@@GimmeTOKYO I'd say more like urgency vibes but the that low square riff that starts the song (solos at around 1:39) and goes over the top of the bass later is definitely a bleek/doom vibe
Entirely intentional I feel. That's meant to be the one triumphant spot in the other oppressive and dominating song, that basically screams, "this fight is 90 percent in the bag for Eggman...but there IS a chance"
@@MisterChief711I don’t think the music team knew what their boss music would be used for. They were probably told to make something epic for the final encounter and this is the result
Its actually really cool seeing the seperate parts of the song because I think certain sections drown out others, its really interesting to see them seperated and then come all together. I think channel 0 really over powers PSG 1 too much.
@@bluerious5475 Yeah but the moment channel 0 starts playing, you almost can't hear PSG 1 at all, which doesn't really happen with other tracks (that I remember). In other songs from the sonic games, you can always tell every sound apart from each other.
I absolutely love when the song starts to reconstruct. That's almost my favorite part of these videos. Because it's like the song is ramping back up to be intense. I honestly get chills haha. But I am a huge sucker for all of this music and it all ...scratches a very nostalgic itch inside me.
5:10 phase 1\2 the boss 2:21 phase 3- pieces of the rocket fall from it and you have to dodge them 3:46 phase 4- the rocket falls and you have to escape it
This is basically what Michael and his team had to do in order to have different tracks for multiple acts. Just cut and rehash the same part of the previous parts. It was the result of rushed Time constraints.
my headcanon for this is that sonic is in a modified doomsday zone as super sonic chasing a rocket rather than the egg mobile, and then when the rocket is destroyed he has to dodge the pieces for ~30 seconds, and after that he gets sucked into the rocket and has to escape with a kill wall of debris constantly pursuing him as he platforms over parts of the rocket, between them, and extra obstacles before the rocket explodes and leaves the master emerald safe for collection
My headcanon: The true final fight against Big Arm, only for those who got all the Emeralds. Phase 1: The normal Big Arm fight, taking 4 hits to move on to phase 2 Phase 2: A pinch mode of sorts. Big Arm moves faster, and goes to the bottom of the screen more often. Another 4 hits is required to move on to phase 3 Phase 3: Instead of the Death Egg falling off of the platform, pieces of the rockets sending the Death Egg to space begin to crumble off. Dodge them for 30sec-1min to move on to phase 4 Phase 4: Pieces of the rockets continue to fall, but now at double speed. Now pieces of the Death Egg are starting to fall off, too. Dodge it for 1min to complete the boss and beat the game.
This theme fits the ending of Sonic 3 PERFECTLY. After you take out Robotnik's bowling ball thing and pillar of doom, you think you've finished the game, but then the sky goes dark and this music starts playing... And then Big Arms comes in and destroys you. It sounds so epic, like Sonic is in a losing battle but comes back from the brink of death to finish the job.
Hearing it like this in parts, then all together really gives the feel behind each instrument used. Its amazing. And now i really feel the "End of the world" vibe this song gives off for sure. Also probably because I am a little bit older too now, lol!
Interesting that channel 0 (the melody track) is almost painfully shrill on its own. But when mixed with all the harmony, the "shrilly" parts gets drowned out (or "smoothed" out?) by the other tracks, so it isn't that bad in the full thing.
Way to make me feel old... I remember my first time beating it when I was ~10, on a Genesis in the mid '90s. Was it the Barrel of Doom that stopped you?
I know nothing about music production, but it seems like these sonic games got more out of the genesis than any other. Some of these sub channels sound like your average genesis game, but all together sounds a real tune!
me before hearing this: (just hears regular stuff normal people would hear) me after hearing this: I HEAR EVERYTHING EVERY GODDAMN NOTE EVERY GODDAMN CHANNEL EVERY BEAT
More complexity in twenty year old 8-bit music than most current music. They used four devices to create a masterpiece, you got thousands on your phone. If Mozart had a smartphone music would've died a long time ago.
Lava reef act 1 from the newly discovered prototype sounds a bit off, and I wanna know why. Such a shame too, cause I like how the DAC is a lot louder in the prototype compared to the final.
It uses Angel Island's bass guitar instrument and lacks those guitar-like instruments before the loop. Ironically, they were used in the prototype Angel Island as well, but were removed in the final.
@@omniscientbarebones The answer is literally right there, right there! Just above your reply! It's the instrumentation and the poor mixing. Nothing to do with DAC processing.
Winamp with the in_vgm.dll plugin will let you do this. In the 'muting' tab you'll be able to see the different channels and a check box next to them to mute them. YM2616 for most of the Genesis sound, and you'll have to go to the SN76496 for the 8-bit sounding channels (PSG 0, 1)
So many covers of this song, even the famous Cash Cash + Jun Senoue version from Sonic Generations, don't get channels 2 and 3 right. They usually simplify it into basic power chords.
I would so love to hear someone do this entire thing in rock version...don't get me wrong, though. I'm WELL aware there are rock versions of this. But none have I heard thus far with any accuracy with the bass line. I would die a happy man to hear it.
If PSG 0 and 1 were mixed to be a little louder and you got just those 2 channels + DAC and Channel 1, It'd be a really awesome simplistic "Big Arms" mix
I feel like in the 3ds remix of this theme they did the exact same thing deconstructed everything and just remix every channel and put it back together
2:22 When you Doomguy, but gotta go fast.
Doom speedrun time
I never thought about how complex the bass line is on this song. It really gives it a lot of character.
Probably my favorite bass line in any classic Sonic game.
It's totally giving me DOOM vibes.
As a producer I've always known sonic 3 and knuckles ost was advanced especially when you fathom all the individual riffs and layers
@@GimmeTOKYO I'd say more like urgency vibes but the that low square riff that starts the song (solos at around 1:39) and goes over the top of the bass later is definitely a bleek/doom vibe
Truth is, you usually don't notice this when Eggman is trying to kill you with a giant robot that has a laser cannon.
4:16 Gives off a "Come on, you can do it!!" vibe.
Like a special continue music for the final boss
Entirely intentional I feel. That's meant to be the one triumphant spot in the other oppressive and dominating song, that basically screams, "this fight is 90 percent in the bag for Eggman...but there IS a chance"
It does!
1:47 Sonic 3 for the Atari
2 or 4 psg nothing else just psg 0 1 2 and 3
@@Kdot_jr psg 0, psg 1,psg 2 and psg 3 is 4 PSG channels. You can't you just call everybody dumb here,buddy.
Sega master system would make more sense
@@jonahabenhaim1223 Or the SG-1000
or the game gear
2:22 Big Arms Phase 2
More like 3:45
Assuming Phase 2 is chasing Eggman while using the Big Arms.
@@Silkunii that's phase 3
Technically you’re all wrong, because the boss you are referencing isn’t Big Arms. It’s Great Eggman Robo
@@faded9581 I think it's more important that everyone gets the joke, but thank you.
god that bass is so STANKY i LOVE IT
after reading this comment, every time I hear the bass in this song, I always associate it with your profile picture
It smells like shit
@@Dimensionalize the bass smells worse than shit
....🤢💎
*Épico*
2:10 was pretty epic not gonna lie
2:22 The things that tie it all together.
All this epicness for a boss called "Big Arm"
And Death egg robot mk II
And Knuckles' first fight with Mecha Sonic.
@@DADA-yt1ptthis was originally made for big arm
@@MisterChief711I don’t think the music team knew what their boss music would be used for.
They were probably told to make something epic for the final encounter and this is the result
okay but this was still originally made for big arms. @@nemesis021
2:10 was pretty neat, never knew that was there. Imagine an 8-bit of this with that part in it.
Tails 64 It’s the part that almost every remix overemphasizes.
And is this bad thing?
VERY true!
No its not.
Yes it is
0:58 When you are alone in a dark room.
AHHHHHHHHHHH
BIIIIIIIIII
1:40 is more like that 0:58 is when you're running from the ghost in the dark room
Alarm noises
4:20 and then you hear laughing
" Was 3:46 that good? "
" *Always has been* "
Its actually really cool seeing the seperate parts of the song because I think certain sections drown out others, its really interesting to see them seperated and then come all together. I think channel 0 really over powers PSG 1 too much.
I mean, channel 0 is the main melody and psg 1 is just one of the backing tracks of the song.
@@bluerious5475 Yeah but the moment channel 0 starts playing, you almost can't hear PSG 1 at all, which doesn't really happen with other tracks (that I remember). In other songs from the sonic games, you can always tell every sound apart from each other.
@@pabloinz382 I can still hear it clearly if I focus on it, maybe it depends on how sound is rendered on your device.
@@pabloinz382 yeah it's a bit too loud but i think it's becauae psg channels are meant to be just in the back
It did already sound really great to me without channel 0 and 4, yeah!
5:41, god, what a finale to end such an epic game
I know I thought I was the only one who favourited that part
2:22 Sounds like we got drop-kicked into Doom.
You’re right it does sound like we got dropkicked into doom
I love how PSG0, Channel 1 and the DAC make up the basis of the song but the other channels add so much dynamic to the track.
I absolutely love when the song starts to reconstruct. That's almost my favorite part of these videos. Because it's like the song is ramping back up to be intense. I honestly get chills haha. But I am a huge sucker for all of this music and it all ...scratches a very nostalgic itch inside me.
Maaaan gets me every time when that bass and percussion drops. It's like a pinch mode, Robotnik is trying to take Sonic down with the ship.
sounds like the type of music to play when some guy in a phobos base is shooting up demons then dies to go to hell and kill more demons
5:10 phase 1\2 the boss
2:21 phase 3- pieces of the rocket fall from it and you have to dodge them
3:46 phase 4- the rocket falls and you have to escape it
0:58 transition between phases 1 and 2
This is basically what Michael and his team had to do in order to have different tracks for multiple acts. Just cut and rehash the same part of the previous parts. It was the result of rushed Time constraints.
@Chandler Burnett you are right he only did the songs with a "go", a "hoo" or the knuckles theme
my headcanon for this is that sonic is in a modified doomsday zone as super sonic chasing a rocket rather than the egg mobile, and then when the rocket is destroyed he has to dodge the pieces for ~30 seconds, and after that he gets sucked into the rocket and has to escape with a kill wall of debris constantly pursuing him as he platforms over parts of the rocket, between them, and extra obstacles before the rocket explodes and leaves the master emerald safe for collection
My headcanon:
The true final fight against Big Arm, only for those who got all the Emeralds.
Phase 1: The normal Big Arm fight, taking 4 hits to move on to phase 2
Phase 2: A pinch mode of sorts. Big Arm moves faster, and goes to the bottom of the screen more often. Another 4 hits is required to move on to phase 3
Phase 3: Instead of the Death Egg falling off of the platform, pieces of the rockets sending the Death Egg to space begin to crumble off. Dodge them for 30sec-1min to move on to phase 4
Phase 4: Pieces of the rockets continue to fall, but now at double speed. Now pieces of the Death Egg are starting to fall off, too. Dodge it for 1min to complete the boss and beat the game.
This theme fits the ending of Sonic 3 PERFECTLY. After you take out Robotnik's bowling ball thing and pillar of doom, you think you've finished the game, but then the sky goes dark and this music starts playing... And then Big Arms comes in and destroys you. It sounds so epic, like Sonic is in a losing battle but comes back from the brink of death to finish the job.
This is a great Christmas Gift!
3:33 Channel 1 kinda sounds like the chorus to What I'm Made Of from Sonic Heros!
Tryin' to reach inside of me
Tryin' to take my energy
Let me show you just
What I'm Made Of
@Silk.mp3hi
It actually does. Wouldn’t be surprised if that was intended XD
2:30 when doom music kick in be like :
Hearing it like this in parts, then all together really gives the feel behind each instrument used. Its amazing. And now i really feel the "End of the world" vibe this song gives off for sure. Also probably because I am a little bit older too now, lol!
2:22 That was my favorite part!
0:00 The chords sound a little weird but I guess it’s fine.
2:22 Everyone be gettin’ them DOOM vibes.
5:11 EVERYBODY NOW!
The chords are wierd becouse they sound happy?
Always fun to watch these. You can somewhat get an idea on how theses were made!
*these* . No such word as "theses". 😆
@@jayskicksnfits9372 Yes there is. It's the plural of "thesis".
2:00 goes hard no matter what.
ah yes
the song that plays when you fight giant robotic sphere with upper body parts
2:10 its a part of "What I'm made of" song choir
3:04 S&K3 - At Doom'sday Gate
My boy eggman running away with a master green emerald while the whole death egg falls apart
3:30 FUCK THIS SOUNDS SO GOOD
3:40 THAT BEAT DROP THOUGHHH
FIREEEa
I always knew that the bass hit good in the final boss theme, but I never knew it hit *THAT* good!
2:22 when you select the NIGHTMARE! difficulty
3:46, I wish the boss theme had just been this, but the full version is still great!
It’s almost like a pinch
Its Phase 3
Sonic.exe
@@KingOfPkXdGameplaysEAnimacao uhhh no?
its so satisfying towards the end of that section
Just the deconstruction alone makes for great final boss music, as the slow build up, eventual use of more flare, and soon the true grand finale.
Well said.
Absolutely
0:36 can't just stop replaying that part
Interesting that channel 0 (the melody track) is almost painfully shrill on its own.
But when mixed with all the harmony, the "shrilly" parts gets drowned out (or "smoothed" out?) by the other tracks, so it isn't that bad in the full thing.
3:18
Yoshiaki Kashima 😑🎹🔥
2:21 doom theme?
It sounds similar, but read the title, Sonic 3 Final Boss
RIP AND TEAR
FantasyBeats672 r/WOOOOOOOSH
@@FrankyThaiHouse bruh
3:45 Karaoke version
3:02 I like it when it has Channel 1, DAC, PSG 0 AND PSG 1. It builds up to the full theme.
2:22 I can imagine a cutscene were after the ending shows sonic looks at eggman flying away with flying battery and death egg as he retreats.
0:00 Intro
0:15 Tenor Clef
0:57 Treble Clef
1:40 PSG Clef
2:21 Bass Clef with Drums
3:03 Bass Clef, PSG Clef, and drums
3:45 Bass Clef, PSG Clef, Tenor Clef, and drums
4:28 Bass Clef, PSG Clef, Tenor Clef, Treble Clef, and drums
5:10 Conclusion
The best gift I could've gotten from you for Christmas
Happy Holidays carpathia808 and fellow random people!
This song gives me so many memories from when I was younger, Playing this game on Xbox 360. Never could beat it as a 3-7 year old lol
Way to make me feel old... I remember my first time beating it when I was ~10, on a Genesis in the mid '90s.
Was it the Barrel of Doom that stopped you?
@@nthgth Yep.
@@TheRealLastDragon12 that bugger. Me too, until my older cousin told me how to get past it.
@@nthgth I accidentally figured it out when i was randomly pressing keys lol
@@TheRealLastDragon12 well you're cleverer than I was lol. I think I just jumped on it repeatedly for an hour and then shut it off in frustration
I like how the music's bass and samples get more and more added in. ❤
I know nothing about music production, but it seems like these sonic games got more out of the genesis than any other. Some of these sub channels sound like your average genesis game, but all together sounds a real tune!
2:52 when you are super sonic and he grabs you.
Easily my favorite boss theme I've ever heard.
I never heard those PSG tracks when I played for the first time... Epic
me before hearing this: (just hears regular stuff normal people would hear)
me after hearing this: I HEAR EVERYTHING
EVERY GODDAMN NOTE
EVERY GODDAMN CHANNEL
EVERY BEAT
More complexity in twenty year old 8-bit music than most current music. They used four devices to create a masterpiece, you got thousands on your phone. If Mozart had a smartphone music would've died a long time ago.
i like the trumpets at 0:50!
Tangent wave to square.
0:59 Channel 0 is feeling some complex emotions there, buddy
Edit: it looks like that thing on old ACs lol
Merry Christmas carpathia808!
And a Happy New Year.
The most intense and complex final boss theme I could ask for from a Sonic game.
from any game in general**
@@bowlognese1405 So true, though ASGORE from Undertale and the Freedom Planet Final Boss tracks make good cases too.
@The Diego Bowler Channel! oh yeah, and Hopes and Dreams, too, ha ha!
I like how PSG 0 and PSG 1 give you a joy vibe or you can do it vibe. This is why it encourages me whenever I listen to this.
this is an extra gift: my favorite music in the entire game beside launch base. THX a lot
all that THX reminds me of now is that one commercial with the loud sound
beeeeeeeeeeEeEEEEAAAAAOOOOOOOWWWWWWWW
0:01 Ch2, Ch3 starts off the intro
0:57 Ch0
1:44 PSG0, PSG1
2:21 Ch1, DAC
3:09 PSG0, PSG1, Ch1, DAC
3:46 Ch2, Ch3, PSG0, PSG1, Ch1, DAC
5:10 everything
What's your favourite part? Mine: 4:16
2:10
Why am I getting Sweet Mountain vibes from this
Aaahhh god, SO love PSG 1 in this theme!
I really like 0:00 and the echo filter on 0:57
They use the term (delay)
Lava reef act 1 from the newly discovered prototype sounds a bit off, and I wanna know why.
Such a shame too, cause I like how the DAC is a lot louder in the prototype compared to the final.
It uses Angel Island's bass guitar instrument and lacks those guitar-like instruments before the loop. Ironically, they were used in the prototype Angel Island as well, but were removed in the final.
@@SilverSonic1992 That, and how the DAC actually seems to overpower the other instruments. Thanks!
I’m guessing some of it was the Angel Island bass guitar and not being processed directly through a Sega Genesis sound system
@@omniscientbarebones The answer is literally right there, right there! Just above your reply! It's the instrumentation and the poor mixing. Nothing to do with DAC processing.
@@Nimta yes i know
4:20 best part
3:46
Can we get a full version of that pls? :>
Some genesis emulators let you turn off the individual sound channels. So if you want to hear that version in-game, just turn off channels 0 and 4.
Winamp with the in_vgm.dll plugin will let you do this. In the 'muting' tab you'll be able to see the different channels and a check box next to them to mute them. YM2616 for most of the Genesis sound, and you'll have to go to the SN76496 for the 8-bit sounding channels (PSG 0, 1)
Phase 3 is like Eggman attacking with missiles While using Big Arms
Foobar1000 can grant that wish
cirrusretro can allow you to do this. Disabling FM1 and FM5 accomplishes this
It’s a masterpiece 2:22
So many covers of this song, even the famous Cash Cash + Jun Senoue version from Sonic Generations, don't get channels 2 and 3 right. They usually simplify it into basic power chords.
3:46
If you thought PSG with Bass and Drums was intense, wait till you listen to this…
The bass and drum sound like original doom.
Merry Christmas and thanks for this beautiful present. My gift to you. A like. But that beautiful, big boi stank bass. Fantabulous
3:46 Sonic 2 Extended Act 2 and 3 Boss
PSG 0 and PSG 1 could be their own music
Yes
5:10
1:40 why are the PSGs always so good?
*D O O M*
I would so love to hear someone do this entire thing in rock version...don't get me wrong, though. I'm WELL aware there are rock versions of this. But none have I heard thus far with any accuracy with the bass line. I would die a happy man to hear it.
Look up toxicxeternity he does an amazing cover
2:22 Holy kickass bass & percussion!
how does one make music like this? i know it took many composers but wow this music is ahead of its time
even tho its 16 bit and sounds pixel asf
You don't know the true capacity of genesis...
AYEE LETS GOOO
Malicious fingers
3:46
taking out the main melody + echo is easily the best choice for a "final form" trope
1:40
2:21
3:04
3:46
4:28
5:10
I never noticed that bass until now. DAMN.
2:22 *doomguy has entered the chat*
The music only reminds me that I'm on my last life. Then it turns into a reminder eggman is falling
2:22 Me when i held in my fart in class for 4 hours and now ive been prepared to fart in style
S2 Animations 😂
I actually don't really like sonic generations big arms music because that doesn't have 2:10
Because today's soundtracks are beyond just square waves.
I tried to find that section in the generations version, too bad isn't there
They made that into its own section.
2:21 Is it just me or does this sound like something from Doom?
Imagine that. Doom for Genesis.
There exists a doom Genesis 32x version but The sound quality in it is terrible.
I love the psg 0 and 1 so cute
lil guys kinda serious
Emerald Hill Zone for Oscilloscope? Also maybe Super Metroid music for the future?
2:10 listen to this on a different rhythm. Did you find the reference?
What I'm Made Of from Sonic Heroes.
2:22
Thy Chili Dog consumed
Love the bass on this song. And the part where square waves play on top of two channels.
Love the PSGs in this one
DAC and channel 1 is literally the best part about this vid.
If PSG 0 and 1 were mixed to be a little louder and you got just those 2 channels + DAC and Channel 1, It'd be a really awesome simplistic "Big Arms" mix
this is so fire
I feel like in the 3ds remix of this theme they did the exact same thing deconstructed everything and just remix every channel and put it back together
The fact that they used this track a second time for Sonic 3&K just shows how fucking bad ass this song was to them.
Channels 2 and 3 are seriously funky¹, I'm addicted to this theme
¹Channel 1 is even funkier