2020 Arnold Classic - Recap & Analysis
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- Опубліковано 7 бер 2020
- Reviewing 2020 Arnold Classic, Men's Open category, featuring the top 4 callout at prejudging:
1. William Bonac
2. Dexter Jackson
3. Big Ramy
4. Steve Kuclo
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I swear, the company that films these shows must actually hate bodybuilding or something. It is possibly the easiest sport in the world to film. One camera directly in front of the competitors is all that is needed for 95% of the posing routine.
And the lighting too! Why do we need pulsating red lights from the side? What is that adding?
Agree... Its crazy
Yeah, we need a plain colour background too. Depending on where they stand can make or break them?
Sergio backed up what he said to Patrick lol
He sure did he came in looking great
Ikr
Sad to see that is true, even as a Patrick fan.
However, how the fuck did Steve Kuclo get 4th instead of S.O.Jr?
@@vasred4265 hahaha bro right wtf was that...even patrick looked better in my opinion...they keep reward him for being big lol
I was really surprised by the sudden appearance of that Cedric Mcmillen guy. Had never heard of him before, must be a rookie on a special invite.
??
Lol bruh 😂😂
Yeah, he shows good promise.
@md cool I think he's being sarcastic.
@md cool sarcasm
Patrick Moore was waaaaaay off he looked like a kid among men
sad but true
The hype train was sick with this guy too.
He turned up with baby legs and over Synthol'd biceps.
@@ClickClack_Bam He used synthol? :O
@@ClickClack_Bam definately no synthol in his body
patrick looked more natural than the rest... he is a midget on this contest, but the best waist and proportion... i dont know what is the category but damn, i dont know how to judge this contest.
Dexter looked very good. Great start for the last year of the Blade.
Steve goes to my home gym when he’s in town so I generally like him a lot but tbh he didn’t deserve 4th at all. I think 6th would have been generous considering how good maxx Charles and Sergio Olivia looked
Sergio looked great! Would have no problem with him in 4th
How do we get the IFBB to standardize on a NEUTRAL background!!!??
You kidding they would lose their ability to manipulate who wins easily if they did that. I've heard from so many competitors even judges the IFBB does what makes money not always what's right I mean look at the 80 and 81 Olympia. And if you were Coleman wonthere's no way Ronnie Coleman or Dorian Yates should have won with those massive injuries they had. As much as I hate to agree with Sean Ray they need to rotate the judges
@@BJETNT : Fair point, but there are some things money can't buy, like integrity.
@@Giuvannuzzeddu that is an even more fair point! it's too bad we can't buy integrity because there's a not a lot going around nowadays. Bodybuilding show should not be run like a business it should be the best person up there at the time. I've seen so many shows that aren't like that though. I'm 44 and I've been watching this stuff since I was 16. I actually had a female competitor tell me in my twenties there was literally three times my size that they told her two weeks before the show she wasn't going to place in the top five. And they never even saw what shape she was in I didn't really believe her honestly until she showed me pictures. she was bigger than the current Miss Olympia at the time and in great shape. That's what made her quit bodybuilding. Kind of like the 1980 Mr Olympia with Mike mencer and Arnold Schwarzenegger. That was the most rigged s*** I've ever seen in my life. I couldn't believe Schwarzenegger would actually take the trophy.
Akim looked amazing. Honestly thought he could have placed higher. Kuclo had no business being top 4. Zero back and cloudy abs get rewarded apparently
Agreed! With Akim's sheer size, when he nails his conditioning he's going to be a very serious contender. His legs looked amazing and his arms are just nuts
Kuclo looked like new kid in the gym....fuck
Akim and Maxx certainly brought better package and conditioning than this wonder man Kuclo
Max has no calves or quads. Kuclo mops the floor with him
akim has no back and cloudy abs also though?
I really like the conditioning on Morgan Aste and Maxx Charles, honestly I can't figure out why Maxx wasn't in the top 5.
Top 5 no. His legs weren't good enough and his shape is kinda wonky. But he brought really hard conditioning and has some standout body parts, especially shoulders and abs. Should've been given more looks at least.
Maxx needs to do more shows for sure this year to solidly himself
I don’t have an eye for bodybuilding but I agree. If you want conditioning and better midsections you have to reward it. I have no clue how you can place high when you have no visible abs. Abs should be among the most important body parts and if your abs have no definition it should be judged just as hard as if you had terrible delts or quads
Maxx Charles have some suspicious points
Arthur Salomão like synthol?
Don't follow bodybuilding super close but your videos, even older videos like this, are more than enough to scratch that itch between Olympias
Thanks for putting out great content my man, pretty much the only guy who focuses on the bodybuilding instead of selling out or posting endless drama bullshit or 'updates' with no actual information just to get views when there aren't any big shows coming up
I agree with your analysis. If you note your poses and placements throughout, you gave 4 of the 8 poses to Rammy(Front double bi, Front lat Spread, Ab and thigh, and Most Muscular), along with no worse than 3rd in the others. Bonac won 3 of them(Back double, Back lat Spread, and side tricep), and Dexter won the side chest.
Interesting things to note, Dexter was put in last place in the side tricep, front lat spread, and in the Ab and thigh. He also only won one pose, but he did place second in the back poses. Personally, I had Big Rammy winning it after looking at the footage and a few HD picks. Bonac has downsized a lot since he left Niel Hill, and it's leading towards him being dwarfed by even Dexter in some shots. I also noticed a assymmetry between Bonac's right and left legs. The right leg is smaller if you look closely, and it hurts his symmetry.
If Ramy was say 10% drier he would've deserved the win. Bonac had the polish more deserving of a champion but Ramy still should've taken second IMO. At least it was very close between him and Dex. Kinda perplexing though on second glance how Dex still beat him at prejudging despite never once standing in the middle...🤔
@@Tomn8er I don't know either.Either way, Rammy absolutely dwarfed these guys like Coleman did Lee Priest. I get detail is important, but this is open bodybuilding. Size should count for something.
@power house
Ramy had at least 90# on Bonac and Dexter. You don't beat that kind of muscle with only conditioning.
Judging standards have changed so much and I don't believe if you were in the audience at the Arnold Classic, your eyes would have been drawn to Bonac and Dexter before you 'noticed' how much of a muscle monster Ramy was.
Ramy IMO is in the same shape Cutler was when he beat Coleman; looks hard and separated from the front but less so from the back.
IMO Ramy is just getting screwed.
@power house I see conditioning, but fullness, density and balance? Bonac has zero ab definition. His waist is as wide as Rammy's, but his frame is half as wide. His legs are assymetrical, the left one having lingering injuries from last year. He has downsized considerably from a few years ago. Rammy is fuller everywhere but the lats and calves, and he's wider than a house.
Why are people acting like Bonac is some flawless embodiment of aesthetics, conditioning, and balance? He's no 2011 Phil Heath, not in size, fullness, density, etc. He has his flaws, and those flaws are showcased standing beside Rammy.
@power house How is Bonac denser? The only poses he fills out better are the back double, back lat spread, and side chest. Rammy most muscular, front double, and front last spread are much more saturated than William's on the other hand, especially if you actually take into account the legs.
Man I was impressed by maxx charles, really aesthetic physique and great conditioning, definately the best I've seen him in a long time.
Also Akim had probably the best legs in the show, especially from the side. Not as sharp in the upper body though, thats probably why he only placed 7th.
Biggest disappointments of the weekend were Patrick Moore (who most likely over dieted, he looked kinda small and soft) and Josh Lenartowicz (he shouldn't have done the show, you could tell he wasn't ready especially from the back).
When I watched the show live I thought everyone was off until I realized it was the bad quality of the stream lol
Same I thought Ramy was a water buffalo when he first came out but he actually wasn't that bad at all
I agree. But i was MOST impressed by Akim Williams. He always comes in with that film of water but he actually looked reallllly good. I was most dissapointed with Pat Moore. However, hes young and he just needs to catch up on size.
Joshua is last place for me, even Morgan showed a better and more consistent package, he should take the rest of the year off just to properly heal and come back in 2021 i better shape.
Patrick should do the same, he needs to gain a lot of leg size to be able to hang with the top 6, he has the structure and the muscle shape to be great, he just needs to do what 7x 212 champion did, take a year off to grow and show less weaknesses.
Finally your analysis! Thanks Tom!
I think Ramy was indeed having trouble to hold the poses, he has never been like that before, we've never seen Ramy not being able to flair those lats across 2 time zones, i think if he had been able to contract and hold the poses better, it would have been enough to win because it would have given enough time for the judges to appreciate his muscularity and dimensions next to Bonac.
I say he deserves to lose based on not being able to display his body properly to the judges, it's the same argument in which i think Rhoden beat Phil in 2018, single shots taken in your best moment don't count for a comparison round.
He tried a different back lat spread in the prejudging. But on night show comparisons he was back doing that manta ray full lat spread.
Looking at the scores Ramy would probably have gotten 2nd if he posed better. His lat spread was hella bad and side tri was weak aswell.
Dude you got to come back to videos, I only just recently started watching your channel, and it is the most in depth and comprehensive show i have seen.
Take care my man
It's unfortunate how little good video footage there's been from the Arnold. The whole event has been a let down lol
haha meanwhile ramy forgot how to hit the back lat spread
I do think he was either cramping or having some issue. It's always been one of his best poses. Seemed like in general he was having a tough time holding poses.
@@skatevidcentral ramy was trying to copy how dexter hits the back latspread pose. if you notice dexter doesnt stretch himself so he regains some thickness. in the night show im sure they told him that pose didnt work for him so he switched back to his regular. the way dexter does it is very good i think it needs more practice mind muscle connection.
I think it's probably his shoulder injury even when he was hitting the front lat spread his shoulders looked awfully uneven which could be an argument for mind muscle connection but big Ramy has never had that problem until now
@@aallii1997 its not a problem, he wanted to copy how dexter hits it, not stretching the back too much to maintain details. in the night show ramy went back to the old way of hitting it. im sure they told him dexter style isnt working for him.
Oh awesome. Glad Bonac is hitting the side tri how he used to.
Great video! Bonac's waist is in pretty good shape here, which is very important for his structure.
Was waiting for this vid
I seen bonacs gut look a little strange through some of these poses. I dont like his physique.
Shawn Edwards he has very super short torso and narrow clavicles
i dont like it either... despite his physical structure..he able to win
Name a pose where his gut looked suspect?
You do know they're judged by the actual pose right? Not when they're relaxed etc.
Anyways you're by yourself with that bullshit. Bonac smashed everybody by a landslide and his gut was in check the entire time.
Me neither man. Ramy had the more pleasing physique imo.
Iron Bear this is based on structure, bonac short torso and narrow clavicles, kai greene also short torso but wide clavicles.
I remember when Victor was gonna do that twist in the front double, the camera just changed the focus and putted the zoom in somewhere else
Excellent analysis. Quite fair.
Steve needs to work on his back
Big Ramy was the best! Dexter Jackson is 99 years old and still killing the game!! He was winning when I was like 6, he's still winning
thats damn good analysis. I´ll be back! for more videos
I gotta say Kuclo is just getting better and better and better.
Bonac in amazing shape to begin with but when they turned around for the double back he just wiped everyone out wow, his back detail is ridiculous. One of the best backs in the game period. Props on his win.
Man an awesome analysis I cudnt agree more on this one... Kudos! Mmmm wats ur take on @10:02 when bonac is transitioning to another pose?
The lighting in thumbnail is awsum
I don’t even like bonac but he was just better than everyone. For once they got first place right. Max should have been top 5 if not 3. Sergio backed up and predicted EXACTLY what would happen to Patrick. I don’t get what happened. He looked better the week before. 🤷♂️ good video, always good to see you post 🤝
Kuclo in 4th is a disgrace. He looked like he was off season. Max Charles ripped to shreds, 8th. Ridiculous. Morgan Aste should have placed a couple of places higher as well.
I think dex was off in the pre but at night came back way better and imo looked like the front runner at the night show. Bonac looked faded and too blocky next to dex
When I saw Ramy not spreading his lats, I thought he must be dealing with an injury or something. But now that you mention it, he might have been cramping up. Because there were other times he did appear to spread his lats normally, but then other times he just absolutely did not.
I think overall Ramy looked really good, and probably would have had him 2nd. I do prefer his physique over Bonac's as far as aesthetics go.
Or some posing expert told him to do it so to look more dense.
Ramy tried a different back lat spread in the prejudging. But on night show comparisons he was back doing that manta ray full lat spread. He was absolutely incredible on night show and should have won it all.
“Because to be honest, that livestream is garbage” HAHAHAHHAA LOL 😂😂
why does the person with bigger guts always wins? Where can i sign up?
They had lighting on point for the most part in the 90's
and now it's rare a show is light properly to show the physiques in a
flattering way.
Is this from the pre-judging or the finals?
5:13 Look at the far left. William bumped Steve's back while prepping his back double. And instead of passive aggressively bumping elbows, Steve simply looked over, acknowledged his surroundings, and shifted just a teeny bit to his left to give them *both* some more room.
It really is a breath of fresh air to see the competitors using their human-common-sense, as opposed to their meat-head-this-my-spot-MOVE, brain.
Kudos to Steve for keeping it copacetic.
Can you possibly talk about Maxx Charles in your next vid too? He was the only guy with fully striated pecs and it seemed like he didn’t get a great comparison from the judges.
Yeah I'll try to fit him in
The conditioning is ok...no one brough good contitioning in is line up
In regards to ramy missing the rear lat spread, I heard his coach say his thumb kept slipping from the oil so he couldnt get it anchored properly
wtf happened to ramys rear lat spread? At the 2017 mr o he was so wide in that pose, he almost didn't fit on the stage.
Steve has been building up his reputation through going to the Arnold, then winning a small show and attending the Olympia for years now. I think if both Sergio and Steve wouldve debuted at this Arnold Classic Sergio wouldve had that 4th place on lockdown. This is a good example that track record means something
"track record" shouldnt mean anything IMO, but of course it does. It should be up to who looks best on that night. I assume the judges have so little time to actually look at everyone, that they sort of start off judging them by their "track record". Guys like Max Charles and Akim sort of get lost in the mix even though they are improving.
How is Kuclo was better than Max? Kuclo looks so flat, especially the back has no detail. Btw I agree with all the orders in your comparison well done!
Can someone download me on why kuclo placed higher than sergio?
whats up with Bonac's left leg ???
The frequency of the panning shots and the diagonal shots from the bottom right were infuriating. Very hard to compare when all you can see is either one competitor or a close up of one mans calves
Make another one for the finals
Maybe I’m crazy, but I really do believe there should’ve been at least one call out between Ramy and Bonac. If that had happened, it’d at least be a close call.
ramy has the ugliest physique i have ever seen, nothing aesthetic about it.
wouldnt make any difference they stood beside eachother consistently.
@@c.f.875
Jay Cutler???
Compare Ramy to Cutler when he won his Mr. Os, same pros and cons.
They're strong from the front, less so from the back.
Yet the IFBB judges decided Jay was good enough to beat Ronnie, but Ramy isn't graded good enough to beat Bonac and the Blade, BBers Ramy outmuslces by almost 100#.
The judging criteria was bullshit.
Steve Kuclo looked way out of his depth against these guys. Great analysis from the Tominator. Thanks!
You will be back!
Good video bro
Big Ramy didn't have enough space for many of the poses, especially the back poses. Big Ramy needed more space.
Thanks for the video! I wanted Ramy to win... He has improved a lot but still he doesn't have the super defined look... :(
7:26 No dexter not the front triceps.. The side triceps ..Dex when they say side triceps then hit the side triceps and let it come out and if you don't have it dont hit it..
This was just a joke
“C’mon Franco, what is this bullshit? No side chest Franco not front chest side, yahyeah things change a bit when we go to da side *laughter* look Franco what you have to do is when I say side chest, hit de side chest and let it come out, and if you don’t have it, don’t hit it. *laughter* don’t hit it.” -Arnold Schwarzenegger
How tall is Bonnac?
Yeah it's hard to tell anything from this footage. They all blend together
Who would one rather look like here? DeX over bonac
I hate the background too, same for Olympia, why can’t they just have a simple light background!?
1) Kuclo should be super happy with his placing, might not happen for him again. And i will give it to him. He looked strong.
2) Patrick Moore was small asl.
3) Victor has palumboism all day long.
4) Sergio Olivas cobra pose was pretty epic. One of the best ever.
Overall pretty amzaing AC. One of the best in years.
Agreed with all except for Vic having palumboism. You seen how massive his biceps still are?
@@Tomn8er yeah it was bit of a overkill. His midsection was always big, but when he lets it go it starts to get pretty bad. +u can see his stomach from the back in some shots which is not bueno. He got old. His back double still looks nice tho.
Ramy’s delts, Williams bi’s and Cedric’s tris seem to have synthol n them
I'm So Upset With Ramy!
All 4 looked pretty good to me but i think they all looked a bit soft. It seen that anyone these days can't hit that grayni conditioning!
6:15 Clearly Ramys right leg was twitching. He mist have struggled holding the pose.
Why does big ramy not hit a grab most muscular?
a hands on hip or hands clasped MM showcases his thickly built physique better. the crab pose favours sharp separation and superb conditioning, which ramy lacks.
i have to wait 90 days to change my name But have you seen how incredible he looks when he does do it? And he was going to hit it but then decided not to do it
Sarcev footage has some yellow light effect . Makes Rami look yellow 🍋🍋🍋
Looks like Dexter got some synthol in his front delts, and triceps...
I agree. I just think Ramy should have come in 2nd. I mean its 1 point, but still he won more poses than Dexter. Dex is retiring, so im down with him getting 2nd. Ramy has many more years to go.
Ive been noticing less bubble guts in open bodybuilding lately.
00:25 - 00:42 kuclos silhoutte is impressive,never noticed before
"tumurous" lmao hilarious description
Remember when Dorian Yates said he never reached his “size” potential because he always came in razor sharp conditioning. He was around 270 sharp
For real 270??? Coulda sworn it was more like 250...massive back never massive from the front....google does seem to confirm u
nomar manuel-munoz I watched his interview where he said that. Imagine him in our days where conditioning is not that valued....he would be bigger than Big Ramy
My prediction was right on the money but I would have comprised as #1 Bonac ,,,,,,, #2 Dexter..
#3 Cedric...
#4 Ramy...
To me.. bonac's left leg it's smaller. Hi's mid section is crap he's conditioning was great and the best on the stage
Dexter's left arm it's smaller small legs. No calvs.. his mid section was really improved since the mr. O.
Ramy is very complete. But still his conditioning was off. Kuclo was in his best version. But, his back is a weak point
Still do not understand how Kuclo is 4th.
4:39 "No striations at all" on Big Ramy. Freeze it at 4:40 and compare. His left pec is striated as good as Dexter's, better that Bonac's and bigger than all of them. Bizarre.
Bonnac looks extremelly Blocky. He has not enough ripcage to hit proper poses. He is hard and thick, ok, but...
And what is happening with Bonac's tights. They are shrinking from competition to competition.
Pause the video at 2 min s on the mark, you can see clearly see Bonac slightly edging out dex. I love how Bonac flexes his left peck when doing the pose. Makes him look sharper.
His side chest gives it away his lower arm is level with his rib cage the other three it rests closer to their waist
Bonac destroyed to all very easily. Greatness.
No-one has more round muscles than Bonac - except maybe Phil Heath. But like Heath, Bonac's structure is so narrow, that to me he still does not look good. Short, stumpy, bloated and big assed. Give me a 70's Arnold anyday. That's how the open class should look, and I know we have "Classic" for us admirers of proportion and beauty. I don't have a problem with Bonac winning "Most Muscular" but to win a title of this calibre and say to the world "this is the best bodybuilder in the World" - well I don't think we are doing the sport any favours.
And I know it's a niche sport - using the word sport very loosely - but Arnold brought it to the masses and made it popular because of how he looked. Choosing Bonac as the winner, won't help us with the general public - and once again, I know it's not about that.
Saying that, who would I have chosen as the winner of the Open class. Hmmm, actually I don't like any of the Open class guys much anymore.
Alex, who won classic has a much "nicer" body that anyone in the Open Class.
Max Charles was the only one to bring conditioning.
Is it just me or Bonacs left leg is slightly smaller and more conditioned than the right one
He apparently had circulation issues last year maybe that's why
Damn, Rami was posing so badly, shaking and kinda unsure how to hit the poses right, its very obvious since William and Dexter next to him do it so much better.
Good analysis. Fair, but i still think Ramy brings the best overall package. This isn't classic physique, it's open. Size and structure matter. Just my opinion.
Ramy's legs are too much... it messes up how his structure and lines look.
Ramy was in good shape
Dexter had nothing to show for 2nd place, to be honest..and Ramy came in huge and pretty lean, even tho it wasnt what we hoped for he was amazing
I wonder when will any of the teams or production behind such events realise that without proper lighting and cinematography (not to mention a HQ livestream) people will lose interest and it will only generate a furious response in general. I am baffled over the crappy visual representation of these shows. Go look back at the 90s or even mid 2000s. The 2009 Olympia - though had this distinctive golden shine over everything - had one of the best lightings ever, no wonder everyone looked amazing there. But even 09 Cutler would look "nah..." under these circumstances.
It would also be beneficial so these guys wouldn't deceive us with those mirror/bathroom/hotel room selfies...rarely any of those exquisite details come by on-stage. And also they couldn't say that "there were improvements, it's just the lighting..." like a _certain_ athlete did. Maybe...but with a uniform and good lighting, they would look comparable. Camera ISO was also heavily off so the darker toned athletes lacked any detail.
Crazy. I hope the new olympia management/owner will turn their attention to this issue and handle it with professional attitude.
8:30 watch how Dexter's abs slowly pop out at you
Bro Kuclo deserved the win and should be a top contender for Mr Olympia do you agree?
Max Charles got screwed, he should of been in the top 4
Idk I see some evidence for hate on big ramy’s conditioning but come on the details in his legs and glutes are fucking absurd from the side. Like his legs legit be looking like some type of different species from all angles except directly from the back. Like holy details from the side and from the front it looks more like like some type of halo Spartan armor than quads xD
Williams left legs were comparitively small from right even in arnold ohio
Ramy looked great!
Amazing, Rammy looks like a Riped TRex, what a beast!
Big Ramy clearly beats every one in the complete lineup 💪
I don't know who's who, wish you would've labeled them as you went