Firstly, thank you. This is a phenomenal review of the 800MT - the best among the numerous I have scoured across the u-tube and web. Secondly, due to how comprehensive this review is, it allowed me to make an informed decision of purchasing the 800MT Touring model. Outstanding work for this review, very much appreciated for those who are price conscious and not whetted to big brands but rather, true value for money!
A really good and thorough review. Loving it! Fantastic to see aussie-made videos gradually gaining popularity especially in the off-road genre. Wonderful work mate. 🍻
Great review of the bike for its intended purpose & overall good value for money considering what's currently on the market in that range. Having looked over the bike personally I do not think it looks cheap at all....quite the opposite. Got more features than most bikes straight out of the factory and it will makes its mark over time.
The 1-3gear jerkiness would be it running lean due to emissions, likely could be fixed cheaply (a resistor to trick the computer into thinking it’s in a higher gear) or properly re-tuning the fueling.
Great review - of all the testers out I trust your no nonsense and straightforward approach with both the good and not so Curtis. Must try one of these too along with the 450MT, Transalp, Vstrom 800DE and the KTM 790 adv.
Awesome job with the review mate. It’s exactly what people need. I can see a lot more purchases of the CF MOTO, because of this, including me. Keep up the good work🙂👍🏼
Brilliant review, im going to test ride one tomorrow (friday 23/5/24 Ireland), currently riding a 2020 v strom 650 xt , i ride road only no off roading for me.
I have the 800 MT Explore, same bike with a few more electronic options. You can turn the ABS off, traction control. I've only done 5500km, loving it so far
OTBW, good day. I hope you are well. Living in the USA, I have only known the MT800 to be known as the 'Ibex 800 T (or 'S'). The upgrade from the 'S' to the 'T' trim is worth the $1k for what you get. I have only ridden road bikes in my 26 years of riding. '80 Honda CB650 standard, '04 Yamaha V-Star 1100 Classic, '76 Honda CB750SS, '98 Honda VFR800 (5th gen) Interceptor, '07 Honda ST1300. I have not ridden off-road yet. As I start riding adv/off-road, I would probably start with an early '90's BMW R100GS....or a new RE Himalayan. I do, however, would be very interested in the 'Ibex' MT800. I would want to know more about the reliability of the KTM engine and frame though.
Thanks for doing a CFMoto review, sort of wished I had more information before I bought my first motorcycle. Ton of features on it, I wonder about service and longevity.
Yeh,gidday digger,hey,um,thanks cobber,bloody great review,specially bout the seat height and you can get a 30milli upgrade ,all the best me old wallaby!!
Have come back for second look at your review. Do you recall whether this engine was designed with a catalytic converter in mind? I recently removed the Cat off my aging 2001 R1150GS only to find l had a an engine with heaps more torque and midcrange power. It is like being on a different bike, and from idle the torque is a completely different kettle of fish. I personally am not interested in more power (the MT has 10kw more than my BMW, but about 35Nm less torque), but do cherish decent torque. So l wondered what this engine would be like withiut the CAT.
I’m looking to buy my first adventure bike and the available features offered along with the price make the 800MT a strong contender. I’ve always rode tarmac so for someone like me who wants to start getting off-road and learn that style of riding, would this be a good bike to start on or would something like a Tenere-7 make more sense? I really like the features offered by the 800MT which the T7 does not offer but the off-road handling of the T7 gets stellar reviews. I’m conflicted…
If you're just learning, the MT will be fine. The Tenere is definitely more capable. Ideally you'd start on something much lighter than both, but if you're confident or just doing easy dirty and gravel roads go for it!
Really great review! You gave it a proper workout in the bush! Amazing amount of spec and a 790 engine for the price! Impressed with the quality of your videos too as it's the 1st time I've seen them - subbed, keep up the good work 👍
@onthebackwheel - Curtis - can you share what the ride difference would be between the VSTROM 650 & MT800? I'd appreciate your perspective. Money aside, which would you go with and why please.
Gday mate. I haven't ridden the 650 (a friend did just buy one). I personally would choose the mt800 unless reliability is a big concern for you. More power, more tech and newer all round
@@onthebackwheel I recently came off an Africa Twin. Far far too heavyweight a bike for me, mt800 might be a good mid point between Vstrom and that - other options a plenty, we all know to get to dirt you're doing 80 paved roads. So I recon this might wb worth at least a test ride when my leg heals up!
I'm confused by this review. It is glowing and destructive all at the same time. It started off balanced but in summary it was more negative..... Still scratching my head to understand this bike. Thanks for putting in the work.
I just picked up a 21 model with 12000 ks 1 owner inc accesories for less than 10k ,, i was looking for an inexpensive adventure bike ,, after owning a 18 vstrom 650 and a 16 klr 650, the mt just blew me away, i also own a ducati 19 950 enduro, (it doesnt go off road) the mt feels very similar, at a third of the price so i wont mind a few scratches,,its features are amazing ,, if your looking for a quality adventure bike id reccomend it,, it begs the question, is the mt 800 cheap, or are the others too expensive,, great review cheers
Great video! It was good to see someone testing a bike while riding it properly. I continue to be amazed at how slow most other riders seem to be on UA-cam.
Does it have a catalytic converter that is not in the muffler? If so, the sweet spot in the mid range could benefit from removing it. In australia, that ok.
You said it's not compared to a Tenere. But isn't this bike significantly better, with 25 more horsepower, and only a little bit more weight than a Tenere, and cost about the same? I think a Tenere engine is almost identical in it's design, and so the bikes must be comparable in a lot of ways?
Hey mate, they compare in some ways, but they are vastly different. The Tenere is much more off-road focused, longer travel suspension, a fair bit lighter and has an on top, dirt bike feel. If you want to do some light off-road and more touring, the 800MT is definitely a better pick
@@onthebackwheel 100%, we have a Versys-X 300 and it’s brilliant, I wish they’d add a Versys-X 400 with 21” front, 180mm travel and decent ground clearance!
@onthebackwheel would you recommend this bike for a newer ADV rider. I am getting into the ADV scene but can't justify spending big bucks on a bike until I learn more. I am experienced off road with Yamaha TTR bikes and on road with FZ09 bikes.
@@onthebackwheel I love in Western NC so it's not like I will go across the Sahara Dessert or the Great Continental Dived out west. Mostly just mintained fire breaks and gravel roads.
19,999 AUD for a standard Tenere .... wow .... that's 12,960 Euro .... in the EU they sell the 2022 Standard Tenere 700 for 10,900 Euro (in 2023). The 2022 Rally version with some accessories is still 12,400 Euro, same price as last year. I guess I was extremely lucky to buy an almost new 2021 Tenere 700 Rally for just 10,400 Euro last year in April
How would you compare this to a Tiger 800 xrx? Is it better to get the new and cheap but well spec'd 800mt, or a preloved tiger 800 that doesn't have any fuelling issues off the bat?
@@joshuagray7765 I'd lean towards a set up second hand 800 then. If you're going new, 100% the CF Moto, it's a really good bike and comes with quite road biased tyres and everything youd need/want
Have seen it in person and it looks ok. Live in Sweden and it is a new make here. Therefor buyers will be suspicious of it and it will probably sell bad. Bad aftermarket value. Will it be long lived as a make here? If it leaves the Sweden market what happens to the support? Hmm will stick to known makers i think.
Your series on this bike made a decent contribution to my ultimate decision to buy one & I can report that It's a great motorcycle with unbeatable value. Thank You for Your real world review 👍
Does the 800MT IBEX have the super low (horrendously dumb) gearing that the beautiful IBEX 450 has? The IBEX 450 is geared so low, it turns 6,000 rpms at an indicated 60mph, which is truly insane. WHY are people not complaining loudly about these amazing high powered new motorcycles having no overdrive gear for the street? I am still waiting for one company to design a bike with a proper overdrive in 6th gear. Note: 6th gear should be such a tall gear that you can't use it at all, except when you're cruising across the open desert on a long highway at 80mph.
Hey, thanks for the review. I might buy one in less than 2 months... Did CFMOTO fixed the throttle problem? I mean the injection thingy with the small gap around 4.000 or 5.000 rpm?
It's a lot of bike for the money and a four year warranty. If you stuck a KTM,BMW or Triumph badge, on it you'd pay a lot more. Think we sometimes we worry about the badge to much 🤔 🤣🤣
@OnTheBackWheel yes fully agree with you. Was thinking of changing my 800xca for a 900 rally pro next year but think I'll look at this and have £5k left over for touring 🤣🤣
@OnTheBackWheel will definitely be looking at the CF Moto mind. Don't do hardly do any off-roading mind but like the riding position and the features and that's a massive reduction on outlay 🤣🤣
That's the problem with asian mfrs. They design bikes for 5ft men, which, with the seat and tank designs, make them ball busters in a collision, or anything that throws your body forward.
I do agree this "Review" was thorough, but! Bikes do come with pillion foot rest, double up and lets get a 2nd opinion, load it with gear, TOO !!!? With my 50+ [still riding] years of motorcycles, scooters etc, mechanic and test rider.. Briefly involved with Two Wheels and REVS publications, I knew a few of the review writers.. lot of memories.. So if you are going to review a motorcycle/ seems copycatting/ in most no need for joy riding, its fun/ think of it this way look at the future riding.. remember back in the day they where Trail/Dirt Bikes and it was an "adventure".. I had a Yamaha XT500/ made all the carry rack gear and used an old camera case for a [top box] anyway...just an opinion not met to be disgraceful..cheers
Mate I’ve ridden it and it’s built like a brick #$it house…. Excellent build quality…..in fact I am selling my 2020 BMW1250GS and will buy one (and put the rest of the cash in the bank).
Firstly, thank you. This is a phenomenal review of the 800MT - the best among the numerous I have scoured across the u-tube and web. Secondly, due to how comprehensive this review is, it allowed me to make an informed decision of purchasing the 800MT Touring model. Outstanding work for this review, very much appreciated for those who are price conscious and not whetted to big brands but rather, true value for money!
Glad I could help mate. A few people now have said they've bought one from my videos and are really enjoying them
@@onthebackwheel Plz do more of cfmoto brand Mate :D Super informative !
@@nevTk-oe9ud not a bad idea. I've been thinking about it
How are you finding the bike so far?
A really good and thorough review. Loving it! Fantastic to see aussie-made videos gradually gaining popularity especially in the off-road genre. Wonderful work mate. 🍻
Thanks mate
Great review of the bike for its intended purpose & overall good value for money considering what's currently on the market in that range. Having looked over the bike personally I do not think it looks cheap at all....quite the opposite. Got more features than most bikes straight out of the factory and it will makes its mark over time.
Love your reviews ! ! Good old Aussie common sense and no BS . Well done.
Thanks Butch!
The 1-3gear jerkiness would be it running lean due to emissions, likely could be fixed cheaply (a resistor to trick the computer into thinking it’s in a higher gear) or properly re-tuning the fueling.
Good review, I’m 6’1” and the high seat made a big difference, both higher and narrower.
Great review mate !
As an owner I can ensure you that the bike is like you said : a very good adv - touring bike !
Greetings from Greece !
Hey have you had any error message about MCU failure? I go off road a lot and started getting this error.
Great review - of all the testers out I trust your no nonsense and straightforward approach with both the good and not so Curtis. Must try one of these too along with the 450MT, Transalp, Vstrom 800DE and the KTM 790 adv.
Thanks mate, you've got some trying to do
The entire series was great! Nice job. In no way does it look cheap.. looks brilliant
Awesome job with the review mate. It’s exactly what people need. I can see a lot more purchases of the CF MOTO, because of this, including me. Keep up the good work🙂👍🏼
Thanks Rick, very appreciated
Brilliant review, im going to test ride one tomorrow (friday 23/5/24 Ireland), currently riding a 2020 v strom 650 xt , i ride road only no off roading for me.
Cheers. Should be a solid upgrade
Great work Curtis, nice wrap up there! They certainly have a lot going for them!
Thanks bud
I really love how you treat that bike.
Would really like to see you testing the new 800mt Explorer
Thanks mate. I'll put it on the list
I have the 800 MT Explore, same bike with a few more electronic options. You can turn the ABS off, traction control. I've only done 5500km, loving it so far
Nice mate, sound like great additions
I really like your accent. So easy to understand. Thanks again. Kind regards from Türkiye
Thanks!
Excellent review! Well done🇦🇺
Would love to watch your review of the Honda X-ADV and your thoughts on its mild off-road capabilities.
Would love to get my hands on one!
OTBW, good day. I hope you are well. Living in the USA, I have only known the MT800 to be known as the 'Ibex 800 T (or 'S'). The upgrade from the 'S' to the 'T' trim is worth the $1k for what you get. I have only ridden road bikes in my 26 years of riding. '80 Honda CB650 standard, '04 Yamaha V-Star 1100 Classic, '76 Honda CB750SS, '98 Honda VFR800 (5th gen) Interceptor, '07 Honda ST1300. I have not ridden off-road yet. As I start riding adv/off-road, I would probably start with an early '90's BMW R100GS....or a new RE Himalayan. I do, however, would be very interested in the 'Ibex' MT800. I would want to know more about the reliability of the KTM engine and frame though.
The engine seems to be your typical KTM, good but some people are having issues. Haven't heard anything bad about the frame
Thanks for doing a CFMoto review, sort of wished I had more information before I bought my first motorcycle. Ton of features on it, I wonder about service and longevity.
No worries. I'm keen to see how they go long term too. I've read one guy has 20000 trouble free kms
Yeh,gidday digger,hey,um,thanks cobber,bloody great review,specially bout the seat height and you can get a 30milli upgrade ,all the best me old wallaby!!
Thanks mate, you too!
Have come back for second look at your review. Do you recall whether this engine was designed with a catalytic converter in mind? I recently removed the Cat off my aging 2001 R1150GS only to find l had a an engine with heaps more torque and midcrange power. It is like being on a different bike, and from idle the torque is a completely different kettle of fish.
I personally am not interested in more power (the MT has 10kw more than my BMW, but about 35Nm less torque), but do cherish decent torque. So l wondered what this engine would be like withiut the CAT.
I believe people have been getting good gains from taking out the cat. This will feel much more modern than your 1150
I’m looking to buy my first adventure bike and the available features offered along with the price make the 800MT a strong contender. I’ve always rode tarmac so for someone like me who wants to start getting off-road and learn that style of riding, would this be a good bike to start on or would something like a Tenere-7 make more sense? I really like the features offered by the 800MT which the T7 does not offer but the off-road handling of the T7 gets stellar reviews. I’m conflicted…
If you're just learning, the MT will be fine. The Tenere is definitely more capable. Ideally you'd start on something much lighter than both, but if you're confident or just doing easy dirty and gravel roads go for it!
Really great review! You gave it a proper workout in the bush! Amazing amount of spec and a 790 engine for the price! Impressed with the quality of your videos too as it's the 1st time I've seen them - subbed, keep up the good work 👍
@onthebackwheel - Curtis - can you share what the ride difference would be between the VSTROM 650 & MT800? I'd appreciate your perspective. Money aside, which would you go with and why please.
Gday mate. I haven't ridden the 650 (a friend did just buy one). I personally would choose the mt800 unless reliability is a big concern for you. More power, more tech and newer all round
@@onthebackwheel - Thank you for the quick reply. I really enjoyed your off road recording with it also.
@@ardyghorbani5910 I had fun on it, good bike!
@@onthebackwheel I recently came off an Africa Twin. Far far too heavyweight a bike for me, mt800 might be a good mid point between Vstrom and that - other options a plenty, we all know to get to dirt you're doing 80 paved roads. So I recon this might wb worth at least a test ride when my leg heals up!
@@ardyghorbani5910 just be wary that both are similar weights to the Africa twin
Really love the thorough review... Considering to get one here in Malaysia... Cheers mate...!
Thanks. It's a good bike, very impressed
First video I've seen on one of these. Looks like a blast to ride, esp. on the road & maybe the occasional dirt road.
100%
I'm confused by this review. It is glowing and destructive all at the same time. It started off balanced but in summary it was more negative..... Still scratching my head to understand this bike. Thanks for putting in the work.
With the fueling fixed (it has been updated) and no quick shifter problems I'd be extremely positive
Hopefully this comes to the usa
I believe it is
I just picked up a 21 model with 12000 ks 1 owner inc accesories for less than 10k ,, i was looking for an inexpensive adventure bike ,, after owning a 18 vstrom 650 and a 16 klr 650, the mt just blew me away, i also own a ducati 19 950 enduro, (it doesnt go off road) the mt feels very similar, at a third of the price so i wont mind a few scratches,,its features are amazing ,, if your looking for a quality adventure bike id reccomend it,, it begs the question, is the mt 800 cheap, or are the others too expensive,, great review cheers
Cheers mate. They are good bikes. There are some similar priced options coming out, the Transalp is going to be cheaper!
Thanks for the great review.
One question only. How do you check the engine oil level? Glass or dip stick. Didn't see it on the walk around. Thanks
Thanks mate. I believe it is a sight glass, but it has been a long time and I can't remember 100%
Greatest review on internet
Hi
Have you been able to get your hands on a Explore yet ... Do you know if you will as im after a great review like your other reviews
Not yet, but I probably can. I'll see what I can do
Great video! It was good to see someone testing a bike while riding it properly. I continue to be amazed at how slow most other riders seem to be on UA-cam.
Thanks mate. I like to have a play every now and again
Another good review...thorough and kept it interesting thank you...(plus it seems you're a local ).
Me gustaría saber si el calor del motor se deja sentir mucho gracias
I didn't find it to be bad. A little noticable in the slow off road sections but that's it
Cuál me Recomiendas la Suzuki vtron 800 oh esa gracias
The V Strom 800DE. It's got better suspension. The CF Moto is very good value though
The fuelling issues on mine went away if you change it into rain mode.
Interesting. I couldn't stand riding in rain mode though 😬
Really good looking bike! Looks like you get a lot for your money. Cool that you get a KTM engine.
Great review mate. I want one
How does a parallel twin compared to a V-Twin engine?
Much the same, just a bit smoother
Does it have a catalytic converter that is not in the muffler? If so, the sweet spot in the mid range could benefit from removing it. In australia, that ok.
Hey mate. I don't have the bike any more unfortunately and can't tell you off the top of my head
Fantastic review
Great video. Do you know what the ground clearance measurement is?
Yes, 190mm
@@onthebackwheel thank you.
@@BillDodge no worries
You said it's not compared to a Tenere. But isn't this bike significantly better, with 25 more horsepower, and only a little bit more weight than a Tenere, and cost about the same? I think a Tenere engine is almost identical in it's design, and so the bikes must be comparable in a lot of ways?
Hey mate, they compare in some ways, but they are vastly different. The Tenere is much more off-road focused, longer travel suspension, a fair bit lighter and has an on top, dirt bike feel. If you want to do some light off-road and more touring, the 800MT is definitely a better pick
Im enjoying your videos. Is it a lot harder to pick up conpaired to your KLR? Thank you.
Thanks mate. Very similar to pick up. The weights aren't that much different
The biggest question in ADV is will CFMoto make a new 390 Adventure competitor with their 450SS motor?
Let's hope so. I've been hoping Kawasaki would do the same with their 400 too
@@onthebackwheel 100%, we have a Versys-X 300 and it’s brilliant, I wish they’d add a Versys-X 400 with 21” front, 180mm travel and decent ground clearance!
gday do you know where the air filter is?
It's underneath the seat
Great review. Thank you!
Thanks mate, hope it helped
What about if you have someone on back? Is the rear seat comfortable ?
It was pretty good!
Did you ever get an update on the quickshift issue you had?
No. I know they did some mapping updates that people were very happy with but not sure on the quick shifter
@onthebackwheel would you recommend this bike for a newer ADV rider. I am getting into the ADV scene but can't justify spending big bucks on a bike until I learn more. I am experienced off road with Yamaha TTR bikes and on road with FZ09 bikes.
@@navvet1525 yeah I would. The base model is still good value for what you're getting. Just be wary of its weight and limitations
@@onthebackwheel I love in Western NC so it's not like I will go across the Sahara Dessert or the Great Continental Dived out west. Mostly just mintained fire breaks and gravel roads.
great review.... have subscribed !!
Thanks Anthony
19,999 AUD for a standard Tenere .... wow .... that's 12,960 Euro .... in the EU they sell the 2022 Standard Tenere 700 for 10,900 Euro (in 2023). The 2022 Rally version with some accessories is still 12,400 Euro, same price as last year.
I guess I was extremely lucky to buy an almost new 2021 Tenere 700 Rally for just 10,400 Euro last year in April
Yeah, not cheap that's for sure. Used to be much more reasonable but gone up along with everything else
How would you compare this to a Tiger 800 xrx?
Is it better to get the new and cheap but well spec'd 800mt, or a preloved tiger 800 that doesn't have any fuelling issues off the bat?
Depends what you want it for, the xrx is more of a street bike to me
@@onthebackwheel yeah, that's all I want. Something to upgrade my gs500f and go on comfortable road trips with
@@joshuagray7765 I'd lean towards a set up second hand 800 then. If you're going new, 100% the CF Moto, it's a really good bike and comes with quite road biased tyres and everything youd need/want
Have seen it in person and it looks ok. Live in Sweden and it is a new make here. Therefor buyers will be suspicious of it and it will probably sell bad. Bad aftermarket value. Will it be long lived as a make here? If it leaves the Sweden market what happens to the support?
Hmm will stick to known makers i think.
Always tricky with new manufacturers
Why didn’t you use the quickshifter to do the 0-100?
Not sure if you watched the whole video, but it was playing up
@@onthebackwheel I did, thanks. Great information
I love the looks. Does it have cruise control? Does it a slipper clutch? Is the firing order 180 degrees or 360?
Yes it has cruise control and has a 435 degree firing order
Nice bike but will any manufacturer ever make us a lower powered 30-40kg lower weight bike? 🙁
The Tenere and Tuareg are 20kg lighter than this. Another 20-30kg lighter than that would be perfect!
Should i get a used bmw gs or with the new 800MT?
That depends on the riding you are going to do and if it is the adventure model. I really like the 800MT, for the price it is very good
Great rewiew! Maybe the best on youtube😊! I am waiting for my new bike to come! It will be cf moto 800 mt sport version😊😊
Thanks mate. Enjoy, they are a good bike
Did you experience any problems with the fuel mapping? It seems that CFMotor has an update available which improves this very well.
A couple of minor hiccups but overall it was good. I thought it would be good with a couple of updates
Nice , thank you for your review 👍🏼
Thanks for watching mate
Your series on this bike made a decent contribution to my ultimate decision to buy one & I can report that It's a great motorcycle with unbeatable value. Thank You for Your real world review 👍
Cheers mate, glad to hear its working out for you
Does the 800MT IBEX have the super low (horrendously dumb) gearing that the beautiful IBEX 450 has? The IBEX 450 is geared so low, it turns 6,000 rpms at an indicated 60mph, which is truly insane. WHY are people not complaining loudly about these amazing high powered new motorcycles having no overdrive gear for the street? I am still waiting for one company to design a bike with a proper overdrive in 6th gear. Note: 6th gear should be such a tall gear that you can't use it at all, except when you're cruising across the open desert on a long highway at 80mph.
It was great for mixed riding including some highway . I don't do a ton of big high speed stuff though
Hey, thanks for the review.
I might buy one in less than 2 months... Did CFMOTO fixed the throttle problem? I mean the injection thingy with the small gap around 4.000 or 5.000 rpm?
I believe they released an update just after I had the bike that improved it. A couple of owners have gotten back to me and really like it!
@@onthebackwheel sounds great! Thanks for the feedback, I'll try it as soon as possible ❤️
Do you think the lack of traction control is a deal breaker?
No, didn't even notice it was gone
Its really a good bike hope they can put a traction control nice review sir..RS frm philippines
Thank you
Are the panniers not stock?
I don't believe so. They have another model up that comes with metal panniers
It looks like a tiger 900 rally nearly 9k cheaper
so its a big twin with a crap bottom end, thought only ducati did that,
It's a fueling problem, the power is there just needs some tweaks. According to owners it has been fixed
It's a lot of bike for the money and a four year warranty. If you stuck a KTM,BMW or Triumph badge, on it you'd pay a lot more. Think we sometimes we worry about the badge to much 🤔 🤣🤣
100%, people really do
@OnTheBackWheel yes fully agree with you. Was thinking of changing my 800xca for a 900 rally pro next year but think I'll look at this and have £5k left over for touring 🤣🤣
@@richardgiles2484 oh mate that 900 is a proper machine. Depends what you are after, I really liked the CF Moto
@OnTheBackWheel will definitely be looking at the CF Moto mind. Don't do hardly do any off-roading mind but like the riding position and the features and that's a massive reduction on outlay 🤣🤣
“Great… good… fantastic… but…”
Exactly. I hear the mapping has been fixed
That's the problem with asian mfrs. They design bikes for 5ft men, which, with the seat and tank designs, make them ball busters in a collision, or anything that throws your body forward.
I do agree this "Review" was thorough, but! Bikes do come with pillion foot rest, double up and lets get a 2nd opinion, load it with gear, TOO !!!? With my 50+ [still riding] years of motorcycles, scooters etc, mechanic and test rider.. Briefly involved with Two Wheels and REVS publications, I knew a few of the review writers.. lot of memories.. So if you are going to review a motorcycle/ seems copycatting/ in most no need for joy riding, its fun/ think of it this way look at the future riding.. remember back in the day they where Trail/Dirt Bikes and it was an "adventure".. I had a Yamaha XT500/ made all the carry rack gear and used an old camera case for a [top box] anyway...just an opinion not met to be disgraceful..cheers
Chinese make a good looking bike, America make a Hoover ugly Adventure bike
I wouldn't say both are lookers, but the HD is uglier!
It just looks cheap 🍺
Mate I’ve ridden it and it’s built like a brick #$it house…. Excellent build quality…..in fact I am selling my 2020 BMW1250GS and will buy one (and put the rest of the cash in the bank).
@@occyman I know a fella who sells them and I bought a KLR from him instead and it's serviced by mechanic in a Yamaha dealership 🤣 #messedup
@@theOutbackBerean well that doesn't tell me anything...
@@occyman smart man