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  • Опубліковано 30 сер 2016
  • Watch as I ferry the Tomahawk over to Lago Vista to get a new Vacuum pump installed on the airplane. Enjoy!
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 358

  • @stephenfraser2521
    @stephenfraser2521 5 років тому +6

    Few thousand hours ago my first aircraft was a Tomahawk so many pilots with bad stories and when asked have you actually flown or owned one “Well no but I heard??”
    Australia is large and that little plane travelled a lot of it. I learnt so much fm it and always smile when see photos of her.
    I found it to be all you have found, so easy and forgiving to fly. A lot of my flights were late at night and on those magical nights clear full moon and endless stars through that canopy I just wish every pilot could experience that sight and feeling. My years with our Tomahawk was some of my most memorable flying times. I fly modern fast aircraft now but still our PA38 holds a place.

  • @RobertKaydoo
    @RobertKaydoo 7 років тому +5

    I have about 15 hours in Tomahawks, they are wonderful airplanes. A shame their production run was so short.

  • @Airforceproud95
    @Airforceproud95 8 років тому +58

    Great video Josh. Always fun to watch.

  • @drewrodaniche1541
    @drewrodaniche1541 2 роки тому +2

    What a treat it is to watch this video again after finishing my PPL and Instrument. I remember watching this video before I had even logged an hour in a Tomahawk but knew I would be flying them at my local flight school. Appreciate your wisdom to help me along the journey Josh. You're an ambassador to GA and aviation around the world.

  • @philokeefe7960
    @philokeefe7960 4 роки тому +3

    Nice film this, brought back many happy memories. I learnt to fly and got my PPL in Piper Tomahawks in 1986 at Ipswich airport in the UK. After qualifying I added other types to my experience - Cherokees, Cessnas, Robins etc but I never lost my love for the PA-38.
    You're right, stall, incipient spin and spin recovery needs to be assertive and timely using standard recovery procedures, but she will recover nicely. The full power, maximum rate turn pull to the buffet and stall is as dramatic as it probably gets, whichever wing stalls first it feels like you're entering an inverted spin - your not - sit back, let it settle and standard recovery will work but don't try this exercise below 4000'.
    Anyway, I spent a couple of months in 1996 working in Minneapolis and flew from Lake Elmo. They checked my credentials and wheeled out a dusty old PA-38 for me to do my check ride. After pumping up a flat tyre we got airborne, my check instructor took me through the usual aircraft handling routine until it came to stall recovery/ incipient spin recovery. I demonstrated the power off wings level pull to buffet recovery and that was it! He didn't want to go any further and happily signed me off. Think I flew that Tomahawk more over that two months more than she'd been flown over the last two years.
    Finally, turned up one evening after work for a flight - Tomahawks having a 50 hour check - would I be happy taking a 152? No Check ride but just as we walked to the aeroplane from the clubhouse a shout 'Phil! Don't let her get below 55 on finals!'
    There seemed to be be a genuine fear of the PA-38 in the USA at the time
    How are you getting on with yours?

  • @CentralStateMower
    @CentralStateMower 2 роки тому +2

    Brings back memories of my 1st airplane to solo in...The Tomahawk! Great video!

  • @johnhill7133
    @johnhill7133 8 років тому +9

    Nice Josh. Good luck on your business venture. I am sure you and your business partners will be very successful. Keep up the great work.

  • @stefanmarkovic6636
    @stefanmarkovic6636 7 років тому +2

    I just finished my PPL(A) on this plane and the Cessna 172( I have more time on the Tomahawk), I must say that I fell in love with this plane, and you just made me smile by flying it ! Keep on the good work! Love your vids

  • @Luke-cw8nh
    @Luke-cw8nh 8 років тому +5

    I love seeing the start up sequence in your videos! Makes it seem almost more authentic. And yeah some thing about the Pipers get really hot quick. I fly a Cherokee out of Michigan. It can be fifteen degrees outside and I'm cooking inside.

  • @45631063
    @45631063 7 років тому +3

    Great !
    Josh for this extraordinary quality video.
    Thank you very much .
    You are a very good confirmed driver and you can also be a good instructor.

  • @ozziepilot2899
    @ozziepilot2899 5 років тому +2

    Love the Tomahawk, great little trainer, yep watch that incipient spin to the left in a stall, did my first 40 hours in one :)

  • @smaze1782
    @smaze1782 6 років тому

    Always loved the Traumahawk. It has a soft spot in my heart. I good friend of mine back in 1988 took me for a flight from San Diego to Palm Springs in July. I literally overcame my motion sickness that day. If you ever have a passenger who is becoming nauseous, simply have them fly the plane for a short while. They will usually completely forget about feeling sick.

  • @jeffbekeris
    @jeffbekeris 6 років тому

    I did my check ride and received my PPL in a '79 PA-38 Piper Tomahawk just like your new baby, way back in 1980! It was a fun plane to fly, and as you said: "...it does have some goofy stall characteristics, but if nothing else it will really teach your students to stay coordinated." I remember some awkward recoveries, one being the accelerated stall. I remember that maneuver sometimes brought "interesting" results, like being shot out of a sling shot! It definitely calls for a coordinated recovery, as you point out.
    I sure enjoy your little "short hop" video to get the vacuum pump. A really nice, high-quality 20 min video production (I've been crafting videos since my HS days as well). This segment brings back memories of days long past for me. I do have a Tomahawk II in my "flight line" with Lockheed Martin's P3Dv4 (flight sim), which is very immersive and flies just like the real deal. I too wanted to be in aviation, however, the fire service got a hold of me, where I served almost 35 years, now retired. I have friends who are in aviation, my next door neighbor just received his PPL and another buddy is a Captain with Southwest, to name a few.
    Josh, I enjoyed the ride and hope things are going well for you and your friends in your endeavors. Thank you for sharing!

  • @davidhames319
    @davidhames319 8 місяців тому

    Thanks for taking us along👍✈️

  • @cordobaflyer8219
    @cordobaflyer8219 8 років тому

    thank you so much for being such an inspiration. A pilot is a technician, an aviator is an artist in love with flight. keep up the good work.

  • @fargknob
    @fargknob 7 років тому

    Good luck on the new gig. Really like the Tomahawk too. Thanks for the ride.

  • @jimbobmcjimmy666
    @jimbobmcjimmy666 7 років тому +12

    With those style of throttle I hold it at the base by pinching between my thumb and finger, resting on base part if you know what I mean, that way you don't move the throttle when you hit the bumps ;)

  • @stonebear
    @stonebear 8 років тому +1

    Congrats on the new venture! I'm with you, I always did like a trainer that would bite a bit if you didn't fly it right...
    "You teach best that which you most need to know." -- Richard Bach
    Good learning to you!

  • @jmaviator
    @jmaviator 8 років тому

    Proud of you Josh👍 Keep up the good work. You are an inspiration!!!☺

  • @ericsorensen4966
    @ericsorensen4966 6 років тому

    Great Video! I have fond memories of a training flight I did on one of these. We departed Santa Barbara Airport (SBA), flew over the cliff at UCSB and then down the Pacific coastline to look at sunbathers and then landed on Runway 15 R. The aircraft has probably the best visibility in civil aviation, but I imagine it would be a somewhat of a heat bubble during a Texas summer flight.

  • @lahockeyboy
    @lahockeyboy 7 років тому +1

    one of my fav. airplanes flown by a top notch instructor!

  • @NeilMcGovern
    @NeilMcGovern 8 років тому +10

    Hey Josh, cool video as always. One small comment - it may be worth checking that your aileron controls are free at full yolk back too - doing the four sides of the 'square' makes sure that cables/rods don't bind at full deflection.
    Also, thanks very much for the prompts to listen to the new frequency before speaking :)

    • @dabneyoffermein595
      @dabneyoffermein595 3 роки тому

      oh wow, great idea/suggestion. that could be the difference between life and death.

  • @timlundberg161
    @timlundberg161 8 років тому

    Congrats on the new school. Teaching others to fly is very rewarding. I have students who now fly 737's, 777's and many others in between. You mentioned the incredible visibility in the tomahawk and and how hot it was several times. they go hand in hand in that plane unfortunately ! Best of luck.

  • @heidi234
    @heidi234 8 років тому +1

    I'm glad you decided to become a flight instructor and make your own school. to me that seems like something you would be very good at. I recently just got to college and am actually majoring in aviation flight at Lewis University. Next Tuesday I start my first lessons in a Cessna 172 S and hopefully by the end of this year I will be a private pilot. if i didn't have the opportunity to go to this school, i would have definitely gone to yours once it is up and running. your videos are very inspiring. Keep flying!

  • @andrewbello983
    @andrewbello983 6 років тому

    Cool Platue field to fly into Josh! Ive only landed there once in a 172SP and they say be careful with the down drafts when landing there. Great vid and thanks for sharing.

  • @grahams7697
    @grahams7697 7 років тому

    Fabulous video, Josh.
    I love flying the PA-38 Tomahawk II, here in eastern Australia.
    Keep these videos coming, please. They're a valuable teaching/learning resource.
    Good job, mate.

    • @digital_aviator
      @digital_aviator 2 місяці тому

      What did you fly? I've flown VH-TLA, FTI, UAL, CFR, MIR, AFR, NRH, TKR and a few others... :-)

  • @GrundleMathius
    @GrundleMathius 7 років тому

    My dad has over 2000 hrs in the Tomahawk back in the late 70s early 80s during is learning and training days so simple and nice to fly low and slow and check things out in.

  • @donrbishop
    @donrbishop 8 років тому +1

    Keep up the good works and have fun along the way.

  • @goflyjeff
    @goflyjeff 7 років тому

    Nice little airplane. Great visibility!

  • @michaelhiggins7365
    @michaelhiggins7365 6 років тому

    Love that Tomahawk ! I've yet to fly one myself, but have always wanted to. Best of luck with this airplane Josh and your training students in it, I hope it serves you well.

  • @daveogarf
    @daveogarf 8 років тому

    Thank you, Josh! Fantastic video, and I'm pleasantly surprised at the Tomahawk. Having flown Cessna 150s and 152s, a Piper Cherokee and a Beech Musketeer, it looks like a very good basic aircraft.

  • @adb012
    @adb012 7 років тому +7

    I love the Tomahawk. I did the opposite than you: Made the PPL training in a Tomahawk and then transitioned to a C-152. I found the transition extremely easy and flying the C-152 almost boring, and I was soon back in the Tomahawk. It is not only much more comfortable (especially at 6' 4"), but much more fun!

    • @Boffin55
      @Boffin55 7 років тому +1

      Pretty much exactly my experience, a much better airplane to learn in. You simply can't be as sloppy as you can in the 150/172.
      The first time I flew a 150 the instructor asked me to spin it, and I kicked it out less than 1/2 turn in. He said "no, the whole way around", and I replied "that would have been, in a T-hawk"

  • @mattdotham
    @mattdotham 8 років тому

    Great channel, Sir. I don't know what's the deal with that, but it just calms me to listen to just the audio while working with my browser in the background. The hiss, noise and professionals communicating with calm voices about things I don't really have any idea about. I would love to have a person like you as a instructor some day. Keep them up and good luck with the flight school.

  • @toddstephens1944
    @toddstephens1944 8 років тому

    I truly enjoy your videos, thank you for sharing your experiences with us.

  • @neilrampersad4291
    @neilrampersad4291 6 років тому

    nice landing, great videos looking forward for more..

  • @scoe83
    @scoe83 8 років тому

    I absolutely love your videos they are a blessing... they give me life and wishing much success for your flight school looking forward to more great videos too...

  • @glennbenton7158
    @glennbenton7158 6 років тому

    I learnt to fly in a Tomahawk in New Zealand. Fantastic aircraft. Great video, brings back some memories.

  • @thataintitchief553
    @thataintitchief553 7 років тому

    I love this plane, I enjoy this setup format as well, another great video

  • @marinepilot5723
    @marinepilot5723 8 років тому

    That's really awesome that you're starting a flight school Josh! That's been a dream of mine for a little while. Just need to get some more time and ratings under my belt. Always enjoy your videos man

  • @marsgal42
    @marsgal42 7 років тому +2

    I learned to fly in Cherokees and flew 172s later so I've encountered some of the same issues you mention with the Tomahawk, just in the opposite direction.
    On the Cherokee you get used to resting your hand on the base of the quadrant and holding the throttle with your fingers.
    Neat little plane! :-)

  • @cynthiaklenk6313
    @cynthiaklenk6313 7 років тому

    Yup, Piper has had the manual " parking brake handle" for the flaps since before forever :-) I remember it on a friends Cherokee 140. When I flew it, I remember how much the Cherokee wanted to float before touchdown. The low wing definitely takes some getting used to, transitioning from the C-172. Happy holidays, CAVU and Merry Christmas!

  • @jimramsey8887
    @jimramsey8887 5 місяців тому

    Brilliant VT which brought back many Happy Memories. Thanks from an Old Brit. Ex ppl!

  • @ItsKibet
    @ItsKibet 6 років тому

    Never heard of the Piper Tomahawk until this vid.Nice!

  • @berniemccann8935
    @berniemccann8935 7 років тому +1

    Good conversation (Not too much, not too little). Interesting flight (Not boring). Good video (Didn't get dizzy).
    Good luck with the school.

  • @juanignacioelias6499
    @juanignacioelias6499 8 років тому

    Hey Josh, great vid! Congrats on the CFI license and best luck with the flight school project. The tomahawk is a nice trainer. Great visibility and ample cockpit. Just need to be cautious as not very forgiving with stalls and spins.

  • @GSOaviator
    @GSOaviator 8 років тому

    Awesome seeing you doing more of these Tomahawk videos. There's something about it that I like... maybe it's that I'm more of a low wing guy :)

  • @mrmorphic
    @mrmorphic 7 років тому

    Really enjoyed this video. I'm currently doing my PPL in a tomahawk, after starting in a C152. Glad I made the switch, its more fun and you have to be a little sharper, esp in stalls.
    I really appreciate talking through the things you're doing and going on around you, that's really helpful.

  • @Closeoutracer
    @Closeoutracer 8 років тому

    I'm not normally a Tomahawk fan.. But I think you guys have got yourselves a good little airplane. Clean, Fresh engine.. I like the paint scheme on yours, very attractive... good score.

  • @jnbennett6496
    @jnbennett6496 5 років тому

    nice post, its a tie for me when it comes to favorite planes, this 1 and the piper cub

  • @haroldgough5799
    @haroldgough5799 8 років тому

    Hey Josh, I love the Tomahawk I've got about 35 hrs in the pa-38 from my early private pilot days out of N. Las Vegas, NV. ( VGT ). Like you said the cabin space is really good for such a small plane. I love T-tails for some reason, been getting my Commercial multi in a BE-76 Duchess.. You and Brandon and a friend starting a flight school, that's pretty awesome we need more. Hope to meet ya'll someday, have to plan a trip to San Marcos. In the meantime, keep putting those great videos out; i' m learning my editing right from you; LOL. SEE, you're teaching already and don't even know it, or maybe you do. Avid follower sir; avid follower. Fly safe man, more videos, videos, videos....

  • @allendodge4627
    @allendodge4627 8 років тому

    Thanks again for sharing you flight. Wish you the best of luck with you flight school.

  • @joaodib4126
    @joaodib4126 5 років тому

    Beauty Josh. Working towards my first solo!!!

  • @Supercity2000
    @Supercity2000 8 років тому

    Flight school, awesome news! I am in Round Rock and thinking about taking the PPL next spring... Was considering only Georgetown, but south becomes an attractive option :)

  • @raymondshupe7578
    @raymondshupe7578 8 років тому

    I enjoy watching your videos. Thank you.

  • @TheBarnem13
    @TheBarnem13 7 років тому

    Well good Luck in your venture hope you will revord and share some of your lessons at a later date!

  • @GamePlayWithNolan
    @GamePlayWithNolan 7 років тому

    Good luck with the flight school! You guys are going to make a great one!

  • @milorosales6479
    @milorosales6479 7 років тому

    Nice! Did all my training in that plane here in Fresno, CA. Good plane.

    • @milorosales6479
      @milorosales6479 7 років тому

      Yes I trained at Mazzei and I really enjoyed my experience there. Mazzei could definitely improve on some areas, but no school is perfect.

  • @bryansalas88
    @bryansalas88 7 років тому

    Thanks for shraring! Great video and i'm learning a lot as always

  • @andelchallenger5516
    @andelchallenger5516 8 років тому

    Really great video!

  • @neilrampersad4291
    @neilrampersad4291 6 років тому

    great video, like the way you explain all that you are doing..

  • @MCHFacts
    @MCHFacts 8 років тому +23

    *In the middle of a flight on VATSIM
    *Notification "MrAviation101 uploaded a video"
    Me: >:)

  • @bobshaw4063
    @bobshaw4063 7 років тому

    Josh Congratulations on becoming a CFI. Hope your flight school will be a big success .

  • @michaelsmith8467
    @michaelsmith8467 7 років тому

    I've made that approach to Rusty Allen several times. Always a bumpy ride all the way down. Wind always gusty.

  • @fireflyrobert
    @fireflyrobert 7 років тому

    Nice video thanks - I also have grown to like the Tomahawk - great for training

  • @df5118
    @df5118 8 років тому

    Good luck with the flight school! We're about the same age and you've gone a lot further with your flying than I have.

  • @tommeeker4667
    @tommeeker4667 7 років тому

    Thank you--great info. I'm considering a PA-38 for my first plane. Best wishes on your new venture.

  • @belindabaxter2746
    @belindabaxter2746 7 років тому

    man that was a great flight seeing majove you talking about Edwards afb was stationed there for a year till I got out then flying into pecos brings back memories of home dad lives in Kermit tx to plus the mountains and big bear in ca went snow sking in big bear but also the mountaons was pretty

  • @mannylebron2880
    @mannylebron2880 3 роки тому

    thats a lovely looking machine.

  • @tambb57
    @tambb57 8 років тому

    Short or long flights, like them all, Thanks kid.

  • @taccs27570
    @taccs27570 8 років тому

    I always loved the 'Hawk. It's a great trainer IMO because it forces the student to really learn what piloting s all about. Newer aircraft with anti-spin features are great, but a student really doesn't learn rudder work or to avoid or get out of a spin. The PA-38 was built or this while still being a fairly stable platform. I'm a fan.

  • @pinkdispatcher
    @pinkdispatcher 8 років тому

    Thanks. It's interesting to fly without vacuum if you are used to the instruments. On the very first flight after I got my license, a ferry flight from the maintenance shop to my flight school as part of the familiarisation flights on my Socata Rallye with my flight instructor, the vacuum pump failed. We got home fine by magnetic compass (and an ancient GPS), and I continued some more familiarisation flights without AI and DG. Not a big deal in VMC.

  • @nateabelflyingclub6867
    @nateabelflyingclub6867 8 років тому

    We love the videos josh!

  • @TeemarkConvair
    @TeemarkConvair 8 років тому

    fun looking machine.. good luck with the "school"!!

  • @steveneldridge8933
    @steveneldridge8933 7 років тому

    Good video had some lessons years ago in a tomahawk going to start lessons in the spring for ppl

  • @rafaeldearaujoportilho6556
    @rafaeldearaujoportilho6556 8 років тому

    Josh, I love to watch your videos. It would be a dream if someday I'll be able to live/fly in US. Today I fly a Mitsubishi MU-2 (MEDEVAC) in Brazil. But things in aviation here are difficult. I expect that the investors come back after the president impeachment and it would be possible to be a First Officer at a big Airline. Great production and editing! Good to see you like to share what you love.

  • @nicknobens7748
    @nicknobens7748 8 років тому

    I'm really happy for you and good luck for your flight school

  • @epictetus9766
    @epictetus9766 3 роки тому

    I was learning in a C172 before changing to a Tomahawk - biggest thing, for me, was the nose position on the artificial horizon. I found myself having to put the nose much lower in the Tomahawk and took a bit of getting used to.

  • @lindsaythomas2283
    @lindsaythomas2283 6 років тому

    Got my private flying mostly Tomahawks. Great visibility. Great cheap flying. It was interesting to watch the "T" tail on these planes wobble during power off stalls. Scary. We never did spins in this aircraft, saved that for the Cessna high wings. I really enjoyed flying the Tomahawk.

  • @scottkailey1
    @scottkailey1 7 років тому

    Cool video thanks for sharing.

  • @81Logansk
    @81Logansk 7 років тому

    The Tomahawk is a really sweet little plane.

  • @MrWelch1
    @MrWelch1 8 років тому

    Very nice video Josh! I'm about to get my sports license. I wish the FAA would change the weights for a light sport aircraft. Be cool to fly one of these or a C-150.

  • @bensibold2023
    @bensibold2023 7 років тому

    Great landing👌

  • @cowboy6591
    @cowboy6591 6 років тому

    I would imagine us Powered Parachute pilots and or Ultralight pilots with no radio drive you guys nuts.
    Watching your videos has made up my mind to get instructions on radio communications and invest.

    • @Aviation101
      @Aviation101  6 років тому

      cowboy6591 it’s really helpful to have radios on board. I always have a UHF radio on me what I fly the PPG, but I haven’t really left the clutches of my instructor yet. When I start flying distances more I’ll carry a VHF as well.

  • @cameronbell5015
    @cameronbell5015 8 років тому

    I started learning in a tomahawk before moving to a C152, but my tomahawk instructor told me to never move the rudder on the ground when not rolling in a PA-38 because it can stretch the cables.

  • @danieladilbaev1573
    @danieladilbaev1573 4 роки тому

    I just idolise what you do with all of these stuffs)

  • @Mike-01234
    @Mike-01234 6 років тому

    Nice have that big fan on the front to cool you down when you popped the door open

  • @23Firedude
    @23Firedude 7 років тому

    Learned to fly in a tomahawk. Great airplane.

  • @TheAjs71
    @TheAjs71 7 років тому

    Looking forward to hearing all about your adventures running a flight school...

  • @danielusa998
    @danielusa998 5 років тому

    Love your channel

  • @FlyingFrankFan
    @FlyingFrankFan 8 років тому

    I prefer the Tomahawk to the 152. I used to fly PA38s quite a bit several years ago, and one of my sons got his PPL in them. Your video brought back some memories. I haven't found one to fly for some time. For your school (and good luck with that!), they are much cheaper to run than a 172 or PA28. Without mods., the spin can be nasty. I never fancied trying out spinning one!

  • @cbholla6166
    @cbholla6166 7 років тому +1

    Great bird, I currently own one and rather fly this than a 150/152/172. Easy to fly, cheap, and good speed for being a trainer.

  • @flybouy11
    @flybouy11 7 років тому

    You will have fun if you spin it. Make sure you do not have aft CG. I used to instruct in the Tomahawk. When they first came out without the stall strips we called them the Hatchett. That is when no student were around.

  • @kiwikeith7633
    @kiwikeith7633 3 роки тому +1

    Okay its an old item, but watching it, I feel perhaps I should mention one of my first student pre-flights on a Cherokee 160. I am guessing the Tomahawk flaps actuator mechanism is similar on both aircraft. I watched the Cherokee arrive and the pilot bounce out and come briskly to the office. He announced the plane was wonderful. In the Pre-flight, I got as far as the starboard flap. I inspected what I could see of the actuating mechanism and noticed that the clevice pin was almost fully disengaged. No split-pin or washers. Upon declaring the plane U/S - the instructor and the pilot could not believe it, and so went to the plane to look for themselves. Their manner was they doubted this student. Soon they turned white. Asymmetric flap appeals no more to them than me. But too many of us get negligent in a lot of vital aviation aspects.

  • @flapthrottle4394
    @flapthrottle4394 3 роки тому

    Learned flying on a 38.... also my first solo... would love to fly it again...

  • @annyer262
    @annyer262 3 роки тому

    I would like to do some flying in a PA38 now. I regularly fly a PA28 so it would be an easy transition. I learnt to fly in a Cessna 150, then checked out in a 172 then the PA28. Now I prefer to do all my flying in the piper. I like the flap lever, you can put the flaps in fast if you want.

  • @davidswelt
    @davidswelt 7 років тому

    I started my power training in one at my home airport (KUNV). Very nice, simple airplane. Seems like a great, economical trainer. $100/hr wet. (The flight school isn't making much money at that price, but countless new CFIs are getting lots of hours.)

  • @topefu
    @topefu 7 років тому

    Good luck with your flight school. It will be successful I am sure. Nice plane for students.

  • @Flightsworldwidevideos
    @Flightsworldwidevideos 7 років тому

    great video!!

  • @gregellis3859
    @gregellis3859 8 років тому

    Plane still has an ashtray. Sweet! 😉

  • @christopherterrell1805
    @christopherterrell1805 7 років тому

    Been thinking long and hard Ha, about buying a traumahawk, because I do love the visibility, but my field is 6,120' and it's pretty hot here in the summer, worried about power given our average 8,200' DA I mean there are guys flying Grumman Yankees, and a few 160HP 172s, but you can definitely see them struggle. One of the Yankees failed to climb and "landed" on the Golf course off the end of the runway earlier this year.