Every Remote Turret in War Thunder - Planes
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- Опубліковано 21 лис 2024
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you missed a certain japanese bomber. can you find it?
Noooooo you forgot the Grizzly 😭. Poor little guy I love him to death
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I legit did a double take
@@colemiller2149dang, that’s a good point. Okay I’ll think about what new boarder colour to use
It's wild thinking they had remote-controlled turrets in ww2, It's something i still find difficult to grasp
And you have the superfortress turrets that are basically computer controlled, ww2 saw some crazy aviation innovations
Edit: just reached the point in the video where he mentions it
We(humans) had remote controlled turrets before WWI. Not on planes though, obviously 😅
The first cruise ”missile” was from WW1. Basically a remote controlled/pre-programmed kamikaze aircraft.
Lots of weird surprisingly high tech stuff around a century ago.
By the end of the war American warships were able to have computers calculate firing solutions for their guns with the aid of radar, which allowed some of the battleships to get hits on Japanese ships at insane ranges even without visual contact. Given that these remote turrets are a couple of 50 cals and not 16 inch battleship guns it was probably a lot easier to make the remote turrets with ballistic computers for them
Not only that:
-drones
-homing torpedoes
12:24 The nose is boxy because curved glass distorts the image through it and makes the sun glint at more angles. It's the same reason the canopy of the AH-1 cobra became more boxy over time. Note that on most aircraft until quite recently you'll find an optically flat panel of glass in most cockpits and bomb aimer positions.
It probably also makes it easier to manufacture, since curved glass is much more difficult to make (as far as I'm aware)
Oh wow, that's a good explanation.
Thx :D
oh neat, i thought it was because of the distortion curved glass could cause
@@fishman501 or maybe it's an already existing manufacturing line, so like glass from a car or smth
@@ThaGr1m It was definitely to aid in gunnery. There was no particular issue creating large plexi glass mouldings for other stations such as the Halifax III nose, which was a really big moulding.
No doubt everyone will be flooding you with this comment, but the P-61's turret actually defaults forward facing not rear facing. Which makes it bad if you're being intercepted from the rear.
Dang, I got mixed up with doing the voice over 😭
And on most P-61s actually deployed in WW2 it defaulted to whatever direction the gunners in the B-29 it was actually on wanted it.
the Bottom turret on the G8N simply uses a reflective gunsight. the crew sits above and will have to move the turret himself.
i think its the same for the b17
Only up to the B17F. E and G uses the sperrey turret which is hydraulically operated.
The B-17 with the remote ball turret control was the glass bubble right behind the turret.
It was controlled via periscope. The glass bubble is so a crew member can provide additional information as the periscopic sight had a very narrow field of vision and it was otherwise hard to pick up a target. Mostly, the periscopic sight made the gunners dizzy and later B-17Es got ball turrets. The Lancaster had a similar turret (FN.64) but without the additional sighting window, with similar issues acquiring a target, hence most were removed, although by no means all.
EDIT: I was wrong.
What I heard from those WWII vet interviews was that tge B-17E's remote turret used a mirror to aim, which made aiming difficult. That's why it was changed to a ball turret.
It could also make the gunner dizzy.
It seems that was the Bendix on the B-25, not the Sperry on the B-17E.
2:35 You are correct, the P-61 was designed to be a Heavy Night Fighter, using its radar to find, track, and destroy enemy aircraft in the dark.
im surprised the XA-38 grizzly was missed out, but either way it was neat to learn about the planes with these turrets, its easy to forget how many of them actually have remote controlled turrets.
The fixed mgs were controlled by the pilot, they would have a trigger to fire them to try and scare off planes on their tail
What I'm confused by is the He-111 5 degrees traverse. What kinda of mechanism and sight was there to know where to aim the gun. Or was the 5 degrees just added by the WT Devs?
@@TheIronArmenianakaGIHaigs From what i know, even the He-111s remote Mg was controlled by the pilot. I'm also not sure if the He-111s Mg always had 5 degrees of traverse, so it's quite possible they added that to buff the plane.
@@TheIronArmenianakaGIHaigs Added by the devs, the fixed guns had no movement at all and no sights
I remember it being part of the devblog when they updated the 111's model
@@biomike01 Dornier 217 could have 2 MG81z in the tail. Effectively four guns.
2:09 I forgot there I heard it from, but I believe the pilot could lock the turret forward, basically giving the pilot 4 extra forward facing .50's on top of the 20mm cannons. Sadly this feature is not in War Thunder :(
Yeah people have been asking for that feature from when it was added to the game :(
@@TheIronArmenianakaGIHaigsIf I remember correctly, they had written in the devblog that it would be able to do this in the game, but they never implemented it
@@TheIronArmenianakaGIHaigs , I thought they said something about it being unbalanced and refused to add it.
"... and a highly curious turret with four Browning 12.7 mm machine guns, capable of attacking targets all across its upper surfaces. Incidentally, this turret could also be locked to shoot forwards, so the pilot could control it as a frontal weapon. In War Thunder, we plan to introduce this function a little later in the form of a researched modification." from the devblog
Yes, it was possible. Relatively few in WW2 actually got the turrets, though, as it was the same turret (although with a differently shaped fairing) as the top front turret of the B-29, and that had priority. The P-61 has an interesting history as it was actually for a British requirement with the British paper design being the same form factor and also with a turret as turret fighters were still in vogue in 1940.
The black widdow still lacks the function of the turret beeing able to be fired from the Pilot in normal mode
4:40 The rear turret in the B-29 was also just optionally manned if I remember it correctly. It could be remote controlled.
Citation?
The He-111 rear gun I heard from someone that Hungary had one scout/recon he-111 fitted with that, it is supposed to be stationary, and only really used as scare tactics. The enemy pilots knew (Soviets) that behind the plane they are safe from the gunners, so this gun was stuck there to just fire at them and put them off from sitting behind the plane freely. I guess it moves similar to other stationary guns in game, some sort of a gameplay reason.
I love the SM. 91 turret it’s gotten me plenty of kills on players
the SM.91 is insanely good in general, but excellent on Sim. very stupid being able to go third person when no one else can, while having similar turn times to later fighters, and an excellent armament and ground pound capability.
I love the J1n1 people almost never expect that much rear firepower
The 1 degree traversal on the fixed guns isn't Gaijin being nice, it's needed in order to use them at ALL. Since in gunner mode you can move the aim point outside the field of fire, it'd be impossible to stay within a 0 degree area to actually fire the guns.
Can't they just add a separate keybind, like for the tilted schrage musik cannons on german heavy fighters?
The S.M.91 and S.M.92 have different turret guns if I recall correctly. The S.M.91 has the 20 mm MG-151, while the S.M.92 has a 12.7 mm Breda SAFAT HMG.
Gotta love the turrets honestly!
iirc pe-3 mgs are controlled by pilot and could be replaced to flamethrower or a parachuted anti-air mine launcher
I think there was also a German Do-17 that had a flame thrower in the tail
@@TheIronArmenianakaGIHaigs yes
Anti air mines? Damn
Just to point out something with the P-61 black widow. The widow is a night fighter. It’s designed to interdict targets at night. The 3rd man is the radar operator. The 3 man crew is in order. Pilot, gunner/ aux pilot and radar operator. The remote turret was the same one fitted to the B-29 and the P-61s primary armament is 4 20mm cannons under the pilots cockpit ( placed so the muzzle flash does not compromise night vision). The default position for the turret is straight ahead btw as the faring is intended to point this way. Later P-61s omitted the power turret completely and just locked the 4 .50s facing forward and gave the pilot a second trigger. The 3rd crew the radar operator was moved into the gunners position and the gunner position was eliminated. They usually carried extra fuel or increased ammunition in place of the deleted crewman
The B-29’s Tale Gunner is actually still a Remote Controlled Turret, it looks like it isn’t but it’s rear guns are controlled like all the other guns.
The Soviets also didn’t build the Tu-4 from scratch, they captured 4 B-29’s that had to make an emergency landing in the USSR after mechanical malfunction while flying missions over Japan; this left them with 3 intact B-29’s that they reverse engineered.
bro forgot the premium ki-21 butt gun
Was about say that
justice for ki-21
12:14 I'd say that one isn't remote controlled because of how the controls are configured. It's just offset with some beams that you see move with the gun.
To me, it's a matter of how the gunner controls it. Many of the guns may be controlled via linkages, and for those, I believe it would be better to call them indirectly controlled.
Those "beams" are the cables and pulleys for control surfaces.
@RedTail1-1 I didn't know what to call them, and the ones I was observing looked fairly thick and ridged... if those are even the right descriptors.
10:26 be-6 looks dope as hell
Tell you what, if you haven't seen a P-61 in person... its freaking narrower than you think😂
Also, the SM91 has an MG151, and the SM92 has a 12.7mm for turret guns.
I still feel bad for that mistake in the opening with the Sm91 and Sm92. I think I got most things right other than missing one American plane.
I like these fixed pointed behind guns like if they gonna ever be useful in real
3:22 I always assumed this was a manual turret with a periscope like the Lancaster ventral turret, this is just what I assumed though I've got no clue
It's very similar in principle to that of the Lancaster, apart from motive power.
I think the operator is supposed to be viewing out of that blister window on the belly. I remember seeing it in a B-17 book.
12:10 On the B29 you can see a flat glass pannel on the bomb sight due to the curved glass causing distortion. That same distortion may be the reason why its not curved glass but thats just my theory
12:08 If you look carefully through the glass you can see that Gaijin modeled the controls for the guns rotating around as the guns move (but the gunner stays perfectly still because animation is hard). They look like they are basically just trigger extensions connected fairly directly to the guns themselves, with an aiming reticle suspended between them. It's possible to argue that this isn't a true remote turret in that sense, but if you're not directly behind and aiming down the guns it's not outrageous to argue that it's remote either. This really is a big fat grey area.
I had the most fun using the J1N1's rear turrets in ground RB, since the high speed of the aircraft made it possible to get enemies to bleed energy diving you, only to be met with a high density of gunfire, lighting their engines aflame as you leave them falling out the sky.
The bullet proof plate for the pilot, had also saved me multiple times from pilot snipes through the fuselage, that being when I was attacked from the rear.
Wish we have B52 variants in the game so we can have a remote controlled M61 Vulcan. (H variant)
That would be incredibly based
Radar guided Vulcan
WE COMPLETING FIELDS OF DREAMS WITH THIS ONE🗣️🔥💯‼️
I really enjoyed this video, I appreciated how you still mentioned turrets you were unsure about.
The British did mount remote-controlled turrets on a few Short Stirlings and Avro Lancasters, but they were not produced in large number. I do remember reading somewhere that the loss rate of planes with remote turrets were lower than those without, but there is information on this topic.
The P-61 was a night fighter so it was meant to shred anything considering the 4 forward facing 20mm cannons
1:22 BV 238 has turrets way out on the wings. Or did you just mean remote controlled ones?
I ment just remote turrets.
The Bv-238 does have the furthest turrets from the fuselage like you said :)
The p61 turret is actually the same system as the one used on the B29- to the point that from the beginning, most P61's were left with their turret removed because it was considered more important to put that 4 gun turret in its spot on the B29 rather than wasting them on heavy fighters. There's some guys out there trying to restore an old P61 to become the only display/flight grade P61 in the world, and the hardest part is trying to find one of those turret kits- i think someone had one but refused to give it up, instead demanding to buy the p61 off them.
2:20 in Reading, Pennsylvania, there is a P-61 "Moonbeam Lady" being restored to flying condition.
A few fun facts about the turrets on the P-61 & B-29: on the P-61, the turret could be locked in a forward-facing position and used as a fixed gun mount. And on the B-29, part of the remote turret control included a system that would allow a single gunner to slave multiple turrets to their controls, allowing, say, a waist gunner to control both the upper and lower rear remote turrets simultaneously.
love that you used grand budapest hotel soundtrack for this lol
Ju388 "don't leave me! It's my only chance to get noticed!"
5:37
The gunner sits above the turret and aims downwards or something like that, kind of like most down-facing machinr guns except its a turret
The B29 was really sci-fi for the time period and the cost was ludicrous
5:30. Badger jumpscare.
To add, the p61 was designed to be a might fighter. As such I believe the second guy in the cockpit is a radar operator
4:33 You missed the XA-38 Grizzly, which has a similar turret layout to the A-26B
This is a first time I heard that B-17 have remote control ball turret. I thought the crewed version was there from the start, except for the very early version which don't have underbelly ball turret and tail gunner, and have PBY Catalina-style side bubble windows.
As for the G variant, I knew it back in the 90's from British magazine Take Off. From that magazine I came to fall in love with the B-17, especially the F variant.
the B17 remote turret worked with the gunner in a belly laying position facing through the plexi glass done behind the turret, it was a pain to use from what i heard, so the ball was to replace it as it was more comfortable and practical then that.
No, it used a periscope in the turret, which is why the X-ray view shows the gunner right above the turret.
@wbertie2604 alright thanks for clarifying that always nice to learn something new
@@reapersteelwolf4327 You're welcome. Sorry if I sounded a bit harsh by being so brief.
The dome was to help with target acquisition as the field of view from the periscope was narrow so you needed someone to tell you where to expect the target in the sky, and tracking it was difficult. This was similar to the early B-25Cs with the potential for someone to aid in observation in the unarmed tail position on the Mitchell. But it meant that the ventral gun position effectively had two crew required to operate it unless one of the other gunners (tail, top, waist) could identify targets and had off. And even then you still were unlikely to hit anything.
Early Halifaxes and Lancasters had similar turrets which were also generally considered to be ineffective, although a few Lancaster crews seemed to like the mid-under turret as it was termed. With H2S, the centre of gravity and so on dictated it be removed. Other ventral options were available for the Lancaster and Halifax for those without H2S.
Correction.
P-61's gun turret controller is in the back seat only.
Front seats are the pilot * radar intercept officer
Will say the Lincoln’s turret is almost similar to the tail of the B-17 where the guns are offset from the gunner
Be-6 Gun is the NR-23, it is not used on the Tu-4 but the correctly Il-28 and also Tu-14, Tu-16, M-4, Tu-95
Yes! iv been looking forward to remote turrets!
The glass ball turrets that look extra small used by the japanese might just be their version of us using 5’6 crewman in our turrets. Imagine. 4’11 crewman in a little ball turret, or only putting his torso in or something.
Flying a Japanese plane at night in 1945 knowing the P-61 could be lurking anywhere must have been terrifying. Also imagine Germany held out longer, and the B-29 wave that would have been turning the nation back to the stone age. Not to mention the B-36 and how untouchable it was and would have been at its time of introduction.
I'd rather not imagine all that horrible outcomes of the war
@ Me neither, but in the end it is just a hypothetical, and one we have real people to thank for.
The P-61 Black Widow is a night fighter. The third crew member is the radar operator.
No XA-38? I mean it is very similar to the A-26, but the rear turret is in a different spot and the tail is split.
I miss flying my B-17s in War Thunder but I swear the wing models have gotten worse and it feels like so much easier to rip them... well that or getting rammed because "omg a bomber I hate it" :p
The ball turret was a simplification because if i remember they needed copper for submarines and well easier to make
Oh that's interesting
@TheIronArmenianakaGIHaigs they needed more planes ball is easy to make
It was more because the remotely sighted turret was awful.
@wbertie2604 that can be fixed the fact that you have to mame more now cant also propably a few reason excist
@@KauppaKomissaari They are both Sperry turrets with the same operating mechanisms, just different methods of control, So there's no significant change in required materials.
3:36 not German fighters but Japanese fighters figured out the front wasn't armed so that's where they attacked at later versions of the b17 fixed this with a single 50 in the nose and then the dual chin turret
iirc it was the eager beavers who had the initial idea for the forward facing gun in their B17 since they realized the Japanese fighters would attack head on
@MochaFen yes it was actually the Fat electrician video!
The idea for the video: All early radars(Up to rank V)
I've got a few more ideas but dang I didn't think about a dedicated radar video. There quite a lot of planes with radar that you wouldn't expect.
I'll note your idea down :D
@@TheIronArmenianakaGIHaigs 🤟
The Lancaster (is there a Halifax) should have a remote ventral turret option. If there was a Buckingham, then technically the front guns would be a traversable turret, but in reality always fixed. There should be two options for the Blenheim chin turret, but then the Bristol Mk. X top turret isn't offered either. If there had been a Warwick, it would also have remote turrets.
Not sure if you left it out intentionally, but the XA-38 has the same turrets that the A26B has but with a split tail
7:19 the bane of all AirSB players. Straight up cheats on that bad girl.
2:19 looks like an arc 170 from Star Wars
The lincoln one is not remote controled. He directly turns the gun with his movements by turning left and right. Remote controled for me would mean his input would have to be indirectly, through cabbles or something symiliar and not through direct contact with fixed parts on the gun.
7:00 in fact this fixed machine gun was used in the earlier He 111 and other german bomber planes. Controlled by the pilot for a kind of surperessing fire. Don't know how usefull it was...somewhere between porly and crappy..?
5:08
>Not that useful
I clear entire lobbies with that gun, while using my own plane as tail-bait. The quad machine guns are VERY useful
The SM.91s sci-fi turret is extremely good, I don't know what you're doing to not get kills with it.
It's a cool design but compared to some of the other turrets that can spin 360 and elevate 85 degrees. It's firing angles are aren't as good. It's not bad when compared to the fixed guns
I like how this guy says turrets
So i see you have the russian bagder emblem
The lincon doesn't have a remote control turret, the one you showed, when it fired the muzzle flashes lit up this like pivot handle thing that is attached to the guns, extending down to the gunner.
The Superfortress had a computer that calculated for you?!
Ju288 my beloved (it's getting buffed a lot this patch)
7:05 kruat space magic
i hear the angrybirds pig theme that i forgot the name of the game
I take the Blenheim out at any tier. Ive shot down lightnings and bombed out mauses with the 250lbs it gets
I was wrong - I thought the ventral turret in the B-17E was a Bendix as the B-25, but it was a Sperry, and unlike the B-25 turret with a periscopic sighting system, it really is sighted via the blister. I'm not sure what the person on the turret in the X-ray view is doing - enjoying the ride? In any case, it was still hard to hit anything with it.
Iron... you can't start the vid by incorrectly claiming that the SM92 has the same tail gun as the SM91. It has a .50 cal, the 91 has a 20mm.
I know I'm so sorry, I got most things right but start of on the wrong foot 😭
@@TheIronArmenianakaGIHaigs All right then xD I'm just a particular fan of the SM91 rear turret.
3:43 im pretty sure the chin gun was ment for japanese pilots as they were more widley know to exploit the weekness at the front
The chin turret comes from the experimental B-17 gunship variant, the YB-40 that flew over Europe.
It was a gunship that carried no bombs but had significantly increased defensive gun armament.
It was discontinued, but the features from it that were considered effective were simply distributed to the rest of the fleet by integrating them to the B-17G
The chin turret specifically was necessary as the earlier B-17s had a significant lack of firepower forward that was abused by both Japanese and German pilots.
Towards the end of the war, a head-on attack became the most common intercept profile for the Germans because it minimized their exposure to defensive gunfire and maximized the vulnerable areas of the plane (the engines and the cockpit)
0:24 sorry TIA. but im gonna stop you right there.
the sm91 is by far the greatest bait plane at its br. It may not get as good of bomb loadout as its younger brother, the 92. but it DOES get the best heavy fighter maneuverability in the entire tree and perhaps even the whole game.
the 20mm turret is ironically what really sets it apart from the 92, the 92 gets a godawful, completely useless gunner which is made worse by the smaller calibre of 12.7
the 20mm turret gets access to API and HE belts which will shred anything that accidentally mistakes it for a p38 lightning, which has ironically happened many times to me before
the sm91 gunner is possibly the best gunner in the entire game. with the IL series of planes you DO indeed get 12.7 and 20mm gunners but since the IL series are flying bricks and the sm90 series arent, this makes the gunner actually useful as you can dogfight and do tight turns or climb WHILE shooting the enemy in the face
i wish you could use the turret as a main gun on the p61
yo what's the background song at 03:05, i haven't heard it in a very long time and gives me nostalgic feelings.
It's from the Grand Budapest Hotle sound track.
@@TheIronArmenianakaGIHaigs Thanks, the reason it probably gave me nostalgic feeling is because i watched your vids years ago about tanks and other vehicles.
He forgot the xa38 and the a26c 45
Forgot the XA-38 dmh
now if only ai gunners did their job, idk if thats even a feature still in the game cuz i havent had a gunner shoot by themselves in years
Some turrets used mirrors i think.
I just got bad piggies'd by Iron :c
If only gunners and gunner controls were better and didn't suck, gunners only shooting within 200m makes them useless and when you control them yourself they converge at like 500m which makes a lot of them miss. Guns that really shouldn't overheat overheat alot and on top of that they also are ungodly inaccurate.
They need to increase AI gunner range significantly and also make it so that when manually controlling guns they are done smart and automatically converge to meet the target you're aiming at, could even make it based on gunner accuracy so that the higher the skill the more likely they are to properly converge the guns for you at the right distance. Gunners that aren't cannons also just suck, .50 cals and lower just do absolutely nothing.
did you overlay the soundtrack from the Grand Budapest Hotel into the background?
Yep :)
@@TheIronArmenianakaGIHaigs Nice, love that film and its music
Make every turret plane that's not a bomber
Bro forgot the amazing XA-38 real sad hours
Nobody Rmembers the XA-38.... real sad hours
This guy literally did plane review to Bad Piggies music 💀
I think the idea behind putting fixed MGs firing backwards in the engine cowling was to make it more problematic for a guy on straight six to go for your engines, as was often done.
U missed the xa38 i think but it's practically the same as the a26
What is the song called that starts playing at 03:00?? If been looking for it for ages…
Sm91 has the best turret, idk how u dont find it useful
Where's the XA-38?
Your right I missed it 😭
But thank you for telling me
@@TheIronArmenianakaGIHaigs One of my favorite planes 😔
I hate that can't clam most creator items because I'm on console, pain
Fun fact about the Be-6 is that its a cold war era design, hence the 23mm, and you can find a picture of a Be-6 being intercepted by an A-4 skyhawk
Cool.