In theory, if the market grows enough then running a local vr-themed business (bar, arcarde etc) could open up the potential for higher end hardware to be more available to the average person. For example, a warehouse could be sensor'd up widely enough (in conjunction with a wireless headset or some mobile substitute) that the user could physically walk around the real world and vr in tandem. Or more tangibly just throwing a vr treadmill in a rentable arcade space so people could experience it for contained sessions. It's no solution to the issue, but interesting food for thought.
We've had those VR Arcades here in Toronto, but they quickly closed down dur to lack of interest. The biggest reason being VR is usually a more social experience and most gamers prefer playing solo
Thank you. I like to put a decent amount of research into my videos and cover things I don't see other people talking about. VR is an interesting problem because it's the first time I can think of a biological limitation being a major issue for designing a videogame.
I remember watching Patlabor 2 and the intro sequence to that movie has the labor pilot Noa test out a new VR control scheme for her mech, and she comments how it makes her feel sick which the mechanic replies people in the future will evolve to the new tech. I also remember when FPS games first came out how lots of people complained about motion sickness when playing them for the first time. So adaption really is key, plus having better tech with a higher FoV, resolution, and refresh rate will help out a lot.
If VR sickness is caused by sensory discordance, wouldn't improving visual fidelity just make it worse? Field of view, resolution, and refresh rate improvements can only increase the gap between sight and the sense of motion. VR goggles might be a dead end on the road to the fantasy we've been sold.
VR is just awesome and a revolution! Can't believe anyone would say it's just a fad or boring. Absolutely destroys playing games on flat tv too, especially for racing, flying and sport games! Perfect for table tennis, tennis, badminton..etc.. due to depth. Also, art stuff, travelling the world or meeting and chilling out with people in a virtual world (i.e. like in the Matrix movie). Way too awesome!
Thanks. It's all up to if people feel like spreading a video I made or not or if I happen to get lucky with the youtube algorithm. But either way I like making them and knowing others like them too is enough for me to continue no matter what the view count is.
Another good vid. Curious to see how much measures like reducing the FOV or adding static objects affect the amount of information read in fast-paced games like arena shooters. The Polygon YT channel recently uploaded a short video that explained how crosshairs and cursors also helped motion sickness in early first-person games. It turns out they had more utility than expected.
The biggest issue for me with any VR/3D effect is that there is no proper depth of field/focus on objects at different distances. If you look at a real object far away, objects right in front of you will be out of focus. You don't get that in VR/3D; as of right now, the technology doesn't seem to exist that tracks where your gaze is to allow for focusing/defocusing objects properly. That's what gives me headaches. I'm glad this video was made about the inner-ear sensory matching with what motion the eyes perceive; it's good that people are noticing the shortcomings and bringing focus (ha) to what needs improving.
Why would you complain about such a thing lol. That is a negative aspect of real life vision that we don't have to deal with in VR. It's the same in a regular video game in some games that is a graphical setting u can turn on or off
OhManTFE it's not the same as in "regular" video games, which are viewed on a 2D display without any genuine projection of depth. Depth of field was implemented in video games _because_ it's a realistic sensory effect of the human eye, and having that effect in a game simulates how the imagery would be viewed in the real world. There is no "dealing" with it in reality because it's not a negative - it's biologically correct. Your brain expects to receive focal information when viewing objects at different distances, and when it's being tricked into thinking it's seeing an environment in real space around you but there is no depth, it doesn't properly comprehend it. And it's a shortcoming of VR.
For me when playing vr, my brain focusses on what I'm looking at and blur's out what's around it. So for me there is no reason to do that, as far as I can see, that's like saying in real life the world needs to blur what your not looking at, when really it all happens in your brain. But that's just my experience.
You're right, and wrong on this. VR does have real life depth to it, but only up to a certain point of focal range, and your eyes do blur out the surrounding environment naturally when focusing on something within the focal range, so I'm not quiet sure where you are getting that from. When things get really close to the viewer's eyes, your eyes can't adjust naturally and make it sharp, but again, only up to a certain distance is this relevant. The visual range of depth isn't as large. Everything is more at the mid range, and things far away still feel far away, it's just that the resolution isn't there yet, so it's blurry and gives a false sense of depth. Oculus are working on fixing that already, and by all accounts, they've succeeded in doing so. Google Half Dome 3 and you'll see an actual working prototype of the new Oculus Rift.
It's crazy to me to see VR games with around 15 reviews. Like how can a development team even turn a profit if they sell less than 100 copies? That low budget cycle you mentioned is spot on.
David true! but NOSfusion have a point... many people dont want to buy VR just because motion sickness.. or they think its a gimmick for me its not, even when i exp motion sickness, and thought it was a gimmick before
I think with the valve index being top seller on steam for over a week, whoever makes the next AAA VR game after HLA will sell well since people will own the kits but be in need of games
I think the 20's will be the decade of VR and Alyx being the starting point of the whole rize of VR into the main stream and will be the building block that all other VR first person titles will build upon. I hope that is the case.
I had to return my VR headset bc of how little games I can play due to my motion sickness so I’m glad other ppl are experiencing this while means a fix may come
Here is part of the problem.. When we look around in real life our eyes don't just turn but actually swing side to side and even up and down. This causes objects closer to us to shift around faster in perspective faster than objects in the background which is how we see things naturally, not stationary to each other like a jpg image. Now objects will appear to be outside a window and not stuck to its frame like a picture. This will make any game feel much more real and also smoother because the entire screen is not shifting around at same speed. It's a simple fix for any game.. place the camera on the eyes and the pivot for the camera on the neck, that's it. Here is the fix shown in Skyrim exaggerated to show the effect: ua-cam.com/video/2JMmN9RfJQQ/v-deo.html
This is not needed in VR because you already have 6DoF and binocular 3d depth. Your eyes and head are moving through 3d space. On a 2d screen, I can see where this would apply, but if you added that into VR, it wouldn't look correct at all. It's the same thing motion blur tries to do, because your looking at something move on a flat screen. Motion blur in VR doesn't have the same effect, because again, its just not needed. Your eyes are already filling in the information.
Im so happy that I’m not susceptible to VR Motion sickness, I was really worried when I pulled the trigger on buying my first headset but I’ve been having a great time
I'm having a blast with my new oculus quest 2. Already, to me its given me the best gaming experience ever. Even the simple dungeon crawl like game in the RecRoom app (which looks like roblox graphics haha) was fun as shit. I got to shoot hordes of enemies down on my right hand and slash them with my left if they get too close.
Just commenting to say that this is another great video, and I hope your decision to play ads on videos results in your deserved popularity without coming at the cost of selling out. I haven't had the experience of VR myself, but I'm still not convinced it's anything more than a gimmick. When I think about the most immersive games I've ever played (Dark Messiah of Might and Magic, Half-Life 1), the biggest barrier to immersion in the first place was parsing game actions into physical controller actions (climbing ropes in Dark Messiah took some getting used to, for instance). With VR, even if I were to acclimate to the controls, I'd constantly be taken out of the experience by seeing my character's shaky grip on his gun/sword/whatever. If I have enough control over my character to point and shoot without worrying about bullet trajectory, that's good. If I constantly need to adjust my aim and see my imperfect human hand motions translated 1:1 into a video game, then that breaks immersion. Did you ever experience anything similar when you were playing VR?
To the first part, the amount of money youtube ads have given me since putting them on has been so low that I don't think it would even be able to "Sell out" on the pennies I have received assuming that stays around constant. For other two paragraphs I find finger tracking actually really helps with immersion as long as it's working. When it doesn't (say I try to grab something and it doesn't get grabbed) that effects immersion a bit. Aiming is harder in VR but at the same time it feels like shooting a real gun (minus the weight and recoil) because just like in real life I am not very good at shooting. On the other hand I have seen people who actually have good IRL gun aim do great in both light gun games and VR and so far I have seen the difficulty to aim actually increase my immersion.
I was always interested in the idea and had hoped it would eventually catch on but ever since Valve unveiled HL Alyx, I am pretty keen on getting an Index myself. I kind of think of myself being able to handle the disconnect that causes MS but even if at first it does affect me, I‘d want to keep on using it until I eventually get used to it. I just hope that after Alyx it really takes up flight.
I think its probably way better for beginners in vr to use a game controller with a joystick to move, instead of waving with hand hold controllers. Also use your eyes to look around, to avoid moving your head to much. And try to relax. Too much tension, and an expectation to feel sick, will increase the risk for how you dont want to feel.
I’m appareantly one of the rare few who is immune to motion sickness, and while that is nice I also very badly want everyone to be able to enjoy it, and I feel like developers with games that are currently stable and function fine should focus on making accessibity for everyone.
@@assassinaria I’ve got good spacial awareness, Altho I don’t remember if I was keeping track of stuff in my blind spots. Been a while since I last played
people forget when FPS games first showed face, like Doom and quake for example. people had SEVERE motion sickness playing those games as well... i remember being a kid and FPS games used to give me a car sick feeling. and for awhile i would think about playing FPS games on PS1 and my stomach would hurt just thinking of it. i think we just end up adapting over time. but its important to note if you feel sick in VR stop dont push through or it will become a pavlov dogs effect. you will get sick when you think of VR
I just finished watching a playthrough of Half-Life: Alyx, and I wanted to know if you planned to cover it or make an addendum to this video. HL:A is probably the best VR game ever made, and while that is a low bar, I think it has introduced many mechanics and conventions which developers will be copying shamelessly in the coming years. - "gravity gloves" to pick things up so you aren't constantly kneeling - handheld inventory that limits you to a small but mechanically distinct selection of items - puzzles that are more than simply opening boxes and looking underneath tables - actual level design that seems like something you'd see in a real video game - focus on ranged combat instead of unsatifying/heavily automated melee combat
I thought about it but I feel many people have discussed this. I prefer to make videos about subjects I haven't seen anyone else talk about. HL:A will (and have already) had a huge effect on VR and will likely make a standard list of practices for these types of games that will be felt for years. However it's biggest contribution will likely be increasing the amount of people that own VR devices.
nice video. honestly i think the largest issue is with the fps. i get zero motion sickness on my psvr (which I use on my PC), i have an absolute belly gut. it's 120hz. but then i played elite: dangerous once, and... i got motion sick. why? because the game is such unoptimized sh!t that it kept on missing frames. so everything was delayed by one frame, and the frame rate was about half that. i feel like a lot of people will stop being motion sick once we get 120hz with a frame rendering time of 2ms or less. and yes, that means that the gpu is idle for 6.3 ms of every frame - but the low lag is important imo. in my opinion: why do most people get motion sick in vr? because most headsets run at 90 hz or less, and most games run at 60fps or less. it's that simple. i honestly have never heard of anyone who can run a game at 120hz or more, at low lag, and still get motion sick. but if i'm wrong - please do tell me, i'd love to be disillusioned here.
One major factor for future of VR are games that don't require you to move - simulators. VR is getting more and more popular in the world of simracing. VR is a natural next step for racing games, flight simulators and similar games.
I dont seem to get motion sick. My sense of balance gets thrown off when i do multi button combo movements like running and turning while holding a box at the same time
I still get car sick and I have to take frequent breaks and stop playing games because of the motion sickness, I’ve been playing since I was a kid and it hasn’t gone away :/
it will get a lot better over time (only have my headset for about a month too) but boneworks is definitely the worst offender. I am used to games like Pavlov by now, basically not getting sick at all, but boneworks still makes me a lil sick after 30 min play sessions.
I prefer using VR glasses just instead of monitor and control with mouse-keyboard. Moving hands in the air couple of hours is tiring. I have some dizzines if camera rotates sideways in the game, even witout VR glasses, like in this game ua-cam.com/video/ex2KHAec6AU/v-deo.html And opposite, if camera dont rotate sideways i can use VR glasses.
They say only about 4 in 10? I'm definitely one. Stationary isn't shit. Then I played stormland and zipped around and wanted to hurl after ten minutes.
you missed out the big issue for most countries ion the world - lack of room to do this. in the uk, we have much smaller houses than you guys in the usa, so you probably havent even considered this at all. its the one thing stopping me getting a vr kit.
Im here from the future. The cheapest VR headset is now cheaper than the next gen consoles, its got a good library and virtually anyone can play. I really enjoyed your video and you earned a new subscriber. life is good
Polygon did a good video about the modern use of reticles in games as still points to avoid nausea. VR games, at least the ones in your video, don't use them. Do you know why that is?
@@welfarewalrus597 Reticles can be as simple as a little white dot, so I'd assume it'd be better than a whole nose. Maybe a reticle alone just isn't effective enough.
To be fair, the PS VR is very low quality compared to the PC Headsets. Do not think of that as the current state of vr. Its bad refreshrate, resolution etc. really contribute to motion sickness. I personally got sick really really quickly and badly when i started playing games with free movement on my index at first, but you DO get used to it, believe me. I rarely got sick after about 2 weeks of playing
2021 and it's styill an expensive fad too many half assed games on VR, and too many half assed AAA devs who can't innovate even if given the most obscene budgets in the world. the UI, controlls and simple mechanisms for interactivity bneed to be standardised in a way that everyone seems to not want to do (one dev, one product, NO COPYING MY WORK OR I'LL TELL MY DAD WHO IS BIGGER THAN YOUR DAD!) there's scope for VR commanders, crew, support, static gunners, special enemies, dungeon masters and even as raid-boss style encounters in FPS/mmo/action-RPG type games but most devs are still tripping over getting even basic tech-demos out to market or games like alyx/elite-dangerous/bridge-crew would only need a little modding (map mouse/keyboard functions to a macro that emulates certain movement types) to become fully fledged regular titles with a more chill outlay. Yes you losoe the immersion btu you also loose the cost of a specialist display unit, specialist controllers and the cost of buying into a still-prototype tech while no one knows how to properly handle or acchieve it's potential.
I don't mind hearing differing views on VR, but fucking hell, mate, you're about 3 years behind the times on this. Another thing: calling VR a "fad" is bollocks. Fads die off quickly, and major industries tend not to pump billions of dollars/pounds/euro into R&D if something is a fad. Reassess your thinking on this. It's an emerging tech, and a fast growing, brand new medium in various industries, not just gaming. VR has the potential to literally change how we interact with the world and entertainment as we know it. Motion sickness is a valid concern, but its overblown, and will eventually be a non issue. Plus you can acclimate to it if you suffer. It just takes a bit of patience and time.
"Motion sickness happens when your eyes tell you you're moving but your ears say you're stationary."
I just close my eyes in vr. Fixes the problem.
In theory, if the market grows enough then running a local vr-themed business (bar, arcarde etc) could open up the potential for higher end hardware to be more available to the average person. For example, a warehouse could be sensor'd up widely enough (in conjunction with a wireless headset or some mobile substitute) that the user could physically walk around the real world and vr in tandem. Or more tangibly just throwing a vr treadmill in a rentable arcade space so people could experience it for contained sessions. It's no solution to the issue, but interesting food for thought.
when your body also moves while in VR it would solve the motion sickness problem for most. Agreed
We've had those VR Arcades here in Toronto, but they quickly closed down dur to lack of interest. The biggest reason being VR is usually a more social experience and most gamers prefer playing solo
Really informative video, deserves more than 4k views. A virtual nose seems like a pretty hilarious solution to a motion-sickness problem.
Thank you. I like to put a decent amount of research into my videos and cover things I don't see other people talking about. VR is an interesting problem because it's the first time I can think of a biological limitation being a major issue for designing a videogame.
I remember watching Patlabor 2 and the intro sequence to that movie has the labor pilot Noa test out a new VR control scheme for her mech, and she comments how it makes her feel sick which the mechanic replies people in the future will evolve to the new tech. I also remember when FPS games first came out how lots of people complained about motion sickness when playing them for the first time. So adaption really is key, plus having better tech with a higher FoV, resolution, and refresh rate will help out a lot.
I mean i can chuck a bunch of travel medicine then...
If VR sickness is caused by sensory discordance, wouldn't improving visual fidelity just make it worse? Field of view, resolution, and refresh rate improvements can only increase the gap between sight and the sense of motion. VR goggles might be a dead end on the road to the fantasy we've been sold.
HYDRAdude noa said that on which episode ?
VR is just awesome and a revolution! Can't believe anyone would say it's just a fad or boring. Absolutely destroys playing games on flat tv too, especially for racing, flying and sport games! Perfect for table tennis, tennis, badminton..etc.. due to depth. Also, art stuff, travelling the world or meeting and chilling out with people in a virtual world (i.e. like in the Matrix movie). Way too awesome!
Loved the vid, cant wait to see more. You deserve more views and subs
Thanks. It's all up to if people feel like spreading a video I made or not or if I happen to get lucky with the youtube algorithm. But either way I like making them and knowing others like them too is enough for me to continue no matter what the view count is.
This one's gonna blow up bro. It already kind of has!!
Well deserved. So glad to see it. Enjoyed your video as always.
Thanks. I hope so but it's all up to the youtube algorithm gods and they are very unpredictable.
Another good vid. Curious to see how much measures like reducing the FOV or adding static objects affect the amount of information read in fast-paced games like arena shooters. The Polygon YT channel recently uploaded a short video that explained how crosshairs and cursors also helped motion sickness in early first-person games. It turns out they had more utility than expected.
The biggest issue for me with any VR/3D effect is that there is no proper depth of field/focus on objects at different distances. If you look at a real object far away, objects right in front of you will be out of focus. You don't get that in VR/3D; as of right now, the technology doesn't seem to exist that tracks where your gaze is to allow for focusing/defocusing objects properly. That's what gives me headaches.
I'm glad this video was made about the inner-ear sensory matching with what motion the eyes perceive; it's good that people are noticing the shortcomings and bringing focus (ha) to what needs improving.
Why would you complain about such a thing lol. That is a negative aspect of real life vision that we don't have to deal with in VR. It's the same in a regular video game in some games that is a graphical setting u can turn on or off
OhManTFE it's not the same as in "regular" video games, which are viewed on a 2D display without any genuine projection of depth.
Depth of field was implemented in video games _because_ it's a realistic sensory effect of the human eye, and having that effect in a game simulates how the imagery would be viewed in the real world. There is no "dealing" with it in reality because it's not a negative - it's biologically correct. Your brain expects to receive focal information when viewing objects at different distances, and when it's being tricked into thinking it's seeing an environment in real space around you but there is no depth, it doesn't properly comprehend it. And it's a shortcoming of VR.
For me when playing vr, my brain focusses on what I'm looking at and blur's out what's around it. So for me there is no reason to do that, as far as I can see, that's like saying in real life the world needs to blur what your not looking at, when really it all happens in your brain. But that's just my experience.
You're right, and wrong on this. VR does have real life depth to it, but only up to a certain point of focal range, and your eyes do blur out the surrounding environment naturally when focusing on something within the focal range, so I'm not quiet sure where you are getting that from. When things get really close to the viewer's eyes, your eyes can't adjust naturally and make it sharp, but again, only up to a certain distance is this relevant. The visual range of depth isn't as large. Everything is more at the mid range, and things far away still feel far away, it's just that the resolution isn't there yet, so it's blurry and gives a false sense of depth. Oculus are working on fixing that already, and by all accounts, they've succeeded in doing so. Google Half Dome 3 and you'll see an actual working prototype of the new Oculus Rift.
I could imagine a future where valve are selling me a monthly subscription of motion sickness pills lol
I actually bought motion sickness pills when Elite Dangerous came out. I don't remember if they helped or not :)
@@FinsaneLorist they most likely help but because of placebo effect
They don't work. The only thing that reduces motion sickness is building up a resistance to it by using the VR in short Bursts
It's crazy to me to see VR games with around 15 reviews. Like how can a development team even turn a profit if they sell less than 100 copies? That low budget cycle you mentioned is spot on.
People very rarely review anything, so 15 reviews probably means a thousand people have played it.
David true! but NOSfusion have a point...
many people dont want to buy VR just because motion sickness.. or they think its a gimmick
for me its not, even when i exp motion sickness, and thought it was a gimmick before
I think with the valve index being top seller on steam for over a week, whoever makes the next AAA VR game after HLA will sell well since people will own the kits but be in need of games
The tech is getting much better than ever that came before it. This is the start of something special.
I cant belive you made such a sick video and just went quiet for so long. Keep going men ur vids are amazing
Pedro Monteiro thanks. Expect to see a lot of videos soon. Got a few announcements on that soon as well.
Always enjoy the content keep up the good work
Thanks. It honestly means a lot to read. Hope you enjoy this one.
@@welfarewalrus597 this was well constructed and thought out like always, you did a fantastic job and I hope you have a fantastic day
It feels like a fad because I feel fucking sick every time I try to have some fun
You sir deserve more subs
I think the 20's will be the decade of VR and Alyx being the starting point of the whole rize of VR into the main stream and will be the building block that all other VR first person titles will build upon. I hope that is the case.
great vid bruv
I had to return my VR headset bc of how little games I can play due to my motion sickness so I’m glad other ppl are experiencing this while means a fix may come
Here is part of the problem.. When we look around in real life our eyes don't just turn but actually swing side to side and even up and down. This causes objects closer to us to shift around faster in perspective faster than objects in the background which is how we see things naturally, not stationary to each other like a jpg image. Now objects will appear to be outside a window and not stuck to its frame like a picture. This will make any game feel much more real and also smoother because the entire screen is not shifting around at same speed. It's a simple fix for any game.. place the camera on the eyes and the pivot for the camera on the neck, that's it. Here is the fix shown in Skyrim exaggerated to show the effect: ua-cam.com/video/2JMmN9RfJQQ/v-deo.html
This is not needed in VR because you already have 6DoF and binocular 3d depth. Your eyes and head are moving through 3d space. On a 2d screen, I can see where this would apply, but if you added that into VR, it wouldn't look correct at all. It's the same thing motion blur tries to do, because your looking at something move on a flat screen. Motion blur in VR doesn't have the same effect, because again, its just not needed. Your eyes are already filling in the information.
@@steve_ire321 I guess it depends on whether VR tracks the center of the headset or really on the eyes. Most of the VR I have watched is missing it
Im so happy that I’m not susceptible to VR Motion sickness, I was really worried when I pulled the trigger on buying my first headset but I’ve been having a great time
I'm having a blast with my new oculus quest 2. Already, to me its given me the best gaming experience ever. Even the simple dungeon crawl like game in the RecRoom app (which looks like roblox graphics haha) was fun as shit. I got to shoot hordes of enemies down on my right hand and slash them with my left if they get too close.
Just commenting to say that this is another great video, and I hope your decision to play ads on videos results in your deserved popularity without coming at the cost of selling out.
I haven't had the experience of VR myself, but I'm still not convinced it's anything more than a gimmick. When I think about the most immersive games I've ever played (Dark Messiah of Might and Magic, Half-Life 1), the biggest barrier to immersion in the first place was parsing game actions into physical controller actions (climbing ropes in Dark Messiah took some getting used to, for instance). With VR, even if I were to acclimate to the controls, I'd constantly be taken out of the experience by seeing my character's shaky grip on his gun/sword/whatever.
If I have enough control over my character to point and shoot without worrying about bullet trajectory, that's good. If I constantly need to adjust my aim and see my imperfect human hand motions translated 1:1 into a video game, then that breaks immersion. Did you ever experience anything similar when you were playing VR?
To the first part, the amount of money youtube ads have given me since putting them on has been so low that I don't think it would even be able to "Sell out" on the pennies I have received assuming that stays around constant.
For other two paragraphs I find finger tracking actually really helps with immersion as long as it's working. When it doesn't (say I try to grab something and it doesn't get grabbed) that effects immersion a bit. Aiming is harder in VR but at the same time it feels like shooting a real gun (minus the weight and recoil) because just like in real life I am not very good at shooting. On the other hand I have seen people who actually have good IRL gun aim do great in both light gun games and VR and so far I have seen the difficulty to aim actually increase my immersion.
I was always interested in the idea and had hoped it would eventually catch on but ever since Valve unveiled HL Alyx, I am pretty keen on getting an Index myself. I kind of think of myself being able to handle the disconnect that causes MS but even if at first it does affect me, I‘d want to keep on using it until I eventually get used to it. I just hope that after Alyx it really takes up flight.
I think its probably way better for beginners in vr to use a game controller with a joystick to move, instead of waving with hand hold controllers. Also use your eyes to look around, to avoid moving your head to much. And try to relax. Too much tension, and an expectation to feel sick, will increase the risk for how you dont want to feel.
Omg I just played this for like 10min and im feeling the motion sickness!!!
6:43 ok that was nice :D
Downloaded Boneworks today. I am currently laying down on my couch because VR motion sickness made me die.
22 minutes is the most i've been able to take. Even looking at things back in real life is making me sick after playing. Sucks.
@@LaLogic2 This is me literally right now. I keep trying to get my 'VR legs' but fuck me, I can't last 30 minutes.
I can only last 20 minutes to maybe 4 hours. Kinda strange how my body works lol
I’m appareantly one of the rare few who is immune to motion sickness, and while that is nice I also very badly want everyone to be able to enjoy it, and I feel like developers with games that are currently stable and function fine should focus on making accessibity for everyone.
I'm curious; how is your spatial awareness? I couldn't play boneworks because my mind was keeping track of things to my blind spots
@@assassinaria I’ve got good spacial awareness, Altho I don’t remember if I was keeping track of stuff in my blind spots. Been a while since I last played
@@MothFable Thanks for the reply!
I think VR is not only great I think it's a good excercise tool for people that don't get out
people forget when FPS games first showed face, like Doom and quake for example. people had SEVERE motion sickness playing those games as well... i remember being a kid and FPS games used to give me a car sick feeling. and for awhile i would think about playing FPS games on PS1 and my stomach would hurt just thinking of it. i think we just end up adapting over time. but its important to note if you feel sick in VR stop dont push through or it will become a pavlov dogs effect. you will get sick when you think of VR
Enjoyed this one.
Never really thought about motion sickness in VR
I just finished watching a playthrough of Half-Life: Alyx, and I wanted to know if you planned to cover it or make an addendum to this video. HL:A is probably the best VR game ever made, and while that is a low bar, I think it has introduced many mechanics and conventions which developers will be copying shamelessly in the coming years.
- "gravity gloves" to pick things up so you aren't constantly kneeling
- handheld inventory that limits you to a small but mechanically distinct selection of items
- puzzles that are more than simply opening boxes and looking underneath tables
- actual level design that seems like something you'd see in a real video game
- focus on ranged combat instead of unsatifying/heavily automated melee combat
I thought about it but I feel many people have discussed this. I prefer to make videos about subjects I haven't seen anyone else talk about. HL:A will (and have already) had a huge effect on VR and will likely make a standard list of practices for these types of games that will be felt for years. However it's biggest contribution will likely be increasing the amount of people that own VR devices.
I must be lucky. I do not get motion sick and I love playing FPS games with smooth locomotion and smooth turning
Some people say that the index's increased framerate lowers their motion sickness.
nice video. honestly i think the largest issue is with the fps. i get zero motion sickness on my psvr (which I use on my PC), i have an absolute belly gut. it's 120hz. but then i played elite: dangerous once, and... i got motion sick. why? because the game is such unoptimized sh!t that it kept on missing frames. so everything was delayed by one frame, and the frame rate was about half that. i feel like a lot of people will stop being motion sick once we get 120hz with a frame rendering time of 2ms or less. and yes, that means that the gpu is idle for 6.3 ms of every frame - but the low lag is important imo. in my opinion: why do most people get motion sick in vr? because most headsets run at 90 hz or less, and most games run at 60fps or less. it's that simple. i honestly have never heard of anyone who can run a game at 120hz or more, at low lag, and still get motion sick. but if i'm wrong - please do tell me, i'd love to be disillusioned here.
One major factor for future of VR are games that don't require you to move - simulators. VR is getting more and more popular in the world of simracing. VR is a natural next step for racing games, flight simulators and similar games.
Those don't help with motion sickness though.
@@atlmember4045 You can get a motion rig to help with that.
@@jaroslavchnurik8783 Good point.
cool video, thank you!
You are welcome. Glad you liked it.
I get a little motion sick after a long time in some games that use thumb stick moving if it’s to fast
I dont seem to get motion sick. My sense of balance gets thrown off when i do multi button combo movements like running and turning while holding a box at the same time
I get sick. It lasts all day after I get off VR. I use a fan pointed at me and motion sickness bracelets to ease the motion sickness.
i have motion sickness with cars but when i tried vr i never experienced any motion sickness at all for some reason
for me its the other way around lol just played some vr games for the first time and my head is spinning, feels weird :D
I still get car sick and I have to take frequent breaks and stop playing games because of the motion sickness, I’ve been playing since I was a kid and it hasn’t gone away :/
I get motion sleepy
i've never experienced carsickness but i dont know if i wont get vrsick
Damn near got sick just watching your clips of VR.
They solved it by no longer making VR games.
Incredible!
How do u only have 2K subs?
I'm having a series issue with Boneworks because being stationary while moving around with a joystick just feels wrong
I've only had my oculusd rift s for like 3 days though
it will get a lot better over time (only have my headset for about a month too) but boneworks is definitely the worst offender. I am used to games like Pavlov by now, basically not getting sick at all, but boneworks still makes me a lil sick after 30 min play sessions.
I prefer using VR glasses just instead of monitor and control with mouse-keyboard. Moving hands in the air couple of hours is tiring.
I have some dizzines if camera rotates sideways in the game, even witout VR glasses, like in this game ua-cam.com/video/ex2KHAec6AU/v-deo.html
And opposite, if camera dont rotate sideways i can use VR glasses.
I guess they failed .. I tried myst yesterday .. I felt ill . I can play moss and space pirate .. up anything else leaves me filling Ill ..
I never got any motion sickness playing VR, would somebody like to explain how people get motion sickness playing VR?
They say only about 4 in 10? I'm definitely one. Stationary isn't shit. Then I played stormland and zipped around and wanted to hurl after ten minutes.
you missed out the big issue for most countries ion the world - lack of room to do this. in the uk, we have much smaller houses than you guys in the usa, so you probably havent even considered this at all. its the one thing stopping me getting a vr kit.
You just need enough space to spin in place while t-posing, it's a lot less than you think.
Im here from the future. The cheapest VR headset is now cheaper than the next gen consoles, its got a good library and virtually anyone can play. I really enjoyed your video and you earned a new subscriber. life is good
...And can only play crappy games.
Polygon did a good video about the modern use of reticles in games as still points to avoid nausea. VR games, at least the ones in your video, don't use them. Do you know why that is?
Probably because they want to look realistic. Most VR games have minimal HUD components for this very reason.
@@welfarewalrus597 Reticles can be as simple as a little white dot, so I'd assume it'd be better than a whole nose. Maybe a reticle alone just isn't effective enough.
I tried Skyrim VR on PS4. Couldn't get through 5 minutes before getting sick.
To be fair, the PS VR is very low quality compared to the PC Headsets. Do not think of that as the current state of vr. Its bad refreshrate, resolution etc. really contribute to motion sickness. I personally got sick really really quickly and badly when i started playing games with free movement on my index at first, but you DO get used to it, believe me. I rarely got sick after about 2 weeks of playing
2021 and it's styill an expensive fad
too many half assed games on VR, and too many half assed AAA devs who can't innovate even if given the most obscene budgets in the world.
the UI, controlls and simple mechanisms for interactivity bneed to be standardised in a way that everyone seems to not want to do (one dev, one product, NO COPYING MY WORK OR I'LL TELL MY DAD WHO IS BIGGER THAN YOUR DAD!)
there's scope for VR commanders, crew, support, static gunners, special enemies, dungeon masters and even as raid-boss style encounters in FPS/mmo/action-RPG type games but most devs are still tripping over getting even basic tech-demos out to market or games like alyx/elite-dangerous/bridge-crew would only need a little modding (map mouse/keyboard functions to a macro that emulates certain movement types) to become fully fledged regular titles with a more chill outlay. Yes you losoe the immersion btu you also loose the cost of a specialist display unit, specialist controllers and the cost of buying into a still-prototype tech while no one knows how to properly handle or acchieve it's potential.
I don't mind hearing differing views on VR, but fucking hell, mate, you're about 3 years behind the times on this. Another thing: calling VR a "fad" is bollocks. Fads die off quickly, and major industries tend not to pump billions of dollars/pounds/euro into R&D if something is a fad. Reassess your thinking on this. It's an emerging tech, and a fast growing, brand new medium in various industries, not just gaming. VR has the potential to literally change how we interact with the world and entertainment as we know it. Motion sickness is a valid concern, but its overblown, and will eventually be a non issue. Plus you can acclimate to it if you suffer. It just takes a bit of patience and time.
Epic fail on VR being a fad and not many games coming out.And price is way low now
1:20 Jesus, with all that gear why not just buy a real plane? lmao (don't woosh yourself)
agreed, as is VR sucks
You are quite wrong with like 50% of what you said
Great argument.