@@MercerVisualProductions As much as i hate to say it, i don't think Yamaha will do anything, they're not going to admit any liability as it'll leave them wide open for any claims on other bikes,All bike should be fitted with a CAT one immobilizer as standard,bikes are easy to nick as we all know,so if the factory fit one it should work as intended, this is an epic fail by Yamaha. One thing i will add, to help stop the opportunist thief, find out where your fuel pump relay is and remove it! i can't see them having on of those handy to start your bike and ride off.Hope to catch you at Rivi sometime.
Had my garage broken into while i worked a 12 hour shift, bike stolen, thousands in tools and gear stolen, thousands in damage done, had video of the thief and being a local i even knew his name and the block of flats he lived in but not which exact flat, police took days to turn up only to say "what do you expect us to do about it we don't have time to look for him" when i literally gave them everything they needed to find the prick and they also told me that he had warrants out already.. simply didn't give a shit. Yet they have plenty of time and resources to set up speed traps, pull us over 24/7 claiming we are speeding just because we have a loud engine and exhaust system, all the time in the world to do random stops and check our insurance etc and say "how do we know the bike isn't stolen", all the time in the world to hand out fixed penalty notices like fucking confetti, basically plenty of resources for things that make money but none for things which cost money... absolute disgrace.
To be honest if your bike doesn't have a GPS tracker fitted then you never had it in the first place. No amount of locks will keep them safe in a public place but at least you can find it with a tracker. I've had 4 bikes stolen over a few years and I've recovered all 4. The trackers I use also have a remote engine cutoff so once I have the bike in sight I can disable the engine( important note not to disable the engine until you can see the bike as the scroats will tear it apart or wreck it if it won't run).
I have replaced pins in socket and plug from immobiliser module. Now only my module fits to my bike. If someone try to connect bypass it won't work because pins from dedicated bypass module does not fit to my bike harness. But it will take some time to figure out what is wrong with cabling - if thief pick up your bike (for example by using skateboards onder wheels or just put bike into VAN) - bike is lost ;( Allways lock your bike with solid chain to something what can not be moved in easy way... Regards! :)
To start any mt’s above the 125 fitted with an immobliser you have to buy a emulator which bypasses the ecu unit and when you plug it in where the immobliser is and then you start it by hotwiring but iff you don’t have the emulator the bike just keeps keeps ticking over because it has no power to the bike because the ecu is blocking power to get the engine
Euro 4 saw to it that all bikes made from 2017 had to have an immobiliser among other things (such as ABS and ODB2). This was an additional cost so Yamaha made an immobiliser (YISS) that met minimum standard just to meet Euro 4 compliance as cheaply as possible. In other countries outside of Europe, as seen in the States, the MT/FZ10 doesn't come with the YISS. I think this evidences Yamaha are not thinking about security but merely compliance and have some the bare minimum to meet this.
As a business you can understand what they are doing. Spend as little as possible to make more money, it's probably down to us as owners to try an put measures in place for ourselves
Steering locks a waste of time but my insurance says they won't pay out if it's not used. Back in the 80's the police had decoy cars to catch car thieves. They could do the same with bikes and give the thieves something to think about but crime is big business and I don't think they want to stop it?
Yep, I've watched CCTV footage of my own mt09 steering lock being snaped an then the bike was carried off. Useless. Like I said in the video I know the police massively understaffed but if some bait bikes were about I agree it'd make em think twice
This looks like it is bypassing the ignition switch ,surly the ignition and immobiliser are separate systems and you can’t just bypass the immobiliser by hot wiring the ignition?
You are absolutely correct they may Hotwire the ignition however the lights do come on but the actual immobiliser stops them from being able to start the bike, must bypass that with something else 👍🏻
@@j.d7707 they would have used a ecu bypass modules the switch thing is just for the ignition i think pure scum i had a bike stolen aswell only a 125cc but was mine
This not only shows how badly some immobilizer modules are designed but also how sophisticated thieves become and how they study motorcycles electrical wiring knowing electronics.Obviously this video is not related to every bike out there. So calm down guys.Just install more locking measures.
This isn’t how your bike is started believe me. That’s just a switch as your bike has been hotwired. If you leave the wires dangling around and they touch the frame it will fuse the bike. Your bike has been started via an immobiliser emulator this plugs onto your chip reader (the ring around the ignition). They plug a device onto this and then Hotwire it like they used to do back in the 80/90’s. that shitty diy home style switch has been fitted for convenience for the thief to switch the bike on/off instead off joining/undoing the wires every time. Mines was taken the same way the device is £25 off fleabay
Just seen an article where guy saw his bike being ridden away and chased the thief in his car. He caused he thief to crash into a tree and was killed. Owner sentenced in Court to 10 years. Judge said he should have called the Police.
@@uchimataman yeah I was being flippant here, clearly causing death or injury is not a reasonable response to protecting one's property. It's just frustrating there's so little we seem to do to combat this type of crime, it's rife throughout the UK now and London is the worst place to own a bike.
Its not just a light switch though, you should do an update on this. The immobiliser defeat units can be bought online and plugged in. The switch is purely for switching the ignition on. They pull the wires off the back of the ignition unit and wire to the switch. Tidier than smashing the lock out
I had a mate who bricked up his garage door and used to ride his R1 through the house tot he garage to ensure it was secured. It fitted on a tuntable in the garage and was ground anchored front and rear. They cut through the brickwork early hours in the morning and ground off the locks - no one heard a thing. If they want to get it - they'll get it., but if you catch them - chop their thumbs off.
Utter madness. Motion tracking in the garage linked to your alarm system might help. Or guard dogs. And land mines of course. Mustn't forget the land mines... Britain in 2020 ffs
@@steveguest8028 he must live in a deaf community and he probably never came home that night or he is also deaf, or they might be cardboard/paper bricks he used. lol
When my yamaha n max 2022was stolen last month they shit themselves as they had no idea what they was doing.i was able to find it the next day having a tracker in it.
I had my first MT10 stolen a year and a day after buying it brand new. They came into my works 'secure' carpark by giving a bullshit name, then 3 lads lifted it into the van, then pretty much drove through the barrier to get out. Near 18 months later and it's never been traced. It's frightening how easy the security system is to bypass.
I've just had one stolen, I'm in burnley and I found who these people are and it was bought by lads in Bury and it went to Manchester b4 London. They are all connected through social media.
Install and hide a couple of kill switches of your own.. They may vandalize and steal whatever is easy but you won't have a total loss.. Pro tip and better luck on your next bike hope your insurance makes good for you sorry about your loss
Yamaha and all makers want your bike nicked. Profits would drop a lot if they done the same to bikes as they have to cars. Also car industry was forced by the courts to make it hard. After the whole TWOK Bandit times in the 80s early 90s.
I leave my bike parked near the corner, I custom made a piece of wood that goes from top to bottom removed the seat, and the battery, I also installed a bypass for fuel that empties the gas tank (But I am not that paranoid I only do it when I'm out of town) There's some ppl That I know they just take the brake pads off and I guess that helps a little too You just never know Can't be too careful
Easy way to stop an opportunist starting any bike, fit a hidden switch that cuts the ignition earth or the starter circuit earth, scumbags won't ever start the bike, it won't stop a gang lifting into a van, but it will make it super difficult for them.
Had my bike stolen. Now I'm finding out just how little the police investigate bike thefts and openly state a lack in resources as the reason they can't do anything.
Had my garage broken into while i worked a 12 hour shift, bike stolen, thousands in tools and gear stolen, thousands in damage done, had video of the thief and being a local i even knew his name and the block of flats he lived in but not which exact flat, police took days to turn up only to say "what do you expect us to do about it we don't have time to look for him" when i literally gave them everything they needed to find the prick and they also told me that he had warrants out already.. simply didn't give a shit. Yet they have plenty of time and resources to set up speed traps, pull us over 24/7 claiming we are speeding just because we have a loud engine and exhaust system, all the time in the world to do random stops and check our insurance etc and say "how do we know the bike isn't stolen", all the time in the world to hand out fixed penalty notices like fucking confetti, basically plenty of resources for things that make money but none for things which cost money... absolute disgrace.
Nice video guys. Although living in Ohio, USA I did have a little trouble understanding you, ha ha. Anyway, I don't know anything about immobilizers besides what the name implies. Are you talking about a factory installed one? I've heard people talk about installing one on their bike but wondered why since after thieves pick it up, carry it away to their hang out they can remove it. How about a big air bag in the seat that goes off at 100 mph and fires their asses up in the air if the fob is not present. Ha ha ha.
I just had a 1999 CB500 stolen, and it wasn't even a "nice" one, an absolute piece of shit, fairings missing, scraped up to fuck, and it still got nicked.
You are making a mistake trying to understand the situation, the immoblizer was bypassed using a tool connected to obd 2 port , and that switch is just to ignite it
So did they cut the chain and you didnt hear it? Surely they are not stealing an mt10 to ride generally. Normally snap the steering long and push it away and break the bike down?
Ant on a Slant unfortunatley they can be very organised. They managed to break every lock with out anyone knowing it would seem. Have to remember its there job as well. Absolute scum but its what they do.
Just had my Africa Twin 1100 stolen. Smashed the steering lock off as I found it on my drive. Wonder if the started my bike like yours was. Day light aswell 4 o'clock
You're fucking D U M B if you think it's just poor people who steal. Gangsters _love_ recruiting rich kids, because they're used to being scumbags and get light sentences in court. So please, shut your hole.
The biggest issue is manufacturers don’t care. You get a bike nicked. You buy another There are ways to fit transponder systems. Mercedes Bmw have a systems where you have to go to main dealer or have thousands of pounds worth of computer systems to replace or bypass transponder key/immobiliser systems. But on bikes They don’t care. One nicked and wrote of. One new one on order it’s repeat business sadly
Sadly all it takes is knowledgeable determined thief to make short work of most factory security/immobilizer on any bike. I wish it weren't so but altruism won't stop them. Only thing you can do is outsmart them with intuitive countermeasures.
Little can be done about physical removal. There used to be a Tracker package that alert on movement by SMS then you have to follow the thieves then call the police etc. Same technology from eBay for less than £30.
I am really confused it's currently like this in western countries, I am living in Indonesia for more than 20 years driving big bikes, first I installed alarms but I stop using them because nobody toch my bike other than making selvies and I don't care about it, I drove the last 3 years more than 30.000 km touring trough the country and stalled my bike in front of hotels or homestay... Never any problem, I can't believe what's happening in the western world... When I lived in Holland I even left my key in the bike .
It's society and government policies that's allowing them to get away with pretty much anything. The dogooders always look for an excuse as to why they do things, blaming bad upbringings etc. When in reality they are bing shit heads and they know they can get away with it because of the justice system being so soft.
I don't know a lot about bikes as I have only been riding for a year, would it not be possible for the manufacturers to make it easy for the owner to have easy access to the ecu, so as they can unclip it and take it with them. That way theives would then see that they are not going to ride the bike without the ecu. All right they may still steal it for parts but it might deter the joyriders.
It's tough for bike manufacturers to keep up with build and tech that cars have, many cars still now can be hot wired, but people break into houses or jack people on the street to get high end motors. If bikes were as easy to protect from hot wiring they'd do it, thieves will just then break in or jack people more if that's the only way to get high end bikes. You'll never fully stop or get around it, people need to do more to protect their own and others property, no neighbours came out in force to stop them, that's disgusting. But how do we change that? the government needs to give us more power and therefore confidence to protect our own and others property and each other without being prosecuted.
@@MercerVisualProductions They did have problems with early adopters not thinking about how tech can get passed the system. I'm sure recent ones must be much safer/secure.
@@MercerVisualProductions I don't think that will help unfortunately mate. If they are a couple of years old they probably could use gadgets to get the key codes and take them. Or even get in them and start them if the keys are left in range (no pun intended). And no matter how well the key-less system works, they'll get them if they get hold of the keys or tow them.
I wish the immobilizer on my bike was so easy to bypass. Instead, a fault in the electrics somewhere has meant that I can't start the bike, and have been off the road for a few months. Mine works by the ECU reading a code in the RFID within the key. No code from the key, and the ECU won;t allow the bike to start. The ECU would need to be hacked to bypass it, as far as I know (and I don;t know much on this issue). Hopefully, the issue I have is just an interruption in the wiring loom circuit somewhere, but if anyone reading this can help me bypass my own immobilizer, please let me know in a reply.
@@actually4660, the immobilizer on my bike is an EEPROM chip inside the ECU - on the same circuit board. Furthermore, it's coded together with the dash. If one fails, they all fail, and the bike won;t start, which it still won't. No disruption in the wiring was found.
@@actually4660, you want a bike that has a ticking time-bomb of an electronics system? I want a bike with points, a carb, and no immobilizer - a bike that will actually work, and I won;t need to worry so much about when I'm riding hundreds of miles away from home.
Factory immobilisers are just simple add-ons that are easy to bypass. They are designed to detect the RFID chip in the key, the problem is they are not integrated very well, it should be controlled by anti tamper circuits in the ECU. It wouldn't be difficult to implement at a factory level but what that means is that you can't re-flash or replace the ECU with a new one without having access to factory unlock codes which of course means these codes will be targeted by thieves. It should be possible to create anti tamper ECU's with built in GPS and tracking data which sends a signal to a central location when it detects unauthorized activity, this could also allow the vehicle to be shut down remotely. There are areas in the UK now where you can't get insurance on a motorbike if you don't have a secure garage to keep it in, I have even spoken to people who don't use simple disc locks or chain their bikes when leaving them in a supermarket car park because they say they will just claim on the insurance if it gets nicked !
Some good ideas pal. The people that fall back on insurance instead of taking measures are almost as much to blame for the insurance prices goin up as the thieves are
I don't want the tracking thing because it's open for abuse by authorities or whatever. I'd much rather a mandatory 10 year minimum sentence if you're found stealing a motorcycle and go from there.
@@grapewater123 That phrase, "if you are found stealing . . . ." is key because very few thefts are actually stopped at the time. The bike is usually discovered much later and often unattended, if anyone is found in possession of a stolen bike they usually say they found it. Prevention is far better than trying to catch them in the act.
@@ian-c.01 yeah but a few people do get caught after the fact. If you get convicted regardless in the act or after you get a minimum of 10. This combined with Police making an effort following up on CCTV doing decent forensics and loads of bate bikes and just general police work ... also bike owners wiring in their own custom immobilisers and kill switches etc In a year this will no longer be a serious issue.
Even if you had Immobilizer with some form of tracking who would chase the thieves?Police do not give a damn to send you updates on case when they close it ( like in my case was ). There is no agencies or security companies on market offering affordable tracking protection.Even is some offer they do not have rights to enter the property to seek for stolen bikes. Police is called and they can come next day. Good luck.
Im so sorry to hear about your bike.thats really sad that theres that many thief's in your city's .n even sadder that its so hard to keep our cycles safe.but hey enjoyed your insights n you all seem down to earth gents.thx for letting the public know whats up.
Yea just like they did with car and air bags they need to do with bikes, they need to add security and some type of lo jack systems to bikes, mine just got stolen and believe me it wil not be founded with the police department in this area. Bike companies need to do something about this. Like add security and anti theft devices and hidden bugs on it so you can find it, at least some type of remote that lets you know when someone messes with your bike, so you can be alerted.
WOW that's terrible , sorry to hear about your loss , yeah something needs to be done for sure, hopefully the manufactures will figure out something !!! If not them then Theft security alarms need to!!
I would hope they help you in someway it would be nothing for a billion dollar company like Yamaha to do the stand up thing and replace you R6/R1 i don't know what model Yamaha you have i hope they hear you plea homie best wishes from the United States of America
In an idea world that would be nice but I think it's a little unrealistic. Arron said it himself, the perfect solution is that the issue would be addressed and measures put in place to make it more difficult for thieves. Your idea wouldn't cost Yamaha much at all, making changes across the range would be big money...
This needs to be sent to MCN ,let them contact Yamaha and see what they have to say. Simply not good enough being fobbed off by Yamaha
I think it's too early to say that Yamaha have fobbed him just yet.
@@MercerVisualProductions As much as i hate to say it, i don't think Yamaha will do anything, they're not going to admit any liability as it'll leave them wide open for any claims on other bikes,All bike should be fitted with a CAT one immobilizer as standard,bikes are easy to nick as we all know,so if the factory fit one it should work as intended, this is an epic fail by Yamaha. One thing i will add, to help stop the opportunist thief, find out where your fuel pump relay is and remove it! i can't see them having on of those handy to start your bike and ride off.Hope to catch you at Rivi sometime.
@@daveswarbrick5576 being inventive is the way forward I think.
I'll be at an event at ghost bikes on sat if you want to pop down
@@MercerVisualProductions did Yamaha do anything? I've just watched the video and that's bad what's happened.
Had my garage broken into while i worked a 12 hour shift, bike stolen, thousands in tools and gear stolen, thousands in damage done, had video of the thief and being a local i even knew his name and the block of flats he lived in but not which exact flat, police took days to turn up only to say "what do you expect us to do about it we don't have time to look for him" when i literally gave them everything they needed to find the prick and they also told me that he had warrants out already.. simply didn't give a shit. Yet they have plenty of time and resources to set up speed traps, pull us over 24/7 claiming we are speeding just because we have a loud engine and exhaust system, all the time in the world to do random stops and check our insurance etc and say "how do we know the bike isn't stolen", all the time in the world to hand out fixed penalty notices like fucking confetti, basically plenty of resources for things that make money but none for things which cost money... absolute disgrace.
The light switch was just to turn the ignition on. It’s actually a immobiliser emulator chip that they plugged in under the tank to bypass security
To be honest if your bike doesn't have a GPS tracker fitted then you never had it in the first place. No amount of locks will keep them safe in a public place but at least you can find it with a tracker. I've had 4 bikes stolen over a few years and I've recovered all 4. The trackers I use also have a remote engine cutoff so once I have the bike in sight I can disable the engine( important note not to disable the engine until you can see the bike as the scroats will tear it apart or wreck it if it won't run).
I have replaced pins in socket and plug from immobiliser module. Now only my module fits to my bike. If someone try to connect bypass it won't work because pins from dedicated bypass module does not fit to my bike harness. But it will take some time to figure out what is wrong with cabling - if thief pick up your bike (for example by using skateboards onder wheels or just put bike into VAN) - bike is lost ;( Allways lock your bike with solid chain to something what can not be moved in easy way... Regards! :)
you should do a tutorial video
To start any mt’s above the 125 fitted with an immobliser you have to buy a emulator which bypasses the ecu unit and when you plug it in where the immobliser is and then you start it by hotwiring but iff you don’t have the emulator the bike just keeps keeps ticking over because it has no power to the bike because the ecu is blocking power to get the engine
Euro 4 saw to it that all bikes made from 2017 had to have an immobiliser among other things (such as ABS and ODB2). This was an additional cost so Yamaha made an immobiliser (YISS) that met minimum standard just to meet Euro 4 compliance as cheaply as possible. In other countries outside of Europe, as seen in the States, the MT/FZ10 doesn't come with the YISS. I think this evidences Yamaha are not thinking about security but merely compliance and have some the bare minimum to meet this.
As a business you can understand what they are doing.
Spend as little as possible to make more money, it's probably down to us as owners to try an put measures in place for ourselves
Steering locks a waste of time but my insurance says they won't pay out if it's not used.
Back in the 80's the police had decoy cars to catch car thieves. They could do the same with bikes and give the thieves something to think about but crime is big business and I don't think they want to stop it?
Yep, I've watched CCTV footage of my own mt09 steering lock being snaped an then the bike was carried off.
Useless.
Like I said in the video I know the police massively understaffed but if some bait bikes were about I agree it'd make em think twice
This looks like it is bypassing the ignition switch ,surly the ignition and immobiliser are separate systems and you can’t just bypass the immobiliser by hot wiring the ignition?
I'd like to think so.....
You are absolutely correct they may Hotwire the ignition however the lights do come on but the actual immobiliser stops them from being able to start the bike, must bypass that with something else 👍🏻
@@j.d7707 they would have used a ecu bypass modules the switch thing is just for the ignition i think pure scum i had a bike stolen aswell only a 125cc but was mine
This not only shows how badly some immobilizer modules are designed but also how sophisticated thieves become and how they study motorcycles electrical wiring knowing electronics.Obviously this video is not related to every bike out there. So calm down guys.Just install more locking measures.
Just had my MT03 stolen from my driveway while at my bday dinner... After seeing this video I won't be buying another Yamaha.
yer mine got nicked too bud
@@MercerVisualProductions sorry for reminding you haha
The manufacturer only interested to sell more bikes. Period.
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Instead of more security broken fingers should be dished out carnt steal a bike with broken fingers
I'm not sure I know anyone who'd disagree 👍
This isn’t how your bike is started believe me. That’s just a switch as your bike has been hotwired. If you leave the wires dangling around and they touch the frame it will fuse the bike. Your bike has been started via an immobiliser emulator this plugs onto your chip reader (the ring around the ignition). They plug a device onto this and then Hotwire it like they used to do back in the 80/90’s. that shitty diy home style switch has been fitted for convenience for the thief to switch the bike on/off instead off joining/undoing the wires every time. Mines was taken the same way the device is £25 off fleabay
I wonder if hidden wiring the chains in my garage up to the mains to deliver a lethal shock to any would be theif would be frowned upon in court....?
Just seen an article where guy saw his bike being ridden away and chased the thief in his car. He caused he thief to crash into a tree and was killed. Owner sentenced in Court to 10 years. Judge said he should have called the Police.
@@uchimataman yeah I was being flippant here, clearly causing death or injury is not a reasonable response to protecting one's property. It's just frustrating there's so little we seem to do to combat this type of crime, it's rife throughout the UK now and London is the worst place to own a bike.
Its not just a light switch though, you should do an update on this. The immobiliser defeat units can be bought online and plugged in. The switch is purely for switching the ignition on. They pull the wires off the back of the ignition unit and wire to the switch. Tidier than smashing the lock out
I had a mate who bricked up his garage door and used to ride his R1 through the house tot he garage to ensure it was secured. It fitted on a tuntable in the garage and was ground anchored front and rear. They cut through the brickwork early hours in the morning and ground off the locks - no one heard a thing.
If they want to get it - they'll get it., but if you catch them - chop their thumbs off.
Bloody hell, that's madness. 😖
Utter madness. Motion tracking in the garage linked to your alarm system might help. Or guard dogs. And land mines of course. Mustn't forget the land mines...
Britain in 2020 ffs
So why didn't your mate put alarms on the garage wired to the house so that everyone could hear it?
How can you cut through brickwork without hearing anything lol
@@steveguest8028 he must live in a deaf community and he probably never came home that night or he is also deaf, or they might be cardboard/paper bricks he used. lol
When my yamaha n max 2022was stolen last month they shit themselves as they had no idea what they was doing.i was able to find it the next day having a tracker in it.
I had my first MT10 stolen a year and a day after buying it brand new. They came into my works 'secure' carpark by giving a bullshit name, then 3 lads lifted it into the van, then pretty much drove through the barrier to get out. Near 18 months later and it's never been traced. It's frightening how easy the security system is to bypass.
I had my MT09 stolen in the same circumstances, ABSOLUTELY GUTTED
I've just had one stolen, I'm in burnley and I found who these people are and it was bought by lads in Bury and it went to Manchester b4 London. They are all connected through social media.
police would act differently if it was £13k in cash but if its a £13-15k bike then sod it
Install and hide a couple of kill switches of your own.. They may vandalize and steal whatever is easy but you won't have a total loss.. Pro tip and better luck on your next bike hope your insurance makes good for you sorry about your loss
Get a class action against Yamaha, simple. If all owners make a stand Yamaha will have to listen.
Yamaha and all makers want your bike nicked. Profits would drop a lot if they done the same to bikes as they have to cars. Also car industry was forced by the courts to make it hard. After the whole TWOK Bandit times in the 80s early 90s.
It'd be nice if the courts did the same for bikes. Saying that, I wonder how much it'd effect the price
I leave my bike parked near the corner, I custom made a piece of wood that goes from top to bottom removed the seat, and the battery, I also installed a bypass for fuel that empties the gas tank
(But I am not that paranoid I only do it when I'm out of town)
There's some ppl
That I know they just take the brake pads off and I guess that helps a little too
You just never know
Can't be too careful
My bike is protected by ar15... good luck thrives I caught u I won't be calling cops to fill out report I'll call them to pick up your body
Easy way to stop an opportunist starting any bike, fit a hidden switch that cuts the ignition earth or the starter circuit earth, scumbags won't ever start the bike, it won't stop a gang lifting into a van, but it will make it super difficult for them.
Had my bike stolen. Now I'm finding out just how little the police investigate bike thefts and openly state a lack in resources as the reason they can't do anything.
No but they'll pay someone to sit in a van cashing in on you as an easy target for going over the speed limit. Bloody rediculous 😡
Had my garage broken into while i worked a 12 hour shift, bike stolen, thousands in tools and gear stolen, thousands in damage done, had video of the thief and being a local i even knew his name and the block of flats he lived in but not which exact flat, police took days to turn up only to say "what do you expect us to do about it we don't have time to look for him" when i literally gave them everything they needed to find the prick and they also told me that he had warrants out already.. simply didn't give a shit. Yet they have plenty of time and resources to set up speed traps, pull us over 24/7 claiming we are speeding just because we have a loud engine and exhaust system, all the time in the world to do random stops and check our insurance etc and say "how do we know the bike isn't stolen", all the time in the world to hand out fixed penalty notices like fucking confetti, basically plenty of resources for things that make money but none for things which cost money... absolute disgrace.
Nice video guys. Although living in Ohio, USA I did have a little trouble understanding you, ha ha. Anyway, I don't know anything about immobilizers besides what the name implies. Are you talking about a factory installed one? I've heard people talk about installing one on their bike but wondered why since after thieves pick it up, carry it away to their hang out they can remove it. How about a big air bag in the seat that goes off at 100 mph and fires their asses up in the air if the fob is not present. Ha ha ha.
That *WILL* happen to the owner,sooner or later avoid lol
I just wish all bloody thieves just suddenly stopped breathing.
hi can i use 30sek of your video to warn others in my language ???
Clucking bell, that simple that shocking, cheers for the vlog...
Frightening isn't it
I just had a 1999 CB500 stolen, and it wasn't even a "nice" one, an absolute piece of shit, fairings missing, scraped up to fuck, and it still got nicked.
OEMs don't give a fuck about you. No company does. They already have your money!
Seems a fucking state here on the UK. Wouldn't be happening if we had the right to bare arms. Especially when the police don't really care.
You are making a mistake trying to understand the situation, the immoblizer was bypassed using a tool connected to obd 2 port , and that switch is just to ignite it
A good tracker so you can try and find them and ask for it back nicely 🔫🗡🏏👍
my thoughts exactly
Check out BikeTrac - I've got one on both my bikes and it's excellent
Forget ti; all these stolen bikes..i ride a POS 15 year old 1000 cc ,locks on both discs,peace of mind.
Well done on highlighting the issues.
It's not my normal format of video but I thought it was important enough to get out there.
@@MercerVisualProductions But incorrect..
So did they cut the chain and you didnt hear it? Surely they are not stealing an mt10 to ride generally. Normally snap the steering long and push it away and break the bike down?
They don't seem that organised tbh, starting them up an joyriding then untill they wreck.
Senseless
Ant on a Slant unfortunatley they can be very organised. They managed to break every lock with out anyone knowing it would seem.
Have to remember its there job as well. Absolute scum but its what they do.
@@suzuki600ish yer I take your point
Eeeeennglaaaaand! I don't even take my keys out of the ignition when I'm at the shops here in NZ!
All you need is a couple of chains to slow them down, movement sensor and a clear shot from your widow!😂 All the best from 🇺🇸
I am just enjoying their accent😂. Is this weird. Nice bit of info though mates.
Legend has it........these two "poms" are still standing there whinging to this very day!🤣
subtitles transcription totally works -not
Take it up with Google
Just had my Africa Twin 1100 stolen. Smashed the steering lock off as I found it on my drive. Wonder if the started my bike like yours was.
Day light aswell 4 o'clock
So sorry to hear guys, I have an mt03 & live in Australia, I've have had my car vandalised a number of times, an e-bike stolen.
yamaha fit a tracker on a new bike for £90 and it’s £400 for one to be fitted to second hand bike
Guys, you cannot start the bike with some switch. There is more to it.
coulda done it better lol hmu on insta ill tell u how to start a ped or m
it's like hot wiring a car, but they used a light switch to hot wire it...
That is so sad....😥
Gutting isn't it
That’s my brothers bike and it was immaculate when he had it. Shame some shits have to steal what they can’t afford.
You're fucking D U M B if you think it's just poor people who steal. Gangsters _love_ recruiting rich kids, because they're used to being scumbags and get light sentences in court. So please, shut your hole.
@@fun_ghoul You are about 8 months too late Mr Keyboard Warrior. As for my "hole", make me you halfwit.
@@nathanholt6158 Nice reply, 'tardo. I didn't know there was such a thing as "too late" to reply to comments. Thanks for the hot -lunch- tip.
Paesan Control Centre go back to stomping your nazis and trotsies you halfwit
The biggest issue is manufacturers don’t care. You get a bike nicked. You buy another There are ways to fit transponder systems. Mercedes Bmw have a systems where you have to go to main dealer or have thousands of pounds worth of computer systems to replace or bypass transponder key/immobiliser systems. But on bikes They don’t care. One nicked and wrote of. One new one on order it’s repeat business sadly
I had my mt09 nicked and ended up buying a new MT10, seems I fell into this trap too
Didn't the tracker alert you ....there you go
WTF is this man,....show us how they did it.
This is bonkers! So essentially the USP of "Factory fitted immobiliser" isnt worth more than a trip to b&q? Crazy!
Sadly all it takes is knowledgeable determined thief to make short work of most factory security/immobilizer on any bike. I wish it weren't so but altruism won't stop them. Only thing you can do is outsmart them with intuitive countermeasures.
It don’t matter what you have takes em 2 seconds to lift it into a van and that’s all she wrote
as i later found out 😥😥
Hiplok D1000 an a roadlok job done.
Little can be done about physical removal. There used to be a Tracker package that alert on movement by SMS then you have to follow the thieves then call the police etc. Same technology from eBay for less than £30.
I had a similar system but had to look at alternatives when it kept killing my battery
@@MercerVisualProductions They are some trackers with big built in batteries.In sleep mode it can last without charge more than 30 days.
I dont know why u say alot 15 min
that rivi barn?
also stolen bike being in burnley doesn't surprise me .. I live there
Yep 👍
An it was stolen from Manchester then taken there.
Funnily enough I had a car nicked a few years ago an that ended up in Burnley too
@@RookieRider so frustrating isn't it.
It's really not surprising that vigilante groups are on the rise
I am really confused it's currently like this in western countries, I am living in Indonesia for more than 20 years driving big bikes, first I installed alarms but I stop using them because nobody toch my bike other than making selvies and I don't care about it, I drove the last 3 years more than 30.000 km touring trough the country and stalled my bike in front of hotels or homestay... Never any problem, I can't believe what's happening in the western world... When I lived in Holland I even left my key in the bike .
It's society and government policies that's allowing them to get away with pretty much anything. The dogooders always look for an excuse as to why they do things, blaming bad upbringings etc. When in reality they are bing shit heads and they know they can get away with it because of the justice system being so soft.
You can't drive a bike. You can ride one.
I don't know a lot about bikes as I have only been riding for a year, would it not be possible for the manufacturers to make it easy for the owner to have easy access to the ecu, so as they can unclip it and take it with them. That way theives would then see that they are not going to ride the bike without the ecu. All right they may still steal it for parts but it might deter the joyriders.
I think being inventive is the way forward 👍
The thief will just plug another ECU in, surely!
That’s a real opener 😮
It's tough for bike manufacturers to keep up with build and tech that cars have, many cars still now can be hot wired, but people break into houses or jack people on the street to get high end motors. If bikes were as easy to protect from hot wiring they'd do it, thieves will just then break in or jack people more if that's the only way to get high end bikes.
You'll never fully stop or get around it, people need to do more to protect their own and others property, no neighbours came out in force to stop them, that's disgusting. But how do we change that? the government needs to give us more power and therefore confidence to protect our own and others property and each other without being prosecuted.
Modern cars aren't much better, the keyless ignition systems are so open to abuse.
It's like we've taken a step backwards
@@MercerVisualProductions They did have problems with early adopters not thinking about how tech can get passed the system. I'm sure recent ones must be much safer/secure.
@@HalfdeadRider tell that to the guy I know who had both his range rovers nicked, they we're both only a year or two old 😭
@@MercerVisualProductions I don't think that will help unfortunately mate. If they are a couple of years old they probably could use gadgets to get the key codes and take them.
Or even get in them and start them if the keys are left in range (no pun intended). And no matter how well the key-less system works, they'll get them if they get hold of the keys or tow them.
@@HalfdeadRider I'm guessing they used a signal booster. They found the inbuilt tracker just around the corner 😟
I wish the immobilizer on my bike was so easy to bypass. Instead, a fault in the electrics somewhere has meant that I can't start the bike, and have been off the road for a few months. Mine works by the ECU reading a code in the RFID within the key. No code from the key, and the ECU won;t allow the bike to start. The ECU would need to be hacked to bypass it, as far as I know (and I don;t know much on this issue). Hopefully, the issue I have is just an interruption in the wiring loom circuit somewhere, but if anyone reading this can help me bypass my own immobilizer, please let me know in a reply.
You dont hack the immobilizer 🤦
You remove the immobilizer out of the system. Thats what the switch did, Direct connection
@@actually4660, the immobilizer on my bike is an EEPROM chip inside the ECU - on the same circuit board. Furthermore, it's coded together with the dash. If one fails, they all fail, and the bike won;t start, which it still won't. No disruption in the wiring was found.
@@TheErsatzMode what bike is yours? Which brand bike? I want that kind of bike😍
@@actually4660, you want a bike that has a ticking time-bomb of an electronics system? I want a bike with points, a carb, and no immobilizer - a bike that will actually work, and I won;t need to worry so much about when I'm riding hundreds of miles away from home.
@@TheErsatzMode practical guy you are 🤩🤣
Shows how easily the immobilizer can be bypassed
Makes me sick how easy it is
Factory immobilisers are just simple add-ons that are easy to bypass. They are designed to detect the RFID chip in the key, the problem is they are not integrated very well, it should be controlled by anti tamper circuits in the ECU.
It wouldn't be difficult to implement at a factory level but what that means is that you can't re-flash or replace the ECU with a new one without having access to factory unlock codes which of course means these codes will be targeted by thieves. It should be possible to create anti tamper ECU's with built in GPS and tracking data which sends a signal to a central location when it detects unauthorized activity, this could also allow the vehicle to be shut down remotely.
There are areas in the UK now where you can't get insurance on a motorbike if you don't have a secure garage to keep it in, I have even spoken to people who don't use simple disc locks or chain their bikes when leaving them in a supermarket car park because they say they will just claim on the insurance if it gets nicked !
Some good ideas pal. The people that fall back on insurance instead of taking measures are almost as much to blame for the insurance prices goin up as the thieves are
I don't want the tracking thing because it's open for abuse by authorities or whatever. I'd much rather a mandatory 10 year minimum sentence if you're found stealing a motorcycle and go from there.
@@grapewater123 That phrase, "if you are found stealing . . . ." is key because very few thefts are actually stopped at the time. The bike is usually discovered much later and often unattended, if anyone is found in possession of a stolen bike they usually say they found it. Prevention is far better than trying to catch them in the act.
@@ian-c.01 yeah but a few people do get caught after the fact. If you get convicted regardless in the act or after you get a minimum of 10.
This combined with Police making an effort following up on CCTV doing decent forensics and loads of bate bikes and just general police work ... also bike owners wiring in their own custom immobilisers and kill switches etc
In a year this will no longer be a serious issue.
Even if you had Immobilizer with some form of tracking who would chase the thieves?Police do not give a damn to send you updates on case when they close it ( like in my case was ).
There is no agencies or security companies on market offering affordable tracking protection.Even is some offer they do not have rights to enter the property to seek for stolen bikes.
Police is called and they can come next day.
Good luck.
That's no good where do they get them from.
too much talk...moved on
But left a comment first 🤣🤣😂
Shocking!!
Trackers
Those switches are pretty easy to get hold of too :@ Worrying that it's this easy to steal a bike
Crazy
If they change the system the crooks will just learn the new system
Got mine on eBay and been loving my new bike collection since! Best 20 quid ever spent
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Shut up u clown never gonna happen u dreamer lol jeeeezus are there really people like u , no wonder people are turning to the right u muppet
Jeng Anik muppet
@@alisoncolquhoun6203 is delusional lol...
Jeng Anik and your thick as pmsl what wife u with today
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Im so sorry to hear about your bike.thats really sad that theres that many thief's in your city's .n even sadder that its so hard to keep our cycles safe.but hey enjoyed your insights n you all seem down to earth gents.thx for letting the public know whats up.
Yea just like they did with car and air bags they need to do with bikes, they need to add security and some type of lo jack systems to bikes, mine just got stolen and believe me it wil not be founded with the police department in this area. Bike companies need to do something about this. Like add security and anti theft devices and hidden bugs on it so you can find it, at least some type of remote that lets you know when someone messes with your bike, so you can be alerted.
WOW that's terrible , sorry to hear about your loss , yeah something needs to be done for sure, hopefully the manufactures will figure out something !!! If not them then Theft security alarms need to!!
Tbh I don't really mind where it comes from, just as long as someone comes up with a viable solution
Ant on a Slant Yep 👍 agreed!
I would hope they help you in someway it would be nothing for a billion dollar company like Yamaha to do the stand up thing and replace you R6/R1 i don't know what model Yamaha you have i hope they hear you plea homie best wishes from the United States of America
In an idea world that would be nice but I think it's a little unrealistic.
Arron said it himself, the perfect solution is that the issue would be addressed and measures put in place to make it more difficult for thieves.
Your idea wouldn't cost Yamaha much at all, making changes across the range would be big money...
most bikes and cars ..you just run power straight to coil