Actually a device like this did exist back in the 1970's, the sears department store chain sold a home soda dispenser made by cornelius but sold under the kenmore brand name that had a motorless carbonator lid with a float valve in it just like this lid setup. It was a fairly expensive machine so they probably didn't sell a lot of them but i remember seeing one in the store on display and in the catalogs, sometimes they turn up on ebay.
Didn't learn anything I didn't already know but I wanted to compliment you on your sharp presentation. So many details spot on mate; this is an excellent resource for anyone who doesn't know the first thing about carbonating water. Also, super reasonable prices for your kit...
@@thomasredden9068 Short of the obvious answer of drilling a hole, you may be able to tee off an internal water dispenser line depending on how it is routed. Many refrigerators have a coil of polyethelyene tubing to have at least a glass of water chilled. If you insert the tee, make sure that it is _before_ the solenoid that gets activated when you press on the water dispenser, or that opens when the ice maker needs water to make more ice.
@@Z__K217I mean honestly you don’t need much fancy if you don’t mind filling the kegs by hand but it will go empty when you use it all up. The whole thing with the float here is that it’s continuously self-replenishing. You can just buy yourself a corny keg, 2.5 or 5 gallon keg, fill with cold water, put under gas and wait for it to carbonate. When it spits and sputters swap out the keg and fill the empty one back up. You can use a Y splitter to keep both under pressure but just serve from one. If you want it to generate uninterrupted fizzy water you need a pump to force the water into the keg and like he said the pressure of that water supply has to exceed the CO2 pressure or the valve won’t be able to let the water in.
Looking at doing this for our bar - on a bust saturday night we can go through 20L in a few hours. We'll look to prechill the water, but could adding a carbonation stone to an extended dipstick on the CO2 inlet side help also? Ideally we'd only run a single 19L corny keg.
This is too funny, I've literally just finished learning Arduino to run a solenoid valve triggered by a float valve (basically your idea just more complicated and fiddly). So when I hopped on Kegland site to buy some more line and fittings to finished off my masterpiece, I see your product and I'm blown away. Nice work! I'm buying one for sure. One question though. What pressure do you run your CO2 at? I like super fizzy and was worried it wouldn't be strong enough for me.
All installed. A 19 L Cornelius keg with your float valve sitting in a fridge set at 2 degrees. water pressure is 90 psi and the CO2 is set to 72 psi. I'm dispensing through a Belgium beer tap set in a German-style column. The water comes out like an erupting volcano, spluttering and gurgling. The water doesn't stay carbonated. It is like it loses a lot at the point of dispensing. I've fitted your flow control ball lock on the water out, and it does reduce the flow so I end up with a less violent volcano. Do you have any suggestions about how to get a smoother flow of fizzy water?
Due to my kitchen layout, my kegerator isn't close to my mains water supply. Is it possible to use this setup for manual refill? So basically, instead of leaving it connected for continuous refill, it's left disconnected with refill only done when the keg is empty?
You need regulated mains water in for this to work. If you can't get this, just use a keg without the reactor lid and carbonate as normal - that's completely viable
This looks like an awesome approach! I still have the impression that an inline carbonator might suit my needs a bit better, though. Because: - I want to avoid refrigeration. The regular temperature of tab water is cold enough for me. - I am wondering about hygiene issues when the system isn't used for a couple of weeks (e.g. when ob holiday) Does Kegland have a inline carbonator system? Is it possible to get a decent level of gas into the water with such a system?
I am in America. I'm just looking for a larger setup like soda stream. So I can make more soda without the soda stream co2 cost. What parts would I need from you?
for the mains water supply we normally use the 1/4 tubing. As a result you can use this fitting here: www.kegland.com.au/diverter-valve-1-4-inch-for-reverse-osmosis-filter-system.html
The parts are all listed with part numbers in the instruction manual here: www.kegland.com.au/media/pdf/Instruction%20Manual%20Soda%20Carbonator%20Keg%20Reactor%20Lid.pdf
Hi. I currently use this and are very happy with it. Is it safe to use your floating dip tubes in this designated keg as the intention is to just leave this keg permanently hooked up and only remove it very occasionally to give it a deep clean and I was wondering if the silicon tubing will be ok long term submersed for many months? Thanks :)
Yes the silicone tube is fine to be submersed for long period. That will work fine but normally the floating dip tube has no function for this setup so you may as well just use the standard rigid one.
You can get an adaptor that lets you connect to a standard plumbing fitting that you'd find under your sink, and the you run the EvaBarrier hose line to the fridge. Probably can also connect a filtration system between as well for filtered carbonated water.
I have a water leak that seems to be coming from the mains water inlet. I am running 70psi main with 55psi Co2. I also checked the inlet water post fastener and made sure it was tight. Anything else I should check? The leak is a slow dribble, otherwise I am loving this new setup.
You have to make sure the fittings are pushed all the way in. I think a lot of customers only push the tube half way in and only seals on 1 o-ring but to get a good seal the tube must be pushed all the way into the fitting and this usually solves the problem.
This is great. I ordered one from morebeer in the US. One question: I’m only getting about 40 psi in the inline regulator from my main water supply. Is there any solution you can think of to increase pressure before feeding it into the keg?
Yes. This product will do the job for you: www.morebeer.com/products/super-sucker-transfer-pump.html It has an output of about 90psi which is perfect for this application and also an auto-cut off pressure switch when 90psi is reached.
@@KegLandwith the super sucker pump, can we leave the pump with the switch in the 'on' position so that it delivers water as needed to the keg, or do we need to manually turn it on/off?
@@ahusic7937 @KegLand Did you ever figure this out? I was hoping to use it for the same situation, to boost my water pressure here in the USA. What happens if left on all the time. What happens when water is not needed (keg is full)?
Hi, one more thin: im at 50 psi CO2 right now. And i use a Plutogun. While dispensing it shoots out like crazy iam not able to pour glases without splashing everywhere. i also tried to use a ball lock and a regulator to get the pressure down but it still has so much pressure in the hose. any tip or solution here?
You can use the small ID beer line such as the evabarrier 3mm ID and this will restrict the flow enough to eliminate this issue. Alternatively you can use this product: ua-cam.com/video/lyjnsroeaKQ/v-deo.html
I'm curious how bubbly the water gets. I used to carbonate directly into kegs that I kept in a refrigerator but I had to shake the kegs to get it bubbly enough.
You can get the soda VERY bubbly. Please be aware that very bubble sodawater requires higher pressures. I like my water very bubbly but I dispense with about 65psi. No shaking is required with this device as it sprays a mist into the keg which is why you get instant carbonation as the water comes in.
I'm getting fizzy water but it's super weak this time. The first two times I've used this it was awesome. I just swapped for a full CO2 tank and hooked it all up again. I must have done something different this time and it's not carbonating fully. Does it matter which you turn on first, the CO2 or the water?
It's best to turn on the CO2 first and then the water. If you did not do this then just wait a couple days for the system to equalize and for the co2 to saturate into solution. also make sure your water pressures and co2 pressures are high enough.
Hi there I am setting up the 4 tap Keggerator and looking to use this from of the taps. Should I get a gas manifold running off the 2.6kg bottle to keep different gas pressures for beer and this?
As long as you use something to drop the pressure such as an inline regulator that will be fine. The carbonated water needs higher pressures than your beer does.
hi, im setting up a continuous soda water system with the keg reactor lid. i follwed instructions according to diagram in user manual. im using a pre chill keg, and the main keg with carbonator. it works great but i had some issues. number one is the pre chill keg got carbonated as well, even though im using a check valve between the carbonator ball lock and tee. and the second issue is that i left the co2 tank for 24 hours as sugested in the manual, but today i figured that the co2 tank is empty. could be the check valve damaged? it does not leak water, but i cant understand why the pre chill keg got carbonated and where did all the co2 leaked. i sprayed buble water and seemed to not leaking. my co2 tank was full, its a 5 pound capacity tank. the co2 tank, and 2 kegs (main tank is a 3 gal and pre chill is a 1.3 gal . everything inside a fridge at 0 C degrees, could co2 got freezed at this temperature?
that sounds a bit strange. The pre-chill keg should not be getting carbonated. Can you send us some photos of how you set it up as it's possible that the plumbing is not connected correctly.
I installed a McCann's carbonator and I use it on 120 PSI to carbonate water, it has been running since January 1 this year, I don't think that the system on this video really works, in my experience you need a lot of pressure on the water and on CO2 as well, with this plastic hose and plastic check valves, I really doubt it works. Just buy a used carbonator on ebay and start playing with it. I installed my system in 90 minutes flat with a water filter and a mini jockey box. Just remember to always use plastic or stainless steel after the water is carbonated because it can be dangerous using other metals as the carbonated water can become toxic.
I have a question. You said the water pressure there is very high. What type of hose do you use before the inline regulator. that can handle that pressure? Most hoses I’ve seen are rated for a max of 60 psi. Thanks! (Im in the USA, and just purchased this lid. What a great idea)
My guess is a smaller vessel means you can consume the chilled water faster. Once the chilled water is consumed, the vessel has not-so-chilled water in it, and then it won't carbonate as well as chilled water does.
not at all. it carbonates much quicker than this and when we have been using this in the office we go through about 10 litres per day on a hot day and we still continue to get carbonated water. It pretty much carbonates instantly.
@@alexanderkirkegaard8522 This comes down to personal preference. I set my CO2 pressure quite high at 65psi and this works well for me. We have some customers use as low as 25psi for lightly carbonated water.
My goal is to use 5 gal cornelius keg worth of space to make chilled water and carbonated water. Will this work on a slimline torpedo? I’m thinking of stacking 2 slimlines (1.5 gal + 2.5 gal) each equipped with your float valve. The 2.5 gal will be used for carbonating and the 1.5 will be used for chilled water dispensing (I guess I will plug the air in port). My main question is A) will these fit the slimline torpedo cap opening B) can I still stack them with the increased height of the air in port sticking up. Thanks for the help
how long before they release a keg (the same dimensions as a 19L) that has the reservoir built in so it pre-chills before entering the carbonation chamber?
I am assuming you want to use this for carbonated water? This can be done by just using two kegs. So use one keg as the pre-chilling keg and the second keg to hold the carbonated water. One thing we are working on is some smaller compact 2l kegs that take this lid so maybe this will be suitable for your application.
@@KegLand for sure you can hook up two kegs, but my thought was that maybe you're designing a system with the daisy chaining built-in... Oh to have the resources to design homebrew products... As an engineer it's a dream job haha
@@ryanc3001 Another options we have been considering is if the pre-chilling was done by a cooling coil that is immersed in the soda water keg. If we make an integrated solution this is probably the more likely thing that would happen.
@@KegLand +1 for this - I have been trying to find a vapor compression cooling jacket that is less expensive than just sticking the thing in a mini fridge. I wonder if a peltier module would be enough for a small home use keg?
@@erich1394 I would not recommend a Peltier module for this. Peltiers have high COP when adjusting the temperature by just a few degrees from ambient. They are increasingly more innefficient as you the change in temperature gets greater. The thermal mass of water is signficant and to get good carbonation at a fast pace you need to get the temp down to 0-5C so you need to pump a reasonable amount of heat. A Peltier to do this job be very power hungry and the small amount you would save on the initial purchase cost of the Peltier (when compared with a proper compressor) would be offset in your high power bill very quickly.
It will continue to work if the mains water is disconnected but at some stage you will run out of water and then start blowing gas so just best to leave the mains water connected all the time.
If you wanted to slow the flow down you can just use a ball valve. We have duotight ball valve that works fine for this application and it's the cheapest easiest way to solve the problem.
It really comes down to how clean your water is. If you have soft water you will almost never need to clean but if you have hard water then you may need to look at this from time to time. I would inspect after 12 months and then see what it looks like. Then use this to gauge what your perioding cleaning schedule should be.
hi, what is the ideal temperature the water should be? i´m in the 24 hr carbonation process right now, and the fridge is set to 5 in a scale of 0 to 7. The carbonator lid i got has an extra blue part attached to the silver nut. Should i adjust this in any way? i installed it as i got it. Should i worry about that?
The colder you go the more highly carbonated the results will be. So it just comes down to personal preference. The blue jet doesnt need to be adjusted.
once its fully carbonated at 30 - 50 psi for 24 hrs, should i set my regulator presure to 10 psi for serving, or it has to remain 30 - 50 always? Can i close the co2 tank knob when im not dispensing water? i have a 5 punds c02 tank (it was full) , left it carbonating a 5 gallon keg and now the co2 tank is empty, is this normal or i may have a leak? please help me, i dont know if im doing wrong and dont kbow what to do.
You have around a 2L reservoir of carbonated water. If that is drained quickly it will affect bounce back time, but this isn not a big factor in a typical usage scenario
@@KegLand The instructions seem to only cover if you’re feeding it water. I’m filling the keg with water, putting it in the fridge and then connecting the gas tank. I’m confused on what to do with set up.
Yes you could do this but it's technically not designed for this application. If the beer is clear and has no particulates it would work. If you have chunks in the beer it would clog up the spray jet quickly so you just need to be concerned about that.
once its fully carbonated at 30 - 50 psi for 24 hrs, should i set my regulator presure to 10 psi for serving, or it has to remain 30 - 50 always? Can i close the co2 tank knob when im not dispensing water? i have a 5 punds c02 tank (it was full) , left it carbonating a 5 gallon keg and now the co2 tank is empty, is this normal or i may have a leak? please help me, i dont know if im doing wrong and dont kbow what to do.
@@KegLand there’s a small blue piece of plastic. It seems that the water sprays out through it and it adjusts the mist or spray. I’d take a photo but it’s all sealed up now.
For sure - you can use an on demand pump like the Super Sucker, actually: www.kegland.com.au/products/super-sucker-1-2-inch-bsp-self-priming-siphon-transfer-diaphragm-pump-transformer?_pos=1&_sid=9bd420cec&_ss=r
@@josepht1575 Most of the beer spouts we sell are the 10mm ID which flow best when 250ml - 450ml per 10 seconds are going through this diameter. Also I am not sure what your setzer is carbonated to but assuming it's 2.5volumes then you would be probably dispensing this at about 10-14psi at about 2-3C temperature. So assuming you are using one of our standard beer taps and the above is true then I would recommend about 1-1.5meters of 4mm ID. 16ft sounds way too long for 4mm ID but we ideally need more information from you to determin the exact figures.
Hello, great product! You mentioned in the video that if you daisy chain a pre chill tank you send the water to the carbonator from the gas post. I think this is a mistake? Wouldn’t you send the water out of the prechilled from the liquid out then into the carbonator lid?
You can do that too and both would work. If you go out of the gas post the pre-chilled tank will be forced to fill with water. If however you go out of the liquid post you can have a small air cavity in the pre-chilled tank so this is the only difference. You can also just solve the problem by pulling the PRV on the pre-chill tank until water comes out and you know it's full.
@@KegLand Can you run gas into the first tank as well to get a head start on carbonating? My system needs a very high throughput, I was thinking 3 kegs daisy chained together with gas running to all of them. Would that work?
@@jcl77771 Yes you can do this if you want to. If you installed one of these onto the top of each keg you would have very carbonated water at the end. You might also want to consider the Benchy Sparkling unit that we just released last week. This will also do the job and can handle about 20litres per hour
Sorry we have really been selling regulators fast recently. We have some mini regulators but honestly if you are using a large cylinder I would just wait for the MK4 regulator: www.kegland.com.au/co2-gas-regulator-mk4-dual-gauge-multi-gas-type-30.html
Check the product page for all these details: www.kegland.com.au/products/soda-carbonator-carbonation-keg-reactor-lid-continuous-soda-water-solution?_pos=1&_sid=8a31aa8e7&_ss=r
@@KegLand awesome, thank you! i live in munich, but norway seems much more managable than australia :) maybe you can put a list of international partners on your website :)
This is not a one line answer. The speed of carbonation is primarily a function of three different variables: 1. Temperature 2. Surface Area to volume ratio 3. Gas Pressure
@@chiheblamouri9439 It's difficult to answer the question without knowing the answer to the above numbers. If you are using a 19L keg we assume the surface area is 346cm^2 and you have the keg filled to 18L. If we assume your temperature of the keg and water is 4C. If we also assume your gas pressure is about 50psi then if you do not use this carbonation lid then the keg will be reasonably carbonated in about 2 days. If however you use this lid the water sprays into the keg in a mist and this greatly incrfeases the surface area meaningn that as long as you can continue to provide cold water to this lid you can continuously carbonate at a speed of about 40L per hour. The key point to reaching this 40L per hour speed is making sure your water stays cold. So if you want to cool water this fast then you might consider having another keg that the water chills in and flows through before it enters the carbonation keg. Anther alternative is that if you are using a really high rate of carbonated water you can consider using our Icemaster G40 unit to pre-chill the water before it goes into this unit. If you only demand about 1-5L per hour then all of this is not necessary and you can just use a single keg sitting in a cold fridge and this will do the job fine.
No worries. It's a great system that works well. We also have now finished the Benchy Sparling unit which is more expensive but it's easier to install and you do not have to use an existing fridge at all.
Can the system be set up for bottled water? I will not voluntarily drink fluoridated water especially water from Melbourne. The fluoride is basically uncontrolled into the water supply. We have tested this finding that the levels can be up to 30 times the recommended levels. Also fluoride / fluorine is a waste product from Pivot , a company that produces fertilizer for farms. the fluoride in Melbourne's water supply is sodium fluoride which is the active ingredient in rat poison. Fluoride also strips our lymph glands of iodine which is not good for your long term health.
The only real value in using this setup with bottled water is to remove the 1-2 day carbonation period with a keg of chilled water, because this continuously fills and carbonates. If you wanted to use bottled water to produce carbonated/fizzy water, the easiest way is to just skip the carbonation lid altogether. Buy a full-sized Corney keg (19 liters) fill it with bottled water, chill and connect directly to the gas and to a tap. It will carbonate in a day or two and off you go. When the keg is empty, refill it and repeat. That's what I currently do using filtered tap water. If you do want a more continuous, chilled setup, I suppose you could do as they suggest and use a second keg as a reservoir and just manually fill that one up from a bottle when it runs empty? Alternatively, I dont see any reason you couldn't connect this to a water filter? I think a decent 3 or 5 part water filter should strip out most of the stuff you're talking about. Worse case, a RO filter will clean that water right up, though water flow is pretty slow. Depending on the flow from your filter, you may need to go the route of a second keg as a reservoir, and one-way check valves to prevent any backflow.
@@Starganderfish You can easily set the system up to feed from an RO water system. So if you really want to have pure water source that is carbonated this is the way to go. Most RO systems will have slightly low pressure on the output of the filter system so you just need to boost the pressure back up with a 12v Caravan type pump that you can pick up for about $30
@@KegLand ...I live in Hungary...am an Aussie...and I buy 2 litres of water a day at 50 cents for the 2 litre bottle...in a year, even at that low price, that is close to $170 odd dollars Oz. I must get a water filter!
Actually a device like this did exist back in the 1970's, the sears department store chain sold a home soda dispenser made by cornelius but sold under the kenmore brand name that had a motorless carbonator lid with a float valve in it just like this lid setup. It was a fairly expensive machine so they probably didn't sell a lot of them but i remember seeing one in the store on display and in the catalogs, sometimes they turn up on ebay.
Nice stuff, great for cocktail makers aswell.
Didn't learn anything I didn't already know but I wanted to compliment you on your sharp presentation. So many details spot on mate; this is an excellent resource for anyone who doesn't know the first thing about carbonating water. Also, super reasonable prices for your kit...
thanks james much appreciated
@@KegLand hi there. How do I get the mains water line into a regular fridge?
@@thomasredden9068 Short of the obvious answer of drilling a hole, you may be able to tee off an internal water dispenser line depending on how it is routed. Many refrigerators have a coil of polyethelyene tubing to have at least a glass of water chilled. If you insert the tee, make sure that it is _before_ the solenoid that gets activated when you press on the water dispenser, or that opens when the ice maker needs water to make more ice.
@@Z__K217I mean honestly you don’t need much fancy if you don’t mind filling the kegs by hand but it will go empty when you use it all up. The whole thing with the float here is that it’s continuously self-replenishing. You can just buy yourself a corny keg, 2.5 or 5 gallon keg, fill with cold water, put under gas and wait for it to carbonate. When it spits and sputters swap out the keg and fill the empty one back up. You can use a Y splitter to keep both under pressure but just serve from one. If you want it to generate uninterrupted fizzy water you need a pump to force the water into the keg and like he said the pressure of that water supply has to exceed the CO2 pressure or the valve won’t be able to let the water in.
@@JamesReedy Sincere thanks James!
Keep innovating!
What kind of line are you using for in line and check valve?
As an American, I have to say I am really impressed with Australian ingenuity.
Thank you! Cheers!
Hahah "Oooh that's some spicy water"
Looking at doing this for our bar - on a bust saturday night we can go through 20L in a few hours.
We'll look to prechill the water, but could adding a carbonation stone to an extended dipstick on the CO2 inlet side help also? Ideally we'd only run a single 19L corny keg.
This is too funny, I've literally just finished learning Arduino to run a solenoid valve triggered by a float valve (basically your idea just more complicated and fiddly). So when I hopped on Kegland site to buy some more line and fittings to finished off my masterpiece, I see your product and I'm blown away. Nice work! I'm buying one for sure.
One question though. What pressure do you run your CO2 at? I like super fizzy and was worried it wouldn't be strong enough for me.
All installed. A 19 L Cornelius keg with your float valve sitting in a fridge set at 2 degrees. water pressure is 90 psi and the CO2 is set to 72 psi. I'm dispensing through a Belgium beer tap set in a German-style column. The water comes out like an erupting volcano, spluttering and gurgling. The water doesn't stay carbonated. It is like it loses a lot at the point of dispensing. I've fitted your flow control ball lock on the water out, and it does reduce the flow so I end up with a less violent volcano. Do you have any suggestions about how to get a smoother flow of fizzy water?
Outstanding
Thanks Rum River Man!
Why not put the check valve between the regulator and the keg fluid in?
Great video
Thanks!
Where do I order a carbonated soda water kit?
That’s the strongest argument I can think of for not using a check valve!
4 taps!!! wow thats awesome
Curious if tis is a different sized fridge to the Series 4. Not sure 4 kegs would fit in the current Kegerator line.
Yeah we are going to release the video on the new Series X kegerator next week.
Quick question about checking for leaks:
What if it does drop but not to zero?
That might just be because your water is absorbing the gas. Best do do a pressure check with the kegs empty
Due to my kitchen layout, my kegerator isn't close to my mains water supply. Is it possible to use this setup for manual refill? So basically, instead of leaving it connected for continuous refill, it's left disconnected with refill only done when the keg is empty?
You need regulated mains water in for this to work. If you can't get this, just use a keg without the reactor lid and carbonate as normal - that's completely viable
Noice, what fitting do you use at the mains end?
What fittings do you have on your mains water supply?
Coooool. Is this available in the US??
This looks like an awesome approach! I still have the impression that an inline carbonator might suit my needs a bit better, though. Because:
- I want to avoid refrigeration. The regular temperature of tab water is cold enough for me.
- I am wondering about hygiene issues when the system isn't used for a couple of weeks (e.g. when ob holiday)
Does Kegland have a inline carbonator system? Is it possible to get a decent level of gas into the water with such a system?
Yes we use this system in our office and it works great and has very high carbonation level
I am in America. I'm just looking for a larger setup like soda stream. So I can make more soda without the soda stream co2 cost. What parts would I need from you?
Have a question?
If you do a beer with this lid and jump outline to this lid (same keg)
Would it be some loop of carbonation ?
It's best that you go to our website and download the PDF instruction manual as this has the diagram of how it works.
Do you sell an adaptor for a regular water tap to 5mm hoses aswell? I need something to connect my water source to the carbonator. Thanks in advance!
for the mains water supply we normally use the 1/4 tubing. As a result you can use this fitting here:
www.kegland.com.au/diverter-valve-1-4-inch-for-reverse-osmosis-filter-system.html
could u add a list from ur shop with this setup u show and maybe a small keg
The parts are all listed with part numbers in the instruction manual here:
www.kegland.com.au/media/pdf/Instruction%20Manual%20Soda%20Carbonator%20Keg%20Reactor%20Lid.pdf
Hi. I currently use this and are very happy with it. Is it safe to use your floating dip tubes in this designated keg as the intention is to just leave this keg permanently hooked up and only remove it very occasionally to give it a deep clean and I was wondering if the silicon tubing will be ok long term submersed for many months? Thanks :)
Yes the silicone tube is fine to be submersed for long period. That will work fine but normally the floating dip tube has no function for this setup so you may as well just use the standard rigid one.
How would you plumb the main water into the kegerator?
You can get an adaptor that lets you connect to a standard plumbing fitting that you'd find under your sink, and the you run the EvaBarrier hose line to the fridge. Probably can also connect a filtration system between as well for filtered carbonated water.
Finally!!!!
I have a water leak that seems to be coming from the mains water inlet. I am running 70psi main with 55psi Co2. I also checked the inlet water post fastener and made sure it was tight. Anything else I should check? The leak is a slow dribble, otherwise I am loving this new setup.
You have to make sure the fittings are pushed all the way in. I think a lot of customers only push the tube half way in and only seals on 1 o-ring but to get a good seal the tube must be pushed all the way into the fitting and this usually solves the problem.
This is great. I ordered one from morebeer in the US. One question: I’m only getting about 40 psi in the inline regulator from my main water supply. Is there any solution you can think of to increase pressure before feeding it into the keg?
Yes. This product will do the job for you:
www.morebeer.com/products/super-sucker-transfer-pump.html
It has an output of about 90psi which is perfect for this application and also an auto-cut off pressure switch when 90psi is reached.
@@KegLandwith the super sucker pump, can we leave the pump with the switch in the 'on' position so that it delivers water as needed to the keg, or do we need to manually turn it on/off?
@@ahusic7937 @KegLand Did you ever figure this out? I was hoping to use it for the same situation, to boost my water pressure here in the USA. What happens if left on all the time. What happens when water is not needed (keg is full)?
When will this be available in the USA?
If you contact www.morebeer.com they should be able to assist you with this question.
Hi, one more thin: im at 50 psi CO2 right now. And i use a Plutogun. While dispensing it shoots out like crazy iam not able to pour glases without splashing everywhere. i also tried to use a ball lock and a regulator to get the pressure down but it still has so much pressure in the hose. any tip or solution here?
You can use the small ID beer line such as the evabarrier 3mm ID and this will restrict the flow enough to eliminate this issue. Alternatively you can use this product:
ua-cam.com/video/lyjnsroeaKQ/v-deo.html
I'm curious how bubbly the water gets. I used to carbonate directly into kegs that I kept in a refrigerator but I had to shake the kegs to get it bubbly enough.
You can get the soda VERY bubbly. Please be aware that very bubble sodawater requires higher pressures. I like my water very bubbly but I dispense with about 65psi.
No shaking is required with this device as it sprays a mist into the keg which is why you get instant carbonation as the water comes in.
I'm getting fizzy water but it's super weak this time. The first two times I've used this it was awesome. I just swapped for a full CO2 tank and hooked it all up again. I must have done something different this time and it's not carbonating fully. Does it matter which you turn on first, the CO2 or the water?
It's best to turn on the CO2 first and then the water. If you did not do this then just wait a couple days for the system to equalize and for the co2 to saturate into solution.
also make sure your water pressures and co2 pressures are high enough.
@@KegLand thank you! We are back in business! I just needed to be patient.
Hi there I am setting up the 4 tap Keggerator and looking to use this from of the taps. Should I get a gas manifold running off the 2.6kg bottle to keep different gas pressures for beer and this?
As long as you use something to drop the pressure such as an inline regulator that will be fine. The carbonated water needs higher pressures than your beer does.
hi, im setting up a continuous soda water system with the keg reactor lid. i follwed instructions according to diagram in user manual. im using a pre chill keg, and the main keg with carbonator. it works great but i had some issues. number one is the pre chill keg got carbonated as well, even though im using a check valve between the carbonator ball lock and tee. and the second issue is that i left the co2 tank for 24 hours as sugested in the manual, but today i figured that the co2 tank is empty. could be the check valve damaged? it does not leak water, but i cant understand why the pre chill keg got carbonated and where did all the co2 leaked. i sprayed buble water and seemed to not leaking. my co2 tank was full, its a 5 pound capacity tank. the co2 tank, and 2 kegs (main tank is a 3 gal and pre chill is a 1.3 gal . everything inside a fridge at 0 C degrees, could co2 got freezed at this temperature?
that sounds a bit strange. The pre-chill keg should not be getting carbonated. Can you send us some photos of how you set it up as it's possible that the plumbing is not connected correctly.
How does this compare to a McCanns carbonator?
I installed a McCann's carbonator and I use it on 120 PSI to carbonate water, it has been running since January 1 this year, I don't think that the system on this video really works, in my experience you need a lot of pressure on the water and on CO2 as well, with this plastic hose and plastic check valves, I really doubt it works. Just buy a used carbonator on ebay and start playing with it. I installed my system in 90 minutes flat with a water filter and a mini jockey box. Just remember to always use plastic or stainless steel after the water is carbonated because it can be dangerous using other metals as the carbonated water can become toxic.
Nice 🙂
Hey, trying to understand the best way to set this up. how thick are the hoses? should I be going 3/16-7/16 throughout? does it make a difference?
Normally 1/4" water line, 8mm everywhere else. There's a step by step guide on the product page with links
I have a question. You said the water pressure there is very high. What type of hose do you use before the inline regulator. that can handle that pressure? Most hoses I’ve seen are rated for a max of 60 psi. Thanks! (Im in the USA, and just purchased this lid. What a great idea)
Where did you find this in the US? I can't seem to find it anywhere! Do you have a link?
I'd also be very interested to know where you found this item? I have been waiting months.
I just ordered one from Canada at: www.ontariobeerkegs.com/Soda_Carbonator_Carbonation_Lid_Continuous_p/carbonator-keg-reactor-lid.htm
@@jsfarrow69 WOOF that shipping nearly doubles the price of the thing! Thanks, though!
@@coleschubbe I'm gonna call MoreBeer today and see if they can get it in because that shipping nearly doubles the price of the thing!
Is it possible to use a smaller keg 1.6gallon? What is the disadvantage?
My guess is a smaller vessel means you can consume the chilled water faster. Once the chilled water is consumed, the vessel has not-so-chilled water in it, and then it won't carbonate as well as chilled water does.
We have just come out with 2L corny Ball lock kegs for this purpose.
What fitting do you have to connect dispenser to Big Mac unit
Not sure, sorry. But now I want a burger. Send a photo to the service team - they'll work it out :)
Can I use this without plumbing it in and just fill the kegs myself?
If you're filling the keg yourself you would only need the regular lid, the gas input into the usual spot and soda water out the liquid post.
No need for the lid if you are directly filling the keg.
How does the carbonation work? I find kegs of soda water still take a few days to carbonate, even with the higher pressures.
not at all. it carbonates much quicker than this and when we have been using this in the office we go through about 10 litres per day on a hot day and we still continue to get carbonated water. It pretty much carbonates instantly.
What PSI do you set it to to get 8nstant carbonation?
@@KegLand Hi, could you answer catphish on what psi you set it to, to get this kinda instant carbonation?
@@alexanderkirkegaard8522 This comes down to personal preference. I set my CO2 pressure quite high at 65psi and this works well for me. We have some customers use as low as 25psi for lightly carbonated water.
@@KegLand hi again, thanks for the answer.
My goal is to use 5 gal cornelius keg worth of space to make chilled water and carbonated water. Will this work on a slimline torpedo? I’m thinking of stacking 2 slimlines (1.5 gal + 2.5 gal) each equipped with your float valve. The 2.5 gal will be used for carbonating and the 1.5 will be used for chilled water dispensing (I guess I will plug the air in port).
My main question is A) will these fit the slimline torpedo cap opening B) can I still stack them with the increased height of the air in port sticking up. Thanks for the help
As long as it has a standard corny lid it should be fine
Can you use the keg for just co2 instead of a co2 cylinder?
I guess so but you would have to replace the keg frequently as the stored CO2 in the keg would not be very much.
@@KegLand makes sense. Thanks
how long before they release a keg (the same dimensions as a 19L) that has the reservoir built in so it pre-chills before entering the carbonation chamber?
I am assuming you want to use this for carbonated water? This can be done by just using two kegs. So use one keg as the pre-chilling keg and the second keg to hold the carbonated water.
One thing we are working on is some smaller compact 2l kegs that take this lid so maybe this will be suitable for your application.
@@KegLand for sure you can hook up two kegs, but my thought was that maybe you're designing a system with the daisy chaining built-in... Oh to have the resources to design homebrew products... As an engineer it's a dream job haha
@@ryanc3001 Another options we have been considering is if the pre-chilling was done by a cooling coil that is immersed in the soda water keg. If we make an integrated solution this is probably the more likely thing that would happen.
@@KegLand +1 for this - I have been trying to find a vapor compression cooling jacket that is less expensive than just sticking the thing in a mini fridge. I wonder if a peltier module would be enough for a small home use keg?
@@erich1394 I would not recommend a Peltier module for this. Peltiers have high COP when adjusting the temperature by just a few degrees from ambient. They are increasingly more innefficient as you the change in temperature gets greater. The thermal mass of water is signficant and to get good carbonation at a fast pace you need to get the temp down to 0-5C so you need to pump a reasonable amount of heat. A Peltier to do this job be very power hungry and the small amount you would save on the initial purchase cost of the Peltier (when compared with a proper compressor) would be offset in your high power bill very quickly.
So I don’t have to shake the keg to carbonate the water anymore with this?
Correct. Shaking the keg is not necessary with this device.
Does this only work if the mains water is tapped in the generator lid?
It will continue to work if the mains water is disconnected but at some stage you will run out of water and then start blowing gas so just best to leave the mains water connected all the time.
What PSI do you set your soda water to?
I have the CO2 set to about 50psi and the mains water set to about 70psi.
@@KegLand Do you have to put a limiter to the tap so it's not spraying at that pressure? Or does a smaller diameter hose restrict enough?
If you wanted to slow the flow down you can just use a ball valve. We have duotight ball valve that works fine for this application and it's the cheapest easiest way to solve the problem.
Should i clean the keg and the lid at a period and if so, how?
It really comes down to how clean your water is. If you have soft water you will almost never need to clean but if you have hard water then you may need to look at this from time to time. I would inspect after 12 months and then see what it looks like. Then use this to gauge what your perioding cleaning schedule should be.
hi, what is the ideal temperature the water should be? i´m in the 24 hr carbonation process right now, and the fridge is set to 5 in a scale of 0 to 7. The carbonator lid i got has an extra blue part attached to the silver nut. Should i adjust this in any way? i installed it as i got it. Should i worry about that?
The colder you go the more highly carbonated the results will be. So it just comes down to personal preference. The blue jet doesnt need to be adjusted.
once its fully carbonated at 30 - 50 psi for 24 hrs, should i set my regulator presure to 10 psi for serving, or it has to remain 30 - 50 always? Can i close the co2 tank knob when im not dispensing water? i have a 5 punds c02 tank (it was full) , left it carbonating a 5 gallon keg and now the co2 tank is empty, is this normal or i may have a leak? please help me, i dont know if im doing wrong and dont kbow what to do.
About to buy a few of these. If you pour 10 back to back drinks, wouldn't that affect carbonation level? Or does this lid act as a co2 agitater?
You have around a 2L reservoir of carbonated water. If that is drained quickly it will affect bounce back time, but this isn not a big factor in a typical usage scenario
What are the instructions for when you are just using the co2 tank with a keg in the a fridge?
You can go to the PDF instruction sheet here:
www.kegland.com.au/media/pdf/Instruction%20Manual%20Soda%20Carbonator%20Keg%20Reactor%20Lid.pdf
@@KegLand The instructions seem to only cover if you’re feeding it water. I’m filling the keg with water, putting it in the fridge and then connecting the gas tank. I’m confused on what to do with set up.
This still wouldn't justify my 15 kegs to the missus.
This might be a stupid question but can you use that carbonation lid to carb a beer ?
Yes you could do this but it's technically not designed for this application. If the beer is clear and has no particulates it would work. If you have chunks in the beer it would clog up the spray jet quickly so you just need to be concerned about that.
once its fully carbonated at 30 - 50 psi for 24 hrs, should i set my regulator presure to 10 psi for serving, or it has to remain 30 - 50 always? Can i close the co2 tank knob when im not dispensing water? i have a 5 punds c02 tank (it was full) , left it carbonating a 5 gallon keg and now the co2 tank is empty, is this normal or i may have a leak? please help me, i dont know if im doing wrong and dont kbow what to do.
It's normal for the CO2 to dissolve into the water.
What is the purpose of the blue threaded thingy? I've noticed its not present on yours. Cheers
@@KegLand there’s a small blue piece of plastic. It seems that the water sprays out through it and it adjusts the mist or spray.
I’d take a photo but it’s all sealed up now.
So do you keep the mains water on all the time?
Yes, once you have checked for leaks and done a pressure check then you can leave the mains water on all the time.
I have really low water pressure. Would using a diaphragm pump be a viable solution to get a higher pressure?
For sure - you can use an on demand pump like the Super Sucker, actually: www.kegland.com.au/products/super-sucker-1-2-inch-bsp-self-priming-siphon-transfer-diaphragm-pump-transformer?_pos=1&_sid=9bd420cec&_ss=r
Hey question, do we need a water supply in order for this to work? or am i able to just keep filling it manually? Thanks!
It needs to be hooked up to regulate mains pressure water
what do you use to mix the soda syrup?
You can either dose each glass or add it to the keg and roll it for a couple of mins.
@@KegLand I've been running seltzer at 45 psi. How long should 4mm Eva barrier hosing be to the tap? Seems to be inconsistent at 16ft
@@josepht1575 Most of the beer spouts we sell are the 10mm ID which flow best when 250ml - 450ml per 10 seconds are going through this diameter. Also I am not sure what your setzer is carbonated to but assuming it's 2.5volumes then you would be probably dispensing this at about 10-14psi at about 2-3C temperature. So assuming you are using one of our standard beer taps and the above is true then I would recommend about 1-1.5meters of 4mm ID. 16ft sounds way too long for 4mm ID but we ideally need more information from you to determin the exact figures.
Hello, I'm stationed in Belgium and I was wondering if you have a supplier here? Google and the interwebs isn't really helping at the mo.
www.kegland.com.au/distributor
If you check this map you can find our distributors above.
Can I get one in the UK?
We have a complete list of distributors on our website.
Hello, great product! You mentioned in the video that if you daisy chain a pre chill tank you send the water to the carbonator from the gas post. I think this is a mistake? Wouldn’t you send the water out of the prechilled from the liquid out then into the carbonator lid?
You can do that too and both would work. If you go out of the gas post the pre-chilled tank will be forced to fill with water. If however you go out of the liquid post you can have a small air cavity in the pre-chilled tank so this is the only difference. You can also just solve the problem by pulling the PRV on the pre-chill tank until water comes out and you know it's full.
@@KegLand Can you run gas into the first tank as well to get a head start on carbonating? My system needs a very high throughput, I was thinking 3 kegs daisy chained together with gas running to all of them. Would that work?
@@jcl77771 Yes you can do this if you want to. If you installed one of these onto the top of each keg you would have very carbonated water at the end. You might also want to consider the Benchy Sparkling unit that we just released last week. This will also do the job and can handle about 20litres per hour
@@KegLand I was looking at that too, but have some desire to keep things mechanically simple. What does the maintenance look like on the Benchy?
What other mains regulator can i use ? since this one isn't in stock for 2 months ?
Sorry we have really been selling regulators fast recently. We have some mini regulators but honestly if you are using a large cylinder I would just wait for the MK4 regulator:
www.kegland.com.au/co2-gas-regulator-mk4-dual-gauge-multi-gas-type-30.html
Can you send a diagram and what I need to purchase from you for this seltzer set up
Check the product page for all these details: www.kegland.com.au/products/soda-carbonator-carbonation-keg-reactor-lid-continuous-soda-water-solution?_pos=1&_sid=8a31aa8e7&_ss=r
I too like the pleasure and pain experience with soda water 😂
Haha. It's the only way to drink it!
can i get one in europe anywhere?
Best to check with local distributors.
www.kegland.com.au/distributor
@KegLand Great video, great products, great pricing. Too bad I live in europe. Do you have partners over here?
Yes we do. Have you tried ordering from www.olbrygging.no/
@@KegLand awesome, thank you! i live in munich, but norway seems much more managable than australia :) maybe you can put a list of international partners on your website :)
Fizzy showers.. hmmm you need to open a bath house, that'll take off! hahaha Cheers!
LOL!
nice device , what is the % of CO2 in the water ? if more then 3.6% ( about 7Gr/Litter ) we can talk BIG global orders
Cheers! Thanks for your comment.
How long does it take for water to become carbonated ??
How long does it take to make carbonated water 'on kegs '
This is not a one line answer. The speed of carbonation is primarily a function of three different variables:
1. Temperature
2. Surface Area to volume ratio
3. Gas Pressure
@@KegLand Approximately how long does it take?
Approximation of : I want to make soda water on keg 19L ' soda water for (soft drinks) ?
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@@chiheblamouri9439 It's difficult to answer the question without knowing the answer to the above numbers. If you are using a 19L keg we assume the surface area is 346cm^2 and you have the keg filled to 18L. If we assume your temperature of the keg and water is 4C. If we also assume your gas pressure is about 50psi then if you do not use this carbonation lid then the keg will be reasonably carbonated in about 2 days. If however you use this lid the water sprays into the keg in a mist and this greatly incrfeases the surface area meaningn that as long as you can continue to provide cold water to this lid you can continuously carbonate at a speed of about 40L per hour.
The key point to reaching this 40L per hour speed is making sure your water stays cold. So if you want to cool water this fast then you might consider having another keg that the water chills in and flows through before it enters the carbonation keg. Anther alternative is that if you are using a really high rate of carbonated water you can consider using our Icemaster G40 unit to pre-chill the water before it goes into this unit.
If you only demand about 1-5L per hour then all of this is not necessary and you can just use a single keg sitting in a cold fridge and this will do the job fine.
@@KegLand Thank you for replying ,Thank you good information
What will shipping be
It's best to work this out with the website online shipping calculator
The link to the carbonating lid peaked my interest. No reference to the keg or anything else in the video removed it.
No worries. It's a great system that works well. We also have now finished the Benchy Sparling unit which is more expensive but it's easier to install and you do not have to use an existing fridge at all.
continuous filling makes the flavoring mass balance a pain
Yes that's fair to say. For general soda water consumption it works fine though. What is your application?
@@KegLand you can just add the flavour manually and later the soda
OMG I accidentally did that aswell without a check valve and had fizzy water coming out of the sink faucet xD
Haha. Very funny!
Can the system be set up for bottled water? I will not voluntarily drink fluoridated water especially water from Melbourne. The fluoride is basically uncontrolled into the water supply. We have tested this finding that the levels can be up to 30 times the recommended levels. Also fluoride / fluorine is a waste product from Pivot , a company that produces fertilizer for farms. the fluoride in Melbourne's water supply is sodium fluoride which is the active ingredient in rat poison. Fluoride also strips our lymph glands of iodine which is not good for your long term health.
The only real value in using this setup with bottled water is to remove the 1-2 day carbonation period with a keg of chilled water, because this continuously fills and carbonates. If you wanted to use bottled water to produce carbonated/fizzy water, the easiest way is to just skip the carbonation lid altogether. Buy a full-sized Corney keg (19 liters) fill it with bottled water, chill and connect directly to the gas and to a tap. It will carbonate in a day or two and off you go. When the keg is empty, refill it and repeat. That's what I currently do using filtered tap water. If you do want a more continuous, chilled setup, I suppose you could do as they suggest and use a second keg as a reservoir and just manually fill that one up from a bottle when it runs empty?
Alternatively, I dont see any reason you couldn't connect this to a water filter? I think a decent 3 or 5 part water filter should strip out most of the stuff you're talking about. Worse case, a RO filter will clean that water right up, though water flow is pretty slow. Depending on the flow from your filter, you may need to go the route of a second keg as a reservoir, and one-way check valves to prevent any backflow.
@@Starganderfish You can easily set the system up to feed from an RO water system. So if you really want to have pure water source that is carbonated this is the way to go. Most RO systems will have slightly low pressure on the output of the filter system so you just need to boost the pressure back up with a 12v Caravan type pump that you can pick up for about $30
@@KegLand ...I live in Hungary...am an Aussie...and I buy 2 litres of water a day at 50 cents for the 2 litre bottle...in a year, even at that low price, that is close to $170 odd dollars Oz. I must get a water filter!
@@KegLand Hey, great video. Will a caravn pump capable of 45 PSI be adequate for this? I am looking to boost up the pressure after an RO system.
do you have a what's app or email?
beer @ kegland.com.au
I did it with Avasva plans.