Both of these speakers together make a killer pairing. One of my favorite combos . The upper mids of the v30 combined with the lower mids of the creamback provide a very balanced tone with just enough of each frequency one of the best combinations for old school rock tone and not too shabby for modern tones but I find the v30 and g12h30 combo or v30 with creamback H combo better for the tighter more modern rock sounds but if you want a combo that sounds great for both modern and vintage but leans a little further toward vintage the v30 creamback M combo is hard to beat . It nails the Free and early bad company tones to a T . After years of trying diffrent guitar and amp combinations way too many pickup swaps diffrent amps a bunch of pedals and shit loads of tube rolling I finally realized a couple of years back that the tone is largely in the speakers and cabs aside from your hands of course. Pickups matter to a certain degree but not to the point many try and claim unless the pickups are muddy or too bright harsh . Any pickup. That has good clarity without being harsh or too bright and has a bit of warmth without being muddy will get you where you need to go once you get into Duncan custom shop pickups and even the higher end gibson pickups anything after that is very diminished returns in the tonal improvement or change relative to the money spent unless you are going for a very specific sound which requires a specialty pickups but switching cabs and speakers makes but far the biggest difference even just switching the speakers and using the same cab will make a huge difference and that difference becomes far more apparent in person than it comes across in videos sometimes. People will say I hear a difference but not enough to justify the switch but in person the difference can substantial and immediately apparent and it's the easiest model you can do . If you put a new speaker in and like the old one better you can switch back in a matter of minutes. People will immediately go for new pickups when they do not like the sound but in many cases the speaker is the right change to make but a big part of it is that aftermarket speakers and speaker swaps are not as interesting or sexy as new pickups. New pickips can be seem everytime you pick up your guitar and speakers are never seen after you install them . There is a much larger psychological aspect to new pickups and the history of pickups is so much more interesting and it's the same with amplifiers . New boutique pickups can give a feeling of uniqueness that speakers do not . Speaker choice substantial is nowhere near the level of pickups and and again it's hard to market speakers that make them seem more interesting and important. I wish I had considered cabs and speakers long befor I did instead of going down the pickup Rabbit hole and never really finding what I was looking for I have guitars with aftermarket pickups and guitars with stock pickups and my sounding ones have stock pickups . Pickups are important but its overblown once you reach a certain quality level and price point . Also it you do not care about logos and aesthetics mixing anps and cabs from different companies can in many cases give you the sound you are looking for sometimes the marshall cab may not be right one for your marshal anps based on the time you are seeking. It may look funny and unsexy but the sound is what counts . I am a Marshall guy but I find marshal cabs disappointing and that is why I have orange cabs Traynor cabs and Hughes and kettner
It's all a matter of preference really... My take... More headroom and low end response with the Creambacks... Especially good for single coil pickup guitars particularly teles but can be real good for modern chunky chug type distortion with modern humbuckers.. The V30s have less headroom more pronounced upper mids.... Great all arounder especially for rock with humbucking guitars like LPs or SGs. V30s get you to AC/DC and Whitesnake type territory easily with a JCM800 head. I'm primarily a Tele player who pulls out an SG style guitar on occasion for me I go with Creambacks which also works great with BOTH the Fender and Marshall style preamps I use. I am very much a 70's classic rock/ blues rock inspired guy who values higher headroom and a stronger low end from my teles. I do love the V30 tone very much as well - Creambacks are just more versatile for me.
Ordered a vintage 30 for one of my amps based on this video. Just has a nice mid range poke that I think will sit well alongside my other amp with an Alnico Blue
If I could make a suggestions.. Switch quicker from one speaker to the next with the same setting... If you play clean then dirty for a time and then switch speakers and start of clean after playing dirty with the previous speaker, How can closely compare that? Makes no since... Play dirty back and forth with each speaker then play clean back and for with each speaker so we can actually compare them....
YES !! No way in hell to tell, if it's not the same riff edited back to back. I stopped listening after he went from rhythm to lead on the same speaker. Good video but bad mistake.
Both are amazing speakers. The v30 seems more focused in the upper midrange while the creamback is more heavy on the lower mids . I think both of these speakers are incredible and have the classic celestiom sound in spades. I think both of these speakers on a 2 by 12 or 2 of each on a 4 by 12 would be the way to go . In a brighter amp I would go creamback 65 and a v30 for a dark amp. I also don't get it when people say modern celestion speakers are inferior to other manufacturers or that modern celestion s don't have the classic celestion tones . I hear loads of vintage rock guitar tone coming from both speakers in this video . What's also great about the v30 is that I does vintage and modern tone equally well and there is a reason why the v30 is one of the most common stock speakers used in amps today . The v30 combines the best attributes of the classic g12h and g12m speakers . It's like a classic g12h with mids like a g12m
Thanks for watching Adam. I don't know why people would say that about Celestion, their failure rate is the best there is and funny how many companies make their version of the V30, greenback, G12-65 etc.
I am listening to your video with a 335 copy in my lap, jamming along with my Ibanez TS15 with a 70/80 speaker in the single 12 cab. Greenback on its way to upgrade. Before your video I was listening to Badge by Cream. That is a beautiful solo by Eric Clapton!!
They both sound really good here. I’ve listened to other videos of v30’s that sound incredibly harsh, almost like a kazoo of some wierd mid filter. But of course v39’s sound horrible until they’re broken in.
You guys are great, thanks for this comparison. I owned a vintage 30 very briefly and now have the creamback. There is so much more zingyness to the Vintage 30! I just wonder if you own either of these you just dial in your amp to get the right amount of treble? I err on the rolled off top end of the the creamback, but you could also say it sounds more muffled and less lively in this comparison to the V30.
I use both of these myself... actually in the same cab a couple of times. I like them for different jobs but I don't really have a favourite. The V30 usually has a bit more cut to it, in the mids. What amp were you using?
I'd say a bit darker rather than muddier but I know what you mean. They actually stay relatively tight when pushing the lows which has always surprised me for a speaker that doesn't always come across as super articulate.
Sorry for being so slow responding. They sound great together. There is a slight drop in volume between the two, you'd be more likely to find them paired in a vertical cab with the M on top but then can be paired in a horizontal 2x12 you just need to be aware of the slight drop in volume... it wouldn't cause me any major issues doing it.
It depends on what you are doing. Plexi sounds go hand in hand with some kind of greenback but power can be an issue there is the amp is over 50 watts and you're not using a 4x12. Any of the creambacks work great in my opinion with old British tones but I use V30s too with my plexi style amps and they can sound really good (some would disagree but I like it).
Hi there ! I have vertical V30 2x12 and I want to keep one of my V30 at the bottom and swap the upper V30 for a Creamback. I really like sound of V30 but I want to get rid of thoose high frequencies that hit my ears at higher volumes. Would you choose M or H Creamback for this situation ?
@@johnelcanrab2114 yup you are totally correct, it was just an unwanted mistake due to lack of concentration at the moment! Of course it's the other way round! M is more compressed and smooth. H bears a tighter and lower bass and more extended and prominent highs! (M lives in the mids...)
I don't dislike the V30 or SM57 but I know what you mean. That said they are quite aniconic sound, even if its not your bag (although like I say its not my favourite and possibly used a bit too much).
I am about to buy a V30 or Creamback for a 1x12' cab. My reference is the classic hard rock from the 80's. Which one would be the most suitable option? (In the future I would like to recreate the wet - dry - wet system)
These are 16ohms. We're going to do a video on 8 and 16ohm speakers but I've always been a little concerned with other factors colouring the sound in impedance tests too.
@@ZillaCabs Yes, I guess different transformer windings will make a subtle(?) difference too. In a recent test that I haven't yet put on YT, I found that the 70/80 did sound almost the same 8 vs 16 Ohms.
I imagine Joe had a touch of drive on some of the playing, I wouldn't say I heard anything fuzzy or muddy at all there, they weren't crystal clear clean but that wasn't what we were going for, this was just a basic display of the speakers.
@@ZillaCabs 2 1X12's 16x23x14 sealed Cabs, One 1x12 v30 and One 1x12 G12m,I run them stacked down to 4 ohms into my EVH 5150 El34.. or I run the G12H cab into my Fender Hotrod deluxe. I have yet to do a wet dry with both amps and cabs but thats the plan...The best speakers in the world with OPTIONS.
They were recorded in the same cab. It would be a fairer test if we used four or five different sized cabs but this was a short demonstration of how they work in one situation.
I mostly play metal, and I think the M Creamback sounds nicer to my ears, which is weird as I've always been told Vintage 30 or bust. V30 is great, don't get me wrong, but the Creamback just sounds like it does so much more! I think a mix of the two would be perfect! Also for some reason, the Creamback reminds me of Velvet Revolver? Great work!
It does have that kind of velvet revolver rock sound. Lots of low midrange grunt and Growl . Slashes tone was quite different during that time . He usually has alot of bright upper midrange crunch but in Velvet Revolver his tone was darker smoother and more midrange heavy and that is the sound the Creamback M has .
Marshalls & V30s are a terrible combination. Every cab, whether it's Mesa or Orange or whatever I tested that had V30s made my Marshall head sound hollow and airy in a bizarre way. It almost sounds "distant", like the amp is floating in a chamber or something. They work with greenbacks, creambacks, Marshall Vintage cabs (which DO NOT use V30s, but probably a variation on the V-Type), and even the T-75s for certain applications. But Marshalls are not designed to match V30s. Conversely, Mesa heads plugged into Marshall cabs sound dead and constrained. A very real case of "it's not you, it's me". They're all great pieces of gear, but just don't match with one another.
It's personal preference, I tend to find the V30 a great speaker for Marshall, depending on the style. There are so many voicings on Marshalls and can be used for so many things that it's hard to write one speaker off for every amp. We have maybe thirty Marshals here and I've never found one that V30s haven't worked with. Like I say, personal preference.
It depends what era speakers you use though. Did the video of the UK vs Chinese speaker compare speakers from the same era? Often the comparison will be an early 200s UK made V30 vs a more modern Chinese V30, where the difference is largely down to a change in parts rather than the country that the speaker is assembled in.
Both of these speakers together make a killer pairing. One of my favorite combos . The upper mids of the v30 combined with the lower mids of the creamback provide a very balanced tone with just enough of each frequency one of the best combinations for old school rock tone and not too shabby for modern tones but I find the v30 and g12h30 combo or v30 with creamback H combo better for the tighter more modern rock sounds but if you want a combo that sounds great for both modern and vintage but leans a little further toward vintage the v30 creamback M combo is hard to beat . It nails the Free and early bad company tones to a T . After years of trying diffrent guitar and amp combinations way too many pickup swaps diffrent amps a bunch of pedals and shit loads of tube rolling I finally realized a couple of years back that the tone is largely in the speakers and cabs aside from your hands of course. Pickups matter to a certain degree but not to the point many try and claim unless the pickups are muddy or too bright harsh . Any pickup. That has good clarity without being harsh or too bright and has a bit of warmth without being muddy will get you where you need to go once you get into Duncan custom shop pickups and even the higher end gibson pickups anything after that is very diminished returns in the tonal improvement or change relative to the money spent unless you are going for a very specific sound which requires a specialty pickups but switching cabs and speakers makes but far the biggest difference even just switching the speakers and using the same cab will make a huge difference and that difference becomes far more apparent in person than it comes across in videos sometimes. People will say I hear a difference but not enough to justify the switch but in person the difference can substantial and immediately apparent and it's the easiest model you can do . If you put a new speaker in and like the old one better you can switch back in a matter of minutes. People will immediately go for new pickups when they do not like the sound but in many cases the speaker is the right change to make but a big part of it is that aftermarket speakers and speaker swaps are not as interesting or sexy as new pickups. New pickips can be seem everytime you pick up your guitar and speakers are never seen after you install them . There is a much larger psychological aspect to new pickups and the history of pickups is so much more interesting and it's the same with amplifiers . New boutique pickups can give a feeling of uniqueness that speakers do not . Speaker choice substantial is nowhere near the level of pickups and and again it's hard to market speakers that make them seem more interesting and important. I wish I had considered cabs and speakers long befor I did instead of going down the pickup Rabbit hole and never really finding what I was looking for I have guitars with aftermarket pickups and guitars with stock pickups and my sounding ones have stock pickups . Pickups are important but its overblown once you reach a certain quality level and price point . Also it you do not care about logos and aesthetics mixing anps and cabs from different companies can in many cases give you the sound you are looking for sometimes the marshall cab may not be right one for your marshal anps based on the time you are seeking. It may look funny and unsexy but the sound is what counts . I am a Marshall guy but I find marshal cabs disappointing and that is why I have orange cabs Traynor cabs and Hughes and kettner
You better make a video with a V30 & Creamback after writing all them words
Make a video tomorrow. I demand you.
It's all a matter of preference really... My take...
More headroom and low end response with the Creambacks... Especially good for single coil pickup guitars particularly teles but can be real good for modern chunky chug type distortion with modern humbuckers.. The V30s have less headroom more pronounced upper mids.... Great all arounder especially for rock with humbucking guitars like LPs or SGs. V30s get you to AC/DC and Whitesnake type territory easily with a JCM800 head.
I'm primarily a Tele player who pulls out an SG style guitar on occasion for me I go with Creambacks which also works great with BOTH the Fender and Marshall style preamps I use. I am very much a 70's classic rock/ blues rock inspired guy who values higher headroom and a stronger low end from my teles. I do love the V30 tone very much as well - Creambacks are just more versatile for me.
Ordered a vintage 30 for one of my amps based on this video. Just has a nice mid range poke that I think will sit well alongside my other amp with an Alnico Blue
If I could make a suggestions.. Switch quicker from one speaker to the next with the same setting... If you play clean then dirty for a time and then switch speakers and start of clean after playing dirty with the previous speaker, How can closely compare that? Makes no since... Play dirty back and forth with each speaker then play clean back and for with each speaker so we can actually compare them....
YES !! No way in hell to tell, if it's not the same riff edited back to back. I stopped listening after he went from rhythm to lead on the same speaker. Good video but bad mistake.
I'm partial to the Vintage 30. My Gibson Goldtone GA15RV came loaded with one and over the years it's become my favorite amp.
Excellent, it's ages since I played a Goldtone. I didn't realise they came with a V30... I can see how they would work though.
You dialed in both speakers pretty nicely 👌
Thanks.
Two of my favorites!!!! Like the vintage 30 the best, but creamback a very close 2nd!!
Good shout!
I like Vintage 30’s…they are the speakers I started out on. But Creamback 65’s are some of the best sounding speakers on the planet.
They combine really well too. Thanks for watching
Both are amazing speakers. The v30 seems more focused in the upper midrange while the creamback is more heavy on the lower mids . I think both of these speakers are incredible and have the classic celestiom sound in spades. I think both of these speakers on a 2 by 12 or 2 of each on a 4 by 12 would be the way to go . In a brighter amp I would go creamback 65 and a v30 for a dark amp. I also don't get it when people say modern celestion speakers are inferior to other manufacturers or that modern celestion s don't have the classic celestion tones . I hear loads of vintage rock guitar tone coming from both speakers in this video . What's also great about the v30 is that I does vintage and modern tone equally well and there is a reason why the v30 is one of the most common stock speakers used in amps today . The v30 combines the best attributes of the classic g12h and g12m speakers . It's like a classic g12h with mids like a g12m
Thanks for watching Adam. I don't know why people would say that about Celestion, their failure rate is the best there is and funny how many companies make their version of the V30, greenback, G12-65 etc.
Adam Watson I have a 2x12 cab with a Vintage 30 and a Creamback 65 for my Friedman Smallbox amp! Best speaker combo!
Great demo, thanks. Would be great to hear Joe's 212 Cab with the Celestion Cream Alnico paired with this Celestion G12M-65 Creamback.
Thanks Rudi, I'll have to get him to do a video on that cab.
I am listening to your video with a 335 copy in my lap, jamming along with my Ibanez TS15 with a 70/80 speaker in the single 12 cab. Greenback on its way to upgrade. Before your video I was listening to Badge by Cream. That is a beautiful solo by Eric Clapton!!
Is that your guitar in your profile picture? It looks great! Thanks for watching, and I'll tell Joe you were jaming along.
They both sound really good here. I’ve listened to other videos of v30’s that sound incredibly harsh, almost like a kazoo of some wierd mid filter. But of course v39’s sound horrible until they’re broken in.
It just depends how you record them and the tones you use..
I cant decide myself. So I guess I’ll try a 2x12 with both
You guys are great, thanks for this comparison. I owned a vintage 30 very briefly and now have the creamback. There is so much more zingyness to the Vintage 30! I just wonder if you own either of these you just dial in your amp to get the right amount of treble? I err on the rolled off top end of the the creamback, but you could also say it sounds more muffled and less lively in this comparison to the V30.
I use both of these myself... actually in the same cab a couple of times. I like them for different jobs but I don't really have a favourite. The V30 usually has a bit more cut to it, in the mids. What amp were you using?
I have V30, now i know to get proper Creamback sound i just have to turn down presence.
Money saved, thanks!
V30 sounded great Might put one in my Silvertone 1482 or Ampeg Reverborocket Really would be an upgrade from those 55 year old speaker's I'm thinking
What speaker is in there already? Is it an original?
@@ZillaCabs Yes the original Not bad but not great Got a creamback 65M for an amazing 65 bucks A dollar a watt 😂
What would you recommend for an Engl Blackmore in a 2x12? It's a bright, can be ice-picky, amp. V30 with Redback mix? Or all redback?
Seems like the creambacks are a little muddier?
I'd say a bit darker rather than muddier but I know what you mean. They actually stay relatively tight when pushing the lows which has always surprised me for a speaker that doesn't always come across as super articulate.
I just creambacked my pants.
hahaha
been thinking if M65 can be the lead tone to H75's rhythm tone, whether in conjunction with V30 or not.
it's easier to tame lower mids in creamback than to tame harsh spikes on V30.
what are your thoughts on pairing these two in a 2x12?
Yeah I’d really like to know - v30 with 65m OR v30 with 75h?
I have these two speakers in a vertical 2x12 and like the sound. I have the creamback up the top in the slanted section.
Sorry for being so slow responding. They sound great together. There is a slight drop in volume between the two, you'd be more likely to find them paired in a vertical cab with the M on top but then can be paired in a horizontal 2x12 you just need to be aware of the slight drop in volume... it wouldn't cause me any major issues doing it.
The V30 with the H cream is more popular due to them being better balanced with volume, but you can still mix the M in and get good results.
How would a Creamback and V30 sound for metal?
Yeah that can sound great, normally it would be the V30/H creamback mix for heavier players but I really like the V30/M creamback mix.
@@ZillaCabs sick thanks!
I have a Marshall Plexi style amp, which speaker would you recommend?
It depends on what you are doing. Plexi sounds go hand in hand with some kind of greenback but power can be an issue there is the amp is over 50 watts and you're not using a 4x12. Any of the creambacks work great in my opinion with old British tones but I use V30s too with my plexi style amps and they can sound really good (some would disagree but I like it).
@@ZillaCabs thanks!
Hi there !
I have vertical V30 2x12 and I want to keep one of my V30 at the bottom and swap the upper V30 for a Creamback.
I really like sound of V30 but I want to get rid of thoose high frequencies that hit my ears at higher volumes.
Would you choose M or H Creamback for this situation ?
The H is smoother on the highs.
@@georgefromgreece4119wrong way round mate, the 75 is way more pronounced. Why write an answer for it to be wrong.
@@johnelcanrab2114 yup you are totally correct, it was just an unwanted mistake due to lack of concentration at the moment!
Of course it's the other way round!
M is more compressed and smooth.
H bears a tighter and lower bass and more extended and prominent highs!
(M lives in the mids...)
Did you end up doing this, if you did how do you like it?
Which one would have the tightest low end? I'm gonna play it with a Mark V.
Confirmed what I already knew. Vintage 30 spiky mid just like an sm57 I dislike both. Creamback is smooth and well creamy.
I don't dislike the V30 or SM57 but I know what you mean. That said they are quite aniconic sound, even if its not your bag (although like I say its not my favourite and possibly used a bit too much).
I am about to buy a V30 or Creamback for a 1x12' cab. My reference is the classic hard rock from the 80's. Which one would be the most suitable option?
(In the future I would like to recreate the wet - dry - wet system)
For 80s rock, you probably want the V30. For classic rock the creamback is the better option
Hi! Was this 8 or 16 Ohm versions? I know from my own comparisons that especially V30 differ a lot 8 vs 16 Ohm.
These are 16ohms. We're going to do a video on 8 and 16ohm speakers but I've always been a little concerned with other factors colouring the sound in impedance tests too.
@@ZillaCabs Yes, I guess different transformer windings will make a subtle(?) difference too. In a recent test that I haven't yet put on YT, I found that the 70/80 did sound almost the same 8 vs 16 Ohms.
Would it be a good idea to have them both in a 212?
I have them on the way to put in my 2x12
@@MrSkaterpunk12 how do you like the sound?
@@GreccPerspective they haven’t arrived yet
@@GreccPerspective they’re gonna be replacing the original 12” Utah speakers in my 68’ bandmaster cabinet
@@MrSkaterpunk12 right now I have 2 12” creambacks. Would be very interested to put a v30 and a creambacl
creamback about the same but a bit muted tonality with little less treble on the top end. but both good
Thanks for tuning in Mark.
G12m65 Vs T75 or g12-65 heritage please?
That sounds like a good video, we will have to do it, they are all great speakers.
@@ZillaCabs love you, thanks 🙂
Nice licks
Thanks, Joe is a great player.
In both cases, I hear a lot of compression that makes the sound fuzzy and muddy, especially in the low end. Is this the amp itself or a pedal ?
I imagine Joe had a touch of drive on some of the playing, I wouldn't say I heard anything fuzzy or muddy at all there, they weren't crystal clear clean but that wasn't what we were going for, this was just a basic display of the speakers.
I am a happy owner of both of these terrific speakers in 1x12 big sealed cabs...
Excellent.... do you prefer one or is it a case of different speakers for different jobs?
@@ZillaCabs 2 1X12's 16x23x14 sealed Cabs, One 1x12 v30 and One 1x12 G12m,I run them stacked down to 4 ohms into my EVH 5150 El34.. or I run the G12H cab into my Fender Hotrod deluxe. I have yet to do a wet dry with both amps and cabs but thats the plan...The best speakers in the world with OPTIONS.
these two things are not the same... hard to know if the cabs are different sizes, I know the V30s like a bigger cab or sound thin and harsh...
They were recorded in the same cab. It would be a fairer test if we used four or five different sized cabs but this was a short demonstration of how they work in one situation.
@@ZillaCabs fair enough, I was curious sound-wise for recording.
I mostly play metal, and I think the M Creamback sounds nicer to my ears, which is weird as I've always been told Vintage 30 or bust. V30 is great, don't get me wrong, but the Creamback just sounds like it does so much more! I think a mix of the two would be perfect! Also for some reason, the Creamback reminds me of Velvet Revolver? Great work!
It does have that kind of velvet revolver rock sound. Lots of low midrange grunt and Growl . Slashes tone was quite different during that time . He usually has alot of bright upper midrange crunch but in Velvet Revolver his tone was darker smoother and more midrange heavy and that is the sound the Creamback M has .
that is close as fuck, I would almost expect a bigger difference even between two speakers of the same model
creamback H75 Vs Alnico cream please!!!!!!!
Yeah we need to do that...we did do a video on creambacks but not a one on one.
Zilla Cabs my new setup is 3 alnico creams +3 creamback M65. All I can say is wow.
0:18 0:27 🤟🖤
1:13 2:29
Vintage 30's are brighter
That's right, the M cream is slightly darker than the average speaker. Thanks for keep on watching.
Marshalls & V30s are a terrible combination. Every cab, whether it's Mesa or Orange or whatever I tested that had V30s made my Marshall head sound hollow and airy in a bizarre way. It almost sounds "distant", like the amp is floating in a chamber or something. They work with greenbacks, creambacks, Marshall Vintage cabs (which DO NOT use V30s, but probably a variation on the V-Type), and even the T-75s for certain applications. But Marshalls are not designed to match V30s. Conversely, Mesa heads plugged into Marshall cabs sound dead and constrained. A very real case of "it's not you, it's me". They're all great pieces of gear, but just don't match with one another.
It's personal preference, I tend to find the V30 a great speaker for Marshall, depending on the style. There are so many voicings on Marshalls and can be used for so many things that it's hard to write one speaker off for every amp. We have maybe thirty Marshals here and I've never found one that V30s haven't worked with. Like I say, personal preference.
The M sounded more balanced.
Was this the English v30 or the Chinese? Big difference in sound on the top end the Chinese one is a lot raspier.
It depends what era speakers you use though. Did the video of the UK vs Chinese speaker compare speakers from the same era? Often the comparison will be an early 200s UK made V30 vs a more modern Chinese V30, where the difference is largely down to a change in parts rather than the country that the speaker is assembled in.
Actually pair them together and you'll really have something
Sounds the same to me.
Use your headphones
V30 = fizzy
constant mono tone mmmmmmmm is cream back