Great video! I just did a test and by pre soaking with a rinse less and power washing it off. I think it took the same amount of dirt off ( if not more) than using a foam cannon. It took me 30 minutes to do a complete rinse less wash and apply a graphene spray wax as I dried it. It normally takes me close to an hour to do a traditional soap contact wash. It has taken me awhile to convert. Because of your videos I’ve joined the rinseless team. I’ve started using the rinseless mixture in my carpet extractor. Works like a charm! Thanks Yvan.
Great video, thanks for sharing. I love the rinseless wash, especially since I live in an apartment and do not have access to running water. Lots of pre rinsing before with a spray bottle, bucket with rinseless in it and grit guard, and a nice 1300gsm double tweed microfiber and job done. I experimented on my old car, and now I was my brand new RSQ3 this way. Oh, and my car is black, and I definitely feel safe using this method. Just one sidenote, when the car is really dirty, I do go to the car wash to do some power washing, but I like Yvan's suggestion of prerinsing with a rinseless wash - it makes so much sense.
Did my first ONR wash yesterday on both my cars. WOW!!!! Both cars seem cleaner than when washing with soap. Totally Impressed. Thanks for all the informative videos you have done.
Yvan gives the same solid advice no matter the product and isn’t even selling us anything here. This dude is a gem and I’m glad there’s intelligent mind promoting progressive tech in the industry over doing it the old way just because that’s all you know. Some classic things just aren’t worth it anymore.
Yvon …… My Ultra Black sponge arrived on Thursday, so last night I washed my pickup. For the first time, I followed your rinseless wash method ….. I am definitely a convert! It was easier with fewer steps. Washing with this method I felt my paint was safe throughout the process. Using McKees 37 914 as a prewash spray and in my wash bucket I had lots of lubrication. For drying I used Turtle Wax Flex Wax as a drying lubricant. I felt confident in the method and the truck looks great 👍. Thank you for your great informative videos 🤠
I fully agree with this video Yvan ... perfectly explained.. I been getting cars i coated a year ago with opti coat .. within 6 months ... they still look good but almost zero hydrophobics... after a while I realized my clients wash their car with soap and hard water and thats been forming a layer within a few months
I'm a little skeptical of this, no offense. I use some incredibly hard water unfortunately, and use standard car soap...my 4 year coating still has great beading after 2.5 years and no toppers. Check out Scott HD's channel where he does extended coating tests
Great video, Yvan, and I've learned a lot about maintaining my and my wife's cars from you, Pan, and several other UA-camrs who promote rinseless washing. For the past four years, I've enjoyed using ONR off and on, between foam cannon/two bucket washes using Meguiar's Gold Class soap on my black E Class. However, this winter (I live in Metro DC so we can get bad weather at times), I began applying ONR with a pump sprayer, letting it dwell to loosen heavy road grime, and then alternating between using 6-7 microfiber towels (folded into eighths) and a (non-BRS/non-BBS) serrated sponge to apply ONR. I keep a 256:1 mixture of ONR in a bucket filled with four gallons of distilled water with a grit guard and sealed with a gamma lid in my garage. Despite reassurances that the polymers release dirt from the wash media, I noticed that the ONR smelled a bit rancid after 1-2 washes. I've since started using an otherwise identical "dirty" bucket with two gallons of regular water and a capful of ONR into which I squeeze the sponge after each pass. Then, I use the "clean" bucket to wash my paint. Since then, the ONR mix has stayed much cleaner and I can get 5-6 washes out of it. Once I learned about pre-spraying ONR, I've found rinseless washing to be more convenient and at least as effective as my former soap method and now very seldom wash any of our cars the traditional way. Sorry for burying the lede, but shortly after I bought my first bottle of ONR in early 2018, I also bought the ONR Wash and Wax (green) formula. I keep a mixture of ONRWW and distilled water in a spray bottle in my trunk (along with 8-10 microfiber cloths) to combat bird bombs or other debris that get on my paint between washes. Despite being on my third bottle of blue ONR, using ONRWW for this limited purpose, I have only used about 1/4 bottle of ONRWW in the past four years. Haven't seen much about ONRWW and am curious about your thoughts on its efficacy vs. the regular blue ONR. I occasionally use it as a drying aid (i.e., spritz the ONRWW onto panels that have dried out or are about to do so before towel drying. Is this good practice? Thanks in advance for your feedback.
Thanks for the comments. The odour in your wash bucket is from what you’re removing from the surface of the car contaminating the solution. Occasionally clean your sponge with APC or dish soap, ONR tends to saturate the wash media with grime. ONRWW is as good and versatile as the standard, plus it leaves behind a bit of protection.
Issues I had when using rinseless wash. Though, it was a major help in getting my business mobile 1. I'm in the southeast US and many parts of the year we have something falling from the trees that gets caught up on cars. Pine neeldes, leaves, acorns, catkins etc. The only way to remove excessive amounts compacted in the cowls or roof would be free flowing water of some kind 2. Over 75% of my customer base had big trucks/suvs. Even wth a ladder it was difficult getting some roofs and hoods by hand. A wash media on a extension pole would do wonders
Glad an expert said it. All these people using foam cannons for years aren’t doing much. Maybe removing the top layer of dirt but leaving behind the dirt attached to the clear coat.
Great video from an expert detailer. IMO.. I have been saying the waterless has been a better wash as well in winter months, in fact I have tested both and I felt like the waterless ONR with drying add work the best. I used 1200 gsm for drying towel.
I just realized something this morning. When I squeeze my BRS to get it just to dripping I am forcing a ton of ONR out. I am literally pressure washing the sponge from the inside out. Mind blown.
I'm a die-hard ONR fan, with the BRS, currently on my second one. Will order the UBS with my next order. Washing my car in the garage is a luxury I can't live without anymore. I fully agree with a sponge being the safest wash method, with dirt passing through the pores. I do notice it holds on to dirt inside, and I occasionaly use soms Power Clean to foam it up and rinse it out. Takes out alot of black dirt.
I really enjoyed this video, I wish I had seen it earlier before I decided to go and buy a lot of stuff. This really makes sense to me and I am totally going to run my chemicals down then eventually implement these methods! It will do a number of things such as minimising products needed which means you work towards bigger bulk purchases making it cheaper overall, and improving time efficiency which means less labour hours for me/more profitability. Love the channel and the way you share your experiences.
Hey Yvan, I know this is an older video but I would love to see a start to finish rinsless wash from you, there are a ton of videos from others, yes but i guess I just would love to see your exact methods and tips on rinseless washing an entire car along with a possible clay and polish as well. I’m not sure if that’s something you’d be into doing, hopefully it’s not too crazy of an ask, if not just point me in the direction of someone that you feel does the best rinseless wash on UA-cam. Thanks, and keep the knowledge coming!
Very interesting, thank you very much. This is the first video I've watched proposing rinseless washes as the safest method, and several replays later (and hearing you reiterate your points in Pan's video) I think I might be converted. Weird how ideas and opinions often lag behind the science :) After this shock to the system I might need to learn a little more to feel completely assured but I'm very glad I found this one.
Thank you, try it, and you’ll quickly adopt it. Here is another video to watch. The SCIENCE behind DIY Detail Rinseless Wash! DIY Detail Podcast #15 ua-cam.com/video/eAr2NIUz-5E/v-deo.html
@@Detailers-Business-Academy Thanks, Yvan. "Shots fired!" haha. The part after 4 mins in helped: "the reason it's safer isn't necessarily the wash", it's the drying process that carries the most risk. You've convinced me that rinseless is "safe-er" technically speaking (for the reasons you give here), although when foaming the vehicle serves a purpose (e.g. with other chemicals as part of a full decon wash) my takeaway is that, with proper technique in each case, using a quality drying aid pretty much levels the field, which is nice to know. Thanks again.
I'm extremely interested in trying out the rinseless wash method after watching this. I've always considered the foam cannon to be the "fun" part of detailing. I can't imagine that it provides much, if any, true benefit.
Great video. It actually blew my mind 🤯. Y normally do an apc rinse before using the pressure washer and I did notice that using ONR as a window cleaner, i saw how the dirt gets encapsulated in the water drops and is lifted up from the paint
G'day Yvan, another well explained video - car washing. As like your other videos, you add the WHY Factor, which ties all the other information together. Since I was young and now in my late 60's, I always wanted to know WHY you did things a certain way or WHY does it work like that, and I still ask WHY to this very day. I have the Big Yellow Sponge which I bought when I had my car coated with Opti-Coat Pro+. It hasn't done the 1,000 washes that it could do, but I will look at your designed Big Black Sponge. Again, always enjoy your informative videos. Cheers from Down Under Ozz
id love to see this actually applied in a video. Its funny how No rinse was the hot one the last few years now you are over at mckees and N-914 is better than ONR. quiet interesting.
I’ve never worked for McKee’s 37. I’m independent and do coaching and consulting for many Detailers and manufactures. There are many videos on the subject on many channels featuring a number of different Rinseless washes.
I personally find in my practice that the Big red sponge can't pick up everything. And to prevent my drying towel from picking up any dirt smudges, I still go over the entire vehicle with a wet microfiber towel or wash mitt before the drying towel touches the car. I have also considered that for those who are in business of detailing and efficiency, perhaps the multiple towel method is the way to go. Less time going back to the bucket and wringing the sponge/wash mitt, more time flipping the sides of that one towel and actively cleaning the car. It relatively safe, but probably not UltraBlack/BigRED/Yellow sponge safe.
Towels unfortunately create pressure points, and keep the dirt on their surface. If your sponge is leaving behind dirt on the surface, you may be using it too wet. It’s normal that your towel will get soiled, but what it’s picking up is encapsulated in the rinseless solution, and paint safe.
Yvan I have watched you on a couple of other videos, but this one really got my attention! Everything you said really appeals to my analytical side. This is applied chemistry for everyday life. I ordered my Ultra Black sponge and already have my McKees rinse less wash for cleaning my truck this weekend. I am not a Pro Detailer, just an old man that likes his things to look their best. What I don’t understand …… Why is this method not more popular with the Detailers? Less time and fewer products would mean higher profits! I look forward to watching your other videos and thank you for removing the “film” from my eyes 🤠
They probably just watch some videos and get into it and never think about doing it differently. Thats how i was at first and im glad i found this guy before i jumped into it lol.
I wonder whether a pressure washer might actually cause pitting, more than swirls. I imagine the initial impact pushing the dirt into the surface, but then lifting it off. I find it hard to imagine the dirt being continually pushed in and "scraped" along the surface. It would be very interesting if you could try to demonstrate pressure washing induced marring actually.
The angle and pressure all have different effects. On a fleet we maintained with only our mobile pressure washing division, after a little while the trucks started to show marring despite having never been touched.
I would like to see this done or demonstrated with a clear bucket so we can actually see that they're going to the bottom and also the traffic film to me would stay at the top so you dip in that sponge back into it
There are thousands of Rinseless wash videos on UA-cam. That said no video will convince you, invest a few $ in some Rinseless and a sponge, you will not be disappointed.
@@Detailers-Business-Academy in another comment you talked about how education can convince people and now this comment you said no video will convince you. Why do you believe that though since your videos have helped thousands try rinseless and effective convince.
The people who don’t trust the science will never be convinced by a video. No matter what they see on a video they always find faults. I’ve been in hundreds of videos on numerous UA-cam channels over the years, the comments remain the same.
So in a nutshell for a home detailer just doing carwashes... 1. Spray with diluted solution of N-914 (Green bottle rinseless wash?) (Also assuming pump spray bottle makes this part easier) 2. Wash off with pressure washer 3. Wash with Ultra Black Sponge and solutoin of N-914 in bucket (green bottle rinseless wash or white bottle rinse and wax?) 4. Dry off with microfiber towel (any suggestions on how many? One per panel? One per car OK?) 5. Repeat on all panels. Can rinseless wash be used the same way on glass as well? Thanks!
1 yes it’s easier, but not a necessity 2 yes 3 your choice 4 waffle weave or twisted loop. I wash the whole car then dry the whole car. Allow the solution to air dry a little. One towel is all you need. If working in the sun or wind, dry the panels before they completely air dry. 5 all exterior surfaces get treated the same. Thank you for watching and your questions
I have been moving towards more rinseless washing, but I have a few customers that insist on traditional car soap. Doesn't matter what I tell them, they won't be convinced - so I still keep it on hand 🤷♂️
There’s a few ways to convince them. First is education, ask them if they still use a rotary dial landline phone or a smart phone, watch a B&W tv or a large flat screen. When they answer they use the modern alternative, then explain that washing there modern paint with soap is like trying to send a text message with a rotary phone, or watching a 4K Blu-ray movie on a 13 inch tube. Washing with soap is old technology, Rinseless is safer, faster and does a better job. Next say if you want a soap wash it’s an extra $50 because you need to set up for it, and it takes longer. They will suddenly leap into the 2000’s to save $50.
I have ONR and N914... haven't tried rinseless washing YET... I will as I live in Connecticut and it's going to be too cold to use the hose soon! I'll let You know My findings! Thanks, Yvan!
I would like to see a video just about bugs, bugs on the mirror and front bumper on plastic painted surfaces that are not traditional clear coat surfaces where it seems you have to rub harder than just applying onr. I have an APC sit on there for a while with no results. And what is the best protectant. And what do you carry in your car to deal with bugs and how soon do you address them after a daily trip or an extended trip?
Very interesting. I did not realize that blasting a "dirty" car with a pressure washer first was possibly causing damage - it makes sense now that you mentioned it. I will definitely pre-rinse using something like ONR before I rinse using the pressure washer. Questions: How much ONR needs to be sprayed on? If I use a pump sprayer, should I be attempting to spray off dirt as much as possible or just let the product dwell and use the pressure washer after to spray it off? I like your scientific approach to detailing...please share more of this type of content. Thanks!
@@Detailers-Business-Academy sorry Yvan, is a garden hose ok rather than pressure wash? You've made my day with this method, it'll make washing my car a pleasure again!!! The two bucket method and foam cannon take too long 🥰
@@Detailers-Business-Academy in the video above you said a pressure washer is necessary. Did you mean either or? A hose or a pressure washer... in other videos you said you don't even need a pressure washer for those who withpit access to water but i still like pre rinsing with a hose. Sometimes I don't feel like getting the pressure washer out. Will a hose still work just as well with this?
2nd from the office 😉👌👍 Always amazing education! I normally use ONR with lots of mits in a bucket and the black sponge first besides using an IK sprayer first and on the bucket with dirt guard👌😃 maybe I am overkilling with the wash mits. I have used also the Rinseless from Owners Pride and has been good too.
@@Detailers-Business-Academy Hi Yvan! Great info as always. Your years of knowledge are much appreciated. You mentioned that foaming rinseless washes are really soaps...as 1st From Puerto Rico mentioned, I've also used OP Eco wash and have enjoyed it. Without bashing any products (not like you would anyway) , I'm curious to hear your thoughts on the product. I've used it and enjoyed it, but it does seam more soapy than any other rinseless I've used and am curious how safe it is compared to other tried and true rinseless washes out there. Thanks again!
@@bystolics I can’t comment on the “safety” of it as I haven’t put it through any tests. Here are a few tests you can do if you have another non soap based Rinseless to compare to. Pre-spray with both on a panel, allow to dwell and rinse off. Once air dried observe too see if they are equal, then wet again to observe beading caractéristiques. Next use both at standard wash dilution as a clay lube. Finally if you have access to a body shop. Spray on both products on a freshly (un touched out of the paint booth) painted vertical surface, allow to dwell . Sheet the products off to not get any water spots. Once dry, wet again and observe if there is any change in the beading characteristics that would indicate a film on the surface.
I haven’t washed with soap in over a year! It’s funny as when I was mobile I did all soap and 3 bucket washes. Then last year as I got away from mobile I switched to rinseless; my process has been so much more efficient and safe too! Funny as you’d think a mobile Detailer would be a rinseless wash guy and a shop would be using soap. But not me! Rinseless is the best way for me!!
Yes, but that uses way too much product, time, and the dilution ratio is hard to control. Using a pressure sprayer like an IK will save time and product.
Hi Yvan, from watching UA-cam there seems to be a difference in using a foam cannon from your side of the Atlantic to the UK. Here In the UK for a prewash we want a snowfoam that cleans so may be a little on the alkaline side rather than PH neutral which as you state, does nothing. The foams I use e.g Bilt Hamber Autofoam will leave the panel much cleaner than pressure washing alone. I’ve always found it strange seeing videos where soaps meant for the bucket are used as a prewash as they are not designed for this. With regards to rinse less, I know the likes of you and Levi will mention that if the vehicle is dirty then pressure wash first followed by the rinse less. The problem is I can’t recall ever seeing a video showing this nice and safe rinse less method. It’s always someone wiping down a dirty car with rinse less which will make most detailers shout at the screen “you’re scratching the car!” I think this is why there is the inertia is switching to polymer cleaning from soap cleaning. I know it’s always mentioned but that involves taking in the advice of pressure washing first and putting it in to practice for themselves. That takes some initiative on their part which may be where the problem is! If it’s shown in several videos I think people will copy it. They do with so many other detailing practices. Rinse less does allow a different method but it’s that method people have the problem with more often that not rather than the rinse less product itself. I use soap sometimes, rinse less sometimes on how the mood takes me but I’m just cleaning my own cars and enjoy the process. Still like to be efficient though!
Ive done a number of videos on other channels on the subject. Recently one with @hawk pro Detailing , and soon to be released one with @the rag company
Hey Yvan, I noticed you said a rinseless wash shouldn’t sud up. But I noticed you came out with a rinsless for your DIY line and it foams up….. just curious
Yes, thankfully technology changes. Our chemist was able to accomplish what wasn’t possible just a year ago. New polymers and surfactants to the market were able to work together. In the past some companies simply rebranded soaps as Rinseless washes.
Hi. Very good video. 😀👍🏼 There is one thing that won't leave me alone. If I want to do a conventional car wash with wash gloves, I would like to spray on a Rinseless solution and then spray it off with the pressure washer. I have been advised against this. I should rather spray on foam. But if the rinseless solution really encapsulates the dirt, then the method should be safe. Or am I looking at it the wrong way? Isn't this method even better than an applied foam? Which method is safer? Or are both equally good in your opinion?
Feynlab Pure Rinseless is the best I’ve used. And it does sud up with a soft acid brush but it doesn’t leave anything behind. I used to use ONR but it leaves behind polymers and makes more work for me.
@@jesusgaona5189 you have it mixed too strong then which is fine. A little mist of distilled water on the glass and a dry towel, problem solved. If you’re detailing for money and not doing coatings you should use Gary dean’s forever rinseless. That shits insane.
@@Detailers-Business-Academy hey I ended up not trying it yet! I did do the 3 cars and everything went great. The reason is my rinseless wash is not in yet and it’s been over 3 weeks! 😡 i went through chemical guys since that’s all there is in this town “Bakersfield ca” but I’ve always been a P&S type of guy and will stick to P&S. Im going to listen to some more of your vids now God bless you Mr Yvan
Yvan, awesome content as always, thank you! Couple of questions. 1. After rinsing down the presoak, you are going to have water on the surface which dilutes the rinsless solution. Isn't that an issue? 2. In your shops, do you use compressed air as part of the drying process to get the wash solution out of cracks? Or any other method to avoid polimer spots after wash? 3. What about the window seals? How to get them dry? I find quite annoying the have polimer spots on the windows after rolling them down.
Sorry for the extremely late response, for some reason this is my first time seeing this. 1 no it’s very minimal, not enough to affect the dilution. 2 yes, compressed air is a great quality and efficiency tool. The other option is a leaf blower. 3 again compressed air helps here.
Hi Yvan! When using a product like ONR and N914 should distilled water always be used or is tap water good enough? Also, do you recommend storing UBS in rinseless solution or keep it dry after using?
@@Detailers-Business-Academy Stupid question, with the compressed air / leaf blower, is that replacing the microfiber drying portion of the process or do you use them in conjuction (after) taking the microfiber to the car? (let's say, following a pre-rinse/ foam sponge clean). So: Pre-rinse --> Sponge clean --> Microfiber --> Compressed air or remove MF from the equation in this scenario?
Bonjour Yvan , j’apprecie beaucoup tes videos et ta phylosophie d’efficacité et de rendement , j’envisage de me lancer dans une carriere professionnelle a Montreal dans un stationnement intérieur du centre ville ou mobile a domicile . Ma question concerne les conditions hivernales quand les autos sont très sales, est ce que tu conseilles : - canon a mousse avec un savon+ rincage+lavage a l’eponge +drying aid /essuyage Ou - Rinsless + APC + rinsless avec eponge + essuyage . Merci
@@Detailers-Business-Academy Merci ,est ce que c’est le degre de salete ou le type de salete qui determine l’usage de l’APC en foam ? (J’avais vu une video avec la Fiat rouge )
Good to know better wash techniques and ones that don't do much (foam)! Will add big black sponge to wash process. Future topics: how thick must a coating be for proper protection? What _are_ graphene and "metallic" coatings (my hunch is they're SIO2 or SIC "infused" with some graphene or tin oxide or whatever's the "metal of the day") ?
I’ve been using this method for a while and Ivan is right! I use an an Optima steamer and first pre treat with ONR AND follow with steam and an ONR and a sponge wet with ONR AND I HAVE A CLEAN CAR WITH no scratches!!
I've never felt more confident about using a rinseless wash, but I still cannot see myself taking the plunge. Super soft paint definitely isn't helping. But I do trust you, so maybe I go for it after watching some tutorials
Try it! When I first heard him talk about it I was naturally opposed. However, $20 is cheap when it comes to finding out if what he says is true. I was HOOKED! Still am HOOKED! I love ONR. I love my UBS. If you don’t like it, I’ll buy the sponge from you 🤓😉😎
No , I don’t work for Optimum, or any company for that matter. If a company wants a documentary about one of their products, they can produce one if they wish.
Hi! I’m recently a big fan of rinseless washing and I have some questions. Question 1 & 2 is mostly regarding the drying lubrication that comes with a rinseless wash, but I’m happy to get any valuable info and opinions. If you need a specific rinseless solution and/or sponge to answer, use ONR and UBS. 1. Can I use a wet wax or a hybrid ceramic wet wax after a rinseless wash? If yes; How close to the drying do I need to wash the microfibre cloths if they have dried up a hybrid ceramic wet wax? 2. Is it fine to first use an insect spray on parts of the car and afterwards use a sponge soaked in a rinseless-water mix? If yes; Is it bad to dunk the sponge back in the rinseless-water mix after dragning it over the area with bug spray? 3. Is it still important to go from the less dirty panels to the most dirty panels as I was instructed to do with the museum technique of car washing? Thank you for a good informational video on car washing!
Thank you for your questions 1 yes, that’s fine. As for the second part of this question it would be best to ask Turtle Wax. 2 yes you can follow up insect remover with a Rinseless. It would be good to give it a quick rinse if there’s lots of insect remover on it. 3 yes, regardless of what product you use, a safe method is always preferred.
Yes I have an idea for a video: Could you please make a video about how to properly ceramic coat a Tesla car? They have aluminum panels and their paint jobs are not great at all. There's very information online about how to properly ceramic coat a Tesla. Thank you man!
There is no difference coating a Tesla than any other vehicle. The paint is the same despite the steel, aluminum, or plastic under it. Tesla has a reputation for poor paint, that’s partially earned, but many other companies are about the same.
@@Detailers-Business-Academy That is good to know. Thank you for the info. Nonetheless, such video will get many views and therefore subscribes, because Tesla owners such as myself have no idea. Even if the video is about explaining what you just explained me. People will really appreciate a guy with your knowledge letting them know there’s no difference with other cars. Cheers to your success Yvan! 👍🏻👍🏻
Do rinseless washed leave any waxes or polymers on the paint? I was wonder it this would work before painting, like pinstriping. I don't want to add any film before coming back with wax/grease removers. I just want a way to remove grit and dust.
Hi Yvan. Thank you for this info. If the car is super dirty, should I spray it with ONR then wash it with a pressure washer and then respray it with ONR, and work it off with the UBS + one bucket with the solution?
Great content as always, thank you. I need to get one thing clear. Foam cannon foams are useless according to what you are saying because they sue old tech soaps and to lift nor encapsulate the dirt prior to the first jet wash rinse. Is this the case with ALL foams? There are nice rinseless washes that come in 5L containers and a hand sprayer on a long tube. I suppose this is the best thing since first of all I am using polymer based rinseless wash and secondly I am not using any power or water compared to foam cannon? I use Bilt Hamber Autofoam right now. It doesn't claim to be a rinseless or waterless wash but does say it lifts and encapsulates dirt. Cars from 10ft look really clean and only residual road film remains in the usual places, which I remove using contact wash. I watch your videos because I fully subscribe to your "philosophy" of doing more with less and not doing things which clients cannot see or don't care about. ANyways, thanks again :)
Some soaps like the one you use, will remove dirt, but unfortunately don’t provide much if any lubrication. Additionally if you do a test, apply the foam to one panel, allow to dwell and jet wash. On the adjacent panel simply jet wash it. Next allow them both to air dry. This will allow you to determine what work the foam is doing VS what the jet wash is doing.
My problem is that I have never seen a demo with a car that was really dirty. Living in Utah, one winter day driving on wet salted roads, and you have a thick layer of grime. Can't pre-rinse with a hose when it is freezing weather. Suggestions?
It depends on your wash solution. Some will perfectly self clean the sponge. If your wash solution doesn’t, then some dish soap massaged into the sponge, then rinsed .
I have a question like it may sound crazy 😅....Can I use Rinseless wash as pre rinse in small spray pump....& after dwelling can I use pressure washer with rinseless wash solution itself instead of water 🤭 & then clean surface using special sponge which you recommend or chenyl mitt ...& blow dry that rinseless wash? is it ok?....I mean just asking my opinion. Is it safe actually 😅....I own Sports bike & I care about that so much 😅.....until now I follow Pan the organizer like foam spray & then bucket wash...
For me it's been the case! I lend out a rinseless kit to someone that normally uses a garden hose, meguiar's and a chamois (not hating). Let's see if he'll stick to soap (Probably will, us Dutch are stubborn)!
I use bilt hamber auto foam and I gave tried your test and let the panel dry however the panel that has the auto foam on is a lot cleaner than the other one next to it after letting them both dry, and we are talking a big difference, it’s not a ph neutral foam and even after 5 washes the protection looks unaffected
No sir, the Most safety way to clean a car without scratching is a touchless wash , many guys out there don’t believe in touchless washes but there is real stuff on the market right now that you’re able to get 98% clean without touching your car and you just blow it out with the blower that way there is no friction no scratches.
How could I incorporate this method in the winter time with salt and gravel on the car? Will ONR effectively lift the salt or is there another product you can recommend? Going to be looking into trying out the sponge method! Seems like it may be a faster method.
I fancy using the TW Ceramic Wet Wax as a drying aid, to top off the ceramic coating of the car. Or it applies a short lasting ceramic coating, if the car has no protection from before. Would you rinse off the rinse less wash before spraying on and drying the car using the TW Ceramic Wet Wax, or not? Asking in another way, will the rinse less wash prevent the ceramic properties of the TW Ceramic Wet Wax to bond with the paint?
Hi I have too ask you a question..What one product do you like the best ONR or McKees ..I know you can say both because of the prossess. But I'm an ONR fan but I have been watching a few using McKees rinseless and they have been saying about the slickness. I have seen you using both ..I would like your opinion on this..Thanks for the info
I've liked rinseless for quite a while, especially in colder weather. I love the idea of using it year round! I was just thinking today, as I washed my vehicle that I could save labor by using it again. Thanks for sharing!
Oh, man. Explode my mind. Im from Brazil, I've never seen anything about it around here. The only thing I saw was a conventional waterless wash with a microfiber glove and rinse bucket. Could I use a product like Echo from carpro for this method? Because I can't find the ONR in Brazil. (and sorry, my english is rusty hehe). Hail from Brazil.
Hey Yvan great knowledge sharing. I always enjoy your videos. Ive noticed you work with Mckees37 rinseless wash does the Mckees Xtreme Foam auto shampoo use the same or similar technology?
Very informative video as always. Long time follower here. I switched from soap to ONR years ago. ONR is the only steadily available rinseless option in Germany. I recently purchased a new car and ceramic coated it the day I got the keys. Where I always struggled with ONR is the lower third of the car. Using only ONR I couldn't restore the hydrophobic properties of the coating on the lower parts of the car. Mainly those parts where the splash water from the tires hit the paint. Spraying APC and agitating it with the UBS+ONR seems to restore the hydrophobic properties very well. Is there something accumulating on the paint a simple ONR/rinseless wash can't get rid of? Seems weird having to use an APC basically everytime after the car was driven in the rain. Thank you very much Yvan!
Hi Yvan! Great Video! When using ONR or N914, is it necessary to always use distilled water or is tap fine? Also, should UBS be stored in rinseless solution like the BRS! What’s the best way to store UBS
If dirt goes to the bottom of the bucket why do I end up with a grey ring around my bucket at the water line when I’m done? I love using rinseless but still concerned that it’s not the safest method.
The ring is comprised of oils removed from the surface of the paint. The grit goes to the bottom. If you want to test, correct your hood to perfection, do not apply any coatings. Next wash your car once a week , one side with soap, the other with Rinseless. You will see the difference rather soon.
Thanks for the great content as always Yvan! Quick question; with the new ultra mitt/sponge from The Rag Company described as being able to use for rinseless washes as well, would it be a good substitute for the UBS? Thanks for sharing your knowledge!
@@Detailers-Business-Academy Got it, thanks for the reply! And looking forward to science & tech coming up with the next generation of sponges and rinseless wash solutions 👍
My dear sir, congratulations on all those years providing excellent content and information for the detailing subjects, i admire you and your knowledge. I have one observation in the foam cannon wash that i agree it is true ,that if you let the panels dry ,the dirt will stuck back again and you have wasted time and product, BUT i think that until..it dry out we have a time window witch if you touch the foam treated panel the dirt can be pushed off the panel far more easy VS the only water treated panel... inside the timeframe that is no dryied again. And please can i ask...in my country we don't have many rinsless wash products and knowledge about them....but we have many rainy days and much chemical polutied and over polulated cities..so...we have much much ... traffic film from the roads. How rinsless wash products deal with traffic film grease and road grime? My kind regards dear sir
do you refill your buckets with every wash? or do you use the same water with other cars. And the ultra black sponge do you keep it damp after every wash or have it in a wash bucket so it doesn't dry.
@@Detailers-Business-Academy Thank you sir, I’ve been switching my methods toward more rinseless washes. I appreciate all that you do keep up the great work!
Hi Yvan. Thanks for the very informative video. My question is would It be safe to spray a rinsless wash over the vehicle and then go with the steamer and quite a few microfibre cloths?? Or could I use a foam sponge??
@@Detailers-Business-Academy actually what I have been doing for a long time now is using 4 wash mitts that I pre-soak in bucket of water. Use a foam Cannon for a pre-soak then rinse. Then I reapply some Foam and evenly divided the wash mitt usage up throughout the whole car. But I will definitely start using the no-rinse method. It makes sense to me What do you think about mixing in some no-rinse with some Car Pro reset. Would it still help with the lubricity and would that be okay to do or good to do?
Lots of people claim that McKee's N-914 is vastly better than ONR. I'm a longtime ONR user, and I didn't find that N-914 was anything special when I tried it. Seems more like a diluted detergent, as opposed to a substantive polymer like ONR. Are the two products a completely different chemical makeup? I don't see any reason to switch, ONR does everything I need it to.
Yes they are different and both accomplish their goal successfully, with ease. It’s never a question of one or the other, their both united against soap. Choose the one you like and rest assured you made the right choice.
You are a credit for all detailers in the world, I'm definitely going to implement these strategies into my business
Thank you!
Great video! I just did a test and by pre soaking with a rinse less and power washing it off. I think it took the same amount of dirt off ( if not more) than using a foam cannon.
It took me 30 minutes to do a complete rinse less wash and apply a graphene spray wax as I dried it. It normally takes me close to an hour to do a traditional soap contact wash. It has taken me awhile to convert. Because of your videos I’ve joined the rinseless team.
I’ve started using the rinseless mixture in my carpet extractor. Works like a charm! Thanks Yvan.
Thank you for the report, happy it’s working well for you!
Using ribseless in a carpet extractor?????
Great video, thanks for sharing. I love the rinseless wash, especially since I live in an apartment and do not have access to running water. Lots of pre rinsing before with a spray bottle, bucket with rinseless in it and grit guard, and a nice 1300gsm double tweed microfiber and job done. I experimented on my old car, and now I was my brand new RSQ3 this way. Oh, and my car is black, and I definitely feel safe using this method.
Just one sidenote, when the car is really dirty, I do go to the car wash to do some power washing, but I like Yvan's suggestion of prerinsing with a rinseless wash - it makes so much sense.
Happy for you. Get a ceramic coating to protect your new car!
Did my first ONR wash yesterday on both my cars. WOW!!!! Both cars seem cleaner than when washing with soap. Totally Impressed. Thanks for all the informative videos you have done.
Congratulations, and thank you for taking the time to comment.
Yvan is the best detailer with the best detailed and nuanced advice. I’m bookmarking this video and subscribing
Thank you
Yvan gives the same solid advice no matter the product and isn’t even selling us anything here. This dude is a gem and I’m glad there’s intelligent mind promoting progressive tech in the industry over doing it the old way just because that’s all you know. Some classic things just aren’t worth it anymore.
Thank you Stephen!
Yvon …… My Ultra Black sponge arrived on Thursday, so last night I washed my pickup. For the first time, I followed your rinseless wash method ….. I am definitely a convert! It was easier with fewer steps. Washing with this method I felt my paint was safe throughout the process. Using McKees 37 914 as a prewash spray and in my wash bucket I had lots of lubrication. For drying I used Turtle Wax Flex Wax as a drying lubricant.
I felt confident in the method and the truck looks great 👍. Thank you for your great informative videos 🤠
Thank you for taking the time to comment.
How’s the sponge doing for you after a few months?
I fully agree with this video Yvan ... perfectly explained.. I been getting cars i coated a year ago with opti coat .. within 6 months ... they still look good but almost zero hydrophobics... after a while I realized my clients wash their car with soap and hard water and thats been forming a layer within a few months
Good observation.
Zain! Good to see you here. Haha
@@bbdetailing9123 I'm a big fan of Yvan ...
@@zainulaberdeenessop2037 Same.
I'm a little skeptical of this, no offense. I use some incredibly hard water unfortunately, and use standard car soap...my 4 year coating still has great beading after 2.5 years and no toppers. Check out Scott HD's channel where he does extended coating tests
Great video, Yvan, and I've learned a lot about maintaining my and my wife's cars from you, Pan, and several other UA-camrs who promote rinseless washing. For the past four years, I've enjoyed using ONR off and on, between foam cannon/two bucket washes using Meguiar's Gold Class soap on my black E Class. However, this winter (I live in Metro DC so we can get bad weather at times), I began applying ONR with a pump sprayer, letting it dwell to loosen heavy road grime, and then alternating between using 6-7 microfiber towels (folded into eighths) and a (non-BRS/non-BBS) serrated sponge to apply ONR.
I keep a 256:1 mixture of ONR in a bucket filled with four gallons of distilled water with a grit guard and sealed with a gamma lid in my garage. Despite reassurances that the polymers release dirt from the wash media, I noticed that the ONR smelled a bit rancid after 1-2 washes. I've since started using an otherwise identical "dirty" bucket with two gallons of regular water and a capful of ONR into which I squeeze the sponge after each pass. Then, I use the "clean" bucket to wash my paint. Since then, the ONR mix has stayed much cleaner and I can get 5-6 washes out of it.
Once I learned about pre-spraying ONR, I've found rinseless washing to be more convenient and at least as effective as my former soap method and now very seldom wash any of our cars the traditional way. Sorry for burying the lede, but shortly after I bought my first bottle of ONR in early 2018, I also bought the ONR Wash and Wax (green) formula. I keep a mixture of ONRWW and distilled water in a spray bottle in my trunk (along with 8-10 microfiber cloths) to combat bird bombs or other debris that get on my paint between washes. Despite being on my third bottle of blue ONR, using ONRWW for this limited purpose, I have only used about 1/4 bottle of ONRWW in the past four years.
Haven't seen much about ONRWW and am curious about your thoughts on its efficacy vs. the regular blue ONR. I occasionally use it as a drying aid (i.e., spritz the ONRWW onto panels that have dried out or are about to do so before towel drying. Is this good practice? Thanks in advance for your feedback.
Thanks for the comments. The odour in your wash bucket is from what you’re removing from the surface of the car contaminating the solution. Occasionally clean your sponge with APC or dish soap, ONR tends to saturate the wash media with grime.
ONRWW is as good and versatile as the standard, plus it leaves behind a bit of protection.
Everybody, please take notes all the things the legend said! Thank you Yvan!
What legend? Thanks for watching.
Issues I had when using rinseless wash. Though, it was a major help in getting my business mobile
1. I'm in the southeast US and many parts of the year we have something falling from the trees that gets caught up on cars. Pine neeldes, leaves, acorns, catkins etc. The only way to remove excessive amounts compacted in the cowls or roof would be free flowing water of some kind
2. Over 75% of my customer base had big trucks/suvs. Even wth a ladder it was difficult getting some roofs and hoods by hand. A wash media on a extension pole would do wonders
You can pre-rinse with a Rinseless wash, there’s just no need to rinse afterwards. A good flag tipped nylon brush on a pole is great option.
Glad an expert said it. All these people using foam cannons for years aren’t doing much. Maybe removing the top layer of dirt but leaving behind the dirt attached to the clear coat.
Correct
Great video from an expert detailer. IMO.. I have been saying the waterless has been a better wash as well in winter months, in fact I have tested both and I felt like the waterless ONR with drying add work the best. I used 1200 gsm for drying towel.
Thanks for sharing
This exactly the process I use for my business. Pre soak with a waterless wash and then rinseless wash.
Excellent!
Very interesting it goes well with some of your other information on DYI detail.
Thank you
I just realized something this morning. When I squeeze my BRS to get it just to dripping I am forcing a ton of ONR out. I am literally pressure washing the sponge from the inside out. Mind blown.
Science has a way of doing that.
I'm a die-hard ONR fan, with the BRS, currently on my second one. Will order the UBS with my next order. Washing my car in the garage is a luxury I can't live without anymore.
I fully agree with a sponge being the safest wash method, with dirt passing through the pores. I do notice it holds on to dirt inside, and I occasionaly use soms Power Clean to foam it up and rinse it out. Takes out alot of black dirt.
And thanks for the information of course! Love these ones!
Getting more efficient and knowledgable at cosmetic car care everyday, thanks to you!
Thank you for watching!
I’ve never used snow foam, it’s a waste of time, I use steam plus ONR and black sponge. Great video as always 👍
Thanks for watching!
@@Detailers-Business-Academy thanks for replying, looking forward to the next one. 🙌👍
@@kev008ify thank you
I really enjoyed this video, I wish I had seen it earlier before I decided to go and buy a lot of stuff. This really makes sense to me and I am totally going to run my chemicals down then eventually implement these methods! It will do a number of things such as minimising products needed which means you work towards bigger bulk purchases making it cheaper overall, and improving time efficiency which means less labour hours for me/more profitability. Love the channel and the way you share your experiences.
Thank you for your comments.
Hey Yvan, I know this is an older video but I would love to see a start to finish rinsless wash from you, there are a ton of videos from others, yes but i guess I just would love to see your exact methods and tips on rinseless washing an entire car along with a possible clay and polish as well. I’m not sure if that’s something you’d be into doing, hopefully it’s not too crazy of an ask, if not just point me in the direction of someone that you feel does the best rinseless wash on UA-cam. Thanks, and keep the knowledge coming!
Would like to see that to
I’ve done a few with @the Rag Company and @hawk Pro Detailing
Very interesting, thank you very much. This is the first video I've watched proposing rinseless washes as the safest method, and several replays later (and hearing you reiterate your points in Pan's video) I think I might be converted. Weird how ideas and opinions often lag behind the science :) After this shock to the system I might need to learn a little more to feel completely assured but I'm very glad I found this one.
Thank you, try it, and you’ll quickly adopt it. Here is another video to watch.
The SCIENCE behind DIY Detail Rinseless Wash! DIY Detail Podcast #15
ua-cam.com/video/eAr2NIUz-5E/v-deo.html
@@Detailers-Business-Academy Thanks, Yvan. "Shots fired!" haha. The part after 4 mins in helped: "the reason it's safer isn't necessarily the wash", it's the drying process that carries the most risk. You've convinced me that rinseless is "safe-er" technically speaking (for the reasons you give here), although when foaming the vehicle serves a purpose (e.g. with other chemicals as part of a full decon wash) my takeaway is that, with proper technique in each case, using a quality drying aid pretty much levels the field, which is nice to know. Thanks again.
Thank you
I'm extremely interested in trying out the rinseless wash method after watching this. I've always considered the foam cannon to be the "fun" part of detailing. I can't imagine that it provides much, if any, true benefit.
Correct, but in your driveway at home, it is a nice thing to do.
Great video. It actually blew my mind 🤯. Y normally do an apc rinse before using the pressure washer and I did notice that using ONR as a window cleaner, i saw how the dirt gets encapsulated in the water drops and is lifted up from the paint
It’s quite impressive, thanks for watching
hahaha, you are funny! Thanks for sharing your great videos. I agree with u.
Thank you 🙏🏻
I just found your channel and I am glad I did! I enjoy and learn from your videos
Thank you
G'day Yvan, another well explained video - car washing. As like your other videos, you add the WHY Factor, which ties all the other information together. Since I was young and now in my late 60's, I always wanted to know WHY you did things a certain way or WHY does it work like that, and I still ask WHY to this very day. I have the Big Yellow Sponge which I bought when I had my car coated with Opti-Coat Pro+. It hasn't done the 1,000 washes that it could do, but I will look at your designed Big Black Sponge. Again, always enjoy your informative videos. Cheers from Down Under Ozz
Thanks for watching, yes Why is an often ignored question.
id love to see this actually applied in a video. Its funny how No rinse was the hot one the last few years now you are over at mckees and N-914 is better than ONR. quiet interesting.
I’ve never worked for McKee’s 37. I’m independent and do coaching and consulting for many Detailers and manufactures. There are many videos on the subject on many channels featuring a number of different Rinseless washes.
I personally find in my practice that the Big red sponge can't pick up everything. And to prevent my drying towel from picking up any dirt smudges, I still go over the entire vehicle with a wet microfiber towel or wash mitt before the drying towel touches the car. I have also considered that for those who are in business of detailing and efficiency, perhaps the multiple towel method is the way to go. Less time going back to the bucket and wringing the sponge/wash mitt, more time flipping the sides of that one towel and actively cleaning the car. It relatively safe, but probably not UltraBlack/BigRED/Yellow sponge safe.
Towels unfortunately create pressure points, and keep the dirt on their surface. If your sponge is leaving behind dirt on the surface, you may be using it too wet. It’s normal that your towel will get soiled, but what it’s picking up is encapsulated in the rinseless solution, and paint safe.
Yvan I have watched you on a couple of other videos, but this one really got my attention! Everything you said really appeals to my analytical side. This is applied chemistry for everyday life. I ordered my Ultra Black sponge and already have my McKees rinse less wash for cleaning my truck this weekend.
I am not a Pro Detailer, just an old man that likes his things to look their best. What I don’t understand …… Why is this method not more popular with the Detailers? Less time and fewer products would mean higher profits! I look forward to watching your other videos and thank you for removing the “film” from my eyes 🤠
Yes, it’s something I also don’t understand.
They probably just watch some videos and get into it and never think about doing it differently. Thats how i was at first and im glad i found this guy before i jumped into it lol.
This all makes perfect sense. Is it safe to apply over ceramic coating?
Yes
I wonder whether a pressure washer might actually cause pitting, more than swirls. I imagine the initial impact pushing the dirt into the surface, but then lifting it off. I find it hard to imagine the dirt being continually pushed in and "scraped" along the surface. It would be very interesting if you could try to demonstrate pressure washing induced marring actually.
The angle and pressure all have different effects. On a fleet we maintained with only our mobile pressure washing division, after a little while the trucks started to show marring despite having never been touched.
@@Detailers-Business-Academy interesting. Thanks
I would like to see this done or demonstrated with a clear bucket so we can actually see that they're going to the bottom and also the traffic film to me would stay at the top so you dip in that sponge back into it
There are thousands of Rinseless wash videos on UA-cam. That said no video will convince you, invest a few $ in some Rinseless and a sponge, you will not be disappointed.
@@Detailers-Business-Academy why wouldn't a well done video convince people lol your videos help don't undermine that
@@Detailers-Business-Academy in another comment you talked about how education can convince people and now this comment you said no video will convince you. Why do you believe that though since your videos have helped thousands try rinseless and effective convince.
The people who don’t trust the science will never be convinced by a video. No matter what they see on a video they always find faults. I’ve been in hundreds of videos on numerous UA-cam channels over the years, the comments remain the same.
@@Detailers-Business-Academy what comments? There are many who trust the proof not necessarily science but the results you show and try it.
So in a nutshell for a home detailer just doing carwashes...
1. Spray with diluted solution of N-914 (Green bottle rinseless wash?) (Also assuming pump spray bottle makes this part easier)
2. Wash off with pressure washer
3. Wash with Ultra Black Sponge and solutoin of N-914 in bucket (green bottle rinseless wash or white bottle rinse and wax?)
4. Dry off with microfiber towel (any suggestions on how many? One per panel? One per car OK?)
5. Repeat on all panels.
Can rinseless wash be used the same way on glass as well?
Thanks!
1 yes it’s easier, but not a necessity
2 yes
3 your choice
4 waffle weave or twisted loop. I wash the whole car then dry the whole car. Allow the solution to air dry a little. One towel is all you need. If working in the sun or wind, dry the panels before they completely air dry.
5 all exterior surfaces get treated the same.
Thank you for watching and your questions
@@Detailers-Business-Academy thanks for your response! Do you have any brands or products you recommend? Or a good kit to start with?
@@iBeKev no we don’t recommend any specific items.
I have been moving towards more rinseless washing, but I have a few customers that insist on traditional car soap. Doesn't matter what I tell them, they won't be convinced - so I still keep it on hand 🤷♂️
There’s a few ways to convince them. First is education, ask them if they still use a rotary dial landline phone or a smart phone, watch a B&W tv or a large flat screen. When they answer they use the modern alternative, then explain that washing there modern paint with soap is like trying to send a text message with a rotary phone, or watching a 4K Blu-ray movie on a 13 inch tube. Washing with soap is old technology, Rinseless is safer, faster and does a better job.
Next say if you want a soap wash it’s an extra $50 because you need to set up for it, and it takes longer. They will suddenly leap into the 2000’s to save $50.
Just blew my mind 😮 time to do some testing😁
Love the content and your insight👌👍
Thanks for watching!
I have ONR and N914... haven't tried rinseless washing YET... I will as I live in Connecticut and it's going to be too cold to use the hose soon! I'll let You know My findings! Thanks, Yvan!
Excellent, let me know
Will do!! A little apprehensive... but I'm not driving a dirty car all winter again!
I would like to see a video just about bugs, bugs on the mirror and front bumper on plastic painted surfaces that are not traditional clear coat surfaces where it seems you have to rub harder than just applying onr. I have an APC sit on there for a while with no results. And what is the best protectant. And what do you carry in your car to deal with bugs and how soon do you address them after a daily trip or an extended trip?
For protection a ceramic coating or PPF will be the best way. As for cleaning a waterless wash or Rinseless.
Very interesting. I did not realize that blasting a "dirty" car with a pressure washer first was possibly causing damage - it makes sense now that you mentioned it. I will definitely pre-rinse using something like ONR before I rinse using the pressure washer. Questions: How much ONR needs to be sprayed on? If I use a pump sprayer, should I be attempting to spray off dirt as much as possible or just let the product dwell and use the pressure washer after to spray it off?
I like your scientific approach to detailing...please share more of this type of content. Thanks!
Thanks for the questions.
Yes you simply want to pre-spray, getting the surface damp. Allow to dwell then attack with the pressure washer.
@@Detailers-Business-Academy sorry Yvan, is a garden hose ok rather than pressure wash? You've made my day with this method, it'll make washing my car a pleasure again!!! The two bucket method and foam cannon take too long 🥰
Yes, a garden hose is fine.
@@Detailers-Business-Academy in the video above you said a pressure washer is necessary. Did you mean either or? A hose or a pressure washer... in other videos you said you don't even need a pressure washer for those who withpit access to water but i still like pre rinsing with a hose. Sometimes I don't feel like getting the pressure washer out. Will a hose still work just as well with this?
Yes a hose will work. If you’re detailing for a living, time is Money, and a pressure washer saves time.
Thank you. I am a fan of the Wolfgang Über Rinseless wash. The SiO2 infused version is good too.
Good product.
Perfectly explained, as always, Yvan!
Thanks for watching.
2nd from the office 😉👌👍
Always amazing education!
I normally use ONR with lots of mits in a bucket and the black sponge first besides using an IK sprayer first and on the bucket with dirt guard👌😃 maybe I am overkilling with the wash mits.
I have used also the Rinseless from Owners Pride and has been good too.
Maybe just a little overkill.
@@Detailers-Business-Academy 😉😃👍that's what I thought, thanks 👍
@@Detailers-Business-Academy Hi Yvan! Great info as always. Your years of knowledge are much appreciated. You mentioned that foaming rinseless washes are really soaps...as 1st From Puerto Rico mentioned, I've also used OP Eco wash and have enjoyed it. Without bashing any products (not like you would anyway) , I'm curious to hear your thoughts on the product. I've used it and enjoyed it, but it does seam more soapy than any other rinseless I've used and am curious how safe it is compared to other tried and true rinseless washes out there. Thanks again!
@@bystolics I can’t comment on the “safety” of it as I haven’t put it through any tests. Here are a few tests you can do if you have another non soap based Rinseless to compare to.
Pre-spray with both on a panel, allow to dwell and rinse off. Once air dried observe too see if they are equal, then wet again to observe beading caractéristiques.
Next use both at standard wash dilution as a clay lube.
Finally if you have access to a body shop. Spray on both products on a freshly (un touched out of the paint booth) painted vertical surface, allow to dwell . Sheet the products off to not get any water spots. Once dry, wet again and observe if there is any change in the beading characteristics that would indicate a film on the surface.
I haven’t washed with soap in over a year! It’s funny as when I was mobile I did all soap and 3 bucket washes. Then last year as I got away from mobile I switched to rinseless; my process has been so much more efficient and safe too! Funny as you’d think a mobile Detailer would be a rinseless wash guy and a shop would be using soap. But not me! Rinseless is the best way for me!!
Rinseless is the safest and most efficient in both situations.
I wonder if you could prespray a car with a foam cannon using a rinseless wash? Using the foam canon to quickly dilute and apply it.
Yes, but that uses way too much product, time, and the dilution ratio is hard to control. Using a pressure sprayer like an IK will save time and product.
Interesting new take on this that I am interested to dig into more. I will look for some videos on a proper rinse less wash
Have you transitioned yet?
Hi Yvan, from watching UA-cam there seems to be a difference in using a foam cannon from your side of the Atlantic to the UK. Here In the UK for a prewash we want a snowfoam that cleans so may be a little on the alkaline side rather than PH neutral which as you state, does nothing. The foams I use e.g Bilt Hamber Autofoam will leave the panel much cleaner than pressure washing alone. I’ve always found it strange seeing videos where soaps meant for the bucket are used as a prewash as they are not designed for this. With regards to rinse less, I know the likes of you and Levi will mention that if the vehicle is dirty then pressure wash first followed by the rinse less. The problem is I can’t recall ever seeing a video showing this nice and safe rinse less method. It’s always someone wiping down a dirty car with rinse less which will make most detailers shout at the screen “you’re scratching the car!” I think this is why there is the inertia is switching to polymer cleaning from soap cleaning. I know it’s always mentioned but that involves taking in the advice of pressure washing first and putting it in to practice for themselves. That takes some initiative on their part which may be where the problem is! If it’s shown in several videos I think people will copy it. They do with so many other detailing practices. Rinse less does allow a different method but it’s that method people have the problem with more often that not rather than the rinse less product itself. I use soap sometimes, rinse less sometimes on how the mood takes me but I’m just cleaning my own cars and enjoy the process. Still like to be efficient though!
Ive done a number of videos on other channels on the subject. Recently one with @hawk pro Detailing , and soon to be released one with @the rag company
Hey Yvan, I noticed you said a rinseless wash shouldn’t sud up. But I noticed you came out with a rinsless for your DIY line and it foams up….. just curious
Yes, thankfully technology changes. Our chemist was able to accomplish what wasn’t possible just a year ago. New polymers and surfactants to the market were able to work together. In the past some companies simply rebranded soaps as Rinseless washes.
Hi. Very good video. 😀👍🏼
There is one thing that won't leave me alone.
If I want to do a conventional car wash with wash gloves, I would like to spray on a Rinseless solution and then spray it off with the pressure washer. I have been advised against this. I should rather spray on foam. But if the rinseless solution really encapsulates the dirt, then the method should be safe. Or am I looking at it the wrong way? Isn't this method even better than an applied foam? Which method is safer? Or are both equally good in your opinion?
Both work well.
Feynlab Pure Rinseless is the best I’ve used. And it does sud up with a soft acid brush but it doesn’t leave anything behind. I used to use ONR but it leaves behind polymers and makes more work for me.
It's horrible on windows tho kills effeciency for me
@@jesusgaona5189 you have it mixed too strong then which is fine. A little mist of distilled water on the glass and a dry towel, problem solved. If you’re detailing for money and not doing coatings you should use Gary dean’s forever rinseless. That shits insane.
Excellent
Amazing insight. 🤘🏻
Glad you think so!
Yvan,
1. What is the best way to clean the UBS after washing a car?
2. How should it be stored after you are done using it?
Simply rinse it out, once and a while massage in some APC and rinse well.
It can be stored on a shelf, bucket etc
Thanks Yvan ! Now I have to try the rinseless wash ! But the Ultra Black sponge is sold out everywhere ( at least in Canada ) !
Eshine
The sponge should be back in stock this week.
Really interesting ! Thanks for sharing 🙂
Thank you for watching!
you da mannn!! ha thanks for another great and educational video! got me questioning my methods and that's a good thing for me and my customers!
Progress
Amazing video and info as always
Thank you
I just got your sponge in the mail a few days ago! Can’t wait to use it tomorrow I have 3 cars in line!
Excellent, let me know your impressions.
@@Detailers-Business-Academy I will!
@@Detailers-Business-Academy hey I ended up not trying it yet! I did do the 3 cars and everything went great. The reason is my rinseless wash is not in yet and it’s been over 3 weeks! 😡 i went through chemical guys since that’s all there is in this town “Bakersfield ca” but I’ve always been a P&S type of guy and will stick to P&S. Im going to listen to some more of your vids now God bless you Mr Yvan
Thank you.
Yvan, awesome content as always, thank you! Couple of questions.
1. After rinsing down the presoak, you are going to have water on the surface which dilutes the rinsless solution. Isn't that an issue?
2. In your shops, do you use compressed air as part of the drying process to get the wash solution out of cracks? Or any other method to avoid polimer spots after wash?
3. What about the window seals? How to get them dry? I find quite annoying the have polimer spots on the windows after rolling them down.
Sorry for the extremely late response, for some reason this is my first time seeing this.
1 no it’s very minimal, not enough to affect the dilution.
2 yes, compressed air is a great quality and efficiency tool. The other option is a leaf blower.
3 again compressed air helps here.
@@Detailers-Business-Academy Thank you :)
Hi Yvan! When using a product like ONR and N914 should distilled water always be used or is tap water good enough? Also, do you recommend storing UBS in rinseless solution or keep it dry after using?
Tap water is fine, the UBS can be stored either way.
@@Detailers-Business-Academy Stupid question, with the compressed air / leaf blower, is that replacing the microfiber drying portion of the process or do you use them in conjuction (after) taking the microfiber to the car? (let's say, following a pre-rinse/ foam sponge clean). So: Pre-rinse --> Sponge clean --> Microfiber --> Compressed air or remove MF from the equation in this scenario?
Bonjour Yvan , j’apprecie beaucoup tes videos et ta phylosophie d’efficacité et de rendement , j’envisage de me lancer dans une carriere professionnelle a Montreal dans un stationnement intérieur du centre ville ou mobile a domicile . Ma question concerne les conditions hivernales quand les autos sont très sales, est ce que tu conseilles :
- canon a mousse avec un savon+ rincage+lavage a l’eponge +drying aid /essuyage
Ou
- Rinsless + APC + rinsless avec eponge + essuyage .
Merci
La deuxième option, mais le APC c’est vraiment pas nécessaire sur tous les autos.
@@Detailers-Business-Academy Merci ,est ce que c’est le degre de salete ou le type de salete qui determine l’usage de l’APC en foam ? (J’avais vu une video avec la Fiat rouge )
Oui, juste si c’est gras
@@Detailers-Business-Academy merci pour tes reponses rapides . 👍
Good to know better wash techniques and ones that don't do much (foam)! Will add big black sponge to wash process. Future topics: how thick must a coating be for proper protection? What _are_ graphene and "metallic" coatings (my hunch is they're SIO2 or SIC "infused" with some graphene or tin oxide or whatever's the "metal of the day") ?
Thanks for watching , good ideas
I’ve been using this method for a while and Ivan is right! I use an an Optima steamer and first pre treat with ONR AND follow with steam and an ONR and a sponge wet with ONR AND I HAVE A CLEAN CAR WITH no scratches!!
Thanks for watching!
Man you should zoom out a bit. Listening to you for few minutes sounds like you are hypnotist.
lol
I've never felt more confident about using a rinseless wash, but I still cannot see myself taking the plunge. Super soft paint definitely isn't helping. But I do trust you, so maybe I go for it after watching some tutorials
Once you dip your toes in the pool, you’ll dive in head first with confidence.
Try it! When I first heard him talk about it I was naturally opposed. However, $20 is cheap when it comes to finding out if what he says is true. I was HOOKED! Still am HOOKED! I love ONR. I love my UBS. If you don’t like it, I’ll buy the sponge from you 🤓😉😎
@@simplysimplemobiledetailin529 I used to offer that, no one ever sold me a sponge.
Hey Ivan, just wondering if you plan on an ONR documentary, that would be sweet!
No , I don’t work for Optimum, or any company for that matter. If a company wants a documentary about one of their products, they can produce one if they wish.
Hi! I’m recently a big fan of rinseless washing and I have some questions. Question 1 & 2 is mostly regarding the drying lubrication that comes with a rinseless wash, but I’m happy to get any valuable info and opinions. If you need a specific rinseless solution and/or sponge to answer, use ONR and UBS.
1. Can I use a wet wax or a hybrid ceramic wet wax after a rinseless wash?
If yes; How close to the drying do I need to wash the microfibre cloths if they have dried up a hybrid ceramic wet wax?
2. Is it fine to first use an insect spray on parts of the car and afterwards use a sponge soaked in a rinseless-water mix?
If yes; Is it bad to dunk the sponge back in the rinseless-water mix after dragning it over the area with bug spray?
3. Is it still important to go from the less dirty panels to the most dirty panels as I was instructed to do with the museum technique of car washing?
Thank you for a good informational video on car washing!
Thank you for your questions
1 yes, that’s fine. As for the second part of this question it would be best to ask Turtle Wax.
2 yes you can follow up insect remover with a Rinseless. It would be good to give it a quick rinse if there’s lots of insect remover on it.
3 yes, regardless of what product you use, a safe method is always preferred.
Thanks, you make me discover rinseless wash and its a pleasure to wash safety my car without wet my ass 😅
Happy it’s keeping you dry, all parts
Yes I have an idea for a video: Could you please make a video about how to properly ceramic coat a Tesla car? They have aluminum panels and their paint jobs are not great at all. There's very information online about how to properly ceramic coat a Tesla. Thank you man!
There is no difference coating a Tesla than any other vehicle. The paint is the same despite the steel, aluminum, or plastic under it.
Tesla has a reputation for poor paint, that’s partially earned, but many other companies are about the same.
@@Detailers-Business-Academy That is good to know. Thank you for the info. Nonetheless, such video will get many views and therefore subscribes, because Tesla owners such as myself have no idea. Even if the video is about explaining what you just explained me. People will really appreciate a guy with your knowledge letting them know there’s no difference with other cars. Cheers to your success Yvan! 👍🏻👍🏻
Noted, I’ll see if I can do something.
Do rinseless washed leave any waxes or polymers on the paint? I was wonder it this would work before painting, like pinstriping. I don't want to add any film before coming back with wax/grease removers. I just want a way to remove grit and dust.
Some do, some don’t. Some are marketed to be used as a paint prep.
Hi Yvan. Thank you for this info.
If the car is super dirty, should I spray it with ONR then wash it with a pressure washer and then respray it with ONR, and work it off with the UBS + one bucket with the solution?
No need for the second pre-spray
I knew it when yoy asked for foamy pictures😂 i'm waiting my Big Black Sponge she's in the mail. I will give a brake to my Big Red Sponge
Thanks for watching.
@@Detailers-Business-Academy always super informative🔥🔥🔥
@@kevind_53 thank you
Great content as always, thank you. I need to get one thing clear. Foam cannon foams are useless according to what you are saying because they sue old tech soaps and to lift nor encapsulate the dirt prior to the first jet wash rinse. Is this the case with ALL foams? There are nice rinseless washes that come in 5L containers and a hand sprayer on a long tube. I suppose this is the best thing since first of all I am using polymer based rinseless wash and secondly I am not using any power or water compared to foam cannon? I use Bilt Hamber Autofoam right now. It doesn't claim to be a rinseless or waterless wash but does say it lifts and encapsulates dirt. Cars from 10ft look really clean and only residual road film remains in the usual places, which I remove using contact wash. I watch your videos because I fully subscribe to your "philosophy" of doing more with less and not doing things which clients cannot see or don't care about. ANyways, thanks again :)
Some soaps like the one you use, will remove dirt, but unfortunately don’t provide much if any lubrication. Additionally if you do a test, apply the foam to one panel, allow to dwell and jet wash. On the adjacent panel simply jet wash it. Next allow them both to air dry. This will allow you to determine what work the foam is doing VS what the jet wash is doing.
My problem is that I have never seen a demo with a car that was really dirty. Living in Utah, one winter day driving on wet salted roads, and you have a thick layer of grime. Can't pre-rinse with a hose when it is freezing weather. Suggestions?
This was filmed in Utah
ua-cam.com/video/J-_x9yGjic8/v-deo.html
@@Detailers-Business-Academy thanks for the reply and link, very helpful.
Yvan, I've watched this vid several times. Question for you..What is the next innovation in the rinseless wash world
Better surface protection left behind, and possibly a new sponge technology.
What’s the best way to wash the sponge after usage?
It depends on your wash solution. Some will perfectly self clean the sponge. If your wash solution doesn’t, then some dish soap massaged into the sponge, then rinsed .
I have a question like it may sound crazy 😅....Can I use Rinseless wash as pre rinse in small spray pump....& after dwelling can I use pressure washer with rinseless wash solution itself instead of water 🤭 & then clean surface using special sponge which you recommend or chenyl mitt ...& blow dry that rinseless wash? is it ok?....I mean just asking my opinion. Is it safe actually 😅....I own Sports bike & I care about that so much 😅.....until now I follow Pan the organizer like foam spray & then bucket wash...
Yes, you can use Rinseless Wash like that .
Good stuff. Rinseless is the only way to go.
Once you go Rinseless , you won’t go back!
believe i did a year ago and my car soapchas been sitting on shelf collecting dust. lol
For me it's been the case!
I lend out a rinseless kit to someone that normally uses a garden hose, meguiar's and a chamois (not hating). Let's see if he'll stick to soap (Probably will, us Dutch are stubborn)!
Hey Yvan what are your thoughts about the Kamikaze Collection Hagakure Wash Sponge 2.0? The UBS isn't available here in France
The ubs is available in Europe. theragcompany.eu/products/the-ultra-black-sponge
I use bilt hamber auto foam and I gave tried your test and let the panel dry however the panel that has the auto foam on is a lot cleaner than the other one next to it after letting them both dry, and we are talking a big difference, it’s not a ph neutral foam and even after 5 washes the protection looks unaffected
Excellent
You said a pressure washer is a necessary tool in washing your car. What did you mean by that?
Before washing with Rinseless Wash ideally you want to pressure wash. Also a very useful tool for wheels and wheel wells. It a time saving tool.
No sir, the Most safety way to clean a car without scratching is a touchless wash , many guys out there don’t believe in touchless washes but there is real stuff on the market right now that you’re able to get 98% clean without touching your car and you just blow it out with the blower that way there is no friction no scratches.
Thank you for commenting
Thank you for the video. That was very informative. What is the best way to clean the Ultra Black Sponge?
With a bit of apc.
How could I incorporate this method in the winter time with salt and gravel on the car? Will ONR effectively lift the salt or is there another product you can recommend? Going to be looking into trying out the sponge method! Seems like it may be a faster method.
Optimum Tar was fantastic in the winter! Recommended!
This works year round, pre-spray, rinse, wash.
Yes it’s faster.
Thank you Ivan, How come all these UA-cam detailers keep using foam cannons, pressure washer first etc, creatures of habit?
Habit, and it looks good on camera.
I fancy using the TW Ceramic Wet Wax as a drying aid, to top off the ceramic coating of the car. Or it applies a short lasting ceramic coating, if the car has no protection from before.
Would you rinse off the rinse less wash before spraying on and drying the car using the TW Ceramic Wet Wax, or not?
Asking in another way, will the rinse less wash prevent the ceramic properties of the TW Ceramic Wet Wax to bond with the paint?
Depending on the Rinseless, but in general you’re best not to rinse. If you’re using it at every wash, then it really doesn’t make a big difference.
@@Detailers-Business-Academy Thanks for the answer Yvan. I was thinking about your rinse less wash, in particular.
Hi I have too ask you a question..What one product do you like the best ONR or McKees ..I know you can say both because of the prossess. But I'm an ONR fan but I have been watching a few using McKees rinseless and they have been saying about the slickness. I have seen you using both ..I would like your opinion on this..Thanks for the info
Scott, to me it doesn’t make enough of a difference one way or another, pick one you enjoy and run with it.
I've liked rinseless for quite a while, especially in colder weather. I love the idea of using it year round! I was just thinking today, as I washed my vehicle that I could save labor by using it again. Thanks for sharing!
Definitely a better way to wash.
Oh, man. Explode my mind. Im from Brazil, I've never seen anything about it around here. The only thing I saw was a conventional waterless wash with a microfiber glove and rinse bucket. Could I use a product like Echo from carpro for this method? Because I can't find the ONR in Brazil.
(and sorry, my english is rusty hehe).
Hail from Brazil.
Echo will work well for this. Thank you for the comment.
Any chance of you making a vidoe showing off how you do rinsless car wash?
I’ve made a few, you will find them on The Rag Company and McKee’s 37 UA-cam channels.
Hey Yvan great knowledge sharing. I always enjoy your videos. Ive noticed you work with Mckees37 rinseless wash does the Mckees Xtreme Foam auto shampoo use the same or similar technology?
No, a soap will not replace a rinseless wash.
Very informative video as always. Long time follower here. I switched from soap to ONR years ago. ONR is the only steadily available rinseless option in Germany. I recently purchased a new car and ceramic coated it the day I got the keys. Where I always struggled with ONR is the lower third of the car. Using only ONR I couldn't restore the hydrophobic properties of the coating on the lower parts of the car. Mainly those parts where the splash water from the tires hit the paint. Spraying APC and agitating it with the UBS+ONR seems to restore the hydrophobic properties very well. Is there something accumulating on the paint a simple ONR/rinseless wash can't get rid of? Seems weird having to use an APC basically everytime after the car was driven in the rain. Thank you very much Yvan!
Mostly mineral deposits.
Hi Yvan! Great Video! When using ONR or N914, is it necessary to always use distilled water or is tap fine? Also, should UBS be stored in rinseless solution like the BRS! What’s the best way to store UBS
No need for distilled water. The UBS can be stored wet or dry.
If dirt goes to the bottom of the bucket why do I end up with a grey ring around my bucket at the water line when I’m done? I love using rinseless but still concerned that it’s not the safest method.
The ring is comprised of oils removed from the surface of the paint. The grit goes to the bottom. If you want to test, correct your hood to perfection, do not apply any coatings. Next wash your car once a week , one side with soap, the other with Rinseless. You will see the difference rather soon.
@@Detailers-Business-Academy
Its “traffic film” haha 😂
That’s what they call it these days.
2:50 but they can foam! :D
Regards from DIY Detail channel!
Technology has advanced from when this video was made, now it’s possible to incorporate both polymers and emulsifiers.
Thanks for the great content as always Yvan!
Quick question; with the new ultra mitt/sponge from The Rag Company described as being able to use for rinseless washes as well, would it be a good substitute for the UBS?
Thanks for sharing your knowledge!
They are good, but not quite as safe as the sponge. Microfibre holds dirt closer to the surface.
@@Detailers-Business-Academy Got it, thanks for the reply! And looking forward to science & tech coming up with the next generation of sponges and rinseless wash solutions 👍
I’m on it!
My dear sir, congratulations on all those years providing excellent content and information for the detailing subjects, i admire you and your knowledge.
I have one observation in the foam cannon wash that i agree it is true ,that if you let the panels dry ,the dirt will stuck back again and you have wasted time and product, BUT i think that until..it dry out we have a time window witch if you touch the foam treated panel the dirt can be pushed off the panel far more easy VS the only water treated panel... inside the timeframe that is no dryied again.
And please can i ask...in my country we don't have many rinsless wash products and knowledge about them....but we have many rainy days and much chemical polutied and over polulated cities..so...we have much much ... traffic film from the roads.
How rinsless wash products deal with traffic film grease and road grime?
My kind regards dear sir
A good Rinseless wash is as effective as soap. What country are you in?
@@Detailers-Business-Academy thank you dear sir. Northen Greece Europe
My kind regards keep up your great work
do you refill your buckets with every wash? or do you use the same water with other cars. And the ultra black sponge do you keep it damp after every wash or have it in a wash bucket so it doesn't dry.
You can do a few cars with a bucket, your choice for the sponge
Great topic 👏
Thank you.
If I have hard water at home can I still use it with my rinseless wash or should I only use distilled water?
No need for distilled water
@@Detailers-Business-Academy Thank you sir, I’ve been switching my methods toward more rinseless washes. I appreciate all that you do keep up the great work!
Hi Yvan. Thanks for the very informative video.
My question is would It be safe to spray a rinsless wash over the vehicle and then go with the steamer and quite a few microfibre cloths?? Or could I use a foam sponge??
The choice is yours.
Good info. Thank you
Thank you for watching, what’s your wash method of choice?
@@Detailers-Business-Academy actually what I have been doing for a long time now is using 4 wash mitts that I pre-soak in bucket of water. Use a foam Cannon for a pre-soak then rinse. Then I reapply some Foam and evenly divided the wash mitt usage up throughout the whole car. But I will definitely start using the no-rinse method. It makes sense to me
What do you think about mixing in some no-rinse with some Car Pro reset. Would it still help with the lubricity and would that be okay to do or good to do?
Rinseless and soaps don’t always play well together.
Lots of people claim that McKee's N-914 is vastly better than ONR. I'm a longtime ONR user, and I didn't find that N-914 was anything special when I tried it. Seems more like a diluted detergent, as opposed to a substantive polymer like ONR. Are the two products a completely different chemical makeup? I don't see any reason to switch, ONR does everything I need it to.
Yes they are different and both accomplish their goal successfully, with ease. It’s never a question of one or the other, their both united against soap. Choose the one you like and rest assured you made the right choice.
Awesome video! What dilution should I use N914 as a pre-spray before pressure rinsing? Thanks.
Use any Rinseless at its regular wash dilution for that application.