Hmm… no, first the 4+ gen planes, mainly because all nations can have something out of that, list include: - F-16 block 60 and 70, F/A-18E Súper Hornet, F-15E - Su-30,33,35 and MiG-35 - EF Typhoon - Dessault Rafale - J-16 - F-2 - JAS 39E And to be honest, only the F-22, Su-57 and J-20 will be the only unique fighters, the rest will be F-35s, the only “fighter” that you will face the most, like seriusly, 7 of the 10, natios in WT will have F-35s… and Germany..? Yeah probably will get it too
Honestly 5th gen in WT would be a terrible idea, no balance and too classified. also that would mean they would use the performance officially given by gouvernements, which would make the SU57 overperform most likely. also i honestly think it would be boring. so i agree.
@@raouraouraouraourr0 yea, the su57 with cold war tech would never stand a chance against f22, but then we have the russian who are known of lying about performance, the last time that happend usa produced the f15, which too this day is unbeatble, let alone adding stealth to it
@@raouraouraouraourr0 SU57 didnt dee combat and 2 of it was already destroyed by close shrapnel... what a joke. The thing about eastern governments it that they talks lots of shit but in practice their equipment is weaker than any NATO equipment. on the other hand USA doesn't go on about how amazing their stuff is, we just see them perform things they didn't mention because you shouldn't tell ur enemy what u can do unless u can't and want to scare them, that is what Russia has been doing for decades.
@@levi_exiled8579 the problem is that gaijin uses stat given by the russian gouvernement, not its actual stat. Thats the entire problem with the SU57. Its going to be much more powerful than it should.
"Over G Over G terrain Woop Woup! Pull up! Terrain! Terrain! ROLL RIGHT! ROLL RIGHT! You got a hole in your right wing!" The cockpit voice as I slam my f-22 into a tree
I still wonder what happens after 5th gen (if they add them). Is that the end? Or will they go back and flesh out earlier ranks in the tech trees? Or will they instead just start making up their own future planes?
They’ll just stop updating the game and do more monetization like WoT has been doing as they wind down development. The past like 3 years has just been updating the game upwards to sell new prems, they won’t even remember how to make lower tier content once they’re done.
Also wanted to mention that Su-57 will get the K-77M instead of the R-77M (K-77M was designed specifically for SU-57 just like the R-74M2 which was also specialized for the Su-57)
You're repeating common media misinformation, I'm sorry to say. The USAF and LM themselves never claimed the average RCS on the Raptor was that low post-2000s. They said in 2009 that "from a CERTAIN angle", it achieves that low -40 dsbm, which would look steel marble sized. A certain angle is leagues different from average RCS. We also have quotes from Lt. General Christopher Bogdan, Colonel Chris Niemi, Maj. Nash Vickers (all USAF pilots on F35 & F22), plus quotes from LM employees such as Robert Wallace confirming the F35 is stealthier than the F22. The only time LM said the F22 was actually stealthier than the F35... was in a 1999 magazine article, when the F35 didn't even exist yet. The X35A first flew in 2000. So that was a prediction from 7 years before the F35 reached its final production form, and which did not materialize. The F35 is a more advanced stealth plane, which has years of experience over the Raptor program. So all in all the F35 might enjoy being the stealthiest plane in the game. As for the SU57, you're also repeating the common media. Analysis done on it points to it indeed being stealth -- although there are some simulations pointing to it performing worse on stealth than the J20 and F35 --, while quite possibly being the most agile of the 5th gens by a good margin. None of the research points anywhere close to it being as huge as a "clean F18", as seen in many YT videos. Even the analysis done by Aircraft101 (which is considered amateurish) doesn't indicate that. People are absolutely incorrect in judging it by its looks, you cannot tell if a plane is going to be stealth just by looking at it, that's a myth from the F117s times. People are too attached on the SU57 not being stealth because "we can see exposed engine fans" from certain angles, the YF23 was stealthier than the YF22, and yet it also had fan blades visible from the front. We have loads of studies on RCS, simulation software, scale models in anechoic chambers, to have an idea on minimals, maximums, average profiles for those planes. No need for F22 fanboyism.
Thanks for the sub! It’s all a matter of opinion I like clapping sabers with 30g missiles in the su25. The su25 is better for people who are new to jets. But I know the ML can research rank 8. I haven’t played it since the nerf but I guess test flight both and see what you like more 😁
All I know is when fifth gens are added the 1.0 BR below top tier will literally just have to be disabled or something, they won't be able to play the game AT ALL
we cant know what realistic F22 and F35 can look like since they are show aircraft and never have been used in combat meanwhile we know how SU57 acts since it was in real combat and as we saw its mostly unbeatable in air to air combat
Su-57 isn’t all that great. It has a RCS of an apartment room while the f22 has the RCS of a bumble bee. It’s half stealth. And when it comes to a dogfight the F-22 will clap it. The US also has better weapons and radar.
god i hope the don't add these for a long time top tier and high tier jets are already a shitshow. look at the current situation with the AIM-120s. we don't need 5th gen bullshit when we don't even have SEAD mechanics or even proper Stealth.
They are unable to Add a old Eurofigther, to add a German Panzerhaubitze2000 which is fro the Cold War, this game is so useless and annoying, many stop playing it, better ! Nobody should support this anymore, its outdated, looks like people sitting in the Basement, never seeing daylight or reality anymore, thats why they prefer to add useless tanks and robots which are never existed, just annoying. Time for a new better game to develop, garaphics etc are also stuck years ago
Hopefully they add a balloon decal for the f22 since that was it's first known kill 🎈
lol, yea should add it free xp & money
Hmm… no, first the 4+ gen planes, mainly because all nations can have something out of that, list include:
- F-16 block 60 and 70, F/A-18E Súper Hornet, F-15E
- Su-30,33,35 and MiG-35
- EF Typhoon
- Dessault Rafale
- J-16
- F-2
- JAS 39E
And to be honest, only the F-22, Su-57 and J-20 will be the only unique fighters, the rest will be F-35s, the only “fighter” that you will face the most, like seriusly, 7 of the 10, natios in WT will have F-35s… and Germany..? Yeah probably will get it too
Honestly 5th gen in WT would be a terrible idea, no balance and too classified. also that would mean they would use the performance officially given by gouvernements, which would make the SU57 overperform most likely. also i honestly think it would be boring. so i agree.
@@raouraouraouraourr0 yea, the su57 with cold war tech would never stand a chance against f22, but then we have the russian who are known of lying about performance, the last time that happend usa produced the f15, which too this day is unbeatble, let alone adding stealth to it
@@raouraouraouraourr0 SU57 didnt dee combat and 2 of it was already destroyed by close shrapnel... what a joke.
The thing about eastern governments it that they talks lots of shit but in practice their equipment is weaker than any NATO equipment. on the other hand USA doesn't go on about how amazing their stuff is, we just see them perform things they didn't mention because you shouldn't tell ur enemy what u can do unless u can't and want to scare them, that is what Russia has been doing for decades.
@@levi_exiled8579 the problem is that gaijin uses stat given by the russian gouvernement, not its actual stat. Thats the entire problem with the SU57. Its going to be much more powerful than it should.
It's going to be very interesting to see how Gaijin goes about stealth.
@@AverageWTPilot it won’t matter in the current state of ARB
@@Master_Gabe_Gaming yeah it will tho, making missiles easier to notch, reduced ir locking capabilities in all aspect and others advantages.
"Over G Over G terrain Woop Woup! Pull up! Terrain! Terrain! ROLL RIGHT! ROLL RIGHT! You got a hole in your right wing!" The cockpit voice as I slam my f-22 into a tree
You’ve accurately described what I hear Betty telling me in my f16c
I still wonder what happens after 5th gen (if they add them). Is that the end? Or will they go back and flesh out earlier ranks in the tech trees? Or will they instead just start making up their own future planes?
They’ll just stop updating the game and do more monetization like WoT has been doing as they wind down development. The past like 3 years has just been updating the game upwards to sell new prems, they won’t even remember how to make lower tier content once they’re done.
You missed a couple things for China, the j20 carries pl15’s too and they also have a whole ass second 5th gen fighter the j31.
Also wanted to mention that Su-57 will get the K-77M instead of the R-77M (K-77M was designed specifically for SU-57 just like the R-74M2 which was also specialized for the Su-57)
To many "rcs" experts would whine and complain for it to be added i feel but itd be cool to see them ingame
F-22 Gang
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You're repeating common media misinformation, I'm sorry to say. The USAF and LM themselves never claimed the average RCS on the Raptor was that low post-2000s. They said in 2009 that "from a CERTAIN angle", it achieves that low -40 dsbm, which would look steel marble sized. A certain angle is leagues different from average RCS. We also have quotes from Lt. General Christopher Bogdan, Colonel Chris Niemi, Maj. Nash Vickers (all USAF pilots on F35 & F22), plus quotes from LM employees such as Robert Wallace confirming the F35 is stealthier than the F22.
The only time LM said the F22 was actually stealthier than the F35... was in a 1999 magazine article, when the F35 didn't even exist yet. The X35A first flew in 2000. So that was a prediction from 7 years before the F35 reached its final production form, and which did not materialize. The F35 is a more advanced stealth plane, which has years of experience over the Raptor program. So all in all the F35 might enjoy being the stealthiest plane in the game.
As for the SU57, you're also repeating the common media. Analysis done on it points to it indeed being stealth -- although there are some simulations pointing to it performing worse on stealth than the J20 and F35 --, while quite possibly being the most agile of the 5th gens by a good margin. None of the research points anywhere close to it being as huge as a "clean F18", as seen in many YT videos. Even the analysis done by Aircraft101 (which is considered amateurish) doesn't indicate that. People are absolutely incorrect in judging it by its looks, you cannot tell if a plane is going to be stealth just by looking at it, that's a myth from the F117s times. People are too attached on the SU57 not being stealth because "we can see exposed engine fans" from certain angles, the YF23 was stealthier than the YF22, and yet it also had fan blades visible from the front.
We have loads of studies on RCS, simulation software, scale models in anechoic chambers, to have an idea on minimals, maximums, average profiles for those planes. No need for F22 fanboyism.
Chapter two: nobody gives a shit
@@SomeWarthunderGuy Then why did you reply? ;)
1000th sub! But I would like to know whether to get the su25k or the mig 23ml because of the nerfs to the ml
Thanks for the sub! It’s all a matter of opinion I like clapping sabers with 30g missiles in the su25. The su25 is better for people who are new to jets. But I know the ML can research rank 8. I haven’t played it since the nerf but I guess test flight both and see what you like more 😁
@@Master_Gabe_Gaming I got the su25k yesterday and its probably the most fun ive had in awhile
All I know is when fifth gens are added the 1.0 BR below top tier will literally just have to be disabled or something, they won't be able to play the game AT ALL
They still need to sadd a lot of planes to the China tree that they missed for some reason like the J10 and J7G
1:10 its wrong f15C MSIP has a modification from 2005
"Fifth gens"
shows Su-57
Decide, four or five?
Even though it’s not much and it’s not very good it does technically have stealth therefore it’s a 5th gen
We’re also missing the f-14D
I want that as an event vehicle and for them to give it AMRAAMs
What about f14d 😢😢😢
I have that on my wishlist as a event vehicle and give it AMRAAMs
you forgot about su 75,russia f35 version
Can’t wait for it to get the HE162 treatment of praying the glue holds those wooden wings on lmao
it never got to production and is already cancelled
a yes russias 5gen fighter 🤣
we cant know what realistic F22 and F35 can look like since they are show aircraft and never have been used in combat
meanwhile we know how SU57 acts since it was in real combat and as we saw its mostly unbeatable in air to air combat
Su-57 isn’t all that great. It has a RCS of an apartment room while the f22 has the RCS of a bumble bee. It’s half stealth. And when it comes to a dogfight the F-22 will clap it. The US also has better weapons and radar.
@@Master_Gabe_Gaming as i said F22 not combat tested and its a show aircraft SU57 has beaten almost every jet that is in service that it faced
@@Master_Gabe_Gaming also also SU57 is a fighter not a stealth aircraft
@@Master_Gabe_Gaming also also also F22 RCS wasnt confirmed since as i said IT WAS NEVER USED
@@flareamv5503 hey this might shock you *testing*
god i hope the don't add these for a long time
top tier and high tier jets are already a shitshow. look at the current situation with the AIM-120s. we don't need 5th gen bullshit when we don't even have SEAD mechanics or even proper Stealth.
No mention of the nighthawk
I hope they bring stealth F117! That would be a pre purchase for me for sure!
Would be cool but doesn’t really fit in the current game. The only armament is two cruise missiles.
@@Master_Gabe_Gaming yeah, and how many paper prototype vehicles are in the game? Sure they could change the armaments.
@@Maggieismydog true they’re only realistic when they want to be 😂
@@Master_Gabe_Gaming too true!
just give me the F 18
When they add the f22 the player base is gonna skyrocket 😂
And the government is gonna be watching the forums a LOT more closely
Yeah every newbie is gonna buy a top tier premium to grind and top tier is gonna become seal clubbing simulator.
i need those postfx setting holy
Film maker color correction
and we need f14D
we dont need 5th gens
They are unable to Add a old Eurofigther, to add a German Panzerhaubitze2000 which is fro the Cold War, this game is so useless and annoying, many stop playing it, better ! Nobody should support this anymore, its outdated, looks like people sitting in the Basement, never seeing daylight or reality anymore, thats why they prefer to add useless tanks and robots which are never existed, just annoying. Time for a new better game to develop, garaphics etc are also stuck years ago
J20
biplanes are far more fun