Pivoting to the Endgame | Roger Hallam | Extinction Rebellion UK
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- Опубліковано 25 чер 2024
- Recorded in London, July 2020.
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"It's all going to be pretty relaxed, even though we're talking about the end of the world..."
End of the world??? dont make me laugh....this guy is a comedian. Nobody believes his nonsense....why else would every world government still be borrowing fifty years forward. Think about it before you retort.
You believe in fairy’s aswell moron?
@@spillarge The borrowing will never end. Our entire system is based on debt. Governments plan is to pay back debt by printing money. Even if there was a literal asteroid going to erase all life on earth, the debt would keep rising. Instead look at insurance companies. They are already starting to take global warming into their calculations. You might want to take a look at "Limits to Growth" or perhaps Nate Hagens "The Great Simplification". Physics is real and social collapse is an actual phenomenon. Collapses already happened in the past (vikings destroying Iceland, complex trade network breaking down during the Great Famine of 1315-1317, etc.). The difference is that this time the collapse will be global rather than localized. Oh and don't forget about anthropocene and the sixth mass dying we are going through. Human extinction is on the table.
when portland oregon had 53 wildfires across the state last summer, we had the worst air quality in the entire world.....and there was NOTHING one could do about it and clearer air was about 5 hours (driving) away from town and fires along the route.....and still many people have been able to mentally file it in their brains as a freak episode!
In other words Hallum is saying,"the time for sacrifices has come,sacrifice now and theres a chance some of us will survive,one the other hand,do nothing and we might all be sacrificed.
Started out a little slow, wondered about the numbers at first, but as the presentation progressed it got to be fascinating... and the logic is undeniable. which of course makes the whole deal much more scary.
@John Burrett Well then maybe you should go back and review it for comprehension. I'm sure it takes some people more than once.
Chuck Palahniuk - ‘It's only after we've lost everything that we're free to do anything.’
Roger Hallam is one of the great minds of our time. And this is Roger at his best. Don't miss this amazing talk!
Roger you are immense. Keep it up we need you.
XR took the safe route. #BeyondPolitics, #BurningPink. Rebel for Life!
@@cypress1337Yes they have.
Moving from the material to the spiritual, yes!
Worker owned cooperatives unite!
I got your 5 gallon organic almond butter stashed in a bear proof container - for the eco-apocalypse. thanks
Please NO. Idealism is the core of all issues in history. Let's stick to science.
Spiritual equals idealism in your mind? Interesting...
Perhaps you should examine your ideology.
Almond butter is okay, but the peanut butter stays best the longest (decades even).
Cheers! =)
This journey is long, probably a decade, we should be strong and stubborn. Major step: uniting the majority, starting by the global south, the most vulnerable regions.
great stuff. keep op the good work. love & peace.
Great talk Roger!
Whenever I have to go do something, Roger laughs, and I pause the talk, bc I cannot do without this guy's truth with this laugh! Thanks for incarnating, Roger, just as you are! Peace. (Or as Martha Graham said, "No peace. Just this blessed unrest." )
love him.
adore him.
so glad to see him here on xr's main channel again!
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missed you Roger
"Hope is a utilitarian construction" 🙌 utilitarianism is the 'why' in many societies, peoples reasoning etc. It has a stronger hold on us than rights ethics as well as the truth.
And yet many movements, social uprisings and wars in history were a sort of fire in the belly about things not at all utilitarian. How many angels could dance on the head of a pin. Or whether the communion bread actually became Jesus' body upon eating it. Or whether one stupid and inept monarch or another stupid and inept one should wear the crown.
@@singingway Or whether people should be allowed to own people as property? It isn't all about irrationality even when it isn't about utilitarianism. People who don't have severe ASPD do tend to have a sense of basic human rights even if systems of control have ways of numbing it.
Also: He is essentially instructing people to abandon hope. Isn't that what it supposedly says at the entrance to Hell? Not that I believe in a literal Hell, but is he a prophet or a pied piper?
@@Innocent_Villain If you have hope in God to come and save you, you will not act against the human evil that is before us, you are a zombie. Before Christ, we worshipped beauty, harmony, fruitfulness, Aphrodite. Fight for the humble bee and the tender flowers scent - so lovely you weep.
@@oliviaa.b.150 Fair enough. I'm not a Christian. I was raised by some and they were deranged destructive lunatics.
Thanks Roger so much to share with my networks. Herding is a real risk.
*Roger* this is excellent. Jiddu Krishnamurti is famous for the answer to his own happiness: _I don't mind what happens_ .
Excellent lecture. Great to see Roger in his element here, clearly having gone through several of the emotional shifts necessary to reacquire (or maybe maintain in Roger’s case) the cognitive capacity to assess the current dire circumstances objectively.
Terrifying!😬😬
Thoughtful and worth careful attention. Another example of where the clarity of the graphics is inversely proportional to the importance of the message.
Yes.
Getting the majority to do anything will probably be impossible
Whenever I think about herding I think about the famous experiment about getting hotel guests to reuse their towels. Most effective message: "most guests reuse their towel"
I wonder if there is some organized initiative inside XR, which would work alongside these thoughts. If so, please count me in.
Incredible. Thank you for this important lecture.
56:00+ I think the 9/11 was the Aussie fires. 1.5 billion of the animal fauna killed is a catastrophe. But the corporate indoctrinated government (calling themselves labour but they are definitely not on the left) play it down and separate the tragedy from the human canon of concerns. They don't even have to do this by active manipulation of the public psyche. They just have to let them believe that there is nothing the individual can do so it is not their place to do anything about the situation. These politicians will see firefighters bravely walk to their death and then blame the fires on imaginary arsonists. When in fact it is the venal big-oil grubbing politicians/plutocrats that have brought about the conditions for these fires to cause such devastation.
And so at the same time, to their venal benefit, they(plutocrats) have distracted everyone from their part in the conversation about how to mitigate the problem. And by blaming elements among the human demographic for setting the fires they again deflect blame from themselves leaving the public arguing among themselves naively searching for monsters in their community that don't exist. It's divisive. Designed to keep the common folk, the mob, at arm's length whilst the venal pocket profit from using the product that is causing the problem.
Note: (check stats for yourself to be sure)In the case of the Aussie wildfires, arsonists numbered no more than a dozen across 20000 square miles of scorched Earth. An average amount of arsons caught during an Aussie fire season and far from enough to be able to burn so much territory.
P.S. The Aussie gov even suggested that environmentalists were setting the fires to prove their case. That is definitely a sadistic attempt at creating monsters out of people who are actively trying to stop the world from burning. People who use innocent people like this are traitors to humanity and the world.
The Aussie govt is a liberal-national coalition. Labor is in opposition. Just to confuse the issue Liberals are actually right wing conservatives, and the nationals supposedly on the side of the farmers side with gas/coal/miners way ahead of farmers.
The mental health consequences of the governments psyops is to breed people who are willing to destroy life through ignorance, ego or greed.
I just heard it was 3 billion animals... from unimaginably huge to even more so
Australia has had far worse fires in the past.
Peter Edwards you need to check your facts. When exactly do you believe this happened?
To the Optimal Point folks, now.
Very refreshing! Such an important thing to aticulate - the need to shift from the utiliarian, materialistic driven herd mentality, to a place of prophetic leadership, where we are no longer motivated by what's in it for us, but rather what is right and true. And that this fearlessness is much needed, for others to follow. Great stuff!
Troll much?
Refreshing it is not.
Yes, yet the problem is that neither Roger nor any 'Genuine' ER/ERA radicals are either able or willing to recognize, acknowledge and collaborate with practical Visionary leadership to start doing The Solution. I guess that it's like all the other 'protest' paradigms of the last 60 years: Why co-create the solution ourselves when it's so much easier to protest and ask corrupt ecocidal maniacs (politicians) to fix everything for us?
Michael Monterey You obviously didn‘t study XR‘s principles. The 3rd demand is for citizens assemblies, that‘s exactly the co-creation of solutions you are asking for.
@Robin Sherwood You're actually right. Unfortunately this will fall on deaf ears for most. They need to realise that Capitalism and Communism are two sides of the same Materialist Shekel.
Also, read Linkola.
Hi Roger. Many thanks for sharing your thoughts. This talk brings clarity on relevant aspects of the drama and helps us to reconsider our behavior.
Roger, I absolutely see what you mean. The graphs are excellent and help me understand better where we are at as a race
Very enlightning talk. Thanks
Bravo Roger, bravo
Thank you Roger. Excellent talk. Now it makes sense that I feel the way I do.
Regarding hope, I think Vaclav Havel (author, poet, and former president of the Check Republic) captured it best: "Hope is definitely not the same thing as optimism. It is not the conviction that something will turn out well, but the certainty that something makes sense, regardless of how it turns out. …It is a feeling that life and work have a meaning. …There is only one thing I will not concede: that it might be meaningless to strive in a good cause."
I always liked that quote by Havel. Thx for bringing it up again.
Anyone have the link to the rising up talk he mentioned at the start? Thanks 😎🤘
That was an excellent talk/lecture. Thanks Roger.
That’s some brain washed shit
Giacomo Campanelli forever the karma chameleon shapes and perfectly moulds yr cultures to an art guiding the a-genda along
Sammála Gísli ✌🏻🤟
@@otheryoutubeChannel He's a smug self-congratulatory twit high on half-truth about the thought processes of the lower class and "herd" he despises (but is proud to say he isn't judging).
One thing about guys like that though, they're kind of like the old sadistic joke where a scientist cuts off a frog's legs one at at time, in between making loud noises to see if the noises get the frog to jump, and when he is finished, concludes "When you cut off all four legs, the frog becomes deaf". In other words, his destructive contempt for the actual objective reality of the people he would like to influence [and especially those he would prefer to write off along the way] won't necessarily stop him from getting the behavioral outcome he wants. For better and/or worse, and whether that outcome turns out to have anything to do with saving the species or the climate or not. He certainly has a little "herd" of admirers in the comment section.
*For example...*
*Roger "reality":* They're unintelligent, therefore they do drugs and get in trouble, therefore they are lower class.
*Actual reality:* They're stuck in the lower class, therefore they are stuck with third rate education and health care, which makes them appear to be unintelligent and drives them to drugs.
But the legless frog isn't jumping when the loud noises are made, so it must be deaf 🤦♂️
Love you Roger xx
An amazing talk. Hallam not only charts our predicament as far as climate change goes but he talks about heard mentality and the reason that XR has been less effective than it might have been or it might be.
herd mentality, for those who will read your comment and not realize it's a typo. as in a herd of animals herding together. Actually, that was the only point he made that I disagreed with. The cows wiling to get a little closer to the predator in order to herd together are acting very sensibly. It's the strategy of predators to cut one or two out of the herd, so it's worth an extra risk to be in the bunch. Strength in numbers and all that. Much safer than scattering. But that's an aside to his main point and isn't too relevant.
Is there a transcript or an article that sums up the talk? Definitely want to hear the talk, but cannot watch such a long video atm...
Why are we asking for citizens Assemblies, why can’t we just get them going?
Dear Claire - Thanks! That's exactly my point. We passed the tipping point in 2007. We now need direct, effective, constructive mass-cooperation to prevent our worst worst-case future. Over 110 coastal/riverside nuclear power plants are now at-risk of Chernoble+Fukushima scale disasters due to super-storm super-flooding. We also need to move about 70% of us & our infrastructure before the coasts are submerged--by 2025 to 2028. It would also be wise to start building hundreds of desalination plants & continental pipeline networks for water, not oil & gas. Yet, guess what: ERA & ER members don't care & don't want to think or talk about actually doing something to enable a best-case future for all. I guess it's just too easy to be negative and ask ecocidal politicians to solve our problem for us.
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"We also need to move about 70% of us & our infrastructure before the coasts are submerged--by 2025 to 2028"
So you believe in the next 5-8 years 70% of our present day coastal infrastructure will be submerged? We are nowhere near (MWP1a) because of various factors and even if we were your above assumption would be much more amplified, than Meltwater pulse 1A.
Yep. Just get them going. In the anarchist tradition known as 'Dual Power'. Creating our own structures within the shell of the old.
Citizen’s assemblies need to be recognised by government to be effective. CA’s with some kind of official influence will be better, that’s why the demand must be for Government to facilitate them. However, that doesn’t stop setting them up before they are accepted by Government. To assume so is a false dichotomy, we can do both.
I strongly agree.
I think it was Chris Hedges who spoke about "sublime madness"as that which sparks revolt.
(He may have been quoting Hannah Erent?)
interesting talk given Roger's recent denouncement from XR and the ensuing Beyond Politics action - the motives for the action
wait, where did the 5ºC 2050 locked-in consensus came from? (10:58) I haven't found it anywhere.
There's a lot of things the IPCC doesn't factor in (yet). They are like a minimal consensus that all governments agree upon.
I thought Roger Hallam wasn't supposed to be speaking on XR's behalf? What's his video doing on main XR channel?
"Everything is broadly ok I guess" lol
WOW... .BIG TA ☯️🗺️🎶😺🎵🌷
Oh, g-d. I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Why did this even make sense? Oddly, it does.
I'd like to propose a new paradigm for demonstrations. 1. Demonstrations can "demonstrate" something -- for example -- use Demand Energy Equality's workshop method, and have everybody build a notebook solar charger for their phone -- on the steps of whatever building we are disrupting. 2. We can achieve disruption and public education without the high price and loss of activists taken to jail and out of our movement for weeks or months -- (or in the U.S., years because protesters can be charged with domestic terrorism as a felony) by using "morning mist" demonstrations. Morning Mist demos are like a flash mob. They arise from nowhere, all at once, create a beautiful, striking, educational VISUAL, take photos for media and to post, share, then fade away like morning mist before the police can arrive.
"Which is really bad news... hAhAHaHAHA!!"
Could, somebody provide some refferance to the previous two talks he is mentioning in this lecture? And also can somebody point me too some literature that would discribe how he reaches the conclusion of 5°C by 2050? I am very academically curious about this
SUCH A PRIVILEGE being able to see & hear this mans most brilliant analisis of situation.
Yes.
Now lets be realistic; in old Sparta s winters the fields were covered by snow most of the time dec-march, Medcoast right? Temp as of today ;
Max 24C° Min 15C°
W.A.S.F.
Take care of yourselfs.
He is underestimating humans adaptability.
When the bees die, we die. Mans time on earth is but a second compared to it's existence. Why are we so special? With a few things gone we can't go on. Science is science.
interesting talk for sure ... but what are the implications for XR praxis ?
he's indicating that XR is not radical enough, or has succumbed to a level of institutional inertia, due to too many middle class people. how does the movement effectively reach out to the lower middle/upper working classes ? how does the movement destroy any notion of hope in people ? are XRs demands radical enough to actually address the challenge we face ? do we really expect citizens assemblies alone to manifest the momentous structural change that is needed ?
just questions - not a moral judgement ...
A simple concept. If you have never experienced a threat, you have no frame of reference to make a judgement about it. Reality is a collection of everything that we have previously experienced. It takes stepping outside of your experiences, which means that you must have a strong sense of survival and self-preservation to recognize that something can dramatically affect you. And, to keep in mind that nature is indifferent to our existence.
Prophetic transformation?!
Is there a war inside XR?
Absolutely agree XR has lost its way, sunk back into a reformist posture.
Absolutely agree XR must strive to become " super radical " which will require it to embrace/ invite/ surrender to upper working class/ lower middle class ( to use Roger's description) leadership.
Once again I plead with XR to launch
" no taxes" campaign.
WE will continue and survive ,by growing food in ac spaces.and underground cities.when i say WE , i mean about 50 milion people.
leaning forward is the only way, thanks?
Hi, XR. My husband and I want to give some XR talks out in the North West of Ireland. Could Roger or someone who knows where all this social science is coming from give us some references to find these graphs and studies? Thanks everyone!
Y'all need to read The Dune Trilogy.
lol roger - the concept you were after for a negative infinity was 'zero'; don't worry it took the rest of us a long time to come up with too. Another thing you have rediscovered on your own :)
Only 20 mins in and already commenting, soz.
@16:50 I assume he meant 2 to 4 thousand m above sea level and not hundred: otherwise I'm super confused by what he means there, as we can absolutely grow most crops from -200m to +2,000m above sea level. Otherwise, fantastic talk!
What is Extinction Rebellion? Do I have to Google it?
Yup
Roger has developed his presentation skills to a level where he can use "black humour" to make an important point...Clive Hamilton in his books (Requiem for a Species & Defiant Earth) looks at how we have failed to reorganize & reconfigure our society to deal with both Climate & Extinction Crisis...
«5C is already locked in» «We’ll hit 5C in 2050»
I think he's articulate but has a down to earth attitude with a sense of humour we don't need upper class condescending bollocks we need to look at our planet and how it could affect everyone's future
Have you ever met Michael Mann? He wrote the book The Madhouse Effect. = about climate change and going mad. Lol. Fitting title! Have you ever went on the Thom Hartmann Show? I bet he'd have you on his program! He talks alot about the CLIMATE CRISIS! THANKS FOR ALL YOU DO!
Costa Rica been running on 100% renewable energy for years, we don't get told this, we get told about America China India & us here the UK, I wonder how life is over there & how many other countries are actually forging ahead, just wondered, ime a Brit & my main concern is my backgarden, its the most important place right now. Lets clean this place up, lets change the way we live, the food we eat, lets set an example for our kids so that they know yeh we will build on this because this is real 🙂
looks like the drawings of a mad man
Excellent analysis Roger, although the criticism will be that there is nothing practical in this analysis. I think at the practical level we need to build community resilience through the development of community food gardens and mutual aid so that when the system collapses people will be able to support themselves. The sooner people start doing this the better off they will be when the 💩 hits the fan over the next several decades.
If his steep hill drop-off is correct, the livability of the planet won't give us much time to enjoy those community gardens.
@@singingway Yea I'm not terribly optimistic about the whole world abandoning the way of life that was made possible by capitalism, imperialism and petrochemicals for community subsistence and a reverence for nature, but we might as well try ;)
I see community gardens as reservuars, that can expand fast in the moments of big political change, so that such gardens grow everywhere. Let's remember that each plant has exponential grow potential too in the terms of seeds inside a gap in the ecosystem, and industrial monoculture can turn to semi-automated garden-like systems too - AI develops faster in those parts.
@@liam314 We give it up for socialism/communism. We don't have to abandon production, we have to regulate it so it is compatible with the environment. This is impossible under capitalism due to the overwhelming profit motive. Socialism requires no economic growth.
reduce this lecture to 'the emperors clothes' - more accurate and memorable.
Roger didn't explain how we'll be able to increase the number of rebels to reach the 3.5% threshold.
3.5% do believe and support XR, but have mistaken the map for the territory , thinking that protest is the arrival point, when the arrival Is a whole other area of independence m and solidarity
@@anakissedboyle3067 In the UK 3.5% would equate to 2.3 million rebels, and we are nowhere near that number.
dont use the terminology of Rebel, use instead positive sounding verbology like Hero, saviour Leader or enlightened.
@@fungussa yeah, 2.3 million rebel's on the streets of London,in the upcoming XR Rebellion. I personally think this is nothing but wishful thinking. If I'm wrong I will eat my hat.
@@-LightningRod- why are you telling people what words 2 use ? The English language has a vast number of words, people are free 2 pick & choose whatever ones they like or dislike.
Love your resolve. I just don't think humans are capable of concerted action in groups of 8 billion. Anyway your explanations are great and I don't know of any scientist who has actually shown where your sums are incorrect.
Well if there's at present 7 billion moving with the oil platform then surely that proves humans can act as a whole. There is only one part of society stopping us[edit] from switching to renewables. The venal master blaster OPEC family.
@Mohammad Rahman Yes. Testing to establish impossibility a priori before trying to save the planet tends to make it more likely that the planet will actually be effectively impossible to save, whatever details of trying to save it might be otherwise decided on.
@Mohammad Rahman Yes I agree.
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I knew about catastrophic climate change 20 years ago. It's also then I knew that I am in a minority that actually cared what was happening. Everyone else I knew could not give a fack.
This is a brilliant breakdown on why. One thing I really hate though is well known people of science keep saying that it will happen in a 100 years time. It's gonna happen NOW. Very likely within a decade. The media apart from politicians (corporate influenced) has a big role in playing in the demise of humanity.
There is at least 10 years of pretty intense heating already baked in (pun intended) due JUST to previous CO2 releases. Then there are numerous and widespread methane releases worldwide from natural sources like melted permafrost, free release of gas from sediments and underground sources, bogs, etc. We can't control any of these. They will continue and increase exponentially for many decades.
So, go ahead and do what you think would help but don't get attached to outcomes.
For better and/or worse, some outcomes could probably be geoengineered if necessary. But both the advocacy of resignation and at least some of the strategies of mitigation being advocated are at least partly due to disingenuous "elite" sociopaths more interested in their own power, money, and property than the planet or the human species. Everything including "detachment from outcomes" should be taken with a grain of salt.
@@Innocent_Villain Drivel. Say something sensible.
@@kimweaver3323 I don't care about your opinions of what is sensible or what is drivel; I was speaking in general and not for you personally. That applies to this too. Good bye.
Also, not specifically for the op personally but in general, peer review is effectively peer pressure, specialization is effectively compartmentalization, and you can be very sharp in your specialty without popping your own bubble.
I was a science nerd before I was forced not to be; I am too exhausted right now to go farther into the specifics of that, even if I were better prepared, but that is irrelevant to the general point.
@@Innocent_Villain WaaaaaWaaaaa wailed the pitiful snowflake. Run boy, run.
Most useful climate change video I've ever seen.
I still cant get my head around why the purpose of a Citizens Assembly is to try to get the government to enact laws to tackle climate change, when, in the UK,we haven't even got the basic laws in that says any decision of a citizens assembly MUST be incorporated into law! Surely thats the very basic thing we need to ask for first, or everything else is just striving against the wind, failing that we need to stand for power ourselves,along with like minded friends and one campaign to achieve that would be to expose the corruption, not just of the ones in power, but their paymasters!
(around 47minute) - He says Mensheviks were the majority, which is very wrong. Even the word itself means minority, as in fact the Bolsheviks were the majority (while none held qualified majority within the RSDLP).
I think the main thing to recognise is that 1917 was an attempt by the working class to bring about Global Revolution that failed. The outcome was Stalinism. However, a very different trajectory was possible. The working class organised in their own structures - the workers councils could have taken power in Germany (it almost happened) and beyond. This was the original Bolshevik position - All power to the Soviets (councils). This remains the revolutionary alternative we need to adopt. We need to recognise the Stalinist monstrosity was the gravedigger of the failed revolution, not its intended nor inevitable outcome.
It’s pretty amazing how rebellion is so necessary in our current situation.
I dispise it when people say, things will get better, this is just temporary for X time we just got to get through until X then it will be all alright again. That is the very thinking, the very false hope that has gotten us to the utter shit show of today and i am not just talking about our changing climate i am talking about almost every shit show government decision we have been applying this 'hope thinking' too for decades upon decades.
No things will not, get better, this is not just some period we need to endure then we will come out the other side and all will be well again, shit is/has/will always continue to spiral downward, the _Powers that shouldn't be_ will always trend to make decisions that make the majorities lives worst not better.
The whole system, our whole societal structure, our entire value system, our whole way of thinking and relating to ourselves and our planet needs such a radical and transformational shift actually operating within this current system is never ever going to change it in time before we wipe ourselves out with War, Famine, disease or the Planet itself just squishes us like the malignant microbe we are.
Hoping things are going to work out is literally a Hopeless waste of your energies, you might as well just Wish things were better all the good it actually will do to change your physical reality.
Thought this guy was Jeff Lawton at first.
More often than not it’s the predator which wins, were a predator hunting another predator and were they were equal in all respects less the instinctual knowledge on the part of the hunted, the hunter would win just about every time. It would just have such advantage and it wouldn’t be enfeebled by sentiment or an anticipation of guilty feelings, it would not suffer nightmares or worry about how it’s offspring could regard it.
I refer you to the royal coat of arms.
Once we accept our inevitable fate that humanity suffers when it hits the global heating climate crisis wall & free ourselves from the impediment of all hope as the false hope of bargaining with our certain fate then we are free to enter a prophetic transforming that embodies truth for its own sake & fights the fight of ecstatic release from the herd's mechanisms.
Roger Hallam has demonstrated some admirable qualities in cofounding and driving the XR movement forward. However, as a retired atmospheric scientist, I feel duty bound to point out that his scientific expertise isn’t one of them - I’m sure he would be the first to acknowledge this! There are a number of misrepresentations and misunderstandings of climate science conveyed in this talk. Please make use of the expertise in Scientists for XR. They are in a position to support the quality control of media content before it is released for general consumption.
Please can you tell Roger that there is a group of people called artists ,which are supposed to be very sensitive people . And they can speed up the process of awakening because the word needs to be spread ...please approach artists to raise funds and spread knowledge to defend Earth and life on it
Can we just pivot you out through the exit please? Global climate systems are controlled by sinusoidal wave function and harmonics because we live in a world with a high hydrogen content which exists in three states unlike CO2 which can only exist in the atmosphere as a gas. Therefore its fluid dynamics. Somebody help him to pivot over to the exit.
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Excellent talk... and I have zero idea what to do with the information.
I agree. I've even shared this talk and almost never get any replies, likes or anything... just utter silence. It's as if the majority of people are either numb, dead scared, bewildered or just sucking on their popsicles. Perhaps they're just shtum; not knowing how to respond.
But as you say, this is an excellent talk, and very important to grasp the entirety of its meaning, in my opinion.
BlowJob is not Hitler but he's practicin well enough
Forever/Now,
the point in Time,
We were racing to find.
Why don't you talk with Guy McPherson?
Because Guy McPherson is as deep in his illusion of no hope as the moderates are in their illusive hopes that we can solve this without disrupting our comfort.
what prevents us from getting with the greens until they get into power, then bringing them to more radical positions?
Anyway, i didn't understand a thing: why must we wait until eco 9/11 to hope there's change? could we try to help the reformists before this event as long as it's a more acceptable way of thinking?
Don‘t rely on governments alone. Voting does not suffice any more. Additional citizens‘ assemblies are mandatory.
I suppose he's going with the Milton Friedman theory that only crisis produces real change 😉
just turn up the air con - duh
This is too important for this guy to not have his program together. He needs to master his graphs, especially if they're freehand created, and he HAS to stop the nervous laughs, and needs to get his analogies to be more practiced. He seems to making it centric to him being really familiar with his info and his difficulty expressing it in the best way to generate the fear he needs to stimulate the hippocampus to signal observers to be optimally afraid. He must be more dire.
My thoughts exactly. The important message could be so much clearer if a couple of people helped Roger to shape it up a bit. There seem to be some excellent communicators in XR can anyone help him out?
I like his graphs and I like his sense of humor and his laughs. His topic is so serious that it helps to release some of the tension. He's also often teasing himself. I believe the talk, in general, could be more streamlined but all in all the points he made were excellent.
I couldn't disagree more. Roger is who he is. And thank god he is who and what he is. Roger is the only one articulating this important information in the glorious way he does, too distract people away from this by picking holes in his style and on occasion his geniune and glorious imperfections and human qualities is to miss the point all together. It's the precise reason Roger is for real. If he ever turned up in a suit and adopted polished corporate speak or marketing jargon I'd be unable to watch it knowing it was fake.
People are already panicking -- on one level or another. Triggers go both ways: some engage, others disengage.
His manner/delivery are both genuine and informative. This is an attempt to make an audience intellectually grasp the gravity of the situation.
The intellectual informs the emotional facets of people and their decision making.
Roger is Roger, let's maybe accept him for the person he is.
Me, irm a misanthropist! Wish I could help ya. Xx
You should watch dan o'reilly predictably irrationality.
Hello Roger. A comment. i might say first that i do believe that we are in the middle of climate change and that I do have changed (and still learn) my personal habits as much as possible, to consume a minimum of energy and to live in a sustainable way.. So..
First I d like to say that I find it difficult to find out about your sources (knowing its a movement and not you personally, but somehow there need to be a consensus on this, right?)
so where do the numbers come from, doubters do classify your claims as assumptions, why not systematically write below any publication, written or spoken (for any member speaking) the references so that people can check and in a way where you actually dont need to search for it!
2nd - the shock factor of 'you better believe it or die' is so frontal, that people are busy with their psychological resistance (which is absolutely how people function) so knowing this it, wouldnt it be possible taking people from there, where they are?
Read virtuous circles Andy jones and pimbert
Virtuous circles are exactly what we need 🙏
I think humanity is heading to extinction or a bottleneck event due to endocrine disruptors. What we should be talking about is everyone dying with sudden death, rather than gradual population collapse, which is going to happen anyway. We talking about ww3, ww4 and so forth, which imo won't happen gradually and will destroy any chances to stop the situation from developing further. Tbh now I see my view is way more pessimistic than the stance of extinction rebellion which is scary.
LONG COMMENT: But, the more complex the issue, the more lengthy the talks need to be.... Another human/mammal weakness (not being able to keep focused)
There are some out there talking about simple numbers in movements are not enough... especially in the U.S. The missing ingredient has been NOT describing EXACTLY what demands the movement wants. So, in this case, there needs to be leaders with an ordered list of exact steps that are needed to be able to make the dramatic changes that are needed. As an analogy, if some kids start "whining" at their parents, and don't SAY what they're wanting or complaining about... the parents just get irritated and immediately dismiss them and even get mad and retaliate. But, if a kid clearly says, "I'm hungry. I need a healthy salad. I'd also really like a nap. Also can you stop smoking... it's hurting my lungs." Perhaps... just perhaps, it might ring much more clearly.
In relation to this, what some really smart people need to do is figure out HOW to make the transitions needed. We can all run around saying things like, "We want change.", or, "There's Global Climate Change", etc. But, we've all got to really dig into DETAILS on what scenario WOULD WORK. So, we need to work out how 7 billion people COULD theoretically survive, going into the future, without pumping out mass pollution, etc.
That's just how I see it. Because all this time, as a semi-disabled and only moderately smart person with literally ZERO influence, I seriously don't know what to do, other than try to not use as much energy. I also bought a Prius. Anyway, I hope this note is somewhat useful.
XR are asking for a citizens' assembly as this enables multiple groups to align under one set of demands. It's not us that need to come up with solutions, which then get pulled apart. We have scientists among us but we are not a scientific outfit. All that work is already done/ being done (check out the Drawdown Project), we just need governments to agree to do it, and the wider population to back this, which can be elegantly and fairly done via the mechanism of a citizens' assembly.
You made some really important points. Thank you. However, there is one factor you left out of your argument which will arguably alter the outcome dramatically. That factor is: adaptation. For instance, the first time the wet buld temperature gets above 35C or 95F then say 25% of the population dies. This then would cause a lot of people to build underground homes where they would be shielded from those conditions in the future. Another example is: When an area floods regularly people who continue to live in that area build their homes on tall pilons or stilts.
Also, another slight error you made was saying that the hottest we have been in the past is 23 deg C above where we are today. Actually according to dozens of studies the hottest the Earth has ever been happened about 55 million years ago where the temp was as high as 12C above where we are now. This period is called the PETM, or Paleocene Eocene Thermal Maximum. About one third of the planet was largely uninhabitable to mamals at that time as indicated in the fossil record, but there were places on Earth where the conditions were in the habitable range for mammals. If this had not been the case we would not be here now.
This being said, I want to say that you are doing a great and important job and my hat goes off to you. I'm doing what I can. I've lowered my ecological footprint by 80% over the past 5 years. Interestingly, I now don't have to work as much as I did because I have very few bills. My life is maybe only 80 or 90% as comfortable as it was, but I've cut the hours I need to work for money by about 75% so I have a much better life overall.
Why don't you run some candidates with teeth (no criticism of Jill or Howie) to run in the Green Party. In America, it's harder because we don't have a Parliment, and the State requires 3rd parties to get thousands of signatures each year in at least 26 states to get on the ballot!
You”d only be adding to a system that doesn’t work
I’m not sure what I take from your talk Roger except that XR is in danger of becoming an English middle class NGO like WWF. I’m looking forward to XR coming off the fence and telling the public the true about how fucked we are. If you refuse to do so then another more radical organisation may come along to replace XR.
I don't think XR are in danger of becoming a white middle/upper middle class NGO. In my opinion they are already a predominantly white middle/upper middle class organisation.why does roger ridecule the lower working class , uesing derogatory & bigotedlauguge ?
@@nikis6535 > Yeah, sadly, impotent rants & whining are so much easier than being part of the solution of any problem.
@@keithayre5110 > And a tiny minority of them at that, even more so of the 99.999% of us who would probably like a least worst-case endgame scenario.
@@mlmimichaellucasmontereyin6765 you are entitled 2 you're pro-XR biast opinion.
@@mlmimichaellucasmontereyin6765 you are entitled to you're opinion. I am all 4 freedom of speech. I also don't mind people criticizing my opinions. Life would be so boring , if we all think the same thing about everything & anything.
Not sure why this doesn't have a lot more views.