the tenno family: lotus/margulis: space mom ballas: space mom's toxic and controling ex erra: space uncle hunhow: space grandpa stalker: space weird cousin who comes through for you in the end tenshin: space godfather ordis: space family butler
Kahl 175 spitting out a tooth and racking a coronth prime will forever be the best version of the tough guy cliche in gaming for me. Grineer never having heard of leg day, the fact that the Corinth pumps backwards, him having just minutes ago ripped off his prosthetic eye and the scarred over socket left behind... It just works. Kahl is the best. Clem and kahl need to have a team up arc at some point. I would play the hell out of that!
@@Frozen_Hope Probably kahl saving clem, because clem is a deserter so he wouldn't save or kahl just outright kill kahl but kahl isn't loyal to the queens so he wouldn't mind clem being a deserter, and since kahls motive is to protect his brothers he'd have motive to save clem
You know a lore video is gonna be lit when it starts with “I had to brush up on quantum physics and Egyptian hieroglyphics for this video”. You put an incredible amount of work into this. This is masterful. Thank you!
@@SocraTetris no problem! You definitely earned my sub with this video and I plan to watch through your other videos. It’s interesting to see game stories examined through a more philosophical and well researched lens. With the effort you put into your videos (and that smooth as butter accent) you’re gonna blow up on here man. I look forward to seeing where your content goes!
What's interesting about the veil visions we see is that it's entirely possible we could find an alternate timeline version of Ballas who actually did take the Tenno in as their loving Father figure while Margulis and Lotus betrayed and hated us. Given we know alternate timelines are real and accessible through the Void, we could actually meet that gaslight version of Ballas as a real person.
I suppose if it were possible in the game's history, then it could be explored. But it would have to be an entirely different Ballas and Natah. I just don't see any orokin being a good person
@@SocraTetris The Entrati are at least not completely terrible people, so a version of Ballas that wasn't a complete shitheel is likely a possibility. Unlikely, sure, but possible. In all likelihood he'd be more like Dutch from RDR: still a bad person and mostly in it for himself, but taking the Tenno in to feel like a father and have cool children while managing to raise them decently well (or into evil tyrant versions of themselves if DE wanted to add an evil alt-history Orokin supporting Tenno faction to the game as elite enemies, which would certainly be interesting). It could also be the old "he's a bad guy, but a good dad" sorta thing as well; even certain flavors of monsters can still be capable of love and affection.
If i remember The Entrati's storyline well enough, before the Tenno arrived to do their quests, they had been quite cruel to each other and entirely estranged. I'm not saying that real people can't have that kind of nuance, but they just don't write the Orokin that way. Now The Infested are absolutely written that way. Infested see warframe as family and are confused when they don't assimilate. The Entrati have also been infested, which has a hive mind and will of its own. So in a weird, virology point of view, The Entrati are like Warframe cousins through the infested. So there are reasons other than some orokin being okay for why they can become good.
"Just because anything that is possible happens, that does not mean anything's possible" I like to believe that Ballas is such a tool that it transcends reality and consequently all Ballas' are assholes.
@@SocraTetris the Entrati aren't as bad, but after playing through Veilbreaker and hearing how Daughter treats Kahl it's obvious that she still has a long way to go.
Fun fact: Amar's skull isn't a wolf skull at all, it's the skull of an ancient species of dolphin (you can even see the forehead bump used for echolocation). I suppose one could argue dolphins are the wolves of the sea since sharks do not hunt in packs, but dolphins do.
Dolphins are the Wolves of the Sea is my new catchphrase! lol. But that is a fun fact. I never realized that dolphin skulls could be so horrific! Definitely a better choice than a wolf or a jackal skull
"hey did you watch the whole 12 hour long Story explanation of Warframe?" "ye i´ve watched the whole thing" "what did you learn about the story?" "dude you have to be a master student of eygiptian, buddhism and Plato`s philosophy to even get close to understand this story" "so you cant sum this up for me?" "dude stalker is our cousin!"
@@SocraTetris you also inadvertently depicted warframe as a thorough example of historical materialism through a storyline lol, which technically is also a critique of plato's republic, among other things
@@Null82085 I always thought stalker more as hunhow's pet coyote / wild dog. Given that hunhow never leaves around Uranus he is the only real company he has. besides the little drones he makes and the grineer he kills regularly.
The Kahl mission segment was more fun than I expected. I love my frames but playing as one of these foot soldiers from a traditionally hostile faction is really interesting and something I had wished to do ever since my first invasion mission. Also I knew Vay Hek was mega aggresive but I didnt know he communicated like that with his soldiers too lol
it was a really nice breath of fresh air for the gamepla at the start. But I think by the end of the quest it got a little tedious. Could've done with a bit less walking and pistol/bow spamming gameplay and more actual warframing as this is what i signed up for but eventually got it done.
No one ever mentions the fact Veso truly went out on his own terms. His own principles and beliefs. Instead of listening to Alad V, who is willing to change his alignments to whoever is the greater power just for survival. The different views and cultural stand points are very interesting, it's just the fact that the grineer seek to stick together and depend on one another, even declaring their sacrifice for their brothers and sisters even. While the corpus are greedy, typically seeing a loss as potential profit. Yet when it comes down to it are willing to sacrifice for said profit. It's alot to think about, there's much to read and understand. But let's remember.. DE are doing all this as a free to play game, with deeper meaning behind their story. Thankfully with content creators who make understanding all of it easier. Love the videos, thank you for making them.
With the void trickery wally has I like to think that him coming out like that stone thing was a sort of "joke" Especially with him sitting on top laughing histerically. Could be wrong, but I find it funny.
Since Void manifests itself through People's emotions, thoughts and perception. I'm pretty sure that because we heard about it from Rell's shizo rants as "man in the wall" and from Entrati we know of a cut off finger - i'm pretty sure we ourselves made that image in the Void to appear to us. A fucking man stuffed in a wall with his finger cut the hell off. And i find that idea so fucking funny
We're all itching for some fresh shooty-stab gameplay, but TNW was truly brilliant imo. Advanced the world, tied up loose ends, and put some interesting pieces in play. Looking forward to this iceberg!!
The last point you made is exactly why I picked the Lotus. Not so much because that is how we first met her, but because that is the choice she had made for herself. Even against her "programming" if you can call it that. (Also, thanks for all the longform videos you made. Am going through all of them while cracking relics)
I picked Lotus as well because we as the Operator wanted nothing more than to set her free. Free from the expectations of Hunhow and Erra, free from the expectations of Ballas. Free from being defined by them and their actions! No other choice is in character to the Operator than picking the Lotus. Picking the Lotus makes her both Natah and Margulis and in being both, she becomes neither. Natah is not compassionate and Margulis is not ruthless, but the Lotus is.
I'd quibble with the alignment presentation at the end for the Lotus. I believe the intent was for yang to be strength, hence then Sentient general and queen, Natah. Yin, compassion, the loving and understanding Margulis. Yin yang, the balance, strength and compassion, the Lotus. Associating Ballas with yin decisions and even colloquially referring to it as darkness, presents a negative view that makes the choice sound evil. Yin isn't evil and attaching the baggage of a literal wife beater to a decision does not paint it in a positive light. While we the player make the choice for gameplay reasons, this story moment is one of autonomy for the Lotus. Canonically she is deciding what she wants for herself and her future. That Ballas happened to want one of the choices is irrelevant and it certainly wouldn't have factored into the decision of the Lotus.
I don't think we should look at the narrative of Ballas as somehow being now removed from the equation and outside of the Lotus's decision making. Ballas happened and effected her. Ballas wanted her to be Margulis. Just as both Hunhow and Erra wanted her to be Natah. I'm not associating Yin as evil in that final segment. Yang is the masculine, and associated with Ballas, thus Margulis is Yin. Ballas is an abuser, but that doesn't necessitate that all Yang is abusive. The story has plenty of moments in which Yang is a perfectly reasonable choice. Any choice at these moments either shows choosing a balance or an imbalance. So if we choose Yin, something else has to be Yang. Just as if we chose Yang (Natah) something else would have to be Yin. I stand by my interpretation that The Lotus is the only identity that she chose for herself. So I find it appropriate to associate that with both the concept of balance and being the truest version of her own agency.
One thing about the alignment is it isn’t good vs evil but ideals the wiki describes them as such Sun alignment is gained by choosing actions which make the player passionate and hasty. Neutral alignment is gained by choosing actions representing a balanced state of mind between inaction and action Moon alignment is gained by choosing actions that makes the player pragmatic and idealistic. The choice is based on the faces she wore , natah hasty acted and threw everything at her goals. margulis we see act in pragmatic and idealistic hoping to save the teno. lotus a balance between the two and we see dip in both sides
As a person that really likes philosophy, this video is SO GOOD, the problem with the new war for me is more lore oriented tbh, the system didn't change that much post quest, Umbra was a massive plot point before the new war and was just ignored in the actual quest, ballas, who was already the main villain, keeps being the main bad guy instead of the lotus' brother and the duviri paradox stuff could've been done in a better way instead of just fucking it up w different timelines travel
I also was pretty disappointed that Umbra wasn't really significant. They aimed high, they accomplished a lot, but a lot of things also kind felt like side notes. Overall, I think it was still good, and there's still time for more Duviri Paradox stuff to come.
So sad to see Veso gone. Really wish to see him join Kahl's garrison or have his own Veilbreaker arc, maybe he becomes a SU agent with Biz as the guide?
When it came time to choose which voice would be the dominant personality for Lotus I had a lot of trouble of deciding between Margulis and Lotus. I eventually chose Margulis because to me it represented a version of lotus that no longer felt she had to feel like she had to stand at arms length from us but could stand next to the tenno and the family she sacrificed so much for.
See, when i did the quest, i did the drifter for the one who finishes it. Honestly, i love how how when they first use the Warframe, they seem to be entirely unused to it
This was brilliant. When playing through it, while I had a notion of the narrative, a lot of it was going over my head at the time. This amazing and thorough examination have given me a whole new appreciation for the story of it. However, now I really do regret my choice of naming her Natah at the end. I agree wholeheartedly with Lotus being the most appropriate name for her. After all, it was the only one she ever chose for herself.
Lotus was never real and Margolis is already dead meaning the only RIGHT choice is Natah the only personality that was REAL , Natah deserves their freedom from the memories of Margolis and the lie that was the lotus
I know everyone adores Kahl (how could you not?) but I have to give so much respect to Veso. My man has never seen battle before, is just an engineer, and is following the orders of Alad V. He then proceeds to take on sentients, controlled Corpus bots including a Jackal, and then refuses Alad's command and sacrifices himself to fight the Sentients. He went from nerd to Isaac Clarke and I love him for that
I'm glad you picked the operator too! Even though both the operator and the drifter are one they still have separate experiences and understandings. It would feel wrong to have another you finish the story with the Lotis while you sit in limbo. I hope we continue both the operator's and the drifter's stories together and don't abandon the operator. also I'm just connected to my operator as " me" after being with them for years and years.
I think with Duviri, we are are going to focus more on the Drifter's POV as a starting point for new players, but that story will eventually catch up to the New War.
I recently discovered this video and channel, and I'm extremely happy to have done so. As a Warframe veteran, and an Egyptian, this video fills me with much joy seeing the effort you put into researching my history, culture and heritage to better educate other Tenno on the story. This video is amazing, thank you for this
I have no questions about warframe lore anymore. Thanks to you I can Almost clearly predict what will happen in the next few updates. I appreciate the time, effort and transparency of the entire video. Your understanding has cleared up the cloud of confusion that I and many people have struggled with. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and ideas. Your Hardwork will not go unnoticed. I'm looking forward to seeing what else you can do for your audience. I will admit that I had to Google most of what you explained. For that, I respect your extensive knowledge and understanding. I have much to learn. Since You've taught me so much, I subscribed. Thanks for clearing the lampshade. I can't wait to see your next video. Thank you.
I am glad you got so much out of it! And don't worry, I had to do a ton of research to put this together. Only a few bits of outside knowledge to guide that research. For example, I learned of "the dispute between man and his ba" from the History of Africana Philosophy Podcast a few years ago. I highly recommend their series on Philosophy. 👍🏾
the last choice was hard since it is permanent (unless they decide we can change that later) , i thought a lot about who should i choose , i know lotus from her interaction and story , i also know natah , but i know nothing about margulis , but taking into how the story happened , with margulis dying, and balas forcing a sentient to merge with her corpse so he can still have her , so for me the role of natah and lotus is complete , if i can choose someone to have a new chance in life, it was margulis , call it selfishness , for me , it was the correct choice in this parallel world.
I'm not judging your choice at all. Of course my video just highlights my own thought process. But I would like to ask a question about your thought process. Is the reason you see Margulis as having more freedom of choice based on we, the player/tenno, knowing the least about them? If so, that would present an argument that other people's agency is based on our knowledge of them. Inversely, that would mean us knowing someone removes their agency. I wouldn't follow that reasoning, because our ego shouldn't be the deciding factor in another person's agency. Choosing Margulis doesn't resurrect Ballas's Margulis. That was his mistake. Though, of course, I could be misunderstanding what you meant here.
@@SocraTetris as i said, with what the game has presented (and a lot i forgot in the quests) , lotus and natah had one deep desire , and both managed to complete it , while margulis did not achieved it , also has the thing that natah was war focused, lotus was okay with warring if was required, but margulis was for peace , but most of my arguments can be countered, maybe i was just over influence of Ordis when he said that trying to keep them "alive" was just plain torture , so margulis was the lesser evil i was doing , so i guess i would like someone different to overseer the missions, since it is a new era , maybe someone different could be better. ofc i dont want to bring back ballas margulis , no one is the same after death . This was the chance for DE to make what some youtubers made as a joke but could work, having more options for mission overseers , it could spice things up, havin TilRegor as overseer, or maybe other cephalos like Cy or suda , silmaris , etc . So it isnt a good answer, but that is all i can say , i wanted lotus and natah to finally have some rest , so margulis had to step in .
I greatly appreciate the historical, philosophical and religious lessons imparted in this breakdown. I was oblivious to it all when I first went thru The New War and no WF lore creator, to my knowledge, had pieced it together this way. Fantastic work. 👍
Glad you enjoyed it, GhostRydr. From your user handle, I think you would also like my video on The Abyss of Dagath. I have plenty more where this one came from.
@@SocraTetris Thank you. As an aside, I think I actually read a bit of the Argument Between a Man and his Ba before. Neil Gaiman mentioned a bit of the Death is Before me bit during issue 8 of his Sandman series, the first appearance of the titular character's sister, Death.
The only Neil Gaiman comic i've read was "Death The High Cost of Living." I always meant to go back to the other ones, cuz it was a great, self contained story.
The jump had a problem, it hit a wall . maybe that person on top of the man in the wall was the tenno version stabbed by ballas and entered the void , we lost our connection to it, so the man on the wall took it as his "warframe" . with this new war, the trailer for the paradox of duviri ,made a lot more sense .
Truely the developers knew what they were doing when they created this space epic. Im in tears after revisiting this, and somehow WF has burrowed it's way into my heart. Both Lotus' and our character's development were amazing, and I cant wait to sit down and revisit this on my character.
It is cool, right? I think Warframe will eventually go there, but I don't think that DE will treat it like just another place you can be. It's gonna be some trippy, sci-fi locale like what we are about to get with the void in the duviri paradox
Recently finished the 9h iceberg and moved straight to this one, great work and I hope even more people find your these videos in the future. At the end of the quest I went with the choice of Natah despite usually choosing balance, because I felt like that was who she really is, Margulis and Lotus being impersonations, but your arguments here really made me see this in a new light, I never was able to think of it that deeply. Now I kinda wish I could still change it (yes, the skin can be changed but based on the prompt upon selection during the quest I think her "identity" remains)
I'm glad you have enjoyed them! And i wouldn't worry too much about which character choice you made. Knowing DE, it may adjust some dialogues in the future, or she may show up like that in a cutscene or two. Much like the YinYang choices, I don't think it is going to create a limit or consequence in the future. I think it is more there to cause the player to stop and consider what the options mean.
Wow, this video is amazing. I'm genuinely impressed it doesn't have more views and I'm happy this video popped up in my recommendation. It makes me think of how deep the Warframe lore is Also, I wantet to share my thought: when Erra said "Don't be afraid" it really made me think of true biblical angels (not the people with wings but rather a thing of wings and eyes) According to my knowledge angels would appear in front of people saying " Fear me not" and it made me see Erra as if he was a fighting angel, gathering more followers to his "religion"
Oh, that's good. Erra's language in future sections of the game also follow very biblical-themed language. Most recently matching the poetic imagery of Revelations.
The story of the man and his soul really touched me... Funny to think that such an old text says things we hear every age: the state of the world around us, the misery and injustices, the greed and egoism of people. This is awesome.
This is the major thing I take away from that story. Here is someone at some of the earliest civilization lamenting how terrible life/society is, but it is for the exact same reasons we become lonely and depressed today. Yet I would ask anyone if modern society is worse than when he lived. I dont think anyone would honestly answer yes. The human experience is always the same, but we do oush our society to always improve
Hey new here! I love your channel and I adore Warframe lore! Your unique perspective really highlights how much thought the writers at DE put into the story!
This quest blew me away when it released, incredible writing and very involved gameplay with all the different things you do. From fighting as kahl 175 to using the nataruk for the first time to fighting ballas himself.., Just amazing! Great video Love from Sweden
I watched the 9 hour video at first and I loved what you had, but I couldn't stand the empty gameplay moments. Now that you edited that out you are now one of my favorite channels
Even that 9 hour video had tons of hours edited out (about 12 hours cut). The hour rerelease even moreso. and every warframe video i've made since is sticking to this style. But that 9 hour one is still thevmost successful of all of them. audiences prefer it
@@SocraTetris I just find myself skipping through it a lot rather than being mesmerized or in thought. I'm just skipping forward until I hear you talk again, basically.
You may prefer to read my wordpress blog, but it is not as up to date as the playlist on my channel. I originally made these in commentary style because no one speak to knows anything about warframe. I see it as a way to both preserve the story of this live-service game, as well as why it is meaningful to people. I got lucky that people who know the story also found value in re-experiencing it. I'm happy with you watching it anyway that it best. But I will be sticking to the commentary style. It seems to resonate with most people who watch it.
Man, I remember playing the campaign with a Mag as my choice for frame, imagine my reaction when seeing the first Archon the game throws at us. Also, I wish we could've keep the Drifter's arsenal of moves and equipment possibilities, imagine being able to hold your Warframe's primary as your operator if needed, plus four abilities unique to the Tenno.
I willingly went and replayed this quest and The Sacrifice after Jade Shadows. I knew Ballas was a madman for what he did to "those three," but making some connections makes what he did a helluva lot worse.
I finally finished this Questline a few days ago and I was, (as with all Warframe Quests), totally blown away. WF seems to be able to go from strength to strength and the variety in gameplay is just way too good.
I finished this quest today and I didn't think I could love this game even more than I did, then it hit me with metaphysical concepts, quantum physics and ancient philosophical thoughts, all subjects that I loved since my teenage years. Thank you for making this beautiful video friend, it put many of my thoughts into words and much more, I learned a lot from this 💙
A cool thing I kinda thought of while watching this is that, since Era is powerful enough its possible he can come back, possibly when he "died" he becomes an eidolon and his father still showing love for him rescues him and restores him.
Since Erra is a Sentient, I think it's actively likely that his Eidolon is out there somewhere. He's probably not doing too good though. "Even for us, Death leaves a mark" and all that
Wild theory: Drifter uses a lot of contemporary quips like "stay cool" (which ordis doesnt understand) and "youre not at youre fighting weight, lady" (which makes no sense in WF universe). At first i thought it was just cheesey writing, but maybe Drifter's timeline is wayyyy before Operator's, similar to our "modern day"? Drifter also has intimate knowledge of Operator's abilities/adventures and explains to Ordis that "they havent gotten their powers yet". Itd be a ridiculous twist, but what if Drifter got dropped off in a timeline/reality where Warframes only existed in the minds of DE? Then recognized themselves in the game and.. idk. Crazy idea. Eternalism is kooky
If such were possible, then it's actual, according to Eternalism. However, I think we are meant to see that the Drifter and the Operator diverged at the Void jump incident. So the attitude I think is just a part of the Drifter being read as older. Like a kinda cringe coping mechanism. Their knowledge of the operator may be from being in the Void and having greater access to possible realities, or they were filled in by Ordis during The New War before we regained connection to the Operator
well its cuz the drifter has lived their life in the void..which is plane which consists of both the past and future..of all possibilities and it all exists simultaneously.
Hey man, I'm sorry patreon is somewhat out of my reach right now. But I'm 100% subscribing to anyone that puts this much work into their videos. Hope more people notice your channel you deserve a lot more subs
This is amazing work! I think this is the most entertained I’ve ever been while watching a video on philosophy. Be proud of your work dude and keep it up!
33:00 There's also the sound of the Lotus struggling. It's not a nice sound. A very specific sound. 39:30 Ah yes, Narm. The TvTropes shorthand for horrible overacting. It fits Ballas, the man named after the GTA San Andreas gang. 1:03:40 Not Volt. Loki. Boreal's body is a Loki
For the choice, I had to go with Natah. It is who she is. I can see the "Arah wanted her to be Natah, Ballas wanted her to be Margulis". I didn't want to replace that with "Tenno want her to be Lotus". Great video, except you spoke over the man in the wall's entrance :p
TMITW needs to be spoken for. (aka, the scene so short that if i waited for it to finish then i would have had to replay it maybe more than once to read the script and still have space for the Lotus section. I felt that would have undercut the moment even more.) These are the challenges are the challenges that come with trying to fit my script into the runtime of the quest while also removing gameplay sections which people complained were excessive in the original video. It's a constant balancing act.
@@SocraTetris Sorry, it's hard to communicate "jokes" in text. It really isn't a problem, that entrance is just one of personal favourite bits ever. It's so...well, just obscure. I assume anyone who watches this will have seen it anyway, you do what you've gotta do sir. It's not like I've made any amazingly in-depth analysis videos.
The Tenno accepted her in whatever form she was, even an Eidolon. And at the end they guide her to choose whatever she wants to. I cannot see where the Tenno wanted her to be Lotus. She became Radiant Lotus by her own will after sucking Ballas' energy. As stated in the video, Radiant Lotus was the only form no one had chosen for her.
Playing the game, at the part where we got to the stairs at 1:41:00 , I noticed that one side of the stairs was lit while the other was dark almost seeming if that in itself was also a choice, though they led to the same place. Maybe it was foreshadowing the choice that would soon be made?
Thanks for the correction! I actually wasn't to sure and writing right on the heels of the release while avoiding spoilers. I actually thought it was volt cuz of the weird leg protrusions on the knees. But I'm sure the lightning influenced me too!
I just finished the video! Great analysis of the New War quest! I am interested to see how the Narmer faction will affect the Warframe lore after Ballas. It is really interesting to see the faction still alive and kicking after the Grineer and Corpus came back.
2:34:25 Spoiler for those who haven't gotten this far! I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks there is only one real option. She is not Marghulis, as the Orokin tried to force her to be. She is not Natah, as the Sentients tried to force her to continue being. She's somewhere in the middle, the identity she made for herself. The Lotus is the only correct choice.
Thank you for providing this kind of insight. Your perspective on these things is very unique to me and it's quite nice to hear. It's a shame all I have is complaining in comparison because despite how amazing New War was, I just wish New War had been longer. Despite the time it takes to actually complete it, it somehow still felt as though it was moving too fast, trying to grapple with too much all at once to wrap up in one go the way it did. My major, never ending gripe with the game is that it is so worried about making meaningful changes to the state of the world (an possibly upsetting people with it) that it feels as if it cripples its own story in it's efforts to rush back to an overall status quo. Yeah, sure, there's the Zariman, there's some hulks dotting the starchart, but what does any of that matter when it hardly feels as though any real change was made to the world? When faction leaders go on about their merry way as if nothing just happened? Going immediately back to Corpus oppression and Grineer brutality like it's just another good 'ol Tuesday in the Origin System. A smattering of one-off acknowledgements (and someone being replaced with a hologram) doesn't really do much for me.
That's one of the struggles of the Games as Service model. Warframe has been careful to try to only build on top of what they have already done with the story. Take something like Destiny where previous story content is lost forever because they wrote over it with the next thing. DE never saw much success trying to create the narrative shooters that were central to the gaming industry when they got started. Just look at how their old Star Trek game went, or how the concept of Warframe was twisted into darkSector by producers to be a Russian Spy-Shooter more reminiscent of Call of Duty and Metal Gear Solid. I would love a return to standalone game development from DE now that they have a successful following. However, I'm also very happy with how DE is expanding into new stories and structures. It feels like we are moving beyond playing as the tenno or as a warframe, because that story reached its zenith with The New War. Now we are playing-in-the-world of Warframe, inhabiting different characters and seeing different stories, while those new settings are then used as setpieces for new gameplay modes for the end game.
@@SocraTetris Absolutely. I'd hate to see older story get vaulted away and I'd love to see something like Tubemen of Rigor come back in the form of another pre-Second Dream story arc as a proper way to explain Alad V losing his infestation strain rather than leaving newer people who weren't there 6+ years ago questioning. In general, with their evolving and better grasp of how to build a narrative, I think it would be fantastic to add some polish to older content and possibly give better direction to newer players rather than simply cut it off and replace it with something else. But I definitely hope that, despite any complaints I have about pacing or plot problems, the fact that TNW and Angels of the Zariman are such large narrative improvements only means good things for the future endgame of Warframe. Oh, and thanks for pointing that out! I'd completely forgotten that Warframe was the original idea and darkSector is what it was made to become.
"I don't have it yet" considering the Drifter is the version AFTER operator got his void power and escaped, the version in wich the operator is stuck in the zariman and create Duviri (void + consciousness = creation of something) then get stuck in a loop inside duviri. That sentence must imply that the Drifter will eventually get these void powers in the future ? In another event implying the man in the wall ?
From Duviri, we know that thr Drifter has access to very limited Sentient powers, but they are weak in the void. The void doesnt necessarily need someone to have powers like the Tenno to keep doing its own thing. (Such as Conceptual Embodiment)
Kahl's segment forced me to reevaluate my respect for the grineer, vay hek is a hype beast and the tube men are brilliant savages. They give zero shits and get things done.
don't know if anyone said this yet but i have to get it out. By my understanding, "observation" in quantum mechanics has nothing to do with a human observer. we think of observing as a pasive act, for example, observing the screen in front of you, or environment around it. however, light is bouncing off of these things and into your eyes. in quantum mechanics, you are observing the smallest things; there is nothing smaller moving around to passively observe, instead you have to throw similar objects and record the interaction. it would be like observing a car in a dark room by throwing more cars at it and recording the debris flying around. by observing, you need to interact, and unpredictably change the scenario. anyways good video!
Lol, well these things happen. I only learned the specific words I needed, and again relied quite heavily on 4 existing translations. But that aspect of this video was by far one of my favorite things I've ever made
Here's something i noticed when ballas stabs the tenno he stabs the Tenno in the exact same spot the phantom blade stabbed The drifter at the beginning of the duviri paradox
I allude to this in my video on the duviri paradox. It establishes that these moments are "simultaneous" insofar as time is part of the conversation. For the players that start woth Duviri and work their way to The New War, it will be a big payoff
I was also thinking about doing that. Had really hoped that would be a part of the story, given how significant The Sacrifice was as a turning point for the story. I'm also disappointed, but I also understanding not wanting to make a story that would exclude players that perhaps did not keep or level Excalibur Umbra over the years.
1:15:00 To be measured, a particle must _interact_ with something. Observation isn't the only type of interaction that causes probability to determine, any kind of interaction does. It's not magic, indeed.
I got to thank you for putting this video together. The new war is a quest that means so dear to me and I've cried multiple times during the quest and during this video. After playing duviri I see it's connections and I makes me love it even more
A year later unlocking the new war and i picked the drifter while he was on the baloon he/she says "shouldve stayed in duviri" pretty neat and also makes sense that the drifter was stuck but not on the zaramin but stuck in duviri until the paradox then got sent to our timeline makes sense now
Oh that is a neat detail I never saw. So perhaps there isn't much more between the end of The Duviri Paradox and when the Drifter shows up during The New War. The one piece we are missing from this order of events is when did the Drifter lose their access to hand of The Lotus?
one thing never made sense to me, the veils seem to make you see things and people from your life in a way that benefits ballas. but the drifter has never met ballas,margulis or the lotus as she was before becoming an eidolon, why would the veil give the drifter visions of ballas and the lotus when hes never seen them, to him they're strangers. this will probably get explained in duviri but this plot hole makes no sense unless we got duviri before the new war for some kind of explanation. if anything the drifter should've seen things from duviri and the zariman
It's a paradox. The drifter is her own person, but simultaneously she is also the tenno. The frame can be shifted in physical space, or why not also the mind?
@SocraTetris true, but I feel like this needs to be further explained in the duviri paradox. At this point in time it's still kind of an open plot point to most
Given that they have said the Duviri Paradox is basically going to be the new onboarding, like an entirely new questline for new players, I wouldn't expect something like the endgame of the original main quest to be the focus or given any time really. There is a lot of stuff about the connection between the operator and the drifter that is left to being esoteric. Rather than seeking a scientific answer, it's best just to call it a spiritual connection.
@muran mana, I think this is quit close. But rather than assuming the Drifter was ignorant of those events, I think the most we can say is that they had some respectable distance because they didnt personally experience those events. We just don't know enough about the Drifter or their story in parallel to the Tenno. They do seem to have some affection for Natah. I expect Duviri Paradox or some future part of the Drifter's story will detail the Drifter meeting Natah when she fell into the void, and bringing her out into the events of The New War.
Love your vids I heard many "fights" between Warframe and Destiny 2 lore people- some say that Destiny is deeper than Warframe, others say the oposite, but I appriciate both for making people get to know phylosophy as they explore the lore and world inspirations. Destiny is far less heavy on the real life phylosophy references (as far as I saw, played and discussed), but it makes you comprehend and make your own. Warframe tho gives you some hefty homework, but a homework that gets you to appriciate the messages.
Hopefully I have made that legwork a bit lighter. I wish I could get into Destiny's lore. But between the two games as service and timed events, I feel as though starting from 0 would be something I simply don't have time for.
@@SocraTetris Yeah. I got into D2 recently, Warframe became overahelming to me and Plains of Eidolon nuked my old computer (yeah, last time I played Plains were the newest thing) so most lore and stuff I know of Warframe is second hand. Destiny's lore, if it comes to messages, is quite more stright forward- tales of nature and how people assign good and evil to it and how wrong it tends to be, how prejudices destroy people, how darkness and light are non-partisan and how people make gods of nature when they don't understand it
@@SocraTetris Well, yeah... consoles aren't exactly popular in my country (beauty of living in Eastern Europe) and I myself am not exactly that deep into MMOs- Warframe got me for so long due to gameplay and controls. I could run it on my current rig, but I don't want to return to the ricefields and besides I have few other games to play (like Wasteland 3 and Dawn of War Unification)
Kahl-175 and Vedo are the mvps of this storyline. Also because of the Rule of Cool trope, our human Drifter can beat fucking Archons with just a bow and yet after that we need to nuke them with a full decked out Phenmor or Kuva Hek. They didn't really get stronger though, it's just they just got added that damage attenuation.
Hear me out, what is Natatuk is actually weaker in Tenni hands, because it is a Sentient made weapon and our void energy weakens it. But for the Drifter, no void powers means full-power destruction-bow
@@SocraTetris That actually makes sense. But what if, it's only weaker in the Warframe's hands? If the Operator wielded it even if they have void powers, they should make it slightly weaker. Honestly Operators are in a big need of overhaul and not just rely on their stupid amps all the time. Operators really need to start using a Primary as well and use amps as secondaries or something. Sure they made them tankier and better in the past year instead of a glorified oh shit button to escape with void sling or just to remove shields from Eidolons but they really need to start pulling their own weight. If anything the New War should have taught them that relying on their wonky void powers and amps can literally get them stabbed in the heart. They need actual weapons training as an Operator not just use it while they're in a frame.
Based on the plato's cave analogy, reality could be interpreted as a projection. Like a 3D image can projected on a 2D screen, our reality is projected as an expression from the void, the Albrecht membrane being the canvas that separates our reality from all possible other ones.
Mm, maybe. But I don't really see simulation theory being present in the story yet. Though personally, I'm just not that into simulation theories. Things like assuming tech progress is always linear/exponential, or that something as complex as the reality we live in could be simulated. Or using probability as a proof that a whole reality outside our reality exists, cuz empirical evidence from our reality wouldn't have any bearing on a hypothetical extra-reality. Y'know what I mean? Plato's allegory of the cave was a metaphor for knowledge/pursuit of learning. It's an epistemology thing, not an ontology thing, y'know?
The final choice DE gives us is a bit strange honestly - Natah allegedly chose to become the Lotus, which would really mean the two aren't distinct. If it was Natah's compassion and desire for family that spurred her to take on the Lotus guise in the first place, then Natah already had within her everything the Lotus stands for, and the "balance between compassion and strength" is within her either way. Disguising herself as a mysterious human was only useful whilst the history of the Sentients was being hidden; now it's kind of redundant. The only way it would be otherwise is if some external factor we don't know about forced her into becoming the Lotus, in which case Natah is the only remotely decent choice. (Maybe there's something to be said for the Lotus figure looking more trustworthy to outsiders than some crazy Sentient form, and thus being a better agent for stability in the system - but Natah's a mimic by blood; she can still take on the Lotus form if and when it actually matters.)
So it's not so much literally choosing one to the exclusion of the others. The voice lines of the operator allude to this. This person has been fractured both in time, and memory, and thus in self-identity. As a mimic, her entire self is bound up in pretending to various roles. As Natah, she fulfills the desires of the Sentient army. As Margulis, she fulfills the desires of the Orokin/Ballus. As The Lotus she stays more true to her personal desires even as she was fulfilling all of these roles. But it is strange that we as the player get to make this choice at all. It's the one and only time we play as The Lotus.
I took a small break from this game a few years ago cause work and moving out on my own. Apparently I've missed a lot. Update:Wow just wow, i truly am speechless. As someone who has struggled with some similar issues that do seem to be mirrored in this quest line I really am just stunned. All I can reall say is this sort of inner conflict of the soul that gets represented out onto the world is very much something we all do maybe not on the same scale as Narmer but it can feel that way. Maybe we should take some games and their ideas more seriously as they seem to be one of the last places that will dare truly touch these sources of knowledge. I haven't felt this torn up and thought provoked since my time playing kotor 2 or maybe even the last of us at times.
@@SocraTetris Glad to see they still care about this game. Been a long time fan and seeing a still free to play game still update and add new content it really makes me happy.
aw, too bad. i love when the vocal track drops. DE needs a but mote practice in the timing of it, but theyve been quite reserved with how they implement vocal music. The Diegetic For For Narmer was awesome, but not quite as well done with the Sisters of Parvos quest
@SocraTetris a ton of people appreciate those songs. I wanted to point to the smaller less noticeable aspects of sound Desi & music. It's so good I can't believe it's free to play
13:29 there's an issue, either the grineer in the lower ranks are not bieng tild about one of the queens bieng killed and are not aware of it,or they are basicly still beleiveing there are two.
Hey Mr. Pidgeon. Check the date. Look at the most recent videos. Change your tone, kinda rude ngl. Warframe is difficult to balance against, because its sfx are tuned much higher than its voices, and not on a consistent basis either. It is audible and plenty of people don't have an issue with it
SocraTetris I do apologize as that was not the intended tonality. It was just painful having to max my earbuds out to hear the gameplay and then jump to half volume for your commentary though I do really appreciate the amount of work that went into making this content.
No worries. And i'm sorry it wasnt a great experience. I test my audio on laptop, speakers, phone speakers, and over the ear headphones. Earbuds have quite limited dynamic range, even the high-end and noise canceling varieties. So they can be difficult to include in that balance
Yeah I went with Lotus too. But I think Natah is also valid. It’s her original identity. It’s what she reverted to, saying “This is the real me.” (Or was that just another lie?) Anyway Lotus was her sui generis identity so I went with that.
There are valid reasons for each choice. Like, for Margulis, one could say that she just wanted to be a mother. She never should have had to take the responsibility of a faction leader/revolutionary. So, as Margulis, she could can a chance at just that.
Here before this blows up
Fingers crossed! Share it around if you feel like it!
it did
Wow mate you were right! Good vid mate it deserves more than 40k views!
@@SocraTetris i hope you have a good day
the tenno family:
lotus/margulis: space mom
ballas: space mom's toxic and controling ex
erra: space uncle
hunhow: space grandpa
stalker: space weird cousin who comes through for you in the end
tenshin: space godfather
ordis: space family butler
TMITW: Space - Guy At The Gas Station Asking Ya to Buy Space Drugs
@@SocraTetris What about Parvos Granum
Uncle erra wasn't so bad you know
@@melonmochi08 you forgot our space aunt vazaria
Khal: space brother
I love how Ordis' has a dialup noise/fax machine noise when he interfaces with the oriphyx field to shut it down. Some machine languages never die.
Ordis is an ol' boy with an ol' system.
@@SocraTetris He's not, though. He was uploaded not long before the Fall.
@@SocraTetris He's much older than simaris, though.
Oh this is REALLY funny after we got more info about WF:1999. There's a LOT of DOS-punk to go around.
I still find it funny that the stalker just stares at you when you ask hunhow for help
it is genuinely funny to see stalker express surprise lile that
then hunhow laugh afterwards
It felt like Stalker is a caretaker for elderly grandpa Hunhow, Who got in the Middle of the uncomfortable family arguing between him and his grandkid
@SocraTetris small correction on when you introduced Boreal, his body is Loki, not volt
Kahl 175 spitting out a tooth and racking a coronth prime will forever be the best version of the tough guy cliche in gaming for me. Grineer never having heard of leg day, the fact that the Corinth pumps backwards, him having just minutes ago ripped off his prosthetic eye and the scarred over socket left behind... It just works. Kahl is the best. Clem and kahl need to have a team up arc at some point. I would play the hell out of that!
that would be awesome!
That would be an amazing mixup for the weeklies, play as Clem saving his homie Kahl and the other way around or smth
@@Frozen_Hope then you get to shoot your way out of the mission, man that'd be so cool
This but doing it like the Franklin and Lamar missions on gta V where it’s coop would be dope as fuck
@@Frozen_Hope Probably kahl saving clem, because clem is a deserter so he wouldn't save or kahl just outright kill kahl but kahl isn't loyal to the queens so he wouldn't mind clem being a deserter, and since kahls motive is to protect his brothers he'd have motive to save clem
You know a lore video is gonna be lit when it starts with “I had to brush up on quantum physics and Egyptian hieroglyphics for this video”.
You put an incredible amount of work into this. This is masterful. Thank you!
Thank you for your kind words, Joseph! :)
@@SocraTetris no problem! You definitely earned my sub with this video and I plan to watch through your other videos. It’s interesting to see game stories examined through a more philosophical and well researched lens.
With the effort you put into your videos (and that smooth as butter accent) you’re gonna blow up on here man. I look forward to seeing where your content goes!
What's interesting about the veil visions we see is that it's entirely possible we could find an alternate timeline version of Ballas who actually did take the Tenno in as their loving Father figure while Margulis and Lotus betrayed and hated us. Given we know alternate timelines are real and accessible through the Void, we could actually meet that gaslight version of Ballas as a real person.
I suppose if it were possible in the game's history, then it could be explored. But it would have to be an entirely different Ballas and Natah. I just don't see any orokin being a good person
@@SocraTetris The Entrati are at least not completely terrible people, so a version of Ballas that wasn't a complete shitheel is likely a possibility. Unlikely, sure, but possible. In all likelihood he'd be more like Dutch from RDR: still a bad person and mostly in it for himself, but taking the Tenno in to feel like a father and have cool children while managing to raise them decently well (or into evil tyrant versions of themselves if DE wanted to add an evil alt-history Orokin supporting Tenno faction to the game as elite enemies, which would certainly be interesting). It could also be the old "he's a bad guy, but a good dad" sorta thing as well; even certain flavors of monsters can still be capable of love and affection.
If i remember The Entrati's storyline well enough, before the Tenno arrived to do their quests, they had been quite cruel to each other and entirely estranged. I'm not saying that real people can't have that kind of nuance, but they just don't write the Orokin that way. Now The Infested are absolutely written that way. Infested see warframe as family and are confused when they don't assimilate. The Entrati have also been infested, which has a hive mind and will of its own. So in a weird, virology point of view, The Entrati are like Warframe cousins through the infested. So there are reasons other than some orokin being okay for why they can become good.
"Just because anything that is possible happens, that does not mean anything's possible"
I like to believe that Ballas is such a tool that it transcends reality and consequently all Ballas' are assholes.
@@SocraTetris the Entrati aren't as bad, but after playing through Veilbreaker and hearing how Daughter treats Kahl it's obvious that she still has a long way to go.
Fun fact: Amar's skull isn't a wolf skull at all, it's the skull of an ancient species of dolphin (you can even see the forehead bump used for echolocation). I suppose one could argue dolphins are the wolves of the sea since sharks do not hunt in packs, but dolphins do.
Dolphins are the Wolves of the Sea is my new catchphrase! lol. But that is a fun fact. I never realized that dolphin skulls could be so horrific! Definitely a better choice than a wolf or a jackal skull
"hey did you watch the whole 12 hour long Story explanation of Warframe?"
"ye i´ve watched the whole thing"
"what did you learn about the story?"
"dude you have to be a master student of eygiptian, buddhism and Plato`s philosophy to even get close to understand this story"
"so you cant sum this up for me?"
"dude stalker is our cousin!"
I kinda complicated that conversation, huh? Lol
Wait but Stalker is basically Hunhows adoptive son, so that makes Stalker your Uncle!
@@SocraTetris you also inadvertently depicted warframe as a thorough example of historical materialism through a storyline lol, which technically is also a critique of plato's republic, among other things
@@Null82085 I always thought stalker more as hunhow's pet coyote / wild dog. Given that hunhow never leaves around Uranus he is the only real company he has. besides the little drones he makes and the grineer he kills regularly.
The Kahl mission segment was more fun than I expected. I love my frames but playing as one of these foot soldiers from a traditionally hostile faction is really interesting and something I had wished to do ever since my first invasion mission. Also I knew Vay Hek was mega aggresive but I didnt know he communicated like that with his soldiers too lol
I wonder if he's ever even angry. What if that's just how he talks?
it was a really nice breath of fresh air for the gamepla at the start. But I think by the end of the quest it got a little tedious. Could've done with a bit less walking and pistol/bow spamming gameplay and more actual warframing as this is what i signed up for but eventually got it done.
No one ever mentions the fact Veso truly went out on his own terms. His own principles and beliefs. Instead of listening to Alad V, who is willing to change his alignments to whoever is the greater power just for survival. The different views and cultural stand points are very interesting, it's just the fact that the grineer seek to stick together and depend on one another, even declaring their sacrifice for their brothers and sisters even. While the corpus are greedy, typically seeing a loss as potential profit. Yet when it comes down to it are willing to sacrifice for said profit.
It's alot to think about, there's much to read and understand. But let's remember.. DE are doing all this as a free to play game, with deeper meaning behind their story. Thankfully with content creators who make understanding all of it easier. Love the videos, thank you for making them.
You're welcome LordDeath. Thank you for the kind words, and i'm glad you've enjoyed it
I just love Stalkers, "Wait what?" look when we suggest Hunhow helps us.
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Kahl 175, the Giga Chad of Warframe universe
You may not have caught yourself but Archon Boreal is a Loki with an Owl head, maybe to further entail the Deception he causes
Thank you for the update!
And the snake has mag primes’ body!
Rell was right that man really was in a wall
and a man on a wall
@@SocraTetris true
With the void trickery wally has I like to think that him coming out like that stone thing was a sort of "joke"
Especially with him sitting on top laughing histerically. Could be wrong, but I find it funny.
Since Void manifests itself through People's emotions, thoughts and perception. I'm pretty sure that because we heard about it from Rell's shizo rants as "man in the wall" and from Entrati we know of a cut off finger - i'm pretty sure we ourselves made that image in the Void to appear to us. A fucking man stuffed in a wall with his finger cut the hell off. And i find that idea so fucking funny
The void sure does love it's conceptual embodiments.
We're all itching for some fresh shooty-stab gameplay, but TNW was truly brilliant imo. Advanced the world, tied up loose ends, and put some interesting pieces in play. Looking forward to this iceberg!!
I think you will enjoy it!
They literally tied up none of them? Are we even playing the same game?
21:29 i've always loved this moment from the new war. Veso just flips the table from out from under their superior and takes control. Absolute chad
viva la revolution
The last point you made is exactly why I picked the Lotus. Not so much because that is how we first met her, but because that is the choice she had made for herself. Even against her "programming" if you can call it that. (Also, thanks for all the longform videos you made. Am going through all of them while cracking relics)
You're welcome! I got my fingers crossed that RNGesus is kind to you 🙏🏾
"Dream not of what you are, but of what you want to be"
I picked margulis and I feel like I've ruined my warframe save permanently 🥺😭
I picked Lotus as well because we as the Operator wanted nothing more than to set her free. Free from the expectations of Hunhow and Erra, free from the expectations of Ballas. Free from being defined by them and their actions!
No other choice is in character to the Operator than picking the Lotus. Picking the Lotus makes her both Natah and Margulis and in being both, she becomes neither. Natah is not compassionate and Margulis is not ruthless, but the Lotus is.
@@codynovick5701pretty sure u can change it
I'd quibble with the alignment presentation at the end for the Lotus. I believe the intent was for yang to be strength, hence then Sentient general and queen, Natah. Yin, compassion, the loving and understanding Margulis. Yin yang, the balance, strength and compassion, the Lotus.
Associating Ballas with yin decisions and even colloquially referring to it as darkness, presents a negative view that makes the choice sound evil. Yin isn't evil and attaching the baggage of a literal wife beater to a decision does not paint it in a positive light.
While we the player make the choice for gameplay reasons, this story moment is one of autonomy for the Lotus. Canonically she is deciding what she wants for herself and her future. That Ballas happened to want one of the choices is irrelevant and it certainly wouldn't have factored into the decision of the Lotus.
I don't think we should look at the narrative of Ballas as somehow being now removed from the equation and outside of the Lotus's decision making. Ballas happened and effected her. Ballas wanted her to be Margulis. Just as both Hunhow and Erra wanted her to be Natah. I'm not associating Yin as evil in that final segment. Yang is the masculine, and associated with Ballas, thus Margulis is Yin. Ballas is an abuser, but that doesn't necessitate that all Yang is abusive. The story has plenty of moments in which Yang is a perfectly reasonable choice.
Any choice at these moments either shows choosing a balance or an imbalance. So if we choose Yin, something else has to be Yang. Just as if we chose Yang (Natah) something else would have to be Yin. I stand by my interpretation that The Lotus is the only identity that she chose for herself. So I find it appropriate to associate that with both the concept of balance and being the truest version of her own agency.
One thing about the alignment is it isn’t good vs evil but ideals the wiki describes them as such
Sun alignment is gained by choosing actions which make the player passionate and hasty.
Neutral alignment is gained by choosing actions representing a balanced state of mind between inaction and action
Moon alignment is gained by choosing actions that makes the player pragmatic and idealistic.
The choice is based on the faces she wore , natah hasty acted and threw everything at her goals. margulis we see act in pragmatic and idealistic hoping to save the teno. lotus a balance between the two and we see dip in both sides
As a person that really likes philosophy, this video is SO GOOD, the problem with the new war for me is more lore oriented tbh, the system didn't change that much post quest, Umbra was a massive plot point before the new war and was just ignored in the actual quest, ballas, who was already the main villain, keeps being the main bad guy instead of the lotus' brother and the duviri paradox stuff could've been done in a better way instead of just fucking it up w different timelines travel
I also was pretty disappointed that Umbra wasn't really significant. They aimed high, they accomplished a lot, but a lot of things also kind felt like side notes. Overall, I think it was still good, and there's still time for more Duviri Paradox stuff to come.
So sad to see Veso gone. Really wish to see him join Kahl's garrison or have his own Veilbreaker arc, maybe he becomes a SU agent with Biz as the guide?
When it came time to choose which voice would be the dominant personality for Lotus I had a lot of trouble of deciding between Margulis and Lotus. I eventually chose Margulis because to me it represented a version of lotus that no longer felt she had to feel like she had to stand at arms length from us but could stand next to the tenno and the family she sacrificed so much for.
Thats a nice thought too :)
after the huge decision of who to save the lotus with the added orchestra, that space roomba had perfect timing
Space roomba never respects my recordings! lol
See, when i did the quest, i did the drifter for the one who finishes it. Honestly, i love how how when they first use the Warframe, they seem to be entirely unused to it
I still havent gone back to the Drifter side of the story. I can respect wanting to shake things up a bit, see what's new.
@@SocraTetris aye. That, and I love how the drifter seems to talk and respond to things
This was brilliant. When playing through it, while I had a notion of the narrative, a lot of it was going over my head at the time. This amazing and thorough examination have given me a whole new appreciation for the story of it. However, now I really do regret my choice of naming her Natah at the end. I agree wholeheartedly with Lotus being the most appropriate name for her. After all, it was the only one she ever chose for herself.
Glad you enjoyed it! I'm sure there will be plenty chances to see the differences with each of the characters
Lotus was never real and Margolis is already dead meaning the only RIGHT choice is Natah the only personality that was REAL , Natah deserves their freedom from the memories of Margolis and the lie that was the lotus
I know everyone adores Kahl (how could you not?) but I have to give so much respect to Veso. My man has never seen battle before, is just an engineer, and is following the orders of Alad V. He then proceeds to take on sentients, controlled Corpus bots including a Jackal, and then refuses Alad's command and sacrifices himself to fight the Sentients. He went from nerd to Isaac Clarke and I love him for that
Veso was an epic badass! Zero training and still went out like a warrior. While flipping off his manager!
I'm glad you picked the operator too! Even though both the operator and the drifter are one they still have separate experiences and understandings. It would feel wrong to have another you finish the story with the Lotis while you sit in limbo. I hope we continue both the operator's and the drifter's stories together and don't abandon the operator. also I'm just connected to my operator as " me" after being with them for years and years.
I think with Duviri, we are are going to focus more on the Drifter's POV as a starting point for new players, but that story will eventually catch up to the New War.
As drifter it's funny to see her get used to warframes.
First I picked operator but on reply, I tried drifter. Both are really good options.
I recently discovered this video and channel, and I'm extremely happy to have done so. As a Warframe veteran, and an Egyptian, this video fills me with much joy seeing the effort you put into researching my history, culture and heritage to better educate other Tenno on the story. This video is amazing, thank you for this
Thank you, Ahmed! I always try my best, especially when representing cultures that arent my own. I'm glad it resonated with you!
I have no questions about warframe lore anymore. Thanks to you I can Almost clearly predict what will happen in the next few updates. I appreciate the time, effort and transparency of the entire video. Your understanding has cleared up the cloud of confusion that I and many people have struggled with. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and ideas. Your Hardwork will not go unnoticed. I'm looking forward to seeing what else you can do for your audience. I will admit that I had to Google most of what you explained. For that, I respect your extensive knowledge and understanding. I have much to learn. Since You've taught me so much, I subscribed. Thanks for clearing the lampshade. I can't wait to see your next video. Thank you.
I am glad you got so much out of it! And don't worry, I had to do a ton of research to put this together. Only a few bits of outside knowledge to guide that research. For example, I learned of "the dispute between man and his ba" from the History of Africana Philosophy Podcast a few years ago. I highly recommend their series on Philosophy. 👍🏾
the last choice was hard since it is permanent (unless they decide we can change that later) , i thought a lot about who should i choose , i know lotus from her interaction and story , i also know natah , but i know nothing about margulis , but taking into how the story happened , with margulis dying, and balas forcing a sentient to merge with her corpse so he can still have her , so for me the role of natah and lotus is complete , if i can choose someone to have a new chance in life, it was margulis , call it selfishness , for me , it was the correct choice in this parallel world.
I'm not judging your choice at all. Of course my video just highlights my own thought process. But I would like to ask a question about your thought process. Is the reason you see Margulis as having more freedom of choice based on we, the player/tenno, knowing the least about them? If so, that would present an argument that other people's agency is based on our knowledge of them. Inversely, that would mean us knowing someone removes their agency. I wouldn't follow that reasoning, because our ego shouldn't be the deciding factor in another person's agency. Choosing Margulis doesn't resurrect Ballas's Margulis. That was his mistake.
Though, of course, I could be misunderstanding what you meant here.
@@SocraTetris as i said, with what the game has presented (and a lot i forgot in the quests) , lotus and natah had one deep desire , and both managed to complete it , while margulis did not achieved it , also has the thing that natah was war focused, lotus was okay with warring if was required, but margulis was for peace , but most of my arguments can be countered, maybe i was just over influence of Ordis when he said that trying to keep them "alive" was just plain torture , so margulis was the lesser evil i was doing , so i guess i would like someone different to overseer the missions, since it is a new era , maybe someone different could be better.
ofc i dont want to bring back ballas margulis , no one is the same after death .
This was the chance for DE to make what some youtubers made as a joke but could work, having more options for mission overseers , it could spice things up, havin TilRegor as overseer, or maybe other cephalos like Cy or suda , silmaris , etc .
So it isnt a good answer, but that is all i can say , i wanted lotus and natah to finally have some rest , so margulis had to step in .
I came to the same conclusion, i choose margulis as well.
I'll see you then! (Also, be sure to catch on lots of Warframe lore videos! Mine is not the final say or only perspective!)
I greatly appreciate the historical, philosophical and religious lessons imparted in this breakdown. I was oblivious to it all when I first went thru The New War and no WF lore creator, to my knowledge, had pieced it together this way. Fantastic work. 👍
Glad you enjoyed it, GhostRydr. From your user handle, I think you would also like my video on The Abyss of Dagath. I have plenty more where this one came from.
@@SocraTetris Thank you.
As an aside, I think I actually read a bit of the Argument Between a Man and his Ba before. Neil Gaiman mentioned a bit of the Death is Before me bit during issue 8 of his Sandman series, the first appearance of the titular character's sister, Death.
The only Neil Gaiman comic i've read was "Death The High Cost of Living." I always meant to go back to the other ones, cuz it was a great, self contained story.
@@SocraTetris Trust me, Sandman is worth reading in its entirety.
The jump had a problem, it hit a wall .
maybe that person on top of the man in the wall was the tenno version stabbed by ballas and entered the void , we lost our connection to it, so the man on the wall took it as his "warframe" .
with this new war, the trailer for the paradox of duviri ,made a lot more sense .
Truely the developers knew what they were doing when they created this space epic. Im in tears after revisiting this, and somehow WF has burrowed it's way into my heart. Both Lotus' and our character's development were amazing, and I cant wait to sit down and revisit this on my character.
I'm glad you enjoyed it, Nicole! more to come! We get to start a whole new arc with the Drifter now
@@SocraTetris oh dude I am so excited for that! Have an amazing weekend!
I totally missed the 'Tau is a state of being' double. I just assumed it was the physical conquest of the star system Tau. Neat!
It is cool, right? I think Warframe will eventually go there, but I don't think that DE will treat it like just another place you can be. It's gonna be some trippy, sci-fi locale like what we are about to get with the void in the duviri paradox
this is quite informative to understand warframe in such a professional manner, it is very well done.
Thank you Fernos! i put a lot into these videos
Thanks!
No, Thank you!
By the way, the most recent update allows you to replay the New War quest.
GODS BE PRAISED! THANK YOU!
The content that you create is just amazing man!
I appreciate that! Doing my best over here
Recently finished the 9h iceberg and moved straight to this one, great work and I hope even more people find your these videos in the future. At the end of the quest I went with the choice of Natah despite usually choosing balance, because I felt like that was who she really is, Margulis and Lotus being impersonations, but your arguments here really made me see this in a new light, I never was able to think of it that deeply. Now I kinda wish I could still change it (yes, the skin can be changed but based on the prompt upon selection during the quest I think her "identity" remains)
I'm glad you have enjoyed them! And i wouldn't worry too much about which character choice you made. Knowing DE, it may adjust some dialogues in the future, or she may show up like that in a cutscene or two. Much like the YinYang choices, I don't think it is going to create a limit or consequence in the future. I think it is more there to cause the player to stop and consider what the options mean.
Wow, this video is amazing. I'm genuinely impressed it doesn't have more views and I'm happy this video popped up in my recommendation.
It makes me think of how deep the Warframe lore is
Also, I wantet to share my thought: when Erra said "Don't be afraid" it really made me think of true biblical angels (not the people with wings but rather a thing of wings and eyes) According to my knowledge angels would appear in front of people saying " Fear me not" and it made me see Erra as if he was a fighting angel, gathering more followers to his "religion"
Oh, that's good. Erra's language in future sections of the game also follow very biblical-themed language. Most recently matching the poetic imagery of Revelations.
The story of the man and his soul really touched me...
Funny to think that such an old text says things we hear every age: the state of the world around us, the misery and injustices, the greed and egoism of people.
This is awesome.
This is the major thing I take away from that story. Here is someone at some of the earliest civilization lamenting how terrible life/society is, but it is for the exact same reasons we become lonely and depressed today. Yet I would ask anyone if modern society is worse than when he lived. I dont think anyone would honestly answer yes. The human experience is always the same, but we do oush our society to always improve
Hey new here! I love your channel and I adore Warframe lore! Your unique perspective really highlights how much thought the writers at DE put into the story!
Glad youre enjoying my videos!
This quest blew me away when it released, incredible writing and very involved gameplay with all the different things you do.
From fighting as kahl 175 to using the nataruk for the first time to fighting ballas himself..,
Just amazing!
Great video
Love from Sweden
Thank yoU, OCS! I feel the love from Sweden 💜
I watched the 9 hour video at first and I loved what you had, but I couldn't stand the empty gameplay moments.
Now that you edited that out you are now one of my favorite channels
Even that 9 hour video had tons of hours edited out (about 12 hours cut). The hour rerelease even moreso. and every warframe video i've made since is sticking to this style. But that 9 hour one is still thevmost successful of all of them. audiences prefer it
@@SocraTetris I just find myself skipping through it a lot rather than being mesmerized or in thought. I'm just skipping forward until I hear you talk again, basically.
You may prefer to read my wordpress blog, but it is not as up to date as the playlist on my channel. I originally made these in commentary style because no one speak to knows anything about warframe. I see it as a way to both preserve the story of this live-service game, as well as why it is meaningful to people. I got lucky that people who know the story also found value in re-experiencing it. I'm happy with you watching it anyway that it best. But I will be sticking to the commentary style. It seems to resonate with most people who watch it.
Man, I remember playing the campaign with a Mag as my choice for frame, imagine my reaction when seeing the first Archon the game throws at us.
Also, I wish we could've keep the Drifter's arsenal of moves and equipment possibilities, imagine being able to hold your Warframe's primary as your operator if needed, plus four abilities unique to the Tenno.
Would have loved that level of customization. (I honestly don't use operator or drifter mode unless required.)
I willingly went and replayed this quest and The Sacrifice after Jade Shadows.
I knew Ballas was a madman for what he did to "those three," but making some connections makes what he did a helluva lot worse.
Oh yeah. Ballas is every kind of evil. Doesnt know the difference between love and ownership
I finally finished this Questline a few days ago and I was, (as with all Warframe Quests), totally blown away. WF seems to be able to go from strength to strength and the variety in gameplay is just way too good.
Absolutely. I love hpw much variety they have employed recently
I finished this quest today and I didn't think I could love this game even more than I did, then it hit me with metaphysical concepts, quantum physics and ancient philosophical thoughts, all subjects that I loved since my teenage years. Thank you for making this beautiful video friend, it put many of my thoughts into words and much more, I learned a lot from this 💙
Thank you for watching it, Mister Anomaly! I'm glad my video spoke to your experience with the game :)
Wally's hand wasn't wrapped in void energy
It was holding the Lotus's severed hand
sounds good to me
Also boreal was a Loki prime not a volt
😩🤚: a 1,5h movie I wanted to watch for the past 4 years
😎👉: a 2,5h video I just found on UA-cam
It do be like that. I feel ya
A cool thing I kinda thought of while watching this is that, since Era is powerful enough its possible he can come back, possibly when he "died" he becomes an eidolon and his father still showing love for him rescues him and restores him.
Since Erra is a Sentient, I think it's actively likely that his Eidolon is out there somewhere. He's probably not doing too good though. "Even for us, Death leaves a mark" and all that
Yeaa seeing how the Lotus was messed up by death will be interesting to see how DE handles eras story if he still lives :p
Also he had a new body cooking. It's not a stretch to probably see him in the future
Erra us pazuul he's cooked
Wild theory: Drifter uses a lot of contemporary quips like "stay cool" (which ordis doesnt understand) and "youre not at youre fighting weight, lady" (which makes no sense in WF universe). At first i thought it was just cheesey writing, but maybe Drifter's timeline is wayyyy before Operator's, similar to our "modern day"? Drifter also has intimate knowledge of Operator's abilities/adventures and explains to Ordis that "they havent gotten their powers yet". Itd be a ridiculous twist, but what if Drifter got dropped off in a timeline/reality where Warframes only existed in the minds of DE? Then recognized themselves in the game and.. idk. Crazy idea. Eternalism is kooky
If such were possible, then it's actual, according to Eternalism. However, I think we are meant to see that the Drifter and the Operator diverged at the Void jump incident. So the attitude I think is just a part of the Drifter being read as older. Like a kinda cringe coping mechanism.
Their knowledge of the operator may be from being in the Void and having greater access to possible realities, or they were filled in by Ordis during The New War before we regained connection to the Operator
well its cuz the drifter has lived their life in the void..which is plane which consists of both the past and future..of all possibilities and it all exists simultaneously.
Hey man, I'm sorry patreon is somewhat out of my reach right now. But I'm 100% subscribing to anyone that puts this much work into their videos. Hope more people notice your channel you deserve a lot more subs
Thank you, Mathias! and no worries at all. I'm happy to just have another person like my work.
This is amazing work! I think this is the most entertained I’ve ever been while watching a video on philosophy. Be proud of your work dude and keep it up!
I absolutely will, momisthatyou! And there's still more where that came from! I hope you enjoy yhe rest of my channel :)
actually insane video! first watched your sister video and now i am gonna let this one sink in. amazing and subbed
Thank you, Rausche! I appreciate it :)
i was mind blown while playing this, amazing writing from DE
33:00 There's also the sound of the Lotus struggling. It's not a nice sound. A very specific sound.
39:30 Ah yes, Narm. The TvTropes shorthand for horrible overacting. It fits Ballas, the man named after the GTA San Andreas gang.
1:03:40 Not Volt. Loki. Boreal's body is a Loki
i have received the Loki correction. thank you
For the choice, I had to go with Natah. It is who she is. I can see the "Arah wanted her to be Natah, Ballas wanted her to be Margulis". I didn't want to replace that with "Tenno want her to be Lotus". Great video, except you spoke over the man in the wall's entrance :p
TMITW needs to be spoken for. (aka, the scene so short that if i waited for it to finish then i would have had to replay it maybe more than once to read the script and still have space for the Lotus section. I felt that would have undercut the moment even more.)
These are the challenges are the challenges that come with trying to fit my script into the runtime of the quest while also removing gameplay sections which people complained were excessive in the original video. It's a constant balancing act.
@@SocraTetris Sorry, it's hard to communicate "jokes" in text. It really isn't a problem, that entrance is just one of personal favourite bits ever. It's so...well, just obscure. I assume anyone who watches this will have seen it anyway, you do what you've gotta do sir. It's not like I've made any amazingly in-depth analysis videos.
The Tenno accepted her in whatever form she was, even an Eidolon. And at the end they guide her to choose whatever she wants to.
I cannot see where the Tenno wanted her to be Lotus. She became Radiant Lotus by her own will after sucking Ballas' energy.
As stated in the video, Radiant Lotus was the only form no one had chosen for her.
Playing the game, at the part where we got to the stairs at 1:41:00 , I noticed that one side of the stairs was lit while the other was dark almost seeming if that in itself was also a choice, though they led to the same place. Maybe it was foreshadowing the choice that would soon be made?
Warframe level designers absolutely love having those kind of asymmetrical damage to a symmetrical room
1:03:41 really interesting about the Archons, but that’s the body of Loki Prime with the owl head affixed to it..
That correction had been received
1:03:46 Boreal's Warframe bit isn't Volt, but Loki.
so i wasn't the only one to notice
@@canardenplastik4395 I could understand the mistake since Boreal attacks with electricity damage.
Thanks for the correction! I actually wasn't to sure and writing right on the heels of the release while avoiding spoilers. I actually thought it was volt cuz of the weird leg protrusions on the knees. But I'm sure the lightning influenced me too!
I just finished the video! Great analysis of the New War quest! I am interested to see how the Narmer faction will affect the Warframe lore after Ballas. It is really interesting to see the faction still alive and kicking after the Grineer and Corpus came back.
If nothing else, it adds variety to the game. Even if the story of Warframe regards them as wholly defeated.
2:34:25 Spoiler for those who haven't gotten this far!
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks there is only one real option. She is not Marghulis, as the Orokin tried to force her to be. She is not Natah, as the Sentients tried to force her to continue being. She's somewhere in the middle, the identity she made for herself. The Lotus is the only correct choice.
i also still think this, thematically speaking. i can soemwhat understand why people chose differently. mainly just looking for visual variety
Thank you for providing this kind of insight. Your perspective on these things is very unique to me and it's quite nice to hear.
It's a shame all I have is complaining in comparison because despite how amazing New War was, I just wish New War had been longer. Despite the time it takes to actually complete it, it somehow still felt as though it was moving too fast, trying to grapple with too much all at once to wrap up in one go the way it did.
My major, never ending gripe with the game is that it is so worried about making meaningful changes to the state of the world (an possibly upsetting people with it) that it feels as if it cripples its own story in it's efforts to rush back to an overall status quo. Yeah, sure, there's the Zariman, there's some hulks dotting the starchart, but what does any of that matter when it hardly feels as though any real change was made to the world? When faction leaders go on about their merry way as if nothing just happened? Going immediately back to Corpus oppression and Grineer brutality like it's just another good 'ol Tuesday in the Origin System.
A smattering of one-off acknowledgements (and someone being replaced with a hologram) doesn't really do much for me.
That's one of the struggles of the Games as Service model. Warframe has been careful to try to only build on top of what they have already done with the story. Take something like Destiny where previous story content is lost forever because they wrote over it with the next thing. DE never saw much success trying to create the narrative shooters that were central to the gaming industry when they got started. Just look at how their old Star Trek game went, or how the concept of Warframe was twisted into darkSector by producers to be a Russian Spy-Shooter more reminiscent of Call of Duty and Metal Gear Solid.
I would love a return to standalone game development from DE now that they have a successful following. However, I'm also very happy with how DE is expanding into new stories and structures. It feels like we are moving beyond playing as the tenno or as a warframe, because that story reached its zenith with The New War. Now we are playing-in-the-world of Warframe, inhabiting different characters and seeing different stories, while those new settings are then used as setpieces for new gameplay modes for the end game.
@@SocraTetris Absolutely. I'd hate to see older story get vaulted away and I'd love to see something like Tubemen of Rigor come back in the form of another pre-Second Dream story arc as a proper way to explain Alad V losing his infestation strain rather than leaving newer people who weren't there 6+ years ago questioning. In general, with their evolving and better grasp of how to build a narrative, I think it would be fantastic to add some polish to older content and possibly give better direction to newer players rather than simply cut it off and replace it with something else.
But I definitely hope that, despite any complaints I have about pacing or plot problems, the fact that TNW and Angels of the Zariman are such large narrative improvements only means good things for the future endgame of Warframe.
Oh, and thanks for pointing that out! I'd completely forgotten that Warframe was the original idea and darkSector is what it was made to become.
my first time watching and I really appreciate the depth you go into
Glad you are enjoying it!
Still can't believe we really had beef with a guy whos name is really close to balls
The biggest beef
well done. the first half felt a bit slow but i suppose it reflected the quests initial pace. the second half was incredible
Thank you, Synque!
It's sad that Veso died in the New War... I still hope he's still somehow alive somewhere out there.
I think so too. Though, by the principles of Eternalism, the better question is not "somewhere out there" but "Which out there is he?"
@@SocraTetris from my understanding of Eternalism i think its more which he is out there
Part 2: Africana Philosophy - Ancient Egyptian Symbolism intro reminds me so much of Mao and Xi Jing Ping holy shit.
history repeats itself often
"I don't have it yet" considering the Drifter is the version AFTER operator got his void power and escaped, the version in wich the operator is stuck in the zariman and create Duviri (void + consciousness = creation of something) then get stuck in a loop inside duviri. That sentence must imply that the Drifter will eventually get these void powers in the future ? In another event implying the man in the wall ?
From Duviri, we know that thr Drifter has access to very limited Sentient powers, but they are weak in the void. The void doesnt necessarily need someone to have powers like the Tenno to keep doing its own thing. (Such as Conceptual Embodiment)
Kahl's segment forced me to reevaluate my respect for the grineer, vay hek is a hype beast and the tube men are brilliant savages. They give zero shits and get things done.
i think vay hek is a hype man that gets nothing done really, lol. lets not call yhe tubemen savages
this by far the best explanation, hats down. this give the story a new meaning, thank you.
You're very welcome! glad you enjoyed it, reaperbot :)
don't know if anyone said this yet but i have to get it out. By my understanding, "observation" in quantum mechanics has nothing to do with a human observer. we think of observing as a pasive act, for example, observing the screen in front of you, or environment around it. however, light is bouncing off of these things and into your eyes. in quantum mechanics, you are observing the smallest things; there is nothing smaller moving around to passively observe, instead you have to throw similar objects and record the interaction. it would be like observing a car in a dark room by throwing more cars at it and recording the debris flying around. by observing, you need to interact, and unpredictably change the scenario.
anyways good video!
so "observation" is the point in the mathematics where you take a measurement. what that measurement means in physical reality is the open question
What in the world...
"I have a lore video here"
By the way
"I had to learn Ancient Eygptian language"
Bro is dedicated and I respect that.
Lol, well these things happen. I only learned the specific words I needed, and again relied quite heavily on 4 existing translations. But that aspect of this video was by far one of my favorite things I've ever made
@SocraTetris Still leaning a complex language like its nothing is a feat. Much respect for that mental capacity.
Here's something i noticed when ballas stabs the tenno he stabs the Tenno in the exact same spot the phantom blade stabbed The drifter at the beginning of the duviri paradox
I allude to this in my video on the duviri paradox. It establishes that these moments are "simultaneous" insofar as time is part of the conversation. For the players that start woth Duviri and work their way to The New War, it will be a big payoff
Beautiful, as always.
Thank you kindly!
Brought Excalibur Umbra sad that nothing special happened especially with the history between Him and Ballas In the 1st part of the mission.
I was also thinking about doing that. Had really hoped that would be a part of the story, given how significant The Sacrifice was as a turning point for the story. I'm also disappointed, but I also understanding not wanting to make a story that would exclude players that perhaps did not keep or level Excalibur Umbra over the years.
1:15:00 To be measured, a particle must _interact_ with something.
Observation isn't the only type of interaction that causes probability to determine, any kind of interaction does. It's not magic, indeed.
I got to thank you for putting this video together. The new war is a quest that means so dear to me and I've cried multiple times during the quest and during this video. After playing duviri I see it's connections and I makes me love it even more
Thank you for watching through them, Thorn!
A year later unlocking the new war and i picked the drifter while he was on the baloon he/she says "shouldve stayed in duviri" pretty neat and also makes sense that the drifter was stuck but not on the zaramin but stuck in duviri until the paradox then got sent to our timeline makes sense now
Oh that is a neat detail I never saw. So perhaps there isn't much more between the end of The Duviri Paradox and when the Drifter shows up during The New War. The one piece we are missing from this order of events is when did the Drifter lose their access to hand of The Lotus?
Warframe comes up with the best songs.
Been some bangers recently. Hope we get a new one for Angel's of the Zarimen
one thing never made sense to me, the veils seem to make you see things and people from your life in a way that benefits ballas. but the drifter has never met ballas,margulis or the lotus as she was before becoming an eidolon, why would the veil give the drifter visions of ballas and the lotus when hes never seen them, to him they're strangers. this will probably get explained in duviri but this plot hole makes no sense unless we got duviri before the new war for some kind of explanation. if anything the drifter should've seen things from duviri and the zariman
It's a paradox. The drifter is her own person, but simultaneously she is also the tenno. The frame can be shifted in physical space, or why not also the mind?
@SocraTetris true, but I feel like this needs to be further explained in the duviri paradox. At this point in time it's still kind of an open plot point to most
Given that they have said the Duviri Paradox is basically going to be the new onboarding, like an entirely new questline for new players, I wouldn't expect something like the endgame of the original main quest to be the focus or given any time really. There is a lot of stuff about the connection between the operator and the drifter that is left to being esoteric. Rather than seeking a scientific answer, it's best just to call it a spiritual connection.
@muran mana, I think this is quit close. But rather than assuming the Drifter was ignorant of those events, I think the most we can say is that they had some respectable distance because they didnt personally experience those events. We just don't know enough about the Drifter or their story in parallel to the Tenno. They do seem to have some affection for Natah. I expect Duviri Paradox or some future part of the Drifter's story will detail the Drifter meeting Natah when she fell into the void, and bringing her out into the events of The New War.
The fight's an allegory for when a kid helps their step mom fight her abusive boyfriend.
It is very literally that
Love your vids
I heard many "fights" between Warframe and Destiny 2 lore people- some say that Destiny is deeper than Warframe, others say the oposite, but I appriciate both for making people get to know phylosophy as they explore the lore and world inspirations.
Destiny is far less heavy on the real life phylosophy references (as far as I saw, played and discussed), but it makes you comprehend and make your own. Warframe tho gives you some hefty homework, but a homework that gets you to appriciate the messages.
Hopefully I have made that legwork a bit lighter. I wish I could get into Destiny's lore. But between the two games as service and timed events, I feel as though starting from 0 would be something I simply don't have time for.
@@SocraTetris
Yeah.
I got into D2 recently, Warframe became overahelming to me and Plains of Eidolon nuked my old computer (yeah, last time I played Plains were the newest thing) so most lore and stuff I know of Warframe is second hand.
Destiny's lore, if it comes to messages, is quite more stright forward- tales of nature and how people assign good and evil to it and how wrong it tends to be, how prejudices destroy people, how darkness and light are non-partisan and how people make gods of nature when they don't understand it
Hearing about your computer so reminds me of what got me out of the game originally. Thank god it came to consoles
@@SocraTetris
Well, yeah... consoles aren't exactly popular in my country (beauty of living in Eastern Europe) and I myself am not exactly that deep into MMOs- Warframe got me for so long due to gameplay and controls.
I could run it on my current rig, but I don't want to return to the ricefields and besides I have few other games to play (like Wasteland 3 and Dawn of War Unification)
16:19 sure but on the otherhand maybe breacher moas are just really excited to blow things up
they could be so much more. we must teach the moas to dream bigger
Kahl of Duty is coming back in Veilbreaker.
very excited for it
Kahl-175 and Vedo are the mvps of this storyline.
Also because of the Rule of Cool trope, our human Drifter can beat fucking Archons with just a bow and yet after that we need to nuke them with a full decked out Phenmor or Kuva Hek. They didn't really get stronger though, it's just they just got added that damage attenuation.
Hear me out, what is Natatuk is actually weaker in Tenni hands, because it is a Sentient made weapon and our void energy weakens it. But for the Drifter, no void powers means full-power destruction-bow
@@SocraTetris That actually makes sense. But what if, it's only weaker in the Warframe's hands? If the Operator wielded it even if they have void powers, they should make it slightly weaker. Honestly Operators are in a big need of overhaul and not just rely on their stupid amps all the time. Operators really need to start using a Primary as well and use amps as secondaries or something. Sure they made them tankier and better in the past year instead of a glorified oh shit button to escape with void sling or just to remove shields from Eidolons but they really need to start pulling their own weight. If anything the New War should have taught them that relying on their wonky void powers and amps can literally get them stabbed in the heart. They need actual weapons training as an Operator not just use it while they're in a frame.
sheesh it's Veso.
Most funny Natah death looks with Excalibur Umbra, be like: oh, now i will be like normal frame, that can't move and don't want to kill Ballas.
Based on the plato's cave analogy, reality could be interpreted as a projection.
Like a 3D image can projected on a 2D screen, our reality is projected as an expression from the void, the Albrecht membrane being the canvas that separates our reality from all possible other ones.
Mm, maybe. But I don't really see simulation theory being present in the story yet. Though personally, I'm just not that into simulation theories. Things like assuming tech progress is always linear/exponential, or that something as complex as the reality we live in could be simulated. Or using probability as a proof that a whole reality outside our reality exists, cuz empirical evidence from our reality wouldn't have any bearing on a hypothetical extra-reality. Y'know what I mean? Plato's allegory of the cave was a metaphor for knowledge/pursuit of learning. It's an epistemology thing, not an ontology thing, y'know?
The final choice DE gives us is a bit strange honestly - Natah allegedly chose to become the Lotus, which would really mean the two aren't distinct. If it was Natah's compassion and desire for family that spurred her to take on the Lotus guise in the first place, then Natah already had within her everything the Lotus stands for, and the "balance between compassion and strength" is within her either way. Disguising herself as a mysterious human was only useful whilst the history of the Sentients was being hidden; now it's kind of redundant.
The only way it would be otherwise is if some external factor we don't know about forced her into becoming the Lotus, in which case Natah is the only remotely decent choice.
(Maybe there's something to be said for the Lotus figure looking more trustworthy to outsiders than some crazy Sentient form, and thus being a better agent for stability in the system - but Natah's a mimic by blood; she can still take on the Lotus form if and when it actually matters.)
So it's not so much literally choosing one to the exclusion of the others. The voice lines of the operator allude to this. This person has been fractured both in time, and memory, and thus in self-identity. As a mimic, her entire self is bound up in pretending to various roles. As Natah, she fulfills the desires of the Sentient army. As Margulis, she fulfills the desires of the Orokin/Ballus. As The Lotus she stays more true to her personal desires even as she was fulfilling all of these roles.
But it is strange that we as the player get to make this choice at all. It's the one and only time we play as The Lotus.
Dude this is a sick-ass vid. Take my subscribe! 🤙🏽
I will take it. It is mine now. B)
Nice video, took me many days but I mange to watch all of it.
I appreciate your sticking with it, Pink Sheep!
Necro commenting but respect for letting "For Narmer" fully play
you can do that kind of thing when you know what academic commentary and fair use are. To DE's credit, they never issued a claim. :)
I took a small break from this game a few years ago cause work and moving out on my own.
Apparently I've missed a lot.
Update:Wow just wow, i truly am speechless. As someone who has struggled with some similar issues that do seem to be mirrored in this quest line I really am just stunned.
All I can reall say is this sort of inner conflict of the soul that gets represented out onto the world is very much something we all do maybe not on the same scale as Narmer but it can feel that way. Maybe we should take some games and their ideas more seriously as they seem to be one of the last places that will dare truly touch these sources of knowledge.
I haven't felt this torn up and thought provoked since my time playing kotor 2 or maybe even the last of us at times.
I know, right? =D
@@SocraTetris Glad to see they still care about this game. Been a long time fan and seeing a still free to play game still update and add new content it really makes me happy.
Sound design in these quests is always s-tier. Not such a fan of the songs with vocals but everything else is super immersive.
aw, too bad. i love when the vocal track drops. DE needs a but mote practice in the timing of it, but theyve been quite reserved with how they implement vocal music. The Diegetic For For Narmer was awesome, but not quite as well done with the Sisters of Parvos quest
@SocraTetris a ton of people appreciate those songs. I wanted to point to the smaller less noticeable aspects of sound Desi & music. It's so good I can't believe it's free to play
13:29 there's an issue, either the grineer in the lower ranks are not bieng tild about one of the queens bieng killed and are not aware of it,or they are basicly still beleiveing there are two.
It definitely feels to me that the rank n file of the grineer have not been told that one of the queens is dead
@@SocraTetris yep, high chance. Only the elite kuva troops have been told about it.
maybe not even them
Dude, really meed to work on leveling the volume levels between gameplay and your narration
Hey Mr. Pidgeon. Check the date. Look at the most recent videos. Change your tone, kinda rude ngl. Warframe is difficult to balance against, because its sfx are tuned much higher than its voices, and not on a consistent basis either. It is audible and plenty of people don't have an issue with it
SocraTetris I do apologize as that was not the intended tonality. It was just painful having to max my earbuds out to hear the gameplay and then jump to half volume for your commentary though I do really appreciate the amount of work that went into making this content.
No worries. And i'm sorry it wasnt a great experience. I test my audio on laptop, speakers, phone speakers, and over the ear headphones. Earbuds have quite limited dynamic range, even the high-end and noise canceling varieties. So they can be difficult to include in that balance
Yeah I went with Lotus too. But I think Natah is also valid. It’s her original identity. It’s what she reverted to, saying “This is the real me.” (Or was that just another lie?) Anyway Lotus was her sui generis identity so I went with that.
There are valid reasons for each choice. Like, for Margulis, one could say that she just wanted to be a mother. She never should have had to take the responsibility of a faction leader/revolutionary. So, as Margulis, she could can a chance at just that.
2:32:04 Your warframe gave very good effect here.
Thank you Sameer!
you are one of a kind, tenno
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