Yes, happens a lot in U.K. too. Help desk expects us to take a call the moment our shift starts, but log in takes 15mins. That’s about two thousand pounds a year I’ve given them for free.
Stop whining, and be prepared to start working at what time you get paid for. If that takes 15 min prep time... suck it up. Loyalty works both ways. If you don't do this and someone else gets promoted .... don't bitch!
Unless, of course, you're Amazon. Or you can bully some undocumented workers or just regular-ol' poor people into doing it under threat of losing their jobs.
I worked for the federal bureau of prisons and we used to have to come in 15 minutes early to do roll call or we were considered late. And later I received a check for 10k in the mail didn’t have a clue what it was about. Apparently my union sued the government and they had to pay back all those hours years later!
My Union doing this rn. They expect us to come 15 mins early for shift or we're marked late, but we don't get paid for it and are expected to stay to the last minute.
lol I’ve had to ask supervisors to put something in writing before a few times - they never did lol amazing how whatever issue it was just disappeared lol
The first thing I learned about the Army is "If it isn't in writing, it doesn't exist." I learned this lesson before I even joined the Army. Before I signed my Enlistment Contract, I made sure my MOS of choice was in writing. I then spent the next 13 years teaching Officers, "If the Specialist asks for that in writing, you might want to find out why." Well, OK, the first 14 months was "If the PRIVATE asks for it in writing..."
Im petty so I’ll say sure thing but have absolutely no intention of doing it… I can keep doing that for a while until you give up. If you annoy me I’ll look for a new job and one day I just won’t show up
I'm currently working in onboarding in my company (in Germany). The first thing I tell every new employee here is: "Forget everything anyone told you about clocking in. I don't care who said it or when they said it. You clock in when your shift starts. And before clocking in you're not working. Period. If anyone gives you crap for that, refer them to me so I can tell them to stuff it."
I do it all the time. It is less work to keep workflow going then for it to stop at lunchtime everyday, but I am a manager and am supposed to do stuff like that instead of putting it on my employees.
@@HarryBalzak I had this personal policy. I would even wait down the block until two minutes before official start. So they had the crew leave before I arrived. I was to work alone that day. But then the one page instructions that I really needed for setting up a panel were hidden in the folds of the box, slowing my work by two hours, because I was using the wrong instruction page the entire time, at which time they fired me for working to slow. Welcome to America.
I disagree. Obviously someone shouldn't let themselves be taken advantage of but some people have pretty relaxed working hours and flex time or round up and down on hours if they track their time. Sometimes you just get stuff done because you can and it helps your coworkers or boss and they do the same for you. There's also the malicious compliance option of working off the clock because your boss told you to, racking up almost 3 years of this time and filing a lawsuit for 2x that OT pay in a labor lawsuit, which will be pretty open and shut and the company would be forced to pay any lawyer fees, outside the 1/3 pay they get on any judgements or if the company offers a fixed payment to ensure no court time happens. That's for a work environment you're not happy with.
Had a boss try pulling that stunt. First it was "come in fifteen minutes early" so everyone did and clocked in. Then it was "come in fifteen minutes early but don't clock in" so everyone did, but just hung around the office and chatting next to the terminal where we all clocked in. Then he tried saying "You guys can't just stand around for fifteen minutes! You need to be doing something!" So we all clocked in early and got to work early. He gave up after we loudly discussed bringing this up with the district manager
As soon as they get to know you like they got to know me and they see me start talking that's all it needs so they don't try me too much anymore that's for sure
I was a manager at a plant (this all happened before I got there) the was required to 7 years (max allowed) of back pay to the maintenance folks because they were required to wear specific uniforms for maintenance and had to arrive early to don them. After the court case every maintnece person received backpay and from then on 15 minutes of overtime per day, every day.
I worked in a clean lab, where we had to suit up, no exposed skin allowed. They never argued that you should be on the clock for that, but the shop soup seemed to think gowning and ungowning were part of your paid break. It took 5 seconds of a google search, for him to never bring it up again, in the remaining 4 years I worked there. To my knowledge, he didn't bring it up to other employees either.
@@davel4030 exactly, but some companies, well, are just not great to work for and look at employees as tools to be used, disgardedand replaced, not as assets. Sadly I worked for a few (typically the bigger they are, the worse) but luckily I had a skill set life situation that I could quit a position and have another next week.
I worked at a freezer warehouse. They wanted us to change into the uniform (giant jacket and overalls) before we clocked in. I kept changing first. Also if I get dirty working for you I will clean up on the clock.
Story of my best friend. He works in a car supply plant and his company tried to have them put on PPE in their free time. They didn't even want to pay for the shower time after their shift, which was mandatory since they worked with toxic substances. A short little threat with a law suit later and suddenly everything was paid for. If I had been one of the workers, I would've converted the law suit threat into a proper law suit. The company got off way too easy.
This actually happened in my department many years ago. Someone went to HR and not only was the practice stopped, the company also reimbursed the employees for all the time we could account for.
@@cctmsp13 - and maybe they can just pay you to shut you up, or let you off the hook for clocking in exactly on time, rather than have to pay the entire staff for that time, and they can keep ripping off almost everybody.
When i worked at Amazon they wanted everyone to be standing at the huddle by the start of the shift. Which meant we all had to spend 30 minutes each day going through security, going to our lockers, walking lunch to the break room, and getting your PPE and scanner logged in. All before clocking in. I got a class action law suit settlement from it a few years later
There was a big lawsuit in California a few years ago. I think Amazon was trying to argue that going through security etc was part of the employees "commute" and thus not responsible for paying for that time. People would be on site for an extra hour each day and not be getting paid.
Yep and if you're training to be a PA or a PG shift manager in supervisor for anyone who has never worked for Amazon. You have to start 30 minutes early unpaid to set up for the departments normal operations.
@@chernobyl169I suspect you're responding to one of those types who despise and deny provable facts that conflict with their political mythos. Just a guess.
You can generally count on HR to limit liabilities for the company, and in this case, authorizing/allowing wage theft would be admitting the liability not limiting it. Now, the other way HR can limit the liability is to terminate your employment (at will, dontchya know), but in most companies the smart bet is for HR to counsel the bad manager that what she's doing is illegal, and endangering the company, and to find alternate ways to whip the wage-slaves into compliance and production. There are still a lot of stupid people in manglement and HR tho.
@@Jeslik Well, no. If they fire you for reporting illegal practices, they set themselves up for a nice lawsuit (and no, it does not matter if they don't say it is for reporting it, the jury or judge aren't idiots and can put 1+1 together)
@@Jeslikyou need to watch some of the legal videos about wage theft and about how “at will” doesn’t mean you can just be fired with no consequences. Them firing you after you report wage theft is excellent grounds for a lawsuit and called retaliation.
I had a manager at Walmart HQ that tried this. He had the whole department doing it and then went to his manager to brag. His manager wrote him up for putting the company at risk. TOO LATE!
Actually, it's not. If you think about it, the Thirteenth Amendment EXPANDED slavery from "just black people" to "anyone we can railroad through the courts." Why do you think this "land of the free" has more people locked up than any other country in the world? We sit around and snivel that mass incarceration doesn't reduce crime, but what's our solution? "We need to lock more people up longer and for lesser crimes."
This happened to me, I worked at a bank and the CEO wanted us in the building 30 min BEFORE the shift began, and NO we were NOT paid to be there those 30 min early. We were to be there at 7:30am but not actually clock in on the system until 8am, so every week the bank received a FREE 3 hours of labor from each and every teller (including the receptionist) every week since we worked on Saturdays until noon. I was eventually fired for arriving at 7:50am and clocking in (for being late while ALSO admonished for clocking in “early”) At that time I was 20 yrs old, in college, and I didn’t know that this was ILLEGAL for them to do, so I accepted the termination and moved on. I cried SO hard when I left after being let go that day, I really felt I had failed somehow. In reality that was a defunct policy that they had zero right to demand since we were not paid for that 3 hours of work time every week.
I was having a bad day and literally pulled a page out of Dave Chappelle's Popcopy Skit "Man I got here when I could. You're not my freaking mom" followed by a shoulder check. Afterwards they started a new policy that up to 15 minutes past the hour is now considered "On time"
Yell the IRS. They will investigate claims as far back as 30-40 years now. 10 years will receive immediate attention but someone will decide to go audit the entire company just for the sake of ruining their week.
You are quoting some brainwashed nonsense! The whole point of that quote is to get you to give up your time for free! They have no intention of paying you!
That's true. I've certainly seen (even today) employees who clock in late and clock out early. We had an couple of employees who would take 20-30 minutes to drive and pick up their lunches, then come back and clock out for their lunch to sit in the cafeteria to eat for the next hour. Those employees are now gone.
Christ, just get a better job. I don't know why people bitch about this stuff. Companies are starving for good employees and people on either side (employee and employer alike) arguing over 15 minutes is stupid. You can just get another job and the employer could just hire a better employee. Divorce from work is legal.
Its fun that you think people actually have the rights and freedom to talk like this within corporate America. This is like a tutorial for how to get fired.
"I'm your boss and you're supposed to..." "Hold you accountable for unlawful and unreasonable requests that I'm under no obligation to comply with? Good, I'm glad we're in agreement!"
Lol although this is great shower thoughts realistically the boss says it in an indirect way (not direct) and if u deny it count ur days as they might fire u and mention unrelated things (whixh will make it hard to sue) -so I would say observe the work environment if everyone is kissing ass u can't act mighty (like this vedio).........but if they (boss) are trying this crap at maybe u or few ppl THEN u can shit back (althou still there is the possibility of being kicked out)...althou bosses try this at weak or new ppl -only exception is if it is a hard role and ur decent at it......not easy to replace. In general not a good idea for ur boss to have beef with u
@@gameonln6077 It definitely is more of a shower thought, especially since I work at a place where both me and my time are respected. But it is a very individual decision where some people are capable of putting up with BS (at least until another opportunity comes along), but others feel capable of standing their ground. Ideally, the more we hold people accountable for wrongdoing, the more workplaces will improve overall, but I know that's not always the case. I just hope that people can get to a mental and financial point where they can speak up for themselves. But hey, if someone actually got the chance to say that to a bad boss, that would be fun to hear.
@@moosesimpson8625 That's partly true, but some people can't afford to work for free. It's one thing to ASK an employee to do something outside of their job description, and quite another to demand it.
@Amethystar everything at work is a request. It's always a decision. If you decide you can't give a couple minutes or a little extra effort for the benefit of the company or the others employed there then you decide that you can't be trusted to advance in that company, career, or industry. Society and business has a massive collective component. No one deserves anything. Earning your way means giving of yourself. These videos and the people who believe this nonsense are dead-end people that want a participation trophy. Everyone can afford a couple minutes. That statementnis meaningless self-victimizing.
Realistic response to that: attach the email and the the reply to the state labor board. The investigation will then be a formality before massive fines are issued by the state.
As an HR professional… THANK YOU, for threatening to come to us. A good hr would happily have a conversation with the manager’s boss about legal and ethical boundaries. Good bosses know better
@@kcnicky2242 Depends. Most Managers are spineless and think their title makes them a boss. I was new at a place and the manager took me aside and said that people don't normally take their lunch and just work through it. I told him that I have to take a lunch per state law (Illinois). That manager went to HR himself and gave me an apology. He was the one that ended up getting fired in the end.
@@Venjamin Yeah. You only hear about the 0.003% of times when it actually works. Corporations have legal departments exactly to prevent this from happening. The HR department isnt there for you. They exist to protect the company.
@@babikatspelman2308 We were not paid for those 14 minutes but if someone asked you to do something it was expected you do it, like set up for a diagnostic exam.
@mollyhackman4910 hmm. Yes. Clearly businesses can ONLY survive by stealing their employees time, bullying them, breaking the law, etc. Dont let that happen? DMV.
This happens a lot. We had a fast food place that was forcing the young kids to work for free and called it training. Yea, the moms stopped that quickly. The establishment was forced to pay the kids they took advantage of.
Training in fast food company? It only takes 2 days to train someone to do those labor work. They were stealing there labor. They should have sued them.
@XRocket2009 two days I loved to know where you worked that Barely covers the sexual harassment training that were forced to take by state law Then you have the food handlers on top of the equipment and then the actual hands on position training I like to know how you got all that done in two days
I had my own situation of this once. After beginning a new job, I learned that 15 minutes off the clock was required daily. I worked there until I found a new job, which was 2 weeks later.
I worked at a company that had the same policy. My shift started at 3:00 pm, but I had to start work at 2:45 pm. One day, the manager approached me and he said why I am always late? I said I’m never late, I always clock in at 3:00pm and then he said no , you signed contract and I am bond to start at 2:45pm. I told him the contract doesn’t states that and it was voluntary. He wrote me up a couple times to when they terminated me. Well, I got a lawyer and that’s all I gotta say. 😅 sad because he was fired 2 months later. 😅
My 1st year in social work class, it was drilled into us to document, document, document, no matter trivial it might have seemed or request it in writing! Those two directives saved my azz throughout my career! Thanks Ms. Pratt! :)
@@georgetamunokuro2990Yep. You already aren’t paying me enough to take home 3x the rent on a safe local one-bedroom apartment. You’re assuming I’m receiving some kind of outside help so I can afford to work your crappy job. You don’t get to also not pay me for time I’m working on top of that! 🤷♀️
My previous boss was like this. He would constantly complain "No one wants to work" and "I cant find any qualified candidates". Meanwhile, he was offering a paltry $35k salary for an IT position that required 15+ years experience. And, since he couldn't hire anyone, those of us currently in the department were forced to work overtime to keep up with the workload, until several of us (myself included) quit due to burnout.
Whats funny is the boss that does this usually says things like, "were like a family here" but see how mad those bosses get when you ask for a personal day off for any reason other than being sick.
I had a manager call a meeting because me and my coworker “didn’t speak to her” when we passed her on our way to our stations. To be clear, he didn’t see her and when I did I circled back and said and quick hello and got to my spot so I wouldn’t be late. She called a whole meeting with our department over this.
@@browngirlzandra2 I've seen that happen before, my brother works in an office where he and one girl don't get along so he avoided talking to her. His boss called a meeting to discuss his actions and he said all he did was ignore her and get to work and she had a problem with it. Like what kind of job gets mad at you for working and not causing issues?
Honestly this is one of the things I've historically had the *least* problems with. Most places I've worked don't even call it sick days anymore, just PTO, paid time off. I guess someone somewhere realized it didn't much matter *why* you were taking days off, and if you use them up before the end of the year and then get sick later, everyone understands you're not getting paid that day.
Retaliation for whistleblowers is also illegal. I still would send that to HR so I would have documentation and then document any retaliatory activity by the manager. Wrongful termination and harassment are taken very seriously in all 50 states by the labor board.
@@rebekahjimenez2808 that only works if you're hired under certain contract (union or otherwise) conditions. All states except one are Right to Work (aka Right to Fire without cause) unless there's a contract. btw: the single exception is Montana.
@runningfromabear8354 you are rare. Most don't win unless there is a mound of evidence. But more often I see the employee being let go because of a technicality. The moment you show your intent to take it to HR, watch your back. HR is the for the interest of the company. So yes you fall in the minority that usually doesn't happen. Usually
I worked for a healthcare company that was so about "don't work off the clock." It was to the point that I couldn't take my lunch break while driving between buildings. You had to be clocked into one building, clock out for lunch, clock back in and then clock out at which your drive time started (which you got paid for). However, they didn't find a single problem with the fact that our schedules for seeing patients started exactly at the time we were supposed to clock in. We were allowed to clock in 6 minutes early but that gave us 6 minutes to get from the time clock to our department on the other side of the building and upstairs, get out our computer/schedule/etc and get logged in then get to the patient's room. There was also no time between patients in our schedule. I guess we were just supposed to twitch our noses and instantly transport ourselves to the next room and twitch our noses again to instantly get the patient ready.
I'm glad I stumbled on these shorts lately, they're painfully relatable. It's sooo frustrating always seeing people getting bullied, intimidated, and manipulated into unhealthy and unfair work behaviors.
Find therealveronica. That's the original creator who these clips were filched from. I just found that out and made sure to follow her because she's the one who's really sharing this info.
They will face the Judge one day, as will we all. Only those born again by grace, through faith in Jesus Christ will escape God 's just wrath for their sins.
@@ronarprefect7709 eeerhhmm...No they wont. They will get away with it and everybody will just get fucked. So, it´s better to defend yourself one way or the other. If god does exist and somehow he gets them punished that´s a plus.
Had this issue a few years ago. Ended up getting fired for refusing to come in a half hour early and work without getting paid. Boss said "we wont tolerate you coming in exactly on time every day and clocking in". Needless to say, I was flabbergasted. When I did it again the next day, they let me go. I left with a smile.
@FireHazardMan103 No. I didn't like the job anyways and didn't want to deal with the hassle of a lawsuit or lawyers or anything. I thought about it but decided to let it go.
@@andrewmarchitto8461 If they were doing it you, they were doing it to other schmucks who may not know how illegal it is. People only get away with what we allow them to do.
Retail used to do this. When i was a student i was sacked for turning up on time. So i went to a group in the uk called ACAS, and they got me unfair dismissal, got paid £4k out if court. 😂
I worked for a multinational corporation that did this but made us stand around for 12 minutes after clocking out under the guise of "doffing and donning" that is cleaning up and changing out of work clothes. Feds found out about it, and all employees ended up getting a payout of $3500 to compensate.
@Potatoe-f6u Just because they could under the guise of "passing information to the next shift." Didn't fly with the feds however. Site ops manager lost his job afterwards.
I worked for a jewelry company in the late 90s. This was back when you actually signed in with a punch card on a machine. My boss allowed us to clock in up to 15 minutes early, and clock out up to 15 late. I can see the first being good encouragement to be working early, and the latter allowed us to finish up jobs at the end of day and not have to redo the setup the next day.
This is the way it should be. Diligent people will routinely get to work a little early to make allowance for the possibility of random small traffic snags. If they're willing to start early, reward them for it. Of course, this is contingent on the people actually, you know, working. The folks that come in and their first 30 minutes after clocking in, even if only metaphorically by walking in the door, sitting around chatting don't deserve it.
My place of employment actually required us to be in and on the clock 15 minutes prior to our actual start time for a hot minute. Then the realized it was stupid and was causing people with young children a huge amount of headache because their childcare places didn't let them drop their kids off any earlier, so they finally stopped making it mandatory.
I worked in a store and working hours were counted per 30 minutes. So whenever I had to open and close. I clocked in 15 minutes early and out 15 minute late. Or I came just 5 minutes early to open the and the rest of preparation, I would do in opening hours. For 30 minutes we hardly had a customers anyways so time enough...😅 20 minutes before closing we'd often keep just one register open for card pay only, so we could leave faster.
With time some organizations in professional settings even offer longer flexibility. 2 hours shift start to end flexibility and then eventually companies adopted the just get 40 hours minimum a week and decide how you want to set as long as you make company meeting times and good standing… departments in response conduct most meetings between 10 and 3 to allow others their flexibility…
Pitney Bowes requires you to NOT allocate any time over what your hours say BUT they will dock you if you even are one minite late to work. I'm so glad i left them and never looked back
Exactly. I don't show up to my job because I like being there or because I like basking in the glow of my co-workers, I show up because I have bills to pay. You also don't need to to say thank you to me every time I perform my duties, they pay me for this, I don't do it out of the kindness of my heart. The day I start volunteering to do this job, THEN you can thank me for it.
It does not, actually. The FLSA says two things: 1. you get overtime for working over 40 hours in a week, and 2. you have to be paid federal minimum wage. That's it. Bosses are legally free to demand you work extra unpaid time up to 40 hours whenever they insist on it as long as that doesn't take your total pay rate below $7.25 an hour. So: work 35 hours a week for $9 an hour? Sorry, now you work 40 hours a week for $7.88 an hour, we've decided. Oh, and if you complain, you're fired. Absolutely 100 percent legal. Thankfully most blue states have at least some actual labor laws fit for a modern society, but most red states don't. If you don't like the law as it stands you should elect better state and federal legislators, which in practice means more Democrats.
@@DarklordZagarna Whatever shit your union has been feeding you.. is complete bullshit, btw. Plus.. we were talking about unpaid overtime there big buy.
@@DarklordZagarna If an employer tries to do that to you, file a complaint with the department of Labor. The fines would far outweigh your companies incentive to commit wage theft. I personally received about 3 thousand dollars in back pay from a company i worked for last year after filing. But keep it up keyboard warrior, i'm sure you and Sleepy creepy Joe have it all worked out
@@DarklordZagarna Actually, case law and how it is interpreted says that employees must be compensated at the "agreed wage" which must be at least the minimum wage. Now, the agreed wage can be adjusted at any time in most situations. An employee who refuses to work for a lesser wage would most often be entitled to unemployment benefits should they refuse compensation at the lesser wage. It is complicated and nuanced.
@@blazeesq2000 Some state case law says that. Not federal case law. This is all laid out on DOL's website: www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/compliance-assistance/handy-reference-guide-flsa "The FLSA does not provide wage payment or collection procedures for an employee’s usual or promised wages or commissions in excess of those required by the FLSA."
I had this wage theft problem while working for an optical store. The store policy was to arrive early and 'set up' before clocking in at the beginning of shift and after lunch. Worse was the company's policy to sell high-end lenses to customers, but order and install cheaper ones. The customers weren't told or compensated. They couldn't identity or prove that they didn't receive what they paid for without the specialized equipment that an optical store has. It was fraud. I'd love to see one of these videos tearing down 'sales goals'! 😂
because upper management is usually no better or has a blind spot towards anything that happens below them. Mid level managers usually get in through social connections(or ass kissing, whichever term you prefer) or because they sought it out when there was a vacancy and they didn't show off any red flags.
@skrubknight884 - my experience with upper management is that they tend to be more nuanced narcissists as opposed to the out-and-out power mad brutes usually found in lower management.
It's because they do this to increase work output on the sly to look good to their superiors in order to get promoted. The trouble is when the inevitable wage theft lawsuit happens it gets traced back to that manager and they get fired.
Because technically speaking...they do make good managers. They get a ton of free labor out of people. They manage to keep the workers working and low paid. It's terrible for the employee, but statistically speaking it usually works out great for the company. Especially since those low level managers are barely paid more than the bottom rung grunts. And if something DOES come up and an employee gets smart about it, upper management gets to say "whoopsie, we didn't realize that, we'll fire them immediately and make changes!" Then they just promote the most desperate, will broken person who falls in line to fill the void and start over again. They make excellent scapegoats to do their dirty work.
I worked for a company that refused to pay us for “ride time”. I would drive to the warehouse, load up the trucks and prepare sheetmetal for the job then we would ride together in a company truck but we would usually travel over an hour away. Thats 2 hours per day we were at work but not getting paid. I argued with the boss about it but eventually just ended up quitting because we were already working 10 hr days add in ride time and it was 12 hr days by the time we got back unloaded the trucks and I drove home it was about a 13 hr day and we were forced to do this 6 sometimes 7 days a week. That’s 10-14 hours unpaid time on the job each week
@@ViewAppalachia Same thing here got to shop at 7am didn’t leave until 8am, drive to site and then I’m paid piece rate for a condenser at $90 yeah I was out quickly waste of time getting that gas licence to get into the trade..
@@emmaothorell They’re not getting paid at that time. A lot of places use Kronos, and you can clock in your start time up to 30 minutes earlier. So if your shift starts at 7, you come in at 6:30, put in 7 at the clock and it registers for 7. It’s like showing you are on the premises. It’s perfectly legal and recommended by management and payroll. Then you start setting up or change into uniforms or just relax before your shift actually starts. That’s your time, not theirs.
I seen people go clock in then go strait to "poop"... 25 minutes later they emerge with an entirely different face.... full of makeup and reeking of perfume and carrying starbucks....then...spending 10 more minutes at their desk setting their stuff up, digging inbtheir purse/texting/ dillydallying and putting lotion on and "rubbing it in" so they conveniently can't touch the phone or the computer or anything else for a "just a few more minutes" which turns out to be about 15 minutes after leaving the desk to go to the water station and make themselves a cup of water with lemon to bring back to their desk that will be placed right next to the starbucks.
@@user-sb2wl8zj7f It’s your time until your shift starts. You don’t get paid until the shift starts. I’ve seen people get in trouble for doing something management asked them to do before or after their shift began and ended.
@@unyieldingsarcasm2505 this is the part of it that a lot of people forget. HR protects the company. But that also means shutting down any possible lawsuits. Wage theft is a bad look and costs more in the longterm than being an honest business, and a good HR rep knows it
Doesn’t matter. When it comes to adhering to law they will usually back you up. If you present this evidence to HR and then are fired, you have a mountain of proof it was retaliation for refusing to do something illegal, and employment lawyers will be salivating to take your case lol
100% agree, I’ve worked an 8-4 job for 20 years and I have not once arrive at my place of business any later than 7. It’s a relaxing way to start my day.
@@chrishenrion9451the majority of people do not donate their time to corporations for free for no reason. If thats what you did well… thats your choice… the rest of us value our time.
When I worked in an actual office, I would always try to get in about 20-25 minutes early so I could grab a (free) latte and (free) food from the cafeteria and have breakfast before starting to work. Having free breakfast is a good way to have people come in a bit early. 😁
I'm really sorry - this is actually the consequence of bad work ethic from boomer/genX. You should be working when your shift starts, not taking a newspaper to the toilet for an hour. Like you should call in sick when you're sick, not when you have a hangover and then come to work with whooping cough to spread the joy. Jobs aren't all the same - you wouldn't be ok with a coffee shop opening at 8am and not starting until 8:15, or a dentist making you wait an hour cuz they're out for lunch. Being 15min early and grabbing a coffee, so the work actually starts at the beginning of a shift isn't that unreasonable.
@@htimsid Yes, it's not unreasonable. However, turning on the computer, logging into the programs, putting on the mandatory uniform and such ARE part of work. If it's required by your employer, it IS work, even if your employer tells you to eat a sandwitch you brought with you.
I had a boss who scheduled me to start at 10a. The earliest I could clock in was 9:53a. Morning huddle started at 9:45a. So I clocked in at 9:53a and walked over to the huddle... the boss asked me why I was late. Fun times.
I'm so glad work from home is a thing now. My boss also says the earliest i can "sign in to the system" is 7min before my shift starts, but since i'm work from home, i literally don't have access to the system until i sign into it, and it's not super fast, and usually takes about 5min or so for all the programs to load, so i couldn't be to a team meeting earlier even if i wanted to, the system won't let me.
Exactly they want you there unpaid and then everyone clock in together at 10 and wait in a line so you start getting paid at 10:05 and god forbid you take a minute longer than 15 for your break
I remember when I moved across the country for a job that actually had a union. I arrived for the first day fifteen minutes early, because in the south "if you're not early, you're late" is a mantra. When no one was there I was freaking out, like I had a date wrong or something. Then finely people started showing up. Some directly on time, but most a few minutes late. That required a whole mental shift for me.
Meanwhile I'm getting in trouble for working two minutes into my break because they're scared I'm going to sue the company. All I want is to finish what I'm working on without stupid interruptions!
@@TheAnantaSesa It's a few things. My break is sometimes required to end at a specific time because things have a schedule and need to be started at that time. I'm in California and legally lunch has to be taken at or before the 5 hour mark. Or what I'm working on is at the end of the day and I'd rather take a couple minutes of my own time to have things ready to go in the morning than drop it as a mess exactly at quitting time.
@@Arbidarb seems like pre authorized couple minutes of OT would help a lot for the end of day issue. Something needs done for the other example bc if you quit at break also leaving a mess Idk how you can start the new thing as soon as break ends.
Britons used to call it "togging up time". Employers would demand they start work at, say, 8 am. But many jobs required workers to get ready BEFORE they started work ( uniforms, protective gear, etc.) and the employer was NOT paying for the prep time. So workers struck and demanded "togging up" time. They got it.
I had a manager tell the whole staff of employees that everyone needs to come in 15 minutes early. I pointed out that within one week that would be hours of unpaid labor.
had a boss like that he would walk the parking lot 15 mins before people had to clock in and nock on windows so I'd always sit out there just to annoy him 😂
I had a general manager come out and tell me to work off the clock. I told him to do the override on the time clock to punch me in and I would get right on it. He refused but kept pressuring me to do the work. So I called HR and reported him. I guess HR chewed him out because he came up to me the next day and told me that what he was telling me to do was SOP(standard operating procedure). I looked at him funny and told him, no kidding, because what I did is SOP too!! I then turned and walked away. He tried to get me fired after that, but because I had reported him, HR defended me every time he tried something. They knew I could sue if they let him fire me.
I remember working a toxic temp job at a fruits processing company at Gresham, Oregon that was like this. Boss kept on complaining that I couldn't finish the paperwork job on-time after the processing finished (usually after midnight) and they didn't want to pay any overtime. What this does is force people to clock-out "on-time", but stay on after work hours to finish up all the paperwork and data entry. They know this, and purposely allow it.
Actually it's not, even if she comes 15 minutes early, she starts working at 7, not when she arrives. That 15 minutes Veronika can have for herself at her work place.
I actually got fired from Taco Bell for not attending one of these, despite having a doctor's note that excused my absence for the week. I was 17 and had no idea I had a leg to stand on (1989).
"Hello, police? Yeah, I clocked out for the day but my boss won't let me leave. Isn't that unlawful imprisonment or something like that? An officer is on the way? Great." All said while staring the boss down...
I'm happy that people in "normal" jobs try to stand their ground on stuff like this. I worked construction for a very small company in 2020. We were working out of town in Savanah, TN. They wanted you to show up at 6, ride an hour to the jobsite unpaid, work like an absolute dog for $14/hr. and per diem from 7 AM till whenever they felt like leaving which was usually 7-8 PM! They didn't take lunch, they didn't take breaks and they would get mad at you if you went to get water which was always purposely out of reach. We'd work 80 hours one week and then they'd lay us off after a day or two with no pay bc of weather (even though we were promised at least 40 every single week) Don't put up with people's crap. Stand your ground and never be so broke that you can't say no even in a situation like 2020.
@@royce9018 you don’t understand how traveling being a requirement for only some jobs means employers have to pay you right? Most states if you track your driving time to and from work, you get a tax break.
@@royce9018 I think he meant he commuted to/arrived at work, but then they all drove equipment (trucks, etc) to the jobsite they were working at that day.
@@royce9018 no dingus. We had to show up at 6, bright eyed and bushy tailed. Have a safety meeting, talk ab the plan for the day, get in our crew trucks, hookup trailers, etc. and then drive 45 mins or more away to whatever site we were working on that day. Unpaid labor.
@@SaintFr33wayy - You should probably breathe at least. Bad things happen when you don't. I know, I work in a hospital, and I always insist that people here breathe. It involves a lot of paperwork if they stop.
😮 where I live you're insured starting when you leave your home till you get back home (unless you go shopping or whatever in between. Just the direct easy from home to work and back).
@@sammyauscux9529yeah similar to if you visit someone, they have a portion of responsible obligation to ensure you return home safe. I guess it's more to help investigate kidnappings and individual/distinct cases of missing individuals/persons.
Not everyone is looking for an excuse to sue. They simply want their boundaries respected while working their job. I talked to my boss about Overtime when we switched to hourly, because he wouldn't pay overtime unless we charged our customer overtime (and often waited until the overtime payment from the customer was invoiced) and I politely informed him that the law doesn't work that way. He changed it within a month. Sure he was a cheap bastard, but I love the job I have and he simply had to learn he couldn't walk over us.
Yeah well when your employer has been around for over 100 years serving over 600,000 people, do you know how many bulletins, memos, and references there are? Kind of overwhelming.
@@AZ-cq3us None of that matters. It is your employer's responsibility to make your tasks and responsibilities clear to you. The employee handbook has all the updated policies and responsibilities pertaining to you. You have no idea how many lawsuits have the employee handbook as evidence.
I’ve always wondered how nurses are required to come in at least 15 minutes early, if not 30, to start getting report on their patients but aren’t supposed to clock in until the actual start of shift.
I had this at a previous job, I refused and my manager tried to put me on what he called 'clock watch' which was coming in 30 minutes early to 'prove' that I could come in on time. When I laughed and asked him to send an email to show that I would receive an extra 2.5 hours compensation that week or that I could leave 30 minutes early he looked like his head was going to explode and threatened me with a written warning. I had a lovely chat with his boss and he got bollocked and hated me for the rest of my time there 😂
I was a supervisor years ago, we always got together 15 minutes early to chat and drink coffee, it was a option. Until my manager came and said everyone HAD to be 15 minutes early, no pay, set up, no chatting or drinking coffee. Needles to say, I never followed up on that, and we just went on with our chatting and coffee drinking😊 Iff a new person started, I always said we had coffee before, they where welcome to join, iff not, then they knew their time❤ My team was one of the very rare that never switched and we always stayed, iff one was sick, or had a day off, etc, we always got each other backs 🤷♀️
Exactly what I told a manager before the company got sued and he got fired. Company was so ecstatic they had to reimburse 27 employees 3 years of his "mandatory" policy.
@@aleckcain4142 I used to work for the state of illinois, which is an extremely corrupt state. they abused me terribly and i tried to rely on the afscme union to assist me but they were just as corrupt. a hard lesson i learned from that experience is that the only real leverage you have is to leave that employer and find a new one. i always say that there's no such thing as job security, but you CAN have CAREER security. the unfortunate reality is that career progression is bouncing from one employer to the next to swat problems away and advance. you're always going to be abused. just make sure you're getting paid for it handsomely. you want me to come in 15 early? OK, as long as my salary is well above market average. Otherwise, bye, I'm going to a new employer where i'll be abused again but for a much better wage.
Easiest way to find out if the company is asking you to do something illegal is to ask for it in writing. If they're unwilling to leave a paper trail, it's illegal.
When I managed nurses I expected them to be in the nurses station for hand over when their shift started, but getting their equipment set up & gathering supplies they needed for the shift was part of their job, so done on company time. I understand the frustration when employees arrive when their shift starts then make some coffee & breakfast, have a little gossip in the kitchen, walks over to someone else’s station to arrange a weekend drinking session, then finally gets to handover half an hour after start time though. That’s not cool, especially if it causes night staff to have to stay back while morning staff get up to speed.
I agree. New Career Nurse having worked 1,000 + overtime hours in 30ys childcare. Happy to arrive 10 ms early to count S8s to ensure timely Handover as get 15m extra morning tea, free paid training & early marks on AM shift. Give & receive.
I've had managers try to pull this stuff me. Being there esrly but not clock in, trying to keep from paying over time by giving comp hours on the next pay period, etc.
Its a federal offense to ask a worker to work off the clock. Its considered wage theft.
Yep. Class action lawsuits
Yes, happens a lot in U.K. too. Help desk expects us to take a call the moment our shift starts, but log in takes 15mins. That’s about two thousand pounds a year I’ve given them for free.
Ultracuts,Supercuts,Procuts and Topcut all rrquired that we show up and set up our equipment at least 15 minutes before clocking in.
Stop whining, and be prepared to start working at what time you get paid for. If that takes 15 min prep time... suck it up. Loyalty works both ways. If you don't do this and someone else gets promoted .... don't bitch!
Unless, of course, you're Amazon. Or you can bully some undocumented workers or just regular-ol' poor people into doing it under threat of losing their jobs.
I worked for the federal bureau of prisons and we used to have to come in 15 minutes early to do roll call or we were considered late. And later I received a check for 10k in the mail didn’t have a clue what it was about. Apparently my union sued the government and they had to pay back all those hours years later!
Bet that was a nice surprise 😅
That's why you need unions - HR won't have your back but the union will and they are a mine of support and information
@@KatieM786HR is there to support management, Unions are there to support workers
My Union doing this rn. They expect us to come 15 mins early for shift or we're marked late, but we don't get paid for it and are expected to stay to the last minute.
@@warriorfire8103 yes it was 10k
I love the "can I get that in writing." It's a simple, effective way to shut them down.
One can deny spoken words, but can't deny written letters.
lol I’ve had to ask supervisors to put something in writing before a few times - they never did lol amazing how whatever issue it was just disappeared lol
The first thing I learned about the Army is "If it isn't in writing, it doesn't exist." I learned this lesson before I even joined the Army. Before I signed my Enlistment Contract, I made sure my MOS of choice was in writing.
I then spent the next 13 years teaching Officers, "If the Specialist asks for that in writing, you might want to find out why."
Well, OK, the first 14 months was "If the PRIVATE asks for it in writing..."
Our lunch break is 30 minutes. But my boss ask us to come back to our work station 15 minutes early. Is this legal?
@@LaoSoftwareNot in the USA, no it is not legal
These shorts got me out of so many situations at work. Thank you wise woman Veronica . 💯
It's amazing, Veronica Really Is The Best Coworker 🙏🙏🙏
It’s the audacity to have an attitude while demanding that you work for free for 15 minutes everyday.
15 mins a day is 60 hours a year. Basically equivalent many peoples usable/accesible pto
Im petty so I’ll say sure thing but have absolutely no intention of doing it… I can keep doing that for a while until you give up. If you annoy me I’ll look for a new job and one day I just won’t show up
Audacity; free 100% of the time!! 😅
I'm currently working in onboarding in my company (in Germany). The first thing I tell every new employee here is:
"Forget everything anyone told you about clocking in. I don't care who said it or when they said it. You clock in when your shift starts. And before clocking in you're not working. Period. If anyone gives you crap for that, refer them to me so I can tell them to stuff it."
And then thwy wouldn't even appreciate it
Never. Work. Off. The. Clock.
This can not be stressed enough.
I do it all the time. It is less work to keep workflow going then for it to stop at lunchtime everyday, but I am a manager and am supposed to do stuff like that instead of putting it on my employees.
@@HarryBalzak I had this personal policy. I would even wait down the block until two minutes before official start. So they had the crew leave before I arrived. I was to work alone that day. But then the one page instructions that I really needed for setting up a panel were hidden in the folds of the box, slowing my work by two hours, because I was using the wrong instruction page the entire time, at which time they fired me for working to slow. Welcome to America.
I know an Indian at work who comes in 7 oclock and leave 3:30...
This cannot be stressed enough.
I disagree. Obviously someone shouldn't let themselves be taken advantage of but some people have pretty relaxed working hours and flex time or round up and down on hours if they track their time. Sometimes you just get stuff done because you can and it helps your coworkers or boss and they do the same for you.
There's also the malicious compliance option of working off the clock because your boss told you to, racking up almost 3 years of this time and filing a lawsuit for 2x that OT pay in a labor lawsuit, which will be pretty open and shut and the company would be forced to pay any lawyer fees, outside the 1/3 pay they get on any judgements or if the company offers a fixed payment to ensure no court time happens. That's for a work environment you're not happy with.
Does this apply to salaried employee?
Had a boss try pulling that stunt. First it was "come in fifteen minutes early" so everyone did and clocked in. Then it was "come in fifteen minutes early but don't clock in" so everyone did, but just hung around the office and chatting next to the terminal where we all clocked in. Then he tried saying "You guys can't just stand around for fifteen minutes! You need to be doing something!" So we all clocked in early and got to work early.
He gave up after we loudly discussed bringing this up with the district manager
A boss once said to me "You're late!", which I was, a very rare event. So I said to him"No problem, I'll leave early to make up for it."
But if you've got 12 dudes working for free for 15 minutes. That's 3 hours of cumulative work done that no OT was paid for.
@@erswnnwell that doesn’t make any damn sense now does it
@@apiranha1 seriously what is the poster trying to convey with their comment
Malicious compliance. I love it
If we all responded like Veronica we’d be so much happier
Or fired 😂
unemployed
If everyone responded that way I’d have to remove myself from this planet. She’s right, don’t work off the clock, but the smugness is a no for me dog.
As soon as they get to know you like they got to know me and they see me start talking that's all it needs so they don't try me too much anymore that's for sure
@@Knucklehead4400again if WE ALL, bosses wouldn’t have a choice BUT to have 10 Veronica’s per building
I was a manager at a plant (this all happened before I got there) the was required to 7 years (max allowed) of back pay to the maintenance folks because they were required to wear specific uniforms for maintenance and had to arrive early to don them.
After the court case every maintnece person received backpay and from then on 15 minutes of overtime per day, every day.
I worked in a clean lab, where we had to suit up, no exposed skin allowed.
They never argued that you should be on the clock for that, but the shop soup seemed to think gowning and ungowning were part of your paid break. It took 5 seconds of a google search, for him to never bring it up again, in the remaining 4 years I worked there.
To my knowledge, he didn't bring it up to other employees either.
PPE should be put on and taken off on company time
@@davel4030 exactly, but some companies, well, are just not great to work for and look at employees as tools to be used, disgardedand replaced, not as assets.
Sadly I worked for a few (typically the bigger they are, the worse) but luckily I had a skill set life situation that I could quit a position and have another next week.
I worked at a freezer warehouse. They wanted us to change into the uniform (giant jacket and overalls) before we clocked in. I kept changing first. Also if I get dirty working for you I will clean up on the clock.
Story of my best friend. He works in a car supply plant and his company tried to have them put on PPE in their free time. They didn't even want to pay for the shower time after their shift, which was mandatory since they worked with toxic substances.
A short little threat with a law suit later and suddenly everything was paid for. If I had been one of the workers, I would've converted the law suit threat into a proper law suit. The company got off way too easy.
This actually happened in my department many years ago. Someone went to HR and not only was the practice stopped, the company also reimbursed the employees for all the time we could account for.
hr is not your friend, that does not mean your interests are not aligned from time to time
@@alanolson6535hr stopped the company potentially getting a big fine and having to pay back the money anyway.
W move for the company tbh, so many of them are shady
@@alanolson6535 turns out sometimes HR realizes that paying you is better than losing a court case and having to pay you anyways.
@@cctmsp13 - and maybe they can just pay you to shut you up, or let you off the hook for clocking in exactly on time, rather than have to pay the entire staff for that time, and they can keep ripping off almost everybody.
Yeah, always ask for it in writing when you're given a questionable order.
Paper trails are great CYA.
Amen dude always get it in writing
Thanks for that
My wife exactly. Everything is verified or stated through email. She knows her HR handbook better than HR.
When i worked at Amazon they wanted everyone to be standing at the huddle by the start of the shift. Which meant we all had to spend 30 minutes each day going through security, going to our lockers, walking lunch to the break room, and getting your PPE and scanner logged in. All before clocking in. I got a class action law suit settlement from it a few years later
😂😂😂
Who is your lawyer? I got something going on like that a similar situation at Las Vegas ballpark right now.
@@KallMehAJay I SECOND THAT. Who was your lawyer?
There was a big lawsuit in California a few years ago. I think Amazon was trying to argue that going through security etc was part of the employees "commute" and thus not responsible for paying for that time. People would be on site for an extra hour each day and not be getting paid.
Yep and if you're training to be a PA or a PG shift manager in supervisor for anyone who has never worked for Amazon. You have to start 30 minutes early unpaid to set up for the departments normal operations.
Fun fact. In most countries, the US and UK included, wage theft is the biggest type of theft by a large amount, including shoplifting, etc.
Sure Jan
@@destroytheliberalmachineno861 It's true. By value, the largest theft in the US is wage theft. Embezzlement is a distant #2.
@@chernobyl169I suspect you're responding to one of those types who despise and deny provable facts that conflict with their political mythos. Just a guess.
@@destroytheliberalmachineno861 you literally cry to suppress wages of everyone just so you don’t have to pull up your bootstraps to afford McDonald’s
#1 is actually theft of my time chasing down statistics in posts without references but thank god ChatGPT is very quick now
If only we could rely on HR to be in your corner..
You can generally count on HR to limit liabilities for the company, and in this case, authorizing/allowing wage theft would be admitting the liability not limiting it.
Now, the other way HR can limit the liability is to terminate your employment (at will, dontchya know), but in most companies the smart bet is for HR to counsel the bad manager that what she's doing is illegal, and endangering the company, and to find alternate ways to whip the wage-slaves into compliance and production.
There are still a lot of stupid people in manglement and HR tho.
HR is not to be trusted
@@Jeslik Well, no. If they fire you for reporting illegal practices, they set themselves up for a nice lawsuit (and no, it does not matter if they don't say it is for reporting it, the jury or judge aren't idiots and can put 1+1 together)
@@Jeslik - If a person was fired going 2 HR about the manager violating employment law, the employee would have an even bigger lawsuit.
@@Jeslikyou need to watch some of the legal videos about wage theft and about how “at will” doesn’t mean you can just be fired with no consequences. Them firing you after you report wage theft is excellent grounds for a lawsuit and called retaliation.
I had a manager at Walmart HQ that tried this. He had the whole department doing it and then went to his manager to brag. His manager wrote him up for putting the company at risk. TOO LATE!
"I am your boss & you're supposed to do..."
Me: "Legal slavery is over."
“And you’re supposed to pay me for those 15mins” two can play that game 🙈
Legal slavery isn't over. It is now controlled by the federal reserve.
Legal slavery exists actually, the 13th amendment has an exception written in it. convicted of a crime.
However, Illegal slavery ...😂😂😂😂
Actually, it's not. If you think about it, the Thirteenth Amendment EXPANDED slavery from "just black people" to "anyone we can railroad through the courts."
Why do you think this "land of the free" has more people locked up than any other country in the world? We sit around and snivel that mass incarceration doesn't reduce crime, but what's our solution? "We need to lock more people up longer and for lesser crimes."
If they want.”15 minutes early”, than just make the start time 15 minutes earlier.
But then they’d have to pay for it and want free labor.
Mmhumm
Came in 15 minutes early got paid 20 minute lunch.
This happened to me, I worked at a bank and the CEO wanted us in the building 30 min BEFORE the shift began, and NO we were NOT paid to be there those 30 min early. We were to be there at 7:30am but not actually clock in on the system until 8am, so every week the bank received a FREE 3 hours of labor from each and every teller (including the receptionist) every week since we worked on Saturdays until noon. I was eventually fired for arriving at 7:50am and clocking in (for being late while ALSO admonished for clocking in “early”) At that time I was 20 yrs old, in college, and I didn’t know that this was ILLEGAL for them to do, so I accepted the termination and moved on. I cried SO hard when I left after being let go that day, I really felt I had failed somehow. In reality that was a defunct policy that they had zero right to demand since we were not paid for that 3 hours of work time every week.
Class action lawsuit babes
I was having a bad day and literally pulled a page out of Dave Chappelle's Popcopy Skit
"Man I got here when I could. You're not my freaking mom" followed by a shoulder check. Afterwards they started a new policy that up to 15 minutes past the hour is now considered "On time"
You can still sue them
Yell the IRS. They will investigate claims as far back as 30-40 years now. 10 years will receive immediate attention but someone will decide to go audit the entire company just for the sake of ruining their week.
I enjoyed the skits but could you please create new content instead of redesigning the characters.
"Early is on time. On time is late."
Absolutely, but you're still paying me for whatever time I work. Period.
You are quoting some brainwashed nonsense! The whole point of that quote is to get you to give up your time for free! They have no intention of paying you!
That is 60 hrs. per year...that is theft (time theft is not just for the company it's for employees too).
My state calls this wage theft and it's a crime
That's true. I've certainly seen (even today) employees who clock in late and clock out early. We had an couple of employees who would take 20-30 minutes to drive and pick up their lunches, then come back and clock out for their lunch to sit in the cafeteria to eat for the next hour. Those employees are now gone.
Christ, just get a better job. I don't know why people bitch about this stuff. Companies are starving for good employees and people on either side (employee and employer alike) arguing over 15 minutes is stupid. You can just get another job and the employer could just hire a better employee. Divorce from work is legal.
Its fun that you think people actually have the rights and freedom to talk like this within corporate America. This is like a tutorial for how to get fired.
@@captain_context9991 nor should you. Employees just want to work and go home. Creating a bunch of drama just ruins the environment for everyone.
"I'm your boss and you're supposed to..."
"Hold you accountable for unlawful and unreasonable requests that I'm under no obligation to comply with? Good, I'm glad we're in agreement!"
Lol although this is great shower thoughts realistically the boss says it in an indirect way (not direct) and if u deny it count ur days as they might fire u and mention unrelated things (whixh will make it hard to sue)
-so I would say observe the work environment if everyone is kissing ass u can't act mighty (like this vedio).........but if they (boss) are trying this crap at maybe u or few ppl THEN u can shit back (althou still there is the possibility of being kicked out)...althou bosses try this at weak or new ppl
-only exception is if it is a hard role and ur decent at it......not easy to replace.
In general not a good idea for ur boss to have beef with u
Same people that complain about not going anywhere in their career are the same ones unwilling to put in effort.
@@gameonln6077 It definitely is more of a shower thought, especially since I work at a place where both me and my time are respected. But it is a very individual decision where some people are capable of putting up with BS (at least until another opportunity comes along), but others feel capable of standing their ground. Ideally, the more we hold people accountable for wrongdoing, the more workplaces will improve overall, but I know that's not always the case. I just hope that people can get to a mental and financial point where they can speak up for themselves.
But hey, if someone actually got the chance to say that to a bad boss, that would be fun to hear.
@@moosesimpson8625 That's partly true, but some people can't afford to work for free. It's one thing to ASK an employee to do something outside of their job description, and quite another to demand it.
@Amethystar everything at work is a request. It's always a decision. If you decide you can't give a couple minutes or a little extra effort for the benefit of the company or the others employed there then you decide that you can't be trusted to advance in that company, career, or industry. Society and business has a massive collective component. No one deserves anything. Earning your way means giving of yourself. These videos and the people who believe this nonsense are dead-end people that want a participation trophy. Everyone can afford a couple minutes. That statementnis meaningless self-victimizing.
Don't talk like Veronica. Don't explain, just ask for it in writing.
"I'm going to need that in an Email so I can send it to HR"
...
Realistic answer from boss:
No. Either show up early or your fired.
Realistic response to that: attach the email and the the reply to the state labor board. The investigation will then be a formality before massive fines are issued by the state.
As an HR professional… THANK YOU, for threatening to come to us. A good hr would happily have a conversation with the manager’s boss about legal and ethical boundaries. Good bosses know better
Then that boss would make life a hell for the employee.
@@kcnicky2242Which is another issue a good HR team will address.
@@kcnicky2242 they'd have another lawsuit on their hands for retaliation, if the company didn't fire the manager first.
@@kcnicky2242 Depends. Most Managers are spineless and think their title makes them a boss. I was new at a place and the manager took me aside and said that people don't normally take their lunch and just work through it. I told him that I have to take a lunch per state law (Illinois). That manager went to HR himself and gave me an apology. He was the one that ended up getting fired in the end.
OK - good advice, but everyone else needs to remember that HR is there to protect the company, not you. They do not serve your best interests.
That lawsuit is gonna cost the company a lot more than the 15 minutes of pay they should be giving😂
Oh, sure. If your goal is to get fired and then sue. Which has a 0.003% chance of paying your bills. Then go right ahead.
@@captain_context9991 Stop simping for your boss. Tool.
@@captain_context9991 Unemployment for the nice vacation, sue for the damages, get another job. Lmao. This isn't a difficult equation.
@@Venjamin
Yeah. You only hear about the 0.003% of times when it actually works. Corporations have legal departments exactly to prevent this from happening.
The HR department isnt there for you. They exist to protect the company.
@@captain_context9991 For sure! And the easiest way to protect the company is to not let management do dumb shit that will put the company at risk.
I've had so many employers pull this shit....but when I call them out on it and refuse suddenly I'm the one with an "attitude problem"
Precisely.
Love hearing that bs from management "attitude problem" or even more annoying "not a team player" they shut up real quick when I speak to HR lol
Memorial Hermann required that you clock in no sooner than 7 minutes before your start time & no more than 7 minutes past your end time.
@@debbiepeterson3774at least you're paid for your time. Ours let's us clock in 5 minutes early
@@babikatspelman2308 We were not paid for those 14 minutes but if someone asked you to do something it was expected you do it, like set up for a diagnostic exam.
😂🤣😅😂🤣😅😂🤣😅!!! The way she says “Thank you” took me out.
thinkyew
if we are all like Veronica this would be a proper first world country.
Every place will be the same as the DMV.
@@mollyhackman4910Are you implying to be efficient a company needs to steal wages?
@mollyhackman4910 hmm. Yes. Clearly businesses can ONLY survive by stealing their employees time, bullying them, breaking the law, etc. Dont let that happen? DMV.
We would have to all vote pro union if we want a positive change to happen. Without unions we will never have good employee protection
You mean checking the majority European American owned businesses in America?
-COMANCHE NATION
This happens a lot. We had a fast food place that was forcing the young kids to work for free and called it training. Yea, the moms stopped that quickly. The establishment was forced to pay the kids they took advantage of.
Training in fast food company? It only takes 2 days to train someone to do those labor work. They were stealing there labor. They should have sued them.
@@XRocket2009 even with training your supposed to be paid for your time being trained as well
@XRocket2009 two days I loved to know where you worked that Barely covers the sexual harassment training that were forced to take by state law Then you have the food handlers on top of the equipment and then the actual hands on position training I like to know how you got all that done in two days
A fast food restaurant did that when I worked there in school about 30 years ago. I was in and out quickly.
I had my own situation of this once. After beginning a new job, I learned that 15 minutes off the clock was required daily. I worked there until I found a new job, which was 2 weeks later.
I worked at a company that had the same policy. My shift started at 3:00 pm, but I had to start work at 2:45 pm. One day, the manager approached me and he said why I am always late? I said I’m never late, I always clock in at 3:00pm and then he said no , you signed contract and I am bond to start at 2:45pm. I told him the contract doesn’t states that and it was voluntary. He wrote me up a couple times to when they terminated me. Well, I got a lawyer and that’s all I gotta say. 😅 sad because he was fired 2 months later. 😅
it wouldn't of been worth the 2 weeks anyway. i would of just left. idc stick it to greedy people
My 1st year in social work class, it was drilled into us to document, document, document, no matter trivial it might have seemed or request it in writing! Those two directives saved my azz throughout my career! Thanks Ms. Pratt! :)
These are the same people who complain that nobody wants to work anymore.
"You dont want to work for free? Oh my glob. Nobody wants to work anymore!"
No one is saying not to work. They’re saying pay me for the work
@@georgetamunokuro2990Yep. You already aren’t paying me enough to take home 3x the rent on a safe local one-bedroom apartment. You’re assuming I’m receiving some kind of outside help so I can afford to work your crappy job. You don’t get to also not pay me for time I’m working on top of that! 🤷♀️
My previous boss was like this. He would constantly complain "No one wants to work" and "I cant find any qualified candidates".
Meanwhile, he was offering a paltry $35k salary for an IT position that required 15+ years experience. And, since he couldn't hire anyone, those of us currently in the department were forced to work overtime to keep up with the workload, until several of us (myself included) quit due to burnout.
@@nispelsm Let me guess... He also called gen Z spoiled and bratty for not having 15+ years of workexperience 🤣
Whats funny is the boss that does this usually says things like, "were like a family here" but see how mad those bosses get when you ask for a personal day off for any reason other than being sick.
Lol, I was in situation like thus, couldn't take leave, so I utilized sick leave days for my off time
I had a manager call a meeting because me and my coworker “didn’t speak to her” when we passed her on our way to our stations. To be clear, he didn’t see her and when I did I circled back and said and quick hello and got to my spot so I wouldn’t be late. She called a whole meeting with our department over this.
@@browngirlzandra2 I've seen that happen before, my brother works in an office where he and one girl don't get along so he avoided talking to her. His boss called a meeting to discuss his actions and he said all he did was ignore her and get to work and she had a problem with it. Like what kind of job gets mad at you for working and not causing issues?
Honestly this is one of the things I've historically had the *least* problems with. Most places I've worked don't even call it sick days anymore, just PTO, paid time off. I guess someone somewhere realized it didn't much matter *why* you were taking days off, and if you use them up before the end of the year and then get sick later, everyone understands you're not getting paid that day.
Aaaaaaand then her boss watched everything she did, day after day, looking for a way to get rid of her.
Retaliation for whistleblowers is also illegal. I still would send that to HR so I would have documentation and then document any retaliatory activity by the manager. Wrongful termination and harassment are taken very seriously in all 50 states by the labor board.
@@rebekahjimenez2808 that only works if you're hired under certain contract (union or otherwise) conditions. All states except one are Right to Work (aka Right to Fire without cause) unless there's a contract.
btw: the single exception is Montana.
And find herself in a really shitty situation after retaliating. I've been there. I still got the last laugh.
@runningfromabear8354 you are rare. Most don't win unless there is a mound of evidence. But more often I see the employee being let go because of a technicality. The moment you show your intent to take it to HR, watch your back. HR is the for the interest of the company. So yes you fall in the minority that usually doesn't happen. Usually
@eleminoupi5670 that's why everything should be in writing. Period.
I worked for a healthcare company that was so about "don't work off the clock." It was to the point that I couldn't take my lunch break while driving between buildings. You had to be clocked into one building, clock out for lunch, clock back in and then clock out at which your drive time started (which you got paid for). However, they didn't find a single problem with the fact that our schedules for seeing patients started exactly at the time we were supposed to clock in. We were allowed to clock in 6 minutes early but that gave us 6 minutes to get from the time clock to our department on the other side of the building and upstairs, get out our computer/schedule/etc and get logged in then get to the patient's room. There was also no time between patients in our schedule. I guess we were just supposed to twitch our noses and instantly transport ourselves to the next room and twitch our noses again to instantly get the patient ready.
I'm glad I stumbled on these shorts lately, they're painfully relatable.
It's sooo frustrating always seeing people getting bullied, intimidated, and manipulated into unhealthy and unfair work behaviors.
Find therealveronica. That's the original creator who these clips were filched from. I just found that out and made sure to follow her because she's the one who's really sharing this info.
@@Lyricalocal I ended up finding her here www.youtube.com/@customerserviceacademy
And Illegal! Don't forget illegal!😅
Wage theft is the most common but rarely prosecuted crime in the US.
They will face the Judge one day, as will we all. Only those born again by grace, through faith in Jesus Christ will escape God 's just wrath for their sins.
@@ronarprefect7709 eeerhhmm...No they wont. They will get away with it and everybody will just get fucked. So, it´s better to defend yourself one way or the other. If god does exist and somehow he gets them punished that´s a plus.
Income tax is wage theft. If they prosecute that crime too much people might wise up to the racket.
Not only in the US .. Everywhere!
@@hawk4192 So you don't like the military?
Had this issue a few years ago. Ended up getting fired for refusing to come in a half hour early and work without getting paid. Boss said "we wont tolerate you coming in exactly on time every day and clocking in". Needless to say, I was flabbergasted. When I did it again the next day, they let me go. I left with a smile.
And you immediately contacted a lawyer, right?
@FireHazardMan103 No. I didn't like the job anyways and didn't want to deal with the hassle of a lawsuit or lawyers or anything. I thought about it but decided to let it go.
We will not tolerate u doing what u get paid to do and not working for free
@@andrewmarchitto8461 If they were doing it you, they were doing it to other schmucks who may not know how illegal it is. People only get away with what we allow them to do.
Retail used to do this. When i was a student i was sacked for turning up on time. So i went to a group in the uk called ACAS, and they got me unfair dismissal, got paid £4k out if court. 😂
I worked for a multinational corporation that did this but made us stand around for 12 minutes after clocking out under the guise of "doffing and donning" that is cleaning up and changing out of work clothes.
Feds found out about it, and all employees ended up getting a payout of $3500 to compensate.
Did they even get anything out of having you stand around for that extra time, or is it just because they could? Or thought they could, anyway...
I Love it when Justice is ACTUALLY Served.
@Potatoe-f6u Just because they could under the guise of "passing information to the next shift."
Didn't fly with the feds however.
Site ops manager lost his job afterwards.
I worked for a jewelry company in the late 90s. This was back when you actually signed in with a punch card on a machine. My boss allowed us to clock in up to 15 minutes early, and clock out up to 15 late. I can see the first being good encouragement to be working early, and the latter allowed us to finish up jobs at the end of day and not have to redo the setup the next day.
This is the way it should be. Diligent people will routinely get to work a little early to make allowance for the possibility of random small traffic snags. If they're willing to start early, reward them for it. Of course, this is contingent on the people actually, you know, working.
The folks that come in and their first 30 minutes after clocking in, even if only metaphorically by walking in the door, sitting around chatting don't deserve it.
My place of employment actually required us to be in and on the clock 15 minutes prior to our actual start time for a hot minute. Then the realized it was stupid and was causing people with young children a huge amount of headache because their childcare places didn't let them drop their kids off any earlier, so they finally stopped making it mandatory.
I worked in a store and working hours were counted per 30 minutes. So whenever I had to open and close. I clocked in 15 minutes early and out 15 minute late. Or I came just 5 minutes early to open the and the rest of preparation, I would do in opening hours. For 30 minutes we hardly had a customers anyways so time enough...😅 20 minutes before closing we'd often keep just one register open for card pay only, so we could leave faster.
I worked somewhere that did that until they realized every employee got overtime every week because of it
With time some organizations in professional settings even offer longer flexibility. 2 hours shift start to end flexibility and then eventually companies adopted the just get 40 hours minimum a week and decide how you want to set as long as you make company meeting times and good standing… departments in response conduct most meetings between 10 and 3 to allow others their flexibility…
I love that damn, Veronica. She's such a badass. Can't get shit past her. 😂
Pitney Bowes requires you to NOT allocate any time over what your hours say BUT they will dock you if you even are one minite late to work. I'm so glad i left them and never looked back
Joanns tried to do this bs.
No.
If I'm here I'm clocking in. Period. You pay me for ALL my time.
I can vouch for that. My mother in law worked for Joanns.
Exactly. I don't show up to my job because I like being there or because I like basking in the glow of my co-workers, I show up because I have bills to pay. You also don't need to to say thank you to me every time I perform my duties, they pay me for this, I don't do it out of the kindness of my heart. The day I start volunteering to do this job, THEN you can thank me for it.
There have been all kinds of lawsuits about this. Fair labor and standards act says that this is indeed theft
It does not, actually. The FLSA says two things: 1. you get overtime for working over 40 hours in a week, and 2. you have to be paid federal minimum wage. That's it. Bosses are legally free to demand you work extra unpaid time up to 40 hours whenever they insist on it as long as that doesn't take your total pay rate below $7.25 an hour. So: work 35 hours a week for $9 an hour? Sorry, now you work 40 hours a week for $7.88 an hour, we've decided. Oh, and if you complain, you're fired. Absolutely 100 percent legal.
Thankfully most blue states have at least some actual labor laws fit for a modern society, but most red states don't. If you don't like the law as it stands you should elect better state and federal legislators, which in practice means more Democrats.
@@DarklordZagarna Whatever shit your union has been feeding you.. is complete bullshit, btw. Plus.. we were talking about unpaid overtime there big buy.
@@DarklordZagarna If an employer tries to do that to you, file a complaint with the department of Labor. The fines would far outweigh your companies incentive to commit wage theft. I personally received about 3 thousand dollars in back pay from a company i worked for last year after filing. But keep it up keyboard warrior, i'm sure you and Sleepy creepy Joe have it all worked out
@@DarklordZagarna Actually, case law and how it is interpreted says that employees must be compensated at the "agreed wage" which must be at least the minimum wage. Now, the agreed wage can be adjusted at any time in most situations.
An employee who refuses to work for a lesser wage would most often be entitled to unemployment benefits should they refuse compensation at the lesser wage.
It is complicated and nuanced.
@@blazeesq2000 Some state case law says that. Not federal case law. This is all laid out on DOL's website:
www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/compliance-assistance/handy-reference-guide-flsa
"The FLSA does not provide wage payment or collection procedures for an employee’s usual or promised wages or commissions in excess of those required by the FLSA."
I had this wage theft problem while working for an optical store. The store policy was to arrive early and 'set up' before clocking in at the beginning of shift and after lunch.
Worse was the company's policy to sell high-end lenses to customers, but order and install cheaper ones. The customers weren't told or compensated. They couldn't identity or prove that they didn't receive what they paid for without the specialized equipment that an optical store has. It was fraud.
I'd love to see one of these videos tearing down 'sales goals'! 😂
Everythings a double edged sword. Dont complain when you get fired for being 30 seconds late.
I will never understand why upper management thinks these petty tyrants would make good managers.
because upper management is usually no better or has a blind spot towards anything that happens below them. Mid level managers usually get in through social connections(or ass kissing, whichever term you prefer) or because they sought it out when there was a vacancy and they didn't show off any red flags.
@skrubknight884 - my experience with upper management is that they tend to be more nuanced narcissists as opposed to the out-and-out power mad brutes usually found in lower management.
It's because they do this to increase work output on the sly to look good to their superiors in order to get promoted.
The trouble is when the inevitable wage theft lawsuit happens it gets traced back to that manager and they get fired.
Because technically speaking...they do make good managers. They get a ton of free labor out of people. They manage to keep the workers working and low paid.
It's terrible for the employee, but statistically speaking it usually works out great for the company. Especially since those low level managers are barely paid more than the bottom rung grunts.
And if something DOES come up and an employee gets smart about it, upper management gets to say "whoopsie, we didn't realize that, we'll fire them immediately and make changes!" Then they just promote the most desperate, will broken person who falls in line to fill the void and start over again.
They make excellent scapegoats to do their dirty work.
I worked for a company that refused to pay us for “ride time”. I would drive to the warehouse, load up the trucks and prepare sheetmetal for the job then we would ride together in a company truck but we would usually travel over an hour away.
Thats 2 hours per day we were at work but not getting paid. I argued with the boss about it but eventually just ended up quitting because we were already working 10 hr days add in ride time and it was 12 hr days by the time we got back unloaded the trucks and I drove home it was about a 13 hr day and we were forced to do this 6 sometimes 7 days a week.
That’s 10-14 hours unpaid time on the job each week
Check with a union or unemployment agency and sue
Sounds like hvac, yeah fuck that shit.
@@Wowzzow yep HVAC. They were raking in thousands/tens of thousands per job but couldn’t pay out a couple extra dollars a week to the workers
It would be better to just tell the news station. Don't bother telling your boss.
@@ViewAppalachia Same thing here got to shop at 7am didn’t leave until 8am, drive to site and then I’m paid piece rate for a condenser at $90 yeah I was out quickly waste of time getting that gas licence to get into the trade..
My boss did this to me at my summer job when I was 17. She made me feel awful for being on time and not early.
Im petty I would literally not walk in until the exact minute I’m supposed to
Making someone feel terrible is not illegal.
I hate that shit. I will get there when I get there.
😂 Veronica handled that beautifully honestly.😂❤
I clock in a few minutes early and then go do my business. Put up my lunch, go to the bathroom, fix some coffee…..
Clock-in times can be altered if your boss thinks you shouldn't get paid for those first 15 mins before shiftstart
@@emmaothorell They’re not getting paid at that time. A lot of places use Kronos, and you can clock in your start time up to 30 minutes earlier. So if your shift starts at 7, you come in at 6:30, put in 7 at the clock and it registers for 7. It’s like showing you are on the premises. It’s perfectly legal and recommended by management and payroll. Then you start setting up or change into uniforms or just relax before your shift actually starts. That’s your time, not theirs.
its their time if I'm putting on their uniform
I seen people go clock in then go strait to "poop"...
25 minutes later they emerge with an entirely different face.... full of makeup and reeking of perfume and carrying starbucks....then...spending 10 more minutes at their desk setting their stuff up, digging inbtheir purse/texting/ dillydallying and putting lotion on and "rubbing it in" so they conveniently can't touch the phone or the computer or anything else for a "just a few more minutes" which turns out to be about 15 minutes after leaving the desk to go to the water station and make themselves a cup of water with lemon to bring back to their desk that will be placed right next to the starbucks.
@@user-sb2wl8zj7f It’s your time until your shift starts. You don’t get paid until the shift starts. I’ve seen people get in trouble for doing something management asked them to do before or after their shift began and ended.
...and then make sure your shift ends 15 minutes sooner or add 15min to your lunch break...
Remember everybody, HR is there to manage you and the cost you incur to the company, they don't care about you at all.
Correct, and a good HR person will tell the boss whos blatantly saying illegal stuff to drop it, because lawsuits are expensive.
@@unyieldingsarcasm2505 this is the part of it that a lot of people forget.
HR protects the company. But that also means shutting down any possible lawsuits. Wage theft is a bad look and costs more in the longterm than being an honest business, and a good HR rep knows it
Make sure HR puts everything in writing also. They also know that if it's not in writing it didn't happen.
@@Liam-oh2gb Key phrase, "good HR rep."
Doesn’t matter. When it comes to adhering to law they will usually back you up. If you present this evidence to HR and then are fired, you have a mountain of proof it was retaliation for refusing to do something illegal, and employment lawyers will be salivating to take your case lol
i always come 15 minutes early to have a coffee go to the bathroom and set my self up .its more relaxing work environment .
100% agree, I’ve worked an 8-4 job for 20 years and I have not once arrive at my place of business any later than 7. It’s a relaxing way to start my day.
I do too but I punch in early and get paid for it
@@chrishenrion9451 hour early is crazy work
@@chrishenrion9451the majority of people do not donate their time to corporations for free for no reason. If thats what you did well… thats your choice… the rest of us value our time.
Sure but you can't require people to come early. Not everyone is like you wanting to make coffee at work etc.
When I worked in an actual office, I would always try to get in about 20-25 minutes early so I could grab a (free) latte and (free) food from the cafeteria and have breakfast before starting to work.
Having free breakfast is a good way to have people come in a bit early. 😁
Can’t pay ppl in food. Slavery.
I love these little skits, I hope that they even influence people to act the same way. This only helps me to move up faster. Thank you again.
Most bosses phase it “you should be ready to work at 8am”. That abuse is so commonplace that most people don’t even question it.
It's not unreasonable to be ready to work at the start of one's shift.
I'm really sorry - this is actually the consequence of bad work ethic from boomer/genX. You should be working when your shift starts, not taking a newspaper to the toilet for an hour. Like you should call in sick when you're sick, not when you have a hangover and then come to work with whooping cough to spread the joy.
Jobs aren't all the same - you wouldn't be ok with a coffee shop opening at 8am and not starting until 8:15, or a dentist making you wait an hour cuz they're out for lunch.
Being 15min early and grabbing a coffee, so the work actually starts at the beginning of a shift isn't that unreasonable.
As long as you’re paid for that 15 minutes there’s no issue
@@htimsidIf course it is not unreasonable, but the prep time must be paid time. It‘s that simple 😊
@@htimsid Yes, it's not unreasonable. However, turning on the computer, logging into the programs, putting on the mandatory uniform and such ARE part of work. If it's required by your employer, it IS work, even if your employer tells you to eat a sandwitch you brought with you.
Totally just subscribed 😊
I love that these are bringing awareness!!
I had a boss who scheduled me to start at 10a. The earliest I could clock in was 9:53a. Morning huddle started at 9:45a. So I clocked in at 9:53a and walked over to the huddle... the boss asked me why I was late. Fun times.
I'm so glad work from home is a thing now. My boss also says the earliest i can "sign in to the system" is 7min before my shift starts, but since i'm work from home, i literally don't have access to the system until i sign into it, and it's not super fast, and usually takes about 5min or so for all the programs to load, so i couldn't be to a team meeting earlier even if i wanted to, the system won't let me.
Exactly they want you there unpaid and then everyone clock in together at 10 and wait in a line so you start getting paid at 10:05 and god forbid you take a minute longer than 15 for your break
I remember when I moved across the country for a job that actually had a union.
I arrived for the first day fifteen minutes early, because in the south "if you're not early, you're late" is a mantra.
When no one was there I was freaking out, like I had a date wrong or something. Then finely people started showing up. Some directly on time, but most a few minutes late.
That required a whole mental shift for me.
Meanwhile I'm getting in trouble for working two minutes into my break because they're scared I'm going to sue the company. All I want is to finish what I'm working on without stupid interruptions!
I worked for a warehouse that had a union , and they were uneducated and weak
@@Arbidarbcant you just start break a little later? I share the feeling and luckily don't have a set break schedule.
@@TheAnantaSesa It's a few things. My break is sometimes required to end at a specific time because things have a schedule and need to be started at that time. I'm in California and legally lunch has to be taken at or before the 5 hour mark. Or what I'm working on is at the end of the day and I'd rather take a couple minutes of my own time to have things ready to go in the morning than drop it as a mess exactly at quitting time.
@@Arbidarb seems like pre authorized couple minutes of OT would help a lot for the end of day issue. Something needs done for the other example bc if you quit at break also leaving a mess Idk how you can start the new thing as soon as break ends.
Britons used to call it "togging up time". Employers would demand they start work at, say, 8 am. But many jobs required workers to get ready BEFORE they started work ( uniforms, protective gear, etc.) and the employer was NOT paying for the prep time. So workers struck and demanded "togging up" time.
They got it.
I had a manager tell the whole staff of employees that everyone needs to come in 15 minutes early. I pointed out that within one week that would be hours of unpaid labor.
You guys are my new favorite channel lmao!! Love all your videos, I've hit every.single.scenario you've thrown at us bahaha
Yay! Thank you!🙏
These aren’t their videos they steal from other creators
If it's required as part of the job, you're paying me for it. Period.
Setting up is working. Not the productive phase but production is not possible without the set up part, it's related to work by definition.
had a boss like that he would walk the parking lot 15 mins before people had to clock in and nock on windows so I'd always sit out there just to annoy him 😂
No way? He would really do that?
Uh.. that's harassment.
I would’ve sued him so damn quick.
That's entertainment you can't buy 😂
"No I don't have any change"
I had a general manager come out and tell me to work off the clock. I told him to do the override on the time clock to punch me in and I would get right on it. He refused but kept pressuring me to do the work. So I called HR and reported him. I guess HR chewed him out because he came up to me the next day and told me that what he was telling me to do was SOP(standard operating procedure). I looked at him funny and told him, no kidding, because what I did is SOP too!! I then turned and walked away.
He tried to get me fired after that, but because I had reported him, HR defended me every time he tried something. They knew I could sue if they let him fire me.
Smart👍
I love Veronika.
me 2!
Me three - but I want to know if this creator is giving the OG person credit
I remember working a toxic temp job at a fruits processing company at Gresham, Oregon that was like this.
Boss kept on complaining that I couldn't finish the paperwork job on-time after the processing finished (usually after midnight) and they didn't want to pay any overtime.
What this does is force people to clock-out "on-time", but stay on after work hours to finish up all the paperwork and data entry.
They know this, and purposely allow it.
That's over 50 hours of free labor yearly, I thinks DaFukk not.....
Actually it's not, even if she comes 15 minutes early, she starts working at 7, not when she arrives. That 15 minutes Veronika can have for herself at her work place.
@@damirfux2265 If you're required to be there, it's work.
91 hours
I had a boss say the same thing. He was pissed off, red face and all, when i agreed and made it clear that I'd be clocking in 15min early then.
My Taco Bell manager regularly pulled this stuff. Telling us to clock out, but close the store. "Mandatory unpaid cleaning parties".
Fast food restaurants were always the biggest offenders. Until the DOL lawsuits started rolling in the 90's.
I actually got fired from Taco Bell for not attending one of these, despite having a doctor's note that excused my absence for the week. I was 17 and had no idea I had a leg to stand on (1989).
3 words, “class action lawsuit”
"Hello, police? Yeah, I clocked out for the day but my boss won't let me leave. Isn't that unlawful imprisonment or something like that? An officer is on the way? Great." All said while staring the boss down...
Why didn't your parents tell you?@@eileenheath1968
Veronika is my spirit animal 😂 sheeee wilddddd 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I'm happy that people in "normal" jobs try to stand their ground on stuff like this. I worked construction for a very small company in 2020. We were working out of town in Savanah, TN. They wanted you to show up at 6, ride an hour to the jobsite unpaid, work like an absolute dog for $14/hr. and per diem from 7 AM till whenever they felt like leaving which was usually 7-8 PM! They didn't take lunch, they didn't take breaks and they would get mad at you if you went to get water which was always purposely out of reach. We'd work 80 hours one week and then they'd lay us off after a day or two with no pay bc of weather (even though we were promised at least 40 every single week) Don't put up with people's crap. Stand your ground and never be so broke that you can't say no even in a situation like 2020.
You mean you didn’t get paid during your commute!?! How dare it be like every other job
@@royce9018 you don’t understand how traveling being a requirement for only some jobs means employers have to pay you right? Most states if you track your driving time to and from work, you get a tax break.
@@royce9018 I think he meant he commuted to/arrived at work, but then they all drove equipment (trucks, etc) to the jobsite they were working at that day.
@@royce9018 no dingus. We had to show up at 6, bright eyed and bushy tailed. Have a safety meeting, talk ab the plan for the day, get in our crew trucks, hookup trailers, etc. and then drive 45 mins or more away to whatever site we were working on that day. Unpaid labor.
@@fiiorge yes, this.
I dont do shit till i clock in. And when i clock out im done.
☝️ I don't even breathe or speak to anyone until I clock in . Dead serious.
@@SaintFr33wayy - You should probably breathe at least. Bad things happen when you don't. I know, I work in a hospital, and I always insist that people here breathe. It involves a lot of paperwork if they stop.
Im always in the parking lot 10mins early but I will NOT step through the threshold until the clock strikes the time I start. Lol
Lol my current and past job both had clock ins through the phone so I always made sure if I'm even on company property I'm clocked in 😂
Amazon just lost a class lawsuit over this.
Good one
😮and when you're not clocked in, you're not covered by company insurance.
😮 where I live you're insured starting when you leave your home till you get back home (unless you go shopping or whatever in between. Just the direct easy from home to work and back).
@@sammyauscux9529yeah similar to if you visit someone, they have a portion of responsible obligation to ensure you return home safe. I guess it's more to help investigate kidnappings and individual/distinct cases of missing individuals/persons.
Pretty sure if you're on company property, your covered under their insurance.
@@sammyauscux9529 I think the law says you need to help people get home safe if they visit you too.
The way she said “Mmkay? Alright! Okay! Thank yew! Okay, thank yew! Thanks! (Giggles)” was so funny to me 😂
I will laugh into 2025 with this 😂
Veronica just waisted a great lawsuit opportunity by telling ger why she wants an e-mail 😂
Not everyone is looking for an excuse to sue. They simply want their boundaries respected while working their job. I talked to my boss about Overtime when we switched to hourly, because he wouldn't pay overtime unless we charged our customer overtime (and often waited until the overtime payment from the customer was invoiced) and I politely informed him that the law doesn't work that way. He changed it within a month. Sure he was a cheap bastard, but I love the job I have and he simply had to learn he couldn't walk over us.
Veronica. I'm 50. You are spot on. I love you for your content. Your fantastic and the audacity must be checked
Pro-tip: read your employee handbook. It has all the company policies pertaining to you.
Yeah well when your employer has been around for over 100 years serving over 600,000 people, do you know how many bulletins, memos, and references there are? Kind of overwhelming.
@@AZ-cq3us None of that matters. It is your employer's responsibility to make your tasks and responsibilities clear to you. The employee handbook has all the updated policies and responsibilities pertaining to you. You have no idea how many lawsuits have the employee handbook as evidence.
I’ve always wondered how nurses are required to come in at least 15 minutes early, if not 30, to start getting report on their patients but aren’t supposed to clock in until the actual start of shift.
I had this at a previous job, I refused and my manager tried to put me on what he called 'clock watch' which was coming in 30 minutes early to 'prove' that I could come in on time. When I laughed and asked him to send an email to show that I would receive an extra 2.5 hours compensation that week or that I could leave 30 minutes early he looked like his head was going to explode and threatened me with a written warning. I had a lovely chat with his boss and he got bollocked and hated me for the rest of my time there 😂
I enjoy how everyone tells off their boss in their own fantasy world 😂
I walk into work ready to work and since that's not something I do on my personal time, I clock in the moment I walk in.
Thank God I can't get to my office without going through a gate where i can't pass without clocking in 😂
I was a supervisor years ago, we always got together 15 minutes early to chat and drink coffee, it was a option. Until my manager came and said everyone HAD to be 15 minutes early, no pay, set up, no chatting or drinking coffee.
Needles to say, I never followed up on that, and we just went on with our chatting and coffee drinking😊
Iff a new person started, I always said we had coffee before, they where welcome to join, iff not, then they knew their time❤
My team was one of the very rare that never switched and we always stayed, iff one was sick, or had a day off, etc, we always got each other backs 🤷♀️
Always makes me laugh when a manager who is paid on salary thinks it's not their job to turn all of the computers on for 8 am
Exactly what I told a manager before the company got sued and he got fired. Company was so ecstatic they had to reimburse 27 employees 3 years of his "mandatory" policy.
They want us to be at work 30 mins early but we clock in 30 mins early too
Pro tip
Hr isn’t your friend
They are not there to help you
They are there to protect the company
Sometimes the interests align but don't count on it.
Yes call the labor board not HR
@@aleckcain4142 I used to work for the state of illinois, which is an extremely corrupt state. they abused me terribly and i tried to rely on the afscme union to assist me but they were just as corrupt. a hard lesson i learned from that experience is that the only real leverage you have is to leave that employer and find a new one. i always say that there's no such thing as job security, but you CAN have CAREER security. the unfortunate reality is that career progression is bouncing from one employer to the next to swat problems away and advance. you're always going to be abused. just make sure you're getting paid for it handsomely. you want me to come in 15 early? OK, as long as my salary is well above market average. Otherwise, bye, I'm going to a new employer where i'll be abused again but for a much better wage.
Exactly. And HR doesnt want to get fired either. This is like a tutorial for how to get fired.
And protecting the company from a big ole law suit for wage thief would fall into that goal.
Easiest way to find out if the company is asking you to do something illegal is to ask for it in writing. If they're unwilling to leave a paper trail, it's illegal.
I’ll happily go in 15 minutes early……but I’d sit there doing fuck all until my shift officially starts 😂
I'm usually at my job site (I bounce around) half an hour to an hour early but I don't work until my shift starts.
When I managed nurses I expected them to be in the nurses station for hand over when their shift started, but getting their equipment set up & gathering supplies they needed for the shift was part of their job, so done on company time.
I understand the frustration when employees arrive when their shift starts then make some coffee & breakfast, have a little gossip in the kitchen, walks over to someone else’s station to arrange a weekend drinking session, then finally gets to handover half an hour after start time though. That’s not cool, especially if it causes night staff to have to stay back while morning staff get up to speed.
I agree. New Career Nurse having worked 1,000 + overtime hours in 30ys childcare. Happy to arrive 10 ms early to count S8s to ensure timely Handover as get 15m extra morning tea, free paid training & early marks on AM shift. Give & receive.
I've had managers try to pull this stuff me. Being there esrly but not clock in, trying to keep from paying over time by giving comp hours on the next pay period, etc.
Employers always expect this. I'm glad ppl are calling them out.