"De-mixing" Sonic Generations 3DS' Big Arm to run on Sega Genesis
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- Опубліковано 5 лют 2025
- Download links to the mp3, a looped version of the mp3, the midi file I created for the 3DS version, and the midi file for this demix: 1drv.ms/f/c/04...
Jun Senoue's version of Big Arm in the 3DS version of Sonic Generations is legendary, and I think most would consider a true successor to the original (same goes for his version of Casino Night!). If you haven't listened to it, you can find it here: • Big Arm
I was curious what it would sound like had it been created back in 1994 and used as the final boss theme, with the same restrictions on sound chip hardware. Unfortunately, no midi file existed so I had to create one from scratch. Thankfully, @deannkosi2079 had already transcribed the lead instrument on his channel, and I was able to enter the notes as the sheet music scrolled by. If not for that starting point, I can't say I would have made this - I am absolutely terrible at pitch detection and music transcription. Thankfully, there's tools these days for the pitch-inclined such as myself.
I used www.lalal.ai/ to split Senoue's version into as many stems as possible, so make it easier to look at the frequency spectrum to determine which note was playing. Then used Audacity with its EQ and spectrum analysis. I had to really EQ the stuff with some steep slopes to carve out the noise, but I think it turned out pretty well. I am sure there are a few wrong notes in the harmony as I could cleanly separate them out, so if you want to take a stab at fixing it please do - the midi file is linked above.
To recreate the Genesis' sounds, I used the Genny vst (www.wonthelp.i.... I imported Sonic 3's version of Big Arm from vgmrips.net/ into Genny, which let me use the same instrument parameters the devs used for the original version. I used ValleyBell's (github.com/Val...) vgm2mid tool to create a midi from the original Big Arm as a starting place, as the first part of the remix is the same (with only slight alterations).
Then throw in a bunch of work and experimentation and this is the result! It's certainly not expected to 'replace' the 3DS version or anything, but it was a curiosity of mine.
www.vgmusic.com is currently not accepting midi file uploads as they work on some backend stuff, so if they ever come up I'll upload the 3DS midi file there.
A very great demake of the 3DS's remake of this theme, but now all I can think of is... "If Jun can extend and expand a Classic Sonic song to a near 3 minute song before it loops, and it's for a Classic Sonic boss fight... what the hell happened with Superstars's boss themes???"
time constraints
And wrong resources
And also cash cash did the remix
And like origins they're too lazy to make an update fixing the music
he literally can’t do anything without a guitar
Imagine if they had composed THIS back in 1994 for the official game release lmao. Excellent job!
The Sonic community needs more Genesis covers of modern Sonic Music
Do we ? Making retro console covers is pretty overrated in my opinion
@@panwasacz2733It sounds so good though
its the same song bro
@@panwasacz2733 Yeah. Most of the world doesn't share your opinion. XD
@@megamix5403 I know, just wanted to express my opinion, I know that Im not the majority .
1:41 the moment my jaw proceeded to hit the floor. I have never listened to the Generations version before today, and then hearing this was a blast
SEGA doesn’t fuck around with the music 99% of the time.
Changing the lead instruments for the second chorus actually makes sense, cause that's what happened in the Generations version. The first chorus was done by Jun Senoue on lead guitar, and the second one was Alex Makhlouf doing a keyboard solo.
Alex actually did the Generations version by himself originally, and you can hear his version in older demos of the 3DS version. Jun heard Alex's version and wanted to contribute to it, and the final version was what we got from that.
Ah neat, didn't know that.
I was going to say that the version of the Generations soundtrack I have said this was by Cash Cash and not Jun, so seeing Jun is on guitar on that makes sense.
I feel like this would've fit for the Sonic and Knuckles Final Boss considering it lasts for a while so it would've made the stakes feel higher.
But the thing is that the boss can be beaten easily before the boss ends
But yeah
I don't know why but this boss horrifies me. Imagine a massive robot trying to crush you alone in space
Don't forget about the ancient relic being used as a battery to fire an instant death lazer at you
Not to mention running on the exterior of a super space weapon capable of brutal destruction
On top of all of that,you have to destroy the egghead in his vehicle while trying to escape from his own planet cuz the ground is shaking
The second movie basically makes the threat real-but on Earth.
It doesn't stop there, because then you have to chase said egghead through an asteroid field in space.
As far as I know the Generations 3DS remix of Big Arm Theme is an exclusive work of Cash Cash, not Jun Senoue. For those who don't know, they made "Reach for the Stars" for the Sonic Colors, as well as several other Remixes in Sonic Generations, and not just 3DS - for instance, Escape from the City remix in Generations is also their work.
Jun Senoue is a great musician, but let's give proper credit where it's due. ))
I'm not trying to make a dig at Cash Cash or anything. It's just that Big Arm was released as part of Jun Senoue's album The Works II, so I attributed it to him.
@@Sengin31 If I had to guess why that's the case, then that's probably because Jun is hired full-time in the official capacity as the Sound Producer within Sonic Team, and since the joint collab with CC was treated as outsourcing while the Sonic Team retains all the rights to all of the materials and content produced for the franchise, then it's no wonder that CC cannot OFFICIALLY attribute the track to themselves - strictly speaking, is was never their Intellectual Property to begin with. Problem is, they could have been at least credited in the album in any form, but to my knowledge they weren't. All this while there exists an official interview with both Senoue and CC where they speak about who did what in specific games.
@@MaskedLongplayer Guy got "Joey Kuras'd"
Finally, a genesis remix that actually sounds like it would fit in an actual game
listening to this and there was such a indescribable feeling I felt when i got to 1:40,
incredible
Yeah, that's where it really kicks off - it's my favorite part of the whole thing.
I felt like I was *Actually* fighting the robot when 1:40 came in.
Same
I've always preferred 2:44, personally.
I'm happy that the UA-cam algorithm showed me content from a quality content channel which deserves way more attention!
Same
True
Yep. Unlike a childish club we are seeing right now...(YTK) also, the K Stands For...K I D S
I like to think this was the original version that Senoue had in mind, but because of the limited resources of Sonic 3K, the original version was incomplete.
Except the 3DS arrangement was done by Cash Cash, so no.
@@MastaGambit Senoue was part of that remix tho, it wasn't made by cash cash alone lmao
@@riqopowpow He composed the original song, s'about it. Unless the official album credits are lying to me??????
@@MastaGambitProbably cash cash composed it and the music stuff was done by Senoue
@@MastaGambitactually the original song wasn't composed by him, it's unknown who did what in S3 since there were a shitton of composers working on it, but of what we know, Senoue only said that he had done the completed act theme, the "NO WAY" theme and some of the bonus stages (debatably he also did Balloon Park), Big Arms wasn't done by him though
Multiple people have done this but this sounds more authentic. Good on you.
Really? I did a search but couldn't find any - I wouldn't have done this if I had found someone had already done it!
@@Sengin31 There were a couple on SoundCloud, not sure what happened to them.
@@Sengin31Time Fox Animation did one 3 years ago.
But I agree, I like this one more.
The gameplay hurts my soul
The music calms my ears
lol gotta pad out the runtime somehow...
Honestly exactly how I imagined this song would run on a Genesis
love that grungy bass throughout this track!
FM synthesis can do some GREAT bass
Sonic Generations 3DS "Big Arm" demix?
More Like Sonic 3&K - Final Boss Extended Mix!
you made this _scarily_ accurate to the genesis, down to the channel limitations!
-Wished I knew how to transcribe now f-
This sounds like the actual Genesis version wtf
It's like An alternate version of this song where it's more epic
That was my intention! Glad it came out that way.
@@Sengin31 you did an amazing work, I like How intense the song is.
Imagine getting beaten by a hedgehog with ZERO. RINGS.
sounds a bit more clean in this remix, well done!
now i need a sonic 3 air mod for this.
A few people have said they would!
I can't link it directly, but if you can use an Base64 decoder you should be able to use this: aHR0cHM6Ly9nYW1lYmFuYW5hLmNvbS9zb3VuZHMvNzIwNDQ=
Super good job and interesting explanations. And it's nice that the footage from S+K's final boss is long enough to be able to hear more than just like 10 seconds of it lol.
Absolutely perfect. Sounds just like the real hardware.
Jesus christ this was a good track to listen to to start the year in its Genesis glory
Thanks bro, happy new year!
Could we get an extended version one day?
@@TheInfiniteLegend What do you mean by extended? Like, just looped? Check the description for a download link to the looped version! Though if there's enough people who just want a youtube link I can do that too.
oh I forgot about that @@Sengin31
thanks for this amazing demix anyway
I love it, it sounds like it belongs there too. Love it ❤️
1:33 THE EPIC PART BEGINS
This is god damn incredible I hope you're proud of this because you should be! Any modder out there wanna put this in sonic origins?
I would love to see this demake treatment for the OverClocked Remix version of the tune, entitled "Malicious Fingers", from the Sonic 3 & Knuckles remix album: Project Chaos, as that was the go-to remix for the Big Arm boss before Generations existed.
Unless you can get SnappleMan to share out the midi, I don't expect it to happen :(. Or you are real good at transcription...
@@Sengin31 Sadly I have little experience with transcription, though I did make some very basic midi pieces of music in my mid-teens for school coursework. I'd be amazed if anyone sucessfully reaches out to SnappleMan for any music files to make it possible.
Algorithm recommended me this and I'm SO glad it did, I've wanted to hear this for the longest time!! Amazing work! 🎸
I love the authenticity put into this!
oh my god this is so good dude. great choice of instruments, using fbz's instruments was real smart that zone got some SLAMMERS!!
Great remix! It's also really cool and interesting to read about the process making it!
You took one of the most important moments in my childhood and expanded upon it.
Thank you, from the bottom of my heart, thank you.
Okay, this demix is absolutely incredible! Seriously, it takes talent to make a rearrangement this good. Outstanding work here!
Pretty sure you are giving me too much credit, as I did not need to arrange much, if anything. But thanks!
That gameplay is killing me with anxiety.
Great remix btw, really good job
Hah, yeah had to do something pad out the runtime or the boss dies before the end of the song...
It infuriates me to know top notch content like this doesn't get the recognition it deserves by the UA-cam algorithm.
I hope one day someone can find the lost Doomsday Zone remix that was originally planned for 3DS Generations. As far as I’m aware the only thing we have was a short clip of Big Arm from Generations and a bit of the music is heard.
It feels like an addition personally. I love this. Seriously I do. Very well done.
Holy shit I've waited so long for something like this, THANK YOU
I've been waiting for someone to do this for a long time
Thanks a million for the download link. (Not sure why the download wasn't working the first time I accessed it.)
A demix of one of my favorite remixes of all time of one of my favorite final boss themes of all time, nice.
One year…!
Still goes hard!
2:32 man that final note just hits different, even compared to the original remix
I’ve wanted to hear what this awesome remix would sound like on the Genesis for years now. Sounds just as good as I imagined it would! Thanks for this!
I cant wait for a Sonic Origins decomp to see what people do with the game without the limitations of the Mega Genny.
Sonic 3 air is what people can do with the game without the genesis
@rafaelhines1178 If I understand correctly though it's still simulates the original hardware where needed.
This remix is honestly incredible, great job! I hope you do more of these in the future, because demixed versions of Sonic ost are goated!
Happy New Year!
Thank you, UA-cam Recommendation for recommending me this at the very start of 2024!
Didn't expect that the video was launched on my birthday! The perfect birthday gift thx :D. Also, i personally maked a mod of S3AIR wich replaces the final boss music, to the extended 9 min file you putted on the download section of the MIDI. I turned it into a ogg archive, i replaced and modify the music codes, i activated the mod, fixed some errors, and PRESTO. Finished. Also, like i said *ITS A PERSONAL WORK* Wich means, i am the only one who has the custom mod. So probably i'll make it public soon. It depends of how i do it :)
Sounds perfect! Definity should make this for a mod.
Omg the song literally jumpscared me when it changed, this is actually so cool
Thank you for the absolutely BRILLIANT work here. And I greatly appreciate your breakdown of the song throughout the video. Fantastic job on this! 🙌
One of my favorite versions of this one on one of my favorite pieces of hardware? This is incredible! Tysm for making this
Reminder: That This Genesis Mix Of The Big Arms Theme From Sonic Generations 3Ds Actually Was Used In SONIC: New Beginning / Sonic.EXE Re-Take By NotsoDevyJolt!
I mean more notably it was used in the old version of Nightmare Beginning by Jaizkoys.
This is so good! You are very underrated after putting in so much effort, keep it up!
No but like genuinely you deserve way more credit on this you really know ur stuff
I love it, this theme is one of my favourite boss themes in sonic as a whole
By the way, this demix is _awesome._ It does sound just like Jun. 😊 You did an excellent job putting all this together, and I also appreciate the notes you left in the video; it taught me a lot!
And also, your 0-ring playthrough of this triple-final boss was _disturbingly_ chill...every time I ever played this part I rushed like it was the apocalypse! 😂
the way this was made is wonderfully fascinating just like the end result. good job
Awesome Job ! The music fit perfect in genesis
This sounds amazing! Super well done and adding this to my list of music to come back to
This is kinda quality I'd expect on siivagunner. Great job
I like how the 3 main music sections line to those 3 boss phases.
If this version were in the original release of Sonic the Hedgehog 03, this track is one that I feel would definitely deserve the Dancing Mad/F~Zero 099 Main Menu treatment: Music that seamlessly transitions into the next segment is something that we have witnessed both on the Megadrive and Super Famicom that I feel that this will possibly be the easiest way to listen to the later portions of Big Arm's theme without having to let the fight go on for the full 0207 Seconds of the track; what I mean by this is that when Doomsday Act II ("Death Egg III") recognizes that Kyodai Eggman Robo is in its Second Phase (Master Emerald Laser) and Escape Phase (Robotnik Carrying the Master Emerald), the music transitions into playing only the later and final verses to further increase the impact that the fight is delivering, we have witnessed this in a few ROM hacks with other bosses in a way that is not a Pinch Mode and it'll be nice to witness that treatment delivered here because of how it would improve the overall quality of the battle and still deliver the intended mood, wishfully this'll influence other modders to deliver similar for future projects and it'll be interesting to witness how the SMPS and GEMS Driver handle this for longer tracks that can exceed north of Ten Minutes in their complete form. (:
this needs more attention dude this is awesome
This is so good! Not only you did the cover, you also offer explanations on what you did and how you achieved it!
You do so good! :D
The process you take here is interesting. Nice work.
This demix better than both original versions for me. Truly a banger
its so hard to unhear this when im listening to the sonic 3 final boss theme, this is legit how it should have been
So... just looking up the "Big Arms" track just to listen to it, and I come across this. Curious, I have a look because actually getting that incredible piece to sound like it was done on Genesis sounds intriguing.
...I was not ready for what I wound up with. And I say this in the best way possible.
I'm also very impressed by the knowledge required to even pull this off. The results really do speak for itself.
Man the depth in this probably takes up a LOT of space on a cart. Worth the trade off though as this is really good!
THIS IS WHAT I LIKE TO SEE FANTASTIC JOB MATE
This is so good!
This is not a de-mix, it’s one of the greatest final boss themes ever remembering its heritage. 🤘😆
Such an unique take on Big Arms, luv it!
You're a legend my man
Love that this remix matches the sound of Sonic 3 and sounds like something that would actually come from the console.
Thanks a million for choosing our service! We're here because of awesome users like you. 🌈
Very nice!
All that’s missing is the flourish before the loop which plays in the prototype’s soundtrack and the PC version, but this is overall the definitive Big Arms for me
I wish more music projects like this one had commentary like this one.
Thanks! I think the reason is because, as I'm finding out, a lot of people don't even notice there's commentary (or at least don't read it).
Time to gaslight people into believing these extra parts were in the original song
Oh no, it would be TERRIBLE for that to happen...
if this was a thing on the original hardware it might've honestly been the best song in the entire genesis library
awesome work!
@ 2:45 hmm 🤔 ok ok. 🎵
@ 3:07 😎 Aaaayyyeee 🎶
this is awesome man
Mind if I can use this to make an enhanced sound font version of this cover?
Sure, that's fine with me - just credit the video. But if I may ask... why? I didn't create any new instruments for this - all are from existing S3&K stages. Unless I'm misunderstanding what you mean?
@@Sengin31 I mean the Midi file.
@@actiongamemaster8082 Oh! Yeah, that's why I released it - feel free to use it.
A demake of a remake of a theme that appears in the game that the demake pulls from.
My head hurts, but this is still a banger!
really cool de-mix, but i wasn't expecting it to be uploaded by the special ingredients guy
lol I know right
This is really cool
YOU ARE A GENIUS!
we now have the defenitive version of big arms
I always felt the Big Arms boss in Generations 3DS was too short, great demand btw
How did Sonic sink into the DER's fingers? He should be bouncing on it.
Don't know for sure, but a guess is that sonic's hitbox overlapped both fingers on the same frame. The game only lets you hit one object per frame, and there's a delay before you can hit another object. By the time he's able to hit something else, his momentum plus that given by bouncing off the first finger, has him inside the hitbox of the second finger too close to the ground to bounce off of so he just stands up.
Oh is it like how S&K handles the monitors?
My main wonder is why he ain’t doing the classic spindash trick
@@british35 Check the text near the beginning - I had to REALLY stretch out this boss to make it last all 3 and a half minutes...
Ridicoulously good job!
My favorite 3ds sonic generations track in the original game it came from
Great remix!
Now if there was one of these for Malicious Fingers (Big Arm OC Remix), my life would be complete
Thank you algorithm, this is SICK
amazingly done!
This is sick!!