A Challenge to Cessationists
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- Опубліковано 23 сер 2024
- Dr. David K. Bernard issues a challenge to those who believe that miracles, signs, and wonders ceased with the apostles. Visit • Are Spiritual Gifts fo... to watch the full episode.
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What I come across the most when talking to ppl online is that ppl do not know how to rightfully divide the Word of God, which is imperative to understanding the truth, and when you wrongfully divide the Bible it leads to false doctrine, and one ends up not being born-again by receiving the Holy Ghost, which is essential to making it into the Kingdom. I'm so thankful Christ infilled me with the Holy Ghost, and I was given spiritual revelation of the truth because it's extremely difficult to overcome false doctrine once a person has saturated their heart and mind with false doctrine, and it takes the Holy Ghost to correct ones thinking and interpretation of the scriptures. I run into it all the time, and it's where the majority of ppl go wrong right out the gate, and ppl cannot see and understand what Holy Ghost-filled ppl see, and the truth is priceless and is the most important thing in life to possess. I have seen Catholics, Baptists and even Muslims overcome false doctrine and receive the Holy Ghost, but it's because their heart was repentant and in the right place with God and they sought out the truth with all their might, which Deuteronomy 6:4-9 actually commands of us. I took Bible studies before receiving the Holy Ghost, and I didn't understand anything, but I certainly understood the scriptures after receiving the Spirit of Christ, and it was like the words jumped off the pages and illuminated itself into my heart and mind and I would make sure to confirm my understanding of the Bible with my grandmother who had already received the Holy Ghost decades earlier, and she was seasoned in the scriptures and I was always right on the mark because Christ opened up my understanding that I might understand scripture like the Lord had to do with the Apostles in Luke 24:45. I wouldn't trade the Holy Ghost and truth for all the money in the world. Thank you Jesus!!
Acts 2:38🕊
Well said. What do you have to say about cessationism according to the scripture?
Challenge answered…
Paul also defined the kind of tongues with which he spoke…
1 Corinthians 14:15,18-19 KJV
What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also. [18] I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all: [19] Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.
Certainly if we saw missionaries be able to speak Chinese without having to learn it, speak Thai without having to go through language school, we would believe that the gift of tongues had survived. But with all due respect to my brothers and sisters in Pentecostal churches…that kind of tongues doesn’t happen. Or if it does it is a vanishingly small percentage of the tongues spoken today.
In fact, that kind of tongues has ceased. And the common kind that is here was unknown to the church. You cannot find one example from n the church fathers of the modern use of non understandable tongues.
it does happen in missionaries out in the places where the gospel has never been preached but its rare
Amen brother, that's true
How about 1 Corinthians 14:1-3
There was a kind of tongues classified as "unknown to men" which was unto GOD only and edified the one speaking.
If the Gifts still worked would you want them ? Also why would God all sudden just decide not to give out these gifts, especially in these last days !?
@@profqd4543if you hear a new language is it unknown to you?
Cessationism is unbiblical.
The gifts of the Spirit is still present today.
Prove it.
@@JH324Don't you read your Bible? Where in the Bible says that the gifts had ceased?
@@Carl-oq5bsWhere does it say they haven't ceased?
Lord soften their hearts 🙏
If you continue reading the following chapter, you will, surprise surprise, find that the best gift Paul was referring to was the gift of Love.
He succinctly expressed the futility of speaking in tongues and prophesying without love.
"God resist' the proud but give grace to the humble". If a person finds his/her way to the truth, it'll be because GOD drew them out of that darkness, and into His marvelous light. "No man cometh unto the Father but by me" Jesus said. I really enjoy hearing Dr. Bernard speak on these subjects, and you can tell he has a true burden for people who are bound by false doctrine. Truly an anointed man of God. He has more patience than me, that's for sure. Especially when it comes to people who want to stay in their crippled beliefs. Yet, I am convinced that they are not only embracing false doctrine, but there is a spiritual pride that is tied in, and God HATES pride. So not only are they NOT being drawn by JESUS, but they are being resisted with everything that is in heaven, and GOD, and his holy angels. You wonder why they fight so hard to convince themselves that oneness, speaking in tongues, and the truth of Acts 2:38 isn't from GOD, even though it's in the bible? In black and white? It's not them resisting GOD and the truth, but GOD is resisting them. If a person is found by Jesus through one of Dr. Bernards messages, they need to ever so thankful for this man of GOD, because honestly, I think God is getting ready to shut that door, and people in these churches that are preaching and teaching a lie will be left to their false religion. Left to believe a lie because they received not the love of the truth.
They are resisting God, but I don't believe God is resisting them. God doesn't force anyone. If they get serious about knowing who God is, instead of what He can do for them, He will reveal Himself to them, and open their eyes to the truth. That's what He did for me.
Amen! Absolutely true!
“If someone came into their church and began to speak in tongues would they allow them, no they would not”
And they would be Biblically correct in doing so, as Paul himself strictly forbids this in 1 Corinthians 13.. The whole chapter specifically addresses this, verse 27-28 more directly
This is wrong. 1 for 13 doesn't talk about Tounges.
Facts. Especially in light of the requirement to have an interpreter which no one seems to have lol.
if there is no interpreter, tongue talkers are to keep quiet
This chapter is referring to the gift of tongues and interpretation. Not tongues in general
@rahlie777 You read out of context. It is talking about the order of Church service. In worship time it is free for all to pray, and speak in tongues, it is suppose to be you and the Lord. In the service there is has to be order for what happens.
Great teaching ! For speaking in tongues not to be in operation today would mean two purposes for them would no longer be necessary;
1) The edification of the individual saint(1Cor .14:4)
2),The edification of the church gathering.( 1Cor.12:1,7)
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Singing songs and hymns and spiritual songs is the edification. And listening to the Word preached.
Right...they're not qualified.
When the Bible speaks of paul saying he speaks in tongues more than anyone, what he is saying is that he is constantly praying.
😂😂😂, mate that the most unbiblical, devilish thing I heard all day? Prayer? Like the word prayer was not in vocabularies in Paul's time? Your just confused, pray and love the truth
If you want to display the gift of prophecy then you need to apply the rules for prophesying falsely. Btw it is death! God CANNOT lie and if you make a prophecy that does not come to pass, either you need to admit that you spoke of yourself and not of God - OR you are saying God lied. When people start being truthful about this, people will stop being cessationists.
Amen!
crystal clear, doesn't get any better than this!! brother Bernard one of the best teachers in the apostolic church. Thank you Lord for apostolic preacher's
Having grown up in a church like that of Dr. Bernard’s, if the biblical text supported the continuation of the sign gifts, I’d support it too. Also, what I grew up seeing and still see today is NOT what is in the Bible. The gibberish you hear and see, are not languages. The continuationist position has much to prove.
I read cessationist and thought you were referring to the idea that sinners die in hell and they don’t live forever. I would like to know Dr Bernard’s thoughts on this.
The answer to that is that those passages where meant for a church that didn't have the Bible and hence no structure. Therefore the purpose of it is useless currently hence why those passages don't apply to us.
They had the Old Testament. It all applies. A Church without the Holy Ghost is no Church.
Mr. Bernard, when we consider tongues we have to first understand that these are known languages.
Second, according to Paul we are told to tell people to sit down and stop speaking if noan understands them.
As a cessationist I can attest to myself along with many other leading cessationists when I say that yes there are still tongues (languages and not gibberish), so it's not that God's not still moving today, but rather there is no need for apostolic sign gifts.
For the signs are for the Jews and they turned away and now we are to come to Jesus by faith.
With all do respect sir, tongues (not the gibberish kind), prophesying, casting out demons, and such are easy to fake.
Not to mention every continuationist and charismatic I know can all pretty well do all of these things.
A true testament to not only myself, but the rest of the world would be one of them that believe that the sign gifts are for today is to exercise the gift of healing on an entire children's hospital.
My issue is everyone can do these other gifts on command and with ease, but I do not see the gift of healing being done today.
I believe in praying for the sick and I do believe and know that God heals people in accordance to His will to this very day
However, it is evident to me that the sign gifts have ceased and we are to pray and have faith.
If it were for today then where is the ones with the gift of healing?
Everyone can easily and on command do the others.
Nobody is doing that with the one that cannot be faked.
Imagine what a witness that would be if someone cleared out a whole hospital.
Imagine how many people would marvel and come to Christ due to seeing such a miraculous thing occur.
Instead we're still here discussimg this issue that could be put to rest of someone could excersice that gift.
The ball is in the continuationist and charismatics court when it comes to proving us wrong.
I would like to be wrong.
The reality of this just proves that I'm not.
WOW. First of all You fail to read 1 For.13:1 Paul says he speaks with tongues of men and ANGELS. IT is very arrogant to call it gibberish. Continualist as you call it, which is really Biblical, don't have to prove anything. The death of your Churches proves you wrong. You have social clubs, not Churches. You miss read scripture, you add your own words to scripture. Also were you there in the first Century to know for a fact what in your opinion was authentic tongues sounded like? Proverbs 16:18 (KJV) 18 Pride goeth before destruction,
and an haughty spirit before a fall.
@@hargisP2that absolutely does not say that! Though means (In the case of or that)I speak in tongues of men or angels is an analogy to support the subject. Tongues of men are languages, tongues of Angels are not tongues of men he doesn’t say he can speak in an Angelic but says if he did and lacked charity it would be gibberish. He’s prioritizing our mode of operation. They are literally the tongues of angels however if he’s being interpreted as referring to his private prayer language then it would be gibberish if the individual lacked charity.Paul is not an Angelic being but apparently has spoken in many languages. Yes there are different tongues of man. Every language in fact is a different tongue. I do believe people possess a prayer language that is between you and God but that is not how tongues are expressed in the modern day church. You have whole congregations speaking in unknown speak all at the same time .Gift of Tongues or language spoken in Acts 2 were so those who were of a different language could understand Peter’s words. In Acts 10 it’s said that they were expressed the same ways as at Pentecost. The other thing that tongues were doing was acting as a sign to Peter who was a JEW to show him that Gentiles could receive Gods Spirit he wasn’t sure if they could. But Jews seek a sign and Greeks seek wisdom. 1 Corinthians 1:22. Also remember that Paul says if an unbeliever comes into the congregation and everyone speaks in tongues they will think they are insane. 1 Corinthians 14:23. So the gift is real but very misused and I’ve only seen them used in the context of Acts one time. Also there was never anyone trying to speak in tongues or be coached to speak in tongues like I’ve seen in some circles. It came to them unknowingly and without thought. So if you have a prayer language that isn’t like your language fine! No one should really hear it anyway because that’s yours personally. If tongue is spoke in service let it be at the most 3 and have an interpreter. 1 Corinthians 14:27. So Saying that tongus are evidence of the infilling of the Holy Spirit could happen but you would know because someone who doesn’t speak your language would hear his language being spoken. The languages understand at Pentecost were evidence of the gift the gift wasn’t the evidence of a language if you yourself can’t understand. There was no self edification at Pentecost it was done with an intention to instruct. If I speak something and can’t understand it how is it fruitful. But if I speak a language I can’t understand and it’s in the native tongue of my brother then it has served the purpose. It’s a tool to communicate by way of the power of God! It’s a lot more special than we realize!
Absolutely!
I do not hat Cessationists but I do hate the demon of Cessationism!
so sad. what a loss and they are forbidding it.
Jesus said to make people HIS diciples, not Luthers, Calvins or Augustins. It IS a question about obedience to Christ, the word, that is why cessationism is harmful to the whole christian walk.
These people must be careful if they attribute any of the Gifts done to the Devil ,be it tongues, healing, prophecy.I believe that is the blaspheming the H.S. and could well send them to hell and I believe some have done so .
Read on, in the context he is saying the that the Love, Hope, and faith is greater and to be sought after that tongues. Just continue reading what Paul says. In that same section, Paul says when the “complete comes”, the incomplete will pass away. The term Complete here refers to scripture. We have His complete revelation now. We do not need more from tongues.
Spencer, thank you for watching. Dr. Bernard addressed the verses you referenced in his full podcast episode. You can watch it at ua-cam.com/video/phgaWmMzs-o/v-deo.html. (Podcast Production Team)
Who said that it was the biblical scriptures that fulfills that which is perfect has come?!?
I want an answer
Yes, what scripture says that scripture is "that which is perfect."?
Spencer, Paul was writing this letter to the Corinthians, I imagine at this time he did not know his letter was going to be included in scripture, so it doesn't make much sense for "completeness" to be referring to completeness of Scripture.
Also later in verse 12 it refers to seeing "face-to-face" so the completeness is referring to Jesus 2nd coming and being in eternity where we will be see Jesus face
When Apostle Paul, spoke : the BIBLE, " finished canon" was not yet formed.
##### toughest were for the non- beliver
Let the ignorant be ignorant - cessationists don't want the gifts. God won't bother them with the gifts. He is not going force the truth on them
Yeah because he has give us something better.....Biblical truth.
@@JH324and Spiritual gifting and miracles are one of the biblical truths found in the word.
The cessationists are not guardians to restrict tongues speaking or apostolic miraculous signs today, it’s just simple ; what we are seeing today are not the tongues of scripture neither miraculous signs .
For their purpose was to confirm the gospel clearly to nations the same way Christ message was accompanied by mighty miracles.
The scripture is full and complete . Christians must rest in what the lord commanded“ if you abide in me and my words be in you ,you are truly my disciples!
But the first few verses of 1 Corinthians 14 talk about a kind of tongues speaking that was unto one's edification and not for confirming the gospel to the nations.
Paul did say it was better they prophesy because that would edify the church and not just oneself but we can't neglect that verse as well.
I personally want to find truth so I don't want to just hold on to what I've heard so far without spending time in HIS WORD on it.I haven't been able to see these verses in a different way. Maybe some light could be shed on it if there is a meaning to it I'm missing.
@karenzidicksonkd3695. Where does the Bible say it was only for that time. If that was needed for the Church and confirm the gospel then, how is it confirmed today without it? You say cessationist are not guardians to restrict tongues speaking or apostolic miraculous signs today, but then restrict. The very reason the Church is so weak today is because the Church is turning the Holy Ghost away. Jesus said behold I stand at the door and knock. He was talking to the Church.They wouldn't let Him in. That's what you are doing, you are closing the door on Jesus.
@@profqd4543Paul didn’t say that we were to speak in tongues for self edification but that tongues no one could understand would only be self edifying. Which is alright in the proper time and place. The purpose in Acts was always to promote the word of God. I do believe we possess a prayer language but Jesus told us how we should pray in Matthew. It’s for ourselves and nobody really ever needs to hear it if they can’t understand it. It’s better to speak 5 words in front of people that they can understand then 10 thousand in a tongue. That’s what he’s driving home. I believe everything in the Bible is for us but that it’s not to be misused as it is in present day. If unbelievers come in and hear everyone speaking in a tongue wouldn’t they think they were insane? I’ve spent countless hours trying to show unbelievers who have witnessed this that we are not. Also remember that nobody was trying to speak in tongues or being coached to do so like you often see today. They are a tool in whichever way they are used but need to be used the way we were instructed!
Cessationists are fearful of what they don't know and can't control
Wrong.
@@vr6tmd6040no, what he said is correct. The basis of cessationism is not biblical, it is fear. Nowhere in the Bible will you find it say that any of the gifts have ceased. Therefore, the beliefe that they have ceased is false. So why do cessationists believe they have ceased? We can say that there are evidences of them still existing today, so, why then claim they absolutely have ceased? Because of a lack of understanding. People dont want to "risk" because of fear. There really is no other reason to not practice or believe in any of the gifts of the Spirit, especially biblically. The theology is based off of opinion, not Bible.
@@snake5305hello! Friendly cessationist here! I am not fearful nor am I trying to be unbiblical. May I make the suggestion that those gifts were limited to select people in the Bible through certain points in history to show the legitimacy of God's power in them? For instance, Aaron and Moses, Elijah and Elisha, and Jesus and the Apostles?
I believe God does (select or certain) miracles today, the big ones being how He changes our hearts and gives us hearts of flesh in place of stone, holds us together by His might, etc, but I believe that direct revelation from Him and signs of healing maimed limbs with a touch, speaking in tongues, raising people from the dead, etc are signs that He gave to select people for the purpose of showing His authority being placed on them.
I believe this to be biblical. I do believe God heals supernaturally today, just not in the same ways He did most times. I am not trying to put any, ANY limits on our sovereign God, I am simply observing what I think happens and doesn't happen from the Bible. Anyhow, I hope you have a beautiful day. May God richly bless you.
@@snake5305 Have you read 1 Corinthians 13?
Tongues is not classified with the "Partial Gifts" (Knowledge and Prophecy). Only the "Partial Gifts" will be done away with when the perfect comes. TONGUES WILL CEASE!
8 Love never fails, but if [c]prophecy, they will be done away; if tongues, they will cease; if knowledge, it will be done away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when the [d]perfect comes, the partial will be done away.
This was written around 50 AD. We have nearly 2000 years of Church History without any tongue speaking in the Church.
TOUNGES CEASED!
Then the counterfeit Version showed up in the Late 1800's captivating those who seek for signs and wonders.
So nowhere in the Bible Huh?
@@christine1327where is it written that it was for a select people when God said "I will pour out my spirit on ALL FLESH and your sons and daughters shall prophesy".
Unless we are no longer flesh God can still pour out that Spirit.
Your doctrine is based on personal reasoning and not on scriptures
Tongues are just different languages........
You should read the Bible....1Cor 13:1a.(KJV) Though I speak with the tongues of men and of ANGELS
That's literally just one of the 3.
1. Miraculous translation
2. Private prayer with "angelic language"
3. Public prophecy with angelic language, accompanied by another person interpreting the prophecy
All three are called "tongues".
I encourage you all to get out your Bibles and read 1 Corinthians chapter 14 and see exactly what Paul teaches about speaking in tongues. And God forbid your Pastor is lying to you and tells you you do not have the Holy Ghost if you don't He's a liar and should be ashamed. I've been to a Pentecostal church that did just that. The Bible says
1 Corinthians 12:(7) But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. (8) For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; (9) To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; (10) To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: (11) But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
Does that say we all have the gift of tongues? No
Paul teaches in 1 Corinthians 14:(19) Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue. (20) Brethren, be not children in understanding; howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.
Malice? He said that. Let's see what that means? One destructive fruit of sinful human nature is malice - the desire to harm someone or the feeling of pleasure at someone's misfortune. Hmm kinda seems like what this church that pressed tongues down my throat did to me. I was confused until I read scripture for myself and stopped letting them just pull scripture from wherever and apply it to me. The Bible also teaches us in verse 33
1 Corinthians 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
Kinda ironic this scripture is in the same verse Paul teaches about tongues. Since parting ways with that church I've come across something called dispensationalism which was life-changing in my Bible reading. The Bible says in 2 Timothy
2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
The scriptures speak to different people in different time periods past, present, and future. And dividing it rightly is biblical. This is why there are so many false doctrines today because they pull whatever fits their narrative and deceive people into believing that it applies to them. As Gentiles in the modern church age we are saved by Grace by Faith in Jesus Christ alone. There is nothing we can do but believe He did what He did and have Faith in Jesus and what he did at Calvary and if you're being taught anything else it's heresy and your Pastor may be sending you the wrong direction God forbid. Our works come after our salvation but salvation not by works. It says in Philippians 2
Philippians 2: [12] Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. [13] For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
Salvation is in you through Grace and Faith and the Holy Ghost is within working in you. Work it out.
umm, because it's an Apostolic gift. look up what qualifies as an Apostle. all must qualifiers must be present. one being A's must have personally seen Jesus with their own eyes. which Paul did.
How many people have claimed to be apostles since Azusa?
Paul was writing to the Corinthians church where they were exercising the gift of tongues,he was giving them guidelines how to use it properly. Do you think each person in the churches he was writing to saw Jesus personally?
Yet even though they didn't see Jesus personally,Paul's letter shows these people were speaking in tongues because he is addressing them in the letter
It is not an "apostolic gift", these are your own terms.
It is for "they that believe shall speak with tongues" those are Jesus words.
They that believe means they that believe, as long as you are a believer. Do not twist and complicate simple scripture
@@toneranger7813 people have been claiming to be apostles and prophets since the heretical Montanists
Why do people say Paul's teachings? It's God's teachings, speaking through Paul. Just like the called the Law of God, The Law of moses. It's wasn't Moses' Law, he was merely a mouthpiece, an instrument through whom God spoke. Yet up until today we still say these people's teachings????
Sir you are taking this verse out of context of the whole scripture!!
Speaking in tongues back in Paul’s day was the ability to speak another language to edify. Not gibberish
Not to mention how many times was tongues mention throughout the whole Bible?
Did you ever hear it from the other Apostles or how about Jesus. No
You obviously skipped over this.....(KJV)1 Cor.13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of ANGELS. Jesus is the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit gives the gifts. Jesus speaking...Mark 16:14-18 (KJV) 14 Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen. 15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. 17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new 18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. Peter....Acts 10:44-48 (KJV) 44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. 45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. 46 For they heard them speak with and magnify God. Then answered Peter, 47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? 48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days. Just as the Gospels are unique in their own content so are the Epistles. You should read the WHOLE Bible.
do you operate in any gift?
Give each other a holy kiss
Wash each others feet.
Do you do this?
Do you? Probably not.
An easy answer is a dispensational one.
Not recognizing the power of the holy spirit.
Well first of all, who was Paul talking to at the time and why was he talking to ? they may want to finish reading the content of the scripture? That way you could exeigite the scripture properly
let me ask u a few questions
can a Christian get a demon and need it cast out?
can a Christian lose their salvation?
will a Christian obey God's commandments and live a changed life after conversion ?
Key words "sought after". No one should seek speaking in tongues, they should seek to be in the Spirit. Tongues is an evidence that some Churches have exploited for something else.
Then explain Acts 19:1-8.
Why was Paul so concerned about whether or not the disciples of Ephesus had received the Holy Ghost?
Now one should seek speaking in tongues but 1 Corinthians 14:1 says ‘…earnest desire spiritual gifts…’?
@@toonnaobi-okoye2949true, the problem is that most of these cessationists do not actually know the contents of the Bible, usually they attack the character of the believer and not defend their position through scriptures
The continuing of gifts is a 2ndry issue. The trinity is not.
Where does the Bible use the word trinity? Do you know that you shouldn't add your own words to Scripture?
@@hargisP2 Who was Jesus speaking to when he was on the cross When he said father forgive them?
@@hargisP2same chapter as oneness just a few verses down 😮
I know the continuationists like to give 1Cor 13, 'though I speak with the tongues of men and ANGELS' (they like to do angels in all caps like we somehow can't read it). But it always makes me think; if nonsensical, unintelligible vocalizations is talking to ANGELS, how do you know which ANGELS you are talking to? Since you don't know what you are saying, maybe you are talking to the FALLEN ANGELS. (you know, the demon ones?) I
Hard pass for me. I'll stick to knowing exactly what I'm saying and to whom.
do you operate in any gift?
The verses you used applied to the church during the time if the apostles -- who saw the risen Christ and did great signs.
So show me they are only for the Apostles. The Church of Corinth were not Apostles, yet Paul rebuked the misuse while at the same time encouraging the proper use toTHE CHURCH. End of story ……mic drop …..your wrong the BIBLE is right.
They believe that tongues disappeared a long time ago. They will quote 1 Cor. 13:8.
Has knowledge disappeared?
What scriptural basis does your belief come from?
Cause Paul spoke many languages.... how is this man educated? Such arrogance. "My challenge tp cessationists" .
I’m not a cessationist and I don’t consider myself a continuationist either, I honestly don’t believe what I see in the churches that claim to speak in tongues as using it Biblically. Most encourage everyone to speak in tongues and it’s usually gibberish and they never seem to have an interpreter.
So if someone came into our church just speaking gibberish claim it was tongues then I would say no to allowing them to continue the mess.
Tongues spoken about in scripture was a known language not gibberish.
You are speaking gibberish. When you are ignorant of a issue it is best to not comment. I have become convinced that Speaking in tongues is the evidence of being Born Again. Because I see nothing but arrogance and pride among those that don't speak in tongues, and ridicule of those who do. In the 1950's the Methodist use to speak in tongues, along with the Baptist. Then they quit because of the serpent questioned it.
Please speak in tongues / languages. Don't invent "tongues". We are not forbidding anyone to disobey God. We are not dumb.
But you are judgmental.
I cannot imagine calling yourself a Christian and not understanding that "tongues" is 3 different gifts, as Paul speaks.
1. Acts miraculous translation
2. Private prayer with unknown language
3. Unknown language prophecy *with interpretation
All 3 still exist.
He could speak many languages. Prophecying is preaching. Tongues as a sign to the Jews is over. Easy.
The only tongues that were not interpreted were prayer tongues which are only between the person and God -- because they cannot be interpreted. When tongues were used, one spoke at a time, no more than three, and if there was no interpreter, they were to remain quiet. Even if tongues were used today, they are not used according to Scripture.
yup, most all these gifts are being abused
all these people with prophecies get them wrong a lot of the time and almost none of the tongues are actual languages and/or interpreted
I can't say they've ceased, but I'm not believing every claim of the supernatural gifts that aren't exactly like in Acts
Both of you are wrong. You lump every church out there in one barrel. My Church it is in order. Worship time is different. That is when it is you and the Lord, but when the service starts it is called to order.
This person has the same vocabulary as a “Christian” but has the wrong definition of what the words mean. You don’t even believe the same Doctrine Paul preached. Oneness Pentecostal is not biblical 🤦🏻♂️