How HARD Can We Push This MONSTER END MILL???
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- Опубліковано 22 кві 2022
- Epic CNC Machining Test on the Monster 5 Axis. How Hard and Fast can we push a Monster 1.0” Dia KOR 5 End Mill from Kennametal. Watch as we push this tool to the limits and then show you how to calculate the spindle torque and horse power so you can do the same on your machine.
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Just wanted to thank you guys for changing my life. During pandemic I had to drop out of college due to some medical reasons and I was lost. I was not sure anymore what to do with my life, and then I found you guys. The passion that you put in each video, was amazing. I could feel the energy, the passion, and you “pushed” me into the marvellous world of cnc machining. I went and bought a small cnc and I started training myself. Now, two years later i can’t thank you enough for what i achieved. Got a couple of small projects, found work in the industry, regained my purpose in life and finally got stable again. I can’t thank you guys enough. Love your videos, keep it up.
WOW Cristi,
Thank you for sharing. That’s Incredible.
Keep up the hard work and keep in touch. You should join our Facebook Group so we can communicate and watch your journey… BOOM!
Have a Great Day,
Titan
Awesome, brother! Thanks for sharing! And like Titan said, come hang with us in the Facebook group!
Lol sure
@@R2mustdie666 i can provide proof if needed 😊
@@TheJustme97 Don't listen to him. Focus on the positive. I watched Titans video about 3 years ago while I was doing dead end jobs. I now own my own LLC and I make $12 more an hour than I did back than. My LLC is just a Tormach, but it's been amazing so far. There are soo many possibilities. Keep your head up, work hard. Everything I've put into this trade, I've got back 3 times more. This is the best trade in the world. Best of luck to you, I hope you have a good life.
Your video editor is doing some great work. A mix of professionalism and YTP; informative and entertaining.
These MASSIVE test cuts are amazing. What do you think of doing something similar on a lathe? Huge Ap, Fz, and SFM figures would look and sound awesome
Badass. Love the videos, love the videography, love the energy between all you guys. Videos are always informative with a fun twist. Much love and gratitude
Great energy guys!! I got into the kor5 da around a year ago thanks titan, it’s incredible, I’ll never dink around with the usual carbide roughers again. I’m Profiling 6061 at 3XD great, and it somehow works fine as a finisher.
What is this man I was so sad when the video ended that you took me to another world.... Thank you Mr. Barry and Mr. Titan for this beautiful video
Boom !!
Hello everyone, your videos are great, thank you to your whole team, I work with CNC, greetings from Azerbaijan 🇦🇿
The production value and editing of these videos has come a long way, you guys are great. Keep up the great work!
Absolutely amazing that’s all there is to it. That spindle didn’t even sound like it was working! Incredible just absolutely incredible!!!!💥💥💥
Hearing the chips and coolant rain against the door is frickin insane!!! Only think missing from the video is the beautiful smell of coolant. Love watching your videos that push the limits of tools and machines. Thanks!!
Makes me HAPPY😁
Just a quick editorial feedback... I feel this Graphics i see in the video is awesome!
My personal first time seeing this type of "empowerment of message" graphics - is Brad's "It's alive" From the channel Bon appetit !
Please, keep up it, awesome progress in trying to keep the graphical energy up with Titan! :D
Great content! Thanks for sharing your experience! Very valuable for newbies like me! Charges energy and desire to do something! Thanks
TITANS !
Titans you never cease to amaze me with your skills as machinists. Like they said it top gun. Right to the edge of the envelope
Coming from running cutterpaths on large 60 horse Droops cutting P20.....roughers....flying....just like he says..."boom!!!" Good memories. Good experience, worked up to finisher on large Tarus Gantry Mills....IPs...and bumper covers...miss it
5:59 lmaoo Snoop Doggy Dogg with all the smoke! 😆 That machine is a beast and so are the tools. I mean, how do they just _not_ *snap* right off with so much lateral force. Must be some rly special carbide recipe.
As a 20 year old machinist with two years of manual machining and about 6 months of cnc machining under my belt with Fusion 360, Titans of cnc always blows my mind with the combinations of RPM and IPM you guys can hit with those machines. You fellas have helped me learn some of the more subtle things when it comes to the world of mastering metal. Maybe one day ill get to try my hand at machining some K500.
Truly superb video, although I am a milling cutter maker, I still really enjoy your work. Thrilled every time, you are truly amazing
Thank you that means a lot
this is the most educational and eye opening Comedy show! This world is really blessed with you guys!
I wish I could have the opportunity to work for Titan and his shop!! I would have stayed in machining for the chance to work with guys like this!!
What are the details for the spindle in this machine? Model number, number of bearings, the exact bearing lubrication system being used, etc. Is this an H200 spindle with an H200-S16 motor? I love the MRR, and the speed, but the really intriguing part for me is the machine itself, and it's associated total cost of ownership based on how it is used. I also love that machine cloud app calculating the torque curves and graphs. Please provide more information on that app. You guys really get me thinking about so many details. I don't know if I want to be a machinist, or a machine repair technician, or perhaps a spindle rebuilder. Y'all make me nuts man. Boom.
Awesome video! I got to meet Titan and get a pic with a signed poster at IMTS in 2018, real cool dude!
Jason does incredible work !
Is the most amazing operation that I have ever seen, thanks
Make sure you subscribe! We do something crazier every video! Thanks for watching!
I love that nuclear alarm sound before the most powerfull cut i have every seen in my life. if I were to let the machine run on such parameters, I would probably get a heart attack 😂
Me too… Love the Alarm🔥🔥🔥🔥
Fantastic vibration guys, killing it, Love you both Titan and Barry👍
Love ya back 😂
Titan I know you are about production and love all the content. I keep see a commercial for the MR-1 machine. It’s for the hobbyists but is still more money that most hobbyists can risk. Would you consider doing a product review on the MR-1 CNC mill. Thanks for your time
I am from malaysia ..its really cool to see what titan do project..if i get to learn from u all is the best ..
Point made I like how you said miscollector we have that problem on our shop too but we're working on that but you know what when you get s*** done you figure it out...!
very cool throwing the types of running electric motors in there (Sx). we had different problems tho. some mills we have are very old or underpowered so they often can't handle the power or load on the machinebed. they are cheap ... which seems to be the most important thing to our boss
l was wondering tho: l learned that you should run a motor at the given speed and or power. otherwise electrical machines become less efficient. having a huge ass spindle that runs on barely any load unefficient?
@@leonschumann2361 So you are right that motors lose efficiency with lower speed. In a AC induction motor, torque is the main loss which you need for a good cut in metal. However, overall efficiency for induction motors is about the same from 40 to 120% or rated speed with a small rise around 100%.
This will vary from motor to motor and type of winding (brushed, brushless, induction) but it's very cool to find the sweet spot of your machine that gives you the most torque possible
The Sound when the Spindel turned on. Damnnn epic shit
Awesome video! Glad to see the dream realized and the tools ran hard like we intended 😎
Hahaha BOOM Steve
Hey titan love your vids. i want to know the diffrance between the Seismens And the Heidenhain controller
This is almost like trying out a Top Fuel dragster for taxi but I love it. Keep it up! :)
Nice demonstration of expanding possibilities. It's beneficial to know your cutters limits; always hated that sick feeling when an expensive carbide endmill snapped at the end of the flutes.
Man ive been THERE a time or 20,000
Thats why its kinda nice theres a UA-cam channel that tests this stuff so that you dont have to 😂
I need an ibarma !!!! I don’t even work or run a cnc shop. Man this machine is intense!!
Fun thing about AL no speed limit. In fact HP required actually drops at a high sfm. I read this some 40 years ago in a high speed machining research paper.
Thank you point made!......... Awesome guys.. 🆒
I'm a car painter & This stuff gives me a chub !
Great video guys!!! Wish Steve and I could have been there.
For real! Get your priorities straight 😂😂
The one company I used to work for they didn’t care about whether or not the spindle could handle it. We were cutting aluminum and they would run 20,000 rpm 360 ipm with a 2inch facemill and the spindle would spike at 130% load and when the inserts would get dull it would get even higher. It was a roughing op so it would run for a good 15-20min because it was a big part that needed yo be roughed way down. There were so many chips we literally would fill almost 2 chip bins and these were good size chip bins too
After watching several of your videos and see your programming, I'm wondering if you still use G41 (radius compensation) w/o writing the tool radius in the tool table ;-)
It is of course possible, but it's not how it is intended to work...
However, I'm just curious...
You are amazing. I wish you to do training lessons on the Edgecam simulation program
If the lesson is simple,
I work in the field of turning rolls, but unfortunately I do not know how the program works
Bridgeport machine, titanium material 6x5 by 5 high. External roughing 4 3/4 deep on 3 axis. What's the best tool?
Love it, thank you!
Hey guys. I have a question! WHAT VIDEO EDITING SOFTWARE DO YALL USE TO PRODUCE THESE VIDEOS??? Look forward to hearing back from you. Thank you.
You Cats are some Hard M/F!!!
Nice to see the Pros pushing the envelope and advancing the tool development. Reminds me of my first boss (RIP), he loved pushing metal removal.👍👍🤙
He was ahead of his time...
I ran some go drills the other day and they shop owner was like that's way too fast for the speed and feeds numbers but the tool lasted and we did a lot of holes in series in 1018
feed was 25 IPM and speed was 3600 without thru spindle coolant
That’s Awesome,
Time is money.
Tell your boss I have a cool video he should watch. Show him this message.
You can run a (1/2) drill at 460 SFM and .014 FPR which gives you a feed of 50 IPM. And put your peck at 2-3XD Peck in 1018. I do it in this video in 4140 which is harder than 1018. ua-cam.com/video/gI_fGqIrXNY/v-deo.html
When you start dreaming and realizing what these tools can do and quote the tools into the job… and run to a premium safe advanced level. You start making good money, having fun and your culture in the shop goes up. Isaiah, I love seeing you in our Facebook group and seeing you ask questions and share experiences. Show your boss this message because it’s the key to your company making good money. These are the techniques we used to become SpaceX’s top job shop. BTW: He should also bump your pay a bit. Bringing great info, having a great attitude. Your the new breed that is what makes companies better.
BOOM!
Titan Gilroy
I wish we would get the mist collectors. I keep telling them to get them. It makes the air so much cleaner. Crazy video.
We’re going to have a deal on them in the month of May
Love the videos but you should rough out a big Block like that untill it breaks to see how long it'll last at something like 500 mrr. Cus thats better than some insert mills I use if it'll last through roughing a 2ftx2ftx3ft mold it's sold
Ibarmia +right cutter= titanic machining😛
That is an impressive machine and tooling. Barry's content at the end, is a valuable piece of information. In fact, it has more value for a Tormach than it does for the big machines. At the day job, most of my work is one off and small lots of dozen maybe. At home, I have my 1100M toy run around. I found early on with that light machine that knowing the MRR capabilities with availible hp was the first piece of the speeds and feeds puzzle for a light machine. Know what potential is and alter LOC,DOC, chip load. For the 1100M, as long as I stay within 80% availible hp, at the spindle. Seems to run about 85ish% efficiency in power transmission. I wrote a spreadsheet just for the sanity checks and it has yet to fail me. With some finesse, I've gotten 6ci/min in aluminum. Which according to the math, shouldn't be possible. So I'm obviously calculating conservatively.
amazing Maschine i love it ❤
Hey titan, have you tried using compressed air from behind the camera towards the cut? I was thinking it may keep fluid and chips from getting close to the lens. May improve viewing clarity of cuts and protect the camera from chips scratching the lens over time. I don't know, just thinking out loud. What you think?
We tried it, but the coolant and chips are way too strong
That thing is badass lol that thing eats an eats an eats lol. I wonder what the breaking mrr is ? do you guys know ? Didn't know doosan was on top in cnc machines. That's awesome. Happy for you guy. Great video
Hahaha, we didnt find the breaking MRR yet. But we will keep hunting LOL.
Is an MQL system useful for filming? You could get at least decent lubrication and still get nice video footage since it doesnt block the view like flood coolant.
this series cracks me up cause these are the typs of wild cuts my boss likes to take lmfao
These are good videos
hi, titans
I like your videos and even more like your passion for sharing technology
May I ask the upper limit of the spindle torque and power of s1 and the corresponding spindle speed?
Does the spindle have a gearbox? What is the ratio?
I want to calculate the cutting conditions
thank you
Hi Aaron. The high limit of S1 power is 99.2 HP from 4,000-8,000 RPM. The high limit of torque is 221 FT-LBS between 0 and 2,000 RPM.
@@barrysetzer Hi Barry
The cutting conditions I calculated are as follows
D=25.4mm
N=8280rpm
Vc=660.7146342 M/min
Vf=12700 mm/min
Fz=0.306763285 mm
Ae=8.509mm
Ap=76.2 mm
Net cutting power = 96.0691627 kW
Required torque = 131.2481493 Nm
MRR=8234.49966 cm³/min
The condition has exceeded the spindle s1 specification
The cutting conditions are really great, and there are very few conditions that can be adjusted
Although the torque condition is 299.63622 Nm 0-2000rpm, I don't know how much the torque drops at 8280rpm
If the torque can still be adjusted upward, and the power of the spindle S6 has not reached the upper limit
It may be possible to increase the cutting amount per edge to improve the removal rate
Or use DLC-coated cutting tools to reduce friction to improve cutting efficiency
Or replace the tool with a larger diameter and increase the Vc to more than 1000 M/min, which can also reduce the unit cutting force of the aluminum alloy, and the engagement angle will also decrease due to the large diameter tool
The above are just theories, I really want to try if I have the chance
thank you for sharing
True Masters of CNC !
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Thanks
Did you see the new shirt that I was wearing.
Texas… CNC Expert edition😁
@@TITANSofCNC first no, i didn't notice that. Now i see Texas map on your right sleeve shirt 🤠
What was the spindle load at 500MRR?
I don't know how thankful iam for you people I really love everyone in Titans of CNC you people are inspiring millions of young machinists, I've learnt a lot from this channel I never knew I would have my own shop , just because of your motivational videos I got pumped to get into this industry now that I have everything still I'm facing difficulties to get orders , I'm facing very hard to atleast pay the rent , so if u people could give me some advice abt which direction I have lead it would be a great push for me ... I would like to mention that I'm from india , recently I've lost my father and this was his last dream to see me have my own shop , the reason I took all these risks at the age of 23 is just because him and the love I had about this industry ,I never want to walk out of this ... Please give me some advice so that I can come out this situation ....
Hey mate, my best advice at least here in the UK, is look at what sells, and do it better. Marketing, product, service, everything. Then you will sell out. Send products out to people who have an audience. Alternatively if you're running a job shop then make those phone calls and don't stop!
What holder is that with the coolant spraying on the flutes? Do they make a cat50 version?
Yes. The holder is a Kennametal Hydroforce. But its the collet that has thru coolant
Take a look at 1:49 to see the coolant holes
I'll have to check them out Monday. It's rare I get to push the spindle on the okk near 100% so far only when I used a 4" insert cutter ramping a blind 7.9" hole 4 inches deep have I been able to truly work it.
Beast mode bro! Thanks for watching!
Any chance you could do this KOR5 cutter on a continuous programme at these high MRR's.
As in most shops we don't talk for 10 minutes between cuts polishing our halos. 👍😁
Haha, if you watch closely, youll see the Solidworks shot of the part that im about to make using these exact parameters. Stay tuned
@@barrysetzer I am waiting with some high hopes of a great video.
@@barrysetzer Yeah I saw it and was hoping that that was what you'd be cutting at that MRR.
I'm staying tuned... :)
@@danl.4743 Yeah, I wonder. Pit bull clamps work really good when used properly. Even so, I can't imagine taking this cut they are doing holding that huge chunk of aluminum with only little pit bull clamps holding it at the bottom. Who knows though, they might work but who would dare to try it?
Would it be possible to take same cut in Z direction with out rotating head.
X and Z
Absolutely, especially if youre running coolant
Bro.. can you make a video, how to make a mags of motorcycle scooter, made from alloy using your machine..
Have you seen the modig cnc machines? They have a 295 HP spindle machine
I have, and I WANT one
@@barrysetzer i wanna play on one and see how much it can take before it breaks xD
Unreal! Our little Tormach 1100 surprised me the other day with a little .1875" 3 flute LakeShore carbide running 70 IPM with a .200" DOC but only .020 radial, it decided it thought the hole from the next operation was already there during an adaptive clearing op and just DOVE into the 6061 I was milling and did a .500" diameter hole at full speed at .200" DOC! The endmill survived!
The morale of the story is, they can eat more than you THINK! Haha!🍻
#cncnewbie
That’s great.
Search Tormach on our channel…We have a ton of cool videos showing what is possible.
@@TITANSofCNC will do!
You mean Lake*shore* Carbide?
What RPM?
@@danl.4743 haha, oops yeah lakeshore lol. It was at full RPM of 5000 on our machine. I certainly wouldn't do that on purpose haha!
As a manual Machinist/Welder doin one off's n repairs I ABSOLUTELY FUCKING LOVE THIS SHIT!!!!!!!!!!
FUCK YERRRRR FROM AUSTRALIA!!!!!
I take it the tapered roller bearings are massive in that spindle plz show us
Hey titan,
How do you calculate how much your vice can hold when taking cuts like that? Or do you have another clamp or dovetail that I’m not seeing?
Thanks
These vises are equipped with some special Schunk jaws that have 6 rows of teeth. They dig into the material (and they offer carbide tipped versions that even dig in to inconel) so that there is FAR more holding force than what our cutters put into the part
@@barrysetzer
Nice
Do you feel they work better than the pit bull clamps
Amazing!!!! God I love it
Hi. You are best
Just being nice and you guys have some really cool tools..... K
I want to send Titan my resume. I want to work for people like this. Titan, let's make chips!
Take a shot whenever this guy says boom
Does anyone have any idea what I could do as part of my thesis as a polymechanic? I have to construct a part myself and then machine it. The time required should be about 15-30 hours. I have a 5-axis machine and or some 3-axis machines available. The part should not be too big and preferably made of aluminum. Do you just have a good idea what I could do that is not too difficult but stil makes fun to do?
Plenty of ideas! Are you a part of our facebook machinists group? If you posted this question there, you would be flooded with answers
Check out 3:15 in this video
What was the chip thickness on the biggest cut?
Hi Cyber, it was .0125"
@@barrysetzer oh wow that’s quite a chip
i wonder how big the power cord is on this beast of a CNC
The largest V8 put in a production American car was a 500 cubic inch or 8.2 liter engine put in a Cadillac. Imagine Titan machining the cylinders of that monster engine every minute.
I drove one of those old caddys years ago and aint nothing like the torque of a low rpm BIG block! I currently own a 85 chevy K30 with a GM HT502 big block crate engine with the tremec TR4050 5 speed, yea its terrible on gas but super fun to drive and tow with just because of all the Torque!
Man id kill to be able to sit down and him tell me how to start a shop myself
Well, the good news is that me and Titan read every comment. So we both saw this.
Check out our “Advice for this industry” playlist where Titan discusses exactly that
@@barrysetzer thank you Barry! I'll do that
Love you guys and how you get her done awesome if I was in that area I'd be working for you bye that's okay I'm not but I will take your tech and listen 👍🗿🐔
What me interrest is,when the Cutter does break.Where is the total Limit for the Cutter?When MRR 502 is "easy" makeable.I think it breaks at 800 MRR.Want to Test this?
I've spoken to the representative of Kennametal Benelux, and he told me that the original name for the KOR-5 would have been the MegaKut. That would have been a commercial failure in the Dutch speaking areas of the Benelux, for reasons that are both obvious and hilarious
How much mm/min is it?
they talk like the Goonzquad twins from Brooklyn lol
Are you using WD-40 trick to make the smoke?
We used it for lubrication before using coolant. Coolant tends to obscure what we are trying to show on camera.
No… We just accidentally made it look cool.
Didn’t want to flood coolant yet… so figured we would just spray some WD40.
We did it last time also.
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"Shouldn't have this much fun in cnc" I do it for that type of fun
Haha KOR 5 be like " NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM " xD
Show us how hard you can push an 1/8 th inch quality endmill on steel or aluminum
when did feed rate turn into miles per min
You guys needs to program the star spangled banner and use the Ibarmia to play it on a big piece of stock before you let that machine go
Hahaha didn't you hear how tone deaf I am with the jingle bells video I did last Christmas? Careful what you ask for ;)
The biggest problem we are a lot manufactures in Sweden, but we can not get the tools here for a good price, and the distribution is extremely bad..
Why would you rough aluminum with a 5 flute?
Because its a 5 flute tool engineered for aluminum. Feed per tooth means MORE teeth MORE feed, more MRR, more MONEY
More Rigid and you can cut with the entire length of the flute at greater speeds… thus increasing MRR and making more money as my Man Barry Said.
I’m new to the leadership aspect, how do you handle a new guy who crashes a machine simply because he didn’t follow instructions after already running the same parts for weeks ? For now I told it’s okay we learn from our mistakes. But I feel like he is very careless
I talk a little about that here.......ua-cam.com/video/NHjPGPpsuac/v-deo.html
I was running diamond tools on hard granite at 500ipm. Because Terminator tools are the shit. So is their Zares tool measuring management system.
its been 25 years but I dont remeber climb milling as the desired method
Thats impressive those machines can cut that much material off! Are yall going to run this same test on a giant block of steel? I run a 150 hp heavy roll lathe and according to my calculations I can dry cut with single point ceramic @ 116 cubic inches MRR per minute of STEEL all day. I can run it up to 230 cubic inches MRR for a short amount of time before the cutter is fried. specs are 1-1/4 round insert, DOC is 1.300 inch (surface area on the round insert), IPM is .006 up to max .012, spindle rpm 125 and max 135. sfm is 1244 normal and max 1343 on a 39 inch diameter roll. a 15 ton roll @ 135 rpm is somewhat intimidating to stand beside!! Its impressive what these 50 year old machines can do!! Ive made about a full tandem dump truck load of steel chips in a 12 hr shift!!
lol you might as well used the coolant that wd40 made a smoke show haha these cutters are beasts!
how was this a 130hp cut?
pretty soon you're just going to have a spindle powered by 200 of those budweiser horses