CF Moto Australia put effort in to come up with much better fuel map which sorted out fuelling issues. If anything motor now more responsive . Real kicker. New Australian fuel mapping rolled out globally as update.
About comparing other bikes like the Versus to this CF Moto, the problem is a lot of other bikes that I been looking at like the Suzuki V-Strom 800 and the Yamaha T7 do NOT come with Cruise Control. Sorry, Not having Cruise Control is a Deal Breaker. If a Cheapo Chinese manufacturer can put Cruise Contol, Heated Grips, Heated Seat, Quick Sfifters as Standard equipmentat a lower price, and then you have companies like KTM put those features on their bikes and then insult us by charging us an additional $700 to keep those features working after the break-in period. I walked away from two different KTM dealerships here in Florida cause of that BS. (I talked to a mechanic at RideNow Jacksonville Fl. and he told me it only takes him about 15 minutes to plug in the computer to reactivate those features. $700. BS! no sale.)
Basically, I feel that the best way to sum up this bike would be to say it is a brand new bike that ktm built for the 2018 market. I really feel that it is as simple as that. Put this next to a 2018 ktm of the same engine size and I recon you would feel like they were exactly the same bike underneath you. ( with a tft screen )
I am looking for another bike and have the Moto Guzzi V85TT and this CF Moto 800mt on my list. How does this compare to the V85TT? there is nothing on the net...
That's because it doesn't compare to the Guzzi, get the Guzzi and never look back. At least that's what I'd do, I'd never buy the 800MT, it's not worth the money...imho. take care, Scott
Just too many variables for a world of so many choses. I'm not destitute and I'm not going to welcome China into what the world that motorcycling has strived to achieve in the year 2022. Third world will welcome CFM. Not my world as I know It. Good honest , cautious review!
Outside the unknown quality control and customer service, I'll spend my money on bikes which come from places that don't have active forced labor camps.
I guarantee that you buy products that originate from countries with forced labor camps. Do a little research for yourself and then check the tags on your belongings. What's ironic is the fact that both Mexico and Canada prohibit imports from countries with forced labor camps while the US has not made such prohibition. And don't forget that these countries also own factories here in the US and sell you their products while skipping out on any tariffs or penalty. Check the label on your computer, XBOX, and video games, I think you may be surprised what you find!
@Nickolas Lewis I suppose you are right. Let me be more specific: I'd rather not spend money on bikes from countries that participate in "ethnic cleansing".
Just a little correction on your info. CFMoto never bought the 790 engine from KTM. CFMoto actually make the 790 and 890 engines for the KTM models that use them. KTM just allowed CFMoto to use the 790 engine, as afaik it was a part of the deal when they moved to the 890 engine. Great review as always!
@@termit1705 stop spreading misinformation. KTM Is still KTM, and is owned by Pierer Mobility AG for about 98% while the rest is Bajaj. what you are talking about is the joint venture of KTM and CFMOTO in China so they can share technologies and would allow CFMOTO to build engines for KTM In China. the joint venture company is called CFMoto-KTMR2R. read and understand things carefully first before you spread them.
Many happy owners in Australia, and even happier with the new fueling update. Terrific value at aud $14500 (without panniers or top box). So many extras are included, unlike competitors. That might be relevant in quoted weights.
Here in Australia CFMOTO have commenced software updates to eliminate the surge. At $14500 ride away (without luggage)it is cheap compared to everything else. Norden $25k, New vstrom 1050de $25k. The Veysys 650 is a great bike but off road it is terrible while the CFMOTO is good at basic off road. The best thing is the choice of bikes, not everyone can afford top end and if all bikes were the same then how boring would that be?
I own one of these and I must say if you tune the suspension it is crazy how it is handling in corners you can just trow it and eat that corner easy! BIG problem with the mapping or fueling! It is snachy on the gas again cuz of the mapping. It is really premium made but I have problems with mine, gear selector started going crazy on a hill or in a turn after you try to shift to second it goes second and just falls back to neutral on its own, quickshiffter is like on 790, has a mind of his own, water found a way some where and it is affecting my computer. Hope all of it will be resolved when it goes to the shop for warranty claim. All in all bike is phenomenal to ride!
Just an FYI, I have ridden my Tiger GT Pro for about 8000 miles now and consistently average 56-58 MPG if the info helps. Like your videos though, thanks.
Its seriously as though they tried to make this motorcycle subpar on purpose just so it really cant compete with KTM's 890 or even the 790 I guess the market is the severely budget limited that insists on buying new? I would not even consider this pig personally. I would buy a low milage used KTM 790 or hopefully 890 everytime
Goodluck finding one at this price. Not to mention all the added cost you need to spend on that low mileage 790 to get all the stuff that comes with this bike. There is a reason this bike is the 3rd most bought adv bike in Australia this year next to the tenere 700 and 890 adventure.
Good constructive review as always however, you should have listed absolutely everything that comes with the bike so viewers can see how much more they get for less in comparison to the mainstream leaders. I am not sure if the prices have changed in Europe but here in the UK this bike now costs £9,199.00! That's a steal!! Lol Keep up the good work and God bless. 👍🏿
Just a bit confused with this, all my stats say its 95hp not 89hp, also the weight is including your pannier racks, bashplates and crashbars. Also, the fuel mapping has a free patch fix now developed by the Aussies and CFMOTO have said they are going to roll it out over the whole world shortly.
The numbers are dependent on the number of tree huggers that live in your country. If your numbers are higher then you have less tree huggers, lower then more tree huggers 😥
just to point out CFMOTO did not buy the engine, the companies have a joint partnership that the Chinese company owns slightly more than half, they also build the engine in both sizes for KTM, they also have a variation of one of the large V twins, both engines they get to use through the partnership
No remote preload adjustment for the rear suspension. On an ADV tourer, that's baffling... unless you're the type that doesn't switch between riding solo and riding 2-up with luggage very often.
Great review.I think it's an awesome package . You might as well look into the possibility of a review on CF Moto X-Cape 650, Id like to hear your opinion on it..
I couldn’t get rid of my Versys 650 fast enough. I found it to be a horribly uncomfortable motorcycle after about 45 minutes in the saddle. Otherwise, I agree with your assessment of it. It IS great value for the money. That said, I would bump up to this one in a heartbeat.
In some countries the touring model costs as low as £10k equivalent. That's way to low and why people will consider to buy it. My favourite in the middleweight group is Tiger 900
The aprilia price seems to have come down - maybe check this because I think it will be more like 11k. Add hard luggage and it surely beats this bike?. This bike could rattle ktm sales?
Hi Scott, small correction from a KTM 790 Adventure owner: on 790/890 Adventure (which you should compare with this bike), you dont need to go into menu to activate the heated grips, instead you get an extra button on the handle bars. On 1290 Adventure it's in the menu
I put a deposit on one but then cancelled the order a few days later, just wasn’t feeling right about it a little voice in my head kept saying it’s cheap for a reason
It seems a bit overpriced to me even if you do get a top box and panniers, pretty hefty too for an 800. Considering the quality of the bikes it's competing with and it's uninspiring ride credentials as reviewed by Scott. If the new V-strom 1050 DE comes in around that price mark with its new dual purpose leanings, I'd see no reason for anyone to buy the CFMoto at all.
the 1050 DE is 15.8 k in Germany, base price, so that makes it 60% more expensive. Also it's 252 kilos now .... jeeez. I am very curios about the revamped v strom 700 that has just been spotted. Some even speculate 800 but that's anybodies guess right now.
@@ioandragulescu6063 Thanks for putting me right, I'd only seen a speculative video by Motobob where he was guessing around the £11,000 mark. Yes the new 700/800? will be interesting to see, as will the rumoured 750 Transalp/Africa Twin. There'll be a massive market for both but will supply meet demand? Unless you pre order upon rumours few bikes now are actually putting rubber on showroom floors. I wanted a new KTM 890 Adventure R but delivery dates were speculative at best. I finally settled for a low milage used model, I specked it up to suit my needs and it wasn't that much more than the CFMoto but is way beyond it in handling, durability and power.
In Australia the Suzuki would be at least 50% more plus cost of bags. Also in Oz very few used bikes have a warranty even when purchased from dealer - whereas Cfm has 3 year warranty. However this is let down by very limited dealership network - and long distances between major cities here - at least 1,000km plus more. I read that on UK ktm sell the cfm???
I wish you had made that review much earlier. I really count your opinion, and I wouldn't have bought this motorcycle. Overall I am not disappointed until now, but I have serious concerns about the future. I have made already 4K km in road trips and I do not use it as an everyday vehicle. I MUST say I have no complaints except the fuel mapping which is already solved...
@@ioannisrigas Is there any way to see what version of ECU mapping is installed on the motorcycle? I have tried to discuss this subject with the local dealer, but they don’t seem to know anything about an update. If you know the actual version installed on your motorcycle, would appreciate letting me know. Thank you.
Yea, this bike had me thinking about a few other bikes too while I had it, sad really. They say "imitation is the sincerest form of flattery", I say it's just copying & that's not a compliment.
I very much liked the level of detail you gave here. I'm hoping I will find that you have a review of a more current version of this bike as there have been some fixes/improvements.
The KTM 790 Adventure was always criticised for it's lack of low down torque, something the 890 Adventure fixed. This being heavier, and with less power and torque, must be even worse in those scenarios.
@@summerforever6736 yep I understand...and I am old enough to remember how people were about Japanese cars and motorcycles and now they are the best most reliable in the world. My CF Moto is every bit of quality my 1250 GS is.
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they remapped it and now the throttle feels 100000% better
Is it a software update they need to do?
CF Moto Australia put effort in to come up with much better fuel map which sorted out fuelling issues. If anything motor now more responsive . Real kicker. New Australian fuel mapping rolled out globally as update.
About comparing other bikes like the Versus to this CF Moto, the problem is a lot of other bikes that I been looking at like the Suzuki V-Strom 800 and the Yamaha T7 do NOT come with Cruise Control. Sorry, Not having Cruise Control is a Deal Breaker. If a Cheapo Chinese manufacturer can put Cruise Contol, Heated Grips, Heated Seat, Quick Sfifters as Standard equipmentat a lower price, and then you have companies like KTM put those features on their bikes and then insult us by charging us an additional $700 to keep those features working after the break-in period. I walked away from two different KTM dealerships here in Florida cause of that BS. (I talked to a mechanic at RideNow Jacksonville Fl. and he told me it only takes him about 15 minutes to plug in the computer to reactivate those features. $700. BS! no sale.)
New mapping on the way to the world developed here in Australia 👌
i have it and makes a massive difference.
Great review. The unanswered question is how reliable it is and how it keeps its value if you sold it after few years.
Good point.
Most likely value will drop like a stone.
But this must be on mind basically when you think to get one,..the price is really attractive..its just an Orange with Different cloth..
Thanks for the review. Love the German (Bavarian?) backdrop!
Basically, I feel that the best way to sum up this bike would be to say it is a brand new bike that ktm built for the 2018 market. I really feel that it is as simple as that. Put this next to a 2018 ktm of the same engine size and I recon you would feel like they were exactly the same bike underneath you. ( with a tft screen )
Yep, just buy a used KTM 790 ADV...done.
@@NothingToProve or just buy one of these 🤷♂️
I am looking for another bike and have the Moto Guzzi V85TT and this CF Moto 800mt on my list. How does this compare to the V85TT? there is nothing on the net...
That's because it doesn't compare to the Guzzi, get the Guzzi and never look back. At least that's what I'd do, I'd never buy the 800MT, it's not worth the money...imho.
take care,
Scott
Just too many variables for a world of so many choses. I'm not destitute and I'm not going to welcome China into what the world that motorcycling has strived to achieve in the year 2022. Third world will welcome CFM. Not my world as I know It. Good honest , cautious review!
Outside the unknown quality control and customer service, I'll spend my money on bikes which come from places that don't have active forced labor camps.
Agreed....
I guarantee that you buy products that originate from countries with forced labor camps. Do a little research for yourself and then check the tags on your belongings. What's ironic is the fact that both Mexico and Canada prohibit imports from countries with forced labor camps while the US has not made such prohibition. And don't forget that these countries also own factories here in the US and sell you their products while skipping out on any tariffs or penalty. Check the label on your computer, XBOX, and video games, I think you may be surprised what you find!
@Nickolas Lewis I suppose you are right. Let me be more specific: I'd rather not spend money on bikes from countries that participate in "ethnic cleansing".
Just a little correction on your info. CFMoto never bought the 790 engine from KTM. CFMoto actually make the 790 and 890 engines for the KTM models that use them. KTM just allowed CFMoto to use the 790 engine, as afaik it was a part of the deal when they moved to the 890 engine.
Great review as always!
And I think if on this nice bike is instead CFMoto a KTM sign on, it would get from many "bike tester" a better rating.
Cf Moto is owner of 51% KTM
@@termit1705 So that makes KTM 51% Chinese. No thanks KTM.
@@termit1705 stop spreading misinformation. KTM Is still KTM, and is owned by Pierer Mobility AG for about 98% while the rest is Bajaj. what you are talking about is the joint venture of KTM and CFMOTO in China so they can share technologies and would allow CFMOTO to build engines for KTM In China. the joint venture company is called CFMoto-KTMR2R. read and understand things carefully first before you spread them.
@@kugangles9860 it was misinformation. dont believe it. Look at my comment above.
Many happy owners in Australia, and even happier with the new fueling update.
Terrific value at aud $14500 (without panniers or top box). So many extras are included, unlike competitors. That might be relevant in quoted weights.
This is the best looking KTM ever.
@x xznn_x Yep...
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Here in Australia CFMOTO have commenced software updates to eliminate the surge. At $14500 ride away (without luggage)it is cheap compared to everything else. Norden $25k, New vstrom 1050de $25k. The Veysys 650 is a great bike but off road it is terrible while the CFMOTO is good at basic off road. The best thing is the choice of bikes, not everyone can afford top end and if all bikes were the same then how boring would that be?
Very good point - they need some more dealers though.
I own one of these and I must say if you tune the suspension it is crazy how it is handling in corners you can just trow it and eat that corner easy! BIG problem with the mapping or fueling! It is snachy on the gas again cuz of the mapping. It is really premium made but I have problems with mine, gear selector started going crazy on a hill or in a turn after you try to shift to second it goes second and just falls back to neutral on its own, quickshiffter is like on 790, has a mind of his own, water found a way some where and it is affecting my computer. Hope all of it will be resolved when it goes to the shop for warranty claim. All in all bike is phenomenal to ride!
How heavy did it feel?
Did you get it fixed and try the new fuel map updates?
The headlights on this bike and even the general design look awesome.Two thumbs up on the looks for me.Chers!!!
Just an FYI, I have ridden my Tiger GT Pro for about 8000 miles now and consistently average 56-58 MPG if the info helps. Like your videos though, thanks.
Its seriously as though they tried to make this motorcycle subpar on purpose just so it really cant compete with KTM's 890 or even the 790 I guess the market is the severely budget limited that insists on buying new? I would not even consider this pig personally. I would buy a low milage used KTM 790 or hopefully 890 everytime
Goodluck finding one at this price. Not to mention all the added cost you need to spend on that low mileage 790 to get all the stuff that comes with this bike.
There is a reason this bike is the 3rd most bought adv bike in Australia this year next to the tenere 700 and 890 adventure.
Really like your down to earth approach and humor.
Thanks
Good constructive review as always however, you should have listed absolutely everything that comes with the bike so viewers can see how much more they get for less in comparison to the mainstream leaders.
I am not sure if the prices have changed in Europe but here in the UK this bike now costs £9,199.00!
That's a steal!! Lol
Keep up the good work and God bless. 👍🏿
It has many more options than anything in its price range.
Chinese company, questionable reliability, poor resale value, tiny dealer network. There's a reason why it's budget.
Hey Scott..You might wanna get that growth on your neck checked out...looks hairy!.
Either that or trim your chest hair! 😉
CFmoto have been making the 790/890 platform for KTM since 2020...
Sounds like it needed a final session of calibration testing that it didn't get
Budget is my main concern and I still wouldn't get this one, sorry CFMoto.
Chinese made bike you should be where they have listening device inside of them to spy on us jk lol
Just a bit confused with this, all my stats say its 95hp not 89hp, also the weight is including your pannier racks, bashplates and crashbars.
Also, the fuel mapping has a free patch fix now developed by the Aussies and CFMOTO have said they are going to roll it out over the whole world shortly.
The numbers are dependent on the number of tree huggers that live in your country. If your numbers are higher then you have less tree huggers, lower then more tree huggers 😥
Definitely enjoyed this Review - Thank You !! :)
just to point out CFMOTO did not buy the engine, the companies have a joint partnership that the Chinese company owns slightly more than half, they also build the engine in both sizes for KTM, they also have a variation of one of the large V twins, both engines they get to use through the partnership
No remote preload adjustment for the rear suspension. On an ADV tourer, that's baffling... unless you're the type that doesn't switch between riding solo and riding 2-up with luggage very often.
Yea, that's why I pointed that out. It would frustrate me to death. :(
I agree 100% 👍👍..could an aftermarket shock have remote adjust ???
Great review.I think it's an awesome package . You might as well look into the possibility of a review on CF Moto X-Cape 650, Id like to hear your opinion on it..
Yeah! That's a nice looking bike!
Do they suffer the KTM camshaft issues
What are your thoughts on the new Honda TransAlp?
Comparing the weights you need to check if the weight of 800MT is measured with crash guards, plate, suitcases etc.
They are probably not included in the weight. As centre stands never are either.
Scott,we can see your enthusiasm in a bike you like,and the opposite.here,is the opposite
Yep, you got it. 👍
I couldn’t get rid of my Versys 650 fast enough. I found it to be a horribly uncomfortable motorcycle after about 45 minutes in the saddle. Otherwise, I agree with your assessment of it. It IS great value for the money. That said, I would bump up to this one in a heartbeat.
In some countries the touring model costs as low as £10k equivalent. That's way to low and why people will consider to buy it. My favourite in the middleweight group is Tiger 900
In principle, I’m not an adventure bike fan, but this one and the Moto-Morini X-cape, really look nice!
The aprilia price seems to have come down - maybe check this because I think it will be more like 11k. Add hard luggage and it surely beats this bike?. This bike could rattle ktm sales?
Hi Scott, small correction from a KTM 790 Adventure owner: on 790/890 Adventure (which you should compare with this bike), you dont need to go into menu to activate the heated grips, instead you get an extra button on the handle bars. On 1290 Adventure it's in the menu
Steering wheel? ....sorry, couldn't resist!
890 is menu, 790 is button....can install 790 grips on 890 though.
Got it. The bike is meh :)
Plastic handgrips are angled down for some strange reason.
I put a deposit on one but then cancelled the order a few days later, just wasn’t feeling right about it a little voice in my head kept saying it’s cheap for a reason
Go test ride one and get a feel for yourself.
Pretty nice machine! The Chinese are definitely coming. Good and honest review as ever!
thank you, that is a realistic view of the 800mt, many others are a bit too overly positive about this bike
Thank you! This would have been a good bike 10 years ago, now it's way below par.
is this TCS (traction control system)?
@14:12 you still haven't tried the little v strom....
Mt10 2022 please spin. Please, thnk u....
This looks like a KIA car on the front 😀
Front of bike based on preditor face!
Like the review. I won't buy anything made in China! Just me.
Your home must be empty! 🤣
It seems a bit overpriced to me even if you do get a top box and panniers, pretty hefty too for an 800. Considering the quality of the bikes it's competing with and it's uninspiring ride credentials as reviewed by Scott. If the new V-strom 1050 DE comes in around that price mark with its new dual purpose leanings, I'd see no reason for anyone to buy the CFMoto at all.
the 1050 DE is 15.8 k in Germany, base price, so that makes it 60% more expensive. Also it's 252 kilos now .... jeeez. I am very curios about the revamped v strom 700 that has just been spotted. Some even speculate 800 but that's anybodies guess right now.
@@ioandragulescu6063 Thanks for putting me right, I'd only seen a speculative video by Motobob where he was guessing around the £11,000 mark. Yes the new 700/800? will be interesting to see, as will the rumoured 750 Transalp/Africa Twin. There'll be a massive market for both but will supply meet demand? Unless you pre order upon rumours few bikes now are actually putting rubber on showroom floors.
I wanted a new KTM 890 Adventure R but delivery dates were speculative at best. I finally settled for a low milage used model, I specked it up to suit my needs and it wasn't that much more than the CFMoto but is way beyond it in handling, durability and power.
In Australia the Suzuki would be at least 50% more plus cost of bags.
Also in Oz very few used bikes have a warranty even when purchased from dealer - whereas Cfm has 3 year warranty. However this is let down by very limited dealership network - and long distances between major cities here - at least 1,000km plus more.
I read that on UK ktm sell the cfm???
Fueling issue in the “sweet spot” (4K-6k) ?… no sale
Read the comments above. A new map was distributed and its supposed to be really good.
Damn euro5 flatspots
Pls don't call it budget, this is the future 😜
🤣🤣🤣
I wish you had made that review much earlier. I really count your opinion, and I wouldn't have bought this motorcycle. Overall I am not disappointed until now, but I have serious concerns about the future. I have made already 4K km in road trips and I do not use it as an everyday vehicle. I MUST say I have no complaints except the fuel mapping which is already solved...
How did you solve the fueling issue? Dealer?after market remap?
@@BERZERKERSV4 Τhere is official remapping from CF for EU. Available on dealers
@@ioannisrigas Is there any way to see what version of ECU mapping is installed on the motorcycle? I have tried to discuss this subject with the local dealer, but they don’t seem to know anything about an update. If you know the actual version installed on your motorcycle, would appreciate letting me know. Thank you.
@@florinmanea2001 SW/VERSION: 2.01.02 HW/VERSION:00.09
This is for EU ONLY though...
...a touch of Honda Varadero going on there.
Yea, this bike had me thinking about a few other bikes too while I had it, sad really. They say "imitation is the sincerest form of flattery", I say it's just copying & that's not a compliment.
I very much liked the level of detail you gave here. I'm hoping I will find that you have a review of a more current version of this bike as there have been some fixes/improvements.
Chinese bikes are making a lot of progresses but parts support might be an issue as far as I can guess
The KTM 790 Adventure was always criticised for it's lack of low down torque, something the 890 Adventure fixed. This being heavier, and with less power and torque, must be even worse in those scenarios.
Thank you for the thorough review. I will not support China’s splash into the motorcycling world. Just a personal choice.
Agreed.....
Wouldn't take it for free!
Cfmoto is great, cheap, loaded with extras. Then they put a cheap rubber "O" ring in the motor. And bam. Your stuck 19 miles from civilization. .
Lol….all motorcycles have heaps of Chinese parts in them even BMW. Why don’t you ride one before you show your uneducated bias
Yea i would not trust it!
Just do not give me a piece of mind as a Japanese bike would!
@@summerforever6736 yep I understand...and I am old enough to remember how people were about Japanese cars and motorcycles and now they are the best most reliable in the world. My CF Moto is every bit of quality my 1250 GS is.
@@occyman ok good enjoy it
You live in 2010...