Romulan Valdore Class (Full Breakdown/Analysis)
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It is a beautiful design! It is very much the Sovereign class of the Romulan imperial navy.
No it is more like the Akira class and vor'cha class ships in the romulan navy. It not as powerful as the d'deridex.
@@demetriusjohn8534 D'Deridex was the ship that walked in for the Romulan when shit was not going right or they needed to persuade someone or something to see things the romulan way..Also if I knew a flight of D'Deridex's were moving around under cloak I'd be nervous..
Valdore is more like the Norway and Akira Class ships, highly maneuverable and lethal..Quick blows and out..The Sovereign was an assault cruiser heavily armoured and highly armed but not as maneuverable..We saw this happen in Nemesis when the scimitar took out the warbirds with relative ease, took one warbirds wing right off and blew the underside of the other clean off..
I said DESIGN.. you know it's shape.. powerful and graceful at the same time..
Can no one read anymore?
After seeing mainly Klingon warships in the majority of Trek movies, It was nice to see the Romulan ships show up.
Paused it when you were discussing the bridge design and how it used all sorts of props laying around in the “Trek warehouse “ since the 80s.
That and the comment about budget concerns clearly shows that Nemesis was about the systemic shutting down of the Franchise
I like the name Valdore class the best. Great looking ship.
this is my favorite Romulan ship, such a great design
High speed, highly maneuverable, very low profile, excellent cloak, good ECM, pretty good range. Great firepower, decent defensive features. Low crew. Lower cost. Faster and easier to mass produce. The Valdore class is both the workhorse and the greatest asset of the Romulan Star Empire. At the point where Shinzon is taken out, they should be able to rebuild their government and get their hands on the Scimitar blueprints at the Reman research facility. Even without Romulus, Romulans should kick ass.
I always had the sense that the reasons for why the Valdores were taken out so easily in Nemesis when compared to the Enterprise-E was that Shinzon had the complete schematics for them, and thus knew exactly where to hit them to take them out. Plus the fact that, at that point, he still needed Picard alive for that blood transfusion to save his life, considering that he was dying
Exactlly ... if Shinzon didnt needed Picard alive the Enterprise E would have been destroyed way sooner
Nice theory :)
Agreed. He knew precisely where to hit them.
That last point in particular. The Scimitar makes a D'Deridex look like a little puppy.
I had a geek-gasm when i first saw the Valdore on screen. It's sleek, elegant and sexy. My favorite Romulan design, followed closely by the Warbird. Would loved to have seen a fleet or battallion on screen, fighting the Scimitar.
Valdore Class is a direct answer to the dominion war. Faster, more agile, maneuverable and heavily armed. It has a low profile but not from the top or buttom this is a weak point.
No thats the kerchan which is the replacement to the d'deridex
I had always Thought that the Brown colored one was either a prototype, or an unfinished ship. They looked so new to the viewer, I imagined that they were also new to the Romulans.
I always thought that too they didn't get around to finishing it no paint job but everything else was working lol
The different names could be sub-type configurations. Kinda like WWII IJN Fubuki-class destroyers. Thet had 2 subtypes on the same hull frame. Ayanami-class and Akatsuki-class.
The Mogai is a beautiful piece of work and a worthy successor to the lessons learned during the Dominion War.
Pssssst, hey,.......you looking for some Romulan Ale for Monday night?
Valdore was the name I heard first so it sticks with me. Plus its an aggressive name so I think it fits! Also this episode looks beautiful! The images and animations looks amazing!!! I'd love to see you guys do an animation of it fighting the Sovereign! Anyway great episode, and thank you very much for you time and efforts! Take care guys and have a great new year!!!
I love the Valdore class!
Glad we can finallly see different aspects of this ship! So little was shown in the movie considering that it was an all-new design. I really appreciate you guys showing it from all angles and perspectives like nobody else does!
Their huge size all makes sense now. JJ Abrams clearly works for the Romulans.
at first I thought tal shiar but id say reman given the size of the scimitar
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I like calling it the Mogai class. This is an awesome ship.
When I first saw them in the movie, in the theater, I was wowed, exclaiming, "Romulan Battlehawks!" I thought that was such a cool name.
One of the things I really like about this class is that the nacelles are not at the ends of the “wings” but the wings actually extend beyond them. This gives the impression that they are merely on a mount point on the “wing” structure as opposed to the end. Most of the ships basically have the nacelles on the ends of the struts and no matter how fancy they look; they still look like glorified nacelle struts. This gives it a more “fighter jet” feel to it.
It isn't uncommon in Navy terms to name sub classes of ships as something different, the County Class Cruiser for ex has several named sub-types, so Valdor, Mogai and nerixan could be just sub classes of the same ship
Super late, but I can see it being a bit like the F-35. F-35A being a regular fighter jet, F-35B having VTOL system, and F-35C being made with aircraft carriers in mind with larger folding wings.
Some changes to better suit the role, but a common frame to make production run smoother.
Beautiful ship. My favourite Romulan ship. For the longest time, this ship was my desktop wallpaper. Always hated the Romulan Warbird from TNG that always reminds me of a sitting duck than a warbird. The Valdore class looks like it's got teetth and can run rings around its enemy in a firefight. Awesome vid, guys and thanks for posting.
Valdore was named after the Romulan Admiral in Enterprise. he was in charge of the Drone ships
Such a beautiful ship design.
N'ryxan-class, definitely, though it is reasonable to assume Starfleet would give it their own name at first before discovering what the official Romulan word is for this class of ship. It is sleek, very raptor-inspired, and very much a descendant of the Bird of Prey...if canon memory serves me right, we've always known there was a Klingon-Romulan technology trade. I've always been in love with the D'deridex-class, but you both were very right about it...it doesn't look like it was built for speed, just for sheer size and imposing presence. "Mogai" doesn't sound very Romulan to me, but if the Titan series is canon and they refer to it as such, who am I to argue with them? Just know that I will always refer to it as either "N'ryxan" or "Valdore". Great episode, Trekyards, and thank you for the review!
A very excellent episode!
This ship looks so cool. Love it design!
Never got the large wings that has nothing meaningful but a large shooting area for the enemy
The D’deridex is designed as a show of strength, the Valdore is designed to be an efficient hunter.
I finally saw Nemesis yesterday. I thought that I had seen all trek, but alas missed the latest one (chronologically speaking). These ships were amazing.
As you guys kinda said, even mirroring even the Sovereigns move from the Galaxy to a more sleek and battle focused design, the Valdore is the upgrade if you will to the big bulky D'deridex and keeps true to the Romulan design.
I loved the terminology of "thoroughtly less hittable"! and the rendered shots of a D'deridex flanked by these beauties were a gorgeous fleet shot for the romulans.
I really like the Valdore - in fact all of the TNG Romulan designs are great in my opinion (apart from the Scimitar, which I think was plain dumb). The huge size of the Romulan vessels compared to there Starfleet counterparts can be taken to show a lack of technological sophistication or the ships being designed with different mission profiles in mind.
Wow. That's bigger than I thought.
The most beautiful star trek vessel ever designed and my personal favorite
Valdore-class for me. I possess unending love for this ship.
Maneuverable, lots of fire power, definitely a sleek looking ship.
I was thinking about this ship last week. To bad we did'nt get much of a view after nemesis. Its very cool and sleek!
I dig the Valdore. Mogai class. Graceful lines, doesn't have the bulk of the D'Deridex, yet manages to pack enough menace that it's not easy pickings. It was one of the few good things to come out of Nemesis, along with her captain. ;)
Would love to see this ship show up in the Picard show.
While it has clear ties to the Klingon BoP, it can also be viewed as the purest (to date) distillation of the BoP we see in Balance of Terror. That had the Bird as hull decoration, whereas this is the Bird itself in the form of a ship.
As for the BoP, in universe I believe the Klingons and Romulans worked on the ship together, tweaking an existing Klingon design for use with the cloaking device. Their technology exchange program would still have been in effect, and prior to their withdrawal after Undiscovered Country, they would have still been behind in ship building, still cranking out variations on the D7 and incorporating elements of it into their own ships, but not in huge numbers. It fits in well with the retro BoP from Enterprise, and is a good way to infuse the Klingon wing design into Romulan shipbuilding. From there it all diverges - the Klingons stick with the core BoP design, and find that it scales well, is cheap to produce, and can be modded easily. The Romulan aesthetic demanded it look better, more Romulan, so the Bird Of Prey, which would change to Warbird because it's just awkward to share a ship name with the Klingons, became the distinguishing element.
So when we saw Commander Donatra she was commanding the first ship of that class since her ship was the Valdore. Assuming the first ship and the class are the same name.
You guys are great!
First...
And I actually watched the video before commenting, the valdore looks so cool!! Those pontoon nacelle things makes it look like the ship could land on a surface or water.
Nice design!
I think it would go "" blub blub 💦 '" though 😂😅😂😅😂😅😂😅
@@mysticmarble94 I think it would float.. Its wings are wide enough and long enough to create a Lil boyounce or however its spelled
@@iantolyczak8411 Buoyancy. And the Valdore-class has none!
It could land on a surface though if there was a pylon thing to hook under the main body part and the wings could hang over the side
One thing I've always felt from Romulan designs, especially during TNG, was that while the Romulans could match the Federation in technology, to do so they had to pay the price of much bulkier equipment. I mean, just look at the size difference between the Galaxy class and the Romulan Warbird. Yet the Romulan's felt they needed two warbirds to match Enterprise. Also add to that the early TNG episodes establish the Warbirds are slower than the Galaxy and have to burn out their engines to beat them in speed.
The Valdore is the Romulans finally getting good enough to scale down without losing effectiveness. You likely could build 2-3 Valdores for what it cost in raw resources for an Old Warbird.
The Federation has, besides some obvious exceptions, some of the best technology in the Galaxy. The reason it doesn't always come across is because it's mostly civilian - better replicators, holograms, that sort of thing. The Klingons beat them in ship design, the Romulans beat them in ship production capacity, cloaking, and weaponry, and the Dominion has some obvious advantages in genetic engineering and military technology, but as a whole the Federation is much more advanced. You just don't tend to see standard of living when a Jem'Hadar battlecruiser is barreling down on you.
Great looking ship.
Mogai class for me. Valdore is name for the ship, commanded by Donatra.
With present-day programmable or intelligent precision munition in mind, I think negative space doesn't reduce the risks of being a target very much, let alone centuries later. That said, this Romulan ship is a beauty.
Love the design
"Cannon" was the first word that came to mind when I saw this ship. Very Romulan ship, great design. What's the best name for the ship Valdore, Norexan, Mogai? I prefer Mogai myself.
shooting cannonballs? That's not canon.
@@marqsee7948 Fire everything!
It looks like the TNG era ship was built to intimidate the Galaxy-class starship and the Dominion War they must have found many flaws and the biggest one was that it could not be mass produced. Also possible power issues and the advancement of technology they decided it was better to build a new ship also refit the ones they did have. Also, Starfleet is doing it we better get working.
I donno the warbirds weren't fighting ships, they were basically mobile bases to launch off tal shiar operatives or something like that.
Call it the Valdore Class Romulan ship. Call it the Mogai(?) Class Klingon ship since we're all one big happy fleet by the year 2400. Unification by the big 3 powers in the Alpha Quadrant.
Guys, didn’t your mums teach you that, “2 K’Vorts don’t make a right!” 🤣
Looks like the V-30 Winged Defender class heavy cruiser updated.
Its like a "Adastra superyacht trimaran"...cool!
I love the Valdore class.
love this ship.
I would say Mogai class, but then i play STO. As for classification, The D'deridex is like a battleship this class is like a cruiser it is more practical for patrolling and response than having a ship to big for some things.
Fantastic design, I always thought it was spot on
I believe the valdore class ship is more or less comparable to that of.the Akira and vor'cha class ships in terms of firepower and shields. I believe they wanted a ship with reasonably high firepower with reasonable numbers. That why you have more of them then d'deridex, similar in concept to the Akira and vor'cha even though vor'cha is older then negh'var class.
I find it hard to believe that the D'Deridex ever made up the majority of the Romulan fleet. The only reason we see it so much in TNG/DS9/VOY was due to budgetary concerns. I find it more likely that the Mogai class is a replacement for an ageing cruiser as opposed to the D'Deridex which is a Battleship. Different ships for different roles.
The only thing I can add is that the food replicators on this ship were able to absolutely nail Yorkshire Pudding and gravy
My STO Romulan Republic engineering character uses this ship from time to time as well as the Faeht class.
Aelahl is also beautiful ship imo.
damn i love this design
Fabulous ship .
So - can we get consensus on what width the D'Deridex was mean't to be? As I remember it being wider (and squatter) than this.
A beautiful ship.
love that ship
Until we get a class name on screen (therefore in canon) I think Valdor type work for now.
The size, although smaller than the d’deridex, says battle cruiser rather than small bird of prey.
That’s just my opinion your results may vary
I think that the Valdore could be said to be a version of that class. Like a Command variant.
The books mention the Romulan Navy has several classes that were meant to never operate outside Romulan space. this could be one of them.
The Iowa class battleships we're bigger bow to stern then the Yamato, but in terms of displacement, didn't even come close.
It's a Klingon Bird of Prey with a different head and two added nacelles. That's it. I don't know how this gets passed off as a Romulan ship.
Norexan class sounds cool. Great Romulan ship
Very, I always "Valdore" was the ships name in Nemesis not the classification name
4:46 I’d like to hear John Eaves’ thoughts on designs like the Terrorbird and Vas’deletham.
9:45 If Voyager can hit a photonic missile from orbit then they’ll be able to hit the Valdore. A much better explanation would be that they take less time and resources to (re)build.
damn, that makes 3 Trek ships I would love to have a good 3D model for renders (that are not 3D-printer spaghetti-mesh or broken 3ds/max files). Like the D7/k'tinga and D6(Axanar), that is a beautiful ship. I guess I'll just need to get better at making 3D stuff and just make them myself for 3delight rendering, it will only take ten or more years to get that good, lol.
Great vid Samuel and Foley. B)
P.S. no I'm not actually asking for the production models, I know better and don't want y'all to get in trouble. It's nice to see them as is in your vids. Besides, I don't think my computer has the memory to render out the actual models, lol.
Just looking a the picture, my mind is wondering whats with the air scoops.
The only reason I liked the warbirds was that one cutscen in Star Trek Armada when the defiant flys through one blowing it away.
Those cut-scenes were epic. I loved those games.
The Romulan high command was like, the battle cruiser is awesome, during the Federation Romulan cold war, than the Dominion out maneuvered it and out gunned it, let's keep the fire power and add maneuverability great build it, yes praetor...
the Romulans have fine taste ;)
Always thought the Valdore began on the design table after the failed attack on the founders home world and the intel Starfleet shared with the romulans. Also I feel it’s build and ext. was speed up during d demion was as the duderadex couldn’t handle the manoverability of the galor class or demion attack fighters.
Honestly I love this ship, and I think I like the name mogai best. But while the ship is thinner than the old warbird it’s not thinner than other object like shuttles and torpedos that targeting sensors in Trek have no problem hitting so I don’t really know if it would provide any real difference to getting hit in combat it’s still pretty big ship.
Valdore Class!
Reminds me of the Klingon warbird, just much bigger and more powerful.
Valdore class fits the best!
Cool Shit! :)
Very nice animations! Like in the old days. love it! :)
I also like the design of the valdore but it looks fragile unlike the D´deridex ^^
Never stopped doing animations for full episodes! :)
I won't even upgrade my flagship in Star Trek Online from this, a sub-commander ship, to Double D tank when I progressed to the commander. This ship although it isn't that good in defend, its turn rate is much better.
My theory is there was a lot more Romulan/Klingon marriages than we were told about. I think TNG Romulans almost all have some Klingon DNA in them that is why they have some ridges on their heads the Vulcans do not. It also makes sense that the Romulans / Klingons that moved in together that Worf found while looking for his father in the TNG-DS9 crossover episode. Also house of Duras (and obviously other houses) were OK with Romulans, while the other houses were so against Romulans they were clearly secretly pro-Romulan.
Remans have exactly the same V-shaped head ridges like romulans. So the romulans are vulcans with a bit of reman blood. And a lot of romulans have not any ridges.
@@tomasr. Remans are also supposed to have started off as Vulcans as well... Doesn't seem like enough time has passed for them to become so dissimilar to Romulans and Vulcans... perhaps early Romulans cross-bread with another race to create Remans as a slave race... or perhaps genetic manipulation was involved.
@@BirdOPrey5 Well, they must have cross-breeded with Gargoyles!
@@BirdOPrey5 And maybe Remans were imported from another world as slave labor. Their origin is unknown. But that same V-ridge on their head says me, that they have some similarities with Romulans.
@@stanleyjedrzejczyk2966 They remind me of a cross between romulans and vampires.
Beautiful ship but damn the Romulan government for not helping the Enterprise. And damn the Federation fleet for not crossing border when the Flagship of Starfleet is in danger. And also damn the Klingons for passing up a chance to fight the Scimitar but they probably didn't know.
That government who died in the Romulan senate? I do not know why Starfleet should help, they're always somewhere else (probably at DS9). Remember Star Trek Generations at the scene , where they saving El-Aurians , Enterprise is only one ship in the Sol system and nearby 10 LY? And Klingon space is about 200 light years away from Bassen rift, so no chance to catch uber-cloaked Scimitar.
Should've stated Romulan military but they wanted to see how it turned out. Typical for Romulans. Also, Picard was trying to rendezvous with a fleet at border. The fleet should have crossed the border to meet Picard. And yeah, the Klingons wouldn't have made it. Just wishful thinking on my part. Though, how long does it take to cross 200 lightyears at Warp 9?
Love this ship! Was never a fan of the tng bloated warbirds
Are we SURE the size chart here has the right width for the D'Deridex? I always perceived it as wider.
I prefer the sleeker Valdore to the larger,bulkier D'deridex class.
I would have liked to see the other colour in more detail - I like the Bronze one too.
Also you didn't say where the CGI model came from this time ?
Its a fan model made by Adam Ross www.foundation3d.com/index.php?categoryid=38&p13_sectionid=310&p13_fileid=1873 downloadable here :D
@colorado121 The site is currently down and has been for a little while, we dont know when it will be up again
@colorado121 well it has come and gone over the past 2 years...we dont know if it will come back.
Dont know, probably somewhere.
My favourite all time ship of Star Trek. Its so sexy! Nice to know that out there are someone that like this bird as much as I do. By the way @trekyards : From where do you have these cool 3d renderings? Greets!
Your awesome
One of my main characters prime ships, the other is a T'lara.
Trekyards, can you do the ships from Star Trek Fleet Command next?
Beautiful ship, but in space it makes no sense to have a long skiny wings. Everything around a tight center makes more sns for so many reasons. Only reason would be engines need such a setup for radiation or some such issue. Would a ship this size ever go into an atmosphere? No alot of interior room for its size, and a pain to dock.
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I don't know what you call it, but until this thing came out, i thought the D'Deridex was the most beautiful non UFP ship we ever saw in ST TNG.
Valdore Class
It's sleeker...than the d'heradex, ha.
The Valdore is so awesome, the only way the D'deridex can match it is if it decloaked and 4 Defiants came bursting out from the negative space with phasers blazing!
its a product of dominion war as it was clear at that point the romulan star empire need smaller ships that can be made faster and 2 valdore class coming would be better than one ship trying to be bigger and stronger than enterprise E. scimitar was just an over the top ship half the size of a borg cube with a supper weapon. you could argue the cost of winning in fight of 2 valdore + enterprise E vs scimitar would not win as it was more picard vs clone giving time for data to decide to sacrifice himself to save the enterprise E and blow the ships supper weapon as it charged up for the most famous yet save in star trek. as far as sto the valdore is one of 2 variants one being ship of the line and valdore being fleet commander version having just better everything that you would not spend that much time tuning in during construction at a shipyard for a ship of the line.
Valdore VS Whitestar!!!!
She's a beau I'll take forty of them.