DARK CLOUD BETA LOST Demon Shaft BETA and AGA EXPLAINED
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- Опубліковано 26 лип 2024
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This video focuses on LOST Demon Shaft BETA and AGA EXPLAINED in addition to the Mysterious Dark Cloud 1.5, Interviewing Level 5 staff to get to the bottom of this decades old mystery and other aspects of Demon Shaft Beta Material!
This video is full of trivia and information, you don't want to miss out on it!
Many thanks to Roghroo for providing the art!
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TIMESTAMPS:
0:00 Introduction
1:04 Demon Shaft Beta Deepdive
3:17 Beta Chronicle Swords
3:41 Seda's Involvement
4:28 Dark Knight Analysis
6:14 Mysterious Dark Cloud 1.5
10:27 488#$^&*
10:45 Level 5 Interview
12:20 Negative Aura
14:14 Special Thanks - Ігри
The end is never really the end. Would you believe in me, the way I believe in you?
I have no idea what your talking about 😉
I love the idea that Level 5 is constantly getting calls from you and they're like "oh god THIS guy again."
Bro you have no idea, I reach out to everyone in a profession approach; most are very polite and see the Dark Cloud* Compendium as a celebration of their work but I also have a small collection of angry responses Japanese Twitter from previous Level 5 devs 😂
It comes with the territory of putting yourself out there, it's all love at the end of the day ✌🏼🤠
@@DarkCloudCompendiumthat kind of stuff can be stressful. We appreciate you putting it on the line for our benefit.
@@DarkCloudCompendium really appreciate it HC!
Have they told you when they gonna make dark cloud 3? 😂
@@Randomthew I choose to exist in a mental place of optimism and positivity and I think.....around the same time TWoW comes out
I never got to beat the Demon Shaft as a kid thanks to a corrupted memory card so I only managed to beat it on the PS4 port. When I made it to that final floor it felt so accomplishing to defeat the Black Knight. Damn those Holy Gemrons, they take so many hits!
SEDAROTHHH! It's great to hear from You!🤠
You took the words right out of my mouth a Demon shaft later on became such a challenge I remember I did a whole Play of dark cloud using the dagger Only and when I completed The Game I did think about doing the Demon chat but I thought You Don't WANT much not be too Crazy with this😂
What did you think of all of the NEW beta material found in this episode
I finished the demon shaft 3 times. I've always been a post game grind monster so I beat it after my brother beat the main game when we were kids. I remember being so amazed by the black knight pendragon as a child. I beat the entire game twice again as an adult. It's really fun to go through this dungeon honestly. Love this video man!
So great to hear frok you again! Happy Halloween!
It's crazy how fast time flies, I'm happy that we beat the Demon shaft later on as it feels like a new peice of Dark Cloud media since we never experienced it!
What did you think of the Chronicle Sword Beta Designs 🌟👀
@@DarkCloudCompendium It looks great but I prefer the version we ended up with. I would've loved to see the beta design in the game as another sword though. Yeah buddy time flies it's the reminder to enjoy our time before it flies. 🙏
I've been reading about the Demon Shaft since I never reached it myself. That theory about the identity of the Black Knight :o ...awesome and kinda sad
@@ThommyofThenn yes it's a very intriguing and somber mystery indeed
@@alibaghdady9710 I agree with this comment too. I had Dark Cloud on my ps4 and I got to Dark Heaven before I took a break from it. Sadly my ps4 had a meltdown and I ended up losing progress/money from it, but even worse... I wasn't able to finally beat Dark Cloud entirely on my own. My friend and I played it years ago but he played just much as if not more than I did so I had large chunks of the game I'd never played before
WOW this was so much to take in! I agree the demon shaft is the one most peculiar and unique dungeon of the series, it was so out place, the one that is VERY different. I want to agree with you that Black Night Pendragon Toan's Father, Aga! But its an inference! Although, Aga seems to be a sword gift giver! First experience of Aga is a gift of a sword, the sun sword, right? Aga made Gosuke to give to You. Now that when you beat the black knight, another sword is given to you. 🤔🤔🤔 😯
You got my gears in my head turning...
Do you know what exactly steve said about Toan "knowing" Black Knight??
Also a side note, i made it to floor 10 ish in the demon shaft, ever. I stopped as it was kinda repetitive, as we know, one HUNDRED floors😵💫😵💫😵💫, but with these Aga backstory inferences...seems that I might go back and fullfil this new head cannon!
Brofistbro! It's always a good day when I see you in the comment section; I'm glad you enjoyed the video ✌🏼😎✌🏼
There's definitely a pattern with the swords being handed down, again it's like he wants to support his son on completing the journey that he was never able to finish himself due to being in the tower
With Steve the easiest answer to that is 'let's go to the JP version and see what he says there to compare' but we don't even have that option sadly, Steve himself is a magically being and through using his dialogue with Xiao we learn that he's from Apache Village, an area of immense heat; similar to the cut Flame Dungeon which was located next to Norune which gets covered by the Moon. I feel like maybe he knows more than he's letting on.... 🤔
What did you think of all the NEW Beta content discovered, do you prefer the old or redesigned Chronicle Swords? 👀🌟
@@DarkCloudCompendium i like the beta versions! They looked unique and I honestly think they really were made for Seda, he seems to handle broad swords easily.
Growing up I never finished the Demon Shaft but as an adult I did finally beat it :)
Yo yo Panic at the Brunch! It's crazy how fast time flies, I'm happy that we beat the Demon shaft later on as it feels like a new peice of Dark Cloud media since we never experienced it
I can definitely hear the similarities between Pendragon and the Battle theme in between the two. However, there have been enough changes that I feel it's distinctive enough.
One was probably a beta version of the other. Of which one was which we don't know. Pendragon's theme could've been the earlier version or it could've been the refined version.
It definitely matches though since it sounds very medieval fantasy with the stringy instruments which is what Pendragon is modeles after.
As for whether I've completed the Demon Shaft... I think I've only ever completed it... ONCE. And that was only a few years ago.
I never even got to the end of Dark Cloud until I got a full copy of the game towards the end of my teenage years.
Dark Cloud is so long it makes RDR2 seem like a casual weekend playthrough game😂. Jk jk but it really is a LONG game
The link between Pendragon's theme and the Battle theme is interesting, it allows us to hear the musical development of the track in real time!
I only finished the Demon Shaft later on around 2015, it was really cool seeing a part of Dark Cloud that I never experienced before!
What did you think of all the NEW beta material 👀🌟
Persona 5 is shorter than Dark Cloud 😤
@@DarkCloudCompendium really awesome. I liked the beta image of the demon shaft level leaver. They definitely were intially basing that design on a more traditional structure of the previous dungeons.
But the platforms we got in the end were best. Gave more of an ethereal vibe of the tower. It didn't feel threatening, but definitely eerie.
Aga was either killed by Pendragon and the Chronicle 2 was his sword. Or he was corrupted and became Pendragon.
The question I have is... how does Steve know this? What's his backstory? What was his life before he became a slingshot?
Also I don't know how I missed the fact that a lot of the Dark Chronicle new monsters all appear in this level albeit under different names for a lot of them (although I think the bomber and the boulder monster are from other dungeons in Dark Cloud).
And you saying that demon shaft is like a bridge to these two games! Oh that is so perfect to put for my essay when talking about reading these two as literature!
Another wonderful video for the compendium! You described my experience accidentally finding the beta design of the Chronicle Sword perfectly. I think not knowing every detail about the lore of Dark Cloud provides a sense of desire to make your own assumptions and come up with your own theories. This is why I love the Dark Cloud series so much! No two playthroughs are exactly the same, for gameplay or story and lore. Keep up the amazing content HiddenCastle! The Dark Cloud community thanks you!
Hey hey hello Cuboid Pixel, it's great to hear from you again! Happy Halloween 🎃 🌟
It's actually crazy that you came across that in your playthrough, what are the odds right! It's crazy to believe that even after 20 years the Dark Cloud Community is still finding new things out about this iconic games! Thank you for being there every step of the way 🙏🏼
Came back to watch again, still feelin like spooky season. It would have been so cool to see the gang running through that Demon Shaft passage, I think I'd like that over the elevator.
SHAZZZYYY!! Great to see YOU here in the comment section! 🤠✌🏼🤠
The Halloween Spirit never dies, spooky vibes are all year round for the two of us; it's a spooktacular thing 🎃
The beta and cut content of the Demon Shaft is really a microcosm of all the little things Level 5 wanted to implement but were able to, from beta sword designs belonging to cut characters to the floating Demon Shaft resembling the Floating Continent of the 1999 TGS Demo; it felt like Level 5 wanted to fill that area with all the scrapped ideas they couldn't use!
What did you think of the NEW beta and cut content presented in this video? 👀🌟
I regret not adding the beta design for the elevator, I found in the files to this video, sadly I was running out of time to create this video, maybe we can add it to the next one haha 😂
Cheers Shazzy ✌🏼
@@DarkCloudCompendium Ayy you bet. Always love to see some new beta content. I remember seeing those chunky swords from the reddit post lol. Neat to see but glad they did change that one. I like what we got with the demon shaft but some of the scrapped ideas were good, again especially that passage.
@@Shaztopia1Would you believe me if I say there was ANOTHER scrapped elevator hahaha!
Level 5 made quite a number of transitioning sequences for Demon Shaft:
There was the earliest beta transitioning scene which I showed in this video, an earlier version of the final elevator with a different design which I forgot to show off and then the final one we see in game!
Level 5 just loves their scrapped content! ✌🏼🤠
I didnt finished the demon shaft because i made a huge mistake as a kid. I put all the good weapons into one weapon for ungaga 🤡 (smart) so he was the only one fighter on this location.
I love this part of the game so much!!!! I love how the place looks like, i love to hear wind and the bell from this abandoned guiant tower, that actually took my heart as a kid. Even now it makes me that special feeling. I also in love how it looks inside, and the music from there oh god, so calm. (I even build the same pretty huge area in minecraft inspired with these brown, growth with mold bricks (no footage saved))
Thank you so much for this video hiddencastle you took my heart again and i also cant believe what it passed like 2 or 3 years, wheb i found this channel and met the greatest content creator and such a nice person 💜
Hey Noisy, it's always great to hear from you again! That's kind of you to say, thank you for the kind words; the pleasure is all mine 🙏🏼
Hahahahah you know what, I did the exact same thing only with Toan! I made him my tank where as everyone else had nothing to offer 😂
As soon as you enter the area your bombarded with this ominous atmosphere, there's nothing quite like it. That's such a shame I would have loved to see that area in Minecraft, your so talented I bet it would have looked great. 😊
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YOU PUT SOUL HACKERS MUSIC OMG THANK YOU!!!❤❤❤
10:27 Yes
@@mohamedhamsterdan9330What a good tune, simply one of the best 😎✌🏼
@@0pride809It's always a good day with a good tune like that one 💯👌
As a kid I always wondered why I never found the flapping duster for one of the dungeons, pretty cool they added in a bonus dungeon with 100 floors to compensate for that.
Casketkrusher!!!! 💥💯😎
Oh for sure! The mystery of the Flapping was something that always perplexed me as a kid, especially when learning about the JP version and the differences it had it felt like somewhere out in the land of the rising sun they had a mythical version of Dark Cloud with different combat and a backfloor we never saw
The best case scenario would be for Sony to add the duster back in to the Greatest Hits release and make it a 2.0 version, we would have got the duster, bonus monsters, weapons and fish provided in the worldwide release along with the exclusive Demon Shaft and flapping duster but Sony were lazy :P
It still makes me gasp that the Pendragon battle theme is Dark Cloud 2's beta battle theme. I guess the beta theme really sounded more of as a boss theme so they gave it to him and made a completely new and fresh one for DC2.
I still get an uneasy feeling from that tower. 100 whole floors of nothing but death awaiting anyone who dares to steps in it. And if Aga truly surpassed every challenge that got in his way, what happened at the top? Was it the Dark Genie who made him evil? Was it the Pendragon itself as a punishment for losing against that creature? Or was it the Chronicle 2 sword itself, filling him with darkness as he touched that cursed sword that has been in that tower for thousands and thousands of years? Take a look at the colors of both of the swords. Chronicle has a light green color, usually indicating the good while Chronicle 2's color is reddish-orange indicating evil. Perhaps 2 warriors fought on the top of that same tower. The warrior with the Chronicle being the victorious one sealed Chronicle 2 in that tower so its power could never fall to the wrong hands again. Fast foward years later and Aga came across to that sword. Touching it immediately made the soul of the sword take him over. A few years later and Toan got his hands on the Atlamillia, he was given the power to wield the Chronicle sword (notice how its evolution comes after the Atlamillia sword) indicating that something has gone wrong in the tower.
Anyway, great video as always Hiddencastle!
I find these thoughts fascinating!
Hey hey BeeRashiMan! It's great to hear from you it's been a while!
The link between Pendragon's theme and the Battle theme is interesting, it allows us to hear the musical development of the track in real time!
Those questions are exactly why I made this video, I wish I had more time to add a speculation section but I wanted to keep everything factual; those thoughts are golden and your onto something for sure!
I didn't even think about the colors of the swords, giving me a Luke and Darth Vader Vibe too; thanks for the interesting thoughts
What did you think of all the NEW beta material 👀🌟
RIGHT! A lot of things I didn't consider!
@@DarkCloudCompendium a video on your own speculations and such similar thoughts would actually be interesting to see.
@@DarkCloudCompendium I loved the new stuff you brought for us in this video, it actually made the entire Demon Shaft even more of a mystery since even the developers refused to answer a crucial question
Makes you think what they were planning
Man put casually legend of dragoon ost at the end thinking we wouldnt notice :P
Ah, I see your a man of culture as well 😄
Legend of Dragoon and Dark Cloud both represent the best JRPGs the late 90s and early 2000s had to offer; what a great time in gaming!
What did you think of all of the NEW beta content found!🌟😄
So it's been a bit since I watched one of your videos, this one was good. Honestly that image of the Beta version Demon Shaft gives me some serious Elder Scrolls: Arena vibes, specifically with how that game had some really cool fantasy art every time you entered a major plot important dungeon that would depict what the outside of the dungeon you're entering is supposed to look like, that Demon Shaft Beta image gave off a very similar energy.
Welcome back Derrick, it's great to have you back! 😎✌🏼
The Demon Shaft was always an area covered by the mistique of mystery and I'm glad we finally unveiled some of the truth behind this illusive area🌌
What did you think of the beta Chronicle Sword Designs? 👀🌟
@@DarkCloudCompendium The Chronicle Swords are interesting but I prefer the final versions
Ah, another Dark Cloud Compendium video just in time for lunch break 😄. Good stuff!
Ohluhkaytail, you already know! I strategically time these uploads around noon so people can watch them as they take they're lunch break 🥐🌯
John Lennon said it best, We're all working class heroes 🤠✌🏼
What did you think of all of the NEW beta material for the Demon Shaft
I have to this day, yet to make it even half way up the Demon Shaft.
I aim to change that sometime in the next year.
Some interesting questions I never really thought about! I did in fact beat the Demon Shaft!
Good roosters so great to hear from you 😊🎉
I'm happy that this video was able to solve most of the questions that we had and some we never truly thought about, a real deepdive into the atmospheric mystique of the Demon Shaft
What did you think of the NEW beta cut content? 🤔
Also you did such a nice job with comparing the mists of time in the game with our real world tendencies to take things for granted, assuming something will always be there, until it's not. Really good ending
I always get happy when I see you come up in the comment section, hope all is well NordicThommy! 😁🌟
The wonderful thing about art is that we grew to appreciate it more as we get older and we could see it through a different lens one that we didn't have when we were younger; vidya games are no different 💯✌🏼
SEDAROTHHH! It's great to hear from You!🤠
What did you think of all of the NEW beta material found in this episode 👀
Duuuude!! This was amazing i love love ❤️!!! These deep dives on different aspects of dark cloud! Great job brother!!
Yo look who it is it's so great to hear from You! 😄
Honestly these types of videos use mystery Deep dive videos and honestly Feels like a Treasure hunt finding Lost media after Years & Years of it being Lost is a best Feeling for all of us as a community so I Really do enjoy these videos too next month the dark cloud 3 iceberg December
@DarkCloudCompendium ooo snap I'm so excited for that! Can't wait to see what all you can find on DC3!! Big thanks for everything you do friend 🙏 it is much appreciated!
It took me years to beat the demon shaft as a kid... in fact I remember being scared of the eerie feeling in the demon shaft so much that I had beaten DC2's Zelmite mines before I returned to the demon shaft.
Hey there it's so great to hear from You again Ceasar😎✌🏼
man the Demon shaft Really did have this Really haunting atmosphere there was something with how this area was designed by the developer as I exuded This Feeling of dread and sadness I Really didn't enjoy making this video I think that a lot of us felt the same way 😁
Glad to see there's always new stuff coming! 😉
Hey hey Pier, it's great to hear from you! There's always something to talk about when it comes to these amazing games and the Dark Cloud Compendium 🎊
What did you think of all the NEW Beta Content 🌟👀
@@DarkCloudCompendium What I think? That this game needs proper remake, with all the stuff they left behind, but I know I'm asking the impossible 🤣
PS: I don't know if I already tell you this, but in the italian translation of Dark Chronicle there is a "funny" thing about the photos. As you can see in this video here ua-cam.com/video/0nk38NRQIws/v-deo.htmlsi=v9AhesawetvzyMA_
At 0:25 there are 2 entries with the same value "Scala". That Is because in italian there's no difference between "stairs" and "staircase".
Of course feel free to ask anything that involves italian translations 😉
Hey homie, great video as usual appreciate all the effort you do to keep this game alive!
Ay ay Pissant950, it's always great to see you here in the comment section; thank you for all your support! 🤠
What did you think of all of the NEW beta material found in this episode 👀
In my current playthrough on PS4 this is my second time in the Demon Shaft.
I definitely think BKP is him.
Now that said.... I've got a dark drunkard god's own black knight form to figure out...... Inspired by BKP himself!
@@kaleajadesilver8918I wonder who that animal is, Toan has Xiao and AGA has that mysterious tiger
@@DarkCloudCompendium A tiger?? I always saw it being more akin to like a big saber toothed panther-type-like but with a lion-ended tailed tip and a lynx's/leopard's face in design. Lacking the stripes a tiger would have. Kinda of reminds me of the stories I saw on MonsterQuest of a big black cat creature that was kind like black panther-lion thingy in an episode or so.
Either way Big Kitty. It is mysterious though that's true.
(And yet still, a huge inspiration for Asterkoll's horned cat Cuddles.....)
I didn't finish the Demon Shaft until early last year on the PS4. As a kid, I just didn't have strong enough weapons as my Mobius Bangle for Ruby didn't get the job done and none of my melee characters had good weapons. I think I got up to like the 60th floor? In 2021-2022, I decided to platinum Dark Cloud and did it finally.
Hey hey YukeWiess, it's always a pleasure to see you here in the comment section 😊🌟
It's funny you mention that I went through the exact same thing as a kid back in 2002, I just started using the Demon Shaft as this thing I would do if I had no other games to play, I got to floor 50 max. I only cleared it in 2015 when I started getting back into Dark Cloud!🤭
What did you think of all the NEW Beta content discovered, do you prefer the old or redesigned Chronicle Swords? 👀🌟
@@DarkCloudCompendium To be honest I feel like I had some most of this before minus the Demon Shaft interstitial. It's all pretty interesting stuff though as I had never thought that the publishers would have made the Demon Shaft.
I beat demon shaft on my first playthrough and when I got the chronicle 2 it had durable.
No way Muaro! That's beyond lucky, you should have bought a lottery ticket that day!
What did you think of the NEW beta content found 🌟👀
Loved it, we talked about Pen Dragon being Aga before. There is surprisingly a lot of hidden content with this game, it just makes me wander how awesome DC 3 would have been
This is amazing ❤❤❤
Your so kind 💜🙏🏼
What did you think of ALL the NEW beta material! 💯👀
@@DarkCloudCompendium Great. I loved every second.
In other alternative timeline we have Dark Cloud 3
Berati, so great to hear from you again, we actually got a glimpse at that alternative timeline right here on our channel, take a look 👀🌟
ua-cam.com/video/TNSU-HgkA9k/v-deo.htmlsi=9bV3QrQl4sczGsxw
The links between the two games are interesting - although as i said i haven't played the sequel
That's actually so surprising D R, what kept you from playing Chronicle 🤔
@@DarkCloudCompendium I never got round to that one and then later it seemed to become very rare. - In fact I might not have initially known the two games were even related due to the name change and the different style of graphics.
Here are the questions I have to ask
2. On all the research and knowledge of dark cloud that U know, is there anything like in the files of the game or beta cut content that suggests a prologue to dark cloud (anything before dark cloud norune destruction)
3. Are there any other beta images of other dungeons or villages
4. At the end what was that purple box
Hey Liam happy to answer your questions!
1: There's no evidence of any deleted scenes prior to the main intro, although there are several scenes in the debug menu in each village, about 5 or 6 scenes that go unused that were most likely scrapped for time constraints
As of now there are no other textures that I have depicting beta dungeons, the Demon Shaft texture I had for 4 years before this video! I do have beta dungeon artifacts from Xiao's puzzles, she really changed a lot in development and maybe it's worth it's own video later on down the line
Can you give me a time code for the purple box?
@@DarkCloudCompendium could U summerise the time constraint scenes that were unused please
Yes definitely needs a video.
Time stamp: ..
I can't find the purple box lol maybe a nitrate glitch in the video on my end
That's a good question and one that I can't answer unfortunately. When you boot up those scenes in the debug menu the game crashes, meaning that Level 5 deleted those scenes prior to the game's release.
If we maybe had an earlier build it might give us clues but as of now there really isn't anything aside from the number of scenes that crash the game due to Level 5 deleting the data associated with them :)
@@DarkCloudCompendium thanks for the knowledge. What's the earliest build we know of. Assuming beta Japan disc?
We need DC3 so badly !!!!
Imagine what Level 5 could do with Dark Cloud 3!
What would you like to see out of a modern DC 3 👀🌟
@@DarkCloudCompendium did you saw the dark cloud 3 video. In UA-cam Just type dark cloud 3 interview. Then you see a glimpse of the gameplay
happy halloween
Happy Halloween Jinyboi! 🎃
What did you think of the Chronicle Sword Beta Designs 🌟👀
It's alright but it doesn't hold a candle to the island king 👀
Hi there. It's Liam crutch.
Ine the intro cinimatic toan has no hat on. I wondered if there was a dark cloud files that had a model of him without a hat
There definitely is a separate model for that 😄
@@DarkCloudCompendium haha cool
Level 5 stream is over and still no Dark Cloud 3...
I was watching too with baited breath only to have my hopes let down once again BUT
What if I told you we already got Dark Cloud 3.... well sort of! 👀🌟
ua-cam.com/video/TNSU-HgkA9k/v-deo.html
Hi there. I was just wandering so u think it's possible to help more fans have access to the enhanced mod? For example the people who don't have pc or people who can't run pcsx2? When pondering on the topic I could think of 2 things.
1. Couldn't u use aethersx2 as it used pcsx2 as a basis for its app.
2.could u "hypothetically" on in the mod then burn the disc to an ISO and have that iso with the enhanced mod.
I'm pretty sure 1 wouldn't work because u need pcsx2 percifically to play the mod and I thought 2 wouldn't work because u need the mod then unning in the background to play it.
So do u want hink there's a way to get around some of these things and if so would u see your self trying to research how to do something like it.
Also please i need a playthrough of dark cloud enhanced mod. Even if it was a vid a month so that it serves as a "break month".
With the dark cloud enhanced mode right now the only way to play it is on PCSX2 there isn't any plans to bring the mod to any other platforms yet due to how the program works, it needs PCSX2 to function
We're working on getting it open source, hopefully when that happens it will open the doors for future ports of our mod programs:)
Will watch later! 🩵
Okay it's later time to watch this.
What did you think 🌟👀
@@DarkCloudCompendium interesting! Especially the comparison of the music something I noticed for years but didn't fully acknowledge until now because I didn't think to listen to them back to back. =}
How do u think the mayor survived along woth toan lol
? 😂
I think there's a good reason behind it when you look at the Dark Genie character, he's pure evil and deliberately spared some people to suffer alone, the Mayor was a leader now with no people to lead, Ungaga was a warrior with no one left to defend
@@DarkCloudCompendium yes I can see that now haha