200 AMP ELECTRIC SERVICE RISER REPLACEMENT
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- In this video you’ll see how I disconnected and re-installed a new 200A electrical service riser in Red Bank, New Jersey.
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Ron Pecina Jr. is a licensed electrician in the state of New Jersey. This allows him to apply for electrical permits, work with live conductors, remove meters, and disconnect service from the utility company. New Jersey observes the 2020 NEC and the Uniform Construction Code. The majority of the work seen here on this channel falls under the Rehabilitation Sub Code (Chapter 6 of the U.C.C.). The majority of the work you’ll see on my channel falls under the New Jersey Rehabilitation Subcode. www.nj.gov/dca...
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Ron, I appreciate your professionalism and how you go beyond the code requirements and in this video post excerpts from the code to clarify minimum requirements. Your pride in your workmanship shines through, May the god of electricity smile on you in 2024.
Thank you, Mack!
I had a compressor in my garage that worked fine for years. All of a sudden, it began popping the breaker. I also noticed a much higher voltage on one leg of the service. After numerous calls to our utility, they sent out a tech who pulled the meter and put on an artificial load. He found arcing on the neutral at the pole! No problems since but what a weird thing to happen.
Unfortunately, it's all too common.
I know of one residential house near here that has 208, right across from the phone company But in this territory mostly only large businesses get 208 3 phase, smaller places get high leg delta so no problem feeding a house off that. 208 volts = 75% power on heating elements, take the oven longer to come up to temp, dryer probably you would not notice since duty cycle only about 50% when up to temp anyway, air conditioners all dual rated.
Ron, before I cut the service cable hot legs I wrap tape on first then do my cut. This helps avoid dropping the tape when pulling it out of your pocket or pouches. This avoids climbing down the ladder with a exposed hot leg. Only took me one time to learn that lesson.
Hi Ron. I really enjoy your videos. I am a licensed electrician but not working in the trade except for work that I do for myself and family/friends. So your videos help keep me current. I am also a licensed plumber and gas fitter. In this particular video I noticed to the right at the ceiling of there was yellow flexible gas pipe (CSST) that may not have been bonded. It is important to bond this pipe that is only .008” to protect it from lightning strikes which otherwise could cause fire and explosions. So when you see this pipe in a home you may want to recommend to clients having the pipe bonded.
The black CSST has a bonding strip inside and does not have to be bonded. The only CSST that should be bonded is yellow.
The short gas pipe connectors behind appliances look similar but are not the same and do not have to be bonded.
Thanks again!
Larry D.
Very good observation Larry. I didn't notice the CCST when I was there but did see it in the video, oddly enough. I'll be back to this house later next month so I will check to see if the bond was made at the installation.
Great video. The camera resolution is very good, so we can see what is being done. I like the NEC reference printed out on screen. I remember things better when I see them. I got a laugh out of your experience of trapping the ladder after spicing onto the utility wires! Everybody has done mistakes like that too.
29:07 I'd love to just go get my license.. doesnt it take years of apprenticeship, etc though still?
You should get yourself an impact gun, I like the Milwaukee surge as it's quieter. They are lighter and better on the battery. This is the 1st video of yours I have seen , I like how you add the code in the video. That's a nice touch. Subscribed.
Wow. Id be scared to stand at top of that 32ft ladder w/out it strapped to the wall or someone holding it
We teach ladder safety at the apprenticeship training center in Somerset, NJ.
And if your going to do it 100% correctly you should be using a torque wrench on those meter base lugs there are torque specs for copper and aluminum .
Hey Ron, first, happy new year!! So, in that connection of wires with the grid, it will be not better remove the existing splice so that there is only one splice, thus avoiding hot spots?
Congratulation, Nice job.
It's two legs of a 120/208 3 phase system. This is common in commercial and larger apartment areas. You might even have a 3 phase delta with a grounded leg. You did nothing wrong. 120 degrees phase angle between legs in a 3 phase system, so you have sin(120)=0.866 then multiply that by 240 and you get 208 volts.
I dont have an open delta service here. Yes I know they exist but this is not that. This is a mid-span service drop from a 120/ 208 Wye connected service (utility supply, if you will). Three transformers on the utility pole.
Great video! They're brave. You don't use gloves tying into the hotline. Keep up the good work. Thank you
Awesome video. Subscibed
I'm looking for part-time electrical work assisting an electrician. I have my own tools and experience. Please let me know if you or any independent electricians need any help. I'm in the greater phila area. Thanks
Just wondering why you didn't slip behind the (presumably) telecom cabling at 19:30? Looks a little messy going over the top like that in my opinion.
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You are super lucky to have such lenient codes here where I’m at in Illinois they want rigid pipe all the way from the weather head down to the panel. I wish we could do it like you.
My neighbours have 208vac, theres a pump house on their side of the steeet, you can see the 3 hots ans neutral that each house is connectes to. My house is 240 fed from a backlane with dedicated transformers every X number of houses.
17:45 Just curious why you are using 4" screws, wouldn't they only be effective if you were to hit a stud? The top of that screw has 1.5" of no threads, once it is in all the way it is not even grabbing the sheathing on the wall unless you hit a stud. I might even be concerned about hitting a wire inside a wall.
I know of a job I wasn't there, but the guys pulled their stone off pulling in wires and when they got to the end realized the wires were wrapped around a pole.
if the utility conductors was hot, why didn’t you get shocked when using your knife to strip the live conductors??
Love the video and the code references on screen are pretty cool. I always get a little pucker factor when I have to work with live conductors or see someone work on them even though I know what is being done is safe, I have the greatest respect for those that do it every day. I have hooked rg6 messenger cable through my ladder more than a few times I would like to admit, it's always a pain to go back and undo it since there can't be any break in the cable before the ground block we could never do a splice outside even if there was enough slack to create drip loops.
Where was the electrical disconnect I know you can’t take 110v
Hey Ron, Happy New Year to you and your family. Funny, I have a 32’ Werner fiberglass ladder in my garage that’s only been used twice. Let me know if you are ever down around exit #2 of the NJTP we can talk 🥳🥳🥳🥳
Happy new year!
Would Self rappers work a lot easier ?
Nice work though
I have done lot of service upgrades and never used 4" long screws to secure service cable. Excessive length could pierce a wire or worst yet a water supply line inside of walls. Always taped the bare grounded conductor both inside of meter can ( white tape ) and at weather head ( two laps of Scotch 33 black tape ) . The black scotch 33 tape that I used at my weather head bare wire almost 40 years ago holding up good out in the sun, rain , heat & cold. I had a dedicated steel brush to brush the paste deep into aluminum strands. Keep it in a heavy freezer bag to keep it clean. Years ago PECO would give you quality center bolt bugs to connect services. Had to sign for them but every once in awhile would have one of their bucket trucks on a job and they would give me a bunch of the two sizes they had.
You tape the uninsulated grounded neutral? Lol what for? That makes no sense. 4” long screws are necessary because of the 2-3 finishes on an old house. Water pipes are never run on the exterior walls of a house because they would freeze.
Those wires coming through the cold air return is concerning
Ron is the MAN when it comes to electrical installations. Always a great job. Thanks Ron.
Thanks Bob!
Happy New Year Ron another great install, why don't you use USEI wire more often than using conduit and wire ?
Because of concerns to protect the conductors from physical damage. For instance, I cannot use SE-cable when a meter is in close proximity with a driveway, or car port. Stuff like that.
Love your video Ron, i am a utility company troubleshooter, i have been to many jobs of open neutral, phase down or low voltage that a electrician who reponded to customer call, sold them a service upgrade. Then calls utility to repair actual problem. Then i stand in front of customer, while they ask me what did i pay electrician for? Truthfully i make up a story that they all new equipment with plenty of space for car chargers etc....
The biggest trouble with this call was the utility lost a neutral and damaged a lot of equipment inside the house. I don't know the extent of the damage but I'll be going back there to changeout some old non-tamper resistant receptacles, GFCI's, and I'm sure other unlicensed hack work.
I enjoy watching your videos and the difference in how things are done. I live in British Columbia. All services connects and disconnects have to be done the local utility . I notice that you attach cable directly to the wall . Our standard is all conductors above ground have to be in conduit. Underground can be direct burial or in a conduit.
Cool, thanks
Never see. 120/208 in a residential house. Only commercial. Did you notify jcpl?
Yeah I was on hold for 2 days.
Hi Ron, I am a electrician and I just got my license in California 4 months ago, but I am struggling to get jobs, customers or go contractors want the job cheap. What tips can you give me. Thanks I like the videos.
Just do good work consistently and word will spread like wildfire. Do not under sell yourself.
Ron, great videos, do you have any videos of a service upgrade where the service cable comes to the roof over head, but goes down thru the inside wall to the panel? All services in your area seem to be on exterior of house?
I have a 200 AMP Mast Service upgrade found here: ua-cam.com/video/2exwe2Fga3w/v-deo.htmlsi=7p6635I9Yav7PtsD
Yea they should all be outside. If there is a fire they have to cut the power before putting water on it and shouldn’t enter house without water
Ron, great work as always 💪🏼
As far as working for yourself: what do you do about medical insurance?
I used to have to pay for it out of pocket but now I am covered under my wife's medical plan.
Hey Ron, Love your videos. Have you ever had an issue with pseg making you re-do a point of attachment to accommodate the larger wires they will use as the new service drop?
No, that’s PSEG territory.
That was great video, camera angle on ladder was great. When you connected live wires on ladder,is that the reason you could handle them because you were on fiberglass ladder so you were not grounded?
Correct. Current in the conductor had no path to flow. No conductive path to flow.
Wow. Copper service cable. Priced 4/0 copper SEU cable 40 years ago and it was $1 an inch ( $12 a foot ) and Billows electric only stocked it in one of their 12 locations., the one down at the Jersey shore.
Rookie journeyman here in TX. EARNED my sub sir. Excellent work, but "Go get your license " put it over for me. So many unlicensed hacks around my area doing really shoddy/unsafe work. Thanks sir!
Appreciate your videos,I am starting in the electrical field and planning to get into refrigeration and your videos help a lot.Thanks.
Refrigeration and electrical goes hand-in-hand. HVAC controls is also a great career path. Never stop learning and thanks for watching these videos.
Hey brother what I learned to get better tongue on the part which you were installing the straps up too, just use a better drill with less fasteners.. one long but instead of that drywall attachment and those other attachments.. or just get closer with one medium size bit.. especially since you’re up in heights.. I enjoyed this video 🤜🏽🤛🏽
My wife says you talk funny - she's from Alabama. Told her that she talks funny.
🤣🤣🤣
My bowling center, pinsetters uses "universal" 208v. Pinsetters use them anyway.
Bro you the master, I like you working, niceeeeeee and cleaner, take you time to do any job I like that my name is Rafael Paulino I live in Florida, I start following you video, I electrician too
Have you added any emergency disconnect switches on the outside of homes in combination with a meter pan replacement in PSE&G territory? It would be nice to have a meter-main panel with meter pan and integrated 200A breaker as emergency and service disconnect, but I can’t find if PSE&G allows that. Thanks, great to hear your NJ specific knowledge.
I don't think I've done a full upgrade in either territory since 9/6 when the full requirement went into effect. For some reason they do not like the meter/ main combos and I wish I knew why.
They dont allow them here either. One reason I’ve been told is it makes it even less likely someone will replace the meter socket when the jaws wear out. You usually can’t get new replacement jaws within a few years. There are other reasons too. But the outside disconnects are the code now and they will be making them be added if there are any changes to the service conductors or socket add one
Did you miss the missing plastic protection at the incoming lines in the main panel - your were inspecting it... ?
I’m not sure who put that panel in or when. The covers over the lugs is a relatively new code requirement.
hi Ron your video very helpful and I'm just curios to touch the service entrance how do I protect myself when I touch the service line ? thanks
I thought the video transition at 7:57 was the vinyl siding falling down on you! And I know handling the service feed is safe because you are insulated, but it still freak me out a bit. A few years ago we had to replace our meter box - water leak had corroded the lugs and we lost one leg to the house. Our electrician run his pvc heat box directly from the service feed, which I found fascinating
Great video.
I would expect 208v would cause overheating problems with 240v rated motors such as you might find on table saws, hot tubs with jacuzzi jets, AC compressors, etc. And resistive loads would take significantly longer to reach their target temperature. This issue is what high-leg delta transformers are designed to address -- when both 3-phase and single split-phase loads are present. The utility should be asked to correct this problem.
the utility caused this problem!
Understood. I did not mean to imply this was a problem caused by you. The utility supplies the power and in this case they are not supplying enough!
That would work but we use a different meter but not on a house because it is a three phase service
Also don’t you love how they cut that j Chanel to funnel in the water to rot the board behind the socket
So the utility makes you use butt splices? Can’t use H taps and press it?
The utility doesn’t make me use anything. Butt splices are the easiest for me to work with up on the ladder. They’re most likely going to cut these out soon anyway.
The cables u took off at the beginning of the video were they live or the power was off ?
Yes, they're live.
Ron, great video. Happy New Year. Hopefully 2024 will be all it can be. Best regards from Chicago
Hi Electrician Ron I have a question for you do electricians still do Home Burglar Alarm pre-wiring in new construction Homes Just curios Let me know thank you.
Usually not. I have a license but there are company’s that specialize in that.
@@electricianron_New_Jersey OK, thank you for letting me know I plan on starring my own alarm company called Rory’s alarms like you see on my UA-cam channel that’s the name. My alarm company is gonna be and it will specialize in that as well.
Aye, Bloomfield!
Great video. Excellent work. Thanks for sharing. Cheers.
You don't use a torque wrench for the meter socket lugs?
No, I don’t. Do you?
One Job I wont do is install a panel my self call a pro for that licensed Electrician
Copper SEU, that's crazy to see. I've known it existed but I've never seen it in person.
@@handles_are_dumb_01 I live near the Atlantic Ocean and my supply house stocks it because aluminum turns to dust in short order along the coast.
@@electricianron_New_Jersey That makes a lot of sense. Here in Ohio we don't have a lot of oceans around so it's not much of a concern, lol.
I'm guessing you would use 2/0 copper for 200 amp service in that case?
What do you mean you mean water lines don't go through meter cans as a junction lol
I have never seen a 120/208 single phase Residential service in my 28 years in the Trade. We do have a lot of 3phase 120/208volt high-leg Delta Commercial services here in the Portland
This is not a delta system. There is no HIGH LEG. It’s a single phase service from a 120/208 Wye configuration.
There are some old neighborhoods where I am located and they have the same voltage in those areas also.
So with that distribution set up, any loads that will require 240 volts, will only receive 208 volts? 120x 1.73=208 volts for 3 phase service. This residence will only be using 2 legs of 3 phase service which will still be giving 208 volts. But this house is just a single phase 240/120 volt single phase set up. How’s this ok?
Most of your stuff is meant to run on both. Most apartment buildings are 120/208. I bet bigger fancier fridges and stoves might lot be but just an unusual set up is all
To my fellow NJ electrical contractor. Where is the outdoor disconnect for the service which is required but code and ALL meters whether from PSE&G or JCP&L come with detox preinstalled on the lugs. No need to add anymore. Just an FYI
To my fellow NJ EC: the service disconnect is not required unless you are upgrading the entire service.
Have they hit you with the article 230.67 yet 🤦🏻♂️ codes just keeps digging into our profit margins
@@e-tekelectric433 of course! The DCA adopted 230.67 on 9/6/23.
Fill weather head with duct seal inside
Done.
Ron sounds like the power co. Just tap the house service off a 120/208 3 phase bank not ideal for a residential property. As a lineman of 31 years from a municipal utility we would never tap a residential property off a power bank. Obviously they just used 2 phases. Keep up the fabulous videos.
It’s weird right?
Curious the utilities out there supply the meter sockets . Here in MA we have to supply them, also we have to have an outside emergency shut off outside, for single and duplex dwelling units. Looks like New Jersey doesn't require.
They do provide meter enclosures but this was kind of an emergency repair so I just bought one. A permit number is required in order to get the meter enclosure and I still dont have the permit for this job. I've applied for one but it hasn't been processed as of yet.
Great detail on the list neutral. It not an easy concept to grasp.
Are you a work alone electrician? no helper?
A Dremel with a diamond cut off wheel would work faster!
Do what faster?
@@electricianron_New_Jersey remove old collar and fitting on end of wiring! Just suggestion 😄
How come you're not getting shocked when you are touching live wire from the street?
Stripping, etc.?
Because the electrons have no path to flow because I am insulated up on the fiberglass extension ladder.
Around my area you put in a 200 amp service with 4/0 wire and you're lucky if the utility has #2 triplex feeding it. 😂
That's the way it is here too. All # 2 AWG Aluminum unless you're close to the saltwater.
Like your vidéo got a question I need to move my panel it 100w if the rebuild it do they still need to do up to code
Different in each state. Check with your bldg dept.
@@electricianron_New_Jersey ok I start talking to my city but it so long to get a answer lol
If it was here in New Jersey then yes, it would need to be brought up to code including while house surge protection to safeguard your wiring and branch circuits from dangerous surges that could really wreak havoc @@curtlundcramer9424
It's always good practice all around to use anti-ox on ALL of your AL conductors. Over the years they have made a lot of saftey improvements in the alloys specifically used for electrical applications, but AL can still oxidize, especially if outdoors, or in humid areas.
Funny when you tied in the service conductors with them through the rungs haha. Yes in 45 years I have made many dumb mistakes mostly when I am doing something for the thousandth time and I am thinking of other things.
Of course
Do you ever use a torque wrench for the tightening the lugs ?
Ron it finally clicked! You remind me of Larry miller the comedian! Ever since I started watching your vids you reminded me of someone and it was him! Lmao keep up the great work and content!
Not sure who Larry Miller is but I am a fan of Jim Florentine, Don Jamieson, and Big J Oakerson.
We are running that 208 120 in a hotel we are building
The hotel is probably a 3-phase service.
@electricianron_New_Jersey yes 208 we got 480 transformers for elevators
Can I Install a new main breaker,meter base etc. next to the existing one before cutting service off and removing the old one?
Usually that’s what many do. One thing to watch for or ask is that you don’t lose too much service drop length. You can have it all inspected and waiting for the service move.
Happy New Year Ron! What kind of drill bit were you using when screwing in clips?
#2 Phillips
Hi Ron, love your videos. I noticed when you were splicing back the live wires your hand was close to the downspout. Is there any danger of you touching the downspout and getting shocked ?
Yes, in all likely hood there is a path to ground from the aluminum water leaders so you would definitely get shocked should the two surfaces meet. Don't give the electrons a path to flow and you won't get hurt.
Hey Ron, great work, as always. Curious if you ever have to deal with cranky residents in neighboring houses when you have to work in such tight confines between the properties?
Sometimes
I'm surprised it's still allowed to use an SER cable for a riser. In my location 2" ridgid conduit mast is required.
Illinois?
@@electricianron_New_Jersey California
Cali where the electrical panels are outside. @@Oldhogleg
@@electricianron_New_Jersey After WWII they've been typically flush mount except for upgrades on pre WWII homes. Usually supplying feeders to one or two subpanels within the home. The utility company has been pushing for ALL new service panels to be surface mounted with exposed service mast or exposed riser of the underground lateral to prevent people from tapping power on the supply side of the meter to power Grow-Ops.
Good job Ron! Nice of you to work on Saturday. Stay safe!
Great Video. Thank you for sharing. Happy New Year. What is size gauge wire in this video ?
4/0 Aluminum SEU
Did one on these in chicago. Had to carry a 2 inch ridgid pipe up the ladder and thread it on. I weighs about 40lb
I don't work with 2" or 2.5" RMC often but when I do I eat my Wheaties and question the amount for a 10' stick!
What do you do for health insurance Ron?
I pay for it. Why would you ask me this?
@@electricianron_New_Jersey I mean as a self employed electrician. How do you get your insurance? Who do you buy it through. I am wondering because in the future I will need to get my own.
Another great video and Happy New Year's May 2024 bring you lots of joy and happiness
Thank you! HNY to you too!
No fluff, no BS, these videos are the real deal, what it’s like to actually be on the job. Super helpful to watch a seasoned pro getting it done.
Ron: I get nervous sending 2-3” screws in for straps, that I’ll hit something. Ever a concern for you?
Normally, things like water pipes are not run inside the house on an exterior wall because they’d freeze. So no, I don’t worry too much.
Happy New Year 2024 HUG
Good job and well done. I especially like your explanation of the electric code and its applications. Thanks for sharing
I sincerely appreciate that. Thank you and happy new year to you!
Don't forget to make a new video introducing your new ladder!! 😂
Ha ha. Yeah. Have you ever handled a 32' ext. ladder? It's the real deal, for sure.
Great video ron as usual, been subbed for some time now. Had a question on your customers and how you find them to get work??? Obviously i know about advertising and all that stuff but was curious what your specific method was. Thanks bro !!! Happy New year !!
When you put in the work, the results will come. The harder I work, the luckier I am. Tell everyone you know that you are a professional electrician and word will spread like wildfire but you have to be good at it and persevere at all costs. Build trust by showing up on time, doing what you say you're going to do, and clean up after you are finished. Take your trash with you and always, always, always employ drop clothes and respect peoples property. Also, if you are really just starting out then don't be afraid to do there work that others don't want to do because if you that ONE THING you will always have work!!!!
@electricalron I have been an electrician for 21 years outta philly. Never went on my own and was thinking about it. I will be 40 soon so times moving fast ya know. The one thing that always steered me out of it was the customer side. Like I always get plenty of side work all these years just was thinking like if that runs dry a bit where ya go from there on your own ya know. Thanks for the reply Ron !!!!
I’ve seen this in residential distribution system. It occurs if the loading and phase angle between the phases isn’t perfect. High inductive or capacitive load will cause the phase angle to shift. Each phase is 120 vac and across the phases will be 208vac. I would have the utility check either the transfer or the loading on each phase.
How can the phase angle between phases be off ? It’s set at 120 degrees at the generator in the power station .
@@persona250 the generator sets it at 120 degrees . A transformer can be designed to set the voltage 180 degrees apart. On High Voltage lines the phase angle of 120 degrees can be sifted up to 5 degrees either way. To get 240 volts the phases have to be 180 degrees opposite. Load currents of different type of loads can shift the angle . It comes down to the anglular different between the current and voltage.
Imagine adding a single phase panel from a three phase 120/ 208 service. The double pole circuits in the single phase panel would be 208V across both legs. That's what they have here.
Wow! Great video/work! And discussion! 👌👍
Thank you.
I love the content, you are a trusted source for knowledge and practices.
Thank you!
Excellent work.
Great video Ron. Any chance on doing a video on how you write up an invoice for a customer?
That’s private tbh.
@@electricianron_New_Jersey oh ok I apologize. I guess I was more just interested in understanding how you itemize a job on paper when you give it to a customer. Like whether to break down all the costs involved in the job or just keep it simple and write 200A service upgrade for example.
Hey Ron great work as usual but I would use the quick connect 12 v Milwaukee impact instead of that screw gum .i also use my 1/2 inch screw gun to twist that neutral and last but not least spend some of that great money we make and buy the battery operated Milwaukee cutters for the SE cable your hands will love you as you get older 👍