This is the difference between Star Wars and Star Trek. Star Wars is a space opera. Star Trek is like getting together with old friends for an adventure.
@@stevetarrant3898 I have heard different reviews about Picard. I watched the first season. It was okay but like Enterprise it lacked the old ST feel. The new ST is darker, there are more special effects and explosions and action (which can be tiring after awhile), it's more politically correct/woke in places (which is irksome, sort of like a mosquito buzzing in your ear, ruining an otherwise good experience), it's morally ambiguous, all the characters constantly seem to be in psychotherapy and unsure of themselves (in other words, the narcissistic millennial worldview), and it seems to lack the humour and humanity and maturity of the old (the old being TOS, TAS, VOY, TNG, DS9). I watched the first season of Strange New Words and the new version of the Gorn is like a horror movie, rather sickening and there is this constant feminist subtext that detracts from it. I will give Picard another go but quite often when I am in the mood for ST, I just re-watch the old stuff.
I never understood why folks related the two and had to "choose" one or another. One is based 400 years in a theoretical future of earth, the other has nothing to do with our reality as we know it based in another side of the universe lol
@Dead Serious It depends how the impulse speed scale works. Maybe they can order 'one impulse' and 'two impulse' and so on and 'full impulse' is equivalant to some much higher number, far more than four times 1/4 impulse (and that assumes it isn't some sort of logarithmic scale).
It's absolutely fucking fantastic music that I loved from the moment I saw this in the theater in 1984 and still love cranking the crap out of now. Genius work by a genius we lost far too soon!
This is one of my favorite sequences in all of Star Trek history. Kirk sacrificed his ship. He lost his son. Because he loved Spock and the friendship they had. One of my favorite lines in the movie is when Sarek is speaking with Kirk and he says "at what cost, your son your ship..." And Kirk replies "if I hadnt tried the cost would have been my soul." Truly powerful. Stuck with me for all these years. Sometimes you have to sacrifice immensely in order to do what's right.
That's nice and all, but ... Kirk so obviously delights in pulling off this caper with his old team, you have to think he'd do it just to add Starfleet to that long list of befuddled Klingons and Romulans.
@@retrofrontier86 And sacrificing his career too. At that point in time, Kirk couldn’t count on bringing whales to 23rd century earth to save his career. He could only go off the information he had at that time.
Most loved part of any star trek. "Yellow Alert, captain to the bridge, yellow alert!. Brdige how can you have a yellow alert in spacedock?. Sir somone is stealing the enterprise.". Also shows how peaceful and layied back starfleet was.
@@1337penguinman Important comment, and really makes these movies different on rewatch, to maybe defend the Captain a little bit, I think his comment was directed at the officer of the watch and could read like "Captain to the bridge how the f could you order a yellow alert without involving me?' Again in defense but, the captain found out from the ship wide alert and that's probably bad for your career.
@@FromMyBrain Because that would have come directly from Starfleet command at Spacedock one, Spacedock one is the main hub for all Starfleet operations so they would have known well before the Excelsior did and told that officer... Further proof is of that window shot as the Enterprise is head for the dock doors, it's also constantly saying "yellow alert", meaning Spacedock one went on alert before the Excelsior did.
I always loved that moment of pause from Kirk when Captain Styles contacts him and says "Kirk, you do this you'll never sit in the Captain's Chair again". And it's like a flood of emotions and thoughts go through Kirk's head. I value my career, I love being the Captain and I love the Enterprise... And in the end the love for his friend overrides all that and he thinks "I'm coming for you Spock" and then says "Warp Speed" because he knew he was doing the right thing.
falcon3268 I guess he thought that no one else would steal it. Maybe he knew about Kirk's quest for Spock. My answer may not be good. So I want to see other answers😊 I don't remember the whole movie with all the details at the moment. Hehe.
James B. Sikking does such a good job as Styles. He doesn't have a lot of screen time, and when he's on screen he really never does anything bad or wrong. And yet you automatically hate his guts because Sikking just does such a good job of making him smarmy and arrogant.
If there was one thing Sikking could do very well was being a popmous arse. He knew just how to play some soo full of himself. Probably an excellent Captain but still someone you'd want to see taken down a peg or two.
It really shows the importance of good writing...in acknowledging and respecting the characters and their interplay...too many new adaptations are a mess of egos and action overtaking proper character development.
As I have written before, this is by far my favorite of all the films. I thought Leonard did an exceptional job with this film. This film is chock full of scenes like this where true Trek fans can really appreciate someone (Nimoy) who truly understood what made Trek great. This scene shows how all the crew were willing to do anything for a chance to see their resurrected, beloved shipmate again. Nimoy also gave some added screentime to his co-stars which was long overdue. Sulu, Uhura, Scotty. The scene with the destruction of the Enterprise is classic. A closeup on all of the crew still gets to me 33 years later. I always enjoyed the guest stars, too. Hooks, Sikking, a young Miguel Ferrer, the brilliant Christopher Lloyd, Brandscombe Richmond, John Larroquette, Lenard, and Dame Judith. RIP, Mr. James Horner's music for TWOK & TSFS was exceptional. Just pulls at the heart strings. This film is often overlooked because it may not have been as action packed as TWOK but the ideas of friendship, sacrificing the many for the one, and showing the love between the original crew was clearly evident. TSFS is the perfect middle film in the trilogy 2, 3, and the Voyage Home. I could go on and on but this is a very good film.
matt murdock Define "true Trek fan" please. Don't tell me you're a other of these _if you don't like what I like then you're not a true fan_ morons. A person is either a fan or not a fan and it's up to them, not us, to define them as such.
matt murdock That's a yes, then. And let me be clear: I'm not saying you care what I think or that you _should_ care. What I'm saying is that if you're the moron I describe in my previous comment, which you just admitted to being, then you're a son of a bitch. I say again, it's not for you to determine what a true fan is. It's your job to stfu and enjoy what YOU enjoy and not look down on people who like different things, or the same things in different ways. In short, fuck you.
Well said. I always thought this film didn't really get the respect it deserved. I saw it in the theater the year i turned 12. Practically the whole audience gasped when the Enterprise was destroyed. Good memories of family time
matt murdock this movie is proof that the odd/even argument is moot. This is easily one of the most adventurous stories in the series. Plus it's really cool seeing a different side of Starfleet. Just the scope and scale of spacedock is mesmerizing. It's also really cool to see some of the crew out and about as civilians. This is one of the most watchable ones for sure. A lot of really cool things going on.
Mike Fougere Great post, Mike. Yeah, I never put much credence in the odd/ even debate. III is my favorite and I really have come to love TMP and the whole V’ger reveal in the film. Was TMP, perfect? No, but it was decent. The only film from TOS that I really did not like was V. I was happy to see this film kind of flop when Shat told Paramount he would be done w/ Trek if he did not direct V. We know the only reason was because he was so envious of the success Leonard had w/III and IV.
Not "funny" at all. The timing of the whole sequence was perfect, and the music contributed immeasurably to the intensity. What was funny, if anything, was the way all the actors played it---all seriousness, believe it or not.
I remember seeing this in the theatres - I was in 5th grade. The moment when the Enterprise slips past the Space Doors and the music crescendos made the audience cheer. Later, when the Enterprise self-destructs, you could have heard a pin drop in the theatre (but for the film sound) - there was not a single noise from the audience. Despite seeing it in the trailers, the audience was in shock. My dad must have realized how disturbing this was to me and he leaned over and said, if they can bring back Spock, they can bring back the Enterprise.
So many stars have boldly gone, Deforrest Kelly, James Doohan, Nichele Nichols,, Mel Ferrer, and most recently James B. Sikking. May the wind be at their backs as they boldly go.
Call me old fashioned, but this right here is as good as star trek ever got. Nothing produced before or since catches the grandeur, excitement and scale of what the trek universe could be. And yes, all done without glossy CGI.
I don't think he took the Enterprise to save her from scrapping. Rather I think it was; he still had the keys to the company car, and no cabbie was going to take him to the shady part of town.
James, rest well sir. Growing up you were one of many fathers in many different roles and I truly appreciate your contribution and your art. You will not be forgotten my man trust me.
One of the best exchanges in the original cast movies; as if Scottie was waiting for Kirk’s order to open the space doors despite his own desperation to do so the whole time. I always wondered if the Federation opened them for the station’s safety - and the doors opening had nothing to do with anything the Enterprise did..
Captain Styles, (commanding officer of Excelsior) didn’t figure the greatest engineer Star Fleet ever had in to his calculations. Also the parts that Scotty gives to Dr McCoy, (“from one Surgeon to another,”) they seem a bit big for a time in the future where most of everything will be computer circuitry and microchips on a microscopic scale? Maybe they’re mechanical parts that have to be that big considering that USS Excelsior is quite a big ship?
every time the guard calls Sulu tiny I think, "It's *Commander* Tiny, you glorified rent-a-cop of an enlisted man." granted, had Sulu been in uniform, rank insignia and all, the guy probably would've been more respectful
If the Federation's command structure was anything like the present day military's, then COMMANDER Sulu (whether in uniform or not) should have had that guard at attention and read him the riot act up one side and down the other until the ENLISTED man was practically pissing himself in fear. (An enlisted man calling a Naval Commander - the same rank as an Army Lieutenant Colonel - "Tiny"? I don't think so.) While that would have made for a fun scene, I recognize that the bulk of the audience knew nothing about military protocol. As such, the director went for the laugh. (And in-story, since Sulu was going to have to get past that guy anyway, I guess he satisfied himself with kicking his ass.)
I love the shot of the Enterprise leaving space dock from the coffee shop windows. It's a subtle nod to the HoJo's featured on the space station from 2001: A Space Odyssey.
And how about that busboy, who while clearing the dishes stopped and stared at the Enterprise moving inexorably toward the spacedoors and wishing he were on that mammoth starship?
The look Uhura gave that guy when he talked about her career winding down just screamed "You think I'm on a downward spiral, you haven't seen ANYTHING yet."
Some of the best Trek lines ever in this clip, and Nimoy's direction was excellent. When the bridge lights come on at 03:30 I still chuckle to this day. Thanks for posting!
Scotty had been secretly making some essential repairs to that "badly damaged Enterprise". He knew that this would probably be her last mission,and he wanted her to be in the best shape she could be. The lights coming on were the signal for the mission to begin.
George Takei hated the "Don't call me tiny" line, saying that it would betray the expectations of fans who would never think that Sulu was tiny. Leonard Nimoy offered a compromise: They shot it with the line and without the line and if it didn't play well in previews they would cut it out. When George heard the laughing and cheering in early screenings he got it and withdrew his complaint.
The reason this movie works, is at the core, it is a movie about helping your friends and to what lengths we are going to go for our friends. There is something about that, that is not only wonderful, and touching, but it's something that gives me hope. We all want to live in a universe where our friends are willing to step on the wire for you. There are times, where collectively, the needs of the one, outweigh the needs of the many.
RIP: James Sikking (Excelsior Captain Styles) (1934-2024) He passed away last week at the age of 90. Quote: Of all the roles I have played my career, the most feedback I get is from my brief roll on Star Trek. I am not a fantasy kind of actor, but something about me had great appeal to the fans.
I love Uhura saying "be careful what you wish for you might just get it." that smile on her face tells everything she was one of those women who just gets more beautiful with age...
If you recall, in Star Trek IV Kirk gets called on the carpet, soundly raked over the coals, (a lot he cares) demoted to captain and then given command of the Enterprise---which was what he wanted all along!
"YELLOW ALERT CAPTAIN TO THE BRIDGE, YELLOW ALERT" "Bridge this is the Captain. How can you have a Yellow Alert in Spacedock?" "Sir! Someone is stealing the Enterprise!" "I'm on my way.." 😂😂
Another small trivia. DeForest Kelley was good friends with famous actor Van Johnson. Van was not getting any casting calls so he asked Dee if he would wear a scarf Van would give him during his movie shots. As Van said, "its the only way I can still be a part of movies". The scarves you see him wearing outside of his uniform were all given to him by Van.
Wow! Thank you for sharing this story. Van Johnson was in “Go For Broke!”, a movie about the 442nd RCT in WW2. It’s poetic to hear this story. Takei was imprisoned as a child in the Japanese American concentration camp at Rohwer AK. The 100th BAT/442 men during training visited the Rohwer camp and interacted with the incarcerated families and people. Van Johnson’s scarf pulls his filmography into a Star Trek film and juxtaposes Sulu’s actions with Go For Broke as a film. Van Johnson was willing to do the film when anti Japanese racism was significant in Hollywood. The veterans of the 442 say that visiting Rohwer was an event that was pivotal in the unit cohesion during training. Van Johnson’s acting and the portrayals in Go For Broke are important reflections on the civil rights issues of mid century America and now.
Watching this reminds me of younger days where I didn't have the cares and concerns that I have now. It also makes me think about the beloved characters we've lost along the way who we'll now only see in their glory days. Classic Star Trek will always be one of my favorite things in life. BTW, when it comes to wardrobe, Chekov got the short end of the stick! That color, that collar!!!😂
God I love this scene... Never insult their favorite place of work. Never insult someone's size. Never insult the person's reputation due to their age. 1. Computer of an unpopular working space gets insulted because it's not home. 2. Get shoved against the wall and tossed on the floor. 3. The insultee gets a phaser to the face.
Gotta say that my favorite line from this scene is Scotty's "Up your shaft."!! I remember just giggling away in the theatre when he said that! Also, the very brief scene at 05:18 where the battle scarred Enterprise is passing by those lounge windows with that worker just staring at the sight of it! It's very easy to put yourself in his shoes in that moment! Since then, I have always wished that there was a REAL restaurant just like that one!
Great to see this extended scene. But it only made me wonder on this last viewing, how JT had planned to open the door but for Scotty staying on board.
Maybe the plan was for Scotty to open it from a terminal somewhere on spacedock if he wasn't onboard the Enterprise. Perhaps that is part of what caused some of the delay, some change of plans, and the code coming from Enterprise to open the doors was odd as it should have been coming from a spacedock terminal.
Somewhere on UA-cam, there's a fan edit of Rand actually being the one to open the doors at the last moment. They already had her for the movie, it would have been so perfect.
Saw this on opening weekend. Only James Horner could mix suspense and emotion with his score in this scene. Theater went nuts when the doors opened, including myself! Almost 40 years later and I can not say which I liked better, Wrath of Khan or this...maybe I should just think of them as a 2 part episode. :)
It was so ingenious having the self important captain of the Excelsior lying there filing his nails. Nothing wrong with nail maintenance, it's just that really (no pun intended) nailed who he was in terms of his functionality.
The music - OH. MY. GAWDS - the music! Imagine the entire scene without music and you'll understand just how powerful an influence the soundtrack is in shaping our emotions as we watch the scene play out! James Horner, what a genius of music we lost! I love that tiny moment, when Styles tells Kirk that he'll never sit in the captain's chair again if he goes through with stealing the Enterprise and Kirk orders Enterprise to warp speed, Scotty gives a satisfied smirk. 😄 I don't know if that was direction given by Leonard Nimoy but I'm willing to bet it was James Doohan just being so intimately familiar with his character that it was his way of saying, "THAT is the captain I'd be willing to follow through the very gates of hell!"
what makes this scene even better is when you realize the excelsior has a gigachad moment in the undiscovered country coming in fast and hard to rescue the enterprise-a when its being attacked by a cloaked klingon bird of prey. Too bad we never got a captain sulu series.
this was always my favorite scene in this movie .... stealing enterprise and seeing excelsior take a crap when they try to make chase. thanks to scotty
Happened to me once, in Star Trek Online. I spend years working my way to Fleet Admiral only to have a lowly logistics officer yawn in my direction. I buried a batleth in the back of his head, after I had him sent to Rura Penthe.
In the theater when they Excelsior made the noises of a broke down car (in space!) at 9:03 I knew right away the greatness of the previous movie, Wrath of Khan, would not be repeated. It never was.
I'm always wondering how is that possible, that there are only two Federation ships in capital system of Federation. There should be a swarm of busy ships near Earth doing their businesses
I'd give a million dollars if, when he blew up the guards console, Sulu would have said "Boring conversation anyway... Luke! We're gonna have company!" 😂
This is the difference between Star Wars and Star Trek. Star Wars is a space opera. Star Trek is like getting together with old friends for an adventure.
The Star Trek of old anyway. The new stuff is terrible.
@@SophiaPerpetua Not Picard
@@scidriver3rd season only.
@@stevetarrant3898 I have heard different reviews about Picard. I watched the first season. It was okay but like Enterprise it lacked the old ST feel. The new ST is darker, there are more special effects and explosions and action (which can be tiring after awhile), it's more politically correct/woke in places (which is irksome, sort of like a mosquito buzzing in your ear, ruining an otherwise good experience), it's morally ambiguous, all the characters constantly seem to be in psychotherapy and unsure of themselves (in other words, the narcissistic millennial worldview), and it seems to lack the humour and humanity and maturity of the old (the old being TOS, TAS, VOY, TNG, DS9). I watched the first season of Strange New Words and the new version of the Gorn is like a horror movie, rather sickening and there is this constant feminist subtext that detracts from it. I will give Picard another go but quite often when I am in the mood for ST, I just re-watch the old stuff.
I never understood why folks related the two and had to "choose" one or another. One is based 400 years in a theoretical future of earth, the other has nothing to do with our reality as we know it based in another side of the universe lol
The star of this entire sequence....James Horner......Makes two ships moving at 1/4 impulse inside a space dock super exciting.....RIP
@Dead Serious It depends how the impulse speed scale works. Maybe they can order 'one impulse' and 'two impulse' and so on and 'full impulse' is equivalant to some much higher number, far more than four times 1/4 impulse (and that assumes it isn't some sort of logarithmic scale).
I want Scotty's jacket!!!.
They're on thrusters only... This clip shows what 1/4 impulse power really looks like...
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It's absolutely fucking fantastic music that I loved from the moment I saw this in the theater in 1984 and still love cranking the crap out of now. Genius work by a genius we lost far too soon!
This and The Wrath of Khan were both excellent soundtracks.
Star Trek III wasn't the best Trek, but these 9 minutes were amazingly written, shot, acted and oh my god that soundtrack. So beautiful.
Definitely the best part of this movie
And the Enterprise herself, as beautiful and stately as a swan.
My favorite Trek tbh, it's Kirk at his most heroic.
One of my favorites.
Except Chekov's outfit. He looks like an oompa loompa in a pepto bismol factory.
RIP James Sikking. You were fundamental to making this scene the masterpiece that it is.
Yellow Alert sir someone's stealing the enterprise!!!!
Sulus ship.....
WOW. Yes. Just looked him up. Died just 11 days ago on July 13, 2024. 90 years. RIP.
@@stratfordbaby8572 Great in Hill Street Blues.
@@stratfordbaby8572 damn he's Dead Jim for real🤪🤪
Only Star Trek can make backing out of the garage a majestic moment.
Always helps to have Horner's music!
@@goldenpacificmedia thats true for everything. I wont even bother trying to take a piss without it these days.
When the ships actually looked and performed like naval vessels, not stupidly accelerating CGI bullshit.
@@cjad100 What about space resembles water such that they SHOULD perform like Naval Vessels?
Well, that’s the biggest garage I’ve ever seen😊
"I recommend you all for promotion.....in whatever fleet we end up serving."
I think the Pakleds will always be looking for help to make them strong...
Criminal edit right there.
Good job opportunities available in the Orion Syndicate.
This is one of my favorite sequences in all of Star Trek history. Kirk sacrificed his ship. He lost his son. Because he loved Spock and the friendship they had. One of my favorite lines in the movie is when Sarek is speaking with Kirk and he says "at what cost, your son your ship..." And Kirk replies "if I hadnt tried the cost would have been my soul." Truly powerful. Stuck with me for all these years. Sometimes you have to sacrifice immensely in order to do what's right.
That's nice and all, but ... Kirk so obviously delights in pulling off this caper with his old team, you have to think he'd do it just to add Starfleet to that long list of befuddled Klingons and Romulans.
1:39 my favourite Uhura movie moment. "Jim? Your name is Jim" and cue Kleenex.
@@retrofrontier86 And sacrificing his career too. At that point in time, Kirk couldn’t count on bringing whales to 23rd century earth to save his career. He could only go off the information he had at that time.
Hats off to the recently departed James Sikking for making Captain Styles so memorable. Not the biggest part in his long career but played perfectly.
Everytime I see him, I think to myself "Judas H. Priest!"
Watch him in Hill street blues
What was that staff that he was carrying around? Look like some sort of tyrant. lol How it made him look so evil and so authoritarian. RIP James
@@Panthorius Looks like a great bottle opener, though.
@@douglashenry6996 I thought he was going to use it to whip his staff if they didn’t comply. It also looked like a pain stick used by Klingons! 🤪
Most loved part of any star trek. "Yellow Alert, captain to the bridge, yellow alert!. Brdige how can you have a yellow alert in spacedock?. Sir somone is stealing the enterprise.". Also shows how peaceful and layied back starfleet was.
This was the beginning of the Golden Age of Starfleet that didn't really end until the Borg showed up.
@@1337penguinman Important comment, and really makes these movies different on rewatch, to maybe defend the Captain a little bit, I think his comment was directed at the officer of the watch and could read like "Captain to the bridge how the f could you order a yellow alert without involving me?' Again in defense but, the captain found out from the ship wide alert and that's probably bad for your career.
@@FromMyBrain Because that would have come directly from Starfleet command at Spacedock one, Spacedock one is the main hub for all Starfleet operations so they would have known well before the Excelsior did and told that officer... Further proof is of that window shot as the Enterprise is head for the dock doors, it's also constantly saying "yellow alert", meaning Spacedock one went on alert before the Excelsior did.
The music in this scene is freakin' epic. Some of the most iconic in movie history IMO.
RIP James Horner.
I always loved that moment of pause from Kirk when Captain Styles contacts him and says "Kirk, you do this you'll never sit in the Captain's Chair again". And it's like a flood of emotions and thoughts go through Kirk's head. I value my career, I love being the Captain and I love the Enterprise... And in the end the love for his friend overrides all that and he thinks "I'm coming for you Spock" and then says "Warp Speed" because he knew he was doing the right thing.
Christopher Smart Yeah, great scene
Christopher Smart I always think Kirk is thinking one of two things: "I don't give a shit!" or "So be it!"
heres a question lets see who can answer it, How did Styles know it was kirk that stealing the enterprise?
falcon3268 I guess he thought that no one else would steal it. Maybe he knew about Kirk's quest for Spock. My answer may not be good. So I want to see other answers😊 I don't remember the whole movie with all the details at the moment. Hehe.
falcon3268 Who else would have the balls to steal a a starship from Spacedock? Especially the Enterprise.
James B. Sikking does such a good job as Styles. He doesn't have a lot of screen time, and when he's on screen he really never does anything bad or wrong. And yet you automatically hate his guts because Sikking just does such a good job of making him smarmy and arrogant.
Actually it’s James B Sikking doing his character from Hill Street Blues… a Police Drama popular on NBC in 1980’s
I mean he has a freaking swagger stick in the 23rd century, you immediately know he's a ponce.
@@NealX_Gaming I always wondered. Where the hell did Starfleet find that throwback to WWI?
As scotty called him, a popinjay.
If there was one thing Sikking could do very well was being a popmous arse. He knew just how to play some soo full of himself. Probably an excellent Captain but still someone you'd want to see taken down a peg or two.
I love Scotty's silent eye close and look of relief as Sulu says "We have cleared space doors...".
Also, James Horner's music really makes this scene.
It really shows the importance of good writing...in acknowledging and respecting the characters and their interplay...too many new adaptations are a mess of egos and action overtaking proper character development.
I had the exact same thought watching this. Where did all the great scripter writers go? Today's scripts are mostly just shallow garbage.
As I have written before, this is by far my favorite of all the films. I thought Leonard did an exceptional job with this film. This film is chock full of scenes like this where true Trek fans can really appreciate someone (Nimoy) who truly understood what made Trek great. This scene shows how all the crew were willing to do anything for a chance to see their resurrected, beloved shipmate again. Nimoy also gave some added screentime to his co-stars which was long overdue. Sulu, Uhura, Scotty. The scene with the destruction of the Enterprise is classic. A closeup on all of the crew still gets to me 33 years later. I always enjoyed the guest stars, too. Hooks, Sikking, a young Miguel Ferrer, the brilliant Christopher Lloyd, Brandscombe Richmond, John Larroquette, Lenard, and Dame Judith. RIP, Mr. James Horner's music for TWOK & TSFS was exceptional. Just pulls at the heart strings. This film is often overlooked because it may not have been as action packed as TWOK but the ideas of friendship, sacrificing the many for the one, and showing the love between the original crew was clearly evident. TSFS is the perfect middle film in the trilogy 2, 3, and the Voyage Home. I could go on and on but this is a very good film.
matt murdock Define "true Trek fan" please. Don't tell me you're a other of these _if you don't like what I like then you're not a true fan_ morons. A person is either a fan or not a fan and it's up to them, not us, to define them as such.
matt murdock That's a yes, then.
And let me be clear: I'm not saying you care what I think or that you _should_ care. What I'm saying is that if you're the moron I describe in my previous comment, which you just admitted to being, then you're a son of a bitch. I say again, it's not for you to determine what a true fan is. It's your job to stfu and enjoy what YOU enjoy and not look down on people who like different things, or the same things in different ways. In short, fuck you.
Well said. I always thought this film didn't really get the respect it deserved. I saw it in the theater the year i turned 12. Practically the whole audience gasped when the Enterprise was destroyed. Good memories of family time
matt murdock this movie is proof that the odd/even argument is moot. This is easily one of the most adventurous stories in the series. Plus it's really cool seeing a different side of Starfleet. Just the scope and scale of spacedock is mesmerizing. It's also really cool to see some of the crew out and about as civilians. This is one of the most watchable ones for sure. A lot of really cool things going on.
Mike Fougere Great post, Mike. Yeah, I never put much credence in the odd/ even debate. III is my favorite and I really have come to love TMP and the whole V’ger reveal in the film. Was TMP, perfect? No, but it was decent. The only film from TOS that I really did not like was V. I was happy to see this film kind of flop when Shat told Paramount he would be done w/ Trek if he did not direct V. We know the only reason was because he was so envious of the success Leonard had w/III and IV.
Funny how this scene has more intensity coming out of a space dock than the new movies combined.
Not "funny" at all. The timing of the whole sequence was perfect, and the music contributed immeasurably to the intensity. What was funny, if anything, was the way all the actors played it---all seriousness, believe it or not.
I'd agree entirely, with the exception of all the scenes with USS Vengeance
Especially Enterprise narrowly cleared the "Bombay" doors.
Still gives me goosebumps when they are clearing the space dock
the forgotten art and excellence of cinema is to make the boring enthralling.
I remember seeing this in the theatres - I was in 5th grade. The moment when the Enterprise slips past the Space Doors and the music crescendos made the audience cheer. Later, when the Enterprise self-destructs, you could have heard a pin drop in the theatre (but for the film sound) - there was not a single noise from the audience. Despite seeing it in the trailers, the audience was in shock. My dad must have realized how disturbing this was to me and he leaned over and said, if they can bring back Spock, they can bring back the Enterprise.
Dzam... So how drunk ARE you rt now
And they did both.
that is a wonderful story, thank you
Great Dad
Me? Crying? Nah…
This whole scene is all epicness due to the out of this world score by the great James Horner!. Goose bumps!.
00:48 One of Sulu's best lines - "Don't call me 'Tiny'."
As, we all know, Sulu had had his training in various martial arts in Starfleet---including just throwing that guard to the floor!
Fly her apart then
“Don’t call me tiny” love that line!
Why doesn’t current trek make me feel like I do when I watch these movies.
Strange New Worlds is close
because the new ones weren't written for adults and assume the viewer needs everything explained, including what they're supposed to feel.
@@MarklovesAngels Don't forget the pronouns.
The new trek is an embarrassment.
Because New Trek was made to push a message rather than tell a story.
So many stars have boldly gone, Deforrest Kelly, James Doohan, Nichele Nichols,, Mel Ferrer, and most recently James B. Sikking. May the wind be at their backs as they boldly go.
And Lenard Nimoy
@@MKnight24740And Kirsty Alley.
@@chrisleyhe9039and Eddie Pasky
Call me old fashioned, but this right here is as good as star trek ever got. Nothing produced before or since catches the grandeur, excitement and scale of what the trek universe could be. And yes, all done without glossy CGI.
Agreed. No glossy cgi, but very glossy state of the art models and opticals vfx. Perfection.
Kirk knew that since the enterprise was going to be decomissioned, it was better it went in a blaze of glory rescuing spock than to be scrapped.
I don't think he took the Enterprise to save her from scrapping. Rather I think it was; he still had the keys to the company car, and no cabbie was going to take him to the shady part of town.
The ship the Enterprise was part of the family. And the whole family was going to rescue Spock. He would be remiss not to take her along.
James, rest well sir. Growing up you were one of many fathers in many different roles and I truly appreciate your contribution and your art. You will not be forgotten my man trust me.
The composer did some amazing work with switching the type and pace of music with each scene/cut.
"And....now Mr. Scott."
"Sir?"
"The doors Mr. Scott."
"Aye sir, I'm workin on it."
Captain Cardsworth
"Are you just going to walk right threw them?"
"Calm yourself Doctor"
From another scene: Kirk: "How many fingers am I holding up?" McCoy: "That's not very damn funny..." or should I say from earlier in the scene...
My favorite "moments"
... :)
One of the best exchanges in the original cast movies; as if Scottie was waiting for Kirk’s order to open the space doors despite his own desperation to do so the whole time. I always wondered if the Federation opened them for the station’s safety - and the doors opening had nothing to do with anything the Enterprise did..
RIP, James B. Sikking (Captain Lawrence H. Styles)
RIP Miguel Ferrer aka the helmsman.
Wasn't he also the guy who helped design and build Robocop!
That's Jose Ferrer, not Mel.
Captain Styles, (commanding officer of Excelsior) didn’t figure the greatest engineer Star Fleet ever had in to his calculations. Also the parts that Scotty gives to Dr McCoy, (“from one Surgeon to another,”) they seem a bit big for a time in the future where most of everything will be computer circuitry and microchips on a microscopic scale? Maybe they’re mechanical parts that have to be that big considering that USS Excelsior is quite a big ship?
@@U2QuoZepplin Each thingy was a Cray super computer equivalent.
The music at 7:07 ALWAYS sends a shiver down my spine! Love it!
I refer to that as the “enterprise march “
every time the guard calls Sulu tiny I think, "It's *Commander* Tiny, you glorified rent-a-cop of an enlisted man." granted, had Sulu been in uniform, rank insignia and all, the guy probably would've been more respectful
Great comment!
I'd think he'd know who Sulu was anyways. The crew of NCC-1701 was legendary. Kirk was one of the youngest, if not the youngest captain ever.
If the Federation's command structure was anything like the present day military's, then COMMANDER Sulu (whether in uniform or not) should have had that guard at attention and read him the riot act up one side and down the other until the ENLISTED man was practically pissing himself in fear. (An enlisted man calling a Naval Commander - the same rank as an Army Lieutenant Colonel - "Tiny"? I don't think so.)
While that would have made for a fun scene, I recognize that the bulk of the audience knew nothing about military protocol. As such, the director went for the laugh. (And in-story, since Sulu was going to have to get past that guy anyway, I guess he satisfied himself with kicking his ass.)
Did Sulu use a sonic screwdriver on that console?!?! LOL
according to the book it was a disruptor of his own design specifically for this kind of destruction
I always snicker over the transwarp sputtering and dying sound effects.
I love the shot of the Enterprise leaving space dock from the coffee shop windows. It's a subtle nod to the HoJo's featured on the space station from 2001: A Space Odyssey.
Hate to think what coffee would cost 300 years from now. I can't even afford it today.
And how about that busboy, who while clearing the dishes stopped and stared at the Enterprise moving inexorably toward the spacedoors and wishing he were on that mammoth starship?
@@marcparellaThey don’t use money. 😉
My favourite Enterprise leaving the dock scene.
Sadly for the final time.....
Mine is from the First movie the reviel fly around the enterprise after its refit.
Mine too. I like when the enterprise is flying away from the station and you can see Excelsior peaking around the corner in pursuit.
05:17 What I would give to have a meal in THAT restaurant, at THAT table and at THAT time!! : - O
Wow, brings chills. Gotta rewatch that movie. Forgot how good it was.
A pure sequence of Star Trek joy
The exterior bridge lights turning on gets me every time.
The look Uhura gave that guy when he talked about her career winding down just screamed "You think I'm on a downward spiral, you haven't seen ANYTHING yet."
😅😅😅ikr! If you're referring to her no-pants dance in Final Frontier then, ya, whosever idea that was needs to be kicked in the space balls.
Well...I was kind of referring to what she did a few minutes later with forcing in into that closet.
😮Oh, lol. Nvmd then 😅
She looked daggers at him, as we say in the UK.
Some of the best Trek lines ever in this clip, and Nimoy's direction was excellent. When the bridge lights come on at 03:30 I still chuckle to this day. Thanks for posting!
I was waiting for someone to mention they'd put a pot of coffee on....
Star Trek 3 is criminally underrated.
We will never experience these moments of great movie making history duplicated in our lifetime. Simply stunning!
0:43 Sulu's got a sonic screwdriver?! #SecretTimelord
mystery2k8 wonder if it works on wood?
Tina Corbet Ohhhh myyyyy!
Enterprise is an absolutely beautiful designed ship. Ep 2,3,4 are some of the best sci fi movies put to screen.
One of the greatest scenes in cinematic history.
I love when the lights come on for the badly damaged Enterprise at 3:27. Preparing for one last mission.
Scotty had been secretly making some essential repairs to that "badly damaged Enterprise". He knew that this would probably be her last mission,and he wanted her to be in the best shape she could be. The lights coming on were the signal for the mission to begin.
One of the most exciting scenes in all of Star Trek...kind of a pity the last line was cut off, but no matter. Thank you.
Great movie, I haven't watched it since it was first released in the movie theaters in the summer of 1984.
"Up your shaft!" XD
+Scotty probably had something else in mind...
So funny its Leonard Nimoy's voice! I thought only McCoy delighted in insulting Spock... _oh Scotty!_ :P
Scotty's comment about overthinking the plumbing the easier to stop up the drain makes me think of modern vehicles. So many things to go wrong.
George Takei hated the "Don't call me tiny" line, saying that it would betray the expectations of fans who would never think that Sulu was tiny. Leonard Nimoy offered a compromise: They shot it with the line and without the line and if it didn't play well in previews they would cut it out. When George heard the laughing and cheering in early screenings he got it and withdrew his complaint.
This was one of the best sequences within all of the Star Trek Movies 💯💯
The reason this movie works, is at the core, it is a movie about helping your friends and to what lengths we are going to go for our friends.
There is something about that, that is not only wonderful, and touching, but it's something that gives me hope. We all want to live in a universe where our friends are willing to step on the wire for you.
There are times, where collectively, the needs of the one, outweigh the needs of the many.
7:05 What a great dramatic shot of determined officers.
James Sikking is so good. So easy to hate, but so charming and likable.
RIP: James Sikking (Excelsior Captain Styles) (1934-2024) He passed away last week at the age of 90. Quote: Of all the roles I have played my career, the most feedback I get is from my brief roll on Star Trek. I am not a fantasy kind of actor, but something about me had great appeal to the fans.
I love Uhura's look when he says "career winding down". LOL
Miguel Ferrer with hair. RIP.
William Gertler He was also Lloyd Henreid in The Stand ( he had less hair then, though!)
It’s funny to see how big, sleek, and imposing the Excelsior was, compared to the smaller older standard ship it was by TNG and DS9
The MUSIC from the 4:30 mark on is simply SPECTACULAR!
1:27 That's Leonard Nimoy as the turbolift's voice!
I've always loved the horns when Sulu says "we have cleared space doors." So much that when I back the car out of the driveway I hum it occasionally
I love Uhura saying "be careful what you wish for you might just get it." that smile on her face tells everything she was one of those women who just gets more beautiful with age...
"Kirk, you do this, you'll never sit the captain's chair again."
Kirk is sitting in the captain's chair again because of this. lol
If you recall, in Star Trek IV Kirk gets called on the carpet, soundly raked over the coals, (a lot he cares) demoted to captain and then given command of the Enterprise---which was what he wanted all along!
They flung him back into the briar patch, for sure.
"YELLOW ALERT CAPTAIN TO THE BRIDGE, YELLOW ALERT"
"Bridge this is the Captain. How can you have a Yellow Alert in Spacedock?"
"Sir! Someone is stealing the Enterprise!"
"I'm on my way.." 😂😂
...said with the expression on his face as if he were going to throw up.
Another small trivia. DeForest Kelley was good friends with famous actor Van Johnson. Van was not getting any casting calls so he asked Dee if he would wear a scarf Van would give him during his movie shots. As Van said, "its the only way I can still be a part of movies". The scarves you see him wearing outside of his uniform were all given to him by Van.
Wow! Thank you for sharing this story.
Van Johnson was in “Go For Broke!”, a movie about the 442nd RCT in WW2. It’s poetic to hear this story. Takei was imprisoned as a child in the Japanese American concentration camp at Rohwer AK. The 100th BAT/442 men during training visited the Rohwer camp and interacted with the incarcerated families and people. Van Johnson’s scarf pulls his filmography into a Star Trek film and juxtaposes Sulu’s actions with Go For Broke as a film. Van Johnson was willing to do the film when anti Japanese racism was significant in Hollywood. The veterans of the 442 say that visiting Rohwer was an event that was pivotal in the unit cohesion during training. Van Johnson’s acting and the portrayals in Go For Broke are important reflections on the civil rights issues of mid century America and now.
I’m a 3rd gen Star Trek fan, I have always been in love with Uhura - RIP 🖖
Watching this reminds me of younger days where I didn't have the cares and concerns that I have now. It also makes me think about the beloved characters we've lost along the way who we'll now only see in their glory days. Classic Star Trek will always be one of my favorite things in life. BTW, when it comes to wardrobe, Chekov got the short end of the stick! That color, that collar!!!😂
It makes me want to watch this movie again for the 95th time instead of watching a third episode of the new trash.
I still think this crew was the most badass of any starship Enterprise!
Remember, they had a really desperate mission ahead of them.
George Takei: Master of the close up a reaction shot.
"Oh my....."
Priceless---the look on his face. Sheer ecstasy---Sulu was really in his element, at the helm of the Enterprise, ready for warp speed.
God I love this scene...
Never insult their favorite place of work.
Never insult someone's size.
Never insult the person's reputation due to their age.
1. Computer of an unpopular working space gets insulted because it's not home.
2. Get shoved against the wall and tossed on the floor.
3. The insultee gets a phaser to the face.
RIP nichelle🙏🏼 rest well
Gotta say that my favorite line from this scene is Scotty's "Up your shaft."!! I remember just giggling away in the theatre when he said that!
Also, the very brief scene at 05:18 where the battle scarred Enterprise is passing by those lounge windows with that worker just staring at the sight of it! It's very easy to put yourself in his shoes in that moment! Since then, I have always wished that there was a REAL restaurant just like that one!
The futuristic baseball caps and Buck Rogers suits always make me chuckle.
Yeah, those security contractors are comical. It looks like it inspired the cop uniforms in Demolition Man years later.
Great to see this extended scene. But it only made me wonder on this last viewing, how JT had planned to open the door but for Scotty staying on board.
Maybe the plan was for Scotty to open it from a terminal somewhere on spacedock if he wasn't onboard the Enterprise. Perhaps that is part of what caused some of the delay, some change of plans, and the code coming from Enterprise to open the doors was odd as it should have been coming from a spacedock terminal.
Somewhere on UA-cam, there's a fan edit of Rand actually being the one to open the doors at the last moment. They already had her for the movie, it would have been so perfect.
Saw this on opening weekend. Only James Horner could mix suspense and emotion with his score in this scene. Theater went nuts when the doors opened, including myself! Almost 40 years later and I can not say which I liked better, Wrath of Khan or this...maybe I should just think of them as a 2 part episode. :)
Love this scene!
It was so ingenious having the self important captain of the Excelsior lying there filing his nails. Nothing wrong with nail maintenance, it's just that really (no pun intended) nailed who he was in terms of his functionality.
Than and he carried a Swagger Stick, what a jabroni!
"And don't call me tiny."
Mr. Scott was the ultimate hacker!!!
Thanks for posting this outstanding scene.
Glad you enjoyed it
They are joining each other one by one in heavens enterprise..GODSPEED
The music - OH. MY. GAWDS - the music! Imagine the entire scene without music and you'll understand just how powerful an influence the soundtrack is in shaping our emotions as we watch the scene play out! James Horner, what a genius of music we lost!
I love that tiny moment, when Styles tells Kirk that he'll never sit in the captain's chair again if he goes through with stealing the Enterprise and Kirk orders Enterprise to warp speed, Scotty gives a satisfied smirk. 😄 I don't know if that was direction given by Leonard Nimoy but I'm willing to bet it was James Doohan just being so intimately familiar with his character that it was his way of saying, "THAT is the captain I'd be willing to follow through the very gates of hell!"
what makes this scene even better is when you realize the excelsior has a gigachad moment in the undiscovered country coming in fast and hard to rescue the enterprise-a when its being attacked by a cloaked klingon bird of prey.
Too bad we never got a captain sulu series.
This scene....is PERFECT
5:31 "are you just gonna walk through them??"
"Calm yourself Doctor..."
this was always my favorite scene in this movie .... stealing enterprise and seeing excelsior take a crap when they try to make chase. thanks to scotty
My mom and dad love Mr James Horner Star Trek had the best scores gives you goosebumps.
"Are you going to just gonna walk through them?"
"Calm yourself doctor."😂
I sort of wished there was a McCoy line...
"Jim, I would have lived longer if you left me in the cell!"
The Enterprise's big escape from Space Dock and leaving the new Excelsior in the dust my favorite moment in Star Trek 3.
RIP James B Sikking.
Kirk and Spock, the greatest bromance in the Universe.
One of Trek's finest moments. ❤
All the years of watching this movie and just noticed how filthy the screens are at Old City Station's transporter pad
Look at them behind Uhura
Happened to me once, in Star Trek Online. I spend years working my way to Fleet Admiral only to have a lowly logistics officer yawn in my direction.
I buried a batleth in the back of his head, after I had him sent to Rura Penthe.
In the theater when they Excelsior made the noises of a broke down car (in space!) at 9:03 I knew right away the greatness of the previous movie, Wrath of Khan, would not be repeated. It never was.
The last ride of the greatest fictional ship to ever cross the stars…
I'm always wondering how is that possible, that there are only two Federation ships in capital system of Federation. There should be a swarm of busy ships near Earth doing their businesses
Space is very huge. It takes forever to get very far, even with warp engines.
the space around a starbase is usually cleared so ships can warp in and out.
One-quarter impulse is still damned fast for being in spacedock.
As Valeris states in ST6, there is a regulation requiring thrusters only in spacedock. Capt Kirk promptly ignores the regulation.
I can't believe they thought Shatner punching that guard was a god take. I've never seen a punch more telegraphed.
the score of james horner simply amazing!
I'd give a million dollars if, when he blew up the guards console, Sulu would have said "Boring conversation anyway... Luke! We're gonna have company!" 😂
Escape was their plan. They did not want to face the Federation or Starfleet security.