Assassin's Creed Odyssey Fundamentally Breaks Canon/Lore | Here's Why
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lets be real, the modern day story died off when Desmond died
True... But Ubisoft lost their Brain after Rogue
The last game I completed was unity because it was the first assassins creed that had came out after I got a ps4, but the last game I actually liked was black flag because adawale
Yesssss
I agree
The blackflag modern canon story one actually really good, like, really good.
And it doesn't really "died off", ubisoft just has been avoiding it, like they slowly shifting further from abstergo industry into a more discreet animus system. Like assassins are forced to hide for the moment
They don't really died, just losing to templars.
Let's just hope they have a plan.
Everyone: we miss Desmond we don’t like layla
Ubisoft: gives her artifact that makes her immortal
I wonder if Desmond would have survived touching Juno’s eye if he was holding the staff
Burst out laughing. Props
Hell yea we miss Desmond!!! Ubisoft cave in to the sjw crap that why we got her. Desmond was/is the chosen one not layla
Penguinsrockrgr8 Yt I support LGBTQ gimme money Fr I hate layla
Assassin's creed community: tHe F*cK wHaT iS wRoNg WiTh YoU?!?!
I think the most pressing question is why they made AC: Origins and then IMMEDIATELY made a game set before it lmao
THIS! THIS QUESTION RIGHT HERE!
Because they’re trying to show us the beginning of both assassins and Templar’s which the Templar’s where founded before the assassin.
They wanted to go to Atlantis and show us more Isu, who are most commonly associated with the Greek and Roman gods, in that respect Greece makes sense.
@@3Rayfire and then completely ruined the Isu.
@@joshuak5798 Barely ruined the ISU. Clearly you havent seen shit.
This is the assassins creed equivalent of “that’s not how the force works!”.
personally Ive always thought of it as...Desmond does the same things Altair does because its Altair's memories, Altair REMEMBERS wanting to do something, so he does it. Desmond relives those memories and experiences the same desires/emotions that Altair did, therefore Desmond FEELS that he has free will but in reality he is just remembering Altair's free will, if that makes sense. So everything you do in the game is cannon, because you relive those memories you can't change them, even though you feel that you can. Every action you make, Altair already made a thousand years ago. And if you become conscious that you don't actually have free will, and try to do something that Altair explicitly didn't, the animus desyncs.
Voss Li
Ac revelations seems to back up that idea of thinking because that whole game is about Desmond trying to get his brain back together to keep from his, Ezio’s, and Altair’s minds don’t come crashing. Using your comment, that game would essentially be Desmond trying to prevent multi personality disorder. (I haven’t played that game in a while so I could be off)
But, you can also change the past cause now you are reliving it in a sense
Mizt3r E no even in king Washington dlc in ac3 you didn’t change anything the apple of eden gave Washington and Connor visions of what the apple could do to them if they aren’t carful meaning that they didn’t change history we just relived a hallucination that Connor experienced
This making the entire dlc pointless besides from dumping apple 3 in the ocean🤣
That actually sounds like a well reasoned and thought out theroy, now why can't Ubisoft be as good as a random person on the internet
Y’all remember eagle vision?
Yeah, that thing you do in watch dogs right?
@@edwardofhydeiii666 no the thing you do in the division (uncultured swine)
@@moaptop5925 nah its the thing you do in Ghost Recon. (you fake fan)
I member
@@edwardofhydeiii666 naw splinter cell mate
I actually really like Odyssey, it just shouldn't have been and Assassin's creed game
Me too. Odyssey is just some random RPG game that has quite similar mechanics as AC games.
Same with black flag
@@ikballalli5539 I loved black flag, but I totally agree with you.
@@ikballalli5539 I'm actually gonna disagree, it still advanced the overall plot of AC and Edward ends up the Creed by the end.
Ikbal Lalli yeah no black flag is definitely classifiable as a ac game
Who's idea was it to have a assassins creed game which has nothing to do with assassins or templars since those factions don't even exist yet?
Dude they’re basing their story off civilization&history itself while using religions as an enemy due to them being a power hungry antagonist of society in real life. They’re probably trying to get rid of the animus in odyssey. Also, we have no fucking clue when civilization really started and the technological advances in time are also fuzzy. Therefore, we have no idea so they can put whatever they want. Lately they’ve lined up their history pretty well and is very metaphorical in a sense of historical moments.
It may not have those but it still has lots to do with Those Who Came Before, pieces of Eden, animuses, and modern day story, which are all core pillars of Assassins Creed.
Some ppl are just too dense to see Kassandras intrical role in the assassins creed universe. And frankly, I pity those ppl. They think assassins creed
Is about the assassins. 😂 they don't see the bigger picture. Sad.
@@Witch_Bitch86 or maybe your just too ignorant to see the big picture? When your games called "assassins creed" you would expect a game where you live an assassins story and how they served their creed right? And also stop trying to make this a "power woman" thing. I just have the need to mention that because you mention kassandria out of no context as if i hate a shitty game just because you can play as a woman. Ha no because any game company can slap a popular title on a product that has no correlation to the title and fool naive people like you. You can reply back with all the laugh emoji's you want but everyone can still see how woke you are.
@@mickeyveach3612 assassins and templars are also core pillars i mean "assassins creed" is the title
Remember when assassins wore white robes an a hood?
Alex Slayton remember when the assassins had a creed
You know they better do something big, like give us a member of the Isu alive and well as a supporting "god" to the hero.
Azrael Wolfsblood SHIIIITTTT 😂
Remember when the series was about Assassins and Templars?
Pepperidge Farm remembers.
My biggest question WHERE THE HELL ARE SHAWN AND REBECCA ?
there are seperated cause of been hunt by templar (syndicate event) while william move solo then met layla then layla form a group, eventually they will met in the future, perhaps
They appear in syndicate
They became transgender lovers.
They appear in syndicate and black flag
@@gamerdosze no offense. But reading your comment.....gave me cancer xD
My question is how is Layla immune to the bleeding effect she has gone to times farther than Desmond had she should be crazy by now
*Cough* Helix not Animus. The Animus is the one with the Bleeding Effect.
They literally warn her about the bleeding effect and refer to the simulation as the animus so you’re wrong twice
id think she is immune. its shows the bleeding effect in atlantis DLC (or could be the staff not 100% confirmed but I believe its the bleeding affect that makes her be so erratic.) but also when Layla has to view the memories of the evil sibling while they kill a man during one mission. it shows Layla begins being hostile as well, I forgot why she had to do it but yea. I believe overall the new animus is all around better about dialing back deadly symptoms, bleeding effects, etc but its always gonna be a problem anytime that kinda tec is used.
Rebellion Feildellious where in the game does it expressly explain her animus as a simulation? Just because they don't go into detail about the newer, portable animus that Layla helped design, doesn't mean there isn't new tech methods that could explain her accessing the DNA.
It’s not actually the bleeding affect while they do say it’s the bleeding affect in the fate of Atlantis it’s actually the isu speaking through the staff of Hermès and it’s not actually the bleeding affect
Origins adds rpg elements without breaking lore and then Odyssey just shits on not only the lore but the work Ashgraf did on Origins. smh.
thats what yearly release mean, and money basically
That's a good thing. Assassin Creed lore sucks anyways
@@dannylavoie5253
Millions of people disagree
@@Fastwalker27 I doubt that
@Danny Lavoie I don’t see anyone liking your comment to prove you right.
Your forgetting that nothing is true and everything is permitted...that’s the Ubisoft mindset so...
I forgot about that saying. Nice to hear it lol
I think this was explained better in one of the games
Are... are you saying that Ubisoft is actually an Assassin organization that makes games to make the Templars look bad?
The templers keep wanting to push a vegan diet on us to enslave us once again!!!
@ACW 2973 for the light for the master!!!
Am I the only person who misses the feeling of “real” assassins creed
@Febi Rec I Think he meant the gameplay/Feeling from AC1 to Revelations
Same, Syndicate was the last assassins creed
I miss assassins creed so the only reason I got odyssy is because in the season pass it atuley had 2 assassins creed games ac 3 and liberation are much better than odyssy
@@justingallimore7492 season pass is shut too, best last assassins creed was syndicate
@@errorinscript1127 I believe that only the Montreal teem should be the only ones to work on assassins creed because Quebec just screw everything up I love all the Ac game's apart from odyssey I completed odyssey and felt dumb for having played it
Odyssey should have been its own game, and I am salty that they didn’t put a hydra in the game.
Imagine if Typhon was in the game?
A Total Greek game dis-attached from AC would be so fucking good mate.
@@nauticalcreations7647 Then It will be called a God of War rip-off
@@SpeedyRogue yknow theres a greek game called "Spartan Total Warrior"
@@SpeedyRogue God Of War dives into more mythological side of things. While AC does have it's supernatural moments like god like being bosses, most of the time it's grounded and you're a spartan or a viking instead of a god who's able to punch mountains off with his bare hands.
Remember when the Hidden blade always kill instantly ? Unity and Syndicate did it best, I hate the fact that you need mad farming and grinding to be able to guarantee an instant stealth kill.
The Animations in Unity and Syndicate are the best..
Parkour, Assassination, Combat etc,
You’re new to using the hidden blade so you are gaining experience in using it.
@@jinxie712 you need experience to kill someone by stabbing him in the neck?
@@rayX98 you do have to know where to stab them or you might hit the wrong spot or hit armor. On elites that are tougher than you, you'll do a lot of damage but not enough to kill them. Also, you do have the berserk ability that will kill them and maybe have them take others out.
Another thing. In older games, you can fight with the hidden blade. You aren't one hit killing people then are you?
@@jinxie712 I'm actually talking about stealth assasination with the hidden wich should be an insta kill, rewarding players that actually kill from the shadows.
I didn't bother with Odessey but it really baffled me the first time I performed an air assassination with bayek and it didn't kill the bandit just because he was a couple of levels above mine.
That is the problem with a long runing series that has no clear direction. To justify their new ideas they have to keep adding new stuff to the lore and changing the rules, causing the lore to become inconsistent and contradictory. There are ways to make it work of course, but is clear ubisoft does not care about the lore as much as the fans do. Witch causes this divide.
Carlos Vinicius it had a direction. They just wanted to milk the game so they could make as much money as possible. If they would’ve stayed true to the story they would’ve gone fully modern by ac3. If they were going to force the extension of the franchise they should’ve at least kept the story cohesive and valuable.
Oh, i know it had a direction. I was speaking about the current state of the franchise. Also, i wold have loved a modern day ac. Those sections in ac3 were the closest we ever got, and they were pretty cool. Specially since there was no hud whatsoever, since it was outside the animus.
Carlos Vinicius Mate. Your the only one "divided" here.
This is what happened to the halo series. Bungie established a universe and 343i had to extend the lore and just bullshit their way through 3 mainline games.
@Carlos Vinicius, You hit the nail on the head. I'm one of the people that believe that they went off the rails starting with Assassin's Creed Unity. With the way they had set up AC4, I was expecting the modern day to be an interlude bridging the Desmond Arc to the next modern day story arc we would get that ties in with the new historical assassins.
Boy was I wrong.
Actually, the eagle is a significant symbol in Greek mythology because it was believed to have a connection to Zeus. So a lot of people domesticated eagles so as to convince others that the Gods of Olympus supported them. So historically, the eagle thing works.
Jeremy Cote I get how it connects to Greek mythology but towards Assassin's Creed how did Assassin's acquire Eagle Vision as an ability. Which they literally took away in Origins and replaced with an eagle.
because certain assassins are decendents of hybrids of the isu and humans. Bayek isnt one of them
No Bayek is. Thats how he was able to see through the eyes of an eagle. Connor's daughter had the exact same skill as established in the comics, and we know that she is a hybrid descendant by being a Kenway
I thought the eagle thing with his daughter was just a way to let connor find her? huh.
besides. regardless. the eagle thing they did in origins feels more, idk. archaic than just having spideysense
YOFATLAZYMAMA dude all humans have the ability to access the sixth sense (eagle vision). The Isu created us in AC lore but did so in a way that hid us from accessing it on our own without some sort of guidance. So the eagle isn’t so much about eagle vision but more about the power eagles have from their aerial advantage, sure it’s implied that the eagles represents eagle vision but have you ever noticed why eagles are always at view points? It’s because senu was the first eagle to take advantage of her position and now it’s seen as a position of strength through out the games
Before Odyssey it was as if every time an assassin did a leap of faith, they were fulfilling Bayek’s dream of teaching his son, by having faith in him and his teachings and doing the jump Khemu could not. It’s a perfect symbol of Bayek transitioning from father of a son to father of the creed. Odyssey ruined that.
Quinn Schein god fucking dammit. I hate the rpg style of origins, so I never played the full story after I killed the first 5 ancients. Now I have to go play the full game so this damn comment doesn’t eat me alive from the inside for the rest of my gaming life. I love you for this comment bro, but fuck me I hate you for making me want to play an rpg AC 😂
UPDATE (3.5 days later) I just finished the entire main story, hidden ones dlc, and curse of the pharaohs dlc, and I have a new appreciation for the game. The story is perfect, and odyssey fucking shits all over the lore and backstory set up in this game. Fuck Odyssey, and fuck Ubisoft Quebec.
How does Odyssey ruin it?
Ty Young because now with odyssey, the leap of faith already existed before the birth of the assassin brotherhood, so the entire emotional and familial backstory of the leap of faith with Bayek and Khemu is pretty much thrown in the fucking garbage
@@anonymous1k256 this is what bothers you? Lmao
AkiraVrz Oh and the script for odyssey is awful, as well as the premise of having either alexios or kassandra to play as when only one of those characters is fucking canon. Any other questions, dipshit?
Everything changed when Patrice Désilets left the project. I hope that he come back for just one more game and save the franchise like when Cory Barlog did with God of War.
He ruined the franchise. It isn't even God of War anymore. Just a Last of Us ripoff.
@@ChefofWar33 i get what you mean. I felt the same when i first saw the gameplay. But it was good. I think he gave it a good shake up.
Bryce Peters People change
samoan chaos684 play his Ancestors: The Humankind Odyssey game. I think the Animus went a little far back there xD
@@ChefofWar33 Nah, GoW is cool. I am a fan of the old games too (played all of them, except Ascension), but I enjoy the new GoW. Kratos is still Kratos, the story is interesting and the gameplay is cool. The only thing m, thats a bit odd is, that Kratos, a greek god struggles to fight draugr, cause they have a high level.
Layla's machine uses frog DNA to fill in the gaps
The Creed, uh, finds a way.
looks like the Jurassic Park plot
Is that why the Animus has been so gay?
LOL
Didn't she also make her own version of the animus
I stopped caring about present day the moment Desmond died. I just play AC for fun and it's historical things. I usually skip everything happening in present day and when I get forced out of animus I jump right back to it. They screwed up the present day big time and there's no going back.
Honestly yeah. I've skipped out on alot of AC titles since 3, I played black flag, and syndicate. They didn't use the shroud to repair and revive the main character so technically the series died at AC3.
Hakan D. Me as well
AC4 present was still kinda interesting since you could find some hidden details and stuff about Desmond and the ancient civilisation.
Exactly what I love about newer AC games as well. I never was a huge fan of the modern day stuff, I played it for the historical things and beautiful exploration. I'm not too picky about Desmond vs Layla. I couldnt care less about them lol
Never cared about the present shit always just wanted to go back to the actual interesting setting and story that I’m playing the game for
This whole thing is less complicated than you're making it. The way you play the game shapes the story as a whole, it's not the canon. The choices you make are not made through the Animus, it's not Lyla the one who chooses, they're the choices Kassandra/Alexios made at the time. Also the DNA memory gets corrupted because it's passed down through generations, but in this case it's Kassandra/Alexios's own DNA. On the spear there's both of their DNA, Lyla choses which one to analyze and by doing that, you as the player, decide which of the siblings lived the main adventure.
Exactly!!
And thats what makes her machine different. You dont have to be of their bloodline, just have access to their direct DNA and it is opened to you. This could develop even greater more dangerous storylines as imagine what the Templar order could do with that kinda tech...
That's stupid lol.
@@ZurielWraithblades i thought they already could do that. With the initiate.
@@moonacre6593 initiate is stored memories from the actually descendents. Not the DNA of an ancestor
The last two games haven’t felt like Assassin’s Creed at all. They’ve been fun games and I enjoyed them, but the core mechanics of stealth and crowd environments are gone.
I always hated the steath crap
@@dannylavoie5253 So why were you playing a steath game?
@@dannylavoie5253 you hated stealth in an assassin game.
Remember when Assasins Creed was about being a Silent Assasin
I remember playing Ezio as a giant axe wielder hacking down 100 enemies.
You can be silent in the new games.
The one thing I have never been in AC is silent.
@@therealivydawg no, not normally or in any situation... stealth kills are achievable after skill and gear grinding and on targets that are around your level... so mmo style AC is bad for stealth play/stealthy kill streaks
@@NMG.11 I've been able to stealth my way through the new games just fine. Yeah, it was harder earlier in Odyssey, but so was combat and archery. Yeah, it's harder to kill people stealthily if you're not set up right, but you don't really have to kill anyone either. You can just slip out undetected.
Let's be real, Ubisoft just doesn't care enough about the lore to go back to previous games to analyze how it works. They're just lazy and want to shit out a new game with AC on the title just to sell more copies. And the sad thing about the last part is that it still works.
Baroque Chevalier Noir well this may cause totally the opposite I believe this will sell even less than syndicate.
Nelson 2496 i don't know, there are still tons of die-hard AC fans out there. Syndicate sold less because of Unity. Origins might help boost the game's sales.
Baroque Chevalier Noir knowing they are the unity developers might have people to doubt about it and those so-called fans are only people who enjoy the landscapes and stuff not the actual lore so they are not fans of AC whatsoever.
Nelson 2496 I thought this was the syndicate developers
Nelson 2496 i think the guys making it are the Syndicate team. But yeah sadly there are a lot of fans who go "woow so good" when they look at Odyssey, they don't care about the lore or the story, they're like the new COD fanbase.
20:00 But when Ezio, Connor, Edward, Arno or any other character performs a leap of faith when they're not yet an assassin, what happens? They didn't learn it unlike Eivor in Valhalla, where we can't make a leap of faith until Hytham teach us to how to do it. I think that that's just a mistake from the entire franchise, not only from Odyssey.
Ezio was thought by his brother or his father how to be an assassin but didn’t outright tell Ezio until the time comes, remember Ezio father was an assassin before The second game taken place and during the early half before his death
It's likely Ezio was taught by his father, since it's a required move to progress the game after the church race with Federico. Connor is never forced by the game to use the leap of faith before he learned it from Achilles, and the only thing close is when he fell off an eagle's nest into some brush. I've got no explanation for Edward being able to use it other than him being experienced in diving and replicating the leap of faith with similar form after seeing Duncan Walpole execute it. Arno is also not forced to use it until the Bastille escape. Odyssey has several scripted leaps in cutscenes and otherwise by Kassandra and Darius (how did Darius learn it? Beats me), and my loose headcanon is that Darius taught it to Elpidios, who established it among his Medjay descendants.
Nah, you're completely right. Edward the pirate knew all of the assassin moves (leap of faith, hidden blades, etc .) because it was convenient for the gameplay.
To be a tiny be fair Edward had just seen Duncun do the skills in the opening so he copied him@@Pingwinho
The Animus actually does fill in gaps, based on the ancestor's memory.
Why are there so few different buildings? Well Ezio and other ancestors aren't architects. They just climb them, they remember climbing them, they don't remember when, but they do.
If you climb a building in your playthrough and I don't, that doesn't mean it's immersion breaking for the sake of enjoyable gameplay. It just means Ezio doesn't remember if he climbed a building or not, just that it was plausible he did just as it's plausible he didn't.
That's how full syncs in missions work. If Ezio remembers he conducted a memorable part of his journey without getting spotted by guards, then the full sync requirement is that you don't get detected. Why doesn't Desmond get thrown out of the Animus for getting in a fight when Ezio didn't? Because Ezio remembers that he fought people before, and the Animus is just filling in that blank. "Oh, you got into trouble? I don't have data for what to do here, the DNA for the fight must be here somewhere."
It's pretty consistent logic that the Animus would fill in blanks with generic memories, such as NPCs saying the same dialogue over and over again because Ezio/Altair/whatever didn't remember much else and the Animus is just filling in blanks of generic memory to not interrupt flow. When Ezio climbed a building, he must have remembered one time an NPC said "Another capering crusader." Maybe he found that comment funny and that's why he remembered it happened, but not when it happened. So now when Desmond climbs a building, Ezio's DNA will remember an NPC comment and pick one from the generic memory bag.
And we know we're experiencing what the ancestor remembers, not what actually happens, because of Ezio's Caterina missions in Brotherhood.
The Animus has always filled in generic gaps. Things ancestors remember doing but not anything like full on dialogue or areas they never went to. You don't even have to resort to "It's a game so gameplay will be slightly different for each player."
Nah. The majority of the game when you're running around not in a mission, it's just generic memory you're playing, not active memory. So yeah, Desmond _is_ exploring. Desmond is doing what he wants. But it's all bound by the very rules of what Altair/Ezio/Connor remember doing. If they remember running down a street, then congrats, now Desmond in the Animus can run down a street, which street? Dunno, the ancestor doesn't remember any specifics like that, so the Animus just fills in the same data for every street.
I agree with what you say, but the fact is that for example the dialogue options don’t follow that always. For example, the priests on kephallonia. Alexios/kassandra have the option to kill or not kill the priests, and if they do, a massive plague wipes out an entire island. I feel like that isn’t something that could be filled in by the animus
That's my point.
The Animus doesn't fill in things that didn't happen, only things that may or may not have happened, like the ancestor initiating a fight.
It can't create new events to fill in gaps. It can't create words that the ancestor never heard.
Prior to the RPG swing the last two games have been, this was only broken once, and it was in Syndicate. In the DLC mission where Jacob gets drunk with another guy, and the full sync requirement is to guess the culprit who spilled the beer on the first try. Since full sync is canon, that means Jacob did not hear the result of a false accusation, which means when you falsely accuse the other two parties, they shouldn't be able to say anything other than generic dialogue, but they do have unique lines.
I also think the same Thing,
Since Animus Reliving and Simulating the Memories
And since Memory in Real Life,
Your brain or DNA only store the Memory of Important info or events
Such as, The Building Exploded - Stored
But how were People watching and Running cause the Explosion - this isn't stored in Our Brain since we can't Exactly remember and imaging it in our Brains
And as you said, this is where Animus plays it Parts
Cause if the Animus doesnt do this, you'll only be seeing a Blank void world in Animus with only Little visual cause there's no Exact memory and Visual how it was back then
But for story Choices in Odyssey, it affects not Only small and unimportant, but Affect the Whole story, even the Ending,
It's impossible for the protagonist doesn'r remember how the Story Unfold since they are Important events of their lives
Did you make a 24 minute video just to ask "Why/How is Leila's animus different?"
He lovea to hear himself talk..?
So like, if Layla’s Animus fills in the gaps. Wouldn’t that make the experience potentially false? And if so what’s the point? For all anyone knows what Layla sees is totally wrong.
Nothing is true.
Everything is permitted. These are our tenets. This is...Ubisofts Creed.
This is a very validated criticism but the animus might know were the charcter is supposed to go just not the way
bring back desmond miles sorry to say but i kinda hate layla....
Hunter One way of treating this is to seek convergence between different memories.
Let us begin by assuming that the animus takes what ever is decoded from the gene (when ever possible), and then randomly simulates the timeline with which Layla plays through. It does this many times (hence the different endings) and checks for convergence between the different experiences.
We know that the result is probably inaccurate in chronological order, but it really does help if we pin down a more shorter period in which it occurred rather then simply knowing that the MC did it during their lifetime.
Let me propose a conjecture based on the assumption. If Layla’s animus was so novel that it functioned with simulations, why would it not be possible for the animus to directly turn Layla into an invincible being? After all, the system is under Layla’s control and is obviously able to interfere with the memory?
One explanation is that Layla needed the grind to ensure her results were so distinctly different from what was decided, and hence becoming worthless as a tool to seek convergence between different simulations.
Why is the scaling not allowed to turn off? Perhaps for the same reason.
The idea is like inequalities in maths; it is generally better to be able to find the greatest lower bound and the lowest higher bound. Who knows, perhaps we might even to deduce an equality? (Eg. X>=A, X X=A)
Hatham can't climb a tree but Connor can and that makes sense
When playing in AC 3 and haytham approaches a tree the animus blocks him off because haytham didn't have that certain skill.
But AC 4 Edward can perform a leap of faith and Ubisoft says it's an animus glitch
How can it be an animus glitch when the merchant Edward traveled with to Havana acknowledges it.
Answer either the animus made that up and turned itself into a simulation because it was getting tired of people not acknowledging it.
Or it's just a ubisoft thing to do weird stuff that makes no sense
AC4 is not viewed through the animus the same way AC 1-3 were. He stated several times that AC4 5 and 6 were all video games based off of memories gathered from certain assassins.
@@StarCrossedGaming yea maybe the finished product was but the Ubisoft employee wasn't playing the game he/she was collecting raw footage for a video game to be made out of
I feel like Edward would have some assasin skills since he would need a certain level of mobility to move around and plunder ships, parkour and leap of faith are definitely things he should be able to do, after all it is canon that many things assasins know are borrowed from other cultures or organizations such as Ezio learning how to blend and pickpocket from courtesans
i like to think edward self taught the leap of faith either by escaping from some law enforcement or from diving.
Actually Ah Tabai says that somehow Edward has a lot of natural Assassin skills, probably from his lineage as he is related to Ezio and Altair. He doesn't really go through formal assassin training in the game, but he can do some of what they can, like the leap of faith.
I remember the apple of Eden in the first few games basically just created illusions and fucked with peoples minds. If I remember correctly the pieces of Eden originally weren't that many and they often worked with eachother, or at least that's how it was explained. It was really cool how they were so mysterious and yet so sought after for their power, a power which turned out to be a sort of social commentary. Now it sounds like they just give you powers very generically.
Furthermore, I found the series' story as a whole far more interesting when it was heavily referencing Christianity and making the church to be an elaborate control tool created by the Templars. It allowed the "apple of Eden" to become as iconic and symbolic an item for the series as it was. I think the series should have had a planned out ending. Now it looks very soulless.
I lost interest in the series after Black Flag and haven't played another entry since.
gipro1 Altair found a map in his game that showed locations of a ton of pieces of eden so there was many pieces of eden origionally
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Didn't read too long but i get what u saying about the pieces of eden being to many
Origins was great. Other than that, everything since black flag was either eh or sh&t.
Most of the POEs before did definitely do only a few very specific things...which makes perfect sense for technological devices, the more specialized they are the better they logically are at the one thing they'e good at. The apple does mental interference (and injecting Calculations of the future into minds, which is still something I suppose), the shroud regenerates. We've had pieces that repel metal projectiles, or the sword that already has a relatively good chunk of functions that would be useful for combat (lightning blasts, instant movement...)
Then you have the Spear which apparently has every superpower under the sun for some reason, and all are pretty powerful at that.
in brotherhood, rebecca has a line where she tells desmond that he cant continue with ezios memories until he completes all of the tombs because ezio had already completed them at the time, so wouldn’t that mean that desmond IS puppeteering ezio?
I like how the UA-camr is picking which comments to like and respond to based on the ones that praise him and dont criticize him straight up on the content included in the video. Lame. Being wrong is okay, and yes, there’s a lot of wrong here. Especially the part about Layla, had to grind my teeth at that.
Yo Momma waaaaaay overrates. How are you going to make videos talking about Layla’s animus without first having read the modern documents in origins explaining it haha
That is from AC 2 and it could mean that Desmond is in a simulation, except for the fact that this dialog is 100% optional and will not appear if the player already has all the pages of the Code for that memory.
It is not the same as cinematics (which do occur regardless of what the player does and are canonical), that dialogue from Rebecca to Desmond is simply a way of the game to remind the player to get the missing pages, but lorewise Desmond already relived those memories where Ezio found the pages. In other words it's just a gameplay mechanic.
@@riddlerwillison3336 proof
@@XxEpICxNaTExX I need no proof, you can see in the game itself, it's a dialogue cutscene that only happens if you didn't get all the Codex pages
Remember when we had a decent modern day main character
Remember when we had a rememberable modern day main character
Desmond miles is better then layla
emo trash love the game hate fucking layla
emo trash oh yeah pisspot and numbskull
Bayek
The gender choosing part gives the option isn't filling in for lost data, at the beginning it says that there are 2 dna strands on the spear, the game basically just give the option to choose and whichever one you do happens to be the hero
That's so f*cking stupid.
the way i saw it was that the memory is freely able to be accessed in any angle but you can't go outside of it hence why some areas are locked off as those areas were never experienced by the character, the 100% sync in ac2 just means that ezio originally was doing the things that cause 100% sync which is why some 100% sync things were not just hard but also oddly specific, so if you fail to do them you don't play the memory as originally experienced by ezio you just play it in a limited way, cutscenes are where you lose control over the character but outside of cutscenes is a simulation of the memory so you can do whatever you want run and kill whoever even though your character never originally ran that way or killed those people, a fake simulation meaning all the people you experience are just made up it is only story specific events that are the set in stone memories while the freeroaming is a place you can run and move however you like inside the world based off the memory until you start an event and the actual genuine memory begins.
Nah dude, thats just the open world system, free roam its still part of the memory.
You're right. Because I wondered "If i kill a random civilian.... Does that mean it was actually supposed to happen?"
23:37 - Because you were mentioning the Unity-Bugs again: Was I really the only one who didnt experience any bugs in the game? O.o
Marquis I didn’t either
have u played at day 1 release
a k no, thankfully
a k I did, had no issues with the game at all
Marquis I just got the day recently and experience many bugs where Arno got stuck in the map and even when I was playing the final mission Arno would constantly move his mouth like he was talking but was saying nothing
Leap of faith isn't some special symbol at all. Edward performed it in the piriod when he just a sailor and only care about money. The leap of faith is only a move which brave people can do, Bayek teach his son to do so is because he want his son to be brave, and nothing more.
still kenway was after bayak, but the reason its bad is bc its tacky like they just use it as a commercial tool now for ppl that dont rlly care bout story bc that makes money bc thee r more of them, why do u think a shitty game like fortnite is famous, bc of brain dead ppl
Then why Bayek required Shaqilat to jump in order to join the Hidden Ones?
I think one needs to be brave enough to live a daily killing life, Bayek told people to jump to confirm their decision. Also, the jump is actually a very practical action, more and more templars acquire this skill later on.
OK, ok, I was wrong about "isn't some special symbol at all", Bayek did say "reborn" after Shaqilat's jump, but I think it is just Bayek's own thinking that the jump is special. People can totally master the jump without being an assassin right?
@@cavorkehl6777 I mean they can but when I saw Edward about it, it never made sense. How he learned their techniques way before he encountered the Assassins.
Pretty sure you see Adam and Eve doing the leap of faith too....
"do its own thing and explain it off with the most surfaced-level bullshit"
Spot on.
this entire video, essentially, seems to hinge on your definition on simulation being different than a 'rendering'.
The "Kassandra is canon and lesbian, therefore didn't have a child and can't be Desmond's ancestor" is irrelevant because they used the DNA found on the spear, not Desmond's.
Had1t1x That’s incorrect she had a child with Darius of Persia. She’s not actually a lesbian
In Ancient Greece though homosexuality was norm and even if you were not gay or lesbian, you would have still went about those acts. It was also thought by the Greeks that having sex with each other gave you a deeper connection so even if she were with a woman at one point she would have still been with a man to conceive a child.
@@notsogaming3031 it was not the norm please. It was usual to have sex with underage people of the same sex, we are talking about 14 years old teens. Homosexuality, as in "two consenting adults wanting to be in a long term relationship and building their future together", the modern notion of homosexuality, was not common ! Mariage was pretty much mandatory for everyone, that was the norm already.
I made my Kassandra a bit bisexual.
PackHunter117 she did not have a child with Darius 😂. She had a child with his son.
I don't know what all the fuss is about. Have people forgotten that the precursors, the people who created the ancient artifacts found in game, are/were GREEK so-called "gods"? The assassin's are an idea, not an organisation. The creed might not exist at that point, but is it so unrealistic that there might be SOME ancient Greeks who would try to discover, understand, and protect what was left behind by the deities they worship? The lack of intelligence or willingness to think outside the box by many UA-camrs is astonishing, and I'm not even a fan of the franchise anymore so I'm half inclined to agree. But when I see people claim that it "fundamentally breaks the lore", without connecting the dots, I have to draw the line. If the game was in south America 500BC, then I'd say yes, there's an issue with how the story connects, but it isn't out of the realm of possibility that you COULD find evidence of precursor activity, as we find ruins in the Caribbean during black flag. He wasn't an assassin, but it shows that you don't NEED to be one, nor associated with them in any way to interact with the overall plot.
Take your finger out of your ass, stop talking bullshit trying to sound intelligent, and stop judging something before you have any idea how the story will play out.
RAsplez 98 love you bro🙏🏼🔥
100%!!!
Well said mate
I heard that Ubisoft is releasing a book featuring Kassandra, and that has the TRUE story, canon wise, of AC Odyssey.
Amen brother
I always thought that Layla's animus just let her view memories from DNA that isn't her own. Why couldn't they just leave it at that?
Thank you someone else that making sense.. But her animus is making shit up.. The real animus lets you see memories -a set event- which origins nails it.. Odyssey in that animus is making shit up.. How can it not tell whom memory you are living.. Freedom of choice fuck the lore up..
My play though was 100% wrong.. Alexiso and everyone lives happy ending..
Wait what about syndicate? How on earth could they swap between siblings? Unless... the siblings had a child...?
That's weird..
because through the siblings mother/father you can view both of their memories. Remember when desmond began experiencing Altair’s child’s memories in the womb?
No, that happened because Altair's firstborn is Desmond's ancestor, which means that, from that point onward, Desmond could no longer access Altair in the animus. They managed to go around this problem with Ezio by making him have his first child only in old age. @@strange9922
I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again. Assassins Creed Odyssey would be better without the Assassins Creed name.
it should have been a DLC, that would have made more sense. Hell the game's obviously a reskin with more color anyway lol.
THIZZAVELI Lol then by that logic AC Brotherhood is just a DLC of AC2.
I Am Jacking it kinda is
Finnian Lavellan
falcon vision......... .. ..?
THIZZAVELI These two characters are not reskins of Bayek they literally look nothing alike, their character models actually look better than him. That's one the dumbest shit I've read as an argument. And your fucking stupid as well because what does Odyssey do it adds a brand new location, new mechanic, new devices, dialogue options, ability to play as male or female, romance options, customization and gear choices besides just a color swapped outfit, improved combat with abilities and skills, the story changes based on your choices, and multiple endings which will give this game far more replay value than the other ones. Odyssey improved and adds on Origins more than Brotherhood and Revelations ever did. Also you idiot why would an eagle not be in Greece. The eagle is not only the symbol of the assassins its the symbol the Zeus. Eagle vision was not created by the Assassins it existed way before them. Alexios and Kassandra have a high level of First Civ DNA which is why they can wield the Spear of Leonidas in the first place and have eagle vision.
Nice try AC fanboy learn to stop sucking on Ezios dick so much. The only retarded person here is you.
The story of assassins creed has been dead since the end of AC3 from the moment that Desmond died I knew the story of the game would be dead
after AC3 they should have got rid of modern day.
Origins and black flag... nuff said
Joyful Gamer so true Ubisoft stopped using actuall characters until ac origins they killed the modern quest line like ok in ac 3 you could choose get out of the animus and do puzzles and go out into the world as in ac Black flag and rogue no real freedom there sure u can get out and hack some computers but there is no "assassin's Creed" vibe
lol bayek was the boriest character of all
Ñîggā Ü Gæŷ I loved Desmond he was the main plot point to this franchise til the end of 3
are we forgetting that the events of origins and odysee take place before the brother hood was formed. so therefore all the rules are non existent this is the stuff that is leading up to the events of ac 1. origins and odysee are more stories based on the isu then anything.
@@huskytzu7709 I suppose I could see your point there but I feel like the story still tries to tie in the isu with the cult and showing how the blood line lines up.
Origins actually explains how the Assassin's creed was formed..... But odessey takes place BEFORE the origins which makes no sense therefore odessey has nothing to do with assassin's creed
Josh Ambrose what no origins is the story of how the brotherhood was created if anything origins had almost nothing to do with the Isu
@@dales787 origins showed the assassin's origins. Oddessey showed the templar origins, through the cult, which later folded into the order of the ancients. It also explained the hidden blade.
Ubisoft took a Todd Howard approach to Layla's animus - "It just works"
2016: “AC is just a carbon copy of all the other games”
2018: “Odyssey differs from the rest of the series so it’s not cannon #notmyAC”
Hahahaha this is perfect
Not everyone had that thought just journalists Nd casuals
PrinceRPG... the game reviewed obscenely well across the major games media outlets, though. That’s not exactly journos bashing the game.
@@razorback61 Critic Disonance.
its honestly not a bad game, now as an assassins creed game tho...
you know what this means?
H E L L O I N I T I A T E
I feel like they could claim that the animus fills in degraded memories with historical accounts of the characters, which is why there are differences because history is so often told differently by the various people who tell it, I'm not defending the degradation of established lore, but I feel like that could work and explain why the RPG choices exist.
Your ultimate thesis , that the lore is being abused to suit gameplay decisions, I completely agree with. In fact, I've been saying the same thing since the end of ACIII.
With your other arguments, you make some good points, though you also. Make a few too. Many assume ruins for my liking. On the whole though, I agree, it's not a simulation.
19:58 "WeLl, i'M sUrE sOmEoNe HaS jUmPeD fRoM a HiGh PlAcE bEfOrE" LMAO
Hey, new to the channel, thought the video had some really strong points and it honestly has always come down to the yearly releases because Ubisoft really need to pull their heads out of their asses and sit down and give a shit about this franchise. I dont know what everyone else's opinion is but i personally loved origins for those little nods to the assassins such as the leap of faith as you pointed out in your video. but all in all I feel like it all comes down to the problem of yearly releases.
This is one of the best comments i've had on this video in a while haha, thanks bro, couldn't agree more
I've just stumbled on this video in my recommended and I'm mostly agreed with the things you've said. I've spent about 300 hours in the game and I have conflicting feelings about it.
Now I'll try to speculate on some things, but I in no means trying to justify the game.
1) Memory and simulation. It is a fact that at the beginning of the series animus was only capable of decoding and showing genetic memories in virtual reality and it required a living owner of that genes. But it was in 2012 (ingame timeline) and they had if not greatly but still superior technology to what we had in 2012 maybe even compared to nowadays. And we for some time now have neural networks that are capable of filling gaps in texts, images even videos. So it would be possible to achieve results in that field to 2018 considering the fact that Abstergo researched Isu tech for years. As we see in the game that the living owner of genes is no longer needed we could speculate that DNA memory is not "streaming" raw data, but was processed beforehand and simulation was created. It is all possible but neither of it was explained or even mentioned.
2)Gender and choices. This is my least favoured thing in Odyssey, idk why they did it and who thought it was a smart idea in AC story/canon. Gender wise they tried to come with the reason that the blood sample was taken from the spear (which was found under the rocks and by the time it was blood would decompose, vaporise and some other thing but nvm) and both Alexios and Kasandras blood was presented on that spear (which is never explained when and how did it happen and how/when did she lost/buried seemingly in the same place Leonidas lost it). So I can see their blood having quite the same structure and beeing mixed it could confuse the Animus, so Leila, seeing it and understanding the problem of fixing it properly in time, could've just said: "Fuck it, render main character as this model and simulate the voice". As for the choices I don't have a problem with secondary choices if we look at it as the simulation from before with filled stuff in fucked up memories using working memories and knowledge of ancient Greece we have. But the main choices are kinda dumb because in order to create a simulation Animus would've needed some core elements to be present, BUT even if didn't it all would be fine if it was explained how both of their blood would be on the spear.
3)Spear and its powers. Spear in the game is a joke. The only thing explained was the power of combat assistance but only in a way of boosting users own abilities and perception. Everything you can justify by it is fine. Boosting the strength of attacks for a limited time - fine, boosting the speed of both attacks and movement - fine, assist to perform complicated moves and precision attacks - fine, and so on, BUT other things are stupid. Jumping from any height without any damage - stupid, teleportation after spear throw - stupid, corpses dissolving - stupid and there is more. So the spear in the game is mostly stupid and made into magical all problems solving thing, which in fact should be just glorified google assistance. Going ahead of myself - the possibility of doing a leap of faith would be rooted in this assistance. But we never saw MC without the spear, maybe there would be a huge difference.
4)Translation. The first game was in 2012 and translations were given to characters and us, players by someone like Lucy in 1st game and Shaun in latter games in the Animus menu outside of memory itself. But the tech was progressing and like now we have a way to translate an image on the go in real-time using smartphones I don't see a problem in modern upgraded Animus translating writings in real-time.
5)Eagle. I can see eagles being used to scout the area and eagle point of view shown only to Animus user and the player but not MC. What I can't see is the eagles hovering like a drone and seeing targets and things through walls and earth matter latter to be shown to the character to see through said walls with a real-time update on their location. Maybe it was only shown to user and player, but eagles should've been explained and how assassins obtained the ability, latter known as eagle vision.
Sorry for this block of works if someone actually went through it.
I think they try to make the "choose the gender" to increase the amount of player since some like male and some like female Assasin. But this isn't even an Assasin game. Could have rename the game.
for me it wasnt the spear that gave the spartan the weird abilities it was the fact(asuming you've beaten the game) he was part isu/god that gave him these abilities., i mean look at other known heroes of the time such as Hercules and Perseus(to name a couple) and from what we know were also 'godlings'
@@Guardian582 Except the isu aren't gods. They're just "better" humans, engineering present day humanity as a fundamentally crippled slave race lacking in the sixth sense. Maybe their bodies are stronger and sturdier, we may never know (they probably are), but they aren't gonna have magic superpowers that let you turn invisible or shoot arrows through solid walls, that is just pure bullshit. And it wouldn't make sense for the spear to do most of these things either...who even practices archery in a serious military circumstance at that level of tech? They literally have weapons that shoot lightning beams. And half the things the spear does don't even manifest themselves out of the spear itself; the pointy thing essentially just gives the wielder physics-breaking superpowers instead of just physically or neurally augmenting them, or having functionality as a weapon.
Just drop the assassin's Creed name and just make games for different time periods
Exactly.
I agree
*How is it an "Assassin's Creed" game if it takes place before the assassins and their creed???*
Mike, from Texas SHUUTT THEEE FUCKKK UPPP,WAIT TILL THE GAME LAUNCHES.
That's because sonic games and naruto games are historically shit games
TheOne Shinobi what the fuck is this nonsense,what yhe fuck is this comment.have you read it twice?
Mike, from Texas bc the lore isnt about assassins but the 1. civilization and pie es of eden... fucking pleb
Why does everyone in this comment thread not know proper English? And I'm mainly Italian and Polish! I feel so ashamed for the Americans out there right now.
I gotta say I agree with almost all you said but I think it makes sense the animus has the potential to create a simulation from the DNA it is coded, of course not using this as an excuse to make choices from "Corrupted DNA" but... At least for me, the simulation thing is something I always believed, for example, just think in the multiplayer, all of that is canon and it was treated as a simulation from someone DNA to train abstergo soldiers, later as a toy in AC3 and BF lol but, anyway, it made sense for me.
As I said, I agree with almost you said in the video except for that part. And of course, I'm not satisfied with those excuses for Odyssey, they never explain property and I'm so done with that.
Great video and analysis as always bro!
Got to say I agree with you man. It would make sense that Layla combined the technology from the Helix game system with an existing animus in some form or fashion to give a base animus the ability to fill in gaps in DNA from a library of existing tools collected from experiences with the assassins memories. Just my opinion I do have a lot of issues though with the whole Choice system and the Reliance on the pieces of Eden and the Animus is a deus ex machina, as he stated.
All I gotta say is if the animus could do that than most programmers will be out of the job T_T. Then again... it's a lore friendly excuse to explain away the bugs
Crashmarco problem being it never did before and just kinda meaningless to do as they want the memories of the past weird to impedem themselves with a grind or decisions
that first few lines on AC not being ac anymore, just a franchise seeking trends and pushing an RPG because of it, hit. It hit hard man...
Just got back into the series, I appreciate your vids.
I think the whole problem was created because Ubisoft wanted to stick to a modern day story. After AC3 the modern day story has been a joke, it would be better to drop the anomus all together and just have a game in ancient times, that would eliminate all these problems. To me this is an RPG in Ancient greece, the modern day story in Origins was extremely boring and out of place
TechYK 100% agree
Screw the Animus.
We need modern day.shut up
Mrityunjoy Paul but the modern day stuff is always the most boring pointless bits...my heart sank everytime AC4 dragged me away from swashbuckling my way through the carribean to help some IT guy hack into his bosses computer.
Because thats what you want in a pirate game...computer hacking, collecting post-its and travelling on elevators!
@ Mrityunjoy Really what do we need the modern day shit for? Just to see a nobody who we'll only see in one game jump into the animus? Screw the animus. I hate the jumping through time and the "if stray away from the path of your ancestor, you'll get desynchronize." Enough already. Once Desmond died, the modern day shit died too.
And as far as Layla’s animus..if you go and actually READ the information on her computer they LITERALLY tell you how she did it. Smh 🤦🏾♂️
Ain’t no body got time for that
Not only that, but the Templars and Assassins and others have been working on new models of Animi that fix or work around the limitations. Newer models make simulation via secondary factors like historical records and even others collected memories set during the time and place of the main memory.
@@SwiftGundam its been a while but i think they filled in the blanks using herodotus stuff
@@frabe81118 Problem being that many historians consider the works of Herodotus to be Fiction (obviously different historians that believe this believe it to different extents), so I wouldn't be a reliable source of information to form a real to life simulation.
@@Mev-ni2mi I'm only talking in terms of filling the plot hole in this fictional game of how the animus filled in the blanks, in terms of this fictional setting Herodotus was with the main character throughout their entire journey so his writings would accurately reflect what happened at the time.
I know the video is a bit old now and don't if anyone is going to answer me, but I've just replayed AC II and I must ask: if the Animus is just the visualization of one's ancestors memory and not a simulation, then how does Desmond actively seek the Glyphs planted by Subject 16? And I say "seek" because the guys outside the Animus say that Desmond has to "keep an eye out for them", which implies that he is actively searching for them inside the Animus.
PS: not trying to "refute" anyone, just really trying to understand how does that fit in the lore
Old AC games: Eagle vision
Recent: haha Pidgeon goes zoom!
The Second largest salt deposit in the world is the Khewra Salt mines of Pakistan
The first is the UA-cam 'complaining about videogames' section
inst this a channel about video games tho?
rui figueiredo Wow, went over your head.
@@kingpickle3712 no it didn't go over my head I just thought it was a stupid joke
People do the same thing about all products. Especially in America. Welcome to consumerism.
Oh fuck off. They are doing these videos because they care and arent shitbirds that dont give a fuck like you.
Incredible video dude. Its a real shame the franchise has gone down this route of just spewing out games to keep up with industry trends, without any communication between studios and no clear evolution of narrative - especially as the franchise was founded on one of the most intriguing concepts, with so much great lore.
SteelPlatinum Aye
Don't forget how they just slipped in minotaurs, cyclopes, Mecha-Anubis, etc.
I can't wait to see how they explain the Kraken, or Nidhogger, or the Jotunn in ACV.
ngl whether or not if ubisoft continues down the path of "assassins creed" i loved oddysey so much i'd play another "assassins creed" game because of the history aspect (even though it's not 100% accurate it's very fun)
U should play AC and AC 2
dark_ knight maybe not AC1 but definitely AC2
New technology is a thing in our world so in my opinion its not such a huge leap to think that this is some better version of animus and the eagle is literaly one of the most important animals in greek mythology so its not weird to me at all also every game has introduced a new piece of eden and now all of a sudden its weird or a story device even though it brings new kind of gameplay to the franchise, personally I wont judge the game before I have played it
the eagle didn't exist in greece at this time period
Yeaaa went to the Discord. Saw someone being told by a mod that the Discord isn't for AC discussions.
They were literally on the AC-Discussions page -_-
I jumped outta that toxic mess. No offense
Remember when the Assassins were actually Assassins?
The being able to make decisions thing could have been easily explained by the new animus allowing its user to also expirince the thought-process of the observed historical figure; you may think you are deciding to fight or bribe a guard for example, but in reality when you are presented with those two options, you are just seeing your character asking him/herself the same question of "should i bribe the guard or should i fight him". The animus user may percive the decisions as his own but its just as much an ilusion as are the things he hears or sees
Yeah I remember when I played in 1191 A.D I was an assassin, killed Templars who looked like Templars....
Newer fans and older fans see things much differently - this was my favorite franchise growing up. I was absolutely sucked in by the sheer mystery, and raw manipulation of history that Ubisoft... well, sadly HAD. Origins saved the franchise for me, revitalized my love for the games - it gave me great hope. Ubisoft tore us down for a few years after Black Flag, then raised us back up with Origins, only now to tear us back down again. Watching Odyssey gameplay has actually appalled me, like what the living f***? Who is in charge? Who is so out of touch, that, they thought this next game appropriate... in any manner. I will not purchase this game, Ubisoft can consider me a protest... lol. Love the video, and love the channel. Been around since 10-20k & I'll be around for 100-200k! Much love!
Charles Peters i cant even believe they had the fucking guts to kill juno in a fucking comic like wtf assassins creed is a game series and ubi killed the main antagonist of the series in a fucking comic
Harshit Lath SHE'S DEAD!!!!... WTF .... where is it said?
What about after 100-200k..? 🤔
al3j4ndro11 lol, forever.
I doubt they care about you buying it. There's ton of new fans excited for this.
Wow, this is the first time I've encountered anyone else aware of the lore tidbit from the manual of the first game about Desmond's puppeteer controls.
That was a well structured video.
Great explanation. :)
I assumed the mods Layla added to her animus were from the entertainment animus that built the world from other memories to piece together more fragmented memories.
Mcguffins are meant to explain things that go outside of lore, but when they get used too often, they become absolutely ridiculous and invalid. In Ubisoft games they apply too much explanation to the mcguffins to begin with and undermine their ability to bend the lore.
Fizhy well said
wat is Fizhy doing here?????
Dude u need to read your lore more cause u obviously missed a lot😂😂
That’s not what a McGuffin is
In fiction, a MacGuffin (sometimes McGuffin or maguffin) is a plot device in the form of some goal, desired object, or another motivator that the protagonist pursues, often with little or no narrative explanation.
The way I viewed synchronization is that the animus wasn't 100% accurate but when you completed a mission without doing side objectives, it is close enough to where it doesn't desynchronize you and the higher the synchronization the more accurate the animus is
It makes perfect sense. Layla's animus was an update to what she used when she worked for abstergo. In AC Origins she's on the run. The animus in Odyssey is an update to the one in Origins. It also explained that knowledge would not be understood by everyone, only for the chosen.
Having now actually played the game, your whole argument hinging on being able to pick between two characters is simply wrong. Categorically and unequivocally wrong.
Canonically in game:
You are told to pick between two strands of DNA to follow as two different strands are found on the spear of Leonidas: Alexios or Kassandra. (The rest of this is spoilers for the big reveal and the end of the second plot point)
No matter which one you pick, *BOTH of them are characters in game* they both go on to live their lives and have major impact on the plot. And no I’m not talking about the one you don’t pick being a baby sibling that is thrown off the cliff, that does happen but that baby grows up to become the direct antagonist of whoever you picked.
So canonically: there are literally TWO different memories the animus could follow. The ones of the hero you pick, or the villain you didn’t pick. The animus isn’t “trying to decode corrupted data”.
Furthermore, your ability to pick which sibling becomes the hero and which becomes the villain, and chose dialogue choices, *IS NOT CANON* these are presented purely as game mechanics, whatever ending you get, and what ever choices you make BECOME the unalterable memories you were ranting about.
Maybe you should have waited till the game came out to publish your 30 minute long list of assumptions after all
You're correct, however they explained it entirely differently pre release leading me to believe, this video and others like it allowed them to change the context of the character choice to have it make more sense. That's something I'm atleast happy with assuming that is the case and they didnt just decide to explain it wrong over and over again by mistake which would just make them incompetent
Except after having played the game, that still doesn't work.
There are two strands of DNA, yes, BUT Alexios and Kassandra are not only different genders, but also different ages, and different fundamentally DIFFERENT PEOPLE. There is not only about a 10 year age difference between the two characters. So they aren't twins. Their DNA is so drastically different that they could never be confused. Not only that, BUT the lived DRASTICALLY different lives. The "Hero", or Kassandra as she is the canon character, and "Deimos", or Alexios, grew up differently. Lived differently. DIED differently. And on top of that, we know from the ending that whomever you pick lives long enough to pass the staff onto Layla. Choosing Alexios should have put you down Deimos' path, NOT Kassandra's story.
That's not how it works.
Your argument is just as retarded as you claim his is. Stop behaving as if you know better when you don't. I just proved that. Fuck off.
Red Hoodie what part of “only for gameplay mechanics” don’t you understand? LMFAO
Now I would agree with you, IF maybe just maybe those seperate strands of DNA had seperate stories, if I pick alexios that story should not be identical to the game is I pick kassandra, this means that technically the animus is just putting people in the memory where it thinks they're supposed to be. Also kassandra breaks lore because she's a lesbian keep in mind they have called the main series games the ancestor line, these are supposed to be desmonds ancestors huge sprawling lines of genetic code that all culminate in Desmond. Well artificial insemination didn't exist in ancient Greece. She can't be anyone's ancestor and therefore she is lore breaking unless the animus found her DNA and just went "this woman is clearly who we're looking for" and placed her in the story where she is.
@@ralcogaming7674 wait what?
I've got a serious theory to explain how her animus is different and it explains why there are different dialogue options and branching story lines. It's very biological so bare with me.
Odyssey is set in the far past about 2000 years and so the memory would be difficult for the animus to depict or 'decode '.
Her particular animus may be able to fill gaps in the memory and see that there is 'missing' DNA, meaning DNA that codes for a particular period in the memory is not present in the given DNA sample. A second sample of the same or similar DNA from a close relative of the original subject could be used to find overlaps in the DNA and therefore fully reconstruct the memory DNA and therefore the memory.
This type of 'fitting' rule was actually used in the human genome project that was done over about 15 years, 2000 to 2015 I think. Obviously in real life its a bit more complicated but the point is that there are multiple different DNA stands that seemingly fit between different sections of DNA, a problem that researchers faced in real life. This could explain why there a multiple possible ending in the animus.
Not sure how well I explained the point but if you want some more information of how DNA is reconstructed to find the base sequence, research the human genome project.
king 304 but we cant change the past....thats the point of the animus to live through the memories of your ancestors.
The issue is very simple. What the Animus shows is historically (At least in the Ubisoft Universe) accurate. Being able to make choices that change history cannot be seen as being historically accurate. If however her Animus is creating a simulation and she is merely playing around in that historic period (Which is basically what Abstergo Entertainment is doing with the memories they receive) then everything is understandable, as it is merely a simulation and not actual historic events. But they are saying that these are actual historic events that change depending on your choices? Do you not see the problem here? Imagine Alexander the Great being killed 2 years earlier than he was historically. It would fundamentally change historic events as well as completely altering history. You can't add choice to something trying to be historically accurate.
There is only one way that ubisoft can explain all this: The Multi-Universe Theory. If there exist an infinite number of universes in Ubisofts universe, everything is fine. Each choice will change that timeline and that time line only so it doesn't matter from there. Though most likely we'll get "There's corruption in her animus that makes it create simulations" and such.
or consider this, any war happened between 2 countries which is a real historical event but described differently in the history books of those involved countries. i.e: France and England. in french books it's French being badass, in English books it's the opposite, and somehow 2 descendant of 2 random guys are seeing the events of the war through Animus. got the idea ? :)
Doesn't matter how far in the past it is there should be no problem what so ever.
In AC 2 we got to see memories from the first civ. 75 thousand years ago.
U know... I’m saying this more like the rarest chances of rarest chances but what if all goes to find out that Layla’s animus was actually showing up false memories since u did say they were corrupted. That u must’ve meant by another meaning but I like my thing where it turns out some of the memories turn out false.
Great video man, I agree with all your points. You got yourself a new subscriber. Did you hear about the new assassin's creed ragnarok leaks? maybe you should do a video covering it.
I agree with your points but I do have some points
About Layla’s Animus’ ability to fill in the blanks:
It is revealed that Layla has modded the Animus, maybe she modded the Animus so it is able to create simulations that takes real world history, stories and lore as well as the DNA’s imbedded memories then creates a simulation of sorts based on the calculated possibilities.
Layla’s Animus is different, how:
In Origins, it is established that Layla’s is a different model, my guess is that her’s is an exploration or research model instead of domestic one, similar to how Rebecca upgraded her Animus in Brotherhood and Revelations. The difference is noticeable when Layla is able to take a DNA sample straight from Amunet (Bayek’s wife, who’s real name escapes me) and places it into the Animus for decoding and sequencing.
Using Corrupt DNA:
If Layla’s Animus is modded and is able to simulate potential sequences, she could use DNA from people who was also involved to create a simulation of what happened, not a true sequence but a baseline sequence.
DNA not knowing if it is Male or Female:
DNA as an organic substance, has a decay rate, a half life. DNA’s half-life is 531 years so by the time Layla gets to it, it would of at least been halved 4 times so it would be at 12.5% integrity, at this stage, parts of the DNA would be gone, this can include gender markers.
About Multiple Endings:
If Layla’s Animus uses a mixture of historical references and DNA (or in this case, lack there of), the Animus needs to fill in the blanks. Which gives it certain liberties (Which infuriates me).
Main Character’s Eagle:
The Eagle is a symbol of Zeus and an avatar that he can use to come to earth. Perhaps it’s a respect thing.
Leap of Faith:
Spartan families each have separate rites, maybe it’s a rite of their family, not a leap of faith but a leap of fearlessness
The Spear:
Pieces of Eden are usually used by people who are associated with their abilities, eg the use of the apple with Hitler and Nepolean, it is not a surprise that Leonidas, a legendary warrior had a PoE that gave him legendary power.
Also about it’s power, since there is limited info, perhaps the Animus needed to fill in the blanks a little but still sticks with what it knows about it, which is it gave superhuman abilities.
Yo Momma Surely the fact that the Isu is a forgotten civilisation and that the remnants of their civilisation, like the PoEs are still being found.
I admit that the way Ubi is going about it, but I’m not gonna judge till it comes out, some plots can be easily remedied while others will take a lot more work
Yo Momma you're assuming that the DNA that the Animus reads is the same as the DNA that we actually have - it could have a completely different structure to the point where the only way the animus knows gender is by seeing a memory where the character looks in a mirror etc.
Third Paragraph is all I was referring to. Lots of people have brought up the idea of "even spit can tell your gender, so how can the animus know what the entire world was like but not your gender", though the genetic memories of assassins creed could be entirely different.
The series was getting stale and stagnate. I for one don't have an issue with the direction in which Ubi is taking AC.. Them making it an RPG is not them following the trends its keeping the Game relevant. AC was getting stale and repetitive. To keep the franchise alive they had to change it up.
I agree. I dont know anything about the story for Odyssey. and I havent finished Origins yet so I am Curious how do you think they have messed up the story
The games were getting boring because they were releasing the games every fucking year
Thank you!! Finally someone gets it. If they keep putting out the same shit that they’ve been putting out..what do you think the gamers are gonna start saying then?!....”Ubisoft keeps putting out the same game over and over just in a different setting and a different character/story” at least time they ACTUALLY put in SOMETHING that NO OTHER Assassins creed game has ever had. And THAT in itself..I am grateful for. These people put they lie hearts and souls AND THEIR MONEY! into these games to make people feel happy and entertained. Why do people always have to try and shit on something like that?? If people wanna complain then here’s a thought...go to school, get a degree in gaming, and design your own damn games..there..problem solved. Now let’s see if people even BUY your game.
Collin Gambill agreed. The last game that stood out was black flag. Syndicate coulda been nice if their “character changing” didn’t feel like skin changing and more like how GTA V did it
Mike Whitt it was getting stale because they stopped trying creatively to write to the lore creatively after AC4 and wouldn’t just pick a direction to commit to post-Desmond. So the lore, which was carrying series just like with Metal Gear Solid, languished and in that time the gameplay which was designed to be a vehicle for the narrative becomes more noticeable.
So the RPG mechanics are a band-aid for a much larger problem: Ubisoft wants to continue a series that has a strong brand, but has no idea what it wants to do with it.
AC is a ship without a rutter at this point and while the sail is still usable there is nobody who can steer it.
I always thought when Desmond or Layla get into animus all the stuff and choices u make in there is supposed to be what ezio or the others did in there memory ornpast life
No. If you play an AC game, you play as the modern day person. Thats why, when you press the stop button in AC 2 it doesn't say "Menu", but "Animus Desktop"
@@ocean7849 that means nothing. I can pause a video. You can stop the animus while you are watching. It's a game they need to allow agency, so technically whatever you choose to do as a player is actually pretending that that's what was done in the memory. This is how these games are meant to be played. This should be simple logic used by everyone in this comment section. If it wasn't that way and there wouldn't be any variation allowed then it wouldn't be a game, it would be a movie.
The current animus accesses what's in the genetic memory but puts it more into what Abstergo used for presenting the games. Basically it builds around the genetic memories, but they're able to be altered within this version of the animus.
To be fair I never actually cared about the real world lore of AC. I only cared of the cool historical places sooo I really don't care.
Rageoholic Sr Play all the games again you will enjoy it a lot more of you care about the lore. That's why it existed in the previous games.
Same here. Present days story missions sucks ass. And I'm not just saying that it started sucking after Desmond's death but I'm saying its ALWAYS been ass
I’m the total same, I mean I think the story is awesome but I don’t care about the lore
I cared until Desmond/Ezio died. After that, couldn't give a fuck. After that it's just been "cool pirate game" "cool egypt game" etc.
Then you’re on the wrong video m8
I appreciate your effort in a video and I’ve played assassins, read all the books and comics, had friends who worked on ac3, like you I could say I’m an expert but facts are...
1) a hidden blade is in oddessy, it’s in the dlc and explains the original hidden blade.
2) there are notes that tell you the progression of the animus system
And technology (if you look properly)
3) the eagle is a huge thing is creek mythology..so kinda wrong there..it fits
4) the leap of faith was shown to Khemut (sorry shit at names) to be brave..not to be an assassin.
As I said I appreciate your work on your channel but it just feels like “I don’t like this so it’s bollocks” games evolve, stories evolve. Sometimes you just need to enjoy them. sometimes shit gets muddy in games..look at anything..nothing has clear perfect cannon. #factsarefacts
For your 4th point you forgot that Lazer immediately after explaining the leap of faith says Bayak used it for teaching new recruits into the assassin order as it was designed to help you overcome your fears... It became a motif of the assassin order but seeing someone do the same exact leap of faith 300-400 years before the order was official is bollocks.
I may be wrong, but was the Leap of Faith not something the Medjay traditionally did (In Origins, not RL)?
RedOneLeader but it was something that Bayak did and introduced it into the order of assassins when it was formed and when he trained his assassins. That is how it became a tradition of the assassins.
Literally the video shows Bayak using the leap of faith to treat his son to fight his fears. It doesn’t matter if it was a Medjay thing it was a Bayak thing who turned it into an Assassin thing
Cole Haeska but it never said bayek *Invented* the leap of faith
he didn't Origins implies that his father was doing it before him
Loved everything in this video and very much agree, but maybe the thing about it giving her all these insane abilities and being the only one is because it was so rare? Pieces of Eden have shown mind control and creating being for killing, so we know they're powerful, but maybe they wanting something that brings more of a fight instead of just getting everything done. In the games, you don't get pieces of Eden for very long, so maybe this was also a way to give you powers of Eden without killing anything and everything in your path
If I remember correctly about Senu specifically in Origins, Layla's animus is basically running Animus Mods so that she and we can see through Senu's eyes, but Bayek was never able to do that.
I don't know if "Animus Mods" can help with any of the other major questions though...
According to Vidic the animus projects genetic memories as a 3d world.
• In my opinion that means the DNA is used to create the 3d world.
Lucy says that you can de-sync if your subconscious reject the memories
• I think meaning that his mind has to subconsciously step into his ancestors shoes.
The animus tutorial also says you de-sync when you do what Altair wouldn't have done aka killing innocents, not following the creed, getting extremely injured etc. And in the first game Desmond looked like Desmond not Altair in the animus.
• So i think Desmond is in a simulation, and he is basically controlling a puppet version of himself.
• And when he truly believes that he is the ancestor subconsciously and starts to behave and think the same way that as them, is when he starts to sync with his ancestor.
• So i think the animus can really create whatever simulation it wants to with the corrupted DNA and fill in parts of what it can't find to create a somewhat realistic world. And the dialogue options are there because the animus doesn't fully know how the ancestor acted due to the corrupted DNA. As for gender i got nothing.
Oh common James , assassins creed didn’t just die | it was murderd😂😂
Cringy cleanprince reference is cringy
Hey James, could you clarify something for me? You mentioned that the further back in time you go in the Animus, the more distorted the image gets, but then why was the Truth video involving Adam and Eve so crystal clear?
The fact that we got an actual health bars and damage indicators in Assassin's creed speak for itself
Health bars were always a thing
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Actual health bars have been a thing since forever lol
Hey man. Currently, I live in the Silicon Valley and work in app development. Since you’re not from the states, you may not know that the Silicon Valley is where Apple, Google, Netflix, and many more tech companies reside. I see new technology before most other places in the world EVERYDAY! I am also a massive fan of this franchise.
I personally can understand the concept of this game and time period. Layla is a struggling engineer at the bottom of Abstergo’s food chain. She wants desperately to move forward with the company, though no one takes her seriously, so she is trying to prove herself.
She is amazing at what she does, and has created an ever growing simulation using previous DNA. I think of No Man’s Sky, but in a much more controlled environment. It’s all randomly generated, but follows the same themes.
As for your other point, think of phones within the last 10 years. Their has been so much change, and so many advances! The same thing would happen with the Animus. If I took “a picture of a picture of a picture” with a flip phone, then it wouldn’t be long before the photos got SUPER blurry! If you did that same thing with an iPhone X, then you would see way more pictures for way longer. Layla has created the iPhone X of animus’. Though to agree with you, I would like for Ubisoft to explain how, though I’m sure they won’t.
Layla has invented a machine that allows her to go back further in time without corrupting the memory, and then uses randomly generated simulation FROM said memory, to further the experience.
As for the Spear, I hope that the modern tie-in involves Layla and her new assassin friends searching for the weapon, and that all of the characters customizations also last when Layla gets ahold of it.
I don’t understand the “male or female DNA” thing either, though to play devil’s advocate, just because you are a brilliant engineer, doesn’t mean you know everything about the biological standpoint of your “test subject”. From what we know, no one is really helping her with her invention, which means that the stuff she doesn’t really understand, would also affect the way her invention works.
As for the “multiple different endings”, it doesn’t make any sense... UNLESS, it affects the future games, kind of like dragon age inquisition, which I personally believe would be amazing.
This route also helps the franchise branch out when it comes to multiplayer. I think Ubisoft might introduce a “GTA Online” like multiplayer experience in the future, that they can defend with the new mechanics, which I wouldn’t hate.
Anyway, I know a lot of people are probably agreeing and disagreeing with you, though hopefully I have given some unheard insight. Thanks for the vids! I really enjoy them.
One way of looking at it is by comparing two archeologists.
Ac2 and AcO are both looking for an ancient diary in some ruins. (Different diary and ruins)
Ac2 finds most of the pages but decides to keep looking until all of the pages are found. (Full Sync) Otherwise we wouldn't have all of the info.
AcO finds a few pages and from those pages creates an entire story about everything that happened. Where the pages aren't enough AcO makes stuff up.
They both hand in papers to be reviewed. Which would be the better paper?....
Which of the two is a better Archaeologist?
These are very very valid points but I would still like to play it if I could but due to the covid 19 stuff laying me off and my Xbox one being stolen but anyway neither here nor their great video thank you for it keep up the good work please sir