Rich Gaspari should definitely be in the video as well. The guy had terrible muscle insertions and structure for bodybuilding but still managed to place 2nd place at the Olympia.
Bullshit! Rich had an amazing physique and he has good genetics yes not perfect because his biceps were abit short not the shortest though and later into his career his waist got wider but not that bad his structure was still good and he did the best with what he got
One thing I love about bodybuilding is seeing all the different genetics and what guys are able to do with what they were given. Discussing what looks 'good' or 'bad' almost always turns into an argument on subjectivity rather than objectivity, making the sport of bodybuilding quite strange sometimes.
Honestly this is why I feel that Bodybuilding is more of an “art” than a “sport”. It’s more akin to a beauty pageant than any traditional sport And I think there needs to be more weight given to the totality of the package a contestant brings. Opposed to scores for each individual pose / muscle group Cause for me, it’s kinda crazy that say Big Ramy , or Nick Walker be considered the “best” bodybuilder, when their body looks ugly and weirdly proportioned, for all intents and purposes. It’s not what an average person would consider attractive or “nice” looking
The whole pageant is indeed based on subjectivity. Bodybuilding has and never will be a sport. They are not athletes. Nor is it a sport. It’s a beauty pageant. Just because they “compete” does not mean that it’s a sport. Where is the physical display of skill?
@@gcg8187 And pretty much all bodybuilders refer to themselves and their peers as athletes, but that doesn't make it true. I go to the gym 5 days a week, and plenty of other people do too. Does that make me an athlete? No. They believe that they're athletes because the title of 'athlete' sounds nice. Sports aren't subjective (for the most part), and sports require a display of skill (said skill can objectively be measured). Football (soccer) you get past the opponent's team, and you score more goals than they can = you win. Basketball... Same. American Football... Same. Bodybuilding? Oil yourself up, get on stage, POSE (that is the only thing that can possibly be described as a physical display of skill - but it's not really), and then have the judges decide what "looks best." Bodybuilding is the only "sport" where every competition, the entire fanbase is saying that a different person should have won. Entirely subjective. Sport isn't subjective (for the most part).
@@guillaumebillette4078 if you look, he never had good thighs before 77.. Arnolds best pal wins in 76... better bodybuilders around at that time.. Robbie Robinson for example...
I saw Franco in the 70s, and his arms weren't bad when you saw him in person. Dickerson never impressed me when I saw him compete, and I stood next to Zane when he handed me my trophy, and he was small. This was in 1978.
@Kurt Vonfricken Kurt, we've discussed this before on UA-cam. I also met Zane on a couple of occasions when he guest posed at the 1979/ 1980 Canadian Championships several weeks before the Olympia. His arms at best @ 195 - 210 lbs ( slightly bulked) were about 17 1/4 inches cold and may have been as " small" as 16.5- 16.75 inches cold at a ripped contest weight of 180- 190 lbs. His arms looked much larger as he is small boned, has great shape , very low bodyfat and small musculature structure. As Mike Mentzer would say Zane reached the limits or close to the limit of his muscular potential. Boyer Coe , Serge Nubret and Bill Pearl who had enormously larger arms had 18.5 inch arms as per Art Jones.
In his later competitions, Franco looked like he had 2 chests, one over the other. His abs and obliques were also well defined. And of course, the "cobra head" back.
It was those short muscle bellies and long tendons that made Franco the strong man he was to become. Fred Hatfield, Dr Squat, had the same development, especially in his legs.
The thing about Franco is..his torso was one of the best ever!! But legs and arms lacking. But his legs in 76 has decent separations..but he never flexed them!
Dude, Franco Columbu had the best built chest in bodybuilding history. He had a split that separated the upper pecs from the lower pecs that even today you don’t really see in modern bodybuilders. Plus he had wide thick pecs and benched around 500. It was his height that was the main factor.
Dave Palumbo is a bodybuilding guru because he achieved mass monster status with long distance runner genetics. That's why he is a successful trainer and supps retailer. Bodybuilders be like, "If that wimp can make it, I can only do better using his know how". Watch the waist line and his force feeding regiment though..
Franco Columbu was Sardinian, in there the average has always been shorter than the rest 😅 i'm Sardinian as well..his genetics were huge, he was a freak of pure strenght even before doing bodybuilding...he was just short 😂
Not sure what to think about this one MMM. I thought it would have the Atwoods, Gasparis, Jim Quinns, Pacos, Dickersons, Flavios, Kevin Englishs, and things of that nature. Porter actually had rounded, pretty delts and at one point superb ab separation. Weak triceps and calves of course but he had a good structure in my eyes. When he was still amateur they’d paint him as a Steve Reeves or Bob Paris.
Given the amount of magazine spreads and exposure Joe Weider gave Porter Cottrell you would swear he was the American version of Francis Benfatto. Always thought Porter went as far as he did BECAUSE of his symmetry.... Although your comment about the Triceps is interesting. He followed Push,Pull, Legs with an interesting twist. He Did Chest and Delts (including rear delts and traps) all on day 1 and skipped Triceps. Back and Bi's as usual but on the Legs day he did Triceps with legs???? Was that because he was trying to improve them?....or is that the reason they were lagging in the first place?....I have never seen or heard of anyone splitting their bodyparts up like that....He also followed a 2 on 1 off cycle.
While I agree Franco doesn’t have the best genetics for a Mr. O, it’s for different reasons. Franco’s chest was a strength, not a weakness. He did have short biceps, but as long as you have heart-shaped split peaks, you can get away with it. He was stockier with his wide waste for his height … that is true. But his glaring weakness was lack of separation in his thighs. Very genetic. Surprised Dorian was not on the list. He openly talks about his genetic short comings. Chest and arms specifically.
Dorians back overshadowed his weakness. When you first see him posing in front double bicep,he looks like normal bodybuilders. But when he turns around all attention got on the back,to the point that his weakness wasn't even talked about.
Franco Columbu is not a great example of bad genetics, you have to reevaluate your sight of view, cause say that a Mr.Olympia has bad genetics... Is not being in his right mind
tbh I like Franco's physique waaay better than Frank Zane's. He looks thicker and more powerful. In terms of raw athleticism, Franco could have a pretty good argument for best of his era. I'm a big Franco fan so I'm probs a bit bias.
I'd like to see amongst the natural body builders who is actually genetically gifted and who is not. You can't really see that well with heavy steroids users, because it's a kind of leveller. With natural ones you either have it, or you haven't. Simple.
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6:30 The guy you're comparing 'Paco' Bautista with is Jaroslav Horvath (from Slovakia just like Krizo) who placed 4th at Mr.O 2011 in 202-212 category. A quite aesthetic bodybuilder - reminds me of a smaller Milos Sarcev.
The late great legend and first Mr.Olympia Larry Scott was another. He himself admitted he had "wide hips, narrow shoulders,short and just a scrawny spud picker from Idaho."....(How can you not love Larry?) That is why he went all out on developing his delts, to give the illusion of width. Of course those famous guns helped draw attention but he also claimed Vince Gironda teaching him how to pose, greatly helped showing off his strong points and hiding his flaws. ...(very important) If you notice, even in picture's most of Larry's camera angles come from down to up and he is constantly tilting, turning or twisting his waist while drawing attention to his arms. Note, how much Arnold did this as well. A well selected posing routine can do wonders.
Frank Zane should be on this list, great structure, but I consider him to be a hard-gainer, an ectomorph. He was just unable to pack on enormous muscles like most other bodybuilding legends. Richard Gaspari also.
Best Genetics of all time = Danny Padilla. Zero weaknesses when he was peaked. He looks like Arnold with the long legs sawed off and his legs were more fully developed. Next would be Lee Priest. But in the tall men's cat. Arnold is the best.
Don't mean to be heretical here but Arnold did have some genetic/structural disadvantages that he had to overcome. One was his somewhat narrow and droopy shoulders. If you look at him standing relaxed in a line up that becomes apparent. Of course his other features more than made up for that deficit.
I think another thing ppl don’t talk about either is arm length…especially serge and Arnold. When you have long arms plus wide bones you have so much more potential to fill out your arms especially when you hit a front double with long thick arms and wide shoulders 1:16
I have bad genetics but still tanned up and competed and stepped on stage, 2nd place in my first competition. The discipline and art of dieting is what appealed to me. Strength sports was my forte, I was built for strength but aspired for aesthetics....
That's why the Open class at The Oyimpa is crap. The prize fund should be the same across all categories so that a person can compete at a level and graduate in the next class over time; after all, this is meant to be a healthy sport.
Yes, Porter was actually very complete. Symmetrical and aesthetic. And his back when he won the NOC was fantastic. he was a shorter guy, but bad genetics?? Definitely not!! He beat Kevin Levrone when both were debuting as pros!!
@@mikthe2004Agreed, it's perplexing to hear anyone say that Porter has "bad genetics". He had a very balanced physique, no overpowering bodyparts, and no glaring weaknesses. Perhaps that's his "weakness"; the fact that he didn't have any body parts that really stand out.
Sorry Marx, I'm disliking this video. You've worked hard making it and packed in masses of detail, and I'm taking nothing away from that. The great work and sculpting done over years to achieve perfect or near perfect proportions and symmetry eg Arnold, Zane, Oliva, Serge Nubret and others, is totally undermined by the sweeping generalisation 'Oh they had great genetics'. By the same token, looking at guys who didn't make the top tier, and concluding that "they had bad genetics" is an easy cop out. The whole point of proper bodybuilding for each individual, is too not just take advantage of the parts which develop easily, but to also identify those parts which naturally lag behind, and work harder on those areas to avoid imbalance. Basically, if genetic shortcomings are still evident in the finished article, that shows the effort put in, in the gym, was not allocated to the best effect.
I don't know how you can possibly say that Franco columbo had bad genetics. The guy was a freak, so what if he was 5 foot three he was extremely strong, and when he was in shape, he looked as good as any man's just that standing next to him, he didn't look that great, but bad genetics. I wish I had such a bad genetics.
All this video does for me it's prove how empty a statement "bad genetics" is. You see any of these "bad genetics" people on the street or in your gym and they're the best looking/strongest dude around/in there. Average Joes will be saying all these dudes have GREAT genetics and have 1000 questions for them on how to hopefully one day look as GOOD as them. IMO... the whole "genetics" excuse is just that. Any fucking dude or chick will look like a million bucks if they just eat properly and workout consistently/religiously... fact. I'd say the only "bad genetics" people in this video was the dude intro Pic and then the dude with oddly proportioned body with comically long legs compared to how short his torso was. And that's only "bad" because he looks like he was pieced together with spare parts by God. But with that spare parts body...... he still packed on muscle, ate properly and got lean (and had "pharmaceutical" help) to look like a million bucks. As for that intro guy - I'm hoping that's photshop. If not it looks like that's what happens when you rely entirely on drugs for too long to maintain your physique. If that is a real Pic I'm willing to bet he looked normal and insanely better pre steroids it at least early on in his steroids taking life. That's got to be photoshop though.
Phil Heath had freakishly long legs and a short torso too. Great 3D effect, but his muscles looked soft like he was a filled up water balloon sculpture
I have to say that Dave Palumbo had horrible genetics but he trained hard and has a ton of knowledge about diet, training and using gear and how it affects the body.
Franko Columbu not only had an incredible strong, indeed he was an international powerlifter and bodybuilder, he also had an incredible chest splitted in 4 parts during his posing, he nickname was "THE BAT" cause is back was broad as the wings of a bat. This man lift cars, he inflated and exploded hot water bottles. I think you don't know anything about Franko, and you judge him by his height. No offense but ridiculous video.
Thanks for this video. Never really noticed Paco but now that I see him...that's what my frame looks like. Argh. We are like meso endomorphs if u believe in that sorta thing. We can get big and strong without taking anything but we'll never be thin and slim.
Off the top. Boyer Coe ,Mike Mentzer, Danny Tinerino (?). I think these guys had to work twice as hard just to place. Franco was just short. Danny Padilla too. They had all the hallmark attributes except height.
Franco Columbu Actually Had Better Genetics Then Arnold More Muscle Separation,Smaller Waist,More Proportionate. He Didn't Have A Wide Waist IDK WTF You've Been Smoking And Drinking 😂. His Arms Peaked Up High Like Arnold's His Arms Weren't Long Insertions Like Sergio Olivas Arms. His Only Disadvantage Was His Height Structure Was Good.
I don’t understand the “this is before they had GH’s”?? Like guys now don’t have all the same issues as 1970’s era? Makes no sense that comment. CBuM has a Billion$ & has been working on Arms for nearly a decade. There’s no magic, never was.😮for some inexperienced guys.
It seems harsh on Porter especially when you give Warren a pass. Porter had a pretty good aesthetic physique by comparison. Even Arnold commented on Francos seemingly lack of potential ("bow legged") but in his best form, he didn't have a lot of weak points. Funny thing about genetics, you never know how good or bad they are unless you try.
Great vid Mark!!!!!! Yep you can have great genetics in one area and not in other areas. When someone has multiple genetic advantages in numerous areas they rise to the top. Like Ronnie, great ability to put on head to toe mass, great ability for conditioning, and imo great aesthetics all together, the Quan
@5:20 I know its unrelated to the video. And however you may feel about him, Shawn Ray looked incredible in that front relaxed pose. That mid section is chiseled.
'overcame their genetics'? Yeah that's a thing... 0:34 Franco Columbu. Leo. 2:28 Arnold Schwarzenegger. Leo. 2:51 Hubert Metz. Aries/Pisces. 4:13 Chris Dickerson. Virgo/Leo. 5:03 Porter Cottrell. Virgo. 6:12 Paco Bautista. Pisces. 7:28 Branch Warren. Pisces/Aquarius. (Now let the comments fly about the real sh*t. For starters 'The Worst Genetics' is a very misleading term and should be avoided)
Franco had incredible genetics for torso ( chest, back,.delts, abs) . His arms while not " small" were not in proportion. His legs weren't " small" but had an unusual shape in part due to being bowlegged and hus calves were Ok. Porter Cortrel had great genetics.
Everyone on this list has elite genetics otherwise they would not be pros. They may well have body parts that were weak, so a genetically weak part but not overall. Through in Robbies calves, Ruhls triceps for example. Great bodies, poor body part.
Franco Columbo bad genetics?!?!. Look at photos of him was he was young. He had phenomenal genetics. His muscle density for a guy of his height at that time was incredible. Huge, separated legs were not as much of a priority back then.
Rich Gaspari should definitely be in the video as well. The guy had terrible muscle insertions and structure for bodybuilding but still managed to place 2nd place at the Olympia.
Totally agree, thought the same but you beat me to the comments 😊
Definitely. Gaspari needs to be here.
He made the best of what he had by being shredded and having awesome posing routines, in a time where the free posing round was scored.
Bullshit! Rich had an amazing physique and he has good genetics yes not perfect because his biceps were abit short not the shortest though and later into his career his waist got wider but not that bad his structure was still good and he did the best with what he got
@@rickhurribans912 We are not saying that Rich Gaspari was a bad bodybuilder. But he did for sure have shitty genetics.
One thing I love about bodybuilding is seeing all the different genetics and what guys are able to do with what they were given. Discussing what looks 'good' or 'bad' almost always turns into an argument on subjectivity rather than objectivity, making the sport of bodybuilding quite strange sometimes.
Honestly this is why I feel that Bodybuilding is more of an “art” than a “sport”. It’s more akin to a beauty pageant than any traditional sport
And I think there needs to be more weight given to the totality of the package a contestant brings. Opposed to scores for each individual pose / muscle group
Cause for me, it’s kinda crazy that say Big Ramy , or Nick Walker be considered the “best” bodybuilder, when their body looks ugly and weirdly proportioned, for all intents and purposes. It’s not what an average person would consider attractive or “nice” looking
The whole pageant is indeed based on subjectivity. Bodybuilding has and never will be a sport.
They are not athletes. Nor is it a sport. It’s a beauty pageant. Just because they “compete” does not mean that it’s a sport. Where is the physical display of skill?
@@topemeister3000 but Phil heath keep calling it a sport, and keeps referring to himself and other bodybuilders as athletes
@@gcg8187 And pretty much all bodybuilders refer to themselves and their peers as athletes, but that doesn't make it true.
I go to the gym 5 days a week, and plenty of other people do too. Does that make me an athlete? No.
They believe that they're athletes because the title of 'athlete' sounds nice. Sports aren't subjective (for the most part), and sports require a display of skill (said skill can objectively be measured).
Football (soccer) you get past the opponent's team, and you score more goals than they can = you win. Basketball... Same. American Football... Same.
Bodybuilding? Oil yourself up, get on stage, POSE (that is the only thing that can possibly be described as a physical display of skill - but it's not really), and then have the judges decide what "looks best."
Bodybuilding is the only "sport" where every competition, the entire fanbase is saying that a different person should have won. Entirely subjective. Sport isn't subjective (for the most part).
This dude really said Franco Columbo had bad genetics
Yea pretty dumb, Franco's lat insertions and upper chest split are insane definitely not bad genetics
Agreed! wtf he talkin bout lol
Did you see Franco in 1981 wtf ! He looked terrible... Never had good legs
@@ianlewis7749Having a horrible leg injury while carrying a fridge in the 1977 worlds strongest man is not bad genetics.
@@guillaumebillette4078 if you look, he never had good thighs before 77..
Arnolds best pal wins in 76... better bodybuilders around at that time..
Robbie Robinson for example...
I saw Franco in the 70s, and his arms weren't bad when you saw him in person. Dickerson never impressed me when I saw him compete, and I stood next to Zane when he handed me my trophy, and he was small. This was in 1978.
How big were Zane's arms?
@Dakrom Vee to be honest, I don't know.
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I saw him in person I’d say 18”-18 1/2”
@@kurtvonfricken6829 What year?
@Kurt Vonfricken Kurt, we've discussed this before on UA-cam.
I also met Zane on a couple of occasions when he guest posed at the 1979/ 1980 Canadian Championships several weeks before the Olympia.
His arms at best @ 195 - 210 lbs ( slightly bulked) were about 17 1/4 inches cold and may have been as " small" as 16.5- 16.75 inches cold at a ripped contest weight of 180- 190 lbs. His arms looked much larger as he is small boned, has great shape , very low bodyfat and small musculature structure. As Mike Mentzer would say Zane reached the limits or close to the limit of his muscular potential.
Boyer Coe , Serge Nubret and Bill Pearl who had enormously larger arms had 18.5 inch arms as per Art Jones.
In his later competitions, Franco looked like he had 2 chests, one over the other. His abs and obliques were also well defined. And of course, the "cobra head" back.
Franco actually had great biceps
Never thought Franco had bad genetics
That’s because he didn’t
Agreed. He had some of the best chest striations ever.
Bloody hell, I watched this and thought I wish I had genetics that bad.
It was those short muscle bellies and long tendons that made Franco the strong man he was to become. Fred Hatfield, Dr Squat, had the same development, especially in his legs.
The thing about Franco is..his torso was one of the best ever!! But legs and arms lacking. But his legs in 76 has decent separations..but he never flexed them!
Yeah, his torso including his shoulders was fantastic!!
Dude, Franco Columbu had the best built chest in bodybuilding history. He had a split that separated the upper pecs from the lower pecs that even today you don’t really see in modern bodybuilders. Plus he had wide thick pecs and benched around 500. It was his height that was the main factor.
Apparently that split was a birth defect. I think Jerry Brainum said that.
@@thomhagan8297Yeah I saw that interview. Crazy that’s what it was that gave him that super muscular chest
Bow legged
Dave Palumbo is a bodybuilding guru because he achieved mass monster status with long distance runner genetics. That's why he is a successful trainer and supps retailer. Bodybuilders be like, "If that wimp can make it, I can only do better using his know how". Watch the waist line and his force feeding regiment though..
Franco Columbu was Sardinian, in there the average has always been shorter than the rest 😅 i'm Sardinian as well..his genetics were huge, he was a freak of pure strenght even before doing bodybuilding...he was just short 😂
I would say you're wrong bout Franco chest. Columbo had by far the best upper chest in the history of bodybuilding.... that to me counts for something
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Not sure what to think about this one MMM.
I thought it would have the Atwoods, Gasparis, Jim Quinns, Pacos, Dickersons, Flavios, Kevin Englishs, and things of that nature. Porter actually had rounded, pretty delts and at one point superb ab separation. Weak triceps and calves of course but he had a good structure in my eyes. When he was still amateur they’d paint him as a Steve Reeves or Bob Paris.
Given the amount of magazine spreads and exposure Joe Weider gave Porter Cottrell you would swear he was the American version of Francis Benfatto. Always thought Porter went as far as he did BECAUSE of his symmetry....
Although your comment about the Triceps is interesting.
He followed Push,Pull, Legs with an interesting twist.
He Did Chest and Delts (including rear delts and traps) all on day 1 and skipped Triceps.
Back and Bi's as usual but on the Legs day he did Triceps with legs????
Was that because he was trying to improve them?....or is that the reason they were lagging in the first place?....I have never seen or heard of anyone splitting their bodyparts up like that....He also followed a 2 on 1 off cycle.
While I agree Franco doesn’t have the best genetics for a Mr. O, it’s for different reasons. Franco’s chest was a strength, not a weakness. He did have short biceps, but as long as you have heart-shaped split peaks, you can get away with it. He was stockier with his wide waste for his height … that is true. But his glaring weakness was lack of separation in his thighs. Very genetic. Surprised Dorian was not on the list. He openly talks about his genetic short comings. Chest and arms specifically.
Dorians back overshadowed his weakness. When you first see him posing in front double bicep,he looks like normal bodybuilders. But when he turns around all attention got on the back,to the point that his weakness wasn't even talked about.
Dorian was a hyper responder to gear, but yes he had godawful biceps insertion, bad structure, narrow clavicles etc
Franco Columbu is not a great example of bad genetics, you have to reevaluate your sight of view, cause say that a Mr.Olympia has bad genetics... Is not being in his right mind
Franco should have never won any mr Olympia
Take away the pecks and lats and what does franco have? Small arms. Terrible legs. No balance.
tbh I like Franco's physique waaay better than Frank Zane's. He looks thicker and more powerful. In terms of raw athleticism, Franco could have a pretty good argument for best of his era. I'm a big Franco fan so I'm probs a bit bias.
Zane doesn't look proportional v taper isn't complimented by legs
I'd like to see amongst the natural body builders who is actually genetically gifted and who is not. You can't really see that well with heavy steroids users, because it's a kind of leveller. With natural ones you either have it, or you haven't. Simple.
Leroy colbert was the most genetically gifted builder of all time...i saw a picture taken of him at age twelve and he was developed even then!!
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Robbie Robinson , Samir Bannout, Lee Priest, Phil Heath, Flex Wheeler, Kai Green. These are gifted bodies!
I knew Branch would be on here .
Dude looked like Crazy Frog on juice .
When he was older, sure. Look at him when he was young though.
@@cencil6497 Indeed . Polumboism ?!
6:30 The guy you're comparing 'Paco' Bautista with is Jaroslav Horvath (from Slovakia just like Krizo) who placed 4th at Mr.O 2011 in 202-212 category. A quite aesthetic bodybuilder - reminds me of a smaller Milos Sarcev.
franco getting the mr o win in 1981 was a travesty
You can thank Arnold for that
The late great legend and first Mr.Olympia Larry Scott was another. He himself admitted he had "wide hips, narrow shoulders,short and just a scrawny spud picker from Idaho."....(How can you not love Larry?)
That is why he went all out on developing his delts, to give the illusion of width. Of course those famous guns helped draw attention but he also claimed Vince Gironda teaching him how to pose, greatly helped showing off his strong points and hiding his flaws. ...(very important)
If you notice, even in picture's most of Larry's camera angles come from down to up and he is constantly tilting, turning or twisting his waist while drawing attention to his arms.
Note, how much Arnold did this as well.
A well selected posing routine can do wonders.
Paco had one of the best arms and legs ever, he reminds me a bit of Nick walker
I would also place Jim Quinn in this list. His obliques made his waist look very wide. His calves weren't too great either.
Most guys when asked always respond that they would love to have Zane's physique
Frank Zane should be on this list, great structure, but I consider him to be a hard-gainer, an ectomorph. He was just unable to pack on enormous muscles like most other bodybuilding legends. Richard Gaspari also.
Zane was not a pure ectomorph but an ecto/ meso combination with long arms and a thick torso.
@samonusuke1What methods are those? I’m interested to know
@samonusuke1 Oh I thought you meant in terms of training
Umm Franco's chest was ridiculous tho
Patrick Moore and Hubert Mentz are built very similar, Patrick has ridiculously long limbs
Never got the Patrick Moore thing, he looks like an empty clothes hanger
Best Genetics of all time = Danny Padilla. Zero weaknesses when he was peaked. He looks like Arnold with the long legs sawed off and his legs were more fully developed. Next would be Lee Priest.
But in the tall men's cat. Arnold is the best.
Big Lenny has the best genetics I've ever seen. For this list.
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Good point because dont like Nick Walker's physique flow, but I do appreciate the muscle dryness, separation and ability to enhance what he has.
Did you just say Franko doesn't have a chest what?...
Don't get it twisted, these "bad" genetics pros have much better genetics than the average guy in the gym.
Don't mean to be heretical here but Arnold did have some genetic/structural disadvantages that he had to overcome. One was his somewhat narrow and droopy shoulders. If you look at him standing relaxed in a line up that becomes apparent. Of course his other features more than made up for that deficit.
I think another thing ppl don’t talk about either is arm length…especially serge and Arnold. When you have long arms plus wide bones you have so much more potential to fill out your arms especially when you hit a front double with long thick arms and wide shoulders 1:16
I have bad genetics but still tanned up and competed and stepped on stage, 2nd place in my first competition. The discipline and art of dieting is what appealed to me. Strength sports was my forte, I was built for strength but aspired for aesthetics....
I think bodybuilders success is determined by, in order of importance;
1. Hard work in gym
2. Steroids
3. Genetics
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That's why the Open class at The Oyimpa is crap. The prize fund should be the same across all categories so that a person can compete at a level and graduate in the next class over time; after all, this is meant to be a healthy sport.
I always thought Franco had great genetics besides his height
I never really thought of Porter having bad genetics. Unfortunately his competition was unworldly.
Yes, Porter was actually very complete. Symmetrical and aesthetic. And his back when he won the NOC was fantastic. he was a shorter guy, but bad genetics?? Definitely not!! He beat Kevin Levrone when both were debuting as pros!!
@@mikthe2004Agreed, it's perplexing to hear anyone say that Porter has "bad genetics". He had a very balanced physique, no overpowering bodyparts, and no glaring weaknesses.
Perhaps that's his "weakness"; the fact that he didn't have any body parts that really stand out.
Sorry Marx, I'm disliking this video. You've worked hard making it and packed in masses of detail, and I'm taking nothing away from that.
The great work and sculpting done over years to achieve perfect or near perfect proportions and symmetry eg Arnold, Zane, Oliva, Serge Nubret and others, is totally undermined by the sweeping generalisation 'Oh they had great genetics'.
By the same token, looking at guys who didn't make the top tier, and concluding that "they had bad genetics" is an easy cop out.
The whole point of proper bodybuilding for each individual, is too not just take advantage of the parts which develop easily, but to also identify those parts which naturally lag behind, and work harder on those areas to avoid imbalance.
Basically, if genetic shortcomings are still evident in the finished article, that shows the effort put in, in the gym, was not allocated to the best effect.
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Is not that Franco had bad genetics, its just that the other guys had a way better structure for sure. I agree
Porter Cottrell had bad aesthetics? That's actually kind of shocking to me. I thought he had fantastic lines.
BB youtubers be like: "No disrespect to athleates but...."
Also BB youtubers: " *Worst genetics ever* !!!!!"
Are Athleates the same as Atlhletes ?
I don't know how you can possibly say that Franco columbo had bad genetics. The guy was a freak, so what if he was 5 foot three he was extremely strong, and when he was in shape, he looked as good as any man's just that standing next to him, he didn't look that great, but bad genetics. I wish I had such a bad genetics.
All this video does for me it's prove how empty a statement "bad genetics" is. You see any of these "bad genetics" people on the street or in your gym and they're the best looking/strongest dude around/in there. Average Joes will be saying all these dudes have GREAT genetics and have 1000 questions for them on how to hopefully one day look as GOOD as them.
IMO... the whole "genetics" excuse is just that. Any fucking dude or chick will look like a million bucks if they just eat properly and workout consistently/religiously... fact.
I'd say the only "bad genetics" people in this video was the dude intro Pic and then the dude with oddly proportioned body with comically long legs compared to how short his torso was. And that's only "bad" because he looks like he was pieced together with spare parts by God. But with that spare parts body...... he still packed on muscle, ate properly and got lean (and had "pharmaceutical" help) to look like a million bucks. As for that intro guy - I'm hoping that's photshop. If not it looks like that's what happens when you rely entirely on drugs for too long to maintain your physique. If that is a real Pic I'm willing to bet he looked normal and insanely better pre steroids it at least early on in his steroids taking life. That's got to be photoshop though.
If Hubert had gotten a haircut his shoulders would have looked about 4 inches wider.
Just work with whatever you got. Embrace the grind, because in the end that's all there is.
Phil Heath had freakishly long legs and a short torso too. Great 3D effect, but his muscles looked soft like he was a filled up water balloon sculpture
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Tom platz said : I will not be a victim of my genetics
I have to say that Dave Palumbo had horrible genetics but he trained hard and has a ton of knowledge about diet, training and using gear and how it affects the body.
I actually think his back and legs were pretty strong imo.
Him calling the gyno a “fig newton” had me in tears 😂😂😂😂
So what is a fig newton normally? Im from Holland and never heard about it.
Franko Columbu not only had an incredible strong, indeed he was an international powerlifter and bodybuilder, he also had an incredible chest splitted in 4 parts during his posing, he nickname was "THE BAT" cause is back was broad as the wings of a bat. This man lift cars, he inflated and exploded hot water bottles. I think you don't know anything about Franko, and you judge him by his height. No offense but ridiculous video.
Arnold had long legs and short torso but he had great genetics
Franko Columbo owns everything to Arnold and joe weider fixing the contests.Franko was 5 ft. 5 inches tall with bebe biceps
Hey Marx you think you could do a video on John Hnatyschak and tell us what you think.
First dude looks like Steven segal if he tries bodybuilding
Thanks for this video. Never really noticed Paco but now that I see him...that's what my frame looks like. Argh. We are like meso endomorphs if u believe in that sorta thing. We can get big and strong without taking anything but we'll never be thin and slim.
Paco is a legend in Spain
Best genetics ever was Shawn Ray, then Flex Wheeler, then weirdly Andrew Jacked. Those tie-ins are perfect. The way the lines all meet up
5:23 Look at Shawn's mid section ....
Just ridiculous . Looks like a Fitness competitor , while still packing mass .
Dave Palumbo should be on this list. He had freaky size, conditioning and vascularity but not the best structure.
Yo my man great great analysis . Im really seeing what you guys are seeing as a body builder.
Porter Cottrell is one of the nicest guys you could ever meet.
i love videos about genetics please make way more videos on this topic
Off the top. Boyer Coe ,Mike Mentzer, Danny Tinerino (?). I think these guys had to work twice as hard just to place. Franco was just short. Danny Padilla too. They had all the hallmark attributes except height.
Padilla had great genetics for a midget. If he was 6'2, he would've looked like Arnold. Very similar lines
6:50 That double gyno
Franco Columbu Actually Had Better Genetics Then Arnold More Muscle Separation,Smaller Waist,More Proportionate. He Didn't Have A Wide Waist IDK WTF You've Been Smoking And Drinking 😂. His Arms Peaked Up High Like Arnold's His Arms Weren't Long Insertions Like Sergio Olivas Arms. His Only Disadvantage Was His Height Structure Was Good.
I don’t understand the “this is before they had GH’s”?? Like guys now don’t have all the same issues as 1970’s era? Makes no sense that comment. CBuM has a Billion$ & has been working on Arms for nearly a decade. There’s no magic, never was.😮for some inexperienced guys.
Larry Scott had a narrow shoulder width, wide waist, short legs with so-so calves.
cool video- loved it! thanks Mark!!!!!!!
This video makes me feel better about my genetics 😂
Paco's legs were phenomenal
It seems harsh on Porter especially when you give Warren a pass. Porter had a pretty good aesthetic physique by comparison. Even Arnold commented on Francos seemingly lack of potential ("bow legged") but in his best form, he didn't have a lot of weak points. Funny thing about genetics, you never know how good or bad they are unless you try.
Porter had damn good genetics. Very balanced physique, and structurally better than Warren for sure.
Mike Katz should be on this list
Oliva either didn't flex properly or he had to diet more
Arnold looks closer to 6 ft
. Maybe 6 ft 1 inches tall. Why is everyone saying he is 6ft 2, I've even heard 6 3
Hubert Metz German Legend✌🏼
Great vid Mark!!!!!! Yep you can have great genetics in one area and not in other areas. When someone has multiple genetic advantages in numerous areas they rise to the top. Like Ronnie, great ability to put on head to toe mass, great ability for conditioning, and imo great aesthetics all together, the Quan
Ronnie had crappie abs
@@richardlawson6787 agreed, tho better in 98, 99 etc than later on in his career
Arnold also had a great back for that time as a bonus to his genetics....
Yeah but we are talking about the worst not the best. He is in the league of best .
the rooster deserves an honourable mention
Would Flex wheeler vs Chris bumstead be a good match up? Would love to hear ur “food for thought “ on it*
Look at the fig Newton's on Paco 😂
Frank Zane should be on this list. He won three olympias looking like a Zumba trainer.
@5:20 I know its unrelated to the video. And however you may feel about him, Shawn Ray looked incredible in that front relaxed pose. That mid section is chiseled.
This vid just proves biased not overcoming
I think there’s a difference between bad genetics and those who are not working toward symmetry.
1994 Mr Olympia line up.. Olympia has a habit of awarding the guy with the worst midsection the Mr Olympia title.
'overcame their genetics'?
Yeah that's a thing...
0:34 Franco Columbu. Leo.
2:28 Arnold Schwarzenegger. Leo.
2:51 Hubert Metz. Aries/Pisces.
4:13 Chris Dickerson. Virgo/Leo.
5:03 Porter Cottrell. Virgo.
6:12 Paco Bautista. Pisces.
7:28 Branch Warren. Pisces/Aquarius.
(Now let the comments fly
about the real sh*t.
For starters 'The Worst Genetics'
is a very misleading term
and should be avoided)
Franco and Arnold were lovers in the early days. No wonder he was always front and center in the bodybuilding world. Arnold saw to it.
Franco had incredible genetics for torso ( chest, back,.delts, abs) . His arms while not " small" were not in proportion.
His legs weren't " small" but had an unusual shape in part due to being bowlegged and hus calves were Ok.
Porter Cortrel had great genetics.
These people who you call " less than great genetics "are still in a better form than the half planet of average joe.
2nd from the left mogs them all in all levels, name of the guy?
Great video topic!
Everyone on this list has elite genetics otherwise they would not be pros. They may well have body parts that were weak, so a genetically weak part but not overall.
Through in Robbies calves, Ruhls triceps for example. Great bodies, poor body part.
Franco Columbo bad genetics?!?!. Look at photos of him was he was young. He had phenomenal genetics. His muscle density for a guy of his height at that time was incredible. Huge, separated legs were not as much of a priority back then.