I feel like there would be so much less confusion if Christians actually understood what atheism means. It might also help if they understood science and logic.
***** Great four line synopsis of not only Christians but all theists I assure you as an ex-Muslim this line of thinking is ubiquitous among the faithful.
***** I know. They've explained what atheism is plenty of times, but a lot of Christians refuse to allow it to be such a simple position, they like to build it up so it is on the same level as a religion in order to ridicule it and claim that it requires faith and worship and a plethora of other religious concepts. I'm convinced most Christians know very well what atheism actually is, but they would rather lie about it so they can feel better about themselves and paint us as "evil" or "wicked".
Funny thing about Christians is that the book perfectly fits a Bronze Age way of thinking. One could almost say the people who made it lived in the Bronze Age and knew next to nothing about anything. Anything that is even remotely similar to what we know today is pure happenstance. An all knowing god could have just flat-out said wash your hands. Don't own people and give woman the same basic human rights as you have. But no what we have is the exact opposite being told.
Many people think being open minded means being open to accepting anything. Um, no! Being open minded means being willing to follow the evidence where it leads, even if it means having to give up a personal point of view. Admitting defeat takes courage. If being open minded seems easy, the individual is not doing it right.
***** George is not only a complete idiotic moron, he's an icredibly annoying complete idiotic moron - somebody please give him a gun and tell him to put it where his non-existing brain is, so he can blow away that which is actually not in existence.
Christa Stempel Neeh, it's not nice to wish people to die like that. I'd wish cancer on somebody he cares about, the slow and untreatable kind, the kind which will make him question his faith, wonder why god would do something so monstrous, make him question everything he believes, the kind which will end a life no matter how hard they pray for it to not be true. A gun's too quick and the victim learns nothing.
Yeah, she doesn't need hours of philosophy and epistemology to get to the point anyone could understand. And above all she's doing it with ease without getting angry and insulting.
Brammy007a A vibrating non-food "food item" peddled by a rapist. Btw...I like jello. But yeah...your original point is 100% correct. George is an Atheist Experience classic caller. I love this guy.... He's absolutely precious.
Perhaps. Or that may be an "post hoc ergo propter hoc" fallacy. Observed: A. that George's brain is jello. B. That George is HEAVILY religious. Possible conclusions: A caused (or contributed to) B. B caused (or contributed to) A. Or A and B exist in the same person, yet are unrelated.
>>>>My methodology for detecting leprechauns is playing the flute and tapping my right foot. ......................... I think that's the same method that theists use to detect "god"
Absolutely! Saying atheists have faith is a self own. Either they think faith works or it doesn't. If faith works then they must acknowledge we have the same reason as they do so we are justified in our beliefs. Or worse, they must acknowledge that faith doesn't work thus nullifying their position and belief It's an own goal of epic proportions.
Why don't everyone just believe that the ancient hebrew tribal god sacrificed himself to himself to appease himself so that mankind might be saved from his hate through his love!! Halleeeluuu-hell-yeaaah!!!
I forget which person said it - it was a famous philosopher, who said, "It is difficult to argue with an intelligent man, but impossible to argue with a moron". I take my hat off to Matt - he has immense patience!.
How perfectly dishonest. Notice ever time George is asked a pointed question he responds with "well I could ask you the same question!" He's dodging and deflecting because he know he has no good answer.
Thanks for the compliment and welcome in my circle... About me being beautiful or not in the inside: I'm confident that my internal organs look pretty much the same as everyone else;-)
+Rina Salesia "George"(aka _who the fuck knows..._) is an Atheist Experience 'Classic Caller' imo. I love this guy.... He's absolutely *_precious_*. I'd legitimately like to share a joint with this guy. He seems like a _somewhat_ nice guy....who happens to be dumb as a box of rocks. But I'd love to just talk to him for a couple hours. I get this feeling that he could possibly be talked out of the worst bullshit that he believes. He just seems....disingenuous; and disingenuous people often cave under pressure. But what do I know..? PS...I also eat curry, fucker. :)
George does it to himself. He looks at science and looks at religion and to him, both are faiths. He probably has poor education in science and doesn't read or experiment. It's like having water and coca-cola. You might like coca-cola and you end up damaging your teeth. Who damaged your teeth? Your choice or coca-cola? Maybe both.
I think George is the prime example of a brain that falls for that bullshit. Anyone with a shred of rationality would dismiss religious claims within 5 minutes.
@@feonor26 Some people get a good education from their parents when they are home schooled. It depends on the parents knowledge, maybe they can give extra info. I teach my family members some physics, chemistry, basic electricity, geology. I even give them tests to do. I am an amateur chemist, so I am very much into science. I also talk about these religious issues a lot. I find that the more they know, the less religious they become. Science helps to explain the natural world so the more a person knows, the less they need to use a crutch (magical beings, demons, alien angels, fairies and other people).
It's like this George: If he drops the pen, you can witness it, anyone and everyone can. Show us a miracle and we can all see it and examine it, and try to understand how and why it happened.
@@oggyoggy1299 Lol. No argument has been made. Dodging Dillahunty is a terrible debater who can’t resist using logical fallacies in every argument. There’s no deeper point to what was said silly.
"finding clarity is beautiful." Yes. When I admitted to myself I was an atheist, my life took a turn for the better. Outside of normal skepticism, I've never looked back.
Bobby Rare He might be a troll as he has called in several times, but he seems to sincerely believe the garbage he parrots. I'm torn on this issue as well. My brain tells me he must be a troll, but my gut says "idiot". I think I'm gonna have to go with my gut on this one.
When you go to work in the morning, you don't think that you will be gunned down by a crazed co-worker. You have no evidence that it will not happen, but it hasn't happened. You have been to work x amount of times without being gunned down, so it is reasonable to say that you can go to work without being shot. That isn't faith.
What gets me about some of these callers is even when I was a theist at one time, I never thought that gravity was just 'made up' and didn't really exist, or other things I've heard lately like you can't know Australia really exists so we have to believe it based on faith? Even when I was a theist I would have thought they were kooks.
Then here comes Tracy to save the day. They make such a great team. Matt's hard logic and Tracy's explanatory powers, a one two punch of logic. I think she's a bit of a secret weapon. Matt's more of a machine gun of logic.
wow, George is an amazing guy who thinks that he understands when he had no idea about what understanding means to began with. he had squandered our time for no good reason except his stupidity although the whole explanation that Matt gave was illuminating. but it seems that some people do not have the mental capacity to understand and that was clear. and indeed it is an indicative of how religion is playing a big role in reducing the mental ability to understand,although it is not the only factor. his stupidity made me scream.
I agree with your statements. The reason I make the clear distinction is because when discussing these topics, I refuse to allow words to carry multiple meanings. Theists and their ilk like to shift them, so I nail them down to stuff as clear cut as possible.
He could have replied to George in simple terms: We can test our work. We have the math and the science to back it up, and anyone could do the same and come to the same result. If you don't have a natural and-or reoccurring event that can happen, then you base your views on faith. You don't need to 'believe' something in order for it to be true. However, religious people have no scientific evidence, and as such, are living on faith alone... And, for all intents and purposes, are wrong.
KataangFan221 It's a bit different when you're in the thick of a conversation on live TV, instead of sitting comfortably at your keyboard. But you are right.
Joseph P Statistical analysis and likelihood of the passing on of particular genes, birth, death, and population rates, mathematical calculation of temperature in relation to mating rates and requirements of adaptation, and various other matters of population, genetic variation and passing of said genes. I'm using broad pictures here, mind you, but it works just as much in evolution as it does in populations and sociological study. Even from an objective standpoint, math is a rather integral part of science, don'tcha think? ;P And funny that, we share a first name! ^-^
3) When I went off to college to study electrical engineering many years ago I came to the same conclusions you did. This is all crazy, my family is crazy, I still love them but ... I was around a lot of very smart people who taught me what it meant to think "rationally", and my best teachers were the things I designed that cut no slack if my logic was screwed. But then I learned more about life, and how people treated each other. And I thought about it a lot.
Matt: "How can you demonstrate your god?" george: "I don't understand what you're asking." And that right there is why we still have people that believe that myths are true, in the modern scientific age. Does anyone notice that any time Matt tries to nail george to the wall and get him to explain his methodology, george tries to change the subject? I wonder why…
@6:26 No he actually does understand what you're asking. He clearly understands it, the problem is that he's dodging it because it will force him to admit that he doesn't have a good reason to believe in his god..
George the Pastor from Dunmore, is one of the most skilled "debaters" at circular reasoning/ad ignorantiam/personal credulity/false equivalencies/false authority. This was exquisitely sad, like watching a dog trying to use a door knob - still, George, always a pleasure!
"How do you know that it was the mass that was doing the attracting" Because things with more mass attract more strongly than things with less mass. Every single time. We should give this a name, lets call it gravity.
this is such a great vid... Matt is holding onto his patience by his fingers nails, because I think he knows this guy is having genuine difficulty grasping these concepts, as opposed to being obtuse.
Hey, kids, god here. Look, I don't even believe in myself. I really screwed up when I caused the big bang. Really sorry. Why did I make things so hard to discover.The thing is I can't seem to undo this stuff.... Shit, sorry, just dropped my pen... Uhhg... got it. Okay look science is really cool. I've been reading up on stuff and that's why I don't believe in myself anymore. Man I've gained so much weight recently. Taco Bell. Okay, well I just wanted to say that you guys are doing a pretty good job with what I gave you. Once again, sorry. Hey and just try to ignore those idiots that believe I exist. I'll shut up now and maybe they'll forget me. Oh and I became an atheist about 73 years ago. Thanks for the show.
wow that was painful, like pulling teeth. George as most theists just don't get it, everyday I answer the same questions over and over. 1. something can't come from nothing. 2. evolution is "just a theory" 3.atheism is a religion 4. you can't prove God does not exists 5.where do you get your morality from? they all believe in the same nonsense, this is mostly an American problem I have found.
I think I might have misread your post, forgive me. The points you listed, they're not your responses; are they? They're the questions you are asked by Theists?
+Michael smith What does an atheist say about the assertion something does come from nothing? I make no assertion if there is or isn't a god i certainly don't accept a God is intrinsically involved in morality or daily affairs.. What i wonder is how other people conclude there isn't or is without an entire explanation of our reality and what happened before and outside the big bang? Seems a little presumptuous, if we ever create a AI that can reproduce and be sovereign does that make us gods?
As an aerospace engineer myself, I wouldn't say either of those things. I'd say "Bob, make this project work and prove it works." That's what you do as an engineer. You don't just hope and pray that your design works. People die that way. And notice I never once mentioned colloquial misuse of the term; I was very clear that I stick to the first dictionary definition.
The problem here is the misconception that people believe gravity and any theory concerning gravity are the same. They are not. Gravity is the observed phenomena (fact), while relativity is a testable explanation (theory) of the phenomena. Similarly, evolution is an observed phenomena (fact), while the "theory of evolution" is the testable explanation. Christians, try to understand the difference between a fact and a theory.
It doesn't matter. I've met people who after hearing what a theory is will outright act as though it's not. Believe it or not some people make it an active mission to avoid changing their minds so even if you do explain why a theory is not a guess in science they'd ignore that you explained that to them.
I understand, it's hard. I've been through the same thing. My family bonds were strong so there was never a question of us abandoning each other but having different world views creates a huge separation. As long as your working for truth on this channel, and trying to help people grow through it then I'd say the game IS ON.
Another thing I learned when I escaped to my rational world of science was that the crazy ideas about religion that my family and schools taught me were still bouncing around my head. Interacting in crazy ways- often hurting me in ways and times when I had NO IDEA they were doing it. That's the power of the unconscious. From my experience, I'd say it's really important to fix as many of these crazy ideas as you can- so you can be rational. But fixing them is different than blowing them off.
"When I look at the world I see a completely different world than you see, I have become aware of the existence of god" hahaha, sam Harris gave an awesome reply to that argument, " when I look at you I see that you might be Elvis, so I have become aware that Elvis is not dead"😆😆 people can do this with anything
"... trust in a person ..." was the 1st def in the dictionary I cut this from- & I wasn't cherry picking. But it doesn't matter which deff comes up first. What matters is that there ARE multiple. What Matt makes clear is that he will only TOLERATE his meaning, refusing to believe the demonstrable truth that there are other meanings. Just like you did: ...Matt gave IS the definition of faith." I'm with you on this though "You don't get to make shit up and then assign it to everyone else."
this guy reminds me of a book I heard about called THE GOD VIRUS, the moment the caller starts to understand that what matt is saying makes since his faith virus pulls him away from reason and back into ignorance.
Perfect example of someone tailoring their logic to fit a belief system. I'm so happy that I now use a logical method that is objectively demonstrated to be accurrate. Used to sound just like George....uuggghhh.
Poor old George. He's sincerely oblivious. I think it would have helped to give George a definition of the word "faith". He was obviously confused as to what faith actually is...belief with the absence of evidence. He wanted to equate faith with reasonable expectation due to evidence. He was conflating the two.
I recommend you watch Potholer54's video titled "How to argue with assholes", that'll teach you a pretty good technique to highlight these people's ignorance without raging :D it's worked wonders for me.
I enjoyed the conversation too. And if you're really searching for truth and trying to help people grow then we're in agreement about the most important things. I understand how being taught about religion by people that feel the deep truth of it but can't clearly articulate it with words that make sense to a modern mind can cause one to think it must all be nonsense. And especially painful when family is involved. But intelligent people, like Jung, can articulate it in a sensible way.
I once said a similar prayer for 21 years. Nothing ever happened. You know what DID make a difference? Asking the people I actually wronged for forgiveness. REAL people. Because we're accountable to each other, not some mythical being.
@@thomasb4467 neither requirement of Santa or Sasquatch. Your point? Why did you put that comment? Are you showing off that you can type or string together a coherent sentence.
Code Bender You thought it was coherent? Thank you 🥰 I put that comment because it’s true. You don’t get something from nothing. There must be a first cause to all of this and that cause it what we call God.
@@thomasb4467 for it to be true god would have to exist outside the heads (in reality). Apart from few immoral books (like bible or koran) there is no evidence of god, so it is a false statement (sasquatch or santa might have more evidence than god). Syntactically right does not mean semantically correct and in no way implies truth. I hope you understand it.
Code Bender Yes. God exists outside of our heads. We are contingent on God, not the other way around. 1) It’s you’re opinion that the Bible is immoral. The thing is. Without God you have no basis to call anything immoral. 2) The universe is proof of God. Life is proof of God. To claim otherwise is to show that you are biased in the matter. You can’t get something from nothing. You claiming it is a false statement is a false statement.
Blatant, and intentional ignorance. Once you have to correct someone three times, it's time to hang up. Once is ignorance, twice is slow on the uptake, and three times is simply lying.
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The difference between knowing and faith is being able to demonstrate that knowledge outside of one's own experience. We can demonstrate gravity to everyone no matter their opinion or active or level of understanding. We can't to do the same with faith
it depends what you mean by gravity, and Matt actually used 2 different definitions in this call and contradicted himself. 1. When we let go of an object on Earth it will accelerate downwards at at certain set acceleration until something stops it and we label this effect gravity. 2. There is the theory of gravity that is used to explain the effect seen in one and why it happens. 1. is a demonstrable fact. 2 is a theory for which there is a significant amount of evidence. Matt switched between 1 and 2 and hence confused the conversation (and then got angry). That being said, things that require faith do not fit into the same category as either 1 or 2....
***** I don't think that I'm the one that's confused. Nothing of what I said is nonsense and Matt did contradict himself by switching between the 2 definitions. But whatever. Have a good day :-)
I believe you were taught these things. Just like I believe most people learning to play an instrument are taught that you must play "in key". I've had gigging musicians tell me that you can't mix notes from minor and major scales! They're stuck in their novice rules- a lot of the blues is about mixing notes from minor and major scales.
What he doesn't get is when he says that we have faith in gravity what he's really saying is we have faith in the pen dropping. He would have to be denying that the pen fell when Matt let go of it in order to claim that gravity is based on faith. The fact that objects fall toward the center of a mass is not in dispute (at least I hope not, otherwise we're dealing with a whole new level of stupid). It's true that we don't fully understand the properties of gravity, but we know it exists because we can demonstrate it.
FINALLY! You looked up an answer rather than guess at it. Well done. Youre explanation is correct. It reads unicorns because in the middle ages when the bible was translated they filled in the blanks when they didnt know what the word exactly meant. More translation problems coming up.
The correct answer to George is "so what? You say you see what you say you see. You say you see it, but you cannot present it, but you demand your seeing means we accept you at your word. Once we join you, then you allow discourse."
"How do we go about which is true?" - "That's the question." "Yes, so what process do we use to determine whether or not you are correct?" - "That's right." "So how do we determine whether or not your claim is true?" - "That is correct."
“Why do you confuse the issue? Why do you talk without knowing what you’re talking about? Pull yourself together, Job! Up on your feet! Stand tall! I have some questions for you, and I want some straight answers. Where were you when I created the earth? Tell me, since you know so much! Who decided on its size? Certainly you’ll know that! Who came up with the blueprints and measurements? How was its foundation poured, and who set the cornerstone, While the morning stars sang in chorus and all the angels shouted praise? And who took charge of the ocean when it gushed forth like a baby from the womb? That was me! I wrapped it in soft clouds, and tucked it in safely at night. Then I made a playpen for it, a strong playpen so it couldn’t run loose, And said, ‘Stay here, this is your place. Your wild tantrums are confined to this place.’ “And have you ever ordered Morning, ‘Get up!’ told Dawn, ‘Get to work!’ So you could seize Earth like a blanket and shake out the wicked like cockroaches? As the sun brings everything to light, brings out all the colors and shapes, The cover of darkness is snatched from the wicked- they’re caught in the very act! “Have you ever gotten to the true bottom of things, explored the labyrinthine caves of deep ocean? Do you know the first thing about death? Do you have one clue regarding death’s dark mysteries? And do you have any idea how large this earth is? Speak up if you have even the beginning of an answer. “Do you know where Light comes from and where Darkness lives So you can take them by the hand and lead them home when they get lost? Why, of course you know that. You’ve known them all your life, grown up in the same neighborhood with them! “Have you ever traveled to where snow is made, seen the vault where hail is stockpiled, The arsenals of hail and snow that I keep in readiness for times of trouble and battle and war? Can you find your way to where lightning is launched, or to the place from which the wind blows? Who do you suppose carves canyons for the downpours of rain, and charts the route of thunderstorms That bring water to unvisited fields, deserts no one ever lays eyes on, Drenching the useless wastelands so they’re carpeted with wildflowers and grass? And who do you think is the father of rain and dew, the mother of ice and frost? You don’t for a minute imagine these marvels of weather just happen, do you? “Can you catch the eye of the beautiful Pleiades sisters, or distract Orion from his hunt? Can you get Venus to look your way, or get the Great Bear and her cubs to come out and play? Do you know the first thing about the sky’s constellations and how they affect things on Earth? “Can you get the attention of the clouds, and commission a shower of rain? Can you take charge of the lightning bolts and have them report to you
Very poetic ....and raises lots of questions most of which if not all have answers in terms of basic science wherein lies new mysteries, how wonderful is the universe and multi verses? How easy it is for us feeble minds to ease our pain by believing some unimaginably unquestionable sky daddy is gonna look after us and made everything for us.
What you just witnessed is a classic example Cognitive dissonance. Here is a short definition taken from Wikipedia: "In psychology, cognitive dissonance is the mental stress or discomfort experienced by an individual who holds two or more contradictory beliefs, ideas, or values at the same time, or is confronted by new information that conflicts with existing beliefs, ideas, or values." "Leon Festinger's theory of cognitive dissonance focuses on how humans strive for internal consistency. An individual who experiences inconsistency (dissonance) tends to become psychologically uncomfortable, and is motivated to try to reduce this dissonance-as well as actively avoid situations and information likely to increase it". This seems to be something very common with religious people. They seem to have no problem using logic and deductive reasoning in when it comes to most decisions they make on a day to day basis, however when it comes to there religion that goes right oute the window. If someone would like to comment please do.
I feel like there would be so much less confusion if Christians actually understood what atheism means. It might also help if they understood science and logic.
***** Well said.
***** Great four line synopsis of not only Christians but all theists I assure you as an ex-Muslim this line of thinking is ubiquitous among the faithful.
***** I know. They've explained what atheism is plenty of times, but a lot of Christians refuse to allow it to be such a simple position, they like to build it up so it is on the same level as a religion in order to ridicule it and claim that it requires faith and worship and a plethora of other religious concepts. I'm convinced most Christians know very well what atheism actually is, but they would rather lie about it so they can feel better about themselves and paint us as "evil" or "wicked".
HEΛRTS OF SPΛCE But then there would be no Christians.
Funny thing about Christians is that the book perfectly fits a Bronze Age way of thinking. One could almost say the people who made it lived in the Bronze Age and knew next to nothing about anything. Anything that is even remotely similar to what we know today is pure happenstance. An all knowing god could have just flat-out said wash your hands. Don't own people and give woman the same basic human rights as you have.
But no what we have is the exact opposite being told.
Many people think being open minded means being open to accepting anything. Um, no! Being open minded means being willing to follow the evidence where it leads, even if it means having to give up a personal point of view. Admitting defeat takes courage. If being open minded seems easy, the individual is not doing it right.
Steven L probably my favourite comment on UA-cam
This is easily my favorite comment. Took a screenshot of this so I can re-read in the future :)
HAVE YOU TESTED THE EVIDENCE??? IF NOT, THEN YOURE BELIEVING ON FAITH. DUHHHHH
christians are the biggest proponents of having an open mind, yet their minds are so very closed.
You can't be too open minded or your brain will fall out.
Caller: "...I don't understand what you are asking...".
Matt: "...I know...And that is part of the problem...".
LOL.
BECAUSE MATT IS A LIAR AND MAKING SHIT UP. THE MAN WAS RIGHT, IM AN ATHEIST BTW. BUT ITS LOGICAL
Salvatorus Maximus Sure you are buddy.
" IM AN ATHEIST BTW." If you are, I'm a Martian and my spaceship travels faster than light.
rainbow20112011 lol priceless, right?!?!
Salvatorus Maximus
George has some serious not - listening issues.
***** comma's are your friend...
***** well then, by all means, let your grammatically incoherent freak flag fly!!
***** George is not only a complete idiotic moron, he's an icredibly annoying complete idiotic moron - somebody please give him a gun and tell him to put it where his non-existing brain is, so he can blow away that which is actually not in existence.
Christa Stempel
Neeh, it's not nice to wish people to die like that.
I'd wish cancer on somebody he cares about, the slow and untreatable kind, the kind which will make him question his faith, wonder why god would do something so monstrous, make him question everything he believes, the kind which will end a life no matter how hard they pray for it to not be true.
A gun's too quick and the victim learns nothing.
+Christa Stempel Wow that's harsh. Maybe he'll get it, one day. No, probably not.
I love Tracie! She really is my favourite on the show. She's always so kind and she comes up with the best analogies to clarify the discussion.
I agree.
me too!!!
Yeah, she doesn't need hours of philosophy and epistemology to get to the point anyone could understand. And above all she's doing it with ease without getting angry and insulting.
Tracie is so hot!
It was a very good analogy, and the guy on the phone still didn't get it. That whole bit about gravity was just too much stupid to process.
Religion has turned George's mind into jello
Brammy007a As all of them
Brammy007a
If religion turned George's mind into Jello, that would be a good thing.
Brammy007a A vibrating non-food "food item" peddled by a rapist. Btw...I like jello. But yeah...your original point is 100% correct. George is an Atheist Experience classic caller. I love this guy.... He's absolutely precious.
Perhaps. Or that may be an "post hoc ergo propter hoc" fallacy.
Observed: A. that George's brain is jello. B. That George is HEAVILY religious.
Possible conclusions: A caused (or contributed to) B. B caused (or contributed to) A. Or A and B exist in the same person, yet are unrelated.
>>>>My methodology for detecting leprechauns is playing the flute and tapping my right foot. ......................... I think that's the same method that theists use to detect "god"
Man this guy...Whoever raised him robbed him of the ability to think.
The irony is that george is trying to portray faith as a bad thing without realizing that he is arguing against his own position.
Absolutely! Saying atheists have faith is a self own. Either they think faith works or it doesn't. If faith works then they must acknowledge we have the same reason as they do so we are justified in our beliefs. Or worse, they must acknowledge that faith doesn't work thus nullifying their position and belief
It's an own goal of epic proportions.
Why don't everyone just believe that the ancient hebrew tribal god sacrificed himself to himself to appease himself so that mankind might be saved from his hate through his love!! Halleeeluuu-hell-yeaaah!!!
Aloha Snackbar.
Hehe, well said!. Thats about the crux of the whole thing.....
Lol, the more technically accurately you describe religion, the more maniacal it sounds. Your description made me laugh.
I forget which person said it - it was a famous philosopher, who said, "It is difficult to argue with an intelligent man, but impossible to argue with a moron". I take my hat off to Matt - he has immense patience!.
Tracey's analogies are insane. She nails it everytime.
yes, but she looks guilty!!
@@markinmy Guilty?! You're going to need to explain. Please tell me you're not a Christian judging others...unless you are.
@@markinmyguilty of not being a gullible fool
@@markinmy Guilty of what?
That did explain it perfectly
How perfectly dishonest. Notice ever time George is asked a pointed question he responds with "well I could ask you the same question!" He's dodging and deflecting because he know he has no good answer.
I sincerely feel sad for this caller..
If people just realise what others may think is none of our business.
Charles van Dijk yes I agree. Who cares about their definition of atheism or how others perceives the sceptic
Thanks for the compliment and welcome in my circle... About me being beautiful or not in the inside: I'm confident that my internal organs look pretty much the same as everyone else;-)
Well I understand what you mean. But that's a common misconception. Have you heard about the: Physics girl? Smart plus good looking!
+Rina Salesia "George"(aka _who the fuck knows..._) is an Atheist Experience 'Classic Caller' imo. I love this guy.... He's absolutely *_precious_*.
I'd legitimately like to share a joint with this guy. He seems like a _somewhat_ nice guy....who happens to be dumb as a box of rocks. But I'd love to just talk to him for a couple hours. I get this feeling that he could possibly be talked out of the worst bullshit that he believes. He just seems....disingenuous; and disingenuous people often cave under pressure. But what do I know..? PS...I also eat curry, fucker. :)
Poor confused George. This is a prime example of what religion does to the brain.
George does it to himself. He looks at science and looks at religion and to him, both are faiths. He probably has poor education in science and doesn't read or experiment.
It's like having water and coca-cola. You might like coca-cola and you end up damaging your teeth. Who damaged your teeth? Your choice or coca-cola? Maybe both.
I think George is the prime example of a brain that falls for that bullshit.
Anyone with a shred of rationality would dismiss religious claims within 5 minutes.
@@louistournas120This is what home schooling does to you
@@feonor26 Some people get a good education from their parents when they are home schooled. It depends on the parents knowledge, maybe they can give extra info.
I teach my family members some physics, chemistry, basic electricity, geology. I even give them tests to do. I am an amateur chemist, so I am very much into science.
I also talk about these religious issues a lot.
I find that the more they know, the less religious they become.
Science helps to explain the natural world so the more a person knows, the less they need to use a crutch (magical beings, demons, alien angels, fairies and other people).
@@feonor26I was home schooled, and I’m an Atheist.
George is emotionally exhausting.
Holy shit!! I've heard some truly dumb callers to AE, but I think George might honestly have brain damage....seriously.
George isn't even an adult. He's a 2 year old who grew old too fast.
It's like this George: If he drops the pen, you can witness it, anyone and everyone can. Show us a miracle and we can all see it and examine it, and try to understand how and why it happened.
Thou shalt not hold thy breath.
Thou shalt not hold thy breath. This is a excellent commandment. It is both literal and figurative. I love it.
This was sad. It is heart breaking that tom-foolish turds like this exist. I could not even have the pleasure of laughing at this one.
Matt Dillahunty is helping our future with his amazing logic. The Hunt never loses
He’s been getting wrecked in debates lately. We make fun of him for dodging any and every question posed his way.
@@thomasb4467
You haven’t made a single coherent point.
You’ve been smashed every time.
Unless you have a new argument?? What is it?
@@oggyoggy1299
Lol.
No argument has been made. Dodging Dillahunty is a terrible debater who can’t resist using logical fallacies in every argument.
There’s no deeper point to what was said silly.
@@thomasb4467Give an example please
Poor guy, he couldn't understand anything Matt said.
This is why Matt lost his hair. I'm right there with ya buddy. LOL
Not all of it, some acquired refugee status on his chin.
Sure it has to be pink every now and then, but it survived - and that's what counts.
Matt: "George, why is this so hard for you?"
George:[if he was honest] "Because I'm an idiot."
You got to be somewhat intelligent to know you're an idiot
Lmao true
George perfectly demonstrated that he doesn't understand words.
6:19 That silence says it all.
George is a pure and absolute simpleton.
"finding clarity is beautiful."
Yes. When I admitted to myself I was an atheist, my life took a turn for the better. Outside of normal skepticism, I've never looked back.
It’s painful listening to George.
Does anyone else listen/watch this on their morning commute? I love it. It’s just the right amount of no bs and entertainment I love in the morning.
This one has a rare talent for posting a ton of words without actually saying anything.
This is painful.
MC473428 very
+MC473428 can't tell if George is stupid... or a troll. I'll be honest.
Bobby Rare He might be a troll as he has called in several times, but he seems to sincerely believe the garbage he parrots. I'm torn on this issue as well. My brain tells me he must be a troll, but my gut says "idiot". I think I'm gonna have to go with my gut on this one.
I have faith that George will never understand any of this FOR FEAR OF HELL and no other reasons
I have a high degree of confidence...based on a sample of multiple calls by George and his various sock puppets. Not faith.
When you go to work in the morning, you don't think that you will be gunned down by a crazed co-worker. You have no evidence that it will not happen, but it hasn't happened. You have been to work x amount of times without being gunned down, so it is reasonable to say that you can go to work without being shot. That isn't faith.
It is a combination of experience and statistical probability.
What gets me about some of these callers is even when I was a theist at one time, I never thought that gravity was just 'made up' and didn't really exist, or other things I've heard lately like you can't know Australia really exists so we have to believe it based on faith? Even when I was a theist I would have thought they were kooks.
On a previous video, I said that the caller was the dumbest person ever to call the show. I apologize to that person and retract that statement.
Matt & Tracy are so patient...poor George just cannot process it. I feel quite sorry for him actually.
Then here comes Tracy to save the day. They make such a great team. Matt's hard logic and Tracy's explanatory powers, a one two punch of logic. I think she's a bit of a secret weapon. Matt's more of a machine gun of logic.
wow, George is an amazing guy who thinks that he understands when he had no idea about what understanding means to began with. he had squandered our time for no good reason except his stupidity although the whole explanation that Matt gave was illuminating. but it seems that some people do not have the mental capacity to understand and that was clear. and indeed it is an indicative of how religion is playing a big role in reducing the mental ability to understand,although it is not the only factor. his stupidity made me scream.
I agree with your statements. The reason I make the clear distinction is because when discussing these topics, I refuse to allow words to carry multiple meanings. Theists and their ilk like to shift them, so I nail them down to stuff as clear cut as possible.
He could have replied to George in simple terms: We can test our work. We have the math and the science to back it up, and anyone could do the same and come to the same result. If you don't have a natural and-or reoccurring event that can happen, then you base your views on faith. You don't need to 'believe' something in order for it to be true. However, religious people have no scientific evidence, and as such, are living on faith alone... And, for all intents and purposes, are wrong.
KataangFan221 It's a bit different when you're in the thick of a conversation on live TV, instead of sitting comfortably at your keyboard. But you are right.
vpfan207 Good point, things are almost always less cloudy in hindsight and with a clear mind. ~u~
KataangFan221 Math doesn't back up a scrap of evolution.
Joseph P Statistical analysis and likelihood of the passing on of particular genes, birth, death, and population rates, mathematical calculation of temperature in relation to mating rates and requirements of adaptation, and various other matters of population, genetic variation and passing of said genes. I'm using broad pictures here, mind you, but it works just as much in evolution as it does in populations and sociological study. Even from an objective standpoint, math is a rather integral part of science, don'tcha think? ;P
And funny that, we share a first name! ^-^
Joseph P "Math doesn't back up a scrap of evolution" Someone lied to you about that and I bet the liar believes he has a commandment against lying.
3) When I went off to college to study electrical engineering many years ago I came to the same conclusions you did. This is all crazy, my family is crazy, I still love them but ... I was around a lot of very smart people who taught me what it meant to think "rationally", and my best teachers were the things I designed that cut no slack if my logic was screwed. But then I learned more about life, and how people treated each other. And I thought about it a lot.
Matt: "How can you demonstrate your god?"
george: "I don't understand what you're asking."
And that right there is why we still have people that believe that myths are true, in the modern scientific age.
Does anyone notice that any time Matt tries to nail george to the wall and get him to explain his methodology, george tries to change the subject?
I wonder why…
@6:26 No he actually does understand what you're asking. He clearly understands it, the problem is that he's dodging it because it will force him to admit that he doesn't have a good reason to believe in his god..
Like talking into a dead phone.
I am very impressed by Matt's eloquence. He is a great communicator.
Definitions are hard. Arguments are hard. Maybe if I just keep saying stupid things, they'll come around to my way of thinking.
George the Pastor from Dunmore, is one of the most skilled "debaters" at circular reasoning/ad ignorantiam/personal credulity/false equivalencies/false authority.
This was exquisitely sad, like watching a dog trying to use a door knob - still, George, always a pleasure!
"How do you know that it was the mass that was doing the attracting"
Because things with more mass attract more strongly than things with less mass. Every single time. We should give this a name, lets call it gravity.
this is such a great vid... Matt is holding onto his patience by his fingers nails, because I think he knows this guy is having genuine difficulty grasping these concepts, as opposed to being obtuse.
Hey, kids, god here. Look, I don't even believe in myself. I really screwed up when I caused the big bang. Really sorry. Why did I make things so hard to discover.The thing is I can't seem to undo this stuff.... Shit, sorry, just dropped my pen... Uhhg... got it. Okay look science is really cool. I've been reading up on stuff and that's why I don't believe in myself anymore. Man I've gained so much weight recently. Taco Bell. Okay, well I just wanted to say that you guys are doing a pretty good job with what I gave you. Once again, sorry. Hey and just try to ignore those idiots that believe I exist. I'll shut up now and maybe they'll forget me. Oh and I became an atheist about 73 years ago. Thanks for the show.
LMAO.
Christ, it's been three years already. Hey kids, just ran into Madalyn Murray O'Hair. She said to say hi.
and along comes Tracie with a beautiful explanation
wow that was painful, like pulling teeth.
George as most theists just don't get it, everyday I answer the same questions over and over.
1. something can't come from nothing.
2. evolution is "just a theory"
3.atheism is a religion
4. you can't prove God does not exists
5.where do you get your morality from?
they all believe in the same nonsense, this is mostly an American problem I have found.
Are you serious? lol
Which part of my statement do you think I'm not serious about?
I think I might have misread your post, forgive me.
The points you listed, they're not your responses; are they? They're the questions you are asked by Theists?
+J01789 no worries, I've done it myself... many a time. :-)
+Michael smith What does an atheist say about the assertion something does come from nothing? I make no assertion if there is or isn't a god i certainly don't accept a God is intrinsically involved in morality or daily affairs.. What i wonder is how other people conclude there isn't or is without an entire explanation of our reality and what happened before and outside the big bang? Seems a little presumptuous, if we ever create a AI that can reproduce and be sovereign does that make us gods?
As an aerospace engineer myself, I wouldn't say either of those things. I'd say "Bob, make this project work and prove it works." That's what you do as an engineer. You don't just hope and pray that your design works. People die that way. And notice I never once mentioned colloquial misuse of the term; I was very clear that I stick to the first dictionary definition.
The problem here is the misconception that people believe gravity and any theory concerning gravity are the same. They are not. Gravity is the observed phenomena (fact), while relativity is a testable explanation (theory) of the phenomena. Similarly, evolution is an observed phenomena (fact), while the "theory of evolution" is the testable explanation.
Christians, try to understand the difference between a fact and a theory.
It doesn't matter. I've met people who after hearing what a theory is will outright act as though it's not. Believe it or not some people make it an active mission to avoid changing their minds so even if you do explain why a theory is not a guess in science they'd ignore that you explained that to them.
Keep up the good work bro. Us aussies would be having a tough time watching this show without you.
If the callers entire mind underwent gravitational collapse it wouldn't affect a single cell in what euphemistically I might call his brain.
I understand, it's hard. I've been through the same thing. My family bonds were strong so there was never a question of us abandoning each other but having different world views creates a huge separation.
As long as your working for truth on this channel, and trying to help people grow through it then I'd say the game IS ON.
WOW , George don't calll the show again cause it's too painfull to listen to you.
Another thing I learned when I escaped to my rational world of science was that the crazy ideas about religion that my family and schools taught me were still bouncing around my head. Interacting in crazy ways- often hurting me in ways and times when I had NO IDEA they were doing it. That's the power of the unconscious. From my experience, I'd say it's really important to fix as many of these crazy ideas as you can- so you can be rational. But fixing them is different than blowing them off.
Entry level classes in stats and research methodology would help these callers sooooo much.
I liked Tracey's analogy of the court room jury on this. George hadn't a clue what they were on about.
"When I look at the world I see a completely different world than you see, I have become aware of the existence of god" hahaha, sam Harris gave an awesome reply to that argument, " when I look at you I see that you might be Elvis, so I have become aware that Elvis is not dead"😆😆 people can do this with anything
Tracie's example of the jury was excellent.
I've heard all these calls and this has to be the most painful one to listen to.
"... trust in a person ..." was the 1st def in the dictionary I cut this from- & I wasn't cherry picking. But it doesn't matter which deff comes up first. What matters is that there ARE multiple. What Matt makes clear is that he will only TOLERATE his meaning, refusing to believe the demonstrable truth that there are other meanings. Just like you did: ...Matt gave IS the definition of faith." I'm with you on this though "You don't get to make shit up and then assign it to everyone else."
this guy reminds me of a book I heard about called THE GOD VIRUS, the moment the caller starts to understand that what matt is saying makes since his faith virus pulls him away from reason and back into ignorance.
I'm glad he was able to talk for more than 30 seconds this week. This guy is a hoot!
"When I look at the world I see a completely different world than you see"
"Clearly!"
this is gold :D
Perfect example of someone tailoring their logic to fit a belief system. I'm so happy that I now use a logical method that is objectively demonstrated to be accurrate. Used to sound just like George....uuggghhh.
George is not dumb, he is just special. Like all believers
Lol you're being more forgiving than any theist has ever claimed to be.
Poor old George. He's sincerely oblivious. I think it would have helped to give George a definition of the word "faith". He was obviously confused as to what faith actually is...belief with the absence of evidence. He wanted to equate faith with reasonable expectation due to evidence. He was conflating the two.
OMG....I applaud their patience....I would have *Rage* hung up on this guy at about minute 4....fuck me, that was frustrating...
I recommend you watch Potholer54's video titled "How to argue with assholes", that'll teach you a pretty good technique to highlight these people's ignorance without raging :D it's worked wonders for me.
I enjoyed the conversation too. And if you're really searching for truth and trying to help people grow then we're in agreement about the most important things.
I understand how being taught about religion by people that feel the deep truth of it but can't clearly articulate it with words that make sense to a modern mind can cause one to think it must all be nonsense. And especially painful when family is involved. But intelligent people, like Jung, can articulate it in a sensible way.
Tracey is a mastermind
I once said a similar prayer for 21 years.
Nothing ever happened.
You know what DID make a difference? Asking the people I actually wronged for forgiveness. REAL people. Because we're accountable to each other, not some mythical being.
If all of science is wrong that in no way asserts a god.
If all of science is correct that in no way removes the requirement of God.
@@thomasb4467 neither requirement of Santa or Sasquatch. Your point? Why did you put that comment?
Are you showing off that you can type or string together a coherent sentence.
Code Bender
You thought it was coherent? Thank you 🥰
I put that comment because it’s true. You don’t get something from nothing. There must be a first cause to all of this and that cause it what we call God.
@@thomasb4467 for it to be true god would have to exist outside the heads (in reality). Apart from few immoral books (like bible or koran) there is no evidence of god, so it is a false statement (sasquatch or santa might have more evidence than god).
Syntactically right does not mean semantically correct and in no way implies truth. I hope you understand it.
Code Bender
Yes. God exists outside of our heads. We are contingent on God, not the other way around.
1) It’s you’re opinion that the Bible is immoral. The thing is. Without God you have no basis to call anything immoral.
2) The universe is proof of God. Life is proof of God. To claim otherwise is to show that you are biased in the matter. You can’t get something from nothing.
You claiming it is a false statement is a false statement.
This discussion went in circles so many times I am surprised Matt did not hang up on him sooner.
Blatant, and intentional ignorance. Once you have to correct someone three times, it's time to hang up. Once is ignorance, twice is slow on the uptake, and three times is simply lying.
stony tina Absolutely.
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I love Tracy
Its a demonstable miracle that old George here can use a phone.
I can't help it but i love George. Can't stop laughing. He's a character
The difference between knowing and faith is being able to demonstrate that knowledge outside of one's own experience. We can demonstrate gravity to everyone no matter their opinion or active or level of understanding. We can't to do the same with faith
it depends what you mean by gravity, and Matt actually used 2 different definitions in this call and contradicted himself.
1. When we let go of an object on Earth it will accelerate downwards at at certain set acceleration until something stops it and we label this effect gravity.
2. There is the theory of gravity that is used to explain the effect seen in one and why it happens.
1. is a demonstrable fact. 2 is a theory for which there is a significant amount of evidence.
Matt switched between 1 and 2 and hence confused the conversation (and then got angry). That being said, things that require faith do not fit into the same category as either 1 or 2....
***** I don't think that I'm the one that's confused. Nothing of what I said is nonsense and Matt did contradict himself by switching between the 2 definitions. But whatever. Have a good day :-)
LOL Matt just destroys these guys who try to defend faith. What are these guys thinking when they call this show?
My mantra : Do not teach a pig to sing, you waste a lot of time and you annoy the pig.
traceys response was perfect
This is one of my favorites - Matt is the best
I believe you were taught these things. Just like I believe most people learning to play an instrument are taught that you must play "in key". I've had gigging musicians tell me that you can't mix notes from minor and major scales! They're stuck in their novice rules- a lot of the blues is about mixing notes from minor and major scales.
Should have done the Gumball analogy, because this guy clearly doesn't get the atheist's position.
What he doesn't get is when he says that we have faith in gravity what he's really saying is we have faith in the pen dropping. He would have to be denying that the pen fell when Matt let go of it in order to claim that gravity is based on faith. The fact that objects fall toward the center of a mass is not in dispute (at least I hope not, otherwise we're dealing with a whole new level of stupid). It's true that we don't fully understand the properties of gravity, but we know it exists because we can demonstrate it.
FINALLY! You looked up an answer rather than guess at it. Well done.
Youre explanation is correct. It reads unicorns because in the middle ages when the bible was translated they filled in the blanks when they didnt know what the word exactly meant.
More translation problems coming up.
Thanks for the insight, I've only been watching for a few months.
Poor old stuck George, he really doesn't want to know does he. He just can't let go, yet. There's always hope. maybe.
Holy FUCK, George doesn't know how to fucking LISTEN!!!
Yeah, I would have better luck getting my dog to understand the simple concepts Matt was presenting than to get it through George's thick skull.
I have reasonable certainty using the scientific method that listening to George induces headaches
It's hard to even listen to this without getting frustrated.
The correct answer to George is "so what? You say you see what you say you see. You say you see it, but you cannot present it, but you demand your seeing means we accept you at your word. Once we join you, then you allow discourse."
Tracie nailed it
"How do we go about which is true?"
- "That's the question."
"Yes, so what process do we use to determine whether or not you are correct?"
- "That's right."
"So how do we determine whether or not your claim is true?"
- "That is correct."
“Why do you confuse the issue? Why do you talk without knowing what you’re talking about? Pull yourself together, Job! Up on your feet! Stand tall! I have some questions for you, and I want some straight answers. Where were you when I created the earth? Tell me, since you know so much! Who decided on its size? Certainly you’ll know that! Who came up with the blueprints and measurements? How was its foundation poured, and who set the cornerstone, While the morning stars sang in chorus and all the angels shouted praise? And who took charge of the ocean when it gushed forth like a baby from the womb? That was me! I wrapped it in soft clouds, and tucked it in safely at night. Then I made a playpen for it, a strong playpen so it couldn’t run loose, And said, ‘Stay here, this is your place. Your wild tantrums are confined to this place.’ “And have you ever ordered Morning, ‘Get up!’ told Dawn, ‘Get to work!’ So you could seize Earth like a blanket and shake out the wicked like cockroaches? As the sun brings everything to light, brings out all the colors and shapes, The cover of darkness is snatched from the wicked- they’re caught in the very act! “Have you ever gotten to the true bottom of things, explored the labyrinthine caves of deep ocean? Do you know the first thing about death? Do you have one clue regarding death’s dark mysteries? And do you have any idea how large this earth is? Speak up if you have even the beginning of an answer. “Do you know where Light comes from and where Darkness lives So you can take them by the hand and lead them home when they get lost? Why, of course you know that. You’ve known them all your life, grown up in the same neighborhood with them! “Have you ever traveled to where snow is made, seen the vault where hail is stockpiled, The arsenals of hail and snow that I keep in readiness for times of trouble and battle and war? Can you find your way to where lightning is launched, or to the place from which the wind blows? Who do you suppose carves canyons for the downpours of rain, and charts the route of thunderstorms That bring water to unvisited fields, deserts no one ever lays eyes on, Drenching the useless wastelands so they’re carpeted with wildflowers and grass? And who do you think is the father of rain and dew, the mother of ice and frost? You don’t for a minute imagine these marvels of weather just happen, do you? “Can you catch the eye of the beautiful Pleiades sisters, or distract Orion from his hunt? Can you get Venus to look your way, or get the Great Bear and her cubs to come out and play? Do you know the first thing about the sky’s constellations and how they affect things on Earth? “Can you get the attention of the clouds, and commission a shower of rain? Can you take charge of the lightning bolts and have them report to you
Very poetic ....and raises lots of questions most of which if not all have answers in terms of basic science wherein lies new mysteries, how wonderful is the universe and multi verses? How easy it is for us feeble minds to ease our pain by believing some unimaginably unquestionable sky daddy is gonna look after us and made everything for us.
What you just witnessed is a classic example Cognitive dissonance.
Here is a short definition taken from Wikipedia:
"In psychology, cognitive dissonance is the mental stress or discomfort experienced by an individual who holds two or more contradictory beliefs, ideas, or values at the same time, or is confronted by new information that conflicts with existing beliefs, ideas, or values."
"Leon Festinger's theory of cognitive dissonance focuses on how humans strive for internal consistency. An individual who experiences inconsistency (dissonance) tends to become psychologically uncomfortable, and is motivated to try to reduce this dissonance-as well as actively avoid situations and information likely to increase it".
This seems to be something very common with religious people. They seem to have no problem using logic and deductive reasoning in when it comes to most decisions they make on a day to day basis, however when it comes to there religion that goes right oute the window.
If someone would like to comment please do.
I love watching these guys intellectually destroy callers who ask question like this.