Power for the Future: A new 200 AMP Electrical Service Upgrade
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- Опубліковано 4 лип 2024
- In this video an old Murray 100A panel and service is removed and a new 200A service is wired and installed. See how an experienced electrician upgrades the entire service in a day.
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Ron Pecina Jr. is a licensed electrician in the state of New Jersey. This allows him to apply for electrical permits, work with live conductors, remove meters, and disconnect service from the utility company. New Jersey observes the 2020 NEC and the Uniform Construction Code. The majority of the work seen here on this channel falls under the Rehabilitation Sub Code (Chapter 6 of the U.C.C.).
ALL New Jersey licensed electricians MUST complete 34-hours of continuing education units each tricentennial period. This includes a mandatory 10-hour code update course. Any work above 10-volts requires an electrical license in New Jersey.
Ron is an active member of the New Jersey Independent Electrical Contractors Association.
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Hey Ron, just wanted to give you a huge thanks for making these videos. You’ve been a big inspiration. I’m 23 years old here in Northern Ohio and just got my master/ electrical contracting license and been in business about 11 months as a Generac dealer. I’ve personally never met anyone in the electrical field over the years who wanted to teach me anything or help in any way so I definitely learned as I went . But finding your UA-cam channel was a blessing. You’re doing a great thing by passing your knowledge down to the younger generation and teaching all the tricks to the trade. Thank you! Always looking forward to the next video. Great work like always. Stay safe. 👍
Landon, thank you for kind words. I’m in training now to become an instructor with the IEC. I have links in the description to Independent Electrical Contractors Association in the description. Always do your best work.
I'm doing my best to learn on my own too. I work electrical maintenance and there is no one else here (the company) with any journeyman/Master experience. I'm doing the apprenticeship program through here and a local college. I'm close to my "needed" hours to sit for the test, and I read a lot. But, having a guiding hand would be welcomed.
@@MakitafanTry searching for Mike Holt and I highly recommend buying and studying his books. He has a whole catalog on just about everything electrical.
Love your idea of dating the work and putting the weather. Will give the next guy something to smile about 50-60 years from now.
You’re not kidding. A lot of the old meters I pull have dates on them. 1964, 67, 75, etc.
A clean install and thanks for the education. I like all those extra slots for future circuits on that 200 amp whole house service panel.
very nice, thanks - good point on the duct seal
Great video, the most detailed one I've seen.
Excellent video! Thanks!!!
Love these videos Ron. You're a hands on teacher and this is how I learned in the field.
It takes a certain breed to work alone and you nail it each time.
Great video. The heat is something I can relate too. Living in S W Louisiana heat and humidity is part of life everyday here for most the year. Stay safe and hydrated my friend. Keep on keeping on.
love all the space in the panel
Love your videos. Great workmanship as always. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and expertise. Much appreciated!
Glad you liked it!
Great Job⚡️
The space to the left of the panel is great when doorbell transformers are installed 👍
You do a great job I just started my business in SC and I watch your videos for ideas. I always try to learn easier ways to get the job done.
That's always nice to hear so thank you.
Learning from your videos, I barely know the basics on electricity but never too late to learn.
Current leaves the source and returns to the source.
Great to see the difference between 🇺🇸 and UK 🇬🇧 Wiring - subscribed 👍
Nice work Ron.
Great Job as always Ron, You certainly do professional work, and neat. Love your videos.
Thank you very much.
Hey Ron, great work as always brother. Wish we had those meter pans instead of the 5 jaw with bypass here on Long Island. Stay cool! this weather is crazy hot.
Hello Ron nice work I drove trucks for 47 years now retired
Loved your choice of music at 23:34. Actually replayed it several times LOL.
Ron, first of all, thank you again for your content. I always learn something new from your videos. Just a few observations from where I am (Connecticut). We are on 2020 since October of 2022. The external disconnect is a fine idea in theory, but in reality, it lets kids, trouble makers and just "bad actors" a way to turn off power to the house. The people this was intended for - firemen, etc. - never had trouble cutting the meter ring and pulling the meter when needed. Yes, it's not as safe, for sure, but they do have protective gear for those situations. For the bonding bar (Intersystem bonding termination) - the local low voltage utilities do not bond to it. Their protocols tell them to bond to a strap around the Myers hub on top of the meter. Plus, there are almost no new copper low voltage utilities (coax, etc.) - it's mostly fiber these days, esp. around here. Of course, code is code, and there is no option not to follow it, but just sharing my observations. Thanks again, Ron!
Hi Ron. UA-cam suggested one of your videos a while back and I’ve been hooked ever since. I enjoy your videos very much. You do nice clean work. It seems harder and harder to find tradesmen that actually take pride in their work as you do. Take care and be safe out there. I’m in Florida in case you wonder where your viewers are.
Glad to have you here. Hope you enjoy all of the videos.
The fact you use emery cloth to clean the corrosion from the water lines is a respected method. I can't tell you how many times I see those clamps on old dirty pipes. Some guys just like the wall of shame in the office lol. Great work again .
It's required by the NEC.
Good vid Ron ... 1st time watcher and 1st time subscriber ... Thx
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great editing. Love the load comment/advice
Thank you. I work very hard editing and making each video better than the last.
That is a lot of room for extra circuits!
Your comments about the heat brought back some memories. I spent 2 months in the summer of 1977 in Lakehurst while in the Navy. That place defines the word “miserable” in the summer 🥵!
Hey, I used to drill in Lakehurst with the Navy Seabees.
@@electricalron Cool. I attended the advanced catapult and arresting gear school there.
Круто выполненная работа. Вы большой профессионал.
Simply seen the the breaker box changed to a 200 amp from 100 amp worked fine no need to change anything outside. Also seen houses run central ac/heat on 100amp service for 15 plus yrs no issues.
Nice. Good to have a bulkhead cellar door right there for access. Thanks.
That was key on this one.
Definitely AMPED to see the follow up.
Cool video Ron Keep them coming back lol thank you for doing great job lol ❤😂🎉😢
As a young electrician, I was sent out to do a service by myself, and it was easy, except when I went to pull the meter, I slipped and dropped the meter, shattering the glass. The mechanical portion of the meter was alright, and PSEG never came out by the end of the day so I took a plastic bag and taped it around the meter and put on my thick leather gloves and sent it home. It worked for a while like that, because I kept driving by the house every few days, worried I'd drive by a smouldering pile of rubble 😂
That's not a great thing to admit.
@@jonmayerEvery lesson's worth learning today, man. Only meter I've ever broke. Haven't dropped one since. I was young and dumb and rushing, and it worked out in the end. PSEG came out and replaced it a few days later.
I hear you. I’ve been there and have broken the glass. I put a contractor garbage bag to keep the rain out of there.
All POCOs are different. We had one around here once you pulled the meter with their permission, they told us to just leave it by the meter socket and jump the meter and they estimate the bill and come out with a new meter in a couple of days. In fact, they required you to go to the POCO office before changing the service to pick up a set of meter jumpers and a clear plastic meter cover to keep the water out.
The 1968 house I bought 1 year ago, they upgraded the panne to 100amp with a disconnect for the fire department. I was looking at adding a mini-split and one quote said I had to upgrade to 200amp. Need 200amp for an electric car charging also.
Hey. Thanks for the info. But I was told, if you upgrade to your service the grounding wire must be green. I just purchased 20ft of the black grounding wire.
PVC coupling is repaired when length is more as 10 feet PVC expands or contract in heat and cold as 1 inch only.
This was very cool to see. Going to hire an electrician to upgrade from 100a to 200a and it doesn’t look scary at all.
I assure you that upgrading an electrical service is no easy task. Good luck!
@@electricalron didn’t mean to make it sound easy! Just that in the hands of a skilled electrician like yourself it’s nothing to fear as a homeowner.
@@RichardWagenknecht Gaining a clients trust begins with showing up on time. After that it’s doing what you say you’re going to do and cleaning up. Not a lot of tradespeople are good at either of those three things.
I enjoy watching your videos, first class workmanship. Please spend a few $$ and buy some safety glasses and wear them when plugging in meters and operating CBs with the cover off.
Great video. Not an electrician, but just like watching professionals do great work. Nice hammer @ 13:53, lol!
This house has nice exterior trim detail, as I recall from the first video in the garage area.
Hey Ron I noticed you don't have any merch? Should start thinking on making stickers, Tshirts, key chains I would definitely support. Great work and knowledge Dude
In Tx all new contruction, Residential and Commercial and upgrades require a Outside Disconnect between the Meter and the Inside Panel(s)
Was not required until 9/6/23 here in NJ. We’re on the 2020
NEC.
👍awesome
Awesome Work Man! Amazing content not much fluff, clear and concise information. Keep up the good work!
I do my best.
NICE!
In a way you left space on that board for any other services or devices for future use 😉. Just like you wanted to do right brother ? Haha
Great video. Question, were you required to use an expansion coupling?
Great video, here in pa they make you run a GfI outlet off the panel. I see you don't have too. Just wanted know.
Very nice work outside 👏
There is no NEC requirement for that GFCI receptacle.
When you cut power at the weather head, what's keeping you from getting shocked? Is it the gloves and the insulated lineman pliers? Great job as always.
Hi Ron! Just found your channel! Awesome job! You earned a subscriber! I do have a question! If upgrading from 100 to 200, do the lines coming from the power pole to the house need upgraded as well? Or is that a case by case basis?
How do you keep from getting shocked when you touch the power line coming into the box from the pole? I worry if I touch them it'll fry me. Does it only shock if you touch both or something?
Hi Ron.
I'm retired from NY, and residing in NC now.
I've been using the M-12 stapler, it's great for over head tight places and you don't get a dirt shower like when you hammer staples.
Probably the only Milwaukee M12 I haven't seen you use.
Your thoughts?
PS
Love the FJB mark up inside the meter pan.
Thanks for being a great resource for residential electricians.
Joe
Have you ever done panel replacements or upgrades in townhomes/condos? How do you handle grounding there when your inches away from the next homeowners meter.
Hey Ron, enjoying all of your upgrade vids! Have you come across any homes with solar installed that are looking to upgrade from 100 to 200 AMP service? I'm having a rough time trying to find a contractor that knows how to do so.
Question. When you upgrade your panel from 100 to 200amps, the service cables have to be replaced as well? Or not?
Ron, you addressed exactly what I was going to ask about the outside disconnect. I'm getting ready to do this upgrade on my house and trying to get my ducks in a row (Hanover Twp. NJ). I gather that I will need the outdoor disconnect if I pursue this in 2024?
I'd also like to add a generator hookup at the same time. Instead of an LB to enter the house, could I use a junction box and have the generator hookup lines come in from an additional piece of conduit on the side of the j-box? then I could have the conduit going through my wall come out the back of that j-box. the downside seems to be that, according to my calculations, I'll need a 3" PVC conduit to handle the fill regulations (4/0 4/0 2/0 aluminum SEU for the service and a 3-conductor 6 AWG + ground UF-B for the generator, I'd like 50 A for the generator feed) so I'll need to drill a big beefy hole in the foundation. not a problem for my rotary hammer but I'll need to get a 3.5" hole saw for it
Hi Ron. Good work as always, enjoy watching your videos. What kind of electrical grease do you use on the cables? Thanks
The grease you see being applied to the conductors at the meter is called antioxidant.
I heard you mention In another video the SPD. Is that a separate device from the main breaker? Is it not included in a new panel? Thanks for your time! New subscriber
Your videos are always high quality and get right to the point and include additional details. I’m curious have you dealt with service upgrades where the new service is trenched in? I am planning to upgrade to 200 amps soon and trenched in services are required in my area due to the wind storms we get.
I do underground services all the time. Most of them are already in place though. Check with your utility provider. They’ll have the standards you’ll need before proceeding.
@@electricalron Awesome. Yep already planning that with the utility company to see where the nearest transformer is and how to get the work done. My townhouse has the main service grouped with my neighbors service. It’s weird and the builder ran the service line across the ceilings of our joined garages. It a complete pain. The builder cheaped out on the service wire so now I need a new trenched 2/0 line to upgrade from 100 to 200 amps. Freaking builders I swear. 16 circuit cheap panel also.
Ron, thanks for your content. I am currently working on get my journeyman license in electrical. My goal is to eventually get my HVAC license as well. I have watched several of your videos. In your jurisdiction once you domthe service upgrade, say if you do not pass inspection. Will the inspector make you pull the meter. I always thought the power would be off at the customers house until the final inspection. Just asking because I know every jurisdiction is different. And you will probably have to think back to when was the last time you failed an inspection. For someone like yourself I doubt you fail inspections often.
Nice video, Thank you. Can a homeowner do their own service upgrade? Changing meter can, panel and wire to service head?
Yes you can!
what gauge wire did you use from the top down?
18:25
Intersystem bonding termination
my house need a bigger breaker panel xD
Sounds like you need a misting fan that is what I use when it is really hot and humid
I’ve seen the Ego misting fan featured on Tool Review Zone channel. Honestly, I just spent like $800 on a new Sarasota Tool Vest from Atlas 46 so maybe another time on the misting fan.
Did you use tapcons on the meter base?
Hi Ron, love your videos. I have a question- In your experience, is it common that the electric companies oversize the drop cables coming into the house? I am in the planning stages of building a detached workshop and I may need to upgrade my service to, I believe 320 amp is the next step up from my current 200 amp service. I see a lot of videos online where the drop is not changed. This leads me to believe that maybe the electric companies allow for future expansion when running the drop. My house was built in 2005, so the 200 amp service was the original setup- not an upgrade from 100 amp. Thanks
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I really enjoy your videos. How much did all of this cost?
This one was $3800
Is there a reason why you didn’t label the branch circuits ?
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Why the expansion coupling? None of the pipe is in the ground everything is going through above the foundation, so there won’t be any reason for an expansion?
Do you just love the painters who pant the screw heads
I've been replacing receptacles and switches for three decades and I have seen it all.
I know its not common but I have seen panels mounted horizontally. That could of possibly helped with the placement of the services entrance.
Mounting a panel horizontally is a code violation. Today, all circuit breakers in the ON position must never be in the down position. They be ON left or right but never in the down position. NEC 240.81 Indicating.
What made you stick to residential Ron? I know a lot of people hate it, and stick to commercial/industrial or they go into a more niche area and focus on a particular thing like motor controls or PLC's. Just curious on what you like about it. I'm pretty tall and do a lot of electrical wiring for an HVAC company as an apprentice alongside my direct boss/license holder. I'm pretty tall, which makes attic work/crawl spaces a pain to deal with. I'm up in New England, so I can usually manage the heat fairly well in the summer, but I don't care for not being able to stand , and navigating my long body around things can be difficult. But the work gets done, and I love the job. Can't say I'll do the thing I am doing now forever, but I love the field and keep up the good work!
Thanks again Ron. Are you licensed to do service in Pennsylvania? Currently going through the first time home buying process and hope to have a home before the end of the year. Not sure what kind or type of service the home will have but I do want to consider updating it to 200 amp service just for 'future renovations' that will happen. Another great video! Again thanks!
I'm fairly certain that Pennsylvania only has licensing requirements in Philadelphia and Pittsburgh. Good luck house hunting!
Hey Ron great vids!! How do you know what amps to use for each circuit breaker, just match to previous circuit breaker? Thanks!!
Always size the circuit breaker the AWG size of the conductor.
I’m in Cranford in need work
Great Video. Thank you for sharing. What is the size gauge wires for 200 Amp ?
4/0 copper
Many compliments to the very informative video. 4/0 copper between meter and panel? 4/0 Service entrance? Was 2" pvc required or preferred?
Jim Croche in the background !!!
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I’s it okay to cut the grounded conductor “pigtail” on the arc protection breakers for a cleaner look in the panel?
No, it’s not.
Question, I am replacing an old 200A panel with a new one but my old doesn’t appear to have a bonding screw anywhere. It does however have a ground electrode rod and ground wire connected to the neutral bar inside the old panel. It is a main panel and the question is do I have to connect the neutral from my meter with the ground wire from the electrode ground? Plus the new panel has a grounding or bonding screw. Can I also connect the bonding screw being a main pane?
The main bonding jumper always gets installed in the main disconnect. You have to be certain it’s the main disconnect. What you’ve described leads me to believe the MBJ is there, you just haven’t identified it yet.
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I'm sorry but that's a ridiculous location for your feeders😂
Those aren't even feeders, they're service-entrance conductors.
@@electricalron excuse me, my mistake, service entrance conductors.
I have a question for you.
What size are the wires coming from the pole that service the meter?
Usually #2 aluminum.
It's crazy to see you cutting the main lines coming in and taking the meter off. We're not allowed to touch those here in Ontario, Canada.
It’s not like that everywhere but here in New Jersey this how it’s done. I have a few UG services coming and it’s a complete nightmare to have JCPL come out to disconnect at their transformer. DR #’s and fees to pay to have it done.
@@electricalron Yeah, the timeline of the day relies so much on the local utility companies.
So how much does a service like this cost nowadays? Scotch Plains NJ? Good ol' Rt 22.
why do you not use arc fault breakers when doing service upgrades? are they not required when upgrading service?
Not in New Jersey are they required for existing electrical services being upgraded. Like for like here.
Do you put surge protectors in when doing upgrades?
Not required "yet" but I do encourage my customers to add them.
Can't believe they let you run pvc for the riser
Why did you install an expansion joint underneath the meter? That's not code is it?
It's between two fixed points
How did you sneak by without the disconnect?
New Jersey just adopted this section in September 2023.
And my nest thermostat stopped working after getting this done today and im freezing lol help!
Did you call the electrician who did the work?
@@electricalron ya i will tomorrow sucks i cant fit it now
I thought expansion couplings are only necessary when coming up to a building from underground due to settling Earth or a new structure settling overtime.
Is it really necessary or required by code for overhead?
If the sun is going to beat down on the PVC it will expand. It might not required here but it’s a good design and practice to doing a better job.
How much did you charge for this?
great video Ron. Tell me about the expansion coupling. I don't work with PVC often. Why did you choose the location you did? And, if you're strapping the conduit how tight? Does it need to be snug, but loose enough for expansion? Thanks
The expansion coupling is required by the NEC, article 352.44. It's required where more than 1/4" of expansion is likely to occur in straight runs between two points where conduit fittings, enclosures, boxes, or cabinets are used. The straps are NOT placed on the expansion coupling so that it can 'adjust' when needed. Good question.
I was thinking the same question,living in MI I see them used on a underground feed side from underground to the meter base but never saw one used on the entrance side.
Hey Ron, doesn't the service wire from the pole have to be bigger when You upgrade the service? Thank You
That's up to the utility company to change/ upgrade.
Afternoon Ron, Enjoy watching the videos you create. I was curious that you were able upgrade this service without installing a disconnect on the outside of the structure. Is there a clause in the NJ Rehab code that allows this?
The disconnect requirement went into effect in New Jersey on 9/6/23. This work was done before then.
Thanks Ron I forgot if the permit has been submitted prior to the new adoption of 2020 NEC code, and there is also a 6 month grace period till the new disconnect rule goes into effect. Have a great day.@@electricalron
do you use the same size wire from the pole for 100 amps and 200 amps and just use a bigger main breaker ?? sorry for all he questions im trying to get my boys to become electritions
dont see your answer to my question
Hey Ron, why the expansion coupling? Is not even 3’ there, no enough expansion or contraction to need an expansion fitting.
Because I felt it was necessary.
Do you put duct seal in the top of the weather-head, It's just something I do. I was taught in school to use it that way.
I have done that in the past but I didn't do that here.