And he is only a normal marine right? Imagine this mf, bigger than primaris, gets the primaris surgery and becomes the bulkier bulkiest. This big bad bitch would probably have to be modified with leviathan siege dreadnought armor. Would be fuckin rad though imagine him just tanking artillery and shredding through probably even light vehicles. Hope it happens soon.
I like the idea of Asartes just so chonkie they couldn't fit them in regular power armor I imagine like a Khornate Berserker going up to hit him and his weapon just bouncing off, and then for a brief moment the rage disappears and the Berserker has a moment of clarity like "I'm about to get stomped" immediately followed by the most crushing blow from a power fist ever
@@IVLoyalistIronWarriorLegionnaiI don’t like the tassels, but the knightly look is awesome. Entirely out of place in 40k though. Definitely better placed in 30k
@@joesheridan9451 death guard and black legion for sure have it. I’m not sure about the others though. Those few world eaters that used it stuck with Cataphractii, probably because there was minimal plating on the upper arms beneath the pauldrons to allow for greater flexibility in melee.
I will admit despite how goofy they look I would love the Nocturne pattern terminator armor to pop up again in modern 40k, especially since it gives the sallies some more love
Salamanders canonically have an excess of terminator armour left over from the Heresy, it’s really disappointing that they don’t have any special terminator units
@@MLiskindagayit’s the same with Dark Angels. They have an excess of TDA and plasma they share with their successors, since pretty much all of the Unforgiven have 1st companies made entirely of Terminators
What I don’t get is why they need armor. Custodes will just keep staring at you with the one eye remaining when you blow half their head and brains out. I get that they look elegant and royal with the golden armor but imagine how terrifying it would be if they went TTS on them and there was just a man in nothing but a loin cloth kicking the shit out of your entire army, that’s like, fear tactics rivaling titans and night lords…
@@blacksabbath5300 eh the main problem is that they are still technically human they don’t have any enhancements that increase their toughness so even if they can survive getting their head blown off they would most likely get crippled by a landmine before that happens
@@fernadogonzalez2940 for one I doubt a custodes is dumb enough to get screwed by a mine and for two uh we’ve seen plenty of times space marines shrugging off things that would tear apart humans with very little if any damage so do you think a custodes is really as prone to damage as a human? Just their sheer size and muscle mass would increase durability. I don’t give a shit if you have a heavy ass sword or not very few humans would ever be able hurt a custodes at all. Like, try to stab them and watch that shit bounce off.
@@blacksabbath5300i think other guy meant that the way astartes and custodes are built are way different. While the astartes gain its power from implants, the custodes gain its power from the way they were created
@@garlicbreadstick404thing is, the guy is right, custodians are notoriously tough and the armor helps with that, if i can tank a direct hit from a artillery without armor but you can make me armor even stronger? Hell yeah i would take it if for nothing else then just added protection
One important note for the Gorgon pattern Terminator Armor is that it was the prototype that later became Indomitus armor. Specifically, an early prototype made by Ferrus Manus, the Primarch of the Iron Hands, which wasn't completed and was unable to be removed once donned. Once it's on, thats it. Most Iton Hands wouldnt mind, but that had to be rectified whenever Indomitus plate was finalized
Most of the lost speed is due to reduced coordination, so an Astartes skilled enough in using terminator armor will have little to no decrease in mobility compared to if they were wearing standard power armor. That level of skill is vanishingly rare however.
I would just… explode. In the pleasurable way. If tyberos got the primaris conversion surgery to become even chunkier, fuck it, that one thunder warrior tried to become a space marine hybrid to combat the flaws and make a powerful mix, make him a massive primaris thunder warrior war beast and put him in leviathan siege dreadnought modified cataphractii armor (he would have the skill to use it) and just make a book dedicated to the slaughter this man puts on. Genuinely the closest a space marine will get to beating a demon primarch. Khorne would also likely be throbbing over this.
Tyberos isn't the first Astartes to literally be too big for his boots, Abaddon also had to have a custom suit of terminator plate made since he was as big as pre-Warp juice Horus.
Ceramite is ceramic and titanium composite on top of another layer which is probably some grade of metal on top of a frame that is the exo-skeletal power armour. Kinda like a tank. This is all pretty realistic compared to most sci-fi unobtanium and 'ceramite' exists in real life though doesn't have the same properties. The reason marine armour looks like it's metal is because artists, like me, tend not to be savvy to materials or production and scratches on metal look cooler than cracked and crumbling plates. It's not hard to make a soldier bullet proof, you just cover him in thick metal plates. The problem is that they can't carry it, but Space Marines can, even when it's not powered. On this level 40k isn't 'overpowered', as mentioned it's written to make sense or be internally consistent to where suspension of disbelief isn't stretched. Even warp magic is structured to be volatile, come at a high cost and not just a cheap plot device or deus ex machina (at least not all the time). A "vs 40k" that would easily stomp out most things is a Warframe. The premise that it's a 3D printed remote controlled hyper-human alone, is far beyond the base level of 40k. Say marines manage to take out one, you haven't killed the user, he's sitting in a stealthed ship ready to send down not just another one, but one better suited to fight against what he just experienced. That's before mentioning that they have magical powers that range from breaking gravity, stopping time and opening wormholes to the surface of the sun, not to mention biological weapons, invisibility, teleportation, adaptive metal skin and many, many other abilities. But Warframe isn't cooler than 40k. Saturnine/egg terminators are my favourite.
40k is cooler than Warframe? Semi-arguable. I honestly prefer Warframe's strange alien like smooth biomechanical design over the 40k gothic design. 40k has a more expansive lore, but I also like the "human compassion against the Indifferent Reality" theme of Warframe But, ultimately, that's a personal preference, ain't it?
@@MorningLightMtn The context is power, that because warframes are disproportionately more powerful, it doesn’t make it cooler. It has some good ideas for the ‘why’s’ of warframe and I can argue at length for why their construction is great, but the setting suffers from glaring issues such as overexposing the past while scarcely addressing the current setting’s populations. In very important ways Warframe doesn’t have a handle on its fundamentals, but will waste inordinate amounts of time on alternate timelines and puff the magic dragon dream realms. If the question is just ‘do you prefer space ninjas or space knights’ then obviously it’s just subjective. You want a better founded setting and frankly far better told stories? 40k has it beat inordinately, due to having almost four decades worth of writing and refinement.
@@Smilomaniac "because warframes are disproportionately more powerful, it doesn’t make it cooler." Excuse me, but I do not remember saying Warframe is cooler because it's "stronger". Im sorry if that's how it sounded to you, but that was never the intent. I prefer Warframe primarily because of aesthetics, and also the current theme of "Love and Understanding defeats Apathy and Indifference, the True Evil". I honestly could not care less about VS power wanking. We can't even tell how Wally's Void can measure to the Warp, as they're 2 fundamentally different things. While it's true that 40k is leagues better in development and richness, the thing that allowed this to happen, that being a longer history and more writers/developers, also somewhat kneecaps it with inconsistencies, retcons, contradictions and plot holes. And there's nothing wrong with that. A part of the fun of 40k lore-nerding is parsing through both the stories, it's writers and the circumstances at the time of writing. TLDR: Stronger and cooler are often times irrelevant. Just enjoy the stories you like, and have fun discussing it with others.
Yes. In lore, the Custodes have fought on a space hulk orbiting a neutron star, and they had to fight off a Xenos species that had infected a space hulk. They used terminator armor in order to repell the heat from the star, which was close enough to its orbit, that by the end of the book, when they got the mcguffin , the space hulk fell into the star. No, I am not sourcing it for you. Have fun finding which book this was in.
I love all terminator patterns but the cataphractii is the pattern I like the most, I play dg and I love being a big immovable object impervious to damage, also it has cute drape thingies under the shoulder plates
@averageeughenjoyer6429 It's a reference to cataphracts that were fielded by Persians and Byzantines. They were pretty much the tanks of ancient and medieval warfare, so I think it fits.
Keep in mind Saturnine pattern armor is a post-hok explanation of an early GW model that was just called "space marine in terminator armor" it was really just the first wack at depicting terminator armor at all.
Tyberos wears dreadnought armor, as in Tactical Dreadnought Armor, aka terminator armor, the topic of this video. You can tell because he is depicted in his official model in what is clearly a custom suit of terminator armor bearing no resemblance to a dreadnought.
I’m 90% sure the bit about Tyberos wearing modified Dreadnought plate is a popular misconception. It’s custom terminator armor for sure, but it doesn’t have parts of a dreadnought on it.
Im very new to 40k but ive already found my heart belongs to the mechanicus and the iron hands so seeing iron hands having armor thats so intense they need to be mostly machine is metal af and makes me love the iron hands even more
mark the guy who was making death of hope said it's exo armour which is 1st pattern terminator armour if im remembering it right he showed in one of the model vid's he did
My favorite has to be Indomitus. That rebreather helmet is just too damn cool. I wish there was a loyalist version of it that still made use of the reaper pattern double barreled autocannon.
@@felipestriker187 sure the typical assault cannon can spit out more shots, but they’re smaller, nor can they match the precision of a long-barreled autocannon
1:40 It is a micro fusion reactor, it uses the fusion of hydrogen atoms to generate energy, it basically uses the water in the user's sweat to generate craptons of energy. It is basically an "infinite energy cheat code", and that's why there are so much research on the subject in real life.
could you say that the Red Butchers from the world eaters had their own type as it was just a hodgepodge of recovered wargear? It was able to freeze in place if one of them decided to be so kind to turn his fellow planet muncher into a smoothie or is it too similar to cataphractii?
unfortunately the Red Butchers had modified Cataphractii armour that added piecemeal bits from other armours too it. Still a really cool terminator armour though Twin Chainfists tho
@@TheBoneZone40kI'm kinda sad that you didn't mention the Aquilon and Allarus patterns, but a great video overall! (We are waiting for the dreadnoughts)
Arkonak armor is probably just Indomitus redesigned to look similar to Tartaros armor, but distinctly different enough that Asterion can be picked out easily enough in a crowd. Maybe lacking the crest and wings on the pauldrons etc., but keeping the sculpted 'muscles' to align with their Greek feel.
I own 10 Cataphractii that I use on the tabletop for Night Lords as normal chaos Terminators. The sheer volume of fire from their combi-bolters and durability has allowed them to chew through almost anything I throw them against. Really they've solved most problems too durable and/or lethal to throw something else at and they've just been doing incredible since.
Despite the fact, Terminator armor is literally called "tactical dreadnought armor" and Tartaros and Cataphractii look a lot like Contemptor Dreadnoughts.
I’ve been in love with Dark Angels since my older brother showed me his copy of Angels of Death codex back in the day. That and with Cataphractii armour being my favorite the Inner Circle Knights Cenobium terminators are the coolest to me. They’re just walking Astartes sized castles
ok i wanted to ask about the custodes terminator armors and you got me hard with your outro haha!!!! i love they way you describe the incoherent powerscaling in the 40 verse!!! had a lot of discussions about that in my playgroup. keep going go got my sub!
Great video. Indomitus is the pattern I love and always will as it is just so iconic. But I do like Tartaros armour too, it's just a bit too small next to the new beakies now so they'll have to re-scale them eventually.
When the allarus or even aquilon pattern comes out you know shits about to go down since if the custodes are wearing terminator armor you know you off to fight all the demon primarchs at once.
Man the entire video i was like "when's he gonna talk about the custodes terminator pattern & how it's made from auramite..." then the ending, the ending got a good giggle.
The funny thing about 40k power scaling is… it’s not so much that it’s “realistic” as it’s just… relatively more _committed_ to how this works. Is a Bolter that plausible? Maybe not exactly, but 40k is so committed to the logic behind it - there’s a kicking charge that fires a gyrojet the size of a shotgun round, the fuel is synthesized so that it only ignites once the round has left the barrel, it penetrates armor and explodes within. Also, nowadays they’re not caseless anymore, but don’t think too hard about that. It’s not that it’s “real,” it’s that it gives us that much more grasp of how powerful it is.
funfact the tartaros was meant to rollout as the standard armour for all marines according to some sources but the whole horus thing put paid to that idea.
I remember in the first Horus heresy book when they first discribed terrmantor armor they discribed as it just an unrelenting force of death and no weapons of the rebels in the mountains fort could not even flinch them and they where an unstoppable force of the emperor’s wrath
Ok so about the mk1-3 thing. Those do not exist in the lore and they were just prototype miniatures for terminator armor before they decided on Indomitus in the late 80s. The saturnine mini is not saturnine as it’s only mentioned once and we don’t know what it looks like and that egg shaped fucker just got used as a design for 20 suits of terminator armor crafted by Vulkan and they were all destroyed at Istvaan. There is no mk1 and the first terminator armor is cataphractii.
Curious to know what your source is for the lore origins of Terminator armour. The full name is Tactical Dreadnought Armour, and it was originally developed for someone to work within an active plasma reactor and similar extreme/lethal hazards. Terminator armour was introduced during The Great Crusade to reduce losses, but to was too expensive to mass produce. The redesigned Indomitius pattern was also rolled out later into The Great Crusade alongside new weapons like the Assault Cannon and combi-bolters (and maybe Storm Bolters, I can't remember). That wepon upgrade was one of the biggest differences between the patterns as the Calaphractii used twin-bolters and Reaper Autocannons. The Caoaphractii also had shield generators build into the shoulder pads. The Indomitius also had a 'shield', but it was the result of having a shard of the Emperor's armour in the Crux Terminatus on the left shoulder pad
2:04 I fricking love The hazard stripe gauntlet! Its a massive troll, taking The piss on your enemies. Yeah, that power fist sure is hazardous as it is plunged through someones chest cavity.
I may be wrong but I think you had a misunderstanding of Tyberos the red wake. All terminator armor is known as tactical dreadnought armour. Tyberos just has his terminator armor modified to fit his size.
I'm a fan of the indomitus plate just for the utility it has but the Salamander fire drakes have a special place in my army lists because it's always cooler when everything is on fire.
Personally I love the huge bulky ones from the early lore To me they are the ones that actually embody the name "tactical dreadnought armor" Huge, bulky, imposing and impenetrable, they look like battleships with legs
I love the armors and weapons in the Warhammer universe is that they have the "Rough Industrial look" to them, they are not supposed to look or probably ergonomic, but they are strong and sturdy. I recall the Terminator armor was originally made for Planetary mining but then was used for war
okay, Saturnine Terminator is actually just first edition terminator armor, it never had a proper name. The new "Nocturn Pattern" term is probably the new retcon name for the style.
I think the best example of what Terminator armour (specifically Cataphractii) can do is the assault on the Whisperhead mountains in Horus Rising. It describes them marching up the trail to the fortress and shrugging off everything from stubbers to lascannons. It was extremely cool.
Not to be the "akshualy" dude but we have 0 images or clue as to what Saturnine Terminators look like. Those dudes with the huge pauldrons and a bolter slapped in the middle are not Saturnine. It's the "Nocturne" pattern as you said. The reason for the misconception is that people saw the picture of a mysterious Terminator pattern, learned about the Saturnine pattern which had no description and put 1 and 1 together to get 3.
Them future humans in that hole in the middle of the Milky Way be killing each other over a maintenance suit. Kidding aside the Cataphractii pattern looks cool and intimidating.
This video would have been way funnier if you'd talked about the Space Marines like they were fashion models and reviewing their armor was a fashion show
...It says a lot that I wouldn't be surprised if the Custodes actually fought a war on the sun back during the Great Crusade and we just didn't hear about it because it was such a curbstomp that nobody even noticed that it'd happened.
That shot of the terminator from Soul Hunter combined with the intro made me realise you sound like Septimus from the Night Lords Omnibus, just less slavic
It's crazy how Golden Age Humanity was so powerful, that they used terminator armor for farm work and physical labor, something so menial but 40k humanity, that armor is a holy relic and borderline the best they have
Iirc ceramite inthe lore is a futuristic light weight ceramic (light being relative of course). But its super special sauce is that it is made with small amounts of Adamantium laced into it.
I think a lot of people overlook how thick the Indomitus helmet and pauldrons are. The Tartaros has better mobility, the Cata has better shields, but the Indomitus has the thickest helmet and pauldrons. And they got arm cables that can link reactors to things in the hands, allowing the use of the most powerful combo, the Stormshield and Thunderhammer. It also has the waist shields that mark 10 took on later. Tyberos's armour looks like Indomitus with Tartaros legs. Gabriel Angelos has a Tartaros Catapractii shoulders and Indomitus chestplate.
The second I heard you describe tyberos I’m like HOLY SHIT I NEED TO PLAY THIS GUY and then you said that mans name and I already got a model and I was happy af
You see, Allarus terminator armor exists in order to make the nigh-unbeatable custodes actually unbeatable. It is not only tough enough to protect from the shockwaves of orbital bombardment, but flexible and fast enough that it barely hinders its wearer's movement at all.
I love indomitus pattern solely because its SO 40k, but in terms of aesthetics and personal preference Tartaros is my favorite. Holy shit you've got me interested in that Minotaur pattern armor now, though! It hurts that we'll never know what it is
I've always liked the fact that Horus wore one of these. It was custom and obviously a lot bigger but it gave him the sense of being the Primarch equivalent of one of these guys.
The Dark Angels variant of the Cataphractii Terminator is what sold me on the pattern. The knightly look is so damn cool. Definitely the reason why I started an Iron Warriors army with basic ass Cat pattern terminators Or why my dark angels successor Chapter has Indomitus pattern terminators. They pattern is so cool, with the hunched over frame and the space helmet rebreather system being completely eclipsed by the power pack extending over the head
We need more lore on Tyberos the Red Wake, dude is a absolute legend and his chapter of space sharks are one hundred percent underrated.
Beefiest of dudes who probably can only count to 4
Yes
Yes this one.
And he is only a normal marine right? Imagine this mf, bigger than primaris, gets the primaris surgery and becomes the bulkier bulkiest. This big bad bitch would probably have to be modified with leviathan siege dreadnought armor. Would be fuckin rad though imagine him just tanking artillery and shredding through probably even light vehicles. Hope it happens soon.
@Black Sabbath almost as big as a primarch. Definitely bigger than a custodes
I like the idea of Asartes just so chonkie they couldn't fit them in regular power armor
I imagine like a Khornate Berserker going up to hit him and his weapon just bouncing off, and then for a brief moment the rage disappears and the Berserker has a moment of clarity like "I'm about to get stomped" immediately followed by the most crushing blow from a power fist ever
Chainfists actually, with lighting claws mounted on top the gauntlets to use if he chooses
A heavy distorted grunt of a laugh comes from the Marines vox as he smashes
"Damn, he's really aboutta rock my shit"
this has happened . at least twice.
@@captainash1297no, tyberos only whispers, tyberos does not laugh.
Honestly I’m a sucker for Indomitus pattern. It’s just too iconic.
I love that heavy rebreather helmet so much.
I'm more into Cataphractii
@@IVLoyalistIronWarriorLegionnaiI don’t like the tassels, but the knightly look is awesome.
Entirely out of place in 40k though. Definitely better placed in 30k
But it’s in 40k on some chaos units. Death guard terminators have some of it, not sure if any else tbf
@@joesheridan9451 death guard and black legion for sure have it. I’m not sure about the others though. Those few world eaters that used it stuck with Cataphractii, probably because there was minimal plating on the upper arms beneath the pauldrons to allow for greater flexibility in melee.
I will admit despite how goofy they look I would love the Nocturne pattern terminator armor to pop up again in modern 40k, especially since it gives the sallies some more love
Definitely can’t have that at GW
Salamanders canonically have an excess of terminator armour left over from the Heresy, it’s really disappointing that they don’t have any special terminator units
@@MLiskindagayit’s the same with Dark Angels. They have an excess of TDA and plasma they share with their successors, since pretty much all of the Unforgiven have 1st companies made entirely of Terminators
I wouldn’t even be surprised if custodes terminator armor was indeed for fighting C’tan on their home turf
What I don’t get is why they need armor. Custodes will just keep staring at you with the one eye remaining when you blow half their head and brains out. I get that they look elegant and royal with the golden armor but imagine how terrifying it would be if they went TTS on them and there was just a man in nothing but a loin cloth kicking the shit out of your entire army, that’s like, fear tactics rivaling titans and night lords…
@@blacksabbath5300 eh the main problem is that they are still technically human they don’t have any enhancements that increase their toughness so even if they can survive getting their head blown off they would most likely get crippled by a landmine before that happens
@@fernadogonzalez2940 for one I doubt a custodes is dumb enough to get screwed by a mine and for two uh we’ve seen plenty of times space marines shrugging off things that would tear apart humans with very little if any damage so do you think a custodes is really as prone to damage as a human? Just their sheer size and muscle mass would increase durability. I don’t give a shit if you have a heavy ass sword or not very few humans would ever be able hurt a custodes at all. Like, try to stab them and watch that shit bounce off.
@@blacksabbath5300i think other guy meant that the way astartes and custodes are built are way different. While the astartes gain its power from implants, the custodes gain its power from the way they were created
@@garlicbreadstick404thing is, the guy is right, custodians are notoriously tough and the armor helps with that, if i can tank a direct hit from a artillery without armor but you can make me armor even stronger? Hell yeah i would take it if for nothing else then just added protection
One important note for the Gorgon pattern Terminator Armor is that it was the prototype that later became Indomitus armor. Specifically, an early prototype made by Ferrus Manus, the Primarch of the Iron Hands, which wasn't completed and was unable to be removed once donned. Once it's on, thats it. Most Iton Hands wouldnt mind, but that had to be rectified whenever Indomitus plate was finalized
Most of the lost speed is due to reduced coordination, so an Astartes skilled enough in using terminator armor will have little to no decrease in mobility compared to if they were wearing standard power armor. That level of skill is vanishingly rare however.
I would just… explode. In the pleasurable way. If tyberos got the primaris conversion surgery to become even chunkier, fuck it, that one thunder warrior tried to become a space marine hybrid to combat the flaws and make a powerful mix, make him a massive primaris thunder warrior war beast and put him in leviathan siege dreadnought modified cataphractii armor (he would have the skill to use it) and just make a book dedicated to the slaughter this man puts on. Genuinely the closest a space marine will get to beating a demon primarch. Khorne would also likely be throbbing over this.
@@blacksabbath5300 Kaldor Draigo did a number on Mortarion. Power scaling in 40k is weird.
@@emzetkin1100 well for one, gray knight. For two, plot armor.
Tyberos isn't the first Astartes to literally be too big for his boots, Abaddon also had to have a custom suit of terminator plate made since he was as big as pre-Warp juice Horus.
Ceramite is ceramic and titanium composite on top of another layer which is probably some grade of metal on top of a frame that is the exo-skeletal power armour. Kinda like a tank.
This is all pretty realistic compared to most sci-fi unobtanium and 'ceramite' exists in real life though doesn't have the same properties. The reason marine armour looks like it's metal is because artists, like me, tend not to be savvy to materials or production and scratches on metal look cooler than cracked and crumbling plates.
It's not hard to make a soldier bullet proof, you just cover him in thick metal plates. The problem is that they can't carry it, but Space Marines can, even when it's not powered.
On this level 40k isn't 'overpowered', as mentioned it's written to make sense or be internally consistent to where suspension of disbelief isn't stretched. Even warp magic is structured to be volatile, come at a high cost and not just a cheap plot device or deus ex machina (at least not all the time).
A "vs 40k" that would easily stomp out most things is a Warframe.
The premise that it's a 3D printed remote controlled hyper-human alone, is far beyond the base level of 40k. Say marines manage to take out one, you haven't killed the user, he's sitting in a stealthed ship ready to send down not just another one, but one better suited to fight against what he just experienced.
That's before mentioning that they have magical powers that range from breaking gravity, stopping time and opening wormholes to the surface of the sun, not to mention biological weapons, invisibility, teleportation, adaptive metal skin and many, many other abilities.
But Warframe isn't cooler than 40k.
Saturnine/egg terminators are my favourite.
Never would have thought of war frame as a good counter but you make a solid ass point
Great point man, egg armour for the win team
40k is cooler than Warframe? Semi-arguable. I honestly prefer Warframe's strange alien like smooth biomechanical design over the 40k gothic design. 40k has a more expansive lore, but I also like the "human compassion against the Indifferent Reality" theme of Warframe
But, ultimately, that's a personal preference, ain't it?
@@MorningLightMtn The context is power, that because warframes are disproportionately more powerful, it doesn’t make it cooler.
It has some good ideas for the ‘why’s’ of warframe and I can argue at length for why their construction is great, but the setting suffers from glaring issues such as overexposing the past while scarcely addressing the current setting’s populations. In very important ways Warframe doesn’t have a handle on its fundamentals, but will waste inordinate amounts of time on alternate timelines and puff the magic dragon dream realms.
If the question is just ‘do you prefer space ninjas or space knights’ then obviously it’s just subjective.
You want a better founded setting and frankly far better told stories? 40k has it beat inordinately, due to having almost four decades worth of writing and refinement.
@@Smilomaniac "because warframes are disproportionately more powerful, it doesn’t make it cooler."
Excuse me, but I do not remember saying Warframe is cooler because it's "stronger". Im sorry if that's how it sounded to you, but that was never the intent.
I prefer Warframe primarily because of aesthetics, and also the current theme of "Love and Understanding defeats Apathy and Indifference, the True Evil". I honestly could not care less about VS power wanking. We can't even tell how Wally's Void can measure to the Warp, as they're 2 fundamentally different things.
While it's true that 40k is leagues better in development and richness, the thing that allowed this to happen, that being a longer history and more writers/developers, also somewhat kneecaps it with inconsistencies, retcons, contradictions and plot holes.
And there's nothing wrong with that. A part of the fun of 40k lore-nerding is parsing through both the stories, it's writers and the circumstances at the time of writing.
TLDR: Stronger and cooler are often times irrelevant. Just enjoy the stories you like, and have fun discussing it with others.
Yes.
In lore, the Custodes have fought on a space hulk orbiting a neutron star, and they had to fight off a Xenos species that had infected a space hulk. They used terminator armor in order to repell the heat from the star, which was close enough to its orbit, that by the end of the book, when they got the mcguffin , the space hulk fell into the star.
No, I am not sourcing it for you. Have fun finding which book this was in.
I love all terminator patterns but the cataphractii is the pattern I like the most, I play dg and I love being a big immovable object impervious to damage, also it has cute drape thingies under the shoulder plates
Always found it weird how that one in particular is called catapractii
Those drape thingies are tassels. It gives them a cool graeco-roman gladiator aesthetic that fits right in with the legion shtick of 30k.
@averageeughenjoyer6429 It's a reference to cataphracts that were fielded by Persians and Byzantines. They were pretty much the tanks of ancient and medieval warfare, so I think it fits.
Keep in mind Saturnine pattern armor is a post-hok explanation of an early GW model that was just called "space marine in terminator armor" it was really just the first wack at depicting terminator armor at all.
Tyberos wears dreadnought armor, as in Tactical Dreadnought Armor, aka terminator armor, the topic of this video. You can tell because he is depicted in his official model in what is clearly a custom suit of terminator armor bearing no resemblance to a dreadnought.
Dude Grey Knights (besides the baby carrier) get the coolest looking things in almost every scenario
We don't tolerate baby carrier slander in this house
I’m 90% sure the bit about Tyberos wearing modified Dreadnought plate is a popular misconception. It’s custom terminator armor for sure, but it doesn’t have parts of a dreadnought on it.
I like how the chaos terminators look with tusks coming out of the helmets.
Im very new to 40k but ive already found my heart belongs to the mechanicus and the iron hands so seeing iron hands having armor thats so intense they need to be mostly machine is metal af and makes me love the iron hands even more
Welcome to the Tenth brother
"You do not see Tyberos!" ,said he calmly.
Talking about the saturnine, we can see it in motion in the cancelled "death of hope" short
Where in whits part or just tell me
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Real shame 😢
mark the guy who was making death of hope said it's exo armour which is 1st pattern terminator armour if im remembering it right he showed in one of the model vid's he did
Man, I was looking forward to more of that 😑 Had so much potential
My favorite has to be Indomitus. That rebreather helmet is just too damn cool. I wish there was a loyalist version of it that still made use of the reaper pattern double barreled autocannon.
We are iron hands brother we can do a few modifications and slap a reaper autocannons and not be accused of tech heresy
@@felipestriker187 I mean, we used them during the Crusade! Everyone did! Why should we just throw away a perfectly good weapon?
@@felipestriker187 sure the typical assault cannon can spit out more shots, but they’re smaller, nor can they match the precision of a long-barreled autocannon
@@venerablebrothergoriate5844 Wise words ancient one, it is always good to talk with you brother
@@venerablebrothergoriate5844 There's maybe a few stored as relics
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It is a micro fusion reactor, it uses the fusion of hydrogen atoms to generate energy, it basically uses the water in the user's sweat to generate craptons of energy.
It is basically an "infinite energy cheat code", and that's why there are so much research on the subject in real life.
could you say that the Red Butchers from the world eaters had their own type as it was just a hodgepodge of recovered wargear? It was able to freeze in place if one of them decided to be so kind to turn his fellow planet muncher into a smoothie or is it too similar to cataphractii?
unfortunately the Red Butchers had modified Cataphractii armour that added piecemeal bits from other armours too it.
Still a really cool terminator armour though
Twin Chainfists tho
@@TheBoneZone40kI'm kinda sad that you didn't mention the Aquilon and Allarus patterns, but a great video overall! (We are waiting for the dreadnoughts)
@@Miron_Marnic i dont think he added them since they are for the Custodes but still. Agreed!
Arkonak armor is probably just Indomitus redesigned to look similar to Tartaros armor, but distinctly different enough that Asterion can be picked out easily enough in a crowd. Maybe lacking the crest and wings on the pauldrons etc., but keeping the sculpted 'muscles' to align with their Greek feel.
I own 10 Cataphractii that I use on the tabletop for Night Lords as normal chaos Terminators. The sheer volume of fire from their combi-bolters and durability has allowed them to chew through almost anything I throw them against. Really they've solved most problems too durable and/or lethal to throw something else at and they've just been doing incredible since.
What I find crazy is that it’s so heavy that it slows the hulking meat puppets in side it down
Oh Christ it’s the Majorkill “Tyberos is wearing a dreadnought” myth again
Ikr, what a load of bollocks
It sounds cool as shit, therefor it's cannon now.
Despite the fact, Terminator armor is literally called "tactical dreadnought armor" and Tartaros and Cataphractii look a lot like Contemptor Dreadnoughts.
Saw someone in this comment section claiming Tyberos was bigger than a primarch, this myth is getting out of hand.
@accelerationquanta5816 It's so over...
Vulcan must have been drunk when he designed that Saturn pattern looking power armour
All hail the egg Marine! Seriously though Saturnine Armor has a special place in my heart, I have seriously consider buying one of their models.
"Almost impossible to kill" tell that to the Ultramarines who lost half their first company on Oghram to the nids.
I’ve been in love with Dark Angels since my older brother showed me his copy of Angels of Death codex back in the day. That and with Cataphractii armour being my favorite the Inner Circle Knights Cenobium terminators are the coolest to me. They’re just walking Astartes sized castles
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ok i wanted to ask about the custodes terminator armors and you got me hard with your outro haha!!!!
i love they way you describe the incoherent powerscaling in the 40 verse!!!
had a lot of discussions about that in my playgroup. keep going go got my sub!
Great video. Indomitus is the pattern I love and always will as it is just so iconic. But I do like Tartaros armour too, it's just a bit too small next to the new beakies now so they'll have to re-scale them eventually.
I like these WH40K lore videos because it sounds like your brain is melting more and more with every bit of WH40K lore you attempt to process.
When the allarus or even aquilon pattern comes out you know shits about to go down since if the custodes are wearing terminator armor you know you off to fight all the demon primarchs at once.
Man the entire video i was like "when's he gonna talk about the custodes terminator pattern & how it's made from auramite..." then the ending, the ending got a good giggle.
The funny thing about 40k power scaling is… it’s not so much that it’s “realistic” as it’s just… relatively more _committed_ to how this works. Is a Bolter that plausible? Maybe not exactly, but 40k is so committed to the logic behind it - there’s a kicking charge that fires a gyrojet the size of a shotgun round, the fuel is synthesized so that it only ignites once the round has left the barrel, it penetrates armor and explodes within.
Also, nowadays they’re not caseless anymore, but don’t think too hard about that.
It’s not that it’s “real,” it’s that it gives us that much more grasp of how powerful it is.
I like how Gabriel Angelos's Tartaros pattern lets him go pole vaulting across the battlefield.
funfact the tartaros was meant to rollout as the standard armour for all marines according to some sources but the whole horus thing put paid to that idea.
You said "cataphractii" with proper Latin pronunciation, with the long "e" instead of long "i" sound at the end. Well done.
I remember in the first Horus heresy book when they first discribed terrmantor armor they discribed as it just an unrelenting force of death and no weapons of the rebels in the mountains fort could not even flinch them and they where an unstoppable force of the emperor’s wrath
Ok so about the mk1-3 thing. Those do not exist in the lore and they were just prototype miniatures for terminator armor before they decided on Indomitus in the late 80s. The saturnine mini is not saturnine as it’s only mentioned once and we don’t know what it looks like and that egg shaped fucker just got used as a design for 20 suits of terminator armor crafted by Vulkan and they were all destroyed at Istvaan. There is no mk1 and the first terminator armor is cataphractii.
man, your video is strangely entertaining and interesting, your voice is mesmerizing af, thanks
I still find it difficult to grasp that a tyranid claws can cut through a terminator armor.
Welcome to Space Hulk Brother
Curious to know what your source is for the lore origins of Terminator armour. The full name is Tactical Dreadnought Armour, and it was originally developed for someone to work within an active plasma reactor and similar extreme/lethal hazards. Terminator armour was introduced during The Great Crusade to reduce losses, but to was too expensive to mass produce. The redesigned Indomitius pattern was also rolled out later into The Great Crusade alongside new weapons like the Assault Cannon and combi-bolters (and maybe Storm Bolters, I can't remember). That wepon upgrade was one of the biggest differences between the patterns as the Calaphractii used twin-bolters and Reaper Autocannons. The Caoaphractii also had shield generators build into the shoulder pads. The Indomitius also had a 'shield', but it was the result of having a shard of the Emperor's armour in the Crux Terminatus on the left shoulder pad
The Indomitus pattern was put into service after the Heresy - the mainstay armour of all Legions were the Cataphractii and Tartaros patterns.
"They're almost impossible to kill."
The genestealers would like a word, sir.
Tyberos out here being the biggest astartes in existence and yet his voice is just a whisper
Just found this channel, love it.
I like that one Terminator Armor that is used by the Chapter Master of the Blood Ravens, Gabriel Angelos, with which he can do somersaults :)
I’m quite partial to Cataphractii plate. It just looks good.
I do love the chunky-ness
"Alright i failed " really made me laugh
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I fricking love The hazard stripe gauntlet!
Its a massive troll, taking The piss on your enemies.
Yeah, that power fist sure is hazardous as it is plunged through someones chest cavity.
Deathshroud Cataphractii is beautiful
"oh its some custom made armor for salamanders."
just blink twice if its supposed to be saturnine and there was copyright issues for whatever reason.
I may be wrong but I think you had a misunderstanding of Tyberos the red wake. All terminator armor is known as tactical dreadnought armour. Tyberos just has his terminator armor modified to fit his size.
Modified with actual dreadnoght plates
I doubt he has dreadnought plates. Hes not bigger than a Primarch and Primarchs didnt need to wear pieces of a dreadnought.@xuanthanhnguyen4856
He’s not bigger than Alpharius (aka me)?
I'm a fan of the indomitus plate just for the utility it has but the Salamander fire drakes have a special place in my army lists because it's always cooler when everything is on fire.
New to 40k and Just built my first Terminator from my first Terminator Assault Squad. Already love terminators.
Personally I love the huge bulky ones from the early lore
To me they are the ones that actually embody the name "tactical dreadnought armor"
Huge, bulky, imposing and impenetrable, they look like battleships with legs
Imagine being a terminator, thinking you're big shit, and then a massive fuck off space shark just rips you in half.
“So how many variants of terminator armor are the-“
“A LOT. There are a lot. That’s it.”
I love the armors and weapons in the Warhammer universe is that they have the "Rough Industrial look" to them, they are not supposed to look or probably ergonomic, but they are strong and sturdy.
I recall the Terminator armor was originally made for Planetary mining but then was used for war
3:09 Then explain to me why I get clapped by just 10 Tyranids when playing Spacehulk Deathwing?
okay, Saturnine Terminator is actually just first edition terminator armor, it never had a proper name. The new "Nocturn Pattern" term is probably the new retcon name for the style.
I think the best example of what Terminator armour (specifically Cataphractii) can do is the assault on the Whisperhead mountains in Horus Rising. It describes them marching up the trail to the fortress and shrugging off everything from stubbers to lascannons. It was extremely cool.
Us Custodes will be sitting in the corner with our Aquilon and Allarus Terminator Armor.
I will never not see you as the little Terminaton at the begining of the video
Not to be the "akshualy" dude but we have 0 images or clue as to what Saturnine Terminators look like. Those dudes with the huge pauldrons and a bolter slapped in the middle are not Saturnine. It's the "Nocturne" pattern as you said. The reason for the misconception is that people saw the picture of a mysterious Terminator pattern, learned about the Saturnine pattern which had no description and put 1 and 1 together to get 3.
Them future humans in that hole in the middle of the Milky Way be killing each other over a maintenance suit. Kidding aside the Cataphractii pattern looks cool and intimidating.
Tartaros pattern is my favorite as the thought of a nigh impervious giant running at me *FAST* is scary lmao
I want Tartaros to have more rep but atomantic generators being unfixable is a giant issue for sure.
This video would have been way funnier if you'd talked about the Space Marines like they were fashion models and reviewing their armor was a fashion show
He hit us with the “hi, I’m Reggie” At the beginning
The moment you started describing Tyberos I just knew you were talking about him
The Justianian pattern terminator armour is one that is criminally underrated
I love how you can hear in your voice that you know it’s absurd, and your acknowledging it 🤣
"Tyranids can ripped through Terminator armor but Tyberos on Terminator armor can ripped through Tyranids"
Indomitus is still the goat. You cannot beat that classic helmet
Aegis terminator armor- it’s so sleek.
...It says a lot that I wouldn't be surprised if the Custodes actually fought a war on the sun back during the Great Crusade and we just didn't hear about it because it was such a curbstomp that nobody even noticed that it'd happened.
That shot of the terminator from Soul Hunter combined with the intro made me realise you sound like Septimus from the Night Lords Omnibus, just less slavic
Ty for talking about space sharks even just for a little bit
It's crazy how Golden Age Humanity was so powerful, that they used terminator armor for farm work and physical labor, something so menial
but 40k humanity, that armor is a holy relic and borderline the best they have
Love how tough Catafractii are, yet my bombasts shredded 10 of them in 2 shooting phases
The background is a nice touch guy ! 👍
I like big armor man
Iirc ceramite inthe lore is a futuristic light weight ceramic (light being relative of course). But its super special sauce is that it is made with small amounts of Adamantium laced into it.
Gonna be a great day when Titan/Knights or Dreadnoughts or Space Sharks/Tyberos the red wake will get a full video
I think a lot of people overlook how thick the Indomitus helmet and pauldrons are. The Tartaros has better mobility, the Cata has better shields, but the Indomitus has the thickest helmet and pauldrons.
And they got arm cables that can link reactors to things in the hands, allowing the use of the most powerful combo, the Stormshield and Thunderhammer. It also has the waist shields that mark 10 took on later.
Tyberos's armour looks like Indomitus with Tartaros legs. Gabriel Angelos has a Tartaros Catapractii shoulders and Indomitus chestplate.
The second I heard you describe tyberos I’m like HOLY SHIT I NEED TO PLAY THIS GUY and then you said that mans name and I already got a model and I was happy af
You see, Allarus terminator armor exists in order to make the nigh-unbeatable custodes actually unbeatable. It is not only tough enough to protect from the shockwaves of orbital bombardment, but flexible and fast enough that it barely hinders its wearer's movement at all.
I love indomitus pattern solely because its SO 40k, but in terms of aesthetics and personal preference Tartaros is my favorite. Holy shit you've got me interested in that Minotaur pattern armor now, though! It hurts that we'll never know what it is
I've always liked the fact that Horus wore one of these. It was custom and obviously a lot bigger but it gave him the sense of being the Primarch equivalent of one of these guys.
Perturabo too
The comment about University slaughtered me. “ I only dropped out because I failed everything and I was fucking awful“ LOL
I wish I could like your videos more than once.
If you're not deep striking you're not entering combat
Tiberos is so cool I'd buy any game revolving around playing him.
Star Wars vs warhammer 40k by A fan with to much time. Is an amazing series I would recommend it
The red wake had the best terminator armor
not wrong
I agree whole heartedly
The Dark Angels variant of the Cataphractii Terminator is what sold me on the pattern. The knightly look is so damn cool.
Definitely the reason why I started an Iron Warriors army with basic ass Cat pattern terminators
Or why my dark angels successor Chapter has Indomitus pattern terminators. They pattern is so cool, with the hunched over frame and the space helmet rebreather system being completely eclipsed by the power pack extending over the head
Allarus Terminators are for when you want to 1v20 space marines