Which speaker did you think was speaker A or B? ANSWER IN: 5 4 3 2 1 This isn't twice in a row we have caught you is it? . . . . . . . . 'A' is the M Greenback and 'B' is the V30 Were you right? Let us know below!
V30 is known for being "pokey" in the mids but I like the lower mids of the V30 more and find the greenback fizzy in the upper mids in a way that I do not like. I have tried over and over to move on from V30s but they just work for me and I have used them for 30 years. I even love V30s for cleans and I have real Fender 67 blackface and Two-Rock amps.
V30s work great for loads of styles, like all speakers and gear they are so subjective so some like them and some don't, but I've always found the V30 really useful too... and yeah I like V30s for cleans and edge of breakup too. Thanks for wwatching, its a great comment.
Can you make a V30 with 96dB sensitivity please for the volume restricted players amongst us! Want to run my 1W head absolutely flat out without killing the cat!
Well to be honest I am bit over saturated by V30 and it fell out my liking a few years ago. Do not get me wrong it has its place and indeed it fits to some amplifiers and some versions even sound better but paired with extremely good amplifier and A B them with some other models you can see that they are workers and not refined at all. To much top end and very beamy characteristic. They have middle range but fail some part so they feel scooped. Many other H magnet Celestion speakers just sound better to me. For example the Creamback H. Now Greenbacks do also have pronounced top end. New models do, not the pre Rolla Pulsonic cone vintage once. But even new once have such a good middle range. Celestion at its strongest point. They do cover full guitar range pretty good. Only issue is the power handling and related speaker breakup if you do not want one that is. Personally I doubt that’s possible to make 100 percent same sounding speakers with more power handling. Mass of the voice coil is different plus with that power comes different breakup. Lucky for Celestion with trying to make such speakers they made some new speakers that are also great. Personally for me no other Alnico speaker sounds like the Alnico Blue despite that some come close to it. But then again I love and use Alnico Cream the most. Same thing is true for me regarding the Greenbacks. Anyhow Greenbacks all they way for me accept when you can’t use them. Because no one will ever allow you to go full stack that you do need with some amplifiers plus who is going to carry all of that and what stage has space for it nowadays? I do love that middle range and that detailed sound Greenbacks have. I love them in the reissue models as well. They all have that texture and recognizable tone. Almost like they have one more speaker playing same but sounding bit different. Complex texture. I like their breakup. With the smaller amplifier they are great. So yes 1x12 combo with 15 to 18 Watt and you are golden and modern venues safe. Lower sensitivity helps with sound level because you are less loud and they always want you to be less loud. Personally I like more mix of Creamback M and H than V30 and Greenback. Complex tone that leans to Creamback H that I still love vs mix that has more V30 than Greenback and I am no more V30 fan. Luckily that only my opinion and only your own opinion matters. Take what ever speakers you like, put them in a good cabinet like in the stuff from Zillacabs and enjoy.
I think it's interesting to listen to the two back to back as we often get used to being told what the two sound like. We also all hear slightly different qualities that we like when doing things this way. Thanks for watching and for the kind words.
Great to see you guys back posting videos, some of the best out there on speakers. Keen to see you guys do one comparing the new 100 to all the other Celestion alnicos. I recently did it using IRs and it was an interesting experience.
Greenback! I’m not a fan of the over pronounced mids in the V30 but the reason I love a greenback is that it’s actually less efficient! So you have to turn your amplifier Up a little more to get the same volume out of a greenback which means you’re pushing the power amp a bit harder and that feels amazing!!! I actually really love the EVH greenbacks!! Atm I’ve got vtype speakers in my Zilla 2x12 and that has a lot of the qualities of the V30 but also doesn’t have the mid thing the V30 does. Kinda sounds like a cross between a greenback and a v30
This is exactly why I prefer the Greenback over the V30: I like how both sound, but I'm all about how the Greenback plays. In general I don't enjoy playing H-magnet speakers, while I always feel at home with M magnets. I quite like the V-Type, too, Celestion hit the nail on the head there. But, like you, my usual favourite is the Greenback Heritage (the EVH is the same speaker with a different sticker), or either a Greenback from 2004 that I bought as NOS and it feels and sound so rich, smooth and compressed, similar to those vintage Pulsonic cone units we all drool about.
I'm going to do some more stuff on V type, there are a lot of people who really love it and although we've done loads of work with it before I really want to understand what it is that makes it not my favourite but loved by so many others.. oh and the EVH is a great speaker, I love it, especially for more classic sounds but it handles gain great too. Thanks for watching.
V30 slightly smoother? It is much more rough than the Greenback. The V30 sounds hollow and weak in comparison. Maybe for metal work as in the Heavy track it will be considered better, for classic work there is no comparison to my ears, the Greenback wins hands down. And I will say that I am usually the least fussy person in comparisons. I think slight differences between units are usually miniscule in a real setting and it is very entertaining to listen to people arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. Not here though.
Everyone hears different things in speakers and everyone has different tastes. The difference between speakers though is generally really big, one of the biggest changes you can make, and very subjective too.
@@ZillaCabsPersonally I would rephrase you first comment though it might seem pedantic. Everyone hears the same thing exactly. We just interpret it differently which is where we agree on taste being different and on your last statement that it is subjective. I also am absolutely with you on speaker choice being one of the most influential factors on sound. It's so influential you cannot ever reliably buy a speaker based on what you hear in someone else's review. That can only point you in a certain direction to explore. You absolutely must have hands on testing with the rest of your own gear to know how it will really sound for you.
the vintage 30 barks ,it can be harsh in the upper mids but will always cut through a mix, great for live use and hard rock. there have been many versions along the years since 1986 some made in the uk some in china while most customers never know. the modern 25w greenback sounds nothing like the old ones way too bright, the heritage and evh versions are the best but need industrial break in.
A= brighter so I thought it was the v30 and preferred it even tho I hate this speaker. B= darker and bit fizzy... So I'd never thought it was the v30 actually. Glad I preferred A which was actually the greenback. I hate the v30 but
Unfortunately its the other way around. It can be a bit missleading sometimes as the V30 is sometimes said to be fizzy and the greenback does have some sizzle to it, meaning for some ears the two get crossed over. Thanks for watching.
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'A' is the M Greenback and 'B' is the V30
Were you right? Let us know below!
Yup i got it right. And im also surprised that i prefered the V30. Funny how you prefer one thing in the room, and another recorded.
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A = greenback
B = V30
V30 is known for being "pokey" in the mids but I like the lower mids of the V30 more and find the greenback fizzy in the upper mids in a way that I do not like. I have tried over and over to move on from V30s but they just work for me and I have used them for 30 years. I even love V30s for cleans and I have real Fender 67 blackface and Two-Rock amps.
V30s work great for loads of styles, like all speakers and gear they are so subjective so some like them and some don't, but I've always found the V30 really useful too... and yeah I like V30s for cleans and edge of breakup too. Thanks for wwatching, its a great comment.
Can you make a V30 with 96dB sensitivity please for the volume restricted players amongst us! Want to run my 1W head absolutely flat out without killing the cat!
Well to be honest I am bit over saturated by V30 and it fell out my liking a few years ago. Do not get me wrong it has its place and indeed it fits to some amplifiers and some versions even sound better but paired with extremely good amplifier and A B them with some other models you can see that they are workers and not refined at all. To much top end and very beamy characteristic. They have middle range but fail some part so they feel scooped.
Many other H magnet Celestion speakers just sound better to me. For example the Creamback H.
Now Greenbacks do also have pronounced top end. New models do, not the pre Rolla Pulsonic cone vintage once. But even new once have such a good middle range. Celestion at its strongest point. They do cover full guitar range pretty good. Only issue is the power handling and related speaker breakup if you do not want one that is.
Personally I doubt that’s possible to make 100 percent same sounding speakers with more power handling. Mass of the voice coil is different plus with that power comes different breakup.
Lucky for Celestion with trying to make such speakers they made some new speakers that are also great.
Personally for me no other Alnico speaker sounds like the Alnico Blue despite that some come close to it. But then again I love and use Alnico Cream the most.
Same thing is true for me regarding the Greenbacks.
Anyhow Greenbacks all they way for me accept when you can’t use them. Because no one will ever allow you to go full stack that you do need with some amplifiers plus who is going to carry all of that and what stage has space for it nowadays?
I do love that middle range and that detailed sound Greenbacks have. I love them in the reissue models as well. They all have that texture and recognizable tone. Almost like they have one more speaker playing same but sounding bit different. Complex texture.
I like their breakup. With the smaller amplifier they are great. So yes 1x12 combo with 15 to 18 Watt and you are golden and modern venues safe. Lower sensitivity helps with sound level because you are less loud and they always want you to be less loud.
Personally I like more mix of Creamback M and H than V30 and Greenback. Complex tone that leans to Creamback H that I still love vs mix that has more V30 than Greenback and I am no more V30 fan.
Luckily that only my opinion and only your own opinion matters. Take what ever speakers you like, put them in a good cabinet like in the stuff from Zillacabs and enjoy.
High gain? V30. Everything under neath that? Greenback.
I'm just excited to be here. Love both
Thanks mate, that's very kind of you.
This is how comparison is done!
Vintage 30 darker and smoother with gain, more chime with cleans (beautiful playing by the way on that clean section).
I think it's interesting to listen to the two back to back as we often get used to being told what the two sound like. We also all hear slightly different qualities that we like when doing things this way. Thanks for watching and for the kind words.
Great to see you guys back posting videos, some of the best out there on speakers. Keen to see you guys do one comparing the new 100 to all the other Celestion alnicos. I recently did it using IRs and it was an interesting experience.
Thanks mate. Yeah it's a really interesting speaker, I'll try and do a 1 speaker vs a load of others too.
Greenback!
I’m not a fan of the over pronounced mids in the V30 but the reason I love a greenback is that it’s actually less efficient! So you have to turn your amplifier Up a little more to get the same volume out of a greenback which means you’re pushing the power amp a bit harder and that feels amazing!!!
I actually really love the EVH greenbacks!!
Atm I’ve got vtype speakers in my Zilla 2x12 and that has a lot of the qualities of the V30 but also doesn’t have the mid thing the V30 does. Kinda sounds like a cross between a greenback and a v30
This is exactly why I prefer the Greenback over the V30: I like how both sound, but I'm all about how the Greenback plays. In general I don't enjoy playing H-magnet speakers, while I always feel at home with M magnets.
I quite like the V-Type, too, Celestion hit the nail on the head there. But, like you, my usual favourite is the Greenback Heritage (the EVH is the same speaker with a different sticker), or either a Greenback from 2004 that I bought as NOS and it feels and sound so rich, smooth and compressed, similar to those vintage Pulsonic cone units we all drool about.
I'm going to do some more stuff on V type, there are a lot of people who really love it and although we've done loads of work with it before I really want to understand what it is that makes it not my favourite but loved by so many others.. oh and the EVH is a great speaker, I love it, especially for more classic sounds but it handles gain great too. Thanks for watching.
If ever there were a pair of speakers that sound like they need a thorough beatdown of a break in, it's those two.
I’ve been using these two paired in a cab for over 20 years! Love them 😊
Yeah it's a great mix, they work really well together. Thanks for watching.
Different tools for different jobs.
That's exactly the right answer. Thanks for watching.
Which speaker combination is best used for a 2×12 home
For me a Greenback and a P12Q Jensen
V30 slightly smoother? It is much more rough than the Greenback. The V30 sounds hollow and weak in comparison. Maybe for metal work as in the Heavy track it will be considered better, for classic work there is no comparison to my ears, the Greenback wins hands down. And I will say that I am usually the least fussy person in comparisons. I think slight differences between units are usually miniscule in a real setting and it is very entertaining to listen to people arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. Not here though.
Everyone hears different things in speakers and everyone has different tastes. The difference between speakers though is generally really big, one of the biggest changes you can make, and very subjective too.
@@ZillaCabsPersonally I would rephrase you first comment though it might seem pedantic. Everyone hears the same thing exactly. We just interpret it differently which is where we agree on taste being different and on your last statement that it is subjective. I also am absolutely with you on speaker choice being one of the most influential factors on sound. It's so influential you cannot ever reliably buy a speaker based on what you hear in someone else's review. That can only point you in a certain direction to explore. You absolutely must have hands on testing with the rest of your own gear to know how it will really sound for you.
Apologies if I missed it guys....... what mic are you using on the cab/s?
On this one it was an SM57, but we often use an OC18 and SM57 mixed together.
Nice comparison and a great cab! I’m very curious, the A / B theme which we should guess in comments was recorded with Marshall or Mesa amp?
Thanks, that track will have been recorded on a 100 watt JMP I think.
@@ZillaCabs Thank you!
Great video. I’m using v30 and dv77 in KSR cab
Thanks, glad you like it. Kyle makes some cool gear, and that's a nice mix of speakers.
Awesome comparison! And awesome Zilla cabinet!!!!😊
Thanks mate, that's very kind of you.
the vintage 30 barks ,it can be harsh in the upper mids but will always cut through a mix, great for live use and hard rock. there have been many versions along the years since 1986 some made in the uk some in china while most customers never know. the modern 25w greenback sounds nothing like the old ones way too bright, the heritage and evh versions are the best but need industrial break in.
A= Greenback
B = Vintage 30
A green back
You got it.
They need to make a green back with more wattage 25 ain’t enough for them. Suckers is only 100 W and I got 125 W amp can’t use them.
I guess Celestion would say that's what the Creambacks were for, higher powered versions of the M, H and alnico speakers.
Paused at 0:29 A is the greenback. More presence and high end. B is the V30. More muffled.
That's right. Thanks for watching.
A= brighter so I thought it was the v30 and preferred it even tho I hate this speaker.
B= darker and bit fizzy... So I'd never thought it was the v30 actually.
Glad I preferred A which was actually the greenback.
I hate the v30 but
V30 is totally overrated. It's muffled and dead sounding.
@@iancurrie8844 for me it's harsh, not muffled. At least with my amps and my ears
With all speakers they are subjective, there are things that we like or dislike and it's different to each person. Thanks for watching.
A - Greenback, B - V30
You got it.
A=v30
B=greenback
Unfortunately its the other way around. It can be a bit missleading sometimes as the V30 is sometimes said to be fizzy and the greenback does have some sizzle to it, meaning for some ears the two get crossed over. Thanks for watching.
B the Greenbacks?
Always good to have a go but in this one A was the greenback. The greenback has a bit of sizzle to it so it can be a bit confusing sometimes.