The genius of the writing in this show is that no one character is ever objectively right. As with all true ethical dilemmas, the choice is not right from wrong, it’s wrong from wrong. Notice how neither character gains the upper hand conversationally. They are both right. Most scenes of this nature involve one character preaching to the other in order to eventually win them over. But in BS, both Flint and Silver know that the other isn’t going to budge. They also know that each of them makes sense. It’s just a matter of perspective and ambitions, not right or wrong. It’s brilliantly scripted. Although I’m very thankful they ended it after 4 seasons (since most shows overstay their welcome and drag on until they suck) I would still watch another 30 seasons of this show. A rare gem that is CRIMINALLY underrated.
It's not that he didn't realise, it's just that he didn't care because he didn't want to care about that. He is wise and very clear in what he wants, which is to bring down the british umpire because he couldn't stand them after what they did to him
I wish there was a remake of the Treasure Island movie with this actors to give closure to the story. Pretty much like el camino with breaking bad. How awesome would it be
The one problem with doing a sequel to this show is that they left the ending ambiguous. It would be difficult to avoid spoiling that ambiguity in the sequel, unless they just completely left Flint out of it, which would be extremely disappointing. Not saying I don't want them to spoil the ambiguity mind you, I kinda wanted a more definitive ending to the show. I just think the writers and showrunners might consider this a potential hurdle.
I'm pretty sure that the writers have said that they don't believe the story of Treasure Island actually happens in the Black Sails universe. That's what Flint is talking about when he says "We will have been for nothing. Defined by their histories, distorted to fit into their narrative. Until all that is left of us are the monsters in the stories they tell their children." Flint predicts Treasure Island, and all the stories of the pirates thereafter. Essentially, the writers of the show are suggesting that Black Sails could actually exist in the real world, but the stories about the pirates which we believe in are almost certainly untrue. It should also be noted that according to historical records Woodes Rogers came back to reclaim Nassua, and ruled as its governor from 1728 to 1732. He was able to acquire funds for this expedition mostly due to the popularity he had gathered from a book titled 'A General History of the Robberies and Murders of the most notorious Pyrates'. Rogers was not the author, but supplied much of the information for the book, so you can imagine he painted himself and his enemies in rather deliberate lights.
Tbf maybe waiting 5/10 years or so like we have had to for the Kenobi series (and El camino I spose from season 1 BB) is probably for the best. Age Silver to what he should be in Treasure Island and the like. See Flint in a couple of flashbacks and the like. Think it could be great
Black Sails is the closest thing to Shakespearean writing we have in the modern day. Truly the best show ever made in my opinion. Breaking Bad follows closely, but the fact that Black Sails does in 39 episodes what most shows do (or fail to do) with 60-90 cements the fact that the show runners had a clear and precise trajectory for these characters and this story. A very rare masterpiece, and I feel privileged to be among the few who know it's worth
Completely agree. There’s a great podcast called Fathoms Deep that analyzes each episode as well as interviews nearly all of the cast. Been listening to that for a bit and it only increases my love for the show.
Agree with all of that. As well as brilliant male characters it had 4 incredible female characters Madi, Anne, Eleanor and most of all Max who retained femininity while being strong and clever.
"Defined by their histories, distorted to fit into their narrative, until all that is left of us are the monsters in the stories they tell their children." I don't know what the writers of this show were being paid, but it wasn't enough. Outstanding.
"This is not what I wanted... but I will stand here with you for an hour.... a day, a year... while you find a way to accept this outcome for we might leave here together. For if we not... I must end this another way" Damn, this is brilliant.
@@himarkabane Well the whole point is that the show will never tell you which is true, and that is why the cast refuse to comment on it. Realistically of course Silver killed Flint, but it really doesn't matter. What does matter is the story he told Maddie, the whole point of Rackham's speech and a recurring motif throughout the show is the power of stories, and how they don't have to be true.
@@tomothy1625 "a recurring motif throughout the show is the power of stories, and how they don't have to be true." Isn't that why we all watch?^^ You could apply Flints monologue about light and shadows to the modern world and it would still absolutely make sense (at least it does for me^^)
@@tomothy1625 yeah, the sad thing is that everyone dies. This show or any books we read are us grasping back in time trying to find the story of what happened.
These two are soulmates in every sense of the word. Flint and Silver have a stronger bond than each with their respective partners. They are the only two people who have known and seen each other in their own entireties since the beginning. The ones who understand the truth of each other's persona, and relate to each other more than anyone, precisely because they have went through the same experiences. They are so alike in so many ways yet so different. I can't imagine what it must be like, to have someone in your head like that. Even watching their dynamic develops have made me feel how deeply necessary they are to each other's existence. What a masterpiece of storytelling.
It reminds me of the relationship between Ragnar Lothbrok and King Ecbert on Vikings. The most clever characters on the show, men ahead of their time, who happen to be on opposing sides. They have mutual respect for each other, but they're not above betrayal to serve their own interests.
@@timovangalen1589 I mean, you are not wrong, but Black Sails did this (and everything else) so much better that I couldn't help finding the comparison almost insulting. Maybe it's because I've just finished it -- the ending was so great! I couldn't get past the beginning of S5 of Vikings, though, and I wouldn't even get there if I was watching it today, and not as a teen with a lot of free time.
After all those sparring lessons they end up fighting with words, yet you can see on their faces that those words cut deeper than any sword. Absolutely marvelous writing.
Such a simple line, but possibly my favorite delivery in the entire show, Silver saying ‘I don’t care’ sums up the entire arc of his relationship with Flint. While they understand each other better than any other could, Flint could never accept that Silver truly doesn’t believe in the sentiment of it all, and that is why their partnership was always doomed. It’s spoken almost as if Silver pleading with him to understand, after all these years.
wrong! Though it seems that Silver was "wiser" here by not going on with the madness, Flint was always one step ahead! Flint knew the craziness of his ideas and overall endeavors. He always knew. But he had NOTHING ELSE to live for.....therefore he simply sought out someone to get him out of that mindset and finally set him free. Silver's character was unbelievable of course! Truly byond his years in terms of wisdom. But the chess player was definitely Flint. He could not bring himself to stop himself in his destruction.........so he both consciously and subconsciously aligned himself with the only person on earth that could, and that was Silver. again, Flint was great, but Flint was the real visionary of it all! It's HIM that ultimately saves himself, and not necessarily Silver.
I agree with this Silver knows that Flint will not stop and cannot stop himself and has been coaching him in an effort to make sure he is strong enough to stop him and also strong enough to continue on should he believe or lose it all like he did.
@@southernstarresources2231 It's not about who's smarter, but that they were different and Flint couldn't handle that or he didn't really acknowledge it enough.
I love that they're both completely right. There are always manipulative, powerful people using and creating fear to keep everyone else in the fold, and they need to be regularly challenged and held to account. But when that's undertaken heedlessly out of resentment and lust for vengeance then the cure very easily becomes worse than the disease, because if people can't live their lives in peace then it rather defeats the point. A very timely message, in my opinion, and very eloquently and honestly presented. Brilliant show.
That's why it's a cycle. There's times of peace, during which the elite creep their plans in and grab for power. Then they're challenged, war breaks out, eventually the rebellion always wins, and peace returns. And history repeats itself. Everybody gets comfortable, another opening for tyranny presents itself, and someone takes it. Etc, etc. I'd argue we're living on the brink of just one such cycle ourselves right now within the EU and the USA.
@@TheStraightestWhitest I have a few issues with that theory. The first is the idea that "rebellion always wins", which just isn't true. As often as not, rebellions just escalate beyond sense and knock the house down, or provoke a crackdown, and leave everybody in an even worse and more miserable situation than they started in, providing even more opportunity and leverage to abusers of power in the process. The second is that that 'cycle' implies both that things don't change for the better without an explosive revolution, and that progress also isn't sustained over time, neither of which jams with modern human history. I'd argue that what's happening in the EU and the USA right now is that Flint's side of the argument has tried to take over our culture. People have gotten drunk on progress and totally forgotten to think about the very real costs and pitfalls, and that has all sorts of destabilizing effects. Loss of mutual trust across the political spectrum, the polarization of every issue to discourage debate, people being driven disproportionately into the opposite camp in sheer protest while the remainders insulate themselves more and more in their own bubble, escalating the tension and paranoia while distracting everyone from the issues we actually agree need to be handled... Some sort of explosive confrontation seems possible, I agree with that. Whether it ever NEEDED to happen in the first place is another matter entirely. That progress will win, or that the aftermath will be more peaceful and just than what used to be the status quo, is something I seriously doubt.
@@TheStraightestWhitest Can't speak for your government, because it's definitely not mine, but I have a hard time imagining any elected official getting a hard-on for forcing people to wear masks while the economy is about to topple and departments are being cut left and right. Maybe give the mask thing another few months before going to war over it? There are definitely instances of power being taken and then freely released, both historical and contemporary. I don't know where you got the idea that there isn't. My go-to approach is to first consider whether people are being dumb, and then whether they know more than I do. Sometimes it's worth trusting that things aren't as bad as someone else can make them sound, and that people are trying their best even if you expected better from them. How do you know the disease is a hoax?
@@noxluxe8674 the disease isn't a hoax. It's real. And it should be treated with concern. But it's vastly overblown and the response is 90% a political power grab. You know about The Great Reset? This is not a conspiracy. It's out in the open. Just Google it. World Economic Forum website. The lockdowns around the world actually don't make scientific or economic sense. They are using the virus to enact economic destruction globally. The Great Reset by the World Economic Forum has commercials saying things like "in 2030 you'll own nothing and you'll be happy." They are using leftist policies and pushing "global warming" to destroy the common man. High taxes for green energy that actually doesn't equal less carbon footprints....Covid lockdowns to destroy small businesses and make us more reliant on corporations. Big tech media silencing and removing anyone who goes against the narrative. Politicians saying to follow the science while they do the opposite with massive overreactionsand restrictions. I'm not some right wing conspiracy theorist. I'm very centrist. I don't believe all of global warming is a hoax. I like that gay marriage is a thing. I believe is some government services. But it's increasingly obvious to me that globalists have subverted both parties in america, although mostly the left, and they exaggerate leftist talking points and issues for mass hysteria in order to create compliance for authoritarian goals. BLM is run my self admitted marxists. Marxism is all power grabs. It's just a tool to create division ran by people who blatantly admit it. Yet people think it's about helping black people. It's nothing but leftist political grabs. None of this is liberal in the slightest. It's leftist.
@@Biggiiful I’m sure there’s truth in here but consider whether you’re really thinking for yourself or repeating yet another narrative we’ve heard over and over again online that starts with masks and ends with Karl Marx and “globalist elites”- even if it isn’t the “mainstream” narrative you’ve been told, it’s still a narrative you’ve been told.
If Madi would have died for real he would have followed Flint to the end and watched the world burn. Only with finding her was he able to pull back and see just how horrid the situation was. Whether or not he killed Flint he believed Thomas could make him see the same. Watching these two men’s journeys has been a true experience.
This is the best written scene in the history of television. Every single line gives me more chills and more emotions than the previous one. Two characters who deeply care for one another, two characters that I love and don’t want to see hurt, both begging each other to see a way out where they don’t have to kill each other. Chills. Chills all up and down me.
You know what I never realized before? As flint is making his final case to Silver and Silver responds back with “this isn’t about England” the way flints face just drops as I think that’s the first time he truly heard how far into the dark he went that he couldn’t even see anymore
It’s interesting, I actually always took it as Flint being shaken out of his usual (incredibly effective) speechifying. He’s always had a way of speaking that convinces people to do what he wants and this to me was Silver cutting him off and showing him that it wasn’t going to work this time… that the spell he’d been able to cast on him and so many others, time and time again, had broken.
I think he also heard an echo of Miranda's words then: "I think you're fighting for the sake of fighting! Because it's the only state in which you can function. The only way to keep that voice in your head from driving you mad!"
This is simply BEAUTIFUL!! I believe Flint subconsciously chose Silver as his underling. I believe that Flint knew deep down inside that only someone like silver could actually rescue Flint from Flint! Dark and beautiful. Yet frightening in its implications! 🫡🫡🍻🍻😰😰🔥🔥
The pure anguish on both their faces, in both their voices breaks my heart every single time. Rewatching this show with my mom after she expressed some interest literally just after I finished the finale and there's so many little bits of dialogue from Flint and Silver, not necessarily to each other, that take on such a different life and meaning after having watched the finale. Truly masterful storytelling; this is how you write a masterpiece of a show
thank you for uploading the clips in their entirety. I know "there be dragons" is the one everyone talks about. but my favourite is the "all this will be for nothing". I feel that is Flint at his most honest, he is desperate, he wants to be something. the dialogue also single-handedly changes the meaning of "treasure island" as a fictional book within the black sails universe, being a part of the lies that are told about pirates.
It's always made me think of all the different cultures and people throughout history, whose voices were just lost in time or to more 'civilized' ones and simply didn't make it into present day, and of whom all that is left are 'monsters' that current-day 'civilized' people tell in stories to their children. That and Toby Stephens of course delivering the line perfectly.
To me my favourite part is shortly after that line when Flint foreshadows Silver's story in Treasure Island. Madi won't be enough for him, and he'll end up chasing his past again.
I remember reading that the creators of the show thought of Treasure Island as a book that would be written about the characters. So Flint was right. 'Civilised' society produced art and propaganda that turned pirates into caricatures, and Long John Silver became one of the most famous pirate caricatures of them all.
I constantly find myself reminding people that Treasure Island IS the story that a teenaged boy narrates to fit his storytelling needs and also depends on that teenaged boy's recounting of stories that other people (like Silver and Billy) told him based on their own storytelling needs! Why believe even a single thing someone like Silver tells Jim about the past? And why do we believe every single detail that this teenaged boy is narrating to US as having happened? Treasure Island is stories (from pirates to a boy) inside of a story (told by a teenage boy) inside of a story (written by Stephenson).
"...that you gave it away, in this moment, on this island." Seriously, i cannot think of a single character's monologue as brilliantly written and delivered, in any TV show or even in all of film, as much as this one is in this scene. Seriously one of, if not the single greatest TV show ever made. I mean, to think that somehow "The Sopranos" is better than "Black Sails", is just just incomprehensible to me, and yet that's the show everyone lists as being number one or at least in the top three. This show in every single way blows that out of the water and this sequence is a perfect example of why it does
I must one hundred percent agree. All of my friends consider the "modern" tv shows awesome and number one and etc... but Black Sails man.. that show is just a masterpiece.. the writing.. the cinematography.. the music.. the dialogues.. the plot. I just find it to be the best thing ever made.. not a single movie nor any show I have ever seen has come remotely close to being somewhat comparable to this masterpiece.. it is is simply outta this world
The actor played flint just nailed it. What a remarkable performance he given in the entire show, i always liked him despite the deeds he done at some situations.
One of my favorite scenes of all time. Amazing acting, stellar score, perfect physical surroundings, and some of the best dialogue I’ve ever heard on tv. The writers laid bare the complex, and often subtle or hidden, motivations of the two most important characters that defined the arc and ethos of the entire show, and were able to do it with a bow and without being condescending or overly didactic. Bravo!
One of the most important key-scenes. Absolutely BRILLIANT!!!!! 🏆🏆🏆🥇🥇 No other TV-series or FILM, that has ever been launched, comes even close to BLACK SAILS. What a MASTERPIECE of actor-talent, first of all, the two Main Characters, John Silver and James McGraw alias Captain Flint, who played their impressive role very genuine and with a maximum of authenticity.
I love how Flint letting his guard down with Silver and allowing him to be known by another he can call friend is what saves him. saves them both. the journey of Black Sails is so worth it for their presence and story alone
Could not possibly agree with you more, as much as i adore the show i think it`s painfully obvious they were planning more. To finish it up perfectly they definitely needed at least 1 more season.
Just finished it today. What a series so underrated. What i dont get tho why didnt peter ashe just told miranda and flint that thomas is still alive (if he is truly alive). It was mentioned that the governor of carolina knows the institution... that's what made me believe that silver really did kill flint and just made up that story
@@annnoan5439 Perhaps he was still trying to repent for what he did by agreeing to Flint's plan. About pardoning Nassau, and if he revealed he knew, all that would go away. He won't be Governor of Nassau.
Honestly I think it went on for a good amount of time. Wouldn't want it to overstay its welcome. But some sort of Treasure Island, or random spin off would be great
@@grizzlymelon8376 They actually weren't planning for more seasons. Since the bignning it had already all been mapped out that there were only going to be four seasons, and personally I'm glad they ended it when they did, on a high in terms of quality instead of dragging it out due to fan pressure and risking it becoming a shadow of what it was, as many shows often do.
This turned into really good writing I think. I don't watch many TV shows, but I read alot. Flint and Silver (and to some extent Billy Bones) are in my opinion really well developed characters
Silvers face too as Flint is talking about leading a pirate fleet and starting a revolution. Silver already knows it’s not going to happen and you can see it in his face, then he turns and says “I cannot do it without you”. Breaks my heart.
Recién la descubri y terminé este año , y tienes toda la puta razón. Esta serie necesitó mayor publicidad y difusión porque está al nivel de vikings o got
A True Friend. That is what is so heart wrenching about these two. Under the darkest circumstances they still cared for each other, and it is beautifully written.
What I love about this series is it basically combines the lore of Treasure Island with real world history. Nassau (Bahamas) was a pirate base, which was ultimately conquered by the British Royal Navy. In the novel, Captain Flint was described as a somewhat mysterious character, with no motives beyond a love for treasure. Long John Silver's motive was claiming Flint's treasure, until he grew a liking to Jim Hawkins. Here, Captain Flint is some kind of revolutionary who dreams of a free world for all downtrodden, be they pirates, fugitives, or slaves. John Silver however is a realist. He knows this is a war they can't win, so he tells Flint what he always wanted to hear: That his true love was waiting for him.
i wish there were more shows and series like Black Sails, .... this was an epic ride with deep dialogues ... does anyone know anything even close to this? i appreciate it.
It's 2020 & while I'm watching this brilliant tv series, I still generally feel really gutted that black sails is over, it would be crazy not to have a spin off of some kind on what happened to jack, Anne, silver, Mary reed, max, fetherston, idele, Maddie, & I hate to say it woods Rodgers & billy!
I totally agree with you Alex, we all pretty know what happened to jack & the rest of his crew, but I would love to know what really happened to Anne bonny? Did she get out by her rich father or did she get help to escape from the prison & start a new life in Virginia?!🤔
@@alicezecevich2654An interesting question yet we have not a confirmed historical answer, all we know is both her and Mary Reed pleaded for belly to delay their execution, Mary died to sickness but we dont know when and where Anne died, she could make an open to interpretation character i would say.
If Anne did live to a ripe old age, I find it fascinating that their could be distant relative's that could be still alive & that leaves me with another question I wonder if Anne's family (down the line) had to stay quiet with who their were related too to protect Anne if she survived?!
@@alicezecevich2654 Since we have no historical facts to limit the possibilities of Anne's narrative, then it is free game for a writer, as long as he /she makes it work like a charm, i would want to see a spinoff with the same actress, maybe with other recurring actors from black sails.
I watched this show live when it was airing and loved it, and ive been able to turn quite a few people onto in the years since it ended, and I still find it a better series than game of thrones, and I lived game of thrones, but sails ending made more sense, and great care was taken with all of the characters and writing
It's such an underhanded thing but such an ingenius solution. Something you'd only do for someone you truly couldn't coutenance killing. For then John Silver couldn't have lived with himself either. People seem to balk at this compromise. It's the most human ending I could've imagined. Very well thought out.
An unprecedented use of the word unprecedented. I can forgive these actors cuz this show was so good. I still to this day call liars out by saying “something less than the truth”. lol. This show has great writing
This is the last time we see Flint in person. The final scene with him is being told by Silver, the story maker and liar. Silver tells us in the book that Flint drank himself to death. So I ask you, did he kill Flint or let him live?
I honestly believe he killed him. In episode 9 Flint tells Silver that even he can't make a story so believable that she will forgive him, and Silver proved him wrong by creating this happy ending story. Also after this scene you see some birds flying indicating a gunshot I think. Also when Rackam started narrating at the end he starts by sayind: " A story is true, a story is untrue". These are some of the reasons I strongly believe he killed him.
One scene makes me think he did kill Flint and another makes me think he didn't. After Silver returns to speak with Madi, he implores her with almost the exact speech he gave to Flint about "I'll stay here with you an hour...a day...a year" but he changes and adds to it. Why would he add to it or change it if it had worked earlier on Flint? Clearly because it DIDN'T work with Flint to change his mind and, thus, he had to kill him. And because of his love for Madi, Silver had to make sure the speech worked this time. But when Rackham returns to Lady Guthrie in Philadelphia to tell her what happened, she asks him point blank if Flint was dead. Remember, her cooperation hinged on Flint being killed. So, if Flint was indeed dead, all Rackham had to do was say yes. But he doesn't. He says Flint is no longer a concern. He's retired and therefore not a martyr to the cause. I think they didn't kill Flint but really did subdue him to bring him to Thomas Hamilton. "A story is true, a story is untrue." It only matters what people believe. And having the people believe that Flint is still a dragon in the darkness who can return at any time is more useful than a story where they dropped him off to be with his lover at the gay farm.
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The genius of the writing in this show is that no one character is ever objectively right. As with all true ethical dilemmas, the choice is not right from wrong, it’s wrong from wrong. Notice how neither character gains the upper hand conversationally. They are both right. Most scenes of this nature involve one character preaching to the other in order to eventually win them over. But in BS, both Flint and Silver know that the other isn’t going to budge. They also know that each of them makes sense. It’s just a matter of perspective and ambitions, not right or wrong. It’s brilliantly scripted. Although I’m very thankful they ended it after 4 seasons (since most shows overstay their welcome and drag on until they suck) I would still watch another 30 seasons of this show. A rare gem that is CRIMINALLY underrated.
Toby Stephens is outrageously talented.
The son of Maggie smith right there
@@h0rn3d_h1st0r1an his mother tought him well!
Agree!
Captain Flint didn't realize that the real treasure was the friendships made along the way.
It's not that he didn't realise, it's just that he didn't care because he didn't want to care about that. He is wise and very clear in what he wants, which is to bring down the british umpire because he couldn't stand them after what they did to him
@@DurgeshYadav-bc5nm Bro he's joking lol
I wish there was a remake of the Treasure Island movie with this actors to give closure to the story. Pretty much like el camino with breaking bad. How awesome would it be
The actors have said they’d love to one day. There is a 20 year jump between Black Sails and the book so they might do it one day
Oh shit I need this. I hope the show’s popularity increases over time since it’s so great.
The one problem with doing a sequel to this show is that they left the ending ambiguous. It would be difficult to avoid spoiling that ambiguity in the sequel, unless they just completely left Flint out of it, which would be extremely disappointing.
Not saying I don't want them to spoil the ambiguity mind you, I kinda wanted a more definitive ending to the show. I just think the writers and showrunners might consider this a potential hurdle.
I'm pretty sure that the writers have said that they don't believe the story of Treasure Island actually happens in the Black Sails universe. That's what Flint is talking about when he says "We will have been for nothing. Defined by their histories, distorted to fit into their narrative. Until all that is left of us are the monsters in the stories they tell their children." Flint predicts Treasure Island, and all the stories of the pirates thereafter. Essentially, the writers of the show are suggesting that Black Sails could actually exist in the real world, but the stories about the pirates which we believe in are almost certainly untrue.
It should also be noted that according to historical records Woodes Rogers came back to reclaim Nassua, and ruled as its governor from 1728 to 1732. He was able to acquire funds for this expedition mostly due to the popularity he had gathered from a book titled 'A General History of the Robberies and Murders of the most notorious Pyrates'. Rogers was not the author, but supplied much of the information for the book, so you can imagine he painted himself and his enemies in rather deliberate lights.
Tbf maybe waiting 5/10 years or so like we have had to for the Kenobi series (and El camino I spose from season 1 BB) is probably for the best. Age Silver to what he should be in Treasure Island and the like. See Flint in a couple of flashbacks and the like.
Think it could be great
Black Sails is the closest thing to Shakespearean writing we have in the modern day. Truly the best show ever made in my opinion. Breaking Bad follows closely, but the fact that Black Sails does in 39 episodes what most shows do (or fail to do) with 60-90 cements the fact that the show runners had a clear and precise trajectory for these characters and this story. A very rare masterpiece, and I feel privileged to be among the few who know it's worth
Deadwood.
Completely agree. There’s a great podcast called Fathoms Deep that analyzes each episode as well as interviews nearly all of the cast. Been listening to that for a bit and it only increases my love for the show.
Agree with all of that. As well as brilliant male characters it had 4 incredible female characters Madi, Anne, Eleanor and most of all Max who retained femininity while being strong and clever.
Black sails is video series of a book called treasure island
I agree. This is a terribly underrated show!!
"Defined by their histories, distorted to fit into their narrative, until all that is left of us are the monsters in the stories they tell their children."
I don't know what the writers of this show were being paid, but it wasn't enough. Outstanding.
@@hibbidyjibbidyy Bender Black Sails parody when?
"This is not what I wanted... but I will stand here with you for an hour.... a day, a year... while you find a way to accept this outcome for we might leave here together. For if we not... I must end this another way"
Damn, this is brilliant.
Yeah then some people still believe Flint actually was sent to live his remaining life in some secret plantation where Thomas is still alive lol.
@@himarkabane Well the whole point is that the show will never tell you which is true, and that is why the cast refuse to comment on it. Realistically of course Silver killed Flint, but it really doesn't matter. What does matter is the story he told Maddie, the whole point of Rackham's speech and a recurring motif throughout the show is the power of stories, and how they don't have to be true.
@@tomothy1625 "a recurring motif throughout the show is the power of stories, and how they don't have to be true."
Isn't that why we all watch?^^
You could apply Flints monologue about light and shadows to the modern world and it would still absolutely make sense (at least it does for me^^)
@@tomothy1625 yeah, the sad thing is that everyone dies. This show or any books we read are us grasping back in time trying to find the story of what happened.
@@himarkabane that's what the show runners said. i hate them for that.
This is one of the greatest dialogues in history of dialogues.
Really good
Whole heartedly agree
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If only more shows had this level of writing and acting together. This shows the true power when both are firing on all cylinders. True masterpiece.
The end at least. I'm not sure the rest was as good as the end, but I'm with you on the last episode
Can you believe this was produced by Michael Bay? Lol the irony.
@davepatrick9120 it nearly is,
These two are soulmates in every sense of the word. Flint and Silver have a stronger bond than each with their respective partners. They are the only two people who have known and seen each other in their own entireties since the beginning. The ones who understand the truth of each other's persona, and relate to each other more than anyone, precisely because they have went through the same experiences. They are so alike in so many ways yet so different. I can't imagine what it must be like, to have someone in your head like that. Even watching their dynamic develops have made me feel how deeply necessary they are to each other's existence. What a masterpiece of storytelling.
Florencia Edgina I concur, you could not have said it any better.
It reminds me of the relationship between Ragnar Lothbrok and King Ecbert on Vikings. The most clever characters on the show, men ahead of their time, who happen to be on opposing sides. They have mutual respect for each other, but they're not above betrayal to serve their own interests.
@@timovangalen1589 I mean, you are not wrong, but Black Sails did this (and everything else) so much better that I couldn't help finding the comparison almost insulting. Maybe it's because I've just finished it -- the ending was so great! I couldn't get past the beginning of S5 of Vikings, though, and I wouldn't even get there if I was watching it today, and not as a teen with a lot of free time.
@@joaomarcos2089 oh I agree, Vikings was shit from season 5 on, but the first 4 seasons were great. The show died when Ragnar and Ecbert died
@@timovangalen1589 Vikings was my favourite show, it went downhill starting with season 3.
After all those sparring lessons they end up fighting with words, yet you can see on their faces that those words cut deeper than any sword. Absolutely marvelous writing.
Easily one of the most wellwritten shows ever, but the dealth of Blackbeard tore my heart out.
Such a simple line, but possibly my favorite delivery in the entire show, Silver saying ‘I don’t care’ sums up the entire arc of his relationship with Flint. While they understand each other better than any other could, Flint could never accept that Silver truly doesn’t believe in the sentiment of it all, and that is why their partnership was always doomed. It’s spoken almost as if Silver pleading with him to understand, after all these years.
I ... never saw it like that ...
wrong! Though it seems that Silver was "wiser" here by not going on with the madness, Flint was always one step ahead! Flint knew the craziness of his ideas and overall endeavors. He always knew. But he had NOTHING ELSE to live for.....therefore he simply sought out someone to get him out of that mindset and finally set him free.
Silver's character was unbelievable of course! Truly byond his years in terms of wisdom. But the chess player was definitely Flint.
He could not bring himself to stop himself in his destruction.........so he both consciously and subconsciously aligned himself with the only person on earth that could, and that was Silver.
again, Flint was great, but Flint was the real visionary of it all! It's HIM that ultimately saves himself, and not necessarily Silver.
I agree with this Silver knows that Flint will not stop and cannot stop himself and has been coaching him in an effort to make sure he is strong enough to stop him and also strong enough to continue on should he believe or lose it all like he did.
Ultimately, Flint is right though. Treasure Island shows us this much.
@@southernstarresources2231 It's not about who's smarter, but that they were different and Flint couldn't handle that or he didn't really acknowledge it enough.
I love that they're both completely right. There are always manipulative, powerful people using and creating fear to keep everyone else in the fold, and they need to be regularly challenged and held to account. But when that's undertaken heedlessly out of resentment and lust for vengeance then the cure very easily becomes worse than the disease, because if people can't live their lives in peace then it rather defeats the point. A very timely message, in my opinion, and very eloquently and honestly presented. Brilliant show.
That's why it's a cycle. There's times of peace, during which the elite creep their plans in and grab for power. Then they're challenged, war breaks out, eventually the rebellion always wins, and peace returns.
And history repeats itself. Everybody gets comfortable, another opening for tyranny presents itself, and someone takes it. Etc, etc.
I'd argue we're living on the brink of just one such cycle ourselves right now within the EU and the USA.
@@TheStraightestWhitest I have a few issues with that theory. The first is the idea that "rebellion always wins", which just isn't true. As often as not, rebellions just escalate beyond sense and knock the house down, or provoke a crackdown, and leave everybody in an even worse and more miserable situation than they started in, providing even more opportunity and leverage to abusers of power in the process.
The second is that that 'cycle' implies both that things don't change for the better without an explosive revolution, and that progress also isn't sustained over time, neither of which jams with modern human history.
I'd argue that what's happening in the EU and the USA right now is that Flint's side of the argument has tried to take over our culture. People have gotten drunk on progress and totally forgotten to think about the very real costs and pitfalls, and that has all sorts of destabilizing effects. Loss of mutual trust across the political spectrum, the polarization of every issue to discourage debate, people being driven disproportionately into the opposite camp in sheer protest while the remainders insulate themselves more and more in their own bubble, escalating the tension and paranoia while distracting everyone from the issues we actually agree need to be handled...
Some sort of explosive confrontation seems possible, I agree with that. Whether it ever NEEDED to happen in the first place is another matter entirely. That progress will win, or that the aftermath will be more peaceful and just than what used to be the status quo, is something I seriously doubt.
@@TheStraightestWhitest Can't speak for your government, because it's definitely not mine, but I have a hard time imagining any elected official getting a hard-on for forcing people to wear masks while the economy is about to topple and departments are being cut left and right.
Maybe give the mask thing another few months before going to war over it? There are definitely instances of power being taken and then freely released, both historical and contemporary. I don't know where you got the idea that there isn't.
My go-to approach is to first consider whether people are being dumb, and then whether they know more than I do. Sometimes it's worth trusting that things aren't as bad as someone else can make them sound, and that people are trying their best even if you expected better from them.
How do you know the disease is a hoax?
@@noxluxe8674 the disease isn't a hoax. It's real. And it should be treated with concern. But it's vastly overblown and the response is 90% a political power grab. You know about The Great Reset? This is not a conspiracy. It's out in the open. Just Google it. World Economic Forum website. The lockdowns around the world actually don't make scientific or economic sense. They are using the virus to enact economic destruction globally. The Great Reset by the World Economic Forum has commercials saying things like "in 2030 you'll own nothing and you'll be happy." They are using leftist policies and pushing "global warming" to destroy the common man. High taxes for green energy that actually doesn't equal less carbon footprints....Covid lockdowns to destroy small businesses and make us more reliant on corporations. Big tech media silencing and removing anyone who goes against the narrative. Politicians saying to follow the science while they do the opposite with massive overreactionsand restrictions. I'm not some right wing conspiracy theorist. I'm very centrist. I don't believe all of global warming is a hoax. I like that gay marriage is a thing. I believe is some government services. But it's increasingly obvious to me that globalists have subverted both parties in america, although mostly the left, and they exaggerate leftist talking points and issues for mass hysteria in order to create compliance for authoritarian goals. BLM is run my self admitted marxists. Marxism is all power grabs. It's just a tool to create division ran by people who blatantly admit it. Yet people think it's about helping black people. It's nothing but leftist political grabs. None of this is liberal in the slightest. It's leftist.
@@Biggiiful I’m sure there’s truth in here but consider whether you’re really thinking for yourself or repeating yet another narrative we’ve heard over and over again online that starts with masks and ends with Karl Marx and “globalist elites”- even if it isn’t the “mainstream” narrative you’ve been told, it’s still a narrative you’ve been told.
Can't believe I finished this masterpiece in 2020.
I envy you mate, wish I could relive that rn!
I finished it 2 days ago. Wow. What ride.
Finished it today and it is truely a masterpiece!
Finished it today absolutely amazing
@@gingeroverseer9302 I experienced it when it came out, im just experiencing Battlestar Galactica another masterpiece
Finally someone did this whole scene
The pain in both of their eyes when the gun comes up, goddam I love this show.
Glad people are rediscovering this brilliant series with the best main character ever
The writing. The acting. The effects. Just a masterpiece.
Fucking hell man this is like a Shakespeare play. Amazing writing
If Madi would have died for real he would have followed Flint to the end and watched the world burn. Only with finding her was he able to pull back and see just how horrid the situation was. Whether or not he killed Flint he believed Thomas could make him see the same. Watching these two men’s journeys has been a true experience.
Vane, Rackham, Silver, Flint.... this show had some great characters, and the development of them was masterfully done.
this.
This is the best written scene in the history of television. Every single line gives me more chills and more emotions than the previous one. Two characters who deeply care for one another, two characters that I love and don’t want to see hurt, both begging each other to see a way out where they don’t have to kill each other. Chills. Chills all up and down me.
You know what I never realized before? As flint is making his final case to Silver and Silver responds back with “this isn’t about England” the way flints face just drops as I think that’s the first time he truly heard how far into the dark he went that he couldn’t even see anymore
It’s interesting, I actually always took it as Flint being shaken out of his usual (incredibly effective) speechifying. He’s always had a way of speaking that convinces people to do what he wants and this to me was Silver cutting him off and showing him that it wasn’t going to work this time… that the spell he’d been able to cast on him and so many others, time and time again, had broken.
I think he also heard an echo of Miranda's words then: "I think you're fighting for the sake of fighting! Because it's the only state in which you can function. The only way to keep that voice in your head from driving you mad!"
This is simply BEAUTIFUL!!
I believe Flint subconsciously chose Silver as his underling.
I believe that Flint knew deep down inside that only someone like silver could actually rescue Flint from Flint!
Dark and beautiful. Yet frightening in its implications!
🫡🫡🍻🍻😰😰🔥🔥
The pure anguish on both their faces, in both their voices breaks my heart every single time. Rewatching this show with my mom after she expressed some interest literally just after I finished the finale and there's so many little bits of dialogue from Flint and Silver, not necessarily to each other, that take on such a different life and meaning after having watched the finale. Truly masterful storytelling; this is how you write a masterpiece of a show
thank you for uploading the clips in their entirety.
I know "there be dragons" is the one everyone talks about. but my favourite is the "all this will be for nothing". I feel that is Flint at his most honest, he is desperate, he wants to be something. the dialogue also single-handedly changes the meaning of "treasure island" as a fictional book within the black sails universe, being a part of the lies that are told about pirates.
It's always made me think of all the different cultures and people throughout history, whose voices were just lost in time or to more 'civilized' ones and simply didn't make it into present day, and of whom all that is left are 'monsters' that current-day 'civilized' people tell in stories to their children. That and Toby Stephens of course delivering the line perfectly.
To me my favourite part is shortly after that line when Flint foreshadows Silver's story in Treasure Island. Madi won't be enough for him, and he'll end up chasing his past again.
@@timovangalen1589 Yep...that one line pretty much made me re-read the whole book right afterwards!
I remember reading that the creators of the show thought of Treasure Island as a book that would be written about the characters. So Flint was right. 'Civilised' society produced art and propaganda that turned pirates into caricatures, and Long John Silver became one of the most famous pirate caricatures of them all.
I constantly find myself reminding people that Treasure Island IS the story that a teenaged boy narrates to fit his storytelling needs and also depends on that teenaged boy's recounting of stories that other people (like Silver and Billy) told him based on their own storytelling needs! Why believe even a single thing someone like Silver tells Jim about the past? And why do we believe every single detail that this teenaged boy is narrating to US as having happened? Treasure Island is stories (from pirates to a boy) inside of a story (told by a teenage boy) inside of a story (written by Stephenson).
man i can't believe such a masterpiece exists
"...that you gave it away, in this moment, on this island." Seriously, i cannot think of a single character's monologue as brilliantly written and delivered, in any TV show or even in all of film, as much as this one is in this scene. Seriously one of, if not the single greatest TV show ever made. I mean, to think that somehow "The Sopranos" is better than "Black Sails", is just just incomprehensible to me, and yet that's the show everyone lists as being number one or at least in the top three. This show in every single way blows that out of the water and this sequence is a perfect example of why it does
I must one hundred percent agree. All of my friends consider the "modern" tv shows awesome and number one and etc... but Black Sails man.. that show is just a masterpiece.. the writing.. the cinematography.. the music.. the dialogues.. the plot. I just find it to be the best thing ever made.. not a single movie nor any show I have ever seen has come remotely close to being somewhat comparable to this masterpiece.. it is is simply outta this world
@@fattelyah7512 amen!
The actor played flint just nailed it. What a remarkable performance he given in the entire show, i always liked him despite the deeds he done at some situations.
This was so captivating. It felt like I was there and experiencing Flint’s disappointment and hopelessness with him. Incredible acting
God… I just finished the show and I just can’t take this scene out of my head… had to watch it one more time again…
Starz went on a tear with the Spartacus series (RIP Andy) and then this under rated gem.
One of my favorite scenes of all time. Amazing acting, stellar score, perfect physical surroundings, and some of the best dialogue I’ve ever heard on tv. The writers laid bare the complex, and often subtle or hidden, motivations of the two most important characters that defined the arc and ethos of the entire show, and were able to do it with a bow and without being condescending or overly didactic. Bravo!
One of the most important key-scenes. Absolutely BRILLIANT!!!!! 🏆🏆🏆🥇🥇
No other TV-series or FILM, that has ever been launched, comes even close to BLACK SAILS.
What a MASTERPIECE of actor-talent, first of all, the two Main Characters, John Silver and James McGraw alias Captain Flint, who played their impressive role very genuine and with a maximum of authenticity.
I will always remember flint he was awesome he will always be close to my heart
Black Sails truly was perfection from the opening of the pilot to the grand finale of season 4. 🏴☠🏴☠🏴☠🏴☠
they/the writer(s) said it all; spoke for us, our ancestors and futures. Thank you for sharing/uploading this.
That “some day” part hit deep.
He was right too. Silver did come back for the chest in Treasure Island, 20 years later.
if there would be a book series full of this incredible dialogues and story. omg I would buy it instantly
is there? have you found any show even close to this quality? please let me know if you did, i would also instantly buy it
I love how Flint letting his guard down with Silver and allowing him to be known by another he can call friend is what saves him. saves them both.
the journey of Black Sails is so worth it for their presence and story alone
I don’t think flint was saved. He was stabbed in the back, and most likely lies dead on that island
This show blew my mind, I loved every second of it
This scene is with me daily
One of the best shows..just wish they would've made another season or two but still a great show
Could not possibly agree with you more, as much as i adore the show i think it`s painfully obvious they were planning more.
To finish it up perfectly they definitely needed at least 1 more season.
Just finished it today. What a series so underrated. What i dont get tho why didnt peter ashe just told miranda and flint that thomas is still alive (if he is truly alive). It was mentioned that the governor of carolina knows the institution... that's what made me believe that silver really did kill flint and just made up that story
@@annnoan5439 Perhaps he was still trying to repent for what he did by agreeing to Flint's plan. About pardoning Nassau, and if he revealed he knew, all that would go away. He won't be Governor of Nassau.
Honestly I think it went on for a good amount of time. Wouldn't want it to overstay its welcome. But some sort of Treasure Island, or random spin off would be great
@@grizzlymelon8376 They actually weren't planning for more seasons. Since the bignning it had already all been mapped out that there were only going to be four seasons, and personally I'm glad they ended it when they did, on a high in terms of quality instead of dragging it out due to fan pressure and risking it becoming a shadow of what it was, as many shows often do.
This turned into really good writing I think. I don't watch many TV shows, but I read alot. Flint and Silver (and to some extent Billy Bones) are in my opinion really well developed characters
Don't forget Charles Vane
@@uhtredofbebbanburg5493 And my man Jack Rackham!!
Encapsulates a great deal of our current issues in the West. A very underappreciated show here.
Flints facial expression when John interrupts him @5.43 Amazing acting !!!!
Flint was born about 70 years too early. He would have loved the American Revolution.
I think he’d really struggle with the contradiction of “All men are created equal” being written by enslavers.
Man..what a duo💜 what a serie! I don’t know how many times I’ve watched but are always this moments that makes me a little sad..😢 I miss them😭
One of my favorite aspects of this show are the moments of camaraderie between characters. As few and far between they may have been
Man ive watched game of thrones. Vikings, Breaking bad Raised by wolfes... But for mee Black sails is nr 1
What a blessing this show is
This is some of the most intelligent dialogue I’ve ever see .
“Nassau, thereabouts… can’t you see it?”
Very telling line.
Silvers face too as Flint is talking about leading a pirate fleet and starting a revolution. Silver already knows it’s not going to happen and you can see it in his face, then he turns and says “I cannot do it without you”.
Breaks my heart.
thank you for uploading this, some of the best scenes in the show
top5 en las mejores series de la historia.
Recién la descubri y terminé este año , y tienes toda la puta razón. Esta serie necesitó mayor publicidad y difusión porque está al nivel de vikings o got
"I don't care."
"Someday... you will..."
And thus Treasure Island occurs.
My favourite show. Masterpiece
Show is insanely good. Wow
I haven’t even watched an episode yet, but I’ve watched this clip like twice day for a month now...
A True Friend. That is what is so heart wrenching about these two. Under the darkest circumstances they still cared for each other, and it is beautifully written.
I loved. Flint in black sales he is s wonderful actor i love the guy is eyes are a pretty blue he is so handsome❤
I love these two. They have wonderful and dynamic relationship, built on trust and Friendship. This is how you walk a friend back from a cliff.
What I love about this series is it basically combines the lore of Treasure Island with real world history. Nassau (Bahamas) was a pirate base, which was ultimately conquered by the British Royal Navy. In the novel, Captain Flint was described as a somewhat mysterious character, with no motives beyond a love for treasure. Long John Silver's motive was claiming Flint's treasure, until he grew a liking to Jim Hawkins.
Here, Captain Flint is some kind of revolutionary who dreams of a free world for all downtrodden, be they pirates, fugitives, or slaves. John Silver however is a realist. He knows this is a war they can't win, so he tells Flint what he always wanted to hear: That his true love was waiting for him.
I almost forgot to watch this today
One of my top 10 favorite shows, and i lucked out and picked up all 4 seasons on dvd at a book sale for $5.00, and they were like new...
Definitely in my top 3 of favorite series ever!
Thank you
Up there with breaking bad for me. Enjoyed ever single minute of it
Not only flint and Madi me also desperately want that war in black sails
some of the best writing of all time
i wish there were more shows and series like Black Sails, .... this was an epic ride with deep dialogues ... does anyone know anything even close to this? i appreciate it.
Turn is really good and similar. I actually like Turn more in many ways. Last Kingdom is also a good similar show.
@@JesusChrist2000BC Thank you brother
It is the History of Our Ancestors that shapes our ambitions and courage
It's hard to be that person to be that pirate but hope remains if you
ur willing to persevere.
I've watched this video more than 100 times
Thank you so much for uploading this!
Imagine thinking Captain Flint compromises.
It's 2020 & while I'm watching this brilliant tv series, I still generally feel really gutted that black sails is over, it would be crazy not to have a spin off of some kind on what happened to jack, Anne, silver, Mary reed, max, fetherston, idele, Maddie, & I hate to say it woods Rodgers & billy!
Most of them were arrested shortly after the ending if i got the timeline right, a prequel on how they came to be pirates would warrant a spin-off.
I totally agree with you Alex, we all pretty know what happened to jack & the rest of his crew, but I would love to know what really happened to Anne bonny? Did she get out by her rich father or did she get help to escape from the prison & start a new life in Virginia?!🤔
@@alicezecevich2654An interesting question yet we have not a confirmed historical answer, all we know is both her and Mary Reed pleaded for belly to delay their execution, Mary died to sickness but we dont know when and where Anne died, she could make an open to interpretation character i would say.
If Anne did live to a ripe old age, I find it fascinating that their could be distant relative's that could be still alive & that leaves me with another question I wonder if Anne's family (down the line) had to stay quiet with who their were related too to protect Anne if she survived?!
@@alicezecevich2654 Since we have no historical facts to limit the possibilities of Anne's narrative, then it is free game for a writer, as long as he /she makes it work like a charm, i would want to see a spinoff with the same actress, maybe with other recurring actors from black sails.
I watched this show live when it was airing and loved it, and ive been able to turn quite a few people onto in the years since it ended, and I still find it a better series than game of thrones, and I lived game of thrones, but sails ending made more sense, and great care was taken with all of the characters and writing
So powerful!
literally just finished the series. What a show. RIP Kekold
Black sails and Spartacus are my favourite series.
#FlintWasRight
Would’ve been cool to see a proper Treasure Island adaptation continuing on from this
It's such an underhanded thing but such an ingenius solution. Something you'd only do for someone you truly couldn't coutenance killing. For then John Silver couldn't have lived with himself either. People seem to balk at this compromise. It's the most human ending I could've imagined. Very well thought out.
Brothers of the coast
An unprecedented use of the word unprecedented. I can forgive these actors cuz this show was so good. I still to this day call liars out by saying “something less than the truth”. lol. This show has great writing
It may be just a movie, but it's so real... Flint's speach is just so actual!
Black Sails, Game of Thrones and Breaking Bad. Top 3 dramas ever created 💯
really good
moment , like Sheackspear
Funny isn't it. Silver expressed hope that they would be friends in the long run. Well...
I hated how Silver just destroyed everything so he could be happy
"There be dragons" -Paulie Walnuts
There be dragons T. Hey Shaggy, scrub my tires with some lysol and wipes. There is dog shit all over by the entrance
Long Live John Sterling Silver 🪙
now I want to know the ost of the battle of chapter XXIX
it's my favorite of the whole series
Brilliant nice job man 👌
I heard they are thinking about making a treasure island movie in 2027 I hope Luke Arnold put on the tricorn hat the circle will be complete
This ... This
This is the last time we see Flint in person. The final scene with him is being told by Silver, the story maker and liar. Silver tells us in the book that Flint drank himself to death. So I ask you, did he kill Flint or let him live?
I honestly believe he killed him. In episode 9 Flint tells Silver that even he can't make a story so believable that she will forgive him, and Silver proved him wrong by creating this happy ending story. Also after this scene you see some birds flying indicating a gunshot I think. Also when Rackam started narrating at the end he starts by sayind: " A story is true, a story is untrue". These are some of the reasons I strongly believe he killed him.
@@MohamedVallHamed23 this would all sound like a fun theory not to be taken too seriously, if not for the birds flying
@@joaomarcos2089 Yeah, definitely. This is some next level story telling.
One scene makes me think he did kill Flint and another makes me think he didn't.
After Silver returns to speak with Madi, he implores her with almost the exact speech he gave to Flint about "I'll stay here with you an hour...a day...a year" but he changes and adds to it. Why would he add to it or change it if it had worked earlier on Flint? Clearly because it DIDN'T work with Flint to change his mind and, thus, he had to kill him. And because of his love for Madi, Silver had to make sure the speech worked this time.
But when Rackham returns to Lady Guthrie in Philadelphia to tell her what happened, she asks him point blank if Flint was dead. Remember, her cooperation hinged on Flint being killed. So, if Flint was indeed dead, all Rackham had to do was say yes. But he doesn't. He says Flint is no longer a concern. He's retired and therefore not a martyr to the cause. I think they didn't kill Flint but really did subdue him to bring him to Thomas Hamilton. "A story is true, a story is untrue." It only matters what people believe. And having the people believe that Flint is still a dragon in the darkness who can return at any time is more useful than a story where they dropped him off to be with his lover at the gay farm.
@@allansmith680 Maybe Silver didn't want people to know Flint is dead cause that means he betrayed his friend(Flint)
"Silver never had the makings of a varsity athletes"