Hey Dulles, Happy New Year! I'm not gonna say anything about your hat either, except that it's way cool. 🙂 I'd say you said it all for me right here...individual's emotional maturity being a big one, and the self-awareness of FI...those of us who are quite emotional though appear placid or even stoic to others...there's a LOT going on in here, though there's this constant (it feels) sort of reflective editing process going on so we don't eventually get led away to a little padded room somewhere, or worse...ha. Thanks as always, and shall catch up with you further soon. -Carm
Happy New Year Carm and it's good to hear from you! I hope it's off to a good start (though I think we're all in the deep freeze for the week. Winter proper has arrived). I left out some context. On Reddit (I know, Reddit....) it's pretty common for posters to claim people with high Fi are ruled by their emotions. People assign qualities including flighty, unreliable, irrational, confrontational -- those who act on whatever they feel in the moment. Then I look around here at the INFPs, and I look at my wife who's an ISFP, and it's clear these claims don't hold up. (As a side note, in past years, I've both hosted events and participated in events hosted by other people, nothing to do with MBTI, where a bunch of people flake/fail to show. I'm one of the few who's reliable to follow through. Which makes the claim that INFPs are masters at flaking out ... irritating). People miss the "a LOT going on". Other NFPs may do it differently, but I like to work on ideas when there's placid waters. Precision work happens when the acetylcholine is flowing (supposedly the reward chemical for introverts when we are introverting), which doesn't happen while in the grip of strong emotions.
@@dulles1969 Reddit....isn't that a cinnamon-flavored chewing gum...? 🙃 Oh yes, people who know me well wonder how I can be both so daydreamy yet punctual.... Well with writing letters, essays..or comments, yes, better to be settled down, though with creative work like ceramics, some of the most rewarding pieces come from being in a bit of a tizzy I find...though indeed, varies among individuals and how one's wired...or 'fired' as it were...🙂
Hmm seeing Fi a process of evaluating fluid dynamics is an interesting concept. Yes it seems Fi is often so aware of the minute behavior of the sea that the tidal waves are accounted and planned for, rather than how it is for certain Fe users.
... we all handle emotions differently... for example, I don't like dealing with strong emotions. I'll sample but -- not too much. Watching UA-cam clips e.g., of US Sovereign Citizens trying to pull a fast one on police officers or court judges is an interesting sampler. Authority, conflict, ignorance and foolishness, debate, test of wills, more foolishness, potential for violence ... the nice thing about watching these sorts of videos is if it gets too much to handle, one can hit pause -- too titillating, I'm done -- time to switch to a much less excitable topic. Maybe the history of hats? 😄
@dulles1969 haha yes well emotional regulation also has to do with the self awareness of our boundaries...i know i would get too irritated by court case videos, so i don't watch them, simple solution! 😂 hmm the history of hats, topic of another video? 😂
@@radishraven9 I have only one more brimmed hat, so I am running out. My wife has cut me off at three brimmed hats, two caps and two berets. That's probably reasonable. 🙃
Hi Dulles, Good analogy with tides. I really like your analogies! It really speaks to me as someone who has a scientific background. The way you combine the words metric and measurements is really profound as in many scientific theories it lays the foundation for many interesting concepts like spacetime. I guess the choice of analogy of fluid dynamics and vectors is really spot on because one of the Fields we still struggle to understand is fluid dynamics with the infamous " Navier Stokes equations". If I can draw another analogy I would say Fi is like an operator in QM it acts upon a system which is usually in a superposition state and the result of measurement will yield into a collapse of the superposition State into one state. I can even add another analogy about experiencing forces, I guess we can say that to some depending on the strength "screening effect" they may experience different levels of " Coulomb's attraction" and the outburst may be seen as the screening effect being lowered by some high energy deposit that leads to exposing to more attraction due to some ionization. See you are not the only one who may use " tortured analogies" It was really interesting, thanks for sharing. PS : maybe it's just me but your hat somehow gives more of the look of those QM early 20th century scientists vibe:)
Haha, that's brilliant Sic Parvis Magna! I never got much beyond classical physics (though with maths I slid many blocks and raised many weights with pulleys back in 1980s high school physics exams -- that probably doesn't count 🙂). My field ended up being business consulting, so market dynamics instead of quantum dynamics. You are rockin' this topic. And I'm also proud to hold you up as one more example that flighty, flaky, irrational/undependable, controlled by emotions doesn't have anything to do with high Fi/being an INFP. Thank you.
Thanks! Classical physics is still a very important field and some parts of it like fluid dynamics and other subfields are still far from our comprehension and sometimes it may seem trivial but turns out to be really interesting ( check out the Mpemba effect for example) . Of course it does count:) pulleys and sliding blocks are important examples to build up a good basis. Market dynamics is also a very complex and complicated field! I wonder if you have come across the Black-Scholes model since you work in this field? It would be interesting to hear from you. That's really kind of you. I really like to make connections with my studies and your video offered a good opportunity to do that so thanks. You are welcome.
@@sicparvismagna1294 Black-Scholes ... had to look that up -- great scott those are some headache-inducing formulas!! No no, I'm not in financial markets. 😉 I am more on the technology consulting side, where business meets technology, economics, politics, and soft factors. Started off in the Unix business, and I guess my one claim to fame is that I was on the internet before there was an internet... with the first public ISP in the world, here in the leafy suburbs. I come from a family of engineers so I am the exception of the family, without a sciences diploma.
@@dulles1969ok I understand yes I'm fascinated with formulas:) That's really interesting! As for me I'm the only one who has a master's degree in physics or science and went abroad and the only person who reached this level of higher education in the whole history of my family. So yes I'm also an exception which unfortunately makes communications really difficult... Thanks for taking the time to reply, I think you are a really interesting person Dulles and you made me want to know more about you, I don't know if you are connecting outside of UA-cam.
Very true, and even for myself, I was getting these notions very wrong at the beginning: hence I assumed that my INFP friend must be an INTP due to his intellect and ability to hide his true feelings, and I assumed that my INTP friend was an ENFP due to his emotional outbursts. A big desire to start a UA-cam channel, for me, was to put myself forward as an INFP who - like yourself - might not immediately be seen as the stereotype of INFPs, even if we are clearly show that we're Fi-Ne types...to those in the know.
I probably should stay off Reddit. There are some who associate INFPs with: 'overly emotional, blame others for their unhappiness, lazy, complain constantly, extremely stubborn and judgmental, unwilling to change.' That's a pathology diagnosis, not a cognitive stack. But oh well. Thank you for being out there to show a more realistic, nuanced version of what INFPs really are all about.
From my observations, it seems like Fe (as opposed to Fi?) tends to have more difficulty controlling emotions like crying, and Se (as opposed to Si?) seems to have more difficulty controlling emotions like anger. It also seems to me like feelers are more sensitive than thinkers. I would compare it to introverts and extroverts. Extroverts need more stimulation to feel tired from interaction with the world. Introverts are more sensitive in that area and so they get drained more easily. That doesn't mean that extroverts don't get tired. In the same way, thinkers are more resilient to emotional influences, moral implications, criticism and stuff like that. Their body/brain doesn't fire as many chemical reactions which dysregulate the emotional state. The thoughts are also different, like when someone says to a feeler that they are bad at fixing cars, their brain can go into evaluating how they are perceived as having lower value, while a thinker's brain can go into evaluating which parts of the process are lacking and how to improve them to create a correct/reliable process. So even the different perspective (attentional tendencies) of the brain can lead to producing less or more emotional feedback in the body. Jack from World Socionics Society argued that N and T are detached (they are in the analytical/philosophical realm) and F and S are involved - they can be felt in the body (or at least they seem to be more connected to bodily feedback/experiences). So maybe types and emotions are not entirely disconnected.
Fantastic and on point observations! I want to be careful about painting with too broad a brush, but on your Se observation, yes I've also seen more than one ISFP blow-out in a way I haven't seen other types. The lit fuse... the big explosion... then it tails off quickly (whew). And I agree there definitely *is* a relationship between the types and emotions -- there is a connection here. We'll likely both agree, too, that emotion-to-type relationship is complicated. Tying observed behavior in a blanket way to specific functions/types doesn't work well. (Another side note: on thinkers, I dated an ENTP a very long time ago -- she had a short temper for people who failed at rational thinking. It was pretty entertaining. Irrational people don't bother me. It's hypocrisy and irrational bureaucracy that test my temper.) For the fixing cars analogy (apt choice!), completely agree this would point a feeling type in a different direction than a thinking type. There's also context. An ESTJ might react poorly if they see the critique about being bad at fixing cars as an attack on their status. I don't especially value myself based on my ability to fix cars, so my assessment might be whether the commenter just made an observation or intended it as an attack. (Either way I'd probably shrug and agree with them. The commenter would probably then take the tool and show me how to do it correctly. It probably won't take. And there, in a nutshell, is my ISTJ-INFP relationship growing up...) Thanks again for this thoughtful comment.
Hey Dulles, Happy New Year! I'm not gonna say anything about your hat either, except that it's way cool. 🙂 I'd say you said it all for me right here...individual's emotional maturity being a big one, and the self-awareness of FI...those of us who are quite emotional though appear placid or even stoic to others...there's a LOT going on in here, though there's this constant (it feels) sort of reflective editing process going on so we don't eventually get led away to a little padded room somewhere, or worse...ha. Thanks as always, and shall catch up with you further soon. -Carm
Happy New Year Carm and it's good to hear from you! I hope it's off to a good start (though I think we're all in the deep freeze for the week. Winter proper has arrived).
I left out some context. On Reddit (I know, Reddit....) it's pretty common for posters to claim people with high Fi are ruled by their emotions. People assign qualities including flighty, unreliable, irrational, confrontational -- those who act on whatever they feel in the moment.
Then I look around here at the INFPs, and I look at my wife who's an ISFP, and it's clear these claims don't hold up. (As a side note, in past years, I've both hosted events and participated in events hosted by other people, nothing to do with MBTI, where a bunch of people flake/fail to show. I'm one of the few who's reliable to follow through. Which makes the claim that INFPs are masters at flaking out ... irritating).
People miss the "a LOT going on". Other NFPs may do it differently, but I like to work on ideas when there's placid waters. Precision work happens when the acetylcholine is flowing (supposedly the reward chemical for introverts when we are introverting), which doesn't happen while in the grip of strong emotions.
@@dulles1969 Reddit....isn't that a cinnamon-flavored chewing gum...? 🙃
Oh yes, people who know me well wonder how I can be both so daydreamy yet punctual....
Well with writing letters, essays..or comments, yes, better to be settled down, though with creative work like ceramics, some of the most rewarding pieces come from being in a bit of a tizzy I find...though indeed, varies among individuals and how one's wired...or 'fired' as it were...🙂
Hmm seeing Fi a process of evaluating fluid dynamics is an interesting concept. Yes it seems Fi is often so aware of the minute behavior of the sea that the tidal waves are accounted and planned for, rather than how it is for certain Fe users.
... we all handle emotions differently... for example, I don't like dealing with strong emotions. I'll sample but -- not too much. Watching UA-cam clips e.g., of US Sovereign Citizens trying to pull a fast one on police officers or court judges is an interesting sampler. Authority, conflict, ignorance and foolishness, debate, test of wills, more foolishness, potential for violence ... the nice thing about watching these sorts of videos is if it gets too much to handle, one can hit pause -- too titillating, I'm done -- time to switch to a much less excitable topic. Maybe the history of hats? 😄
@dulles1969 haha yes well emotional regulation also has to do with the self awareness of our boundaries...i know i would get too irritated by court case videos, so i don't watch them, simple solution! 😂 hmm the history of hats, topic of another video? 😂
@@radishraven9 I have only one more brimmed hat, so I am running out. My wife has cut me off at three brimmed hats, two caps and two berets. That's probably reasonable. 🙃
Hi Dulles,
Good analogy with tides.
I really like your analogies! It really speaks to me as someone who has a scientific background. The way you combine the words metric and measurements is really profound as in many scientific theories it lays the foundation for many interesting concepts like spacetime. I guess the choice of analogy of fluid dynamics and vectors is really spot on because one of the Fields we still struggle to understand is fluid dynamics with the infamous " Navier Stokes equations".
If I can draw another analogy I would say Fi is like an operator in QM it acts upon a system which is usually in a superposition state and the result of measurement will yield into a collapse of the superposition State into one state. I can even add another analogy about experiencing forces, I guess we can say that to some depending on the strength "screening effect" they may experience different levels of " Coulomb's attraction" and the outburst may be seen as the screening effect being lowered by some high energy deposit that leads to exposing to more attraction due to some ionization.
See you are not the only one who may use " tortured analogies"
It was really interesting, thanks for sharing.
PS : maybe it's just me but your hat somehow gives more of the look of those QM early 20th century scientists vibe:)
Haha, that's brilliant Sic Parvis Magna! I never got much beyond classical physics (though with maths I slid many blocks and raised many weights with pulleys back in 1980s high school physics exams -- that probably doesn't count 🙂). My field ended up being business consulting, so market dynamics instead of quantum dynamics. You are rockin' this topic.
And I'm also proud to hold you up as one more example that flighty, flaky, irrational/undependable, controlled by emotions doesn't have anything to do with high Fi/being an INFP.
Thank you.
Thanks!
Classical physics is still a very important field and some parts of it like fluid dynamics and other subfields are still far from our comprehension and sometimes it may seem trivial but turns out to be really interesting ( check out the Mpemba effect for example) . Of course it does count:) pulleys and sliding blocks are important examples to build up a good basis.
Market dynamics is also a very complex and complicated field! I wonder if you have come across the Black-Scholes model since you work in this field? It would be interesting to hear from you.
That's really kind of you. I really like to make connections with my studies and your video offered a good opportunity to do that so thanks.
You are welcome.
@@sicparvismagna1294 Black-Scholes ... had to look that up -- great scott those are some headache-inducing formulas!! No no, I'm not in financial markets. 😉
I am more on the technology consulting side, where business meets technology, economics, politics, and soft factors. Started off in the Unix business, and I guess my one claim to fame is that I was on the internet before there was an internet... with the first public ISP in the world, here in the leafy suburbs. I come from a family of engineers so I am the exception of the family, without a sciences diploma.
@@dulles1969ok I understand yes I'm fascinated with formulas:)
That's really interesting!
As for me I'm the only one who has a master's degree in physics or science and went abroad and the only person who reached this level of higher education in the whole history of my family. So yes I'm also an exception which unfortunately makes communications really difficult...
Thanks for taking the time to reply, I think you are a really interesting person Dulles and you made me want to know more about you, I don't know if you are connecting outside of UA-cam.
Very true, and even for myself, I was getting these notions very wrong at the beginning: hence I assumed that my INFP friend must be an INTP due to his intellect and ability to hide his true feelings, and I assumed that my INTP friend was an ENFP due to his emotional outbursts. A big desire to start a UA-cam channel, for me, was to put myself forward as an INFP who - like yourself - might not immediately be seen as the stereotype of INFPs, even if we are clearly show that we're Fi-Ne types...to those in the know.
I probably should stay off Reddit. There are some who associate INFPs with: 'overly emotional, blame others for their unhappiness, lazy, complain constantly, extremely stubborn and judgmental, unwilling to change.'
That's a pathology diagnosis, not a cognitive stack. But oh well.
Thank you for being out there to show a more realistic, nuanced version of what INFPs really are all about.
From my observations, it seems like Fe (as opposed to Fi?) tends to have more difficulty controlling emotions like crying, and Se (as opposed to Si?) seems to have more difficulty controlling emotions like anger.
It also seems to me like feelers are more sensitive than thinkers. I would compare it to introverts and extroverts. Extroverts need more stimulation to feel tired from interaction with the world. Introverts are more sensitive in that area and so they get drained more easily. That doesn't mean that extroverts don't get tired. In the same way, thinkers are more resilient to emotional influences, moral implications, criticism and stuff like that. Their body/brain doesn't fire as many chemical reactions which dysregulate the emotional state. The thoughts are also different, like when someone says to a feeler that they are bad at fixing cars, their brain can go into evaluating how they are perceived as having lower value, while a thinker's brain can go into evaluating which parts of the process are lacking and how to improve them to create a correct/reliable process. So even the different perspective (attentional tendencies) of the brain can lead to producing less or more emotional feedback in the body.
Jack from World Socionics Society argued that N and T are detached (they are in the analytical/philosophical realm) and F and S are involved - they can be felt in the body (or at least they seem to be more connected to bodily feedback/experiences).
So maybe types and emotions are not entirely disconnected.
Fantastic and on point observations! I want to be careful about painting with too broad a brush, but on your Se observation, yes I've also seen more than one ISFP blow-out in a way I haven't seen other types. The lit fuse... the big explosion... then it tails off quickly (whew).
And I agree there definitely *is* a relationship between the types and emotions -- there is a connection here. We'll likely both agree, too, that emotion-to-type relationship is complicated. Tying observed behavior in a blanket way to specific functions/types doesn't work well.
(Another side note: on thinkers, I dated an ENTP a very long time ago -- she had a short temper for people who failed at rational thinking. It was pretty entertaining. Irrational people don't bother me. It's hypocrisy and irrational bureaucracy that test my temper.)
For the fixing cars analogy (apt choice!), completely agree this would point a feeling type in a different direction than a thinking type. There's also context. An ESTJ might react poorly if they see the critique about being bad at fixing cars as an attack on their status. I don't especially value myself based on my ability to fix cars, so my assessment might be whether the commenter just made an observation or intended it as an attack. (Either way I'd probably shrug and agree with them. The commenter would probably then take the tool and show me how to do it correctly. It probably won't take. And there, in a nutshell, is my ISTJ-INFP relationship growing up...)
Thanks again for this thoughtful comment.