Return of the Creatard! - The Atheist Experience
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- Produced by the Atheist Community of Austin. The Atheist Experience # 797 Clip. Hosted by Matt Dillahunty & Martin Wagner. January 20, 2013.
Meet Kenny a full blown young Earther Creatard from Elk Grove, California. This isn't Kenny's first time in the logic hot seat. Kenny graced us with his special brand of "thinking" in TAE episode #721. It appears Kenny didn't use the time blazing new trails in critical thinking, because here he goes again. Kenny opens with a 60 year old research paper which he claims proves the radiometric dating process is unreliable. Although this research may be cutting edge for Creatards, both Martin and Matt casually point out the conclusions are not accepted by Scientific academia. Kenny is a perfect example of the flawed logic utilized by the Young Earthers and their ilk. Matt and Martin both display great patience with Kenny's ignorance, and it's entertaining watching Matt dissect his bullsh*t. Enjoy.
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If Hell exists, Kenny is there and everybody has to listen to him forever and ever.
Lol
Great comment!
Good
Not really I won't be there
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So Kenny believes the entire community of geologists is only about trying to cover up the evidence a 6,000 year old earth? What a lunatic.
Well in fairness he really has no choice. He needs to constantly look for some type of evidence, no matter how ridiculous, to prove that creationism is a viable explanation for the beginning of everything.
Allen Warner Well I guess he has no choice, if he's determined to remain an irrational bizarre ass hat.
It is simply the Christian persecution complex that the majority of Christians and YEC believers seem to have. It is all just emotional appeals and nonsense.
davids11131113 Woke!
GibranKG, you're a coward. You removed yourself from my comment section so that what? You can have the last word? That's pathetic. You can have the last word, I don't care about kid's games. I've explained to you the misconception in your view and that is that you define the divine as something necessarily supernatural. This is the very same reason Matt couldn't even consider a view on religion like Perennial philosophy.
Kenny's mom should take the phone out of the basement.
You are the smartest one here!
Or whatever closet he is hiding in ......................
His mom should give him two phones so he can talk to himself and not bother other people! Kenny is brain dead!
It's like talking to annoying furniture.
lmfao I laughed just as hard as I should have at this. Just the right amount of laughter.
Furniture that has swallowed a Christian Science textbook
Don't insult my furniture.
Like Kehlog Albran observed, "Arguments with furniture are rarely productive."
stan klein awesome
Science asks questions that may never be answered; religion preaches answers that may never be questioned.
"When a paper is out there for 50 years it becomes science."
Thanks Kenny. We appreciate the update.
Hilarious.
Monkey Butt Makes you wonder what he thinks of two papers of the exact same age with directly contradictory conclusions - what happens when they've been out there for 50 years? :P
Damian: it's like the matter-anti-matter system on the Enterprise...it can power a starship or destroy the universe!
Damian Freeman -All creationist scientists know the answer to that one: we find out which paper has the most coffee stains.
Batman is on paper and has been around for over 50 years Batman is science
all hail are Lord and Savior BatChrist
"we wrote so much that they couldn't handle it and they just shut down."
The only way creationists win any arguments at all. They throw out so much crap that it's impossible to respond to and debunk everything they say, even though it's all easily debunked.
Isn't that the actual conspiracy?
Yeah! Look up "the wedge strategy" I'm amazed that they believe they have this commandment against dishonest, yet they have to be dishonest in order to justify their faith. Kind of a catch 22.
fishcious
I've had lots of lengthy arguments with ID guys as I call them, because to me, their agenda is pretty clear. They are paid trolls that you can't argue science with because they are experts in dismissing it. This is the only thing that the Discovery Institute does.
The only way to have any discussion with them is to figure out how to expose their agenda, or if you are very very very lucky, teach them to rationalize, I don't expect to ever accomplish that, unfortunately.
@Irish Jester
How true. I remember the Ken Ham vs Bill Nye debate. Where the host turns to bill and says 'so Bill, what will make you change your mind?'
Bill turns and says 'if I am given proper evidence that is undeniable I will change my mind and accept creationism'
He turns to Ken 'so Ken, what will make you change your mind?'
'Literally nothing, there isn't a single thing ever that would make me change my position, you could prove literally everything I believe wrong, use a time machine to take me back and see "Jesus" rot until he was a skeleton and the flood didn't happen, and I still would believe'.
It's fucking silly, that the ones out in the public view that are the most vocal are the ones who say 'literally nothing could change my mind'. They just go to these debates to preach and get their message out to sell shit to their audience.
fishcious I believe it's their secret weapon - Lies and misinformation...
Listening to that guy on the phone I was losing the will to live....
You hear your braincells popping...
In other words he was killing science to bring in desert drama, and killing us to listen to him!
I love how he's proud he shut the discussion board down because he overloaded the servers, not because he was right in any way.
"If a paper's out there for 50 years it becomes science." That's the part where, despite trying to sound informed, he revealed himself as not having a clue what he's on about - very typical of creationists.
+Thomas Dugmore -- By that logic, evolution is proven beyond a doubt. They can't even keep their own shit straight; this is just one reason I LOL at the idea of 'creation scientists'.
+Tom Dugmore At 50 years it petrifies into a theory?
Bruce Baker
Or science just petrifies creationists in general!
Tom Dugmore
A plus, an actual LOL...and three points for you.
From his point of view, that's what, about 1% of the age of the earth?
Creationists are masters of False Dichotomy fallacies.
+Michael Johnson Sssshhhh. They may start putting M. FD after their names.
Of course the Masters degree comes after the Bachelor's. The B. FD.
They give us True Theist Creation idealists and Knowers a Bad name. You're right on that Mr atheist
Speaking of dichotomies, here are some we all accept to be true
The past is either eternal or finite
matter/energy was created ex nihilo or has existed in some form for all eternity
Either the physical realm has an explanation for its existence or it doesnt _law of sufficient reason._
Either an infinite regress of past physical events or states is impossible or it isnt.
The universe we observe could be described as either a lawless, lifeless chaos or a miracle (Einstein)
Either a Superintellect has monkeyed with physics or nobody has (Hoyle)
Either Roger Penrose is right in concluding the universe is fined tuned or he wasnt
Either the *abstract immutable laws of science* were invented by our brain chemistry or they were discovered
The pre-conditions of the BB, the independent constants of physics and the immaterial laws of science that make our universe rationally intelligible and life supporting require an immaterial explanation or they dont.
Biologists must keep reminding themselves that everything was not designed or just admit to the evidence as being overwhelming. (PCW Davies)
Either aliens seeded the earth to explain the origin of life here (Crick, Dawkins) or naturalists dont have a clue.
Either life is a blind undirected, unintelligent, bottom up process explained by "common descent" or a purposeful, suoer-intelligent, top-down process confirming "common design."
Either a naturalistic worldview explains ultimate reality or a purely physical reality is the better explanation.
"mindless matter is the only game in town" ! Is true or false
Either we were designed for a purpose or we're just a bunch of chemicals with no value, meaning or future
Either God exists or he doesn't
Either God cares about and has a purpose for creation or doesnt
Atheism is true or theism is
morality is just doing what is fashionable in some culture at some point in history or is the same for everybody
Morality is just socially contrived by each culture according to its own legislated, survival needs or it isnt.
(Some things are wrong even if everybody is wrong or some things are right even if no body is right.)
Trying to prove to ourselves that a "sky-daddy" God doesnt exist is a meaningless waste of our ever-diminishing life or it really does matter.
Either I'm going to end up as future worm fodder or there *is* life afterdeath.
I should be re-iterating all my hedonistic desires while I'm still able rather than wasting endless time in the dark dungeons of cyberspace trying to prove to these theists that their lives are a deslusion even if they lead happier, healthier more joyful and productive lives. Your choice!!
Matt: “You’re a young earth creationist, correct?”
Kenny: “Sure.”
He sounds proud of his ignorance.🤤
They actually are!
What I like best is the way they LOVE any science that seems to agree with them, but reject the scientific method entirely when it disagrees with them.
I thought they killed Kenny. Those bastards!
Kaycee K Hey, I have seen you in secular talk comment section several time and I think also in TYT :)
***** I get around...
Kaycee K
is that your real pic
***** Affirmative.
Kaycee K
Hail Satan! :D
Having got used to this level of idiocy, then along came flat earth and chemtrails.... Will it never end ?
Why do people like Kenny feel the need to stretch out falsehoods? Hoping atheists will just agree and say yes? Fucktard.
Sounds like Hank Hill’s older fundamental baptist brother
😂
I've lost the will to live. Can you imagine being stuck with this bloke at a party and not being able to escape! 😂
there is always an escape, j. it's called ritual suicide. LOL ... but seriously, j, you can never be trapped in a convo by a person, at a party or anywhere else. all you have to do is walk away. you don't have to make an excuse or even say anything at all. simply walk away...
I'm in sales for a small foundation repair company. I once spent 3 hours at a potential customers house listening to him discuss young earth creation and his God. I bit my tongue and eventually ended up getting the sale. I never once pretended to believe anything he was saying. I just let him talk and smiled while agreeing with him when he talked about helping people. You are correct in saying that I could have walked away. But it was my job to sit there and listen to him because I wanted to help fix his basement and I need to keep the company working for the sake of everyone employed there.
J Elcock I bet he’s a close talker too.
True hell!
This guy is a disgrace of my name.
And mine too
Me too. 😖
Kenny? I thought you were killed. Those bastards!
(around 3:00) Is Kenny praising himself for spamming a website?
Chris Collins , yes. It's a great victory for Religion, since they are no longer able to burn people at a stake.
The more I watch over the years, the more I appreciate Martin.
yeah, me too.
The Christian Persecution Complex is strong with this one...
Very right you are
Almost as bad as Donna Brazile, head of the DNC when busted handing pre scripted questions to 'a candidate', she said she's a Christian so stop persecuting her....disgusting!
davids11131113 She also said she was a woman as a defence of her corruption.
Yup. Being raised Baptist, I had this complex for 20+ years. When I was in high school I thought I was being persecuted when a non believing friend pointed out flaws with an article I posted about the supposed "proof" of a worldwide flood.
Also the Dunning-Krüger syndrome...
Oh, for fuck's sake will you get to the point!!
No, I love to hear my voice ........................
Amen!
I love that the moment Matt seems to take the most seriously in this whole thing is when Martin reminds him that the 6 million dollar man was also named Steve Austin. "Oh, true".
13:00 "He's head of the Geology Department at ICR" (That's the Institute for Creation Research, kids. The...geology department...of an anti-science woo factory. "And he's the World's Greatest Authority on..." yah, Kenny. I'm sure that your assessment and the world's assessment are identical. And that a "world's greatest authority" on anything except maybe Pinhead/Dancing Angel ratios would be working at the ICR...
17:00 Sounded like Kenny mentioned The Simpleton Foundation. He didn't. Probably called it, correctly, The Templeton Foundation. But it was pretty funny there for a sec.
The best explanation that I can come up with: "This Kenny is a guy who is very intelligent in some ways, but generally crazy."
I am an atheist. I also loved the XFILES Martin. I also realized that the XFILES was a work of fiction.
If creationism is scientific, how come industrialists doesn't use it to create products or hire creationists as part of their research and development team?
yussuq madiq very good point.
Radioactive decay exists in rocks; therefore God.
Matt killed Kenny!
That bastard!
'Rocks are on every continent on the planet....therefore young earth and creatardism is accurate and correct.'
No it's not.
Okay Kenny, let's grant you that all this crap about halos is true. How the shit does that get you closer to talking donkeys and zombies?
Jeeesus had him a halo, and he rode on a donkey, therefore the bible's true which proves Gaaahd amen
Talking Donkeys? OMG The bible stole from SHREK!!!!!
Ur not in a position to grant anything pal… just stick to your atheistic nonsense
What’s nonsensical in dismissing claims that not met their burden of proof?
@macysondheim7260 reality is nonsense but religious claims without evidence are not?
It's amazing how all these callers take forever to get to their questions and then blather on about tangents. This happens almost without fail.
They tried to end the call at 16:00....Kenny insisted on 5:00 more humiliation.
My son is a geologist , (earth science mineralogy) he said this stuff was researched and different opinions were canvassed and published , this guy is the usual cherry picker mentality to support their creationist point of view.
The Polonium Halo stuff was refuted in scientific papers about two years after Gentry published his findings. The claim that it hasn't been disproved is false.
...w h o would you say you can trust today!?!
REVIVAL NOW OR BUST ...are you busted for eternity!?! Not you, you're delusional bordering on insane.
REVIVAL NOW OR BUST ...are you busted for eternity!?! YOU LOOK LIKE A MAD-WOMAN... AAAUUUGGGHHH !!!
Moe Munny Ha Ha Ha. To be fair looks really have no bearing. However everything she says is barking mad too. And that really does have a bearing. These people simply cannot allow themselves to think reasonably. They actually suspect it will harm their pet beliefs. When you care more about that than you do about whether your honest beliefs are actually true, and comport with reality you will be, and sound delusional. Because you are.
rationalmartian someone s pet dis belief youmean
I have a fifty year old copy of Alice in Wonderland...
Alice in Wonderland is officially science!
NastyLittleBagginses Excellent! I've been wanting to try manipulating the chemical structure of the Drink Me Potion to market it as a cheap body-image-improvement product!
I know you have the weight of modern science on your side, and I know that the discussion I'm talking about is sixty years old, but there was a paper and and a scientist and god.
arthur- Is "god" male ... or female?
Liche Christ -Liche, is your ability to detect satire improbably poor ... or abysmal?
I don't think Kenny knows how academia works, or how peer review in the scientific community works - I think he wants to believe in conspiracies, because that makes him feel like he is in the 'know', without having to make an efford to get educated and use his brain to understand what science is actually about.
He doesn't know how a napkin works.,
Anything at all to make himself feel special.
This is my all time favorite of Matt...
"Kenny! ... Kenny! ... Kenny!"
Looks and sounds like Cartman, I bout peed.
Oh ..... my ... *GOD!!*
He killed Kenny!
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Kenny is using confirmation bias to try and make a sound argument.
I am pretty sure, that the education system doesn't recognise Creationism as a valid theory, but that science is fact
I recently did my A Levels at college, and in my exam I put the answer "Because God says so" to every answer, and shockingly I failed the exam.
All the answers on history, science, biology etc were all proper answers rather than saying "God did it" and I passed.
It's a funny world isn't it, a world that is clearly as a result of evolutionary advances and developments over many millions of years
jingpong chong Clearly, there must be some kind of conspiracy afoot :P (sarcasm)
unfortunately there are many schools out there that do teach creationism as an alternative to science. It is disgusting but it does happen. Look up creationism being taught in schools. There are actually some teachers that tell their students that Genesis is true and the Earth is only 6000 years old.
If creationists had their way you would have got every answer right and been awarded a grade A.
Thanks for all of your work over the years to help spread these videos and arguments! I’ve learned so much, especially when Matt was involved. I hope life is treating you well.
'Someone wrote a paper and no one wrote a different one, so this one's the best so it's right'
Sumarry of the first 12 hours of this video
I'm mentally handicapped and I approve the use of the word "creatard".
Kenny pretty successfully manages to hijack every show he's called in on. He's somebody with egregiously bad breath constantly getting in your face, even though you're desperately offering him breath strips, gum, mints, floss, dentists' numbers, etc. and he just does NOT get it. Obstinately stupid, what I call it.
I definitely have that image about him as well. Haha
I love this lol
Damn
'When a paper is 50 years old, it then becomes 'science'!'
lolol
so basically this guys argument is:
"this is not science it is conspiracy, and it is not peer review it is censorship."
and hen he said "he was peer reviewed three times and never published" what he really meant was he failed peer review three times.
this is insanity that people are so desperate to preserve their failed belief that they stoop so low and cry "conspiracy".
My favorite part of it was when he said "No it's just that the scientific community is run by atheists, there is no conspiracy theory."
He basically said "It's not that I made a conspiracy theory, it's just that I made a conspiracy theory. There's a difference, because one involves a conspiracy theory while the other involves a conspiracy theory."
CJCroen1393 and when he said:
"No it's just that the scientific community is run by atheists, there is no conspiracy theory."
i wanted to yell at him "tell that to my christian archaeology professor and my Hindu anthropology professor. neither of them are creationist."
America, where everything is a conspiracy apart from their religion
Why would something automatically become science after 50 years? 😒
Kurt Wise, an American 'young earth creationist' who serves as the Director of Creation Research Center at Truett McConnell University and has a PhD in paleontology from Harvard University.
He said : "I am a young age creationist because that is my understanding of the Scripture. If all the evidence in the Universe turns against creationism, I would be the first to admit it, but I would still be a creationist because that is what the 'Word of God' seems to indicate." ... THAT ABOUT SUMS IT UP.
Ken ham says much the same thing.
They are either complete morons or absolute liars.
I'm sorry, but this is entirely consistent. Of course a 50 year old paper has more credibility than more recent research. To YECs, the older a paper is the more validity it has. Hence the adoration of scripture.
On the other hand, this must mean the Old Testament is more valid than the New Testament...
Steely McBeam lol
Lol Kenny's clearly reading straight from a website
Even if Kenny is correct, we still have no evidence that the god of the Hebrews exists.
Return of the Creatard.................Best title ever -
I am waiting for "Yhe Christian Experience" phone in show to start.
Lol
"when something is 50 years out there is becomes science" roooooooooooooooofffffffffflllllllllllllllll
It's not a conspiracy theory, thats simply how science works. ❤️
I got married despite not being religious, because of the legal ramifications. I got married as a symbol of my commitment. There was no mention of religion in my ceremony, just rock music and poetry.
And my marriage is still going strong, despite the irony in the ONE SINGLE person who mentioned the lack of religion being twice divorced :)
Santa and god are the same they both say if you be good you get rewarded :D and they are both fake.
Devan Hale But with Santa, you actually get rewarded on an annual basis...
Whereas the Tooth Fairy is the ultimate evil capitalist. She gives you money when your teeth fall out so that you'll buy sweets and cause the rest of your teeth to fall out. Then she takes the teeth she has collected and turns them into dentures which she sells back to you after your 2nd set of teeth have fallen out. I know she exists 'cause I once had money under my pillow when I left a tooth there.
I wholeheartedly agree. And, for the record, Santa is much less of an extraordinary claim than a god/gods. Logically speaking, Santa is MORE plausible than a god/gods.
Santa is better though because you just have to be good, not condemn others, believe in an immoral book as the word of Santa to get the gifts, you only get coal if you’re bad instead of eternal damnation and the only offering he asks for is cookies and milk.
Come on Chris3 or whatever other feeble faceless pseudonym u hide behind. You know all the arguments for God's existence, not least the very ironical fact that u and millions like you waste endless hours in cyberspace desperately trying to prove to themselves their dubious lifestyle choices have no consequences beyond their immediate effects. Ask yourselves *what evidence should we expect to find for God and what evidence do we observe that might indicate He doesnt exist?* So which argument would u like to offer a facts-based, point-by point rebuttal?
* why there is something rather than nothing
* the finitude of past time and thus creation ex nihilo
*the origin of all time, space and matter (existence from non existence)
* every thing that comes into existence, needs a cause
* our finite universe needs a cause beyond itself
* the impossibility of an infinite regress of past finite events or states
* the uncaused cause, the unmoved mover (Aquinas)
* the rational intelligibility of our awe-inspiring the universe
rather than the "Chaos" as Einstein suggested?
* the "miracle" we do observe rather than a lawless, lifeless chaos (Einstein's observation)
* the impossibility of naturalism to explain the origin and existence of all the universal immutable and *immaterial* laws of science
* the fact that such laws are defined by and written in the metaphysical language of abstract mathematics
* exquisite fine tuning and design of i) the 4 independent physical forces ii) the pre-conditions of the Big Bang iii) the fine tuning of numerous physical constants e.g. the expansion rate (Lambda) accurate to 1 x 10^123 necessary for the universe to exist at all.
* the objective moral argument cf. whatever is fashionable in some culture at some point in history
* the awesome beauty and biodiversity we observe in nature
* the most dominant issue in all human history that nearly every individual in nearly all cultures at most times in history have searched for meaning and transcendence aka God.
* the fact that atheist "biologists must constantly remind themselves that what they see was not designed but evolved." (Crick and Dawkins)
* the complete inability of Darwinian ideology to explain cosmic and chemical evolution and thus Creation.
* the origin, existence an incredible complexity of DNA as the blueprint for life. (information is not material)
* Common descent Vs common design in evolutionary theory
Are u willing to follow the evidence where it leads or are u like Jean Paul Sartre whose circular reasoning says it all *"if God exists I am not free Since I am free, therefore God does not exist."?*
Kenny is sitting in his little room somewhere and just persistently ponderously looking for false evidence
'What is my evidence for young earth of around 6,000 years? 'Prodigy Online Service'.
Oh well....CHECKMATE, non believers!
Somebody baptism me, quick!Oh wait, they did when I was a helpless infant.
davids11131113 Either you are joking or you are an idiot. So which is it?
Michael Dennis......um, derp?
Man, if people like Kenny were the spearhead leading our scientific discoveries, we would still be flinging shit at each other...
O my god! They killed Kenny!
I can't find any reference to a peer-reviewed paper by Austin that was never published.
More than likely it was published in some creationist rag, not in a legitimate science magazine.
Kenny is trying to smell the colour 4
An unbeatable tag-team! Great work, fellas! That Dumb Earth Creationist never knew what hit him!
Kenny is grasping at the straws with these studies.
Omg
Steven Austin😂😂😂😂😂
Matt- You are my hero. Every podcast I watch you're saying things that I have been thinking for years I'm a theist and I think all religions are just a form of control over humans and I applaud you over and over for how patient you are with most of these people who just cannot open their eyes to reality. Thank you for your service to mankind. If I had to give out a medal for critical thinking and arguing against religious hypocrisy you would need a trophy case my friend.. Keep up the good fight!
-Atheist Liz in Utah
Martin. I watch X-Files. I love X-Files. I am an atheist. I realize X-Files is FICTION. My atheism is in no way threatened by the X-Files. I submit most who watch X-Files view it only as fiction. You seem to have the idea that the X-Files is an evil plot to destroy critical thinking.
this caller is a waste of time
None of them are even capable of listening and comprehending a simple question.
@Max Orbit Kinda reminds me of all Jesus believers I've ever met
And oxygen, food, space etc.
No he is not.
Dont give up on humanity.
That's super religious.
So here's the question: whether or not these people accept evolution or not, it has zero affect on their "salvation."
They're utterly desperate to disprove evolution and go to endless lengths to "disprove" it, but they need no evidence whatsoever for "god," and they need not substantiate WHICH god, and whether their "savoir" existed at all, which DOES affect their "salvation."
This ridiculous logic astounds me.
ETC. Communications That's why with literalists I like to be very specific;"Okay, let's just break this down, you need to prove;
1) a god exists
2) YOUR god exists
3) YOUR holy book is inspired by/written by your deity
4) YOUR interpretation of said holy book is accurate"
They never seem to get past demand 1.
^^ Exactly. Well said.
They are just not good at dealing with evidence, they dont know how to use it or what evidence actually is
BAH GAWD!!! STONE COLD WROTE A PAPER!!!! CREATIONISM IS TRUE!
stop the damn match!
+Religion is killing Humanity. HE'S GOT A FAMILY....
Jeff Connors AW, SON OF A BITCH!
"It was peer reviewed three times".
I sat my driving test 3 times!! As most people do it in one go, I am a better driver than most by 200%.
Poor Ramdohr. He was born in 1890, and was pioneering this stuff, it goes without saying he had to dig through a lot of uncharted territory when doing his research,stands to reason that things has been revised with new findings :-)
Damn this guy gives me a headache.
A headache worst than listening to Deepak Chopra.
Sciiiiiieence
all of the research capabilites of an antivax mother.
I wonder how many times over the years people have been cornered by Kenny at a party & then were forced to climb out a second floor window to evade his dullness?
When we determine if religion is the cause...or the result...of insanity, we might have a good shot at curing them both.
STONE COLD STEVE AUSTIN 4VER
"My home office" Good for you Kenny...good for you....
Nikki Moth , in his mom's basement.
Oh my god! They killed Kenny!
You bastards!
bout time.
You Athiest bastards!
Creationist cherry picking:
Find the cherry that looks most delicious,
but is probably rotten in it's core.
Then have as many as possible,
bite the promise, but not too deeply.
Because any deeper, shows truth.
Such a pretty poison.
it always amazes me how the callers can so easily dismiss logic and facts and persist with their crappy half thought out argument
Who said that Steve Austin is the world's leading expert on those fossils? Ken Ham?
'I wanna talk about sciaaaaaence'.....LOL you know some funny shit is following when you hear that know-it-all drawl.
Hilarious.
Oh I just loved this Kenny classic line: "If a paper is out for fifty years it becomes science"... Are these people for real!!
But... if people believe that... let me think... hmm, yes, that might work... ok excuse me guys, gotta go and write a scientific thesis explaining that all religion is bullshit. In fifty years time that will become a scientifically validated fact... oh wait, it already is... but we still have people like Kenny... oh well, seemed like a good plan at first sight...
You have inspired me to simplify my previous definition of an internet troll as any comment which combines these two features:
1. Adversarial.
2. Unhelpful.
But you could also add futile, hostile, argumentative, without hope of positive outcome of any reputable kind and an absence of anything like a light at the end of the interminable tunnel.
You know...and this is one of the rare times that I actually know this for a fact because I've heard him on a couple of episodes just in the last month or so...Kenny, however he sounded here, I think is actually coming around. Now I'm NOT talking about in THIS show (from 2013 I mean), I mean now in 2021...I've heard him and he doesn't sound nearly as silly and the found he continues to call in and talk to Matt (and others, he doesn't just only call for Matt) makes me think he's actually "connecting the dots" in his head...and that's a perfect example I would think whenever someone calls in and asks why they do this show. 👍
Kenny here is really bad at sciencing.
And probably everything else, too.
prepair to feel the wrath of Matt dillahunty!
so, say i'm an editor of a journal and i come across a paper that appears to support creationism. I review it and although i don't agree with its conclusions, i personally can't see whats wrong with it. i discretely share it with my colleagues and they too cannot see the error. I think i wouldn't publish it because i'm not a creationist, and once somebody discovers what's wrong with it, myself and my journal would lose all credibility and i'd become known as the creationist guy when i'm not. just to be on the safe side for purely selfish reasons i would keep it to myself. no conspiracy required.
That's what we teach freshmen NOT to do (if they didn't learn it at a much earlier age).
If you get a paper that supports something astounding, and you can't see anything wrong with it, and neither can a few colleagues, you show it to more scientists. If it gets past a lot of serious scientists, then you publish, because a) no one can blame you if it turns out to be invalid (except anti-scientists such as creationists, and we really don't give them much thought), and b) it's either valid and astounding, or invalid and persuasive in a very interesting way, so either way it's an important result that will win your journal undying fame. Journal editors dream about such papers.
ok. don't get me wrong I was defending the journals... I was just meaning that they weren't part of some nefarious conspiracy, but human. It's unreasonable to expect humans to behave beyond human.
kidkunjer
That's honest of you to share, you do realize that what you do is wrong though?
in what sense... morally?
kidkunjer
Yes, morally.
So I gave this guy a chance. At first I was very surprised to see that indeed it seemed like the scientific community ignored his research. But after digging deeper I found out that his papers were published and put up for peer review. His peers then asked questions so that his findings could be repeated and studied by others. These questions were not answered. He failed to be bale to provide the basics to have his hypothesis verified.
Here is a thorough article on this whole thing if anyone is interest. Basically he was ignored because he published his paper and basically couldn't offer up a way that the scientific community could test and repeat his findings.
www.talkorigins.org/faqs/po-halos/gentry.html
OMG.. they listened to Kenny! 😮
Huh?
Blah, blah, blah ... same old Christian attempt at disproving Evolution by declaring that "it has to be a magic man in the sky created the earth by magic" by reading between the lines of proven facts. Ya gotta love it !
"They don't have an alternative." The whine of religious apologists when their fairy tale falls into the Argument From Ignorance slot. :/
Analogy: They said that my driving was bad and that they wouldn't give me a drivers license. So I made one myself.
I REALLY hate to say this but there is one point, ONE, that Kenny is right on, that science journals can and often do (in the US and especially western nations, where corporate/business controls and interests are insanely high) decline scientific papers in favor of pushing an agenda. However, HOWEVER, these instances, in my research, tend to ONLY happen when a major and powerful corporation or industry wants a scientific paper to say a certain thing or not be published at all (pharmaceutical, oil, and big agriculture are the main culprits), monsanto and the vanishing bee research is a prime example of this. Unfortunately for Kenny, these guys are right, what he is proposing is cherry-picked, junk science.
Thank you. This of course isn't to say that all science is wrong, just that we need to question the findings and look into the labs and who the labs and studies are funded by and then apply critical thinking. Thanks for the supporting statement H Scott.
***** I dont believe you, what is a laboratory physicist? I cannot find this term anywhere. What is your Phd in and where did you do it?
Tom Dawson clearly you didn't do any looking, that would explain why you didn't find anything. I just typed in the term in a google search and it came up with a list of universities and government agencies with LABORATORIES for their PHYSICS departments. deductive reasoning therefore leads me to reasonably conclude that that laboratory physicist is a physicist who conducts research within a laboratory.
Same here, i found physics laboratories but i couldnt find any jobs in them with the title laboratory physicist
well then it is a matter or just putting the two together i think. it could just be jargon and not a technical title but no less changes being a physicist in a laboratory as opposed to out doing field research.