today. its bleak.
I believe the Mam Tor route was a replacement for the Winnats Pass route. The Mam Tor road suffered from landslips/landslides especially after heavy rain and continual repair until finally closed in 1979. To quote, "Sandstones higher up Mam Tor overlie weak mudstones (beneath the road). Rain water seeps through the sandstones into the mudstones, which become soft clay, allowing the slope to settle downhill. Geologists have found evidence showing that this slip has been moving for over 3000 years".
There is a Bronze Age hill fort on Mam Tor. In fact I think there are hill forts on many of the hills around there. As for Blue John, I believe this is the only area where Blue John is found.
Thanks Peter for your comment.
Hi Tim, I wonder if there's any video of traffic coming up the old broken road in it's hay day
How is this Paul? ua-cam.com/video/-DZ7K0OfCUo/v-deo.htmlsi=9NnN394JWh72ZHpL
Walk up winners pass!!!!
I have done that as well Dave will upload at some time. Its a good round walk.