22mag vs 22lr vs 25acp - Mouse Guns for Self Defense - Ballistics Gel
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John Moses Browning was a Genius who didn't make mistakes. The 25acp aka 6.35mm Browning was successfully used by Military and Police all over the world for 100 years. In the USA it was used by Undercover Agents and Police Detectives all the way until the late 1980's. Don't dismiss the 25acp! WHO-TEE-WHO!
My great uncle was a police officer and got shot by a 25 acp and his leather jacket stopped it supposedly, would you be willing to test a heavy jacket in front of the gel?
WHO_TEE_WHO TRY 25 HP ITS MUCH BETTER
@Kushman420TV Yet I have seen tests of 22lr going through 4 layers of denim and 10" or so of gel.
I like the n r a that shoots the 22 l r and the 22 mag the best .
There are those with arthritis, recoil sensitivity, etc., & these little guns may be EDC. Better to pack a 'mouse gun' than no gun at all.
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I definitely agree idk if that NAA lil thing would be the right choice for someone with arthritis from the couple reviews I’ve watched on it it seems like it takes a lot of hand manipulation to cock the hammer back if you’re doing it one handed I’ve heard it’s hard to get a secure feeling comfortable purchase of the grip without kinda contorting your hand
@@Evergreen1400 Best bet for those with arthritis, an EZ
Correct the best gun is the one in your pocket better than a rock any day .
Yup and with the new Ruger lcp in .22lr you don't need to go with an unconventional gun either. There is a guy who did a test on a freshly dead cow with one and it was extremely impressive. These will even go through bone easily.
Why would anyone give this guy a thumbs down.. OMG he spent his own time and money to give us an education on these shells...
People are crazy
@@WHOTEEWHO OMG I know...lol
@@Ron-im6mj because it has a gun in the video.
There's always an a****** online willing to hit thumbs down
@@WHOTEEWHO Yep, God is great, beer is good, and people are definitly crazy. I don't want to get hit by any bullet, period. 😁
I was an EMT for 30 years in an inner city. I responded to many shooting incidents. The majority of fatal incidents were from 22lr's. The other most noticeable thing about them was very little blood on the scene. That is death was almost instant. When your heart stops you have no blood pressure so bleeding stops. You can challenge the statistics all you like. That type of personal experience can wake you up to how lethal the 22lr really is.
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Yea people are generally just stupid with the shit they say about a 22lr,people that can shoot there weapon are generally well served by the 22lr most of these degenerate pos out her doing mugging and Robberys can't shoot a handgun to begin with,so that being said if you empty the magazine in one of theses assholes chest or face in about 2 seconds the only damage he's gonna be doing anymore is feeding the worms
I've heard a lot of EMT's and other first responders say that a .22lr is the last thing they would ever want to be shot by.
Considering the 22lr was designed for long barrels, as was probably the 22mag, this performance is telling. 25 acp ammo is typically full jacket (there may be hollow point out there). Also, the 25 was designed for short barrels, and is 25% heavier. When you consider the rimfire ammo is less expensive than the 25, I would personally load my pistol with stingers, and go for it.
I'd take any of those in my hand over , NOTHING IN MY HAND
Damn, that was quite 'Poetic'.
@@larrywhalen127 Poetry comes in all shapes and sizes. This was the manly kind :)
Amen!
a little something something beets a whole lot of nothing
Any kind of hole in you no matter how big will take your focus off what you're doing !
To be honest, I don't want to get hit with any of them 😵
I like the distance you fired these pistols from. I think an, "up close and personal" range is far more realistic for mouse guns than the usual 10 feet or so. The penetration of the 3 rounds show this. Good show.
22lr is underestimate a lot.. it surprised me too
Absolutely
when you hunt small game you realize how devastating small bullets can be. Especially when they start bouncing off bones. Wont drop an animal in its tracks with a body shot by any means, but its a guarantee kill
@@ranndomundead9112 right their. Mod killers used the 22lr for years. Lot of hunter over in the Australian run 22mag for alot of different game
@@jamespugh is the Vmax 30 grain better than the 22lr solid
@@Sachitananda not sure.
The main purpose of .25acp was to get similar velocity and power to .22 in a short pistol barrel (velocities quoted for .22 are usually from 16" barrels), also to get better cycling reliability in semiautomatic pistols with the rimless case and more consistent ignition from the center-fire primer. Now, .22 rimfire cartridges have come a long *looooooong* way from the rounds and firearms of a century and some ago so the advantages are arguable.
Being a gun enthusiast here in the UK, we cant have semi auto centre fire since we had a mass shooting or two and they were banned. We can however have 22 magnum in semi auto so I am getting an AR15 semi auto chambered in 22 wmr and perhaps a 223 upper side charger...or maybe just a 308 x bolt....or maybe all three. 22 magnum will be accurate out to 200 yards, the 223 out to 500 and the 308 out to 1000 yards so I am covered. We can also have centre fire revolvers with a long barrel so a 44 magnum has to be in the safe as the 44 is the one gun Ive always wanted to shoot being a Dirty Harry nut. We have to jump through a lot of hoops to get into firearms here but its a fun thing to do so worth it. Sadly we cant use them for self defense, unless you are a criminal in which case you can have any gun you like and shoot whoever you like, where ever you like. Nice to see the laws are working and are only keeping the guns out of the hands of reasonable gun owners f******* a******
22 mag rifle is all I use around my farm. Ive killed big stuff with it. Its a deadly little bullet. 40 gr agula soft points or FMJ
Are there many ranges in the UK where you can practice shooting out to 1000 yds? Cause you still have to be a very competent shot to reach out that far with .308. Greetings from Canada!
@@hovojefe There are a few , but they cost ! ,and it's all beyond My budget so I'm saving for a shotgun certificate & safe & gun which are a bit easier to obtain .We have to "prove need" and usage as well as passing background checks, as aasou said We have to jump through hoops and pay through the nose , also there are plenty of places to go shooting clays or bird's so a shotgun is a good starting point or at least a double barrel is , pump shotguns with more than two rounds need additional licencing (more hoops ) sometimes the law is an ass , stubborn & dumb ! ,Criminals don't care , Shoot Straight ,Stay Safe & Stay Well .
I've got 4 little mini mag NAA and I love them. But sometime I got into kel tec .380 pocket carry but also have 3 @ .32 kel tec. A beautiful well made gun is naa .32 and also .380 but .380 naa is a little tank, fine quality. I think the .32 naa is way better than a seecamp if you know about see camp.
Even worse down in Aus'
No auto or semi auto anything, no moderators, all air rifles are on the licence and have restrictions, bullpups are much harder to get also for some reason.
Some places have it even worse and without any logical reasoning.
Some messed up ideals for some countries that's for sure.
Pretty Impressive for such Small handguns. People Dismiss the lowly .22 and .25, but Shot is Shot, and it will definitely cause a break in contact.👍🏻
I carry a Mauser 1910 in 6.35 (25 auto) in my pocket EVERYWHERE I go. These types of weapons were/are intended for up close and personal work. At point blank range, none of them are very pleasant for the recipient.
Nice review. The rounds are comparable in my opinion with a slight nod to the 22 mag. However, I have one of those old Beretta 950 BS and I carry it when I can't conceal anything larger. The thing about the Beretta (not the round per se) is that it carries 8 +1. The North American Arms has 5 rounds, has to be cocked manually every time, and has a funky trigger. The 950 BS is a real gun. While I wish it were 22 mag, I like the extra rounds and the mechanics of the firearm itself. Just saying. Molon Labe.
Interesting, although others would say these calibre's is not effective, I personally would not want to be standing on the wrong side of the barrel. Great calibre comparison.
My friends call those belly guns... still would not wanna get shot with one.
We just called that "naval sights".
@@nixter8739 yep that’s about right 🤣
Love the 22LR...underrated 😷
Yup. Thanks for watching Karen
Enjoyed your video.
Considering all the deer that have been one-shot jacklighted with the .22lr, I think it's effectiveness is apparent.
Only place I disagree with you is that rimfire ammo "goes off 99% of the time".
At times, certain manufacturers have so sped up production that some lots of rimfire ammo ignition was very unreliable.
I learned early on to buy enough from the same lot ( CCI or Federal mainly) to practice accuracy , including unsighted "from the hip" to establish it's sure to fire reliability.
And then to load only from that lot in my self defense .22rf.
Takes at least 500rds. Storage is critical too.
In places like Arizona, it's no big deal, but in Florida for instance the seep into anything humidity can turn good cartridges into worthless ones.
There is no seal between the bullet and the case, so obviously keep oil also away from them.
The most unreliable .22rf ammo I have experienced is Remington (many misfires and bullets so loose in case as to cause bullet/case separation resulting in jammed weapon when firing), Winchester, and Aguila.
A .22rf revolver can be had in 9shot, and in case of a misfire, instantly presents a fresh round.
With semi-autos, some are so small, it's easy to carry a backup to the backup.
Treat your magazines with TLC. Any slight distortion that maybe you cannot even see if you should drop it, can jam your pistol.
And pray you never HAVE to shoot anyone.
I've had nothing but good experience with Remington and aguila. Aguila standard is my go to for shooting suppressed. I may get a dud every 5 out of a box of 500. Not bad for target ammo. I've had less duds from Remington lately. Winchester on the other hand, total garbage. It just isn't bad primer, it's bad all around. Just look at my short I uploaded and youll see what I'm saying. If you carry anything, cci is in the top but you will still have a failure maybe 1/1000 if you're lucky.
Who tee who .... 22 mag all day buddy for a last ditch effort . carried my NAA 22 MAG for the last 17 yrs
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@@WHOTEEWHO im finally glad to see you doin some 22 mag work buddy , ive resubed to your channel and god willing restart my patreon to you .
Just bought one no question 22 wmr hollow points for the win 🙌
I am a retired Sheriff's Deputy, I carried a black widow with the mag cylinder in my boot for backup. I also shot into ballistic gel without any expansion with any hollow points from three or four different manufacturers. It is actually a pretty accurate little pistol.
Sure is
I'm a former Mil Leo, and would offer a couple of observations. I personally know of one backwoods type fellow that was arrested/convicted for illegally harvesting quite a few ELK with a 22 mag. Also, I had occasion to have dealings with a few godfather type 'enforcers', the most successful of which (i.e. number of completed 'paint jobs') believe it or not, utilized a .22 automatic that fired 22 shorts (he was adept at concealed firing through clothing, in public crowds) As for the .25, the only person I ever met personally that used one, was an agency field man for whom they had built what appeared to be a metal fountain pen (it actually did write), but it also would fire a .25 frangible bullet out of a concealed steel barrel inside the pen by means of a spring loaded striker. I was told that his particular model was a more modern version of one that had originally been machined up by the armorer's in the old OSS of WWII. This was a 'contact' type weapon that quite literally enabled one to 'reach out and touch someone':)
Adam this is your buddy in Ohio, I have carried a 5 shot 22LR North American Arms revolver for well over 30 years in my front pocket. Wont even walk out of the house to the clothesline without it !! I am a dealer of gun shows,n NAA is thee most dependable like a Ruger.
You've must have pissed off a lot of people over the years.
Personally, I would rather have a. 22mag than a .25acp
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@@WHOTEEWHO 25acp reliable center fire
In a rifle I see the point, but with a barrel that short he didn't gain much over the 22 LR.
There was another demo with a short barrel 22 mag and clay blocks where you could see all the unburned powder from the round.
@@GiorgosC-rp5ms Plus the ability to reload quickly, try to do that with a .22 mag revolver.
A small screwdriver has about the same diameter as one of those "Mouse" guns, I wouldn't like my stomach to get pierced with a screwdriver much less with a high speed bullet. I will think 22mag is an excellent cartridge.
And if you use a small philips screwdriver to modify a soft point, even more terminal effect. 😜
I have an NAA 22 with 1 1/8" with a conversion barrel for 22LR or 22 mag. I also have the same Beretta 950BS Jetfire 25 acp semi-auto. My usual carry is either a Sig P938 9mm pocket pistol really or a bigger Glock 27 40 cal that I only carry when its cold outside & its easy to hide with a hoodie. Occasionally, I will carry my NAA with FMJ 22 mag loads. Not to brag, but I am damn good with that NAA. I trained the hell out of myself for 3 months with that NAA. Goal was to shoot at 5 yds,,,with ONE hand only,,hit a paper pie plate,, all five shots in 3 seconds or less on target plate. I did achieve my goal after many rounds but only with right hand. I can shoot OK with my left, but less coordinated, and way slower. I have complete confidence in my ability to stop a mugger using only my NAA. I did not work nearly as much with the Beretta (the NAA I bought 20 years ago and the Beretta 3 years ago) but I have 8 plus 1 in addition to an extra magazine which makes the Beretta a better mouse gun in my opinion....that is, if you have practiced a lot and shoot it accurately. I have a Smith 460XVR but I'm going to have to sell it...I'm developing arthritis in my fingers on right hand over the last year so I'm fucked I'm afraid (74 next month).
I actually bought a NAA .22 magnum revolver this morning based mainly on this videos results. Needed something I could hide in my speedo. It will get the job done. Appreciate you!
I have my Black Widow in my pocket as I type this. Mine is loaded with short barrel specific Gold Dots.
@@DeezyP I don't own any guns myself or my dad who is retired military love the Gold Dot ammunition
I saw a test on those Gold Dots and it was pretty darn good. I can't remember the handgun used in the test. My Chief from before my retirement, carrys a Keltec with 30 rounds of .22 mag when in the back parts walking and hiking.
This guy spent his whole life in service, military to law enforcement. LOTS of situations with LOTS of training. I've used the 22 mag hunting and with a well placed shot it gets the job done.
Damn now I want a Black Widow even more. I do carry a concealed J frame Smith. 38+P but I love that BW revolver.
@@kentuckywindage222 hell yeah your Chief knows what's up if you miss with the first 10 you still got 20 rounds left
Jess, if you don't hit what you are shooting at by the tenth round you are too drunk to be shooting, but no matter how drunk you may be, with 20 more rounds you're bound to hit something, LOL
I own and carry a NAA 22 Mag. I prefer the Gold Dot for short barrel ammo. Very reliable and easy to carry. Thank you for your video.
I own a Black Widow in 22 mag and it's a nice little carry piece. It's just a little clumsy to handle and it's LOUD. I end up carrying my 922 H&R in 22 lr. more often. It's barely any bigger, holds nine rounds and is double action besides. I honestly think that in short barrels, modern 22 lr. is the equal of or superior in terminal performance to 22 Mag. Also, I've always been surprised at the penetration powers of .25 acp. It's an under rated cartridge. It could be loaded to much better ballistics these days.
My walk around is a nine shot H&R.22. It has never jammed on me and doesn’t want to jump out of my hand.
How big was the wound channel for the 25 acp? Reason I’m asking is, I have the same 25 Beretta 🤙🏽
Cool video, I’ve always wondered how all three would perform, seems all pretty much the same but the .25 maybe better because the projectile is larger and could potentially do the most damage?
Real world - my old dept during my tenure there had some folks DRT (Dead Right There) from .25 acp to the noggin. I've seen the results of several suicide instant deaths (I mean DRT, just dropped and didn't move) from a .22 LR from a pistol either in the head or chest. Mind you, I've seen a guy seated in a chair with a huge hunk out of his chest from a contact or near contact wound with 12 ga. 00B and a shredded lung who was able to talk to us and explain what happened. Also a guy with a .38 +p through and through the head who was speaking well, laughing, etc. .22 LR and .25 acp (and for that matter high speed .22 shorts) from comparable barrel lengths do about the same thing. I don't remember ever seeing a wound from a .22 mag but others tell me can do a wee bit more (something akin to .32 acp or so) but much depends on bullet construction. ALL normal handgun rounds (absent the heavy magnums) pretty much just punch a hole similar to shoving a piece of similar sized drill rod through their body. Hollow points (again, absent the really big stuff) don't do that much more but they do help mitigate downrange problems and wild ricochets.
I have definitely carried .22s, .22 mags, and .25s as BUGs and often enough as primary if I can't hide anything else. Ideal? Nope, I much prefer a hi-cap 9 or .40 or even better a snubby .44 magnum. But the realities of life mean sometimes compromises have to me made. Bad guys generally don't want to get shot with anything. On the rare tough guy, any of those you tested will reach the vitals, and probably the central nervous system too. Any gun generally beats no gun and .22/.22mag/.25acp have been dropping bad guys for a long time.
Geez, where did you work? All i ever saw were suicides. 25 will do the job, but you have to screw it in the temple. A 32 S&W Long went through a man's chest lying down and through the mattress. A 125 gr 38+p (the old Rem semijacketed HP) did very well on a contact chest shot. Through the rib plate and blew out the left side of the heart. Only a slight trickle of blood too. Happened to see the autopsy after taking the report. Only autopsy i ever saw. Anyway, shot placement is important.
I made the mistake of firing a .22 Magnum out of a 1 inch barrel without ear protection. It hurt more than 30-06.
I shot my Taurus pt 22 out my car...dumbest mistake ever my ear still hurts
Prince Vlad the Impaler I was testing it because the magazine tends to nose dive the bullets...it worked alright 😅😅
@@kevinwashington2723 I'll admit that I also was driving on a secluded gravel road and drove right by an old dump. Stopped and shot my little NAA 22 mag out the front window at a rusty tin can...forgot to use earplugs...really dumb...ears rang for over a day.
@@kevinwashington2723 I shot my 22 wmr out the passenger window at night from the driver side.I didnt know the window was up;
The 380 is the loudest pistol of all.
Outside of war,the lowly .22 lr has killed more folks than any other. I have seen numerous deer dropped on the spot with a well placed .22 mag. They are no joke.
yup i know some old timers that deer hunt with 22 mag
A Baretta "Jetfire" was my first firearm, sold to me in the mid 60's when I was a teenager. Now, my weapon of choice is a 357 revolver, but it may be fun to pick up a used "Jetfire" somewhere for nostalgia. I thought the drop down barrel was a clever way to, not only top off the chamber, but to easily see when one IS in the chamber.
I would take the .25 even a "little " more reliability helps and you can reload with a spare mag quickly. I know most the time a reload would not be needed, but if it is, try reloading quickly with a .22 mag revolver.
Does a full six shooter without a pull out cylinder in 5-10 seconds count? Hands arent to dextrous due to not being sble to go with my grampa all the timd
@@elflordyt6830 You got to go with what you have , 10 seconds could be a lifetime.
@@mac11380 true. I hust wish i had a revolver with a flip out cylinder - i could reload twice as fast due to not rotating it and expending all the bullets at once
between these 3 caliber , 22 WMR , no doubt, but only with a reliable gun + ammo combo . Overall 32 auto (7,65x17) is a far better choice for small and low recoil defensive guns.
Also in 32 ACP there are 100% reliable wonderful pistols from Walther, Beretta, Sig
When I carried, I carried a .32 mouse gun. I carried a Seecamp 32 and that thing was excellent.
I carry the NAA mag and even if you can’t hit someone with it at least they will be deaf and burnt from the fireball it throws
Funny people talk about rim fire reliability, when the most common failure is the person. Under sudden stress people don't react as they thought they would, this is when practice and practice comes into play...
This is the 3rd video I have watched where the 22 lr performed the best, as far as the wound cavity. To me that is what I look for the most. 22 mag needs a longer barrel to really get the speed up to expand the round enough to make a good cavity!
💥💥💥 thanks for watching!
I've seen a video where the 22 wmr actually had a lower muzzle velocity from a two inch barrel and didn't perform all that well compared to a 22lr when comparing premium ammo. The guy filming the video was curious and then loaded a KelTec PMR30 with the 22wmr and the difference was night and day. In the short barrel mouse guns, you are actually better off with 22lr and a premium round.
I have a NA Black Widow I carry when wearing shorts. Loaded with Hornady Critical Defense. I would not want to be shot with it. Also pack a Glock 19 X.
Over the years I have carried all three calibers, deep concealment. Not my first choice. I'm ok with .380 A.C.P. in a Ruger LCP 2.
That lcp2 is very uncomfortable to me. Thing bruised my hand, just didn't fit well at all.
@@deasttn I have small hands never had any issues. Mine is actually fairly accurate out to about 20 yards.I have several Micro compact 9 mm's and recoil is a little sharp but nothing horrible.
@Leonard Carr LOL, No, I'm from Hawaii, but I live in Arizona. Not a LEO either! )
Copy that @C Kim on that trusty .380 lcp Ruger have onyself really reliable I think. Greetings from Pearland Texas
Have you tried a 32 caliber? Vs 25
Not yet
@rustybuttpate a good 380 round will definitely get the job done!!👍👍
My dad had old military Astra in 32acp. Find shooting pistols. Actually me in my brother both shot it as a kid.
32 auto is my favorite caliber. I shoot lots of small game with mine
No real reason to. Not similar enough, unless you're trying to convince someone carrying a .25 that the .32 is a much better choice (for most, it is indeed.)
With a handgun, there is really no difference between 22lr and 22 mag. There isn't enough barrel length for the extra charge to build up enough pressure for there to be significantly more force behind the bullet. It makes a difference in rifles, but not handguns.
Lone Wolf,
I called them boot guns or my Sunday GoToMeeting carry.
In a pinch you'll be glad you have one!
I believe it's Gold Dot that makes 22 mag for short barrel guns. Try the gel test again using those loads. I think Hornady make it as well. They are have a faster burning powder and is done burning as the bullet reaches the end of the barrel.
Very informative demonstration.
Unlike your milk jug test seems like the gel blocks are a lot more hassle. Can you melt them down and reuse them or how does that work. I ain't figured out how color TV works either so bare with me.
Super hassle. Have to melt them down every time. Takes 4 hours to melt
Yeah but it's great to watch!
In my opinion it's kinda tit for tat, if possible I'd aim high if you know what I mean. Lol I certainly wouldn't won't to take a hit from any of these pistols.
Browning designed the.25 ACP to equal the .22 LR from a short barrel so they should be similar.
The .25 ACP has a undeserved bad press, but it's put a lot of folks under the turf.
My Daddy carried a .25 cal. Beretta: It got him out of a death jam once. The .25 in a Mouse Gun is a real deal: You “spray” you aggressor down with .25 cal. and he becomes very tranquil.
I carry a .32acp on a daily basis. Let me assure everyone these "Mouse Gun Calibers" WILL do the job with proper shot placement! the .32 acp is a real tumbler! I had that theory for years and in the last couple of years after I saw gel tests I was vindicated. the .22LR is often run down by armchair "experts" who have no real World experience. Best thing about .22LR and .25acp is that they are much easier on the ears in an enclosed room. We had a case here in Florida years ago where a Pawn Shop owner used a .25acp Beretta model 950bs to stop an Insane attacker with a SWORD! I,m NOT joking! ONE Bullet managed to penetrate a STEEL DOOR after it passed through the attacker!
.22lr ftw. Best wound channel.
Spent 22 years in the Philadelphia PD, and I keep a Ruger LCR 8-shot 22lr loaded with Federal Punch by the bedside. I have no doubts about the round. Videos such as yours buttress my faith in the 22lr. Well done.
That was very interesting, Often wandered about that the difference would be. Thank you
You wandered or you wondered about that? Huge difference.... 🥴
@@eknaap8800 Don`t think I was chatting with you, but anyway I wish I was as perfect as you.
I typically carry a VP9SK, but when pressed for time I’ll simply throw a Beretta 21-A INOX loaded with CCI Veloceters in my pocket. As has often been said, a pocket full of 22’s is better than a hand full of nothing.
The .22 LR tends to “keyhole” out of the NAA revolvers, this could explain the wound channel. Same reason the .22 Mag showed an increase in wounding later in its track, the bullets want to tumble and go base first as the base has more mass.
Mine have never keyholed. The bullet certainly has a good chance of tumbling inside a soft target. 5.56 mm and 5.7 X 28 mm are great rounds for tumbling and that's where they create massive damage.
C Kim I have heard of others with this issue and my .22LR does (not magnum however). With the intended usage of these little guns it is not really a bad thing if it does. It maybe ammo related too 🤷♂️ I might check that out sometime.
These bullets do not tumble per se when shot/come out of the barrel's muzzle, but upon impact will then tumble due to the characteristics of the bullet which then causes the massive wounds due to the high velocity of the light bullet which is used.
This has been explained time and time again, but apparently has never quite sunk in.
Best example I can offer is, how does a bullet which is "tumbling" manage to have a half minute of angle group at one hundred yards (?).
I own and shoot a 5.56 rifle and at 100, 250, and 500 yards all my bullets do is leave a small perfectly round hole in my target, and when shooting armor piercing rounds, they are still nice and round holes, but look like a .30 cal was used - had to check my target to make sure it was my round that left a hole that big.
I have had a beretta 25 acp bobcat for 30 plus years and rarely do I not have it in my back pocket. not my primary carry gun of course. My EDC has changed several times over the years but that little bobcat has always been with me.
Would be interesting to see different 22 lr velocitor stingers, etc
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Don’t you mean “Stangers”? 😂
Fivespeed 302 🤣🤣
My first gun was a Beretta Jetfire (.25 ACP). Mine, however, did not have the safety switch like yours does. While it was a beautiful little gun, I didn't feel like I could reliably thumb-cock the hammer in a life or death situation (tiny grip, tiny hammer, heavy springs), and without a safety, I couldn't safely carry it cocked and locked. Likewise, the incredibly HEAVY recoil springs made it almost impossible to rack the slide, so chamber-empty carry wasn't really feasible either. The sights were also nearly impossible to use. I got a beautiful Kramer pocket holster for it, but I found that the barrel release latch tended to get activated on the draw, which popped the barrel open and sent my first round flying. I also had some ridiculous malfunctions at the range, and when this thing malfs, it malfs HARD (as in, it takes two people to try to unjam it). So I ended up selling it to buy another gun (Kel-Tec P32 or NAA mini revolver... can't remember which). While I never really liked this gun, I do wish I had kept it just because it was a beautiful little work of art.
I would have liked to see a 22 short, to see what that would do all 3 did really good.
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Sometimes I carry my NAA Black widow 22 WMR. I abhor short barrells but the Blk Widow is SURPRISINGLY accurate. I wouldn't want to get hit with one.
22mag is deadly taken plenty of game animals 🌎 wide. Same as the old 22lr. 25acp was use since the 1920 as a pocket gun. Great video to watch. Need try this with hollowpoints with some kind of clothing over the gel
It's been my experience that rational people go to lengths to avoid having any size holes suddenly appear in their bodies. Irrational people, however, may not act rationally when ANY size holes appear. I usually carry .380acp. When in bear country my edc is .38super with a hot penetrator load. I would not be averse to carrying .22lr, but not around bears. Thank you for this comparison and for your valued opinion.
I would definitely prefer a rim fire revolver. If it’s that 1% that didn’t fire, it just rotates and pew pews again. Fun video!
S&W 43c is my carry gun when im going light.
Good video buddy. I just bought a Phoenix arms 25 ACP. Initially bought for my spouse but I enjoy it popping off a couple rounds every once in awhile
Good information. I was suprised that there was not more of a difference between the .22 lr and the .22 WMR. I would not carry the .25 acp, not because of the cartridge, but just because my hands are too big to grasp it. I have an old Browning .25 that was my Mom's but it's just too darn small, and it's a keepsake.
To be fair the 22lr was CCI and the wmr was named after somebody's mom.
I was at the range and the guy next to me had a 22mag pistol and I was super surprised at how loud that thing was (much louder than my 9mm)
I have the same beretta !! I excited to see how it performs !!!
Awesome! I love it
The .22 is the most underrated gun out there, they will surprise you.
22mag in a KelTek PMR 30. Best trigger in the game.
The Weapon Collection if you’ve ever shot one you’ll agree. If you want a smile, don’t tell your buddy who wants to shoot it about the trigger and watch their face when the shot goes down range! Usually a flyer! And they just look at the gun! Lol
Man my naa is like my pocket knife, they share a holster and I don't leave home without them. I usually have a 38 on my ankle while working and my 365xl in addition any other time. Hope I never have to use any of them, I believe though that last ditch in a time of need the little 22 mag will get somebody off of me.
People have met their maker off all 3 of these calibers before. Never under estimate.
I would like to see how a 22LR hollow point would do. Interesting side note, my grandfather carried a S&W 22 short revolver as a back up to his 38 cal revolver (not a special but a 38 short) as a county special deputy. Just goes to show how views on stoping power has changed since a hundred years ago.
Very Cool! I do carry the PMR 30 22 mag. I would love to see the the gel results of the Hornady Critical Defense 45 gr FTX 22 mag, the Federal Game Shok 50 gr hp and the Armscor 40 Grain JHP, just curious which of these would give the best results if you ever have the chance, love your channel
Got to agree like see the 45gr critical defense as well as the 50gr
@@jamespugh the heavier the bullet and HP loose penetration but if you get expansion out of one it's bigger than a 30 cal
Under no circumstances would I want to be shot by a 22lr in any part of my body, particularly the torso and head, and especially not at close range. The lethality of these rounds is highly underestimated in my opinion.
Very interesting results. I didn't think any of them would penetrate as far as they did.
All these small caliber guns are adequete for defense. Also due to low recoil, shot placement is easier and better.
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Thanks so much for doing this vid! I had mentioned i carry the NAA mini in LR and was curious what it would do in gel? You said lets see and we did! I was quite impressed with the results. And in my opinion 5 rounds of that in your pocket is better than nothing!
Absolutely. Thanks for watching Kyle!!!
I carry a Beretta Bobcat in .22 and it absolutely will do the job. At the end of the day 99% won’t be in a running gun battle and if need a gun will use it defensively. A gun pointed at someone is a damn good deterrent regardless of caliber.
Fun video. Perfect way to spend a Monday evening 😎👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks for watching!
I have a little Sterling .22LR model 302. Not a bad little gun. Fits in the pocket nicely.
25 acp vs 32 acp vs 32 S&W
I used to have one of those little Beretta 25’s and sold it. Wish I hadn’t, it was a great little pocket gun and you cannot find them for sale, anymore.
The results from all of the .22 ammo was impressive to ME.I never thought any of the bullets would go 16 or 17 inches into the ballistic gel.
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If the LR did not wasted its energy by creating a wound cavity it might have went just as far as Magnum
I carry my black widow around 25% of the time. During the summer, at work, and went the circumctance call for discretion.
That nonsense about reliabilty and effectiveness is internet echo; I'm confident that there's less than a handful of You Tubers actually involved in a shoot out.
Pocket rockets are offer ready access, killing power, and the element of surp
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Equally sorry to inform you not in my time of shooting.
There may be a factor of 1 in 100, but for me it has been 1 in 1000 for quality ammo.
Been shooting over 30yrs.
Anyone who claims the typical failure rate on .22 is 1 in 1,000 is either a liar, or just simply doesn't shoot much .22!
For those doubting the reliability of rim fire stuff, I've carried a .22lr as an EDC before, and do often when I need something lighter than my .45, and as a back up. When it comes to the reliability of rim fire cartridges, I find that you get what you pay for. If you buy bulk, you're bound and determined to get some misfires, due to them jostling about in the box freely, and knocking the primer loose. If you buy a brand that uses a captive box, you know, the plastic with holes in rows of 5, those don't jostle the rounds as much, keeping the primer in the rim, therefore keeping the ammunition much more reliable. Just my $0.02. Hope everyone is doing well, and Cheers who-tee, hope you and your family are safe and healthy too!😷😎
i bought a 500 pack of cci stinger 22lr to carry this summer.
JoeyJoe the best 22 ammo you can get it gives you 190 foot pounds of energy.
The 22 magnum uses a copper drawn jacketed bullet while a 22LR only has a gilded metal finish but no copper drawn metal jacket ever.
Great test ! Looks like a beautiful spring day there, I've still got snow on the ground here ☹
I thought the mag would go thru but i didnt think bout them being shot outta the little guns. I always wanted a 25 just for the fun of it.
I carry the NAA Pug as my backup.
A lot of us old veterans carry a little 22 or pistol for self defense most of the time. If your not defending yourself against a bear its about right.
I have a 9 round 22 magnum revolver in my car. Potent
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Thanks for the info! Very surprised that the 22 mag didn't perform better. I have carried the Beretta 950BS since 1989 and always wondered how it compared to these other types. You are the only you tuber and gun writer to perform these tests. Very re-assuring to know 25ACP is comparable to the others.
I don't if anyone noticed all my gun channels in UA-cam are being unScribed I have to subscribe again wtf
Your wife did that
Yeah I am being told that a lot. Screwy UA-cam
Cool video. Personally my small concealed gun is Taurus Spectrum 380. I liked your Spectrum its so light and easy to carry I forget its there. I was surprised by the results. My guess was the 22mag would go out the back. Still if I had to carry one of those 3 it would be 22mag.
Looks like you had better luck with your Spectrum than I have mine. Bought it new at the gun store 2 days ago. It worked for about 10 seconds before the extractor disappeared! I was fit to be tied!
My day gun I have on me is a pmr30
You mean PMR25. Trying to get those last 5 rounds into the mag without denting the cases is impossible.
The 3 are adequate, especially if you have a semi-auto. A nice 18" rifle/carbine will get mushrooming speeds making the .22 LR HP a reasonable self defense gun.