My god this guy is so good! My old flight instructor had me do a power on stall for the first time and when I didn't put in enough rudder and we ended up in a slow spin which took me by surprise, he looked over at me, arms crossed across his chest as the spin progressed he said, what are you going to do? I said, "Expletive" I don't know! He took over, corrected, and said, no problem, you can practice them on your own. Yeah, sure. As we headed back to the airport, my confidence shaken, he said we need to lose altitude, let's put it into a crib. It was the first time I'd ever heard that word and when I looked dumbfounded, he said, oh, guess I got the wrong student, here's what you do...
That brought back some memories of my 2000+ hours of instructing in the Tomahawk, including many hours teaching trainee instructors to recover from fully developed spins. I found that after about 5-6 revolutions, the engine would sometimes cut out but restarted easily during the normal recovery as the airspeed increased. Nice video, thanks
My instructor and I got into the incipient phase of a spin the other day in the Tomahawk while practicing slow flight. After my flight I sought out to learn more about it and came across your video. Thanks for the information this brought me to a lot more ease. As you can imagine it was a very scary situation to be in for the first time.
I've not flown a Tommy for years. It was my favorite. Always available because everybody else was afraid of it. Love the viz, love the flaps, and love the spins. It WILL recover hands off also, though not as fast as a Cessna. But I used to teach guys both methods just in case somebody panicked or got into an IMC spin.
Man, this brings back memories. I got my PPL in a brand spanking new Traumahawk back in 1978. I think I was the first student to go up in it. Compared the Cessna 150 I had started on, it spun like the very devil, hence the nickname.
Eddie... mis felicitaciones!!! Es evidente la calidad humana que te caracteriza y la motivación que procuras a las personas interesadas en tus videos. No tengo más que decir además de agradecerte por la inspiración que creas en miles de personas. Excelente trabajo amigo.
Astonished! I don't know if in the plane the spin was as fast as it seems on the video but it looked very fast. I didn't expect that for a plane that isn't an aerobatic plane.
Nice tutorial on the ‘hatchet spin characteristics. Very well spoken, with a great delivery and explanation. My flight school was a Piper dealer, so we had these always filter through the flight line. Unfortunately lost two friends in a Tomahawk stall/spin accident, not enough altitude for recovery. One thing to check on a Tomahawk, if you can have a mechanic remove the dorsal cover near the tail of the aircraft, you will see two small bolts that hold part of the tail on. Departed with a student one day only to return when the student complained of a vibration, well, one the bolts had a stress fracture that was close to snapping. That was a sobering discovery.
Two lessons on a Tomahawk 24 years ago. In my opinion it’s a very sensitive/ unforgiving plane. I did love the flights though. Excellent video. The one thing I’ve always remembered. Always step the rudder pedal in the direction of the ball to keep her true. Gracias por un video excellent!
When thy added 4 stall strips to the front of the wings it tamed the stalls. I instructed in the two we had. We called them the Hatchet . They have lots of room and great visibility:
Good Eddie!!! Damn Good, that's what I wanted to see!! She pulled out real nice, my 1st plane is going to be a Tomm. I hope I'm not disappointed, very interesting very informative damn good upload oh, that's what I needed to see
Thanks for video- great lesson. Do you face plane “into the wind” before stall & spin or just practice in whatever heading you happen to be flying in at the time?
I've done many spins in Cessna 150/172's and Aronca's from 7AC to Super Decathlons. When I watch this video, the thing that is unnerving to me is that the Tomahawk seems to be very delayed to spin recovery even when the proper flight control inputs are used. The delay of recovery from intentional spins is probably not a problem. I would like to see how the airplane does on recovery from immanent spins. Primary flight instruction should include spins with emphasis on recovery prior to the spin fully developing. Eddie is a very good instructor.
Last time i spun the Tomy was 20 years ago, did lots before. Normal spin entry, standard recovery, but pitch nose down (normal) and more rapid spin. But didn't break out. It kept spinning in the rapid recovery mode, pretty much a vertical dive, spinning i hadn't seen before. I started at 5000. After a few seconds i thought this is going in, so i applied pro spin input and std. recovery again and it came out at 1500 feet. Really scary.
Just bought one for our school, but shall not spin it. Last time i spun one, 20 years ago, it was reluctant to come out. Entered the very fast rotational mode. Went back to pro spin and more forceful recovery and came out.
I love you Eddie!!! When you say after your three spins let her straighten out do you mean level your wings???? To pull her out of the spin????. Great upload very interesting very informative.
Estimado Eddie , estoy con intenciones de comprar un Tomahawk , pero me han dicho que para hacer spins , hay que reforzarle la cola al avion porque se han dado desprendimientos , eso es verdad ?
Great instructor, lovely guy, sensible and skilled. No trauma to that (in a 'Terrorhawk', procedure followed, aircraft and occupants safe! Is this a Tomahawk 1 or Tomahawk 2 btw?
Eddi, Frank Pozo desde Santo domingo. Tengo entendido que éste tipo de avión, no tiene buena reputación con los spin. Que puede usted decirme sobre el tema?
Eddie, I am looking to start my Private license training. My CFI told me that he doesn't require spins for his school, but he can teach them. Would you recommend having him teach spin recovery when I take my lessons? Thanks.
Nice video. I soloed in a Piper Tomahawk in 1984 when I was 17 years old at Chino airport in Southern California . Spin recovery was not required for student pilots at the time . I do not know if it is currently . If not it should be .
With regard to spin training without parachutes, it is legal for a CFI to give training for any rating even if the rating being trained for does not require spin training without wearing parachutes. The FAA has interpreted the regulation to mean that since spins are required for at least one rating (CFI) that they are legal to be done without a parachute when training for any rating when the training is done by a CFI.
yep tarda bastante mas que el Cessna 172. Una vez lei sobre alguien que tuvo que cargar su peso sobre la consola cuando trato de realizar esta maniobra en el tomahawk. Fue la unica forma que tuvo para recobrar el avion y asi no matarse. Este avion es famoso por ser caprichoso a la hora de sacarlo de un spin.
I see one on trade a plane for 30k still affordable late 70 150's are not 50-60k crazy what they want. The Tomahawk good little plane easy to fly in gusting winds.
Nice video, two quick things. Unless you're providing dual for an initial CFI, you're required to wear chutes while spinning. And in the Tomahawk, you really should be wearing them regardless. Folks have been killed. Secondly, you're counting three revs for a single rotation. Pick out a landmark and count correctly. Students tend to speed up their count, YOU should know what you're doing.
LJDRVR I don't know what country you are talking about but in the UK and the US as far as I can see there is no regulation which says that you need a parachute to spin.
My god this guy is so good! My old flight instructor had me do a power on stall for the first time and when I didn't put in enough rudder and we ended up in a slow spin which took me by surprise, he looked over at me, arms crossed across his chest as the spin progressed he said, what are you going to do? I said, "Expletive" I don't know!
He took over, corrected, and said, no problem, you can practice them on your own. Yeah, sure.
As we headed back to the airport, my confidence shaken, he said we need to lose altitude, let's put it into a crib. It was the first time I'd ever heard that word and when I looked dumbfounded, he said, oh, guess I got the wrong student, here's what you do...
I would love to have this guy as a flight instructor. I’m relaxed just listening to him.
That brought back some memories of my 2000+ hours of instructing in the Tomahawk, including many hours teaching trainee instructors to recover from fully developed spins. I found that after about 5-6 revolutions, the engine would sometimes cut out but restarted easily during the normal recovery as the airspeed increased. Nice video, thanks
if the engine did would not restart, is this plane easy to do a deadstick landing?
@@dabneyoffermein595 They make a pretty good glider, but an airstart isn't an issue. In fact, exceeding Vne is of greater concern during the recovery
Great video! Brought back memories of over 20 years ago when I learned to recover from spins in an old Tomohawk. Loved that little plane!
My instructor and I got into the incipient phase of a spin the other day in the Tomahawk while practicing slow flight. After my flight I sought out to learn more about it and came across your video. Thanks for the information this brought me to a lot more ease. As you can imagine it was a very scary situation to be in for the first time.
I've not flown a Tommy for years. It was my favorite. Always available because everybody else was afraid of it. Love the viz, love the flaps, and love the spins. It WILL recover hands off also, though not as fast as a Cessna. But I used to teach guys both methods just in case somebody panicked or got into an IMC spin.
Why was everyone afraid of it?
Learning in the Tomahawk has served me well over the years. LOVED my spin training!
Man, this brings back memories. I got my PPL in a brand spanking new Traumahawk back in 1978. I think I was the first student to go up in it. Compared the Cessna 150 I had started on, it spun like the very devil, hence the nickname.
Spinning in a Traumahawk - I never did this - My instructors were too chicken. Thank you.
Eddie... mis felicitaciones!!! Es evidente la calidad humana que te caracteriza y la motivación que procuras a las personas interesadas en tus videos. No tengo más que decir además de agradecerte por la inspiración que creas en miles de personas. Excelente trabajo amigo.
Astonished!
I don't know if in the plane the spin was as fast as it seems on the video but it looked very fast.
I didn't expect that for a plane that isn't an aerobatic plane.
Nice tutorial on the ‘hatchet spin characteristics. Very well spoken, with a great delivery and explanation. My flight school was a Piper dealer, so we had these always filter through the flight line. Unfortunately lost two friends in a Tomahawk stall/spin accident, not enough altitude for recovery.
One thing to check on a Tomahawk, if you can have a mechanic remove the dorsal cover near the tail of the aircraft, you will see two small bolts that hold part of the tail on. Departed with a student one day only to return when the student complained of a vibration, well, one the bolts had a stress fracture that was close to snapping. That was a sobering discovery.
WHOA, that's terrifying. I wonder if annuals every discover this fault?
@@dabneyoffermein595 AFAIK that's a recurring inspection. Make sure your A&P is aware of it; some aren't.
Been there done that and was so pleased I bought the Aircraft. N9603T in 1991. She is still flying today.
Brings back wonderful memories Lolz! My first spin in the PA38 I tried to lift the dropped wing, big mistake(lesson learnt) thank you for posting.
with the rudder?
using reverse roll?
thanks so much for this video, I really enjoy listening to your instruction, very real.
Two lessons on a Tomahawk 24 years ago. In my opinion it’s a very sensitive/ unforgiving plane. I did love the flights though. Excellent video.
The one thing I’ve always remembered. Always step the rudder pedal in the direction of the ball to keep her true. Gracias por un video excellent!
Explain sensitive / unforgiving. A friend has offered to take me up and I'm suddenly not liking my prospects of returning safely back to the hangar.
@@dabneyoffermein595 I was just a little heavy handed on the stick. She flies true.
When thy added 4 stall strips to the front of the wings it tamed the stalls. I instructed in the two we had. We called them the Hatchet . They have lots of room and great visibility:
Good instructor, congratulations
Felicidades Eddie, great Job...
Good Eddie!!! Damn Good, that's what I wanted to see!! She pulled out real nice, my 1st plane is going to be a Tomm. I hope I'm not disappointed, very interesting very informative damn good upload oh, that's what I needed to see
soy argentino y me encantan tus videos! que recomendaciones me darias a la hora de pilotear esta nave?
Exelente Eddie, aver cuando nos hechamos unos de esos,por ahi te visito en una chanza...Saludos y Cuidate mucho de tu amigo...EDU.....
Thanks for video- great lesson.
Do you face plane “into the wind” before stall & spin or just practice in whatever heading you happen to be flying in at the time?
I've done many spins in Cessna 150/172's and Aronca's from 7AC to Super Decathlons. When I watch this video, the thing that is unnerving to me is that the Tomahawk seems to be very delayed to spin recovery even when the proper flight control inputs are used. The delay of recovery from intentional spins is probably not a problem. I would like to see how the airplane does on recovery from immanent spins. Primary flight instruction should include spins with emphasis on recovery prior to the spin fully developing. Eddie is a very good instructor.
Last time i spun the Tomy was 20 years ago, did lots before. Normal spin entry, standard recovery, but pitch nose down (normal) and more rapid spin. But didn't break out. It kept spinning in the rapid recovery mode, pretty much a vertical dive, spinning i hadn't seen before. I started at 5000. After a few seconds i thought this is going in, so i applied pro spin input and std. recovery again and it came out at 1500 feet. Really scary.
@@flybobbie1449 It recovered with pro spin control input? No thanks!
@@flybobbie1449 -- what is "pro-spin input" -- does that mean you are pushing the rudder in the same direction as the spin?
Just bought one for our school, but shall not spin it. Last time i spun one, 20 years ago, it was reluctant to come out. Entered the very fast rotational mode. Went back to pro spin and more forceful recovery and came out.
I love you Eddie!!! When you say after your three spins let her straighten out do you mean level your wings???? To pull her out of the spin????. Great upload very interesting very informative.
Estimado Eddie , estoy con intenciones de comprar un Tomahawk , pero me han dicho que para hacer spins , hay que reforzarle la cola al avion porque se han dado desprendimientos , eso es verdad ?
Great instructor, lovely guy, sensible and skilled. No trauma to that (in a 'Terrorhawk', procedure followed, aircraft and occupants safe! Is this a Tomahawk 1 or Tomahawk 2 btw?
Eddi, Frank Pozo desde Santo domingo.
Tengo entendido que éste tipo de avión, no tiene buena reputación con los spin. Que puede usted decirme sobre el tema?
eddie, spin y entrar en barrena es lo mismo?
Gracias Eddie genio!!! me encantan tus videos, lastima que esta en ingles
Love your video's.. Thank you for this video in English. I know it's double work for bilingual descriptions .. Anyway, appreciate you much.
Eddie, I am looking to start my Private license training. My CFI told me that he doesn't require spins for his school, but he can teach them. Would you recommend having him teach spin recovery when I take my lessons? Thanks.
Christopher Mondy ANY extra schooling is recommended.
Nice video. I soloed in a Piper Tomahawk in 1984 when I was 17 years old at Chino airport in Southern California . Spin recovery was not required for student pilots at the time . I do not know if it is currently . If not it should be .
YexaC Enzo
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This is four years too late, but I’m 16 and recently soloed in the tomahawk without spin training
@@calumplaysytb Congratulations on your solo flight, that is a day that you will remember the rest of your life.
@@mb1968ca Thank you very much :)
Spins opposite direction of a C-172?
I loved spinning the tomahawk but I was the only instructor at my FBO that would do it.
did you ever get into a spin that you regretted and it made you a little worried?
With regard to spin training without parachutes, it is legal for a CFI to give training for any rating even if the rating being trained for does not require spin training without wearing parachutes. The FAA has interpreted the regulation to mean that since spins are required for at least one rating (CFI) that they are legal to be done without a parachute when training for any rating when the training is done by a CFI.
how would you bail out if the centrifical force of the spin is keeping the door shut? seems like it would take Arnold Swartzenegger to open the door.
yep tarda bastante mas que el Cessna 172. Una vez lei sobre alguien que tuvo que cargar su peso sobre la consola cuando trato de realizar esta maniobra en el tomahawk. Fue la unica forma que tuvo para recobrar el avion y asi no matarse. Este avion es famoso por ser caprichoso a la hora de sacarlo de un spin.
I’m still trying to find an instructor to teach me to spin my Tomahawk
Just noticed the altimeter showing about 7000 good for spin training but I don't think mine ever went that high.
I love the Tommy much prefer it to that flying Little Tikes car that Cessna developed (C152)
Best trainer for spin recovery. That sucker loves to spin..lol
Why is the sound of your voice only coming through one ear piece of my headset?
Glad you posted I only had one earbud in and was wondering why he didn't have audio. Solved!
I see one on trade a plane for 30k still affordable late 70 150's are not 50-60k crazy what they want. The Tomahawk good little plane easy to fly in gusting winds.
Are these fellas still alive........?
Education... for everything!!!! From flight to sex.. always.
the video is very low, I cant listen it!!
Nice video, two quick things. Unless you're providing dual for an initial CFI, you're required to wear chutes while spinning. And in the Tomahawk, you really should be wearing them regardless. Folks have been killed. Secondly, you're counting three revs for a single rotation. Pick out a landmark and count correctly. Students tend to speed up their count, YOU should know what you're doing.
LJDRVR Ok ...
LJDRVR I don't know what country you are talking about but in the UK and the US as far as I can see there is no regulation which says that you need a parachute to spin.
@@JNelson_ I know this is really old but in the United States, parachutes are required unless you are a CFI. Eddie is a CFI.
Not allowed in UK. 😀