How to CNC Machine Monel K500 | HELLER CP6000
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- Опубліковано 19 чер 2024
- Monel K500 is one of the Toughest and Expensive Materials to Machine. Get Educated on this Super Alloy and Learn Exactly How To Run It.
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0:00 Monel K500 Rocket Part
1:16 Raw Monel K500 Project
2:06 INCONEL
2:28 What is Monel?
4:25 What is K500 made of?
6:11 Milling Monel K500
7:50 Buy These Tools
8:37 Drilling Monel K500
10:29 Conclusion
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There is a saying we have in the Middle East that says (the more I know, the more I know about my ignorance). Indeed, I did not imagine that there would be a metal of this hardness and it would need all this complexity of heat treatments to obtain it, even though my field of study is material science. Thank you, Mr. Titan, for giving us a summary of your experiences for free BOOM 💥
That’s so true, it’s really important to stay humble and keep the thirst for knowledge alive 👍
It's funny. Your saying, "the more I know, the more I know about my ignorance." Is pretty much the definition of Dunning Kreuger syndrome. If you're not familiar with Dunning Kreuger syndrome, look it up.
"the more I know, the more I know to not knowing" it's socratic paradox and has been brought to us by Platone who wrote about this paradox expressed by Socrate
@Brandon S got hit hard by dunning Kruger when I went from a production shop with 5 years experience to a job shop. I realized extremely fast I knew nothing.
@@wwhite2958 I made the exact opposite transition about 3.5 years ago. I knew plenty, but there is a difference between programming/running quick turn jobs and doing long run production. It's a very different animal.
*About the heat treatments:* Solution annealing of Monel Alloy K-500 is done at 1600 to 1900 °F, depending on the starting condition of the material. Solution annealing, as the name suggests, puts both titanium and aluminum in solid solution.
Then the aging is performed at 900-1100 °F, again depending on specific conditions of the material and required mechanical properties.
What happens during aging is that the titanium and aluminum, which are at that point still dissolved into the nickel-copper phase, "condense" to form Ni3(Ti,Al) intermetallic particles, or precipitates. These nano-scale particles greatly increase the strength of the material, they make it much harder for the material to deform.
Broadly speaking this is the same hardening mechanism that also works in the PH series of stainless steels and in Maraging steels.
@Cool Baby Uhm, no. Precipitation is a _temperature-driven_ process. Fast cooling afterwards is not required.
After solution annealing you need to quench Monel K-500, so that Al and Ti stay in solid solution untill it is time to do the hardening heat treatment. (Maraging steels and the PH stainless steels don't even need quenching after solution annealing.)
After precipitation hardening (aging), so when the intermetallic Ni3(Ti,Al) precipitates have formed, cooling rate no longer matters. At that point one can cool down in-furnace, by still air, or by quenching.
It's the nano-size precipitates (which are intermetallic) that _hinder movement_ of dislocations, which makes the material harder to plastically deform.
@@Hydrazine1000awesome breakdown totally fits with what I remember from my college days!
You are providing priceless, real-world information. This kind of stuff used to be closely guarded, proprietary and secret. You are opening up new possibilities for all of us in manufacturing because you are sharing things that you learned by experience . . . and I only know one way to gain experience.
Never thought I be correcting you. But this material isn’t hard at only 28 to 40 Rc. It is not hard but it’s tough. It’s the toughness that make these superalloys difficult to machine.
Titan!
Great to see you back in the videos.
It’s terrific to hear your honest, knowledgeable, non condescending, enthusiasm, again.
You’ve been missed.
Thanks Brother
That’s a lot of valuable information obtained through years of machining. The best part is, it’s being shared for free! Nice video boss👊🏼
He wants to contribute to American manufacturing coming back.
Love it when you're not just provides information about settings, materials, but also size both in imperial and metric.
Titan. Thanks man. I love watching your videos. Although I’m South African. You guys are so in depth. I actually wanted to study metallurgy, and my life became better by just “Milling”. You are one of my super heroes.
O wow, I had to edit and delete this comment way more than originally planned. I started using KennaMettal 16dia 2.5lenght 5flutes, and it’s a beast. The only way I would ever get to it was an old video. And it taught me a lot. #Still my super-hero
The effort you put into the videos to give people free education is just insane to me! All this while making real, high precision parts for the industy! Big ups!
We cut this a lot at my shop, 281, 400, and k500 Monel. Cool to see it here. I’d like to see how you guys tackle 70/30 copper nickel, more specifically in a turning aspect. It’s an exotic material, and stumps a lot of guys that come through.
Please keep doing these videos and doing the instructional videos on the academy on your website.
You are providing hope to alot of people feeling stuck in a rut with their current employment, who dream to do the types of things you're doing.
I don't know if you read these but I have the utmost respect to you and your company it must be a great experience to work for or with somebody like you. Good work and plz keep the great video coming
You know this may be a crazy analogy, but I was thinking of it while watching this video. In my city every single gas station you go to get air for your tire, it costs $1.50 just to air up your tire. But there is this one station that has the air station for free. Your channel is like that one gas station, giving out information for free, when all the other one's would charge you an arm and a leg for it. That's why your channel is amazing bro, you give us knowledgeable information for free when you could be like them other "gas stations" and charge for it 😄🤙🏽😉 hopefully I wasn't rambling about nonsense and the comparison made sense. Anyways love what you do and keep up the awesome work. #TeamBarry #TeamTitansOfCNC 🤙🏽😉🤘🏼
Haas automation offers free teaching as well but is more suited for beginners. I feel Titans of CNC offer more settings for high speed workflow and difficult metal alloys to machine.
I love your message to build up our manufacturing. Its a great message to champion.
When I hear the description, it reminds me of *Vanadis 4 Extra* "SuperClean" - a material we use a fair bit for cavity parts in injection molding.
It's alright to machine when it's not hardened (even though it wears out endmills pretty fast).
In its hardened state it reaches 62-64 HRC and tools don't last all that long when you're trying to get a good surface finish on that crucial final pass.
I love videos like this.
@@BrianHealy666 I don't know, really.
I'm "just the machinist", so I don't hear all the back and forth between the customers and our sales design department.
The usual explanation I get is that it's very hard and approved for use with medical equipment.
If I had any say in the matter, I'd try getting hold of some Tyrax ESR or Vanax SuperClean (since our main supplier is Uddeholm anyway) - just to try it out.
I never made large parts out of Monel K500, but I made all kinds of small part out of it. It never caused me any issues. At the shop I worked at all we did were nickel alloys for microwave tube customers. Monel, Kovar, Cupronickel, beryllium copper and vacumet iron were all we machined.
This is amazing. Not only is the machining information and content fantastic, but you actually get into the weeds with the alloy and the materials science. I am a materials engineer, and I am so excited to see someone talking about these really fascinating corners of the materials science world.
I would love to see a similar video with Invar, copper niobium, maraging steel, or frankly anything else that is not on the list of "standard" materials.
I am also curious, to what extent can you machine this stuff before precipitation hardening? Does it move a ton when it hardens? Or is it frankly easier to machine hard because it alleviates at least some of that gumminess? The one experience I have with this sort of high-end stuff was 350 Maraging steel, and we got it soft turned, hardened, then hard finished.
At 3:00 I was listening mouth open, eyes didn't even blink, man I LOVE heat treatments
This is so awesome, this is what i love in this Job.
I'm studying mechanical engineering and i love this kind of videos. I dream about having my own machines and work on extreme materials like you guys 💪🏻💪🏻
It's almost as if Titan gives out info hoping someone out there uses it to reach a level even higher than him. Literally the opposite of 90% of machinists. Most machinists teach you just enough to keep you under them.
I appreciate your content brotha, I always go to you guys if you wanna keep learning and understand the art and craftsmanship from you guys respect and love 🙏
Such an amazing Video !
As a machinist myself getting in to Hasteloy it's damm interessting to look above to even more nasty materials :)
But, Titan, what makes this video so incredible awesome is the knowledge and experience you convey in this Video.
In many other videos I miss exactly that. Not Just we do this, this feeds, machined and there this the end.
The experience what makes this material nasty, why exactly that tool, what to be aware of, how and why did you choose this speeds and feeds and what to be aware of while machining, what to expect, how to react....
This are the kinds of Questions I'd really love to see integrated in future videos :)
Besides being mainly a lathe guy (with some life -tooling action), it is super interessting and fascinating to see the machines, technology and the way of machining in other topics like Grinding or EDM.
You at Titans of CNC are absolutely amazing - Thank you for all that free education !
With love from Germany
Love this channel and the info the guys have and is sharing with us! miss the smell and sounds from the workshop i used to work in. im not a machinist anymore but a mobile crane operator, and i often think about what machines have created what parts in the Liebherr-cranes we drive! (i got a tour of the liebherr shop in ehingen germany! massive machines and factory! )
Please please more videos like this from Titan himself, i love watching Titan talk and machine himself, best thing ever!! Nice video Titan💪🏻💪🏻
Great video Titan. Hey it was pleasure to meet you at IMTS!
Have you guys ever had the pleasure of machining HYMU 80? Worst material I've ever worked with. 80% nickel. Ran Kennametal cutters and they were up to the challenge.
Solid!
Top KEK!
Peace be with you.
That machine just sounds like perfection built!!
Kinda makes K500 look easy huh..
dang
generally we counted on 300-350 minute lifespan inserts
back in the 80s
but CrNiTi alloys are brigin a new level of difficulties
wish youtube were exist back in the late 70's
thank you much sharing these toughts
These headache materials remind me why being retired from the aerospace industry is a good thing. But, the habit of learning about innovative tooling and machining strategies doesn't end at the shop door.
I bring that Kennametal Go Drills into our shop. They doing a great job! Titanium, stainless steal... love them!
Another excellent informational video. It's also heartwarming when you confirm what I have learned through trial and error on machining exotics. When drilling these materials, don't be tempted to peck drill because this will probably cause work hardening issues(especially on tapped holes). I would love to try thread forming instead of using a Tap. I believe that this method of thread forming would solve possible tap breakages
Awesome! I thread mill everything possible. So if it breaks… I just put in another one and keep moving without scrapping material
From my side, usually used for more than 25 years in oilfield dowhole equipment.
Cheaper than 718 nickel alloy and corrosion resistant under hydrogen sulfide environment, easy to machining and no galling on threads or tight assy
This is such a great video Titan. Thank you. Seriously from my heart! God bless my man!!!!!👌🇺🇸
God Bless Brother
NEXT LEVEL!!
All your videos are great man
Insane stuff!
I used to make these huge bushings out of a material called "ToughMet" a copper nickel tin alloy. That was fun.
We ran some tungsten nickel parts that we couldn’t get an end mill to last more than 2 or 3 very small parts
BOOM💥 love it, one of the better videos
NTMA graduate here. I'm blown away with each new video you create. Amazing stuff you guys are doing !
Makes me want to re enter the field.
You guys hiring?
man you guys must be able to make some crazy stuff
I don’t mean to knock Titan down, because I really like his content, but…
I’ve machined on both Monel 400 and K500, as well as Inconel 600, 625 and 718, as well as Nickel200. By far, the toughest to machine was the 718, hands down. The easiest was the Monel400, followed by the K500.
None of these materials are particularly hard. They are all varying degrees of tough. There is a significant difference between hard, tough and strong.
I remember doing a down hole mining valve out of nitronic 60. Bunch of angeled tiny intersecting holes . .0002 all around.
Love u Guys ShootZ brah!
I’d like to see Beryllium copper being machined and a discussion of the different types of BeCu alloys
hey titan love your videos.
i wish to know about all the different types of materials that different industries use like a refference guide which include the other names of the same material that different parts of the use like European stadard german standard american standards . and yeah like how many types of recognized stardards are there?? it will be really helpful
he's like the CNC-Schwarzenegger-the Rock- Hulk-superpower-machinist😂
Thank you
Thank you for your videos! I would love to see more videos on machining wood. In my country, Guatemala, we have lots of wood which I used to work with manually but I need some help getting into CNC machines. Any advice on working with heterogeneous materials like wood would be much appreciated.
if every CNC machinist had such knowledge as Titan, we would nie be living in the cyberpunk 2077 universe
Inconel and monel are my favorite materials to machine. 😁😁
Monel first time I hear about this!
We just did a long run of Nitralloy. We never could get good F/S just right. Nasty stuff!
Would love to see you guys CNC all the parts (that are possible to cnc) for a Voron 2.4 (3D printer) and build it. The sturdiest and most precise Voron 2.4 in the world that you guys can use for silly printing at high speeds!
Mid 80's USS America, in the engineering spaces we discovered monel. Seawater resistance bolts were used in such quantities during the overhaul we zeroed out the shipyard supplies.
Monel K500.... 30 years ago it was a very hard material to mill with the machines and a box of sharp HSS tools we had then😅
Luckely the machines and (carbide) tools got better and
used to have to program in tapers when turning to account for the tip of the insert wearing off as you went, would only get a couple of passes before the insert was done for.
Video for inconel625 overlay
Monel cold rolls like a dream. Microdrilling it in sheet form is easy but requires a very sharp drill.
Had the chance to machine monel a couple years back. Shop owner wasn’t too big on spending money on tooling so it ended up being a nightmare job. If I was to do it all over again I’d start with better tooling like you described. Great video! When are you going to machine stellite, hastelloy X, or Rene? Made a career out of machining those. No one wanted anything to do with those jobs. Lol
sounds like a place i was at doing hastelloy... strange how they dont want to spend a few hundred on a bit, to make several thousand in profit...
Ooohhhh well in that case..!
Nice you r great sir
LoL machined this more than 30 yes ago on manual machines in the university where I used to work. sharp angles and aggressive chip breaker in a carbide tipped tool to take the excessive heat produced. This was way before insert tools for normal machine shops usage a time where each tool was made and hand ground for each material and purpose. To be honest if you deal with the excessive heat, a sharp angled tool it was a dream to cut I thought.
A bit of personal experience from when i machined monel(70-30nicu with some extra herbs and spices occasionally) and k monel almost daily for 3 years at my previous job, i got into the habit of not making the most efficient toolpaths on the lathe, but rather better ones for chip control. Makes your boss a bit unhappy at first but it also makes your life as a machinist way better cause you're not fighting giant rats nests two or three times a cycle.
Makes one wonder what those Harvi end mills are made of that they can slice right through this K500 monel.
Could you share what drills you use to do the deep hole drilling on the rocket part? Those look crazy deep 30x L/D!!
I want to see that long drill that you mentioned in the beginning! :)
Im building two businesses, one is being sold for a nice pay out. Ive been seriously looking at a CNC shop making parts for the DOD. Your information is gold man. Much appreciated. Id love for you to do a video breakdown of the various machine manufactures, what they do best, what they don't do well, what machines you have and such for what purposes. It would be long but i think we would all appreciate the knowledge drop.
I have my eyes on DMG Mori. But that's just my initial look.
And what 3 machines you would start out with for the machines that are currently on the market. Love your insight.
It really depends on Money and Application.
If it’s DOD work, then you should look at premium machines like you mentioned with DMG. People watch me close and spend money based on what I do… so I used to run DMGMORI but then went over to DN Solutions aka Doosan as it’s basically comparable but 20-40% less expensive… which matters. On the Highest End, we just went to HELLER
I mow through monel k500 with a droop and rein that was built in '85. I wanna see inconel 710 and 625 and others.
More content like this! Would these same feeds & speeds be applied if you're running the part on a Haas VF2SS? Also I recently started using GODrills, and I love them. I recently had a job with 100 pieces of 304 with 21 .201 holes per part with 6 parts setup on a pallet. It would take nearly 37min to drill all the holes with a cobalt drill. Switched to a Screw machine length GoDrill and it drilled them all in under 10min.
Turning monel always sucked because it's hard to sneak up on a dimension. But one day I tried a CNGP4305 KC5410 with WD-40 as coolant and it worked like a charm
Annealed 1026 tubing. I have a crazy intricate sleeve type part that I mass produce. The material so gummy!!
For anyone's general reference, monel is commonly used in oxygen service as it is less reactive with hot/high velocity oxygen which would otherwise combust with a carbon or stainless steel piping system.
US Navy uses K Monel for skin valves on ships. The valve on the hull just before the fluid enters or leaves.
It is as strong as steel but very resistant to sea water corrosion. Stainless does not do well underwater in the ocean in a piping system .
When you call out a chip load of .0025 is that taking in account radial chip thinning?
Epic
what about HTCS 130 @HRC52? Or SPM450V @60HRC for molds?
Bom dia irmão feliz ano novo
That part looks like the an impeller support brace for the main pump. If it is monel, it is probably for Liquid Oxygen side since it is compatible with oxygen and not catch fire. I design rocket parts so I have some info about this.
If you think Monel is hard to machine, try machining Stellite. I would work with that stuff when I made injector parts for the F35 fighter jet engine combustion chamber injectors.
No offense to his staff and crew, but I want to see more of titan in the videos!
Thanks Robert,
I used to have so much on my shoulders… still do but in a different way. I am loving my job right now… Building a company that is unlike any built before and growing an amazing family/team. Been so fortunate to find such talent and bring them all under one roof… Where everyone lifts up everyone. I don’t need to be in front of the camera all the time but do enjoy it from time to time. My true joy is mentoring each one of my guys on a daily basis and just watching them grow and watching them change other peoples lives. We have built a company that is built on the principles of service and is truly bringing legit manufacturing into the forefront.
Super Cool. It’s not about me… It’s about the team… it’s about YOU.
BOOM!
Titan
Fun video: Buy Chineseium, 'common', 'high end' endmills, then show what K500 does to them when compared to the Kennametal.
have you ever use the blue swarf kits or somethings likes that?
When working with these metals, when you're cooling them, is the coolant also chilled at all to help get rid of heat, if not, would there be any real benefit to doing so?
Is that a thing?
great
I would like to see magnesium alloy machining cause I have never seen it before
Try Nitronic 50 ,i believe thats what its called,back when i machined it there was only one place that made it.its a material you throw in ocean and 1000 years later zero corrosion
Please do a video on Chrome with a brinell 700
Damn, I can't even believe some of those hard materials are even machinable. Only thing I can think of is CNC grinding that I've ever heard to be able to shape such hard materials.
Titan there was an error with the RPM conversion from imperial to metric for the first Harvey end mill.RPM should be the same but displayed as 1375 in imperial and 1833 in metric.
Hey Titan,
I want to see the best 12mm end mill for full slotting 1.2379/1.7225/1.4301/1.7131.
Titan, on the drilling cycle how does not having through coolant affect the process?
Thanks,
Travis
It’s doable, just take smaller pecks and make sure you retract all the way out of the hole… another thing I do is actually feed slow back into the hole after the peck… like F20.
If you rapid back in and smash chips that didn’t get removed… your drill life will suffer etc.
lots of cool techniques to share.
More of this.
Does machining such hard material present workholding issues as well?
I want to see high end hardened tool steels! Cpm m4 or cpm 3v. If your ballsy cpm 10v. At hrc above 60
why do you use a collet chuck for drilling?
You know that a material is extremely hard when Titans makes a video and the coolant HAS to be running.
Come for the machining, stay for the metallurgy.
Blast furnace or Electric arc furnace depending on the desired grade Metallurgy is the science, Machining is the achievement & beware of Nickel pig iron, Titan outstanding, ground breaking23
So, what you are saying is that my Mikita cordless drill isn’t going to get far? Chuckle, this stuff is really quite amazing.