I feel like this plane will boil down to this... Air-AB=dead on sight... Air RB=dead on sight... Ground RB= they don't ever see you at 35,000 feet dunkin' on half the enemy team... Sim= same, you are invisible and bombing airfields with impunity... It's a SIM grinder for sure... the only way you can find the thing in sim is to see it... and if you are playing a night game, its over for the enemy airfield...
The F-117 was designed to absorb heat and distribute it across the body to avoid thermal detection. Also, it was designed in such a way to not only avoid radar detection, but also harder to see with your own eyes, if far away and at the correct angle. Stealth is technically a defense. The safest bomber is one that can’t be spotted in the first place.
@@GermaniumSteel There are things besides bases to bomb in air sim. Hopefully it'll get it's GBU-27s on the live server, and that they'll be good at blowing up ships.
I wonder if having the bomb bays open changes it's detectability. The only F-117 shot down was because the SAM operator turned it on at the exact moment the bomb bays were open.
I know, it would be so good! I lived on an RAF base while I was younger so had the privilege of going to ALOT of air shows and was able to see the Vulcan a few times before it was retired.
In about another two decades or more, it'll be paving the way for the stealth fighters we have today, for example, the raptor would be first to get in I think since it's the oldest, but the F 35 could come first too since it's being exported
tbh it feels like Gaijin has jumped the shark with this one. rather annoying that they go this far for content but wont finish the old bomber models. (still don't have cockpits) oh and i bet there will be constant arguments over the stealth mechanic.
What was that, what the hell was that? It went by like we were standing still! Blue leader to group, get off the ai- Last words of a Me 262 pilot who forced to fight F117s
@@TinyBearTim it probably could but I'd wager it depends on altitude and a few other factors, and if it's the 262 with the boosters I'm probably putting money on that specific 262
@@exmachina1405 what about 40 years of difference? I mean we want historical accuracy, those BR changes will make up for it: Me 262 (all) : 5.7 Tiger (e): 4.0 He 162 : 6.7 Bf109 K-4: 5.0 P51H : 7.3 P51 D-30 : 5.7 Me 163 (all) : 6.0 A6M5 Ko : 4.7 A6M2 : 3.3 Ho 229 : 6.0 Maus : 4.0 G56 : 5.7 F4u-4B : 6.0 Ju 288 : 5.7 B29A-BN : 6.0
So for the longest time, I could only name the B-2, but I still knew the nighthk but only as the night hawk. It wasn’t until a year ago that I learned that the invisible flying cheese wedge was called the F-117. I love this thing!
Hey @WeBeStronk just a little tip for the gps bombs, you dont need to put the retical over the target at all because they will pitch up to hit the target unlike laser guided bombs so they can be dropped a significant amount of distance from the target point and still reach it, hope this helps! 👍👍
It’s a game at the end of the day and needs to be viable. Besides it can mount missiles, the military just didn’t do it. It could mount every munition in the American arsenal.
@@lantucker114 no it could not. as a matter of fact, there was a specific variant that was made FOR air to air ability. the Missiles that it could carry were only a test and even then it was more of an ad-hoc modification.
The funny thing is that this thing is gonna either encounter things with no radar or very weak radar so this stealth helps out a lot with those since it’s gonna be 10.0
I personally think for air RB only friendlies should have the obvious tags. Enemies should only be visible, visually and only to other team mates if you target them and give a command to relay their location over radio. This would make the game play MUCH more realistic. Obviously have them show on radar that should go without saying but that way radar is actually useful far more in RB.
its best use is gonna be precision targeting in night battles with the paveways. I don't see much of a use beyond that. It is a welcomed use case though since there isn't another plane like it, irl or in game
I'm pretty sure the Nighthawk wasn't supersonic because it would require afterburners, and afterburners would 1) greatly increase thermal signature, 2) most likely mess up with the specially shaped engine nozzles of the F-117. I want the Handley Page Victor though.
1:57 When I was 3 or 4, one of these things flew really close to the ground at my house and looking back it probably was about to crash into the yard/me but pulled up in time. Must have been like 150-200 feet from the ground.
In my opinion I think that the Stealth Bomber will introduce a different Category of playstyle. F-35's and Stealth Modern Aircrafts and because this introduction this means that people or players will have the ability to increase the chances to get to higher tiers. with better output. For example: Taking out a Stealth Bomber plane is going to double maybe triple your Lions, This is because it is "Semi-Invisible" to Radar from the front. But Hitting this Aircraft is extremely difficult for even Modern Aircraft. IR Missiles are going to struggle as the Exhaust of the plane has a dispersion effect as it flies it still produces thrust... But that thrust is hyper cooled, This is also additionally to the B-2 Bomber. This is also going to be an extreme High Altitude bomber. This bomber is best used during Night operations due to the Dark paint making it practically invisible. As for gameplay... I am eager to wonder what they intend with Stealth capabilities. Due to the game modes they have it's 100% not going to be enjoyable. It doesn't take a Critic or a enthusiast to know that Gaijin is making a risky move... But on the upside their updated graphics and capabilities is going to be nice. One final thing I will say though. The maximum speed is 623 mph (1,003 km/h; 541 kn) at high altitude, the max rate of climb is 2,820 feet (860 m) per minute, and service ceiling is 43,000 to 45,000 feet (13,000 to 14,000 m). So this plane can climb pretty quickly and some Jet Bombers especially in the U.S.A side does not have this Relic... It's going to be interesting in Med-top tier.
Absolutely agree on allowing "useless" plane and vehicles in WT. They've admitted as much when it comes to the Sturmtiger, Tog 2, and now this how they're a novelty and not as practical. Having it as squadron vehicle as opposed to grind event is also appreciated, players can unlock it at their leisure. As far as stealth aspect goes for the F-117 IRST and contrast locking missiles seem to ignore it head on while everything else can lock from behind. I can see future stealth aircraft posing an issue balance wise (stealth fighter vs non stealth fighters) but we know Gaijin will add them eventually, maybe in a "balanced" state like the Brimstone missiles.
At 14:00 you got sot down by the LAV AD. This is probably due to the fact you had your bomb bay open increasing your radar cross section, making you more visible.
I think if they put this thing at 10.0, maybe 9.3, it would be able to do its job and use its special ability. Most planes with radar at 9.3 and 10.0 aren’t the absolute best and you can achieve perfect stealth without facing the enemy by just flying low or in front of mountains.
I'm going to treat it like a M109 and bring it into top tier because that's what it was designed for. Plus the f-117 can prob hold its own unless it gets to close and gets gunned
Hear me out... Make another version with Air to air capabilities, for the current one make it a nuke bomber for night battles, also make it completely undetectable as a nuke bomber, meaning the only way to stop it is aim.
Gaijin should just give it a fog, like if you try to lock on to it, all you see is a blur of static and your radar lock locking everywhere but the nighthawk.
I still think it's just a test plane for more stealth jets like Eurofighter,f-22, f-35, su-57 and maybe b-2. Yes the Eurofighter has a slight stealth capability from the front.
The only reason everyone remembers the hopeless diamond is because its been shot down. And it is has a fighter designation so lets not refer to it as a bomber as its classification by the USA AIR FORCE and USA Government as a fighter
This aircraft should be given better stealth, as its not very effective as it stands and wouldn't even be able to bomb at all, however It would also be balanced by that fact that it is basically made of tissue paper and can't turn for shot and would be torn to bits by gunfire of likely any kind.
Crazy thing is this plane was made operational around 41 years ago, and retired in 2008 It feels new because of how advanced it was made back then, still being comparable to modern bomber designs now
It just feels odd for this to be in 8.7, fighting along with aircrafts 30 years behind... Yes I get it, it's only carrying 2 bombs but still. Imagine a match of sabres and mig-15s, and then suddenly there's an F-117 stealth attack aircraft.
It’s a game at the end of the day and needs to be viable. Besides it can mount missiles, the military just didn’t do it. It could mount every munition in the American arsenal.
SLETH PLEN is finally in the game!! Who'd have thought... the F-117 in War Thunder. Pigs truly can fly... what are your thoughts on it being added?
Webe you haven’t responded
Day 15 play the p36 tier twooo
Happy 44k
Its pooooooooooop!
It’s not stealth
I feel like this plane will boil down to this...
Air-AB=dead on sight... Air RB=dead on sight... Ground RB= they don't ever see you at 35,000 feet dunkin' on half the enemy team... Sim= same, you are invisible and bombing airfields with impunity... It's a SIM grinder for sure... the only way you can find the thing in sim is to see it... and if you are playing a night game, its over for the enemy airfield...
Inb4 aeoilaeiepae absolutely slaughters Air-AB with it somehow
@@AHSValor somehow that wouldn't surprise me if he bombed the entire enemy team out of the air with it...
@@maggaming7969 If there are GBUs, he will find a way
Half the team, how you got 2 bombs, so 2 kills unless a group maybe 3 or 4 then
@@sniper321fire Air Arcade reloads your ammo after an amount of time
It's just a bomber with no deffensive option, like a bucanneer s1 or camberra
At least the Canberra can turn!
@@WeBeStronk but the bucanneer s1 can't :)
@@WeBeStronk btw i think you need to fly the nighthawk above 8 km or 11km
The F-117 was designed to absorb heat and distribute it across the body to avoid thermal detection. Also, it was designed in such a way to not only avoid radar detection, but also harder to see with your own eyes, if far away and at the correct angle. Stealth is technically a defense. The safest bomber is one that can’t be spotted in the first place.
That cant even destroy a base :/
i have a feeling the Nighthawk will shine in Air Simulator Battles, where it can actually use its stealth.
It only has like 2000lbs bombs so not very useful against bases
But I see your point , where it will have realistic stealth so you can’t really detect it on any radar unlike arcade or realistic battles
@@GermaniumSteel There are things besides bases to bomb in air sim. Hopefully it'll get it's GBU-27s on the live server, and that they'll be good at blowing up ships.
This is what I’m thinking, you’d be invisible
I wonder if having the bomb bays open changes it's detectability. The only F-117 shot down was because the SAM operator turned it on at the exact moment the bomb bays were open.
yes it does
when is the update gonna drop?
Cirni Bombardier!
@@عبداللهمحمد-ب7ص3ش like next/2 weeks
Thats hope talking you probably haven't been playing long
I hope this increases the Avro Vulcan’s chances now especially with this and the recent use of the model in the Brazil moments of valour video
It drives me so insane that people don’t want more bombers because “they are useless”. Some people just enjoy flying their favorite planes!
@ That’s my viewpoint too. I’d love to be able to fly the tin triangle!
I know, it would be so good! I lived on an RAF base while I was younger so had the privilege of going to ALOT of air shows and was able to see the Vulcan a few times before it was retired.
In about another two decades or more, it'll be paving the way for the stealth fighters we have today, for example, the raptor would be first to get in I think since it's the oldest, but the F 35 could come first too since it's being exported
That turns better than the starfighters (f104s), and those do not turn.
Spicy pencil doesn't need to turn
Why y'all wt players want everything to turn? 😂
These guys will see a bomber and expect it to turn like a fighter @@getehrwolf6111
So they can bend over and fuk@@getehrwolf6111
tbh it feels like Gaijin has jumped the shark with this one.
rather annoying that they go this far for content but wont finish the old bomber models. (still don't have cockpits)
oh and i bet there will be constant arguments over the stealth mechanic.
There's still constant arguments over how some aircraft don't have their historical bomb loads or types
I still think that they should’ve just made a completely separate game for the post-World War II stuff, tbh.
I hope you play it when it comes to the game to see how different will it be
That's the plan!
@@WeBeStronk now thats hype because it will be interesting to see the F-117 face off against stuff like F-86, F-104 and stuff like it in a full match
10,000,000 GE is crazy
What was that, what the hell was that?
It went by like we were standing still!
Blue leader to group, get off the ai-
Last words of a Me 262 pilot who forced to fight F117s
Until the Me 262 pilots realize that it doesnt have any offensive armament and then simply shoot it down
@@exmachina1405they go around the same speed and the 262s guns are horrid and it’s engines weak can’t this just run from it
@@TinyBearTim it probably could but I'd wager it depends on altitude and a few other factors, and if it's the 262 with the boosters I'm probably putting money on that specific 262
@@exmachina1405 yeah bro I compare F117 with C2-b variant. This thing should be 7.7.
@@exmachina1405 what about 40 years of difference? I mean we want historical accuracy, those BR changes will make up for it:
Me 262 (all) : 5.7
Tiger (e): 4.0
He 162 : 6.7
Bf109 K-4: 5.0
P51H : 7.3
P51 D-30 : 5.7
Me 163 (all) : 6.0
A6M5 Ko : 4.7
A6M2 : 3.3
Ho 229 : 6.0
Maus : 4.0
G56 : 5.7
F4u-4B : 6.0
Ju 288 : 5.7
B29A-BN : 6.0
So for the longest time, I could only name the B-2, but I still knew the nighthk but only as the night hawk. It wasn’t until a year ago that I learned that the invisible flying cheese wedge was called the F-117.
I love this thing!
I think the f-117 is suppos to be use between 15,000 and 25,000 (4,500 to 7,600) mètres for a good stealth
It takes like 8-10 mins to get to that altitude just tk drop 2 bombs and be out, it's horrendous, this plane was good, but irl, in game is shit
Surprise surprise, a warthunder bomber doesn't spawn high enough for it to be useful, what a shocker! I never expected this!
I don’t think that many people understand what stealth means, it’s not undetectable, it has limited detectability.
the most iconic stealth aircraft is the SR71 Blackbird
Hey @WeBeStronk just a little tip for the gps bombs, you dont need to put the retical over the target at all because they will pitch up to hit the target unlike laser guided bombs so they can be dropped a significant amount of distance from the target point and still reach it, hope this helps! 👍👍
They’re gonna have to give it missiles
It’s a game at the end of the day and needs to be viable. Besides it can mount missiles, the military just didn’t do it. It could mount every munition in the American arsenal.
It never had missiles irl. It was designated a fighter during the Cold War to trick the Russians.
@@lantucker114 no it could not. as a matter of fact, there was a specific variant that was made FOR air to air ability. the Missiles that it could carry were only a test and even then it was more of an ad-hoc modification.
Thats a terrible take
This thing will be going against me 163's it does not need missiles
It be perfect for ground realistic
The funny thing is that this thing is gonna either encounter things with no radar or very weak radar so this stealth helps out a lot with those since it’s gonna be 10.0
@1:52
Looked away for a couple seconds and all i hear is
"Look at it, its a flying triangle!!!"
lost it😂, spilt my drink
As an air sim player who's fav plane has been the F117 since I was a kid, this is a dream come true. been hard the entire 24 minutes of this video
I personally think for air RB only friendlies should have the obvious tags. Enemies should only be visible, visually and only to other team mates if you target them and give a command to relay their location over radio. This would make the game play MUCH more realistic. Obviously have them show on radar that should go without saying but that way radar is actually useful far more in RB.
its best use is gonna be precision targeting in night battles with the paveways. I don't see much of a use beyond that. It is a welcomed use case though since there isn't another plane like it, irl or in game
17:10 that was me in the a4e early, i was looking at the plane cause it was so weird seeing a stealth aircraft that that br lol
Can you play low tier helicopters pls?
ITS PAIN
Not with agm
Mk 24 Spitfires can see this thing. Crazy.
Yeah that's dumb.
I'm pretty sure the Nighthawk wasn't supersonic because it would require afterburners, and afterburners would 1) greatly increase thermal signature, 2) most likely mess up with the specially shaped engine nozzles of the F-117.
I want the Handley Page Victor though.
As a person who plays msfs and war thunder player that landing had me ascending I’ve never seen anything like it in the game
WeBe: "Look at it! It's a triangle!"
Me: *muffed angry aviation nerd noises*
IT'S A *_HOPELESS DIAMOND_* , NOT A TRIANGLE
1:57 When I was 3 or 4, one of these things flew really close to the ground at my house and looking back it probably was about to crash into the yard/me but pulled up in time. Must have been like 150-200 feet from the ground.
you know whats better, it has forward facing guns and a rear turret. The wirraway which is why you should fly it
i feel like the F-117 has just been added to test out stealth mechanics so they might be adding stuff like the f-22 in the future for example
In my opinion I think that the Stealth Bomber will introduce a different Category of playstyle.
F-35's and Stealth Modern Aircrafts and because this introduction this means that people or players will have the ability to increase the chances to get to higher tiers. with better output.
For example:
Taking out a Stealth Bomber plane is going to double maybe triple your Lions, This is because it is "Semi-Invisible" to Radar from the front. But Hitting this Aircraft is extremely difficult for even Modern Aircraft. IR Missiles are going to struggle as the Exhaust of the plane has a dispersion effect as it flies it still produces thrust... But that thrust is hyper cooled, This is also additionally to the B-2 Bomber. This is also going to be an extreme High Altitude bomber. This bomber is best used during Night operations due to the Dark paint making it practically invisible.
As for gameplay... I am eager to wonder what they intend with Stealth capabilities. Due to the game modes they have it's 100% not going to be enjoyable. It doesn't take a Critic or a enthusiast to know that Gaijin is making a risky move... But on the upside their updated graphics and capabilities is going to be nice. One final thing I will say though.
The maximum speed is 623 mph (1,003 km/h; 541 kn) at high altitude, the max rate of climb is 2,820 feet (860 m) per minute, and service ceiling is 43,000 to 45,000 feet (13,000 to 14,000 m).
So this plane can climb pretty quickly and some Jet Bombers especially in the U.S.A side does not have this Relic... It's going to be interesting in Med-top tier.
Actually, the first stealth aircraft was the fathers of Ka-50 players
Would be interesting to see 3 friends formation flying this for a laugh!
Absolutely agree on allowing "useless" plane and vehicles in WT. They've admitted as much when it comes to the Sturmtiger, Tog 2, and now this how they're a novelty and not as practical. Having it as squadron vehicle as opposed to grind event is also appreciated, players can unlock it at their leisure.
As far as stealth aspect goes for the F-117 IRST and contrast locking missiles seem to ignore it head on while everything else can lock from behind. I can see future stealth aircraft posing an issue balance wise (stealth fighter vs non stealth fighters) but we know Gaijin will add them eventually, maybe in a "balanced" state like the Brimstone missiles.
3:07 - WeBeStronk : "Ooh Yeaah" - bro became Vector for a second
I just wanna say. I appreciate your videos.
Glad you like them!
14:23 You had your bomb bay doors open so it ruins the stealth capabilities. Thats why he saw you mate.
I’m definitely using this in GRB that’s for sure. I’m actually at this tier in tanks
Great! Maybe you’ll be able to attack convoys in Air Sim EC with out being killed at 5k ft. 👍🏻
From what I’ve seen it sounds like the perfect aircraft to grind US air
At 14:00 you got sot down by the LAV AD. This is probably due to the fact you had your bomb bay open increasing your radar cross section, making you more visible.
IR missiles have no problem shooting you down. The F-117 is all about the radar stealth
@@partyparrot168 it also has IR reduction. But yeah it is mainly radar cross-section reduction at most AOE.
I remember when i was a kid they used to say that it used alien technology from area 51 to build this XD
I think if they put this thing at 10.0, maybe 9.3, it would be able to do its job and use its special ability.
Most planes with radar at 9.3 and 10.0 aren’t the absolute best and you can achieve perfect stealth without facing the enemy by just flying low or in front of mountains.
you sold by keeping the bomb bay doors open
I wish the f 117 could carry mavericks
I mean the wooden planes in WW2 like the Mossie were invisible to the radars of the time.
Yes, but aircraft radar just isn't vaible in WT at that time
@@AHSValorI think there are like 4 late ww2 aircraft in wt that have radar but yeah i think early ww2 radar shoild be more included
I'm going to treat it like a M109 and bring it into top tier because that's what it was designed for. Plus the f-117 can prob hold its own unless it gets to close and gets gunned
There is going to be hell if Gaijin doesn't get the Vulcan Howell correct
i think the reason they could see u is cuz u had ur bomb doors open creating a signature
Dev server?
leaves bomb bay door open.
gets shot down by missile.
"that's not very stealthy" 🤨🙄
i think the f-117 would be great for ground pounding or be near bombers and take out a base they couldnt
Hear me out...
Make another version with Air to air capabilities, for the current one make it a nuke bomber for night battles, also make it completely undetectable as a nuke bomber, meaning the only way to stop it is aim.
Gaijin should just give it a fog, like if you try to lock on to it, all you see is a blur of static and your radar lock locking everywhere but the nighthawk.
The important part about the F-117 is not the aircraft it self but the intrudoction of stealth in my opinion!
i would assume an open bomb bay probably increases ur radar signature
They can give it agm 65 maverick and harm missile and put it at 12-13 br range.
I like how they put a plane that will do amazing in simulator, but they did fuck all to that game modes in the last 5 years
Grinding the upgrades will be hell esp with those shitty starting bombs
once the bomb bay opens, you lose all stealth until it closes. its the predecessor to the F22.
gaijin give me my YF-23 premium here's the money... get on with it..
HOW!
The plane in any gamemode with markers is dead though in ground rb and sim it might be quite efficient
quite interesting plane! weebe you should try the 1.3 do 17 z7 its very powerful in headons and i got a lot of kills with it
It's clearly one of the coolest jets ever made hands down
daaamn you should have more subs, +1
yes webe, that is ourageously high packet loss
it's what I deal with every day, and lookit me
I turned out... fine XD
Maybe spaceclimb and use as an airfield troller at the end of the
gps guided bombs are a select target and cannot follow moving targets take laser guided instead
But since you get a contrail above 6k anyway, it wont work in sim, everyone will just fly up and shoot you down. It will be easy pickings.
one of the very few bombers with a cockpit...
When are they going to make the blackbird next?😊
It’s only real use will be in sim and high tier GRB imo.
you already did a video to the strike eagle?
it goes 1100 km , but gajin wants this to be ballanced
When are we going to get the b52 strato fortresses
Can you try playing the cannon Mustang next?
I still think it's just a test plane for more stealth jets like Eurofighter,f-22, f-35, su-57 and maybe b-2. Yes the Eurofighter has a slight stealth capability from the front.
since when do you think eurofighter and su57 are stealth? The eurofighter has just a system that makes it trim with aileronds instead of canards
@@aquilesca5tr0 just Google it took me 2 minutes to find it and I said it had a slight stealth capability and not overall. It's not an f-22 or f-35
He obviously meant stealth suite not the stealth plane itself, both su57 and euro fighter boast variety of stealth suits
@@ezye97the euro fighter is not stealth in the slightest
@@RhodesianSuperiority What part of ‘suites’ can you not understand….Stealth isn’t just obtuse angles and paint?
The faster you go the more heat you create causing less stealth
The only reason everyone remembers the hopeless diamond is because its been shot down. And it is has a fighter designation so lets not refer to it as a bomber as its classification by the USA AIR FORCE and USA Government as a fighter
How is stelth supposed to work if you have a bomb shaft outside?
New Dorito in town
This aircraft should be given better stealth, as its not very effective as it stands and wouldn't even be able to bomb at all, however It would also be balanced by that fact that it is basically made of tissue paper and can't turn for shot and would be torn to bits by gunfire of likely any kind.
it's 8.7 in AIR BATTLES, what's it's GRB br.
Heat seeking missiles be like 🗿
Day 8 of asking Webe to play the Xp 55
Surprised the stealth coating isnt a module knowing gaijin....
You sound just like stampy longheaf
Can wait for the f-117 spam
In real life if your bomb bay is open you’re easily seen by radar so that’s why the LAVAD saw you
If we get the F-22 next year I’ll eat a shoe.
War thunder, you got some explaining to do I just fed the snail $25 and I still have bad luck WTF.
Are those runways longer too?
It feels to new to be in the game tho
Crazy thing is this plane was made operational around 41 years ago, and retired in 2008
It feels new because of how advanced it was made back then, still being comparable to modern bomber designs now
It just feels odd for this to be in 8.7, fighting along with aircrafts 30 years behind... Yes I get it, it's only carrying 2 bombs but still. Imagine a match of sabres and mig-15s, and then suddenly there's an F-117 stealth attack aircraft.
Stealth attacking what? Its got no offensive armaments.
also this happens often with ground battles, just used to it, this game isnt meant to be accurate to real life
@StalkersAlt so what? Not everything needs to be competitive. This thing would arguably be better at a higher br than 8.7
@@alexanderjones7769 definitely not, in air rb it would simply just die.
@@liamseven1604 and...? So should we put all bombers and strike aircraft at 1.0 because they just die?
It’s a game at the end of the day and needs to be viable. Besides it can mount missiles, the military just didn’t do it. It could mount every munition in the American arsenal.
how do you have 10 mil ge? how to vid maybe? or yt shorts?
Maybe don't open you bomb bay until your over the target