Day[9] Rant - How to Help Make Yourself Do Stuff
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- Опубліковано 26 січ 2024
- I was asked a question in chat about how to transition from a consuming mindset to a producing mindset, and this was my answer!
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*Me not writing the presentation I should be working on*:
"Wow, this is great advice! I enjoy this! Let's watch more day9 right now!"
This has to be the most detailed version of Shai LeBoufs "DO IT!" I've ever seen lmao. Thank you
That short section on quality really resonated with me since I spent the last 2-3 months trying to up my pizza game. The greatest thing about producing a lot of "garbage" is that it gives you ample opportunity to evaluate and improve.
Yeah that's the thing about learning, you cannot pay attention to failure/success because you're still learning.
Damnit Day9, you're so motivational. 1 decade later, I look you up, and you're still so damn motivational. I'll resub.
This is something I've noticed in successful creative people --- they keep a work schedule and force themselves to at least "show up" even when they're not feeling it
I'm not successful creatively (...yet) and I think my main hang up is that I try to line up my creative work with times when I'm feeling inspired. It's a symptom of perfectionism. Good rant.
yep. Need to understand what you see from other people is years of work, not just their final perfect product.
9:21 made me laugh out loud! "you have this idealized workspace..." and it cuts to him in front of a dozen animals just hammering on this workbench
same 😂
It's true. I think it works for everyone different in the details. But I have an uncle who was in the army. At some point I asked him: "You know what, I feel unmotivated. The army has dicipline. How do I get a little of that?"
He told me: "Make your bed everyday to start with. Because, for better or for worse, it means that everyday you've done at least one thing!"
I put it into practice and by doing stuff, it made me feel good and increase my productivity. I started doing more and more on a daily basis. This had two effects on me. I way more shit down and second I was enjoying my free time a lot more because it feels deserved.
That's my take on it anyway, it's different for everyone. But I hope it may help some people all the same.
I deliberately never do my bed cause it just slows me down in the morning. I'll want to stay in bed longer to avoid doing my bed 😅
Instead I go warp 10 right away and open my notepad on my laptop and start making plans.
Still dropping pearls of wisdom Sean, you've had such a great influence on my life. I still use lessons from being relentlessly positive in my day to day, this is another banger. Thank you for being epic as always
my current therapist has told me "action before motivation" is the way that stuff gets done. also my new medication lets me actually do stuff and be productive and have a better mindset about everything
Love this, You and PirateSoftware's Thor are so amazing at making it actually sound doable :) Doesn't matter what it is in life someone is going through, working on, figuring out, or what-have-you, you both have such a good way of convincing people to just do it anyway because some of the "bad stuff" will translate to some good stuff and some amazing stuff :)
A nugget here that really resonates with my own experience is that a person who can do something is the person who practices even when they don't want to.
Playing guitar and running are the two biggest examples from my life. Going on a run when I'm tired or bummed or it's raining or it's cold is the difference between "I run" and "I'm a runner."
And the hardest part is going out and starting the run. Literally every other part of it feels better. And of course having done the run feels awesome.
Neil Gaiman has explained that when he's getting to work, he goes and sits at a table. With his writing supplies. And he can either write or do nothing. He's not forcing himself to write, but he's taking away distractions. So when he sits there doing nothing for a minute, he finds that he would rather write, and he does.
Yeah sometimes it's super helpful to recalibrate your dopamine options in order to find work interesting. Doing Nothing is like the least fun option, so writing starts to sound pretty fun pretty quickly
I think learning was the key for me in creating a game. I learned to code last year, and the learning and seeing my ideas actually implement into a game using my own brain was very addictive. This fuels passion, and once you have passion for it, it becomes enjoyable instead of a chore.
but passion always wears out and chores are always there. Game development is a big hard work, full of passion and full of chores
@@MrKinein its true. I hit a wall trying to implement a steam leaderboard into my game. Having to learn some new stuff about debugging. Its taken me months to figure out (and im still trying to figure it out right now!)
My original objective was to create something simple and actually release it. Rather than having a huge complex idea which would be impossible for a solo developer noob like me to actually achieve. I think keeping it simple for me was also key. I have friends who have got halfway through large projects and given up because the scope was too large for them.
OMG, I never considered unplugging my Internet but now I'm really excited about the prospect of working without the Internet of distractions at my fingertips. You're right, I can take extreme measures.
During the course of writing my PhD thesis, I found there were two factors that were the most important to being productive: Convenience, and this notion discussed here of "just do stuff, regardless of quality".
First point is to make it as simple and easy as possible to go from not doing the thing, to doing the thing. If you're writing using a text editor or something, set up a schedule to open it on startup when you turn on your pc; bam, it's now so convenient, if you're sitting at your pc, it's already open. If it's a physical thing you're trying to do, move it next to your desk. Have it within arm's reach.
The second point is to not care about results. Write shit. Write *something* though. I'd write entire sections in five minutes, by writing literally "put a paragraph here about how X works" over and over. When I had the overall outline of a section, basically a list of all the things I wanted to write, I could then just write one of those at my own leisure without having to worry about how it fit into the wider context of the document. If I was feeling particularly lazy, I wouldn't even write a paragraph, I'd just write shitty garbage sentences like "explain how Y works. this sentence should describe the relation between A and B. also mention C. talk about that equation you can't remember. obvious the equation should go here." ...again, quality doesn't matter, it's just fleshing things out bit by bit, in a way that you can just come back to and fit easily later. On a day you're feeling productive, you can address so many of these things with absolute ease, because you made it easy for yourself. ...and this is how I became a doctor. I'm a genius, but I'm also an idiot.
As grubby once said, the most succesful people are those that do the unfun parts that everyone else is trying to skip.
Love this perspective! Thanks day 9. You the man!
Very interesting thing. Going from and back to work can be "void" time for most people. Which is the thing most people lack when doing home office. In both switch directions.
Thanks for always talking it out. Appreciate the support consistent effort and care.
What a great clip. Thanks to whomever took the time to edit and upload this!
"When you're going through Hell, keep going."
Man I've been struggling with doing stuff recently. I pole dance and most of my time doing that is spent in classes where I have some built-in accountability. I can't afford classes right now, and I have a pole at home but I'm not using it. I'm not just doing stuff. I need to do ANYTHING AT ALL so I don't lose my strength, but I keep waiting for the right conditions. Those just aren't happening. You gotta just do stuff though. I want it to be this great training session every time I train, but my biggest takeaway from this rant is I need to release myself from the expectation that it'll be perfect or enjoyable or beautiful or whatever. The goal should just be to DO. ANYTHING.
Excellent insight here. Recently made the big decision of going back to finish college. Back then and even now I'd find myself paralyzed when trying to go about doing homework or even other things like trying new skills or hobbies. Doing stuff is as simple and as difficult as just doing it. But simply being aware of that fact makes it so much more tangible. Thank you!
When trying to separate the editing brain from the writing brain, a psychiatrist friend recently told me about a "silly party hat" trick.
When he was writing his dissertation, his ability to make progress on the paper was inhibited by his constant desire to edit as he wrote (I think most writers will know this feeling). Then his mentor came in and explained his "silly party hat" trick.
'Get a silly party hat and wear it when you sit down to write. While you have the silly party hat worn, YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO EDIT. Focus on WRITING WORDS onto the page. AFTER you have put words onto the page, then you take off the party hat, and THAT IS WHEN you can edit your paper.'
Humans are creatures of habit. Similar to how Day9 said to designate work spaces or conditions that are appropriate for us, maybe the "silly party hat" trick can help somebody. I don't have a silly party hat, but for me I've found out that I have a mental association between the piano piece Gymnopedie, by Erik Satie, and my ability to engage in homework. When we compartmentalize certain activities to specific parameters and enforce those behaviors overtime, it can have significant impact on our productivity.
... I think.
I'm gonna try this out, thanks man!
I have the honor of officiating my sister's wedding. It's terrifying to think about, but I need to focus on rehearsing and this video came at the perfect time.
I've done two, and have a third scheduled, best advice I can give is remember it's about them and everyone's gonna be looking at them. All you gotta do is not stutter (I did both times 😊) and remember to tell the guests to sit down once the couple are both up there
You're a badass. Thanks for the advice@@snakeman2058
How strange. What I learned about myself from listening to this is "The misery is a feature, not bug? If had to choose between making myself miserable or never releasing my ideas, I'd choose never making my ideas 99 times out of 100. I should just move on." I just got over years of misery due to untreated psyche issues, for me to do that to myself on purpose would need to be especially worth it.
I think your conclusion is super valid, but I would offer a reframe: how would it feel to CHOOSE to be miserable, instead of misery being FORCED on you by your psyche issues?
For me, for years, my anxiety disorder ruled my life. Now that I have it under (relative) control, to say “I am going to do this scary, miserable thing because I want to-I desire the results” has been a way I’ve reclaimed misery. It’s a choice, now, and suddenly that makes it feel a whole lot less bad. I weened myself into it, giving myself the right to just s t o p. Over time, I wanted to stop less and less.
Just an alternative perspective!
Sean, this is something I was thinking about a few days ago and here you are just in time! You're the best!
Me too, holy shit this is a weird coincidence.
Here are 2 cents I want to add, I've been watching a bunch of productivity stuff for the last few days on youtube, like the compound effect, deep work, and some mark mason stuff and there seems to be a commonality between all of them. All of them seem to point to the theme that just starting to do stuff brings the momentum to keep doing stuff, not the other way around. Start small, like literally open a file or create a new unity project. Let that momentum carry you forward.
Another rant time. We day9 frogs love rant time
A lot of the things you mention here Sean, are very similar to 'the cult of done', a manifesto written by Kio STark and Bre Pettis in 2009. 'no boilerplate' has a good video on it.
You highlight some of the points (banish procrastination, accept that editing is a draft, pretending to know what you do is the same as doing etc) but there's a couple of more.
For anyone interested a highly insightful video that might help you find YOUR way to get stuff done.
I absolutely applied this in my early university days and boy did it work. This thing of shutting the thoughts that are irrelevant to the things you're doing. Sometimes it is hard if you're worried, or stressed or have a lot of responsibilities, but there are things (like sitting on the toilet) you can do to quiet your brain down a bit.
For me it's to go outside and walk around my house, in the garden preferably, for about 5 minutes. That is enough for me to realize there is shit that needs to be done.
The next part is actually sitting my ass down on the PC and close any programs unrelated to the shit I want to get done, and just typing away. The rest comes along.
I don't really follow your gaming, but I love your personal rants. I still go back to your 3 hour StarCraft life video every once in a while:)
- Do things!
- Have a schedule
- Have a dedicated workspace for focusing - I totally agree with the single monitor. Back in school I studied much more effectively on a separate desk to where I played games (it was literally 1m away, but made a massive difference).
Btw I prefer lying on my bed than sitting on the toilet 🤣
It's so easy to talk yourself out of effort.
It's also amazing what excluding sugar does to your energy levels if you've been eating too many carbs for years. Lethargy from bad metabolism is also an increasing curse on society.
This is an exact topic ive been going to therapy for haha, Day9 is pretty much saying the same exact thing a therapist says here too. One thing my therapist has added though, you can trick yourself into doing it though. If its a task you doont want to do, try telling yourself that you WANT to do it over and over. You can almost whip the thought around. TRY to be excited about the process of doing even if your body feels otherwise.
For those that want to hear more of this sort of advice, Sean described:
The benefits of Meditation/quiet contemplation
Being mindful of your Dopamine seeking behavior and how to reduce it
Short vs long term goal management
The importance of progress, goal oriented self discipline, and focusing on 'good enough' instead of 'good'
Good stuff dude.
producing shit (even just for yourself) is so much better than mindlessly consuming.
You don't need to make it big for it to be worth it.
I am gonna try and follow this, I've been having such a hard time Just doing stuff lately I really need to get back to it.
The few seconds of black frames around 16:36 right after admitting to making some not great content feels like a very funny joke to me. I'm going to maintain this was 100% intentional, and I love it.
Action always does more than you think.
Love you D9
I enjoy when this man casts games, but I LOVE when Sean is ranting. Void time, baby!
Rant time!!
Rant Summary: Just do it!✅
I hate marketing in general but Nike using this as their slogan is probably the best advice anyone could give. Whenever I feel lethargic and unmotivated I just tell myself if I show up 90% of the work is done. Once I begin doing a task and give myself permission to slack off, 9/10 times the motivation manifests itself and I can accomplish the task.
The best part of the streams
I've came to a similar conclusion. For me it is in the back of my mind that when I work I miss something in other areas (gaming, relationship, friends, TV etc), and this makes me shift my focus from one thing to another all the time, generally leading to procrastination.
What I do for myself is kinda similar to what Saun said - in my mind I'll trade with myself saying - nothing more than the work for an hour, I'll sacrifice my hour of life solely for work, and it will be good in the end. So it's like I drop myself on the island where all I have is work, nothing to do more. There's a caveat that generally I "sacrifice" a small time, like hour or 2 or 3, not more, but in reality I work for longer, or take a break and work again.
So I don't think of "just doing any stuff", but giving myself fully for something that needs to happen, like a prisoner. Generally I enjoy what I do, but initial start is always painful
I really need more of this kind of advice about how to start doing stuff 😅
7:00 He described the basics of meditation.
Embracing the void could also be called meditating, which can also be called working out for your mind. Just like your body, it works better when you treat it properly.
(I say while struggling hard to keep doing it :D - Going for a short walk also helps me with practising mindfulness.)
hard agree with this bit
I don't feel motivated at all, but I will just do what I need to do anyway
Day9 can totally be a successful voice actor
sounds like "meditation"
This is perfect for people who are already motivated and just have trouble with how exactly to start doing things.
This is terrible advice for people who have trouble with doing things, on a similar level to "if you're depressed, try to be happy".
Thank you, Sean! So insightful as always!
Great tip about the monitors! I feel like I would have gotten so much more done if I never got a second monitor "for productivity"😂
Ever since the SC2 Day9 Dailies, I come here for 3 things:
- see him play and be an asweome person
- lee (and hear) him jump and scream while playing amnesia
- eat his nuggets of wisdom
Such a well rounded and awesome person!!
Oh damn. Where was this advice when I was learning these techniques on my own. Higher self and lower self
Learn to control yourself just to DO. Then control yourself to do the thing you want.
Every insurmountable mountain looks much smaller when you're in motion
Day9s advice. Just do it.
NIKE has entered the chat
First you think about doing things. Then you start doing things. Then you worry you can't do things. And suddenly...
Trumpets!
Can we turn your "Rant" videos into a motivational podcast? I would listen to that constantly while trying to get myself working.
I can't tell you how long it took me to learn all this. And for day 9 to articulate it so perfectly... Chef's kiss.
For the record, I've been working remotely for almost 15 years now. I have only really worked in an office maybe once or twice, and I hated it. When I started working from home, the beginning was so rough because I had to basically train myself to sit down and do so. Now, it's just automatic; when I need to go to work, I get out of bed, jump on my computer and start writing code... I also run a UA-cam channel where I teach people how to program; one of the key pieces of advice that I always give people is to just write code. You can follow my tutorials all you want, but if you are not tinkering with the code that I'm providing then you're not really going to be learning that much. It's one thing to be guided through learning a skill, it's another thing to practice it and for 99% of skills, mastery comes down to practicing.
Embrace the void :)
Another classic! And always great at the beginning of the year. I've always wanted to read or assemble text of your best, but your live delivery can never be replaced. Anyone who loved this, here's more:
ua-cam.com/play/PLgmCLtUkEutIO_A4tSlsK7JQ7RezSes9E.html
While in the Air Force I played a section of the 2021 AMA for a midnight motivation and we talked about anyone who wants something putting in the time and curiosity and effort in to get to any goal we might set for ourselves, as well as how to analyze failures, mechanical or otherwise, as arrows that point in the wrong direction. 🛠
I am actually going to buy a cheap work desktop, with no wi-fi and after I get what I need on it I will disconnect it from online and not even have the cord run into the room. It will have what I need to write, move stuff with a USB drive, no RGB lights, a good keyboard, and going to make my spare room just my room with my writing desk and that computer and nothing else.
and if you have ADD - recognize it and get treatment
Shia LaBeouf would approve
Embrace the beard, it calls to you
I was interested in learning the way to do stuff but then I saw that the video was 17 minutes
Helpfup as always.
Why does his character have so much cake?
I like the idea of focusing on the exact behaviors you’re trying to achieve - for example, sitting at the computer typing.
That said, I also like going from the opposite direction - focusing on the distraction. What need am I trying to meet by indulging the transaction? Am I tired and wanting to rest, so I turn to a distraction? Am I lonely and turning to a distraction to connect with others? Then I try to meet the need that the distractions are revealing, even if the distractions aren’t actually meeting those needs. Then I don’t need the distraction and can focus.
A missing piece here is that just creating in a way that makes you happy can be an extremely fulfilling passtime, even if you're not prioritizing a final product. American capitalist culture places all the value on publishing your novel, but noodling away on it for a decade can be equally meaningful. Personally, I try to have both creative projects where I am working towards an extrinsic goal, and other projects where I'm just enjoying the learning process and probably won't ever have a finished product.
how do you do stuff when you're sleep deprived?
need a constant supply of junk for that trunk
Damn day9 got old. Last time I watched him was 5+ years ago. Good to see him doing well
For every artist that has perfect looking products, there are 4 sketch books filled with garbage drawings and doodles. There are NO artists that ONLY made perfect works.
Start filling out those books.
Not as useful as Sean's words but hey, he has the channel for a reason and I don't.
I don't know, this idea of "you don't need to feel happy, motivated, inspired, just perform work in any way shape or form" feels quite dystopian to me. What it feels like you are basically saying is, try to disassociate with your own self, and become a mindless robot for a while, disregarding your feelings and simply performing. is that really a healthy habit? I guess maybe healthier than doing nothing at all, but not by much. If you feel demotivated perhaps once a week I can see this being useful. But if you feel demotivated regularly, like 4 out of the 5 workdays per week, this sort of approach will eat away on your sanity IMO.
“When you throw a rock into the water, it will speed on the fastest course to the bottom of the water. This is how it is when [Day[9]] has a goal, a resolution. [Day[9]] does nothing, he waits, he thinks, he fasts, but he passes through the things of the world like a rock through water, without doing anything, without stirring; he is drawn, he lets himself fall. His goal attracts him, because he doesn't let anything enter his soul which might oppose the goal. This is what [Day[9]] has learned among the Samanas. This is what fools call magic and which they think is effected by demons. Nothing is effected by demons, there are no demons. Everyone can perform magic, everyone can reach his goals, if he is able to think, if he is able to wait, if he is able to fast.”
― Hermann Hesse
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day9 this is unsolicited advice on how you look read at your own risk: the year is 2024. it is the future. i think hair plugs would look good on you, you should get them you wouldnt be the first or last
so meditate. meditation (to me at least) is the act of practicing concentration in and of itself.
also the monitor thing is crazy! i use my desktop for fun and my laptop for productivity. though that's gonna need to change in a little bit. but historically i've played video games on the multi monitor computer and written papers while sitting on the floor with the modern-day typewriter equivalent.