Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan Spacedock scene FIXED
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan is an amazing film. Not only is it still (by far) the best Star Trek film, it was the most efficient. After the huge cost overruns of the first motion picture it had to be made on almost a TV movie-of-the-week budget. Several effects shots of the Enterprise had to be reused from the first film. Notably the sequence where Kirk and party board the Enterprise from their travel pod. Using almost shot for shot from the 1st motion picture, Kirk’s pod approaches the Enterprise in “Spacedock.” However the Enterpise can clearly be seen in its refit dry dock. The glorious Spacedock Model wouldn’t be built by ILM until the next film, Star Trek III: The Search for Spock. To that end I decided to recomposit the Enterprise into Earth’s Spacedock using rotoscoping and new matte paintings I created for this sequence. First Kirk journeying into Spacedock to meet Spock and his trainee crew for inspection. Then the ship powering up to leave on its fateful mission. While i’m not one to mess with a masterpiece like this film I will say the one area it may improve the film is the character Saavik. When Spock lets her command the ship out of Spacedock it is played for tension. Kirk seems very uneasy at her piloting the ship. In the original cut all the ship has to do is thrust straight forward. Now in this new version there’s a bit more jeopardy if she can successfully navigate out of the huge hanger bay they are docked in. That said there have been a few attempts at this type of sequence made by designers over the years. However none used the original optical shots of the models and relied on lower fidelity home made CG models. The refit Enterprise is one of my favorite models of all time and still looks amazing. I built this very model when I was 10 years old. It was a lot of fun to play with this model again.
I didn’t realize until midway that the space dock wasn’t the original, couldn’t tell what was changed. Good work. To be fair I’m pretty high though.
Thanks. And I found my pinned comment for this video!
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Dude. Star Trek is the best after hi-fidelity hybrids
Being an old time Star Trek fan, and have seen "The Wrath of Khan" several times, ................seeing the old girl make these new moves brought " A tear to me eyes ." YOU DID HER PROUD. great job.😄 fan since 1973.
Thank you. These are the nicest comments I’ve had yet.
I like the fact Saavik took the Enterprise the same way Kirk would have and always did: over the speed limit.
James Horner's Music gave Star Trek it's mojo back and electrified the fans worldwide!
Jerry Goldsmith, Gene Roddenberry and thousands of fans around the Federation disagree 😂. Of course Horner made an amazing job scoring ST II & III, but when you start playing the fanfare composed by Goldsmith we all rise for the official Star Trek anthem 🖖🏻.
@@Diegosinfiltro Yeah; for the Next Generation..Horner solidified Alexander Courage's Connection to the original series by including his score in the opening.
@@Phantanos Still wish they'd asked Horner to do ST VI. Although it was still well scored.
Every time I see "The Big E" amble off into the sunset on impulse power the eye is moist.
Treks never been the same since.
@@Diegosinfiltro Horner's music is perfectly fine. But, Goldsmith's is classic Trek music and classic all-time film score music.
@@trainsplanesmore Star trek 2 and Horner's score resurrected what was left of Star Trek's legacy; after Michael Eisner's meddling with the first movie almost killed it. This was fixed when Robert Wise was given the ability to make his Director's vision of Star Trek The motion picture. What Goldsmith will be remembered for is Giving the Klingon's one bad assed score!
Id love to see the look on that guys face in the lounge when the Enterprise flys by like a bat out of hell. Lol. One thing I can say after all these years the Enterprise is still a beauty.
Hands down the best starship design in the entire franchise. The refit Enterprise doesn't have a bad angle - absolute perfection! 🖖
MAVERICK!!!!!
Not only was this the best ST movie on terms of the storyline and plot, but the music is INCREDIBLE! Especially when the Enterprise sneaks up from below/behind the Reliant. Thank you, James Horner!
One of the greatest soundtracks of ALL time! I recommend this sound track to anybody
I rather liked the score to Battle Beyond the Stars.
But this is...[dramatic pause] *almost* as good.
Stealing the Enterprise in ST3 is my favorite music from ST.
RIP James Horner. I have always loved your journeys.
I was just saying that..!!!!!!!
Thrusters only in space dock! Now I understand that line, it didn't really fit when you are pulling out of basically a metal cage. But here, dang that's like wreckless driving or something. Definitely against regulations.
That's Acosta's fault for doing an exterior sequence that does not match the original plot.
In Kerbal terms, its like docking using only the main engine, no RCS.
Not necessarily, you wouldn't really want the thrust from an engine that can put out .25 light speed in a metal cage either.
Then again that's basically the Enterprise crew in a nutshell;
*"What regulations?"*
@@iainbagnall4825 to be fair, there are a couple Kerbal youtubers that can do fast docking with just the engine, it's bonkers
"Mr Sulu..'Indulge' yourself"......."Aye..Sir..setting course for Palm Springs..with shore leave stops in West Hollywood, Silver Lake, Santa Monica and SD Hillcrest, Sir"
That's perfect. I love how they rushed out of spacedock. After all "regulations state that only thrusters are allowed in spacedock." STVI
That was Kirks revenge Spock for Savik in Spacedock.
Strangely enough, your cut makes better continuity. It flows better.
Didn't even notice that it was much changed from the original, it was that good
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Showing the Enterprise from the lower deck forward side was so beautiful. I am in tears
Seamless and beautiful except for the shot from Star Trek III which put them facing the wrong direction
Love the music in this movie too! Some of the best of any Star Trek movies or shows!
Savik calls for 1/4 impulse power in space dock...that's against regulations.
It is indeed, But, as Kirk would say " Risk is their business". Personally, I can't think of anything more risky (or embarrassing) than hitting the spacedock doors on the way out. Believe thngs like that qualify for the galaxywide Ship Deck Klutz Award.
Nicely done. Seeing the Enterprise in all her glory is a must-see.
Lovely touch up! Great work and well done!!
Somebody give that pilot a ticket! Man that was fast.
Mr. Sulu drive it like you stole it lol
This was absolutely stunning, really nice job
That was a triumphantly, fitting way to begin the best ever Star Trek movie. And the music made it even more memorable. But it would also be one of the last times we’d see this particular Enterprise in such mint condition. It wasn’t long before Khan would batter the smithereens out of it and then in the next movie, it’d be gone forever 😢.
What they did is reused scenes from the first movie. On Wrath of Khan it makes more sense for the Enterprise to be in spacedock, not the drydock.
Precisely
Man, i wish they would make a series about a spacedock like this. With a lot of ships docking, getting repairs or getting prepared for missions.
WOW! This was far more better than the original! Good Job!!
I'll always love that look on Kirk's face at 3:01. "You're letting this CHILD pilot MY baby out of space dock?"
Very nice!
Side by side comparison really made this video. Well done.
Thanks!
That was fun. Thanks
The editing together of all the cadets reactions was a surprisingly good touch there
Thanks!
Good job. I am giving this a thumbs up!
You really hit the musical queue well leaving space dock. It's too bad you could not extend the new footage to match the original score.
I also forgot that the actual "space dock" was still that weird thing that they were parked in in ST2. Amazing work on this! Truly breathing new life into some classics of my all time favorite franchise!
Watching this movie really brings home the extent to which the franchise has been debased recently.
This is actually better than the original since it shows how quickly the ship left the dock and gives good reason for Kirk’s concern about Saavik directing the ship out.
I love the look on Kirk and McCoy's faces when Spock tells Saavik to take over. "Goddamn Vulcan son of a...."
Bones was like “Jim, if this green blooded bitch breaks this ship, by god I’ma beat her ass!”
I enjoyed this very much! Great job!
Thanks for the edit and effects, this makes more sense ( if ever ST decides to re-edit their movies as SW did, this scene should be modified as you did)
One side note, Star Trek has the most beautiful starships but for some reason there is not a single shuttle design I like,
Absolutely amzing! WELLDONE!!!
There are enough comments already about the speed limit in spacedock, so I will simply say…AWESOME! Love this movie and your reimagined sequence. Nicely done! 👍
Thanks Paul!
Since you showed Excelsior I think you were itching to add the lost footage of Kirk mentioning that Sulu will be taking command of Excelsior 😉
Fantastic piece of work
Nicely done - beautiful! 👌🏻
A really nice job of editing and cleaning it up. It was still mostly a re-use of footage from STMP, STTSFS, STTWOK as well as STTVH, STTUC. I wish Nicolas Meyer would have used the budget for newer effects and if they redid the movie using your footage it would improve the visual appearance. I have to say that them opening the main hangar doors of spacedock made me chuckle. I would think they would have smaller entrances for smaller transports etc. or why didn't they just beam up to the ship? If they did that we would lose the reasoning for the beautiful footage you re-used for this cool project and losing those scenes of the Enterprise would have diminished her character.
This was well made. Thank you! 👍🏽
Much better than the original! I always hated that this scene was copied from the motion picture. Well Done.
Yeah hard to go back seeing new footage. Even if it’s amateur new footage
Very well put together!
I love Kirk's response to McCoy's question when Kirk goes to leave engineering for the bridge.
Whoa, Saavik pulled a Valaris outta there, didn't she? :D
You have it the other way around. Also the character of Valeris was orignally Saavik.
Funnily enough Kim Cattrall auditioned for Saavik in TWOK but Kirsty Alley got the part. Then later on was briefly recast again for Saavik in TUC. They didnt bother contacting Robin Curtis who replaced Alley in the next two films.
By the time TUC was being cast, it was decided another actress playing Saavik was'nt a good idea and fans would have hated if she had been a traitor to Spock and Star Fleet.
@@ameliashephard2876 The original footage of Saavik taking Enterprise out of Spacedock was a more leisurely pace. This redo, which I really liked, had Enterprise barreling out. Nice touch with the other trainees added in to look like they are worried as she did this.
One of the best Star Trek Movies ever! This is science fiction how it should be! 👍💙
What an awesome idea.
It looks beautiful,but boy does it feel weird ...lol
Damn, that was beautiful.
Once again I want to thank Mr. George Lucas and the Star Wars community at ILM for producing the highest level of original special effects for the Star Trek movie fans out there that Paramount studios money can buy.
Cool video that fits together pretty well 👍. Fired out of spacedock pretty fast though, lol
well according to the technical manuals 1/4 impulse is 1,852 kilometers per second!
And since he used Motion Picture and Star Trek III Footage, he probably had to speed it up to avoid copyright issues?
@@SeansModelBuilds I think he did it to illustrate that impulse drive is too fast for spacedock as pointed out in ST6.
Interesting that the external shot shows the pod docking at the lower, cargo bay airlock but then the internal shot is at the airlock up on the dorsal area where the photo torpedo launchers are.. you can see the crewmen at attention at the torpedo loading track and hatch right after Kirk and party enter the Enterprise. Awesome work putting this together though.
Well done. Like your version.
Sorry Nick, not a fan here, the Theatrical cut is much more inclusive of the Enterprise
If a remastering version of this much loved movie is commissioned in the near future the producers would be crazy not to get you onboard. Stunning work you've created sir.
Just one thing - I miss the guy waving at 6:20 in the theatrical cut 😀
well done, thank you for sharing
Beautifully well done. And I love how you edited the viewscreen at the beginning using footage from the end of a voyage home as they go through spacedock. Very well thought. I tip my hat to you, sir.
Really nice work!
Nice work Nick. Not bad at all. Thumbs up.
Bloody well done!
Very good job spectacular
Looks great. A lot of movies these days could learn from this one at least where pacing is concerned
Very well done!
Anyone else noticed that despite Space dock operations advising shuttle to 'dock at portside torpedo bay' they actually dock on secondary hull below it. The torpedo compartment is in the 'neck' and matches the interior set. I'm wondering if the script was changed after the miniatures filming had already completed?
Any captain or officer pulling out of the dock that fast would have had their head chewed off, handed back to them, and a nice long assignment on the beach. I agree, the order was 1/4 impulse, but the correct one would have been thrusters ahead if I recall the orders from ST:TMP. The FIX would have been to overlay the voice to the correct orders. After the "cast off all moorings, it would probably be a starboard thruster order to push away from the "dock" into the main harbor area, then more thruster calls to orient the ship to the correct attitude, a zero rate call to stop the turn and finally a thruster ahead call to push them out of the harbor area into a free orbit outside spacedock. Then you would follow the "departure lane/channel" to open space where you would be free to navigate.
Other than a couple of continuity issues, (the Enterprise leaving the space station by going underneath it, then seeing going away in a straight line from the space dock doors.) your cgi remakes were flawless.
Good work!
Honestly, if copyright weren't an issue, I would love to see the movies remastered using either 3D models or physical models, where the spacedock is consistent, but also the battle damage on the ships are consistent as well. Hell, if you were to re-make these in 3D, keep the bridge interior consistent between movies (Fun fact: They re-designed the bridge every movie. OG Enterprise changed three times, Enterprise-A three times, and Excelsior twice).
Also, if the movies would be re-made in 3D, use voice actor and writers to fix problems in The Motion Picture and The Final Frontier. They had great ideas, terrible execution.
The only time the Enterprise left space dock on 1/4 impulse power was when Kirk changed Valeris' recommendation to disembark on aft thrusters, and that was on the Enterprise-A.
This kind of shows a bit of guts on Saavik's part and kind of throwing it in the Admiral's face saying, "I, a mere cadet, took the Enterprise out of space dock on impulse first".
1/4 impulse power is around 40 million MPH... a tad quick for spacedock IMO 😂
1/4 impulse power is around 40 million MPH... a tad quick for spacedock IMO 😂
Very good job!
Thank you!
One minor missed detail: the serial number of the new USS Enterprise in the movies has the “-A” added on the “NCC - 1701”. (Small slip). Just like how the later motion pictures introduced the Enterprise B, and C, and the TNG series brought D, and E.
You forgot one part: when Savik is taking the ship out of spacedock she hits another ship and turns out she has no insurance so she hits warp speed. You forgot that part.
Ganz großartig
Not bad
Fantasic fan version i lived it
Well done.
Excellent!
I always thought "what happend the last decade/mission to repair the Enterprise in a yard?"
And additionsl to that "why is the ship, that saved Earth from V'Ger now a Schoolship?"
So, this efit makes way more sense.
I fully support the concept to have the Enterprise depart from the space station's dock instead of drydock. If the concept goes official, I would suggest doing more, like having the shuttle dock at the torpedo bay.
Another item, I feel the Excelsior should not be there. It would be finishing construction in a drydock at this time.
Nice, edit and construction!
Only one thing
“One quarter impulse power” in space dock!!!😮
I can see no way round it but cool anyway!
Pretty good all told. The only error I saw is that, during the pod docking, a bit of one of the nacelles was cut off (it likely was obscured by the drydock structure in the original). TBH, there wasn't much else you could do without spending days with a photo-quality 3D render of the theatrical Constitution-class, space-dock and space pod models and I'm sure that would have blown the budget through the roof!
Really well done, great work
Well done
Good job.
Somebody needs to tell Saavik that regulations specify thrusters only while in spacedock
"Mr Sulu, you may indulge yourself". I always wanted him to roll inverted and go straight down. Why not?
This is great, always wondered. Where was the space dock in the wrath of Khan
3:18 Saavik: Ahead one quarter impulse power.
Lt. Valeris (ST VI): Captain, may I remind you that regulations specify thrusters only while in space dock.
I wonder why no one called out Saavik on this breach of regulations? LOL
Best ENTERPRISE EVER.
Very impressive but never...NEVER would a starship leave spacedock that fast😬
Very good, although I would say that the Enterprise was far too quick in exiting the space dock, that sequence should have been a lot slower because it looks like they were going at full impulse
I like the concept very much.
I would change a few things tho:
-The Enterprise should be slowed way down. her Movement appears almost comicly due to huge parts to her speed.
-The biggest problem was the inconsitency between her direction after exiting space dock. I mean she went in like a 90degree angle away only to have turned to a complet 180 degrees in the next shot. it just looks strange.
-In Universe a lieutenant would never dare to go 1 quarter impulse power while in Spacedock with her Captain standing literally next to her and a f'ing admiral only 2 steps away :P
Other than that I really like the concept.
My favorite Enterprise is the Original without it their would be no other
My car can park by itself. Pretty sure the Enterprise could launch automatically. Saavik only really needed to sit there.
So much better.
The best Star Trek film made better. Amazing work.
I like a lot of what you done here, especially in concept. Would you mind if I shared a few small observations, from a film-making trekkie for whom this is their favorite movie ever made? It's strictly take it or leave it, I think you have a great grasp on things as they are and none of what I have to say deals with the limitations of the material you had to work with or compositing issues due to the expense of digital modeling etc etc. They are purely stylistic choices. Thanks!
Sure, love constructive feedback.
@@NickAcosta-Films excellent. Wonderful attitude to take, my brother. As you bring in more ship noise alongside the soundtrack, try panning the sound so one side is 80% OST & 20% diegetic and the reverse is on the other side (80% diegetic, 20% OST). Watch your axis of action with the ship as it speeds up. Although you're switching the camera position (a necessity from the scope of movement), try to maintain the same axis of action throughout the progression of shots, until you hit the reverse angle at the end as it flies off. It will help the viewer maintain the sense of momentum through the sequence and make it feel more like one fluid movement. Finally, there is a dramatic difference between the camera setup for the shots inside and outside of spacedock. Most likely, changes in iso to handle the lighting differences and the use of an anamorphic lens for the exterior. Both of the changes would affect how light reflects off of the hull of the Enterprise, which is present in both environments. If you could adjust the lustre of the hull during the exterior part of the sequence, so that it better mimics how the hull of the ship would after the settings have changed, it would help to blend the ship in with its surroundings so that it looks like the Starfleet Craft seen there, and ultimately make it feel more organic to the shot.
That's all I have for you. I hope that I was able to provide something of use in your endeavor here. Just remember: No matter what you end up producing with the material that is the legacy of the original Trek, there is literally no way it could ever be any worse than what Kurtzman and Goldman have done. =)
But you still have the shuttle docking in the engineering section, not the torpedo bay. Plus any true fix would have them transport over, making the first part of this scene redundant,
Was the Excelsior being built here? Because I didnt think it was completed til Trek III.
1:59 Star Trek III Spacedock