Praise Jeebus! I was anxiously awaiting to see where you put the Nova as that is the one that has intrigued me most with features and looks. Thank you so much for this video! I was waiting for someone to do a full line review of the 870-E and you nailed it!
Thank you for these videos, I think you are the best youtuber so far to explain the motherboards. Btw, omg I just saw you placed the NOVA S+! I wanted to buy that exact board! I didn't know it was that good and nobody has reviewed it so far.
Nice catch of the 6L PCB on the Aorus Pro. It was on my short list, but now it made my shortlist even shorter by being taken off of it. ASRock really seems to have checked as many boxes as they can with both the Taichi and Nova for the price. They are on my list as well. Great video! Thank you!
@@ouraskc6137 I have a b650e-e and I'm having microcode issues with my mobo. Bios resets whenever I unplug the psu from the wall. No it's not bios battery issue as well since I changed it three times with new batteries(also checked the voltages of the batteries with a DMM and all are fine). Also time and date doesn't reset or change, only the bios settings. CMOS reset didn't fix it as well. It's not a cpu and ram issue as well since I torture tested it for HOURS and all are stable. Haven't had any blue screen or crashes either. Just that single annoying issue. Honestly I'm tempted to get the nova too or probably the msi tomahawk but that board design is not that good for me.
Just purchased the MSI Carbon. Not too worried about the $50 price difference since I plan on using it for several years. The overall features and bios is worth the price in my book!
one thing you didn't take into consideration with the gigabytw boards. If you want a white board there is absolutely ZERO competition the pro ice and the elite ice are in a league of their own with the white connectors . I'd have loved to go an s tier board but my pc is a white build. All the other boards are not even worth considering.
If they made the NOVA in White (currently building a PC - searching for motherboards) then I would be 100% buying it! I would have absolutely ZEERO problems paying for the dreaded 'White Component Tariff" either. In today's age it's unheard of to find a board of these features to be sold at this price. Digital Post Code, thick azz back plate (having one at all, even!), the Audio, Power Delivery etc.
@@doorsbhbesides the Taichi Carrera there is no other top end board that is white. And even then it's a panda. For white boards there's nothing that touches Gigabyte which is sad considering features :(
I got the x870E Hero as well because of the missing post code display and nitropath of the ProArt. 5 GbE will have to do. I also have the 9950X, so the same CPU and MB as you. I got 4x48gb Ram (G.Skill 6400) running at 5200 MT/s (VDDSOC 1.25 V, UCLK DIV1 MODE 1:1), but no luck going higher than that. I don't know enough about impedances and timing controls to get anywhere with those (Processor ODT etc). It would be great if you could do a guide on that (for 192gb RAM), not necessarily to reach the magic 6000, but just to get a little bit further, like 5400 or 5600. You mentioned that just copying your numbers doesn't necessarily work, so a guide on what one might try, how to approach it, would be great.
yeah, that memory speed compromise is holding me (so far) from upgrading, considering even to go with 96 because of that and probably upgrade again next gen, hopefully they will sort these things out
Why didn’t you get the X670E Hero then? I’m pretty sure it would have been cheaper and the only thing that’s lacking is Wifi7. The X870E chipset is copy-paste X670E with mandatory Wifi7 and USB4 (the latter which the older Hero already had)
@@kerotomas1 @kerotomas1 The X670E only has one 2.5 GbE port, so it was never a candidate for me. NitroPath was an argument for the X870E Hero over the ProArt. Plus the code display and possible improvements in memory traces.
@@Elricky124 How can scaplers sell it for much more than MSRP when you can just by the Taichi Lite for $399? Who would pay more than that for the NOVA?
The only thing that annoys me is the comparison to Asus x870e Motherboards. I can't really see x870e-e and the Pro Art together in the same tier because Pro Art has more Problems than as seen. First: Pro Art suffers heavly to using never the middle PCIe slot because of big two dual slots graphics cards sufficating each other by not able to breath enough AIR and you aren't able to install a dual chasis Aio PUMP for the dual graphics cards, except you run CPU Air cooling (stupid choise if somone wants more cooling). Second: Pro Art suffers of not having a Asynchronous E-Clock like the x870e-e and the x870e Hero. Third: Charching with any USB device it runs more porly than the other two. Fourth: Lacks postcode severe as the only x870e . Fith: It has the minimum Powerstages design like the Gigabyte 6 layer PCB of x870e (If a CPU from AMD wants more wattage or most likely performence in the next generations, it can make issues in the future, espacially very high overclocking. Sixth: To expensive for being a $450-$520 motherboard in this competiton. The only Advantage that the Pro Art has is Dual Ehernet and one 10G Ethernet PCIe sharing and fan hubs almost the same with the x870e-e. I'm yepping because Asus missed the point of a Pro Art again or otherwise said you failed because you don't wanna improve consumer lives in this leading segments and name shemes.
Yeah, and as stated in the video I kind of want the ProArt in B tier because of no post code. But I think the motherboard is supposed to use blower style GPUs based on the PCIE slot spacing. Being $479 with no post code is kind of a fail in my mind but it's the only motherboard with DP In and does provide 10g for far less money compared to the Godlike.
I view this MB differently. Overclocking is going against the productivity focus of this MB, which is my primary desire. Stability and 10GB ethernet. win me over. I have the x670e version of this MB.
Hey man love your knowledge and videos! What kind of ram can i use that i can max out for the rog 870e hero? Like ddr5 6400 4×48 gb? Or is that even usable? Any recommendations?
192gb of DDR5 is possible but not at high speeds. 4800 will work. 5200 and 5600 also might work. I'm currently testing 192gb at 5600 on the X870E Taichi but will be testing possibly 6000 in the future. In general aim for a Hynix M-die based kit that has either 5600 or 6000 as the EXPO profile.
@@yuan.pingchen3056 You’re confusing producers with listeners. It doesn’t have the nicer DAC or AMP the Taichi boards have, so sound quality through high-impedance headphones will be thinner and less clean. I have an old Z390 Taichi board with premium audio and it sounds way better than my old mini PC with basic audio.
I'm so glad I went with the Asrock X870e NOVA Wifi, I feel like it's the best bang for the buck and Asrock has always had good customer service and quality parts
Hi, I’m sorry to bother you but you seem extremely knowledgeable. I’m trying to figure out which mobo to get for my white build. I have a 7800x3d and am stuck between Asus x870a Rog strix or the x870 aorus elite… haven’t found any other options that are all white. I’m wanting to use two gen 4 m.2 ssds while not having the pcie lanes to the gpu used at all. I want to be future proofed for 50 series. Any help is very appreciated. Have a blessed day.
I don’t like the fact that Gigabyte has cheapened out and downgraded every single PCB from 8-layers to 6-layers with the only exception being the crazy expensive Master meanwhile the dirt cheap B650 Aorus Elite AX ( not the V2 refresh) is 8 layer
ProArt to B, LOL - is for creators, those people whom actually use the rig for years without touching it, why would it have a 9 segment post code? It has 4 LEDs if something goes wrong. It also has 10Gbit LAN which the CROSSHAIR does not offer... for $150 more 🤣 The CROSSHAIR also shares lanes with the PCIEX16(G5)_1 On CROSSHAIR and ProArt TPCIEX16(G5)_1he m.2_2 shares lanes with the PCIEX16(G5)_1 because it is PCIe 5 While the other boards usually offer only one PCIe 5 Did you even look up the stuff? Also, lanes-haring is a boon - it gives you options. And if you don't like it, blame AMD for it...
ASUS options are mostly garbage at $700 and only 2 PCIe slots and NO 10G NIC? Excellent reviews, thank you. And why so many M.2 slots?? I buy ONE 4TB M.2 and 10G to NAS, that's the majority of folks that will be paying $500 or more for a motherboard. I can't find the MSI X870E godlike anywhere, not even listed on MSI website (US)?
They provide you with garbage to prevent your motherboard from being used for too long, but because they provide garbage motherboard options, you will not choose the garbage motherboard they provide, well. . This is a dilemma
@@yuan.pingchen3056 Oddly, I’ve been having failures with ASUS, MSI, and Gigabyte boards within past 2 years … prior to that decades without any Motherboard failures. It’s like post COVID quality control at these companies had taken a dive bomb … no wonder ASUS are trying to skip out of RMA with such high failure rates.
Aaaaaand, interestingly enough, the ASRock 870E Nova is NOT listed for $350 on Amazon. They have it listed there for almost $500. Newegg still shows $350 though. lol
Interestingly, you consider an 8-layer board as "better" than a 6-layer board. As a PCB designer, I can rather safely tell you that a properly designed board uses as few layers as possible. If I have to go to an 8-layer board and somebody else can do it on 6-layers that is a better PCB designer than me. But if the manufacturer states that they use extra layers to improve thermal conditions or to add extra ground plane layers then it is a different matter. But in >99% of the cases, extra layers are used to make the design work easier (read that as faster, or possible to complete at all) not to improve functionality. The cost penalty for adding two extra layers at that size of the board in the volumes they are produced is less than 5 USD per board. So with such low extra cost, even if it adds up in the volumes, if they actually would gain anything, they would use 8-layer board. Also to be noted, an 8-layer board has a lower MTBF number than a 6-layer board. So 8-layer boards will fail more, compared to 6-layer boards. Well, I just received my ASUS ROG X870E Crosshair Hero today with a 9950X, 4*32GB RAM DDR5 6000MHz, and a 4TB SSD it will be just fine (even if it is an 8-layer board)...
@@kjelllindberg6987 I’m doing a new build that sounds almost exactly like yours. The two things I’m still trying to figure out are RAM and storage: - Everywhere I read, they say to stick with the proven and stable 6000 speeds and that you should always only use 2x sticks of RAM instead of 4x. Some custom PC builder websites disable being able to select anything above 64GB RAM… where 96GB (48x2) and 192GB (48x4) are grayed out. This has all led me to believe that the most optimal RAM selection for x870e hero + 9950x is a set of DDR5 64GB RAM (2x32), and to choose maximum MT/s as long as such a selection doesn’t sacrifice ending up with higher CL (staying in the CL30-32 range). - And with this board, it feels like I’m selling it short if I’m not taking advantage of PCIe 5.0 for the m.2 drive. I would prefer a 4TB-8TB option, but the max for Firecuda 540 is still only 2TB, while the Crucial T700 and Corsair MP700Pro do have 4TB options (the Corsair seemingly stupidly overpriced)… and lastly, I also have the newest Crucial T705 staring at my wallet (for the same high price as the Corsair MP700Pro), but offering a whopping 14,100/12,600. If you don’t mind, I’m SUPER interested in what you went for, for your RAM and storage, and what your thought process was 🙏
@mrvvoo 4×32GB Corsair vengence RGB 6000MT/s 30-36-36-74 1.40V. I was thinking about dual 48GB modules for 96GB but that would have higher cost and less performance... 128GB should be sufficient for two to three years at least. Nocturnal NH-D15 G2 LBC and Carbonaut carbon thermal pad. Regarding storage I will use a Samsung PCI-e 4.0 990 Pro 2TB that I purchased for a different project. When Samsung put a gen 5.0 PCI-e device on the market at minimum 4TB I will upgrade. A dual port 10Gbit Intel NIC (so not using any LAN or WiFi ports on the MB). A Lian Li V3000 plus case. No hard drives, they are in a Synology 8 bay NAS of 60TB usable storage with two hot spares+2×1TB NVME cache SSD's and a dual 10Gbit adaptor.
@kjelllindberg6987 Hi, I’m sorry to bother you but you seem extremely knowledgeable. I’m trying to figure out which mobo to get for my white build. I have a 7800x3d and am stuck between Asus x870a Rog strix or the x870 aorus elite… haven’t found any other options that are all white. I’m wanting to use two gen 4 m.2 ssds while not having the pcie lanes to the gpu used at all. I want to be future proofed for 50 series. Any help is very appreciated. Have a blessed day.
I sure wish the Taichi could run the lower slot without lane sharing. I don't even need it right now, but I would want the flexibility to plug something in down the road. Meanwhile, I know I can get by with 3 m.2 slots and 4 is easily all I need. I'd take the Taichi for look and feel alone, if it offered that flexibility. But I suppose if Arrow Lake doesn't beat out 9800X3D, I'll be looking for a Nova, like everyone else watching this channel.
The Taichi's bottom slot is an x8 that pulls 8 lanes from the top slot in order to run so it does share the GPU lanes. However, none of the M.2. slots share lanes with the GPU.
@@GameTechReviews Yes, that's what I'm saying. I edited to say "wish" because autocorrect chose a different word for me and confused my meaning. I like the flexibility that the lower slot could run any device that I might want in the future, but I don't like that it would require sharing the GPU's lanes. Considering that the Nova could run an x1 sound card and a new network card without any sacrifices is realistically all I would ever want. But who knows? Then again, most things could be made to run on USB, too.
Just get the Asrock Nova, I'm going to be using it for my new gaming rig that I'm building, Just waiting for the 9800x3d processor and RTX 5090 to release
@@misael4096 not that i know just use a different Motherboard or maybe in the bios but i dont think so i will the taichi in the next month or so just ask in some months than i know for certain
First time hearing about the Nova and yes, sold out everywhere. GODLIKE the $1200 board (new one will probably cost more) a S 😅 they are wrong for that price, even the old one is still at $1200.
For how much money people are spending nowadays for motherboards I think Lane sharing is a thing for me I wouldn't want to have in 16 Lanes for the GPU so I'm kind of looking at either ASRock but I was always into ASUS or even MSI.
You are only thinking about m.2 lane sharing. The Taichi and others share lanes with the second pcil. So, if you use it, it with cut the gpu to x8. The Carbon has a dedicated x4 pcie that does not affect the gpu. Something to think about if that is a use case for you.
I have watched several different videos and still can't decide what board is best for me 75% Gaming / 25% 3D Modeling 9950x3D 128gb ddr5 6000mt RTX4090 & RTX5090 (dual cards) 3x 4k60 (Sim rig - 5090) 3x 4k60 (Desktop - 4090) 4tb Gen 5 M.2
Interesting. Another aspect of the Asus ProArt X870-E has 2 x USB-4 ; 7 type A USB 3 3.2 x 2 ports - 1 USB 3 3.2 X2 C Port that's in addition to every-thig else you said about it. Thank's for the very detailed and in depth review.
@@XX-ku7dn Actually, coming back to this, I see you specified that price is not a consideration. With that in mind, the Hero offers many more features. The thing that keeps me from considering the Tiachi is no dedicated x4 pcie, which would not take lanes from the GPU. That is why I would get the Carbon over the Taichi for $50 more. But, that is my use case. You may have no need for an x4 or may not even use the second PCIE slot; in that case I'd save the $50 and go with the Taichi. It's great that most of these boards are so good this gen that it comes down to (in many cases) use case and price.
@@RKBenchmarker I'd like the MPG Carbon if it were not for the lack of ECC memory support. Also, limiting the second PCIe 5.0 slot to x4 regardless of how many Gen 5 M.2 drives you use feels like a cost saving measure. It certainly makes the lane switching topology simpler (and therefore cheaper) than boards that run the second slot at x8 or x4 depending on the number of M.2 drives and limits the uses for a second PCIe 5.0 slot. If you were planning on running two GPUs you'd ideally want the option to run them at x8/x8. I would have preferred if the Taichi used a WiFi 7 module that supports 320MHz channel widths (e.g. the QCNCM865 or MT7927) instead of one limited to 160MHz (MT7925) but I don't personally care enough about WiFi on a desktop board for it to be a deal breaker. It can always be upgraded down the line anyway. Lack of a PCIe 4.0 x4 slot is a little frustrating but you could always use an M.2 to PCIe slot adapter to reclaim one of the M.2 slots as an x4 slot instead, especially if your case has an extra slot position below the motherboard.
I wish there were more all white options. I ended up going with the Gigabyte because it’s the only white option for x870e. Looks beautiful but lacks many features 😢
Crucial Pro RAM 96GB Kit (2x48GB) DDR5 5600MHz (or 5200MHz or 4800MHz) Desktop Memory CP2K48G56C46U5 What do you think of this one? But i will need to buy this twice so about $450
I like the Nova but who needs 5 M.2s? I actually like the Taichi Lite for it's LACK of RGB (subjective) and you didn't mention the 5gig ethernet or the lack of a backplate. It really comes down to user needs and preferences when you compare a lot of these, like i just dont care about quick release because I don't change parts out enough.
Unfortunately the NOVA is limited to 1 SATA RAID array 0/1 (2 Drives) the AsMedia on 3/4 do not support Raid per Asrock, they said The Taichi has an AMD controller for 6 ports and does support RAID 0/1/10 for SSD SATA III arrays. (up to 6 drives). not a big deal if you are getting the NOVA strictly for NVME and not care for much for SATA III performance or RAID capability (AsMedia is slower controller vs the AMD one)
Question: What is max no. displays (4K @ 60Hz) which can be connected to these X870E boards, to be driven from iGPU on 9900X? I understand all these boards have 1x HDMI and 2x USB 4 (supporting DP over USB). In principle, each USB 4 port could output to two 4K displays @ 60Hz (using an MST USB-C to dual DP adaptor). So I wonder whether it might be possible to drive FOUR, or even FIVE 4K @ 60Hz displays from the iGPU via X870E Mobo? (of course, another limitation is max no 4K @ 60Hz displays supported by 9900X iGPU itself, I heard this might be a max of FOUR, but unconfirmed?) I am planning new build using Ryzen 9900X and an X870E Mobo. Will not be used for gaming, for productivity only. I won’t install a discrete graphics card, will rely only on integrated graphics. I wonder if the answer is the SAME for all these X870E Mobos, or would some of them allow to connect more 4K displays than others?
So....with the 870E Nova, if I put an M.2 drive in all slots, I'm not loosing anything? I'm still trying to wrap my head around all this new "lane sharing" this the 800's are doing here. Planning on installing 405 WD SN850X 2TB drives on my new board, 64GB 6000 Ram, and a XFX 7900 XTX Magnetic Air. Only thing I am holding on is a 9950X3D CPU
That is correct, its not stealing any performance from the graphics cards when running multiple SSD. I just got the Nova myself and I have no regrets, Personally the best motherboard for the price, plus I like the fact that it has so many SSD slots because I don't have to worry about running out of memory space for all my games
@@Edgar-u8v9m If you just want a board that takes a single GPU and one or two M.2 drives, and you don't need any of the specific features that they offer, then any of these motherboards will be perfectly fine. In fact most of them are overkill especially if you don't need USB4 or don't want to overclock the CPU. You could easily get away with a B650 board and spend the money you saved on a better GPU.
@Jared-69x The Taichi doesn't have a dedicated x4 pcie slot. It has an x8 which will make you gpu run at x8 also (instead of x16). The Carbon has a 3rd pcie that is an x4 and doesn't affect the gpu.
Hi there, yes unfortunately if you populate the second slot with most of the MB's except the Nova then you reduce the (slot) 1 x16 (lanes) Bandwidth at 32 GB/s transfer rate to 1 x8 (lanes) Bandwidth at 16GB/s (PCIe 4.0 = 4090) thus halving the data transfer rate from/to your 4090 - check some research on lane sharing between CPU / Chipset as all motherboards have different configurations when it comes to lane sharing - hope that helps 👍
Since these reviews are about the mobo feature set available, and One can't go into every single detail, the Bios differences would be a whole other video, which I would like to see myself as I am familiar with them and have my own preferences. However, I've found that once you learn them, overall they are ok. What bios features do you think stand out from one another? I'll give you a couple of mine if you'd like to know.
@RKBenchmarker Many thanks for your answer and insights. Nova looks very nice/tempting. However, in one of the recent hardware unboxed ideos comparing different X870 boards even Taichi board as the only one had problems with posting with gskill 8200 memory kit with default expo profile. (I much prefer gskill memory kits for their binning and pretty tight timings out of the box) I am worried asrock boards do not go very well with gskill memory kits at higher transfer rates. Also my recent AM4 Gigabyte board Aorus B550 V2 Pro is very impressive with manual ram OC tunning and a lot of bios settings for manual tunning. Are Asrock boards comparable? What about their bios update frequency? It seems the pcb layers number is simply a gimmick adding extra price and nothing in return with real worlds results. I am planning to upgrade to X870E mobo with upcoming Ryzen 9800X3D chip and 5090 gpu from my 4090. Many thanks again for valuable info.
It's funny how subjective you let this be. The Taichi Lite being on a tier beneath the Taichi despite being functionally identical is...well...rather comical. "No RGB"...."No quick release" Good. I don't know who replaces their GPUs daily or weekly. The quick release actually becomes useful at that point, but the number of people reseating/replacing a GPU more than once every two years is very, very small. And no RGB is a feature for many people. Fun tier list, but people should know that it's incredibly subjective.
I will admit now that I just got the new Nova X870e the quick release is a really nice thing to have, I honestly don't regret going with the Nova over the Taichi boards
I will have to say that the Gigabyte Z790 AORUS ELITE X WIFI7 board is a 8 layer 2x copper PCB board that has phenomenal memory overclocking ability. I'm surprised to see that the Gigabyte boards listed here for AMD are only 6 layer.
Im confused does the Taichi share/split the GPU 16x lane when I have m.2. inserted in all the slots??? Im looking for Non sharing motherboard but it seems like all the 870E's do it in one way or another. I am willing to do a $500 motherboard but I honestly am just so confused which one to get so Im not compromising the GPU lanes and not spending over the amount into Xtreme/Hero/Godlike. MB that I thought I wanted was Taichi/Asrock Art/Aorus Master but I have no idea now :( if anyone can elaborate so I dont split lanes with the main GPU that hopefully will be a 5090/5080 24g cause lets be honest 16 gig 5080 can die in a fire if rumor be true.
@@GameTechReviews thanks. The issue I foresee is micro-spiking in temps (for just a few secs) causing fans to ramp up and down over the same interval. The step-up/down speed directly addresses this to stop the micro-ramping effect, but the ‘workaround’ is to only let CPU fans increase when the it gets pretty hot. I think, anyway!
What would the hero have that you need that the Carbon doesn't have? If you need a dedicated x4 pcie that doesn't affect the gpu, the Carbon is the way to go. If you need the Hero's overclocking (OC) features, the Hero.
Right now I have the extremly expensive Crosshair X670E Extreme. Many people (myself included) facing the annoying 0d error when rebooting as soon as Armoury Crate is installed. Unfortunately the miniOLED display and the Matrix LED is complete worthless without Armoury Crate. At the moment I am looking at every single video regarding boards because I just want to have a good looking board without any annyoing issues. I was not aware that the Asrock Nova and Taichi are that good. But what would you guys do? Uninstall ASUS bloatware Armoury Crate and disable the displays or get a new board from a different vendor?
Thinking about selling my X670E Hero just because of that bloatware garbage armoury crate. The MB lighting polymo stuff cannot be controlled without it either. It’s really the worst software ever and i absolutely hate the fact that i’m forced to update every single thing when i open it up. Even my lighing is screwed up until i do so. And it uses way too much system resource to run.
@@kerotomas1 I just wonder if my issues are really board and Armoury crate related. Or if it is an issue with the CPU. What I can tell is that I also had issues with the x670e Taichi and that is what me wants to wait for the next x3d CPUs. So I can try the 9950x3d and replace my 7950x3d if that is working. And if I still see this stupid error…I will probably go back to intel again :/
I'm looking for an E board that actually has 10 Gbit and ECC support, but none of these boards seem to be extreme enough for both.. Only Asrock and Gigabyte supports ECC, so i guess I'll get either the Taichi or the Master as they cost the same here.. Dump an ugly X550 in there and call it a day.. Eh..
Nova is better for the price. On the Master, if you are going to use its 2 bottom x4 pcie slots, then keep it. If not, then get the Nova at a lower price.
At that price, it would be very doubtful. We've just found out that the Strix-E have it available; so that is probably the lowest priced x870e to have it. And quite a good feature board. GTR will be doing a live stream this evening to adjust the tier list based on new info.
@@RKBenchmarker As far as I'm aware the Taichi and Taichi Lite versions also have the ECLK, The master probably also has it so there is a few options for overclockers.
@JimmyChino55 The x870e Tiachi doesn't have dual b-clk unfortunately. Last gen Master had a single b-clk which means the cpu alone can't be overclocked without affecting the ram. Just to clarify for others as well, it's not just having an e-clk, it's if the bios provides 2 b-clks after the e-clk is set to asynchronous. Having 2 b-clks separate the cpu from the other components connected to the pcie lanes. Last gen many m.2s were burned up because of oc'ing a single b-clk, not knowing it was oc'ing the other components as well. I hope this is helpful to someone.
Objective tests put Asrock boards on the last place. Memory speed support is a lot worse than on Asus and Gigabyte's Master board. Stability is also worse on the Asrocks (I had one of the most expensive Asrocks a few years ago and was a very unstable system. I replaced that board with Gigabyte's Master and that one worked like a champ. Asus boards are fine too but their value is not very good compared to Gigabyte or MSI boards. On this new generation the Strix has good features like the new DIMM socket design but the lack of a backplate is disappointing. I bought one anyway because the "nitro" memory path and slots is very important to me. Of course the Hero mdel has the backplate but the price is too much.
@@andr3w1985 Ok so just to confirm; I maintain the PCI-E x16 in 5.0 (GPU) slot, even with using all three NVME slots; and it just disables the secondary PCIE slot? Thanks for the clarification.
@@secretmountainlaboratory That's correct. I don't think I can link to the document in a UA-cam comment but check the block diagram on page 11 of the manual for the X870 Riptide for a more detailed view of how everything connects to the CPU/chipset (although I think they made a small mistake in that diagram as I'm pretty sure the connection from the chipset to the quick switch for the second PCIe slot and third M.2 slot is meant to be Gen 4 x4 instead of Gen 3 x4). But yeah, no matter what you add to the board it never takes lanes away from the first PCIe slot.
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Praise Jeebus! I was anxiously awaiting to see where you put the Nova as that is the one that has intrigued me most with features and looks. Thank you so much for this video! I was waiting for someone to do a full line review of the 870-E and you nailed it!
I am now paying attention to Nova, because of the two of you. Hoping to buy it.
@@FreelancerJessMC it just came back in stock in Newegg and I was able to snag it.
Thank you for these videos, I think you are the best youtuber so far to explain the motherboards.
Btw, omg I just saw you placed the NOVA S+! I wanted to buy that exact board! I didn't know it was that good and nobody has reviewed it so far.
These more technical videos are massively helpful over so many channels that go the simple review route. Good stuff, you earned a sub.
Nice catch of the 6L PCB on the Aorus Pro. It was on my short list, but now it made my shortlist even shorter by being taken off of it. ASRock really seems to have checked as many boxes as they can with both the Taichi and Nova for the price. They are on my list as well. Great video! Thank you!
I've been dying to see this video. I watched the one from last year like a hundred times. You ROCK!
LMAO I'll never buy another Asus board.
I saw the same thing you did with the A to B switching.
Right I just got rid of the ASUS board and switched to the new Asrock X870e Nova Wifi it's a steal for the price
Same😂
I got my X870E strix with free 32gb ddr5 ram and two years of coverage for 560. Should I return it and get the nova instead?
@@ouraskc6137 I have a b650e-e and I'm having microcode issues with my mobo. Bios resets whenever I unplug the psu from the wall. No it's not bios battery issue as well since I changed it three times with new batteries(also checked the voltages of the batteries with a DMM and all are fine). Also time and date doesn't reset or change, only the bios settings. CMOS reset didn't fix it as well. It's not a cpu and ram issue as well since I torture tested it for HOURS and all are stable. Haven't had any blue screen or crashes either. Just that single annoying issue. Honestly I'm tempted to get the nova too or probably the msi tomahawk but that board design is not that good for me.
Anything from ASRock that has "Phantom Gaming" on it is going to be incredible. I feel the same way about my ASRock RX 7900 XTX Phantom Gaming OC.
still inferior than Taichi tho lol
@@naegleriafowleri2230 I’ll keep my x670e Taichi.
was thinking about doing this but u did all the hard work for me, you are the absolute greatest. thank you for ur convenience
Is it so hard to show some names sometimes? I have to go through the video and search for the beginning of each board, to know what I am looking at...
Just purchased the MSI Carbon. Not too worried about the $50 price difference since I plan on using it for several years. The overall features and bios is worth the price in my book!
I also went with carbon.. gonna build with it soon
I'm debating between the carbon and the strix-e, but I'm leaning towards the carbon
one thing you didn't take into consideration with the gigabytw boards. If you want a white board there is absolutely ZERO competition the pro ice and the elite ice are in a league of their own with the white connectors . I'd have loved to go an s tier board but my pc is a white build. All the other boards are not even worth considering.
wow great information, great research.. amazing video dude! Grats
Just like Z790, Nova has proven itself to be the GOAT again 🐐
The Strix X870E-E also has a clock generator which should bump it up a level IMO.
If they made the NOVA in White (currently building a PC - searching for motherboards) then I would be 100% buying it! I would have absolutely ZEERO problems paying for the dreaded 'White Component Tariff" either. In today's age it's unheard of to find a board of these features to be sold at this price. Digital Post Code, thick azz back plate (having one at all, even!), the Audio, Power Delivery etc.
This is one thing I don't like on all manufacturers, they don't have white full pcb options for most of their motherboards.
@@doorsbhbesides the Taichi Carrera there is no other top end board that is white. And even then it's a panda. For white boards there's nothing that touches Gigabyte which is sad considering features :(
I got the x870E Hero as well because of the missing post code display and nitropath of the ProArt. 5 GbE will have to do. I also have the 9950X, so the same CPU and MB as you.
I got 4x48gb Ram (G.Skill 6400) running at 5200 MT/s (VDDSOC 1.25 V, UCLK DIV1 MODE 1:1), but no luck going higher than that. I don't know enough about impedances and timing controls to get anywhere with those (Processor ODT etc). It would be great if you could do a guide on that (for 192gb RAM), not necessarily to reach the magic 6000, but just to get a little bit further, like 5400 or 5600.
You mentioned that just copying your numbers doesn't necessarily work, so a guide on what one might try, how to approach it, would be great.
yeah, that memory speed compromise is holding me (so far) from upgrading, considering even to go with 96 because of that and probably upgrade again next gen, hopefully they will sort these things out
Why didn’t you get the X670E Hero then? I’m pretty sure it would have been cheaper and the only thing that’s lacking is Wifi7. The X870E chipset is copy-paste X670E with mandatory Wifi7 and USB4 (the latter which the older Hero already had)
@@kerotomas1 @kerotomas1 The X670E only has one 2.5 GbE port, so it was never a candidate for me. NitroPath was an argument for the X870E Hero over the ProArt. Plus the code display and possible improvements in memory traces.
Damn the Asrock X870E Nova is a steal!
And it is sold out! The scalpers are already selling it for more on EBay.
OP board.
I was lucky and got one, Awesome motherboard I love all the SSD slots it has and the quick release is so nice to have
@@Elricky124 How can scaplers sell it for much more than MSRP when you can just by the Taichi Lite for $399? Who would pay more than that for the NOVA?
Scalpers gonna do what they do. Very little brain usage
The only thing that annoys me is the comparison to Asus x870e Motherboards.
I can't really see x870e-e and the Pro Art together in the same tier because Pro Art has more Problems than as seen.
First: Pro Art suffers heavly to using never the middle PCIe slot because of big two dual slots graphics cards sufficating each other by not able to breath enough AIR and you aren't able to install a dual chasis Aio PUMP for the dual graphics cards, except you run CPU Air cooling (stupid choise if somone wants more cooling).
Second: Pro Art suffers of not having a Asynchronous E-Clock like the x870e-e and the x870e Hero.
Third: Charching with any USB device it runs more porly than the other two.
Fourth: Lacks postcode severe as the only x870e .
Fith: It has the minimum Powerstages design like the Gigabyte 6 layer PCB of x870e (If a CPU from AMD wants more wattage or most likely performence in the next generations, it can make issues in the future, espacially very high overclocking.
Sixth: To expensive for being a $450-$520 motherboard in this competiton.
The only Advantage that the Pro Art has is Dual Ehernet and one 10G Ethernet
PCIe sharing and fan hubs almost the same with the x870e-e.
I'm yepping because Asus missed the point of a Pro Art again or otherwise said you failed because you don't wanna improve consumer lives in this leading segments and name shemes.
Yeah, and as stated in the video I kind of want the ProArt in B tier because of no post code. But I think the motherboard is supposed to use blower style GPUs based on the PCIE slot spacing. Being $479 with no post code is kind of a fail in my mind but it's the only motherboard with DP In and does provide 10g for far less money compared to the Godlike.
I view this MB differently. Overclocking is going against the productivity focus of this MB, which is my primary desire. Stability and 10GB ethernet. win me over. I have the x670e version of this MB.
I was interested in the Nova Wifi, but I ended up ordering the Taichi Lite because I liked the fact that it didn't have rgb. Go Asrock!
I was already planning on getting the Nova, thanks for making my choice even more confident!
Hey man love your knowledge and videos! What kind of ram can i use that i can max out for the rog 870e hero?
Like ddr5 6400 4×48 gb? Or is that even usable? Any recommendations?
192gb of DDR5 is possible but not at high speeds. 4800 will work. 5200 and 5600 also might work. I'm currently testing 192gb at 5600 on the X870E Taichi but will be testing possibly 6000 in the future. In general aim for a Hynix M-die based kit that has either 5600 or 6000 as the EXPO profile.
@@GameTechReviews the corsair dominator titanium 2x48 6600 so that won't work right or it's overkill?
The Nova has basically no premium audio, though. You would have to spend for a sound card which would wipe out a good chunk of its value.
@@yuan.pingchen3056 You’re confusing producers with listeners. It doesn’t have the nicer DAC or AMP the Taichi boards have, so sound quality through high-impedance headphones will be thinner and less clean. I have an old Z390 Taichi board with premium audio and it sounds way better than my old mini PC with basic audio.
the soundcard same with taichi isn't it?
@@RiantoEffendi The Taichi has more premium components and named parts like the DAC and amplifier. The Nova is just default.
@@Aurummorituri HMM,
no heat pipe?
no bclk?
what else difference vs taichi?
@@RiantoEffendi Taichi has more/better phases, the premium audio, and of course better RGB for 100% more performance. 🫡
I'm so glad I went with the Asrock X870e NOVA Wifi, I feel like it's the best bang for the buck and Asrock has always had good customer service and quality parts
Thank you for this list. Subscribed for the Z890 tier list 😂
Hi, I’m sorry to bother you but you seem extremely knowledgeable. I’m trying to figure out which mobo to get for my white build. I have a 7800x3d and am stuck between Asus x870a Rog strix or the x870 aorus elite… haven’t found any other options that are all white. I’m wanting to use two gen 4 m.2 ssds while not having the pcie lanes to the gpu used at all. I want to be future proofed for 50 series. Any help is very appreciated. Have a blessed day.
Are 96GB RAM dual channel modules coming out with 8400MHz or even more in 2025?
I love the Steel Legend X670E motherboard; but, that Nova board has me reconsidering my motherboard choice for my next AM5 build.
I don’t like the fact that Gigabyte has cheapened out and downgraded every single PCB from 8-layers to 6-layers with the only exception being the crazy expensive Master meanwhile the dirt cheap B650 Aorus Elite AX ( not the V2 refresh) is 8 layer
Sucks that there is really only 1 option for an all white build lol will there be a similar video for just X870?
ProArt to B, LOL - is for creators, those people whom actually use the rig for years without touching it, why would it have a 9 segment post code?
It has 4 LEDs if something goes wrong.
It also has 10Gbit LAN which the CROSSHAIR does not offer... for $150 more 🤣
The CROSSHAIR also shares lanes with the PCIEX16(G5)_1
On CROSSHAIR and ProArt TPCIEX16(G5)_1he m.2_2 shares lanes with the PCIEX16(G5)_1 because it is PCIe 5
While the other boards usually offer only one PCIe 5
Did you even look up the stuff?
Also, lanes-haring is a boon - it gives you options.
And if you don't like it, blame AMD for it...
Just curious about the ranking website you are using. Do you have a link to share?
ASUS options are mostly garbage at $700 and only 2 PCIe slots and NO 10G NIC? Excellent reviews, thank you. And why so many M.2 slots?? I buy ONE 4TB M.2 and 10G to NAS, that's the majority of folks that will be paying $500 or more for a motherboard. I can't find the MSI X870E godlike anywhere, not even listed on MSI website (US)?
They provide you with garbage to prevent your motherboard from being used for too long, but because they provide garbage motherboard options, you will not choose the garbage motherboard they provide, well. . This is a dilemma
@@yuan.pingchen3056 Oddly, I’ve been having failures with ASUS, MSI, and Gigabyte boards within past 2 years … prior to that decades without any Motherboard failures. It’s like post COVID quality control at these companies had taken a dive bomb … no wonder ASUS are trying to skip out of RMA with such high failure rates.
Aaaaaand, interestingly enough, the ASRock 870E Nova is NOT listed for $350 on Amazon. They have it listed there for almost $500. Newegg still shows $350 though. lol
The slimsas port is not just or adding an SSD you can also add an PCIE Gen 4 X4 slot to the X870E Hero
Asrock X870E Nova is such a great value.
Yep I was lucky and got my hands on one
Nice video. Is there anywhere a definition of each tier? Who officially defines the specifications for each tier?
Interestingly, you consider an 8-layer board as "better" than a 6-layer board. As a PCB designer, I can rather safely tell you that a properly designed board uses as few layers as possible. If I have to go to an 8-layer board and somebody else can do it on 6-layers that is a better PCB designer than me.
But if the manufacturer states that they use extra layers to improve thermal conditions or to add extra ground plane layers then it is a different matter. But in >99% of the cases, extra layers are used to make the design work easier (read that as faster, or possible to complete at all) not to improve functionality. The cost penalty for adding two extra layers at that size of the board in the volumes they are produced is less than 5 USD per board. So with such low extra cost, even if it adds up in the volumes, if they actually would gain anything, they would use 8-layer board. Also to be noted, an 8-layer board has a lower MTBF number than a 6-layer board. So 8-layer boards will fail more, compared to 6-layer boards.
Well, I just received my ASUS ROG X870E Crosshair Hero today with a 9950X, 4*32GB RAM DDR5 6000MHz, and a 4TB SSD it will be just fine (even if it is an 8-layer board)...
What about the 10 layer board?
@@The3nd18710 layer board, 12, 14, 16 layer board are even more expensive and have worse MTBF.
@@kjelllindberg6987 I’m doing a new build that sounds almost exactly like yours. The two things I’m still trying to figure out are RAM and storage:
- Everywhere I read, they say to stick with the proven and stable 6000 speeds and that you should always only use 2x sticks of RAM instead of 4x. Some custom PC builder websites disable being able to select anything above 64GB RAM… where 96GB (48x2) and 192GB (48x4) are grayed out. This has all led me to believe that the most optimal RAM selection for x870e hero + 9950x is a set of DDR5 64GB RAM (2x32), and to choose maximum MT/s as long as such a selection doesn’t sacrifice ending up with higher CL (staying in the CL30-32 range).
- And with this board, it feels like I’m selling it short if I’m not taking advantage of PCIe 5.0 for the m.2 drive. I would prefer a 4TB-8TB option, but the max for Firecuda 540 is still only 2TB, while the Crucial T700 and Corsair MP700Pro do have 4TB options (the Corsair seemingly stupidly overpriced)… and lastly, I also have the newest Crucial T705 staring at my wallet (for the same high price as the Corsair MP700Pro), but offering a whopping 14,100/12,600.
If you don’t mind, I’m SUPER interested in what you went for, for your RAM and storage, and what your thought process was 🙏
@mrvvoo 4×32GB Corsair vengence RGB 6000MT/s 30-36-36-74 1.40V. I was thinking about dual 48GB modules for 96GB but that would have higher cost and less performance... 128GB should be sufficient for two to three years at least. Nocturnal NH-D15 G2 LBC and Carbonaut carbon thermal pad. Regarding storage I will use a Samsung PCI-e 4.0 990 Pro 2TB that I purchased for a different project. When Samsung put a gen 5.0 PCI-e device on the market at minimum 4TB I will upgrade. A dual port 10Gbit Intel NIC (so not using any LAN or WiFi ports on the MB). A Lian Li V3000 plus case. No hard drives, they are in a Synology 8 bay NAS of 60TB usable storage with two hot spares+2×1TB NVME cache SSD's and a dual 10Gbit adaptor.
@kjelllindberg6987 Hi, I’m sorry to bother you but you seem extremely knowledgeable. I’m trying to figure out which mobo to get for my white build. I have a 7800x3d and am stuck between Asus x870a Rog strix or the x870 aorus elite… haven’t found any other options that are all white. I’m wanting to use two gen 4 m.2 ssds while not having the pcie lanes to the gpu used at all. I want to be future proofed for 50 series. Any help is very appreciated. Have a blessed day.
This is a great video. most others just babble while they unbox and setup the motherboard.
I got so lucky today and found a Nova at a local store. This thing can't be found anywhere and they raised the price to 500 on Amazon which is insane.
going to have to get the carbon msi - nova sold out everywhere
I sure wish the Taichi could run the lower slot without lane sharing. I don't even need it right now, but I would want the flexibility to plug something in down the road. Meanwhile, I know I can get by with 3 m.2 slots and 4 is easily all I need. I'd take the Taichi for look and feel alone, if it offered that flexibility. But I suppose if Arrow Lake doesn't beat out 9800X3D, I'll be looking for a Nova, like everyone else watching this channel.
The Taichi's bottom slot is an x8 that pulls 8 lanes from the top slot in order to run so it does share the GPU lanes. However, none of the M.2. slots share lanes with the GPU.
@@GameTechReviews Yes, that's what I'm saying. I edited to say "wish" because autocorrect chose a different word for me and confused my meaning. I like the flexibility that the lower slot could run any device that I might want in the future, but I don't like that it would require sharing the GPU's lanes.
Considering that the Nova could run an x1 sound card and a new network card without any sacrifices is realistically all I would ever want. But who knows? Then again, most things could be made to run on USB, too.
You have to move up to a Threadripper to get pcie x16 slots that don't share with each other
Just get the Asrock Nova, I'm going to be using it for my new gaming rig that I'm building, Just waiting for the 9800x3d processor and RTX 5090 to release
@@TroyRossberg Unless the 5090 is over $2k, I think we're going to wind up with matching specs..
SUBSCRIBED! for the Taichi or Taichi Lite.. if i use the bottom pcie slot.. does that bump down my GPU to x8?
yes
@@Jin-Li is tghere any way i can make use of second pcie slot without loosing x16 on GPU?
@@misael4096 not that i know just use a different Motherboard or maybe in the bios but i dont think so i will the taichi in the next month or so just ask in some months than i know for certain
Excellent tier list. I would look forward to one on x870 non-E if you made one as well.
That video will be coming in the near future.
Wow I appreciate the time and knowledge you put into this!
First time hearing about the Nova and yes, sold out everywhere. GODLIKE the $1200 board (new one will probably cost more) a S 😅 they are wrong for that price, even the old one is still at $1200.
For how much money people are spending nowadays for motherboards I think Lane sharing is a thing for me I wouldn't want to have in 16 Lanes for the GPU so I'm kind of looking at either ASRock but I was always into ASUS or even MSI.
You are only thinking about m.2 lane sharing. The Taichi and others share lanes with the second pcil. So, if you use it, it with cut the gpu to x8. The Carbon has a dedicated x4 pcie that does not affect the gpu. Something to think about if that is a use case for you.
Coming from an ASUS I have no regrets with the New X870e Nova wifi. I'm honestly glad I went with the Asrock choice
I have watched several different videos and still can't decide what board is best for me
75% Gaming / 25% 3D Modeling
9950x3D
128gb ddr5 6000mt
RTX4090 & RTX5090 (dual cards)
3x 4k60 (Sim rig - 5090)
3x 4k60 (Desktop - 4090)
4tb Gen 5 M.2
Interesting. Another aspect of the Asus ProArt X870-E has 2 x USB-4 ; 7 type A USB 3 3.2 x 2 ports - 1 USB 3 3.2 X2 C Port that's in addition to every-thig else you said about it. Thank's for the very detailed and in depth review.
All of them have 2x USB4 as that's standard on all X870E boards.
Besides price between the asus hero and asrock taichi, which one would you recommend?
If you are going to do some moderate to hardcore overclocking, the hero. If not, the TaiChi, but I would recommend the Carbon over the TaiChi even.
@@RKBenchmarker why the carbon?
@@XX-ku7dn Actually, coming back to this, I see you specified that price is not a consideration. With that in mind, the Hero offers many more features. The thing that keeps me from considering the Tiachi is no dedicated x4 pcie, which would not take lanes from the GPU. That is why I would get the Carbon over the Taichi for $50 more. But, that is my use case. You may have no need for an x4 or may not even use the second PCIE slot; in that case I'd save the $50 and go with the Taichi. It's great that most of these boards are so good this gen that it comes down to (in many cases) use case and price.
@@RKBenchmarker I'd like the MPG Carbon if it were not for the lack of ECC memory support. Also, limiting the second PCIe 5.0 slot to x4 regardless of how many Gen 5 M.2 drives you use feels like a cost saving measure. It certainly makes the lane switching topology simpler (and therefore cheaper) than boards that run the second slot at x8 or x4 depending on the number of M.2 drives and limits the uses for a second PCIe 5.0 slot. If you were planning on running two GPUs you'd ideally want the option to run them at x8/x8.
I would have preferred if the Taichi used a WiFi 7 module that supports 320MHz channel widths (e.g. the QCNCM865 or MT7927) instead of one limited to 160MHz (MT7925) but I don't personally care enough about WiFi on a desktop board for it to be a deal breaker. It can always be upgraded down the line anyway. Lack of a PCIe 4.0 x4 slot is a little frustrating but you could always use an M.2 to PCIe slot adapter to reclaim one of the M.2 slots as an x4 slot instead, especially if your case has an extra slot position below the motherboard.
@andr3w1985 it has a pcie2 x8, but also provides a dedicated pcie3 x4
I wish there were more all white options. I ended up going with the Gigabyte because it’s the only white option for x870e. Looks beautiful but lacks many features 😢
Crucial Pro RAM 96GB Kit (2x48GB) DDR5 5600MHz (or 5200MHz or 4800MHz) Desktop Memory CP2K48G56C46U5
What do you think of this one? But i will need to buy this twice so about $450
Perfect on time!
The Nova went sold out already 😅
i found x870e nova no heat pipe, is it matter than the other?
MSI MEG X870E Godlike is so expensive, but it's so attempting to buy one for my next PC build.
Since the NOVA is sold out do you recommend Taichi, I don't want to share lanes with GPU
It's available to purchase again
I like the Nova but who needs 5 M.2s? I actually like the Taichi Lite for it's LACK of RGB (subjective) and you didn't mention the 5gig ethernet or the lack of a backplate. It really comes down to user needs and preferences when you compare a lot of these, like i just dont care about quick release because I don't change parts out enough.
Where would you rank the MSI x870 Tomahawk?
That video is upcoming
I’m torn between Asrock Nova or the NZXT.. help…
Unfortunately the NOVA is limited to 1 SATA RAID array 0/1 (2 Drives) the AsMedia on 3/4 do not support Raid per Asrock, they said The Taichi has an AMD controller for 6 ports and does support RAID 0/1/10 for SSD SATA III arrays. (up to 6 drives). not a big deal if you are getting the NOVA strictly for NVME and not care for much for SATA III performance or RAID capability (AsMedia is slower controller vs the AMD one)
@Game Tech Reviews Can you use a sound card without sharing GPU lanes aswell in the below slots on the taichi and nova? In either the x2 or x1 slots?
Asrock Nova sold out !
Question: What is max no. displays (4K @ 60Hz) which can be connected to these X870E boards, to be driven from iGPU on 9900X?
I understand all these boards have 1x HDMI and 2x USB 4 (supporting DP over USB). In principle, each USB 4 port could output to two 4K displays @ 60Hz (using an MST USB-C to dual DP adaptor). So I wonder whether it might be possible to drive FOUR, or even FIVE 4K @ 60Hz displays from the iGPU via X870E Mobo?
(of course, another limitation is max no 4K @ 60Hz displays supported by 9900X iGPU itself, I heard this might be a max of FOUR, but unconfirmed?)
I am planning new build using Ryzen 9900X and an X870E Mobo. Will not be used for gaming, for productivity only. I won’t install a discrete graphics card, will rely only on integrated graphics.
I wonder if the answer is the SAME for all these X870E Mobos, or would some of them allow to connect more 4K displays than others?
Each USB4 port supports 2 monitors via daisychain. The monitors used must support daisychaining if wanting to drive more than one.
So....with the 870E Nova, if I put an M.2 drive in all slots, I'm not loosing anything? I'm still trying to wrap my head around all this new "lane sharing" this the 800's are doing here. Planning on installing 405 WD SN850X 2TB drives on my new board, 64GB 6000 Ram, and a XFX 7900 XTX Magnetic Air.
Only thing I am holding on is a 9950X3D CPU
That is correct, its not stealing any performance from the graphics cards when running multiple SSD. I just got the Nova myself and I have no regrets, Personally the best motherboard for the price, plus I like the fact that it has so many SSD slots because I don't have to worry about running out of memory space for all my games
@@TroyRossberg Well then....I had been almost 100% locking in on the Taichi. But now....
To me, those motherboard are a at best "A" since i have fallen in love with u.2/u.3. I would rather have pcie slots.
Nova is impressive at the price but I would rather have an x4 Gen 4 or 5 slot than a 5th M.2.
So is the x870e aorus master good for gaming, or should I go with the nova
I agree. And I would go with the Carbon for that reason.
@@Edgar-u8v9m If you just want a board that takes a single GPU and one or two M.2 drives, and you don't need any of the specific features that they offer, then any of these motherboards will be perfectly fine. In fact most of them are overkill especially if you don't need USB4 or don't want to overclock the CPU. You could easily get away with a B650 board and spend the money you saved on a better GPU.
Yeah, I need an x4 slot for the pcie capture card.
I've actually ended up ordering the Taichi.
@Jared-69x The Taichi doesn't have a dedicated x4 pcie slot. It has an x8 which will make you gpu run at x8 also (instead of x16). The Carbon has a 3rd pcie that is an x4 and doesn't affect the gpu.
Noob here.. explain the lane sharing please.. is it good? Is bad?
If lanes are shared the steal speed from each other . So if you chuck 4090 and m2 nvme in lane shared they will work at half speed
Hi there, yes unfortunately if you populate the second slot with most of the MB's except the Nova then you reduce the (slot) 1 x16 (lanes) Bandwidth at 32 GB/s transfer rate to 1 x8 (lanes) Bandwidth at 16GB/s (PCIe 4.0 = 4090) thus halving the data transfer rate from/to your 4090 - check some research on lane sharing between CPU / Chipset as all motherboards have different configurations when it comes to lane sharing - hope that helps 👍
You told us there was another S+, and we waited, and waited, and waited…. It never came.
Well you are judging by a lot of useful things however missing the crucial one: Software/Bios support .
Since these reviews are about the mobo feature set available, and One can't go into every single detail, the Bios differences would be a whole other video, which I would like to see myself as I am familiar with them and have my own preferences. However, I've found that once you learn them, overall they are ok. What bios features do you think stand out from one another? I'll give you a couple of mine if you'd like to know.
@RKBenchmarker Many thanks for your answer and insights. Nova looks very nice/tempting. However, in one of the recent hardware unboxed ideos comparing different X870 boards even Taichi board as the only one had problems with posting with gskill 8200 memory kit with default expo profile. (I much prefer gskill memory kits for their binning and pretty tight timings out of the box) I am worried asrock boards do not go very well with gskill memory kits at higher transfer rates. Also my recent AM4 Gigabyte board Aorus B550 V2 Pro is very impressive with manual ram OC tunning and a lot of bios settings for manual tunning. Are Asrock boards comparable? What about their bios update frequency? It seems the pcb layers number is simply a gimmick adding extra price and nothing in return with real worlds results. I am planning to upgrade to X870E mobo with upcoming Ryzen 9800X3D chip and 5090 gpu from my 4090. Many thanks again for valuable info.
It's funny how subjective you let this be. The Taichi Lite being on a tier beneath the Taichi despite being functionally identical is...well...rather comical. "No RGB"...."No quick release"
Good. I don't know who replaces their GPUs daily or weekly. The quick release actually becomes useful at that point, but the number of people reseating/replacing a GPU more than once every two years is very, very small. And no RGB is a feature for many people.
Fun tier list, but people should know that it's incredibly subjective.
I will admit now that I just got the new Nova X870e the quick release is a really nice thing to have, I honestly don't regret going with the Nova over the Taichi boards
@@TroyRossberg Do you change your GPU daily? Weekly? Monthly?
Regards the Aorus Master x870E: will 2 NVME PCI-E 4 drives lane share with the GPU?
The 2nd and 3rd M.2. slots share lanes with the GPU. The 1st and 4th do not.
X870 ranking next?
Nice informations in this video ! Thank you, Subscribed accordingly.
I will have to say that the Gigabyte Z790 AORUS ELITE X WIFI7 board is a 8 layer 2x copper PCB board that has phenomenal memory overclocking ability. I'm surprised to see that the Gigabyte boards listed here for AMD are only 6 layer.
Yup they downgraded the PCB for all their X870 lineup. Kinda scummy. Meanwhile the “last gen” dirt cheap B650 Elite AX V1 is still 8 layer lmao
Bought NOVA 870e today... only issue i saw that they have 8000hz ram problems butt will check when it arrives.....
Im confused does the Taichi share/split the GPU 16x lane when I have m.2. inserted in all the slots??? Im looking for Non sharing motherboard but it seems like all the 870E's do it in one way or another. I am willing to do a $500 motherboard but I honestly am just so confused which one to get so Im not compromising the GPU lanes and not spending over the amount into Xtreme/Hero/Godlike.
MB that I thought I wanted was Taichi/Asrock Art/Aorus Master but I have no idea now :( if anyone can elaborate so I dont split lanes with the main GPU that hopefully will be a 5090/5080 24g cause lets be honest 16 gig 5080 can die in a fire if rumor be true.
None of the ASRock X870E share GPU lanes with any of the M.2 slots on the motherboard. The only other motherboard that is similar is the MSI Godlike.
Definitely would’ve put the TAICHI lite at S tier.
I think I'll stick with my asus rog crosshair hero x670 and upgrade to a 9800x3d in the future.
X870 Taichi all the way!
Does the Taichi have fan speed step up and down? I’m pretty sure it doesn’t where the ASUS does… I find this really annoying.
All of them have auto fan speed adjustment based on temperature.
@@GameTechReviews thanks. The issue I foresee is micro-spiking in temps (for just a few secs) causing fans to ramp up and down over the same interval. The step-up/down speed directly addresses this to stop the micro-ramping effect, but the ‘workaround’ is to only let CPU fans increase when the it gets pretty hot. I think, anyway!
Thank God, I cancelled Aorus and bought Taichi E ATX
I want the MSI Pro as I don't want no gamer affiliation whatsoever on my motherboard.
Thanks for the info
I just grabbed the last Asrock Nova at my local microcenter 😂🎉🎉🎉
How has it been so far?
@@JayP-vh9wc haven't been able to use it, I'm waiting for a R7 9800X3D. I'm on a i9-9900k right now
X870 mobo ranking? 🙏🙏
Where would you put the x870 tomahawk
He will be doing a tier list for the non-E chipset. And, I would personally put that Tomahawk at the top of that list. That board's a good offering.
ASRock nova back in stock at newegg as of 5 mins ago
Can someone help I can't choose. Should I go for the hero or msi carbon? Would be plannimg to use it with 9800x3d or the 9950x3d
What would the hero have that you need that the Carbon doesn't have? If you need a dedicated x4 pcie that doesn't affect the gpu, the Carbon is the way to go. If you need the Hero's overclocking (OC) features, the Hero.
I went for carbon personally
I'm a little lost here. Why do people value more than 1Gbit LAN if top internet connection is 1Gbit?
Google fiber is way more than that lol
Nova is $460 on Amazon, can't find it anywhere for cheap.
On Newegg now for 349
x870e 타이치 노바 사면 된다는 얘기군요... 카본 샀는데 젠장..
The Carbon is great. And also offers a dedicated x4 pcie that doesn't affect the gpu.
Right now I have the extremly expensive Crosshair X670E Extreme.
Many people (myself included) facing the annoying 0d error when rebooting as soon as Armoury Crate is installed.
Unfortunately the miniOLED display and the Matrix LED is complete worthless without Armoury Crate.
At the moment I am looking at every single video regarding boards because I just want to have a good looking board without any annyoing issues.
I was not aware that the Asrock Nova and Taichi are that good.
But what would you guys do? Uninstall ASUS bloatware Armoury Crate and disable the displays or get a new board from a different vendor?
Thinking about selling my X670E Hero just because of that bloatware garbage armoury crate. The MB lighting polymo stuff cannot be controlled without it either. It’s really the worst software ever and i absolutely hate the fact that i’m forced to update every single thing when i open it up. Even my lighing is screwed up until i do so. And it uses way too much system resource to run.
@@kerotomas1 I just wonder if my issues are really board and Armoury crate related.
Or if it is an issue with the CPU.
What I can tell is that I also had issues with the x670e Taichi and that is what me wants to wait for the next x3d CPUs.
So I can try the 9950x3d and replace my 7950x3d if that is working.
And if I still see this stupid error…I will probably go back to intel again :/
I'm looking for an E board that actually has 10 Gbit and ECC support, but none of these boards seem to be extreme enough for both..
Only Asrock and Gigabyte supports ECC, so i guess I'll get either the Taichi or the Master as they cost the same here.. Dump an ugly X550 in there and call it a day.. Eh..
I got the x870e aorus master any good, or should I get instead the nova
Nova is better for the price. On the Master, if you are going to use its 2 bottom x4 pcie slots, then keep it. If not, then get the Nova at a lower price.
They’re pretty good. I usually go gigabyte for motherboards
Does the ASRock X870E Nova Wifi have access to eclk for overclocking X3D cpus?
At that price, it would be very doubtful. We've just found out that the Strix-E have it available; so that is probably the lowest priced x870e to have it. And quite a good feature board. GTR will be doing a live stream this evening to adjust the tier list based on new info.
@@RKBenchmarker As far as I'm aware the Taichi and Taichi Lite versions also have the ECLK, The master probably also has it so there is a few options for overclockers.
@JimmyChino55 The x870e Tiachi doesn't have dual b-clk unfortunately. Last gen Master had a single b-clk which means the cpu alone can't be overclocked without affecting the ram. Just to clarify for others as well, it's not just having an e-clk, it's if the bios provides 2 b-clks after the e-clk is set to asynchronous. Having 2 b-clks separate the cpu from the other components connected to the pcie lanes. Last gen many m.2s were burned up because of oc'ing a single b-clk, not knowing it was oc'ing the other components as well. I hope this is helpful to someone.
@@RKBenchmarker As far as I'm aware both the X670E taichi and even B650E taichi had Async mode so it seems odd if the X870E taichi doesn't.
@@JimmyChino55 Correct, they did. And, it is odd.
Objective tests put Asrock boards on the last place. Memory speed support is a lot worse than on Asus and Gigabyte's Master board. Stability is also worse on the Asrocks (I had one of the most expensive Asrocks a few years ago and was a very unstable system. I replaced that board with Gigabyte's Master and that one worked like a champ. Asus boards are fine too but their value is not very good compared to Gigabyte or MSI boards. On this new generation the Strix has good features like the new DIMM socket design but the lack of a backplate is disappointing. I bought one anyway because the "nitro" memory path and slots is very important to me. Of course the Hero mdel has the backplate but the price is too much.
So did I screw up by getting the ASRock X870 RIPTIDE; does this have lane sharing for the m2 and pci-e for the gpu?
No lane sharing on the PCIe 5.0 x16 slot. Only the second (PCIe 4.0 x4) x16 slot gets disabled and only if you put an M.2 drive in slot M.2_3.
@@andr3w1985 Ok so just to confirm; I maintain the PCI-E x16 in 5.0 (GPU) slot, even with using all three NVME slots; and it just disables the secondary PCIE slot? Thanks for the clarification.
@@secretmountainlaboratory That's correct. I don't think I can link to the document in a UA-cam comment but check the block diagram on page 11 of the manual for the X870 Riptide for a more detailed view of how everything connects to the CPU/chipset (although I think they made a small mistake in that diagram as I'm pretty sure the connection from the chipset to the quick switch for the second PCIe slot and third M.2 slot is meant to be Gen 4 x4 instead of Gen 3 x4). But yeah, no matter what you add to the board it never takes lanes away from the first PCIe slot.
Good hw is worth nothing without driver & customer support 😉
Anything gigabyte or msi should be immediately f tier given their source code got hacked
I think you missed the ROG x870a, the $370 mobo would sell better than ROG x870e
X870 will be covered in a separate video since those are single chipset whereas the X870E is dual chipset.