Relatedly, when they say "we’re a family here!" Dude, my dad beat me with jumper cables and my mom put out lit cigarettes on me, saying we’re family here doesn’t mean to me what it means to you.
"No personal phones at your desk." "Now, in order to log into your computer, you'll need 2FA enabled which will send confirmation to an app you're required to install on your personal device."
Right! I was pissed when we had to install *_Authenticator app_* on my “personal phone” to log into my computer to do _”work duties!”_ …but I found a way around it so now I don’t have to have the app anymore.😌
Now THAT'S the way to handle managers who think they own your life 24/7/365. Or, as I always say, "You rent my time and expertise for eight hours a day. You do not OWN me."
That's when they decide not to renew the contract. A person can only win if they have a signed contract. Most employers don't do contracts anymore. They have at will employment.
@@oldandtiredshouldberetired3436work life balance is a fringe benefit that not all companies understand. Fortunately, my employer does understand that and because I work in defense, I am obligated to charge ALL my time spent working or discussing job related matters. Winning.
@@oldandtiredshouldberetired3436 and that's fine. If they don't want to renew the contract they still won't, even if you kill yourself for the job. And who said anybody takes pleasure in continuing with unserious manager like that?
My current contract states 9-5 M-F. We can discuss a new contract with new hours and compensation if you like. I'll be available to discuss this between the hours of 9-5 M-F.
@@HaloHighlightz If someone is supposed to be available 24/7 and gets a 5 minute call a few times a week, it isn't fair to pay them ONLY the time on the phone. That also means they need to keep track of the phone and also be fit for duty. That shouldn't be free.
I once had a manager call me at 4am about money that came up missing on a shift I wasn't even on. I asked her if she was on meth, as a joke, but she left the company a week later to check into rehab. Turns out she was. TF. 😂
Yea at least veronica admits that after 5, she doesnt value her job enough to care what could be wrong an have the care or drive to simply answer a phone an possibly solve a problem an show value to the manager an company. I mean, how entitled do you have to be to think you are “working” and need “paid” just to answer a phone call smh. Answering what is likely a brief call is not “working after hours” smh, its being a decent person and being someone responsible enough to make sure they have a job to come back to. It shows dedication an reliability. You know who gets promoted? Not the pompous entitled one that sits there tellin me they will continue to ignore calls. Its the one who demonstrates reliability an drive. The one i can count on in a pinch or when an issue presents.
@@abyssabyss7203 . I mean, how entitled do you have to be to think you are “working” and need “paid” just to answer a phone call smh. If you cant figure out what the reason is to be paid for work then you wont understand the answer. It shows dedication an reliability. It shows you are willing to be exploited for free work. The one i can count on in a pinch or when an issue presents. "Be a team player"? That old schtick? I am on my time off, I am not working you are not paying me hence I wont work for free. Work= pay no hence no pay= no work.
@@abyssabyss7203 Oh please! Skip apologizing for thoughtless employers who think they own your time 24/7. I had a part time job with management in a different state. They called me at home 9:30 PM and wanted me to drop by the office on my day off to fax them something they should have known they needed on any of the days I was in the office. We had 3 part time employees. We provided our work schedules for them when they took over management of our office. They just assumed we would drop what we were doing to give them what could have had with a little planning ahead.
Im an ERP administrator and bosses do that very often. They used to do this until i added it on my bill every month. No discussion or whatsoever, there are remarks down on the form to give reason. No need to call
IT, 30+ yrs here. On-call about 50% here as well, but not in past decade plus. I was very well compensated when I was, but NEVER again. Funny thing was, at one job, on-call paid so well, people used to clamor to get MORE, taking over other people's shifts. Best case scenario, it could boost your pay for the week by 40+%, making your sad State government wages actually look decent.
IT as well. I always hated being on call and at one point had one of those fitness trackers that also tracked your sleep. Turns out while on-call I was never getting down into the deeper layers of sleep. No wonder I always felt like crap afterwards. I stopped after that and have refused it since.
The question to ask is this: "Are you requesting that I perform work after hours for no compensation? If so, can you please put that request in witting as it is a modification of my employment agreement?"
@@drozcompany4132Don't talk to HR about it, they'll just find ways to screw you over together with your boss. Instead keep it in writing and do some research, and threaten legal action if they cross a line.
My manager and supervisors: "absolutely no cellphones" Also my manager and supervisors: constantly checking their cellphones answering clearly non work related phone calls, looking at their phones and texting as you are talking to them ...
Double standards burn me up. As a manager i never took personal calls. Especially because as an operations manager i had to have multiple cell’s and i did not want to give the impression to my employees that the rules only applied to them. I always checked/answered an returned calls an such during lunch (i never took breaks either an barely took lunches). I would work through unpaid. Doing work because its the rite thing to do and good for the customer an good for the company that pays your salary is a concept an level of work that seems more an more lost on society especially reading some of these ither comments
@@abyssabyss7203 u sound like the sort of manager I would want to work for. Wouldnt want u taking work related calls off of the clock though u deserve to be payed for that. Work related calls go through our business phone so it just doesnt even seem like they need their phones on them.
@@abyssabyss7203I had a previous job where the boss didn’t want us using our phones while we worked. She even had an issue one day when my phone was in my desk and vibrating because someone was calling me. She asked me about it and I was like “yea, but I didn’t answer it”. Like wtf. And this lady would have all types of personal calls about her kid or dog while she had you sit to speak with her
These 'skits' actually sound like real recordings of real conversations with the same awkwardness and hesitation in the voice of the managers when they are about to say something dumb that even they are aware of is unreasonable XD
@@xandercrew6088and if we all learned from her. No one would get fired. If we all stood up to the BS. Micro managing would dissolve and management would think twice before approaching employees with mundane garbage and REALLY do thier job like managing the company and quit trying to act like Betty or Barney bad @$$ and control everyone.
Depends on the work co tract and salary position. But all that should be clearly laid out in the contract. Also when they say I need you to be a team player throw it in their face. "Sure, and I expect my team to understand and support my ability to spend my down ti.e freely, or compensate me for the extra work not covered in my contract."
@@chiefgully9353 Of course! I have worked a few salaried positions and ended up working 40-60 hours weekly in order to accomplish all of the work. Work that I actually enjoyed fortunately. It’s all about what is agreed upon initially and both sides being reasonable and respectful.
Not if you are a salaried employee… In most states if you are pay the salary, they expect you to work whatever hours they tell you to essentially…. You can obviously remind them that your agreement was 9 to 5 with a 40 hours a week as max work hours… So if you work more than 40 hours a week, you were literally giving yourself a pay cut because you could be working another job making hourly or more salaried money. It kind of sucks …. There needs to be work reform. People who are paid the salary should have to be paid some kind of overtime pay past 40 hours so companies stop making people work more for less money and with no promotion and no and no pay increase in sight. Hourly people get paid overtime as time and a half and double time on holidays … If we did the same thing for salaried employees, may be companies would start thinking about hiring more people instead of working other people to death all the while the corporate heads make millions of dollars in bonuses a year while they flaunt it in front of us
@sickofcrap8992 lol no the exempt status applies to A salaried working making ove x in compensation And a few other specific use cases. Being salaried alone does not exempt you. Likewise their are still laws governing work hours for those employees though usually these are contractually based.
You could have a set rate for phone calls. Say $25 a minute for phone calls after 5pm. That would force the company to decide if they really needed to talk to you on your time off.
It's a thing, for sure. At my work, a call outside of work hours (from a manager asking someone to do work tasks, I mean, not one team member texting another about car pooling or whatever) is treated as the equivalent of coming in for a 3-hour shift, even if the problem is resolved remotely in a few minutes. It's amazing how many problems can wait until the next day.
I like her and everything she says is correct. It’s sad that acting like this will get you fired however. This simply doesn’t work in real life as much as we all wish it did.
My dad said it was because everything went corporate stockholders and most jobs are no longer Union. But there will be the debate and argumentos about the pros and cons of Union.
Funny because it does work like this. Only fear makes you choose otherwise. Basically, you are choosing to be in an abusive relationship. I do not take calls or texts outside of my work hours...period. Been working at the same place for going on nine years. I've been homeless before and I survived. What on earth can an employer do to me? I have no fear of an employer. I fulfill my work agreement and that's it.
❤❤❤ I was salaried only twice and both worked out well considering ❤ was on call 24/7 but they were great ppl to work for. Today I couldn’t see myself doing it again unless the benefits were out of this world.
Best I ever had at this one place (IT) was that if you had a call after hours, on-call or not, it was an automatic 1 hour of OT on your timesheet as soon as you answer. There was also a, legally-required, on-call premium if you were on-call. If you were not on-call then it was 'best effort' which meant I will call you back when and if I want to. And if I do, that's 1 hour OT on my timesheet. Loved the pay, hated being on-call.
I've worked in some offices where this exact conversation led to that employee being fired either immediately or within a few hours. I'm all for knowing your worth but if you don't have a backup plan then lie through your teeth till you're ready to walk out that door.
Knowing your worth is exactly it. If they're willing to fire you over this, sorry to say, but you weren't worth that much to them. Anybody willing to play this card, should be able to gauge the risks..... However, on a bigger picture, this video is not a bad message to send societally. Always gotta try and set higher standards.
They could've sued and been compensated. They could've secured themselves with a documentation of their discussion. Discrimination is the hardest thing for a corporation to protect themselves from
@@quoteme.goddess6957 What illegal discrimination do you see here? Most states are at-will employment, meaning that you are free to quit & they are free to fire you for any legal reason, or for no reason. The only limit is that they can't fire you for an illegal reason.
@@kanderson-oo7us so, just think about what you are saying for a moment. At-Will work states still have rules when it comes to what is or is not a legal reason for firing; discrimination isn't the exclusive territory of that. Ask yourself, do you think firing someone for being unwilling to do unpaid labor for a company would be a legal, or illegal reason for firing someone? Bearing in mind that companies still have to document and catalog specifically why someone is being fired(ex: for unemployment insurance purposes) and if in the course of an investigation it's found that they likely lied about that reason, do you think that has stuff penalties, or doesn't have any at all? 🙃
I had a boss like this once. I told them they own me for 8 hrs a day, I am not obligated to respond beyond that. I don't care what is going on after my shift. So I agree. Pay extra if you want extra. Or expect the bare minimum for paying minimum.
I don't think it's funny because I have had all of these same conversations and been harassed, gaslighted, and layed off with no warning every single time. Right now I am still going through this crap except now I have a union job which just makes the whole back and forth even more petty. Veronica is serious. It's her managers that are the joke.
👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 If they got a union, Veronika need to be head of it and teach classes, because if I could’ve spoken with such grace, I would still have my little job.
I'd like her to say " I have an agreement at work, that we don't have cell phones out due to the nature of what we do. I have an agreement with my family members I don't have my cell phone out at home due to what we do. "
that is a major difference between companies here in the us vs elsewhere. it's like companies here think they own your off time and if you don't answer them you're not a "team player" yet they don't pay you for the time they expect you to give them off the clock.
You mean the generations before gen Z that put up with all the shit they put up with so they could earn a decent living? One that allowed little gen Z'ers to participate in extracurricular sports.. clubs.. etc? One that put food on the table so baby gen Z had something to eat 3 times a day? Previous generations did what was necessary to provide for their family. Stop making this a generational thing and see it for what it is. A rich vs poor.. boss vs employee thing. I don't know anyone in my 55 years on this planet who consciously chose to spend time at work rather than with their family without that choice providing a tangible benefit for their family. Myself... personally... I spent 20 years working myself to exhaustion for employers and family. It took a near death accident to make me realize that NO ONE in my life at the time valued ME for anything more than what they could get from me... so I quit them all.... and started working for myself. I was not put on this earth "for the benefit of others".
I once went to an interview for a job that wanted entire control of our phone. Training was a month and during the 1st week of training they asked us for our phones because they were going to install a monitor app (It was basically malware that let the company control your phone) pretty much half of the people training noped out right there, and I was part of the other half which stayed only to get paid for the full 4 weeks of training. All of us were outside of HR handing in notices on the day after the last class of training. I still heard an HR intern say "omg, I do not understand why we have 98% turnover rate and people do not last more than 4 months here". After that I just deleted everything from my phone and reinstalled the other apps.
I've had the same very solid stand on this for the past 7 years. No on call, and when i was hourly, I stated any call would be billed at a minimum of 1 hour of time. Now that I'm salary, I've just ignored it. Also glad I work on a team now that all feels the same way and never bothers me.
😅 yes! I made them get me a phone, I don’t answer when I’m driving and I don’t answer after 5pm . Period end of story. I’m salaried, so it’s a fine line before you making less than you would hourly if you let them take advantage of you. Loving this channel! Update: boss tried to by pass my work phone not answering while driving by having a co worker call me on my personal cell. Same answer, I’m driving home, can’t this wait till tomorrow morning??! It did wait 😝
That’s right!!! And until we have some reform in the workplace with how salaried employees are paid for time beyond 40 hours a week, Weekends, and holidays… we have to be the Frontline for our own sanity
On- Call pay is a thing. If a company needs access to employees after hours, then they're "on- Call" and there's an expected pay for that availability. Usually not full hourly pay for that, but you should be also paid if you're actually contacted and required to do any work related things.
Any employer that uses the phase "team player" or " we are a family" is a red flag and will be told "Not my circus, not my monkeys" . I only work the hours that I get paid for its the entire purpose of my continued employment. I definitely wouldn't work if I was independently rich. Dont know a single person that would.
@@1ofakindgirl444 usually, when i've seen people challenge management like this , they either are now ineligible for promotion and/or one day they are just no longer with the company. Could be a week, could be a few months.
Veronica is my inspiration- unapologetically direct! She knows what she wants. She clearly articulates without becoming aggressive or using foul language. She casually outsmarts management with their own employee requests and policies each and every time! Veronica you are my shero!❤
@@rapidloving Yes, you can fire someone for not being willing to work outside biz hours. OR you can fire them for no official reason at all (but everyone knows why). It's called "at will employment"
My boss called me once on a Sunday during family time and I was already a bit tipsy. He asked me where is x and y (can't remember exactly what he needed) and I asked him back "are you ok?" He seemed confused and kept asking and again I answered "I'm with my family, are you ok? Are you ok?" He then said I see you tomorrow and hung up. I guess my tone of voice was a bit pissed off. He never bothered me after that in my off time again 😂
Ex-freaking-actly.. Worked for a place that was just like this. No phones in the shop floor but they sure got pissy when you didn’t answer at 1 A.M. when they wanted you to come in to work on some B.S. “emergency” job. I had my number changed and when pestered about what the new number was, told them it was 200-5000. No, that’s not my phone number, that’s how much I expect to be added to my check every week for the privilege of them having it.
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Employer trying to pretend an hourly employee is on call 24/7... good for Veronika standing up to that. "How can we fix this?" 1. Wait until I'm at work. 2. Pay me to be on call.
I had a manager that got pissed that I don't share my cellphone number to clients. I told him I would need a company cell phone, I don't share that with clients. end of story, end of him bitching, at least on that.
I had middle management ask me to stay behind after quit time. I did that person's job after the Sun went down, and they went home and left me to do their job. The next day I made sure that her gig never arose again.
The company I worked for did the same exact thing to me but with a cell phone and a laptop. I told them I did not need the cell phone or laptop at home. They threatened to fire me if I did not take them. So I did. When I got home after working 10 hours I just turned them off. I ended up leaving the company a year later.
"How do we fix this?" I really expected her to say something about being more organized from 9-5 so that time sensitive problems don't come up after 5 in the first place.
We got almost the EXACT talks at work. But then they decided for THEIR benefit, everyone had to get a cellphone at our own expense. So we could be "on call" 24/7. But not be paid for being on call. And don't ever shut it off either. Ummmmm NO!
"How do we fix this?" It's easy - set up an on-call schedule, with monetary compensation. Or, if you simply can't pay me that money, give me comp time equal to whatever time I spent doing work during my off-hours.
When I was an employer my experience was the opposite. I allowed my staff to take calls or texts if needed, but asked that they remember the context that we were on a site and had to get things done. I did find some people were annoyed when I called after hours to ask them a question, but the people who got annoyed were still taking advantage of being able to communicate with their family at work.
I worked for the sewer department of a city for many years and when they had after hours emergencies, they had a difficult time calling people in. The solution: they paid them to be on call and they were compensated whether they were called in or not. You can't ask people to be on standby and not enjoy their off time, families, etc., "just in case". And you can't have sewer running down the street because no one is answering their phone. They paid them. That did it.
Hell yea!!! Companies today think that just because we live and work where we are all able to be connected 24\7 that they can demand 24/7 service from their employees.
I solved that problem by having 2 cell phones. One for personal and one that I labeled as my work phone. The work phone number was the one listed on all my company employee information forms. However, that phone was also turned off at the end of the workday, on my days off, and on weekends. It was never answered off hours and went straight to voice mail.
I got accused of not being a team player at work because I didn't want to take kart in a fitness challenge at work and do the following: give up chocolate and junk food for an entire month, spend my lunch break walking and trying to walk 10,000 steps per day etc. To put this in perspective - my husband and I have been trying to get a small farm started. In the process of doing that we have been reclaiming and clearing family land that used to be farmland 50 plus years ago. We have laying hens, fruit trees, berries, and crops we plant. Everyone at work knew this and knew that when I got done in the office I went home , changed into farm clothes and worked for several more hours. The last thing I wanted to do was add even MORE physical activity to my day. Best part - it was VOLUNTARY to take kart in the fitness challenge but I was made to feel like crap and told to my face I wasn't a team player because I did not wish to participate. Even after explaining why. One of my CO workers even said she couldn't imagine how farming was a better workout than going to a gym.😂 Yeah
Wow, where are you working? I’ve seen most scenarios in the videos this channel produces. Granted, that’s almost 40 years of work experience, but I’ve seen many employers pull this crap.
I'm one HELL of a team player. I've stayed over 3 hours late to fix cars and bail stranded motorists out of jams. I've crawled under cars in standing water in the parking lot. I ain't doing it for free.
That’s why places try to get away with paying you salary so they don’t think they have a non working time. Ridiculous!!! Pay me for after hours if you want after business hours .
The one that gets me is “my contract says…” but so many jobs I know don’t include a set start and end time in a contract, nor a guaranteed number of working hours. Specifically because companies don’t want you to do this.
I was a manager that didnt get a company phone. So...yeah..i never answered my phone after work hours either. Then the VP told me to answer my phone beacuse this job pays for it. I said..No sir my wife bought this phone and its on her plan. The look on His face was priceless. I got written up alot after that for dumb stuff 😂😅
The "being a teamplayer" bs always annoys me. We're not a "team". I'm your scapegoat when shit hits the fan and once I've become replaceable you will do so. There's no team here.
I feel like everything changes when you start seeing things like this as an OFFER which you are free to kindly refuse to take, just like Veronica does. „No thanks.“
I've had a couple of jobs like this. I told them, my cellphone is none of their business. I have it in case someone needs to contact me, and their opinions and policies are not more important than my family. And I NEVER answered the company's calls outside of work hours, so they started calling me from private numbers. Which I explained does not change that, unless I'm being paid, they are not entitled to my time.
My previous company had an app that we could see our work emails on our PERSONAL PHONE...my older coworker 62 and I 58 did not down load it...because we said the same thing...I am not paid be on call 24/7/365 my hours are from 8:30 -4:30...anything after 4:30 will be handled the next business and when on vacation I am ON VACATION AND I AM NOT TO DISTURBED I am spending with family/friends...working to long for companies BS!
I am so SICK of employers saying you’re not being a team player. That’s a form of gaslighting
Yup
"I'm not a team player, this is not a game, I am contracted and this is not the discord group of one of my HOBBIES. "
Relatedly, when they say "we’re a family here!"
Dude, my dad beat me with jumper cables and my mom put out lit cigarettes on me, saying we’re family here doesn’t mean to me what it means to you.
It's gaslighting and an insult to our intelligence.
Any job I ever worked as a team player, it was the employers who were out of step with the team.
@ScienceReasonLove
I've worked jobs for actual families. They were all a dysfunctional family business.
"No personal phones at your desk."
"Now, in order to log into your computer, you'll need 2FA enabled which will send confirmation to an app you're required to install on your personal device."
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Yesss! I had that at a job once. People balked at it but I didn’t see the big deal but now I do. It’s an invasion of my personal space!
I absolutely hate this!
Right! I was pissed when we had to install *_Authenticator app_* on my “personal phone” to log into my computer to do _”work duties!”_ …but I found a way around it so now I don’t have to have the app anymore.😌
Now THAT'S the way to handle managers who think they own your life 24/7/365. Or, as I always say, "You rent my time and expertise for eight hours a day. You do not OWN me."
That's when they decide not to renew the contract. A person can only win if they have a signed contract. Most employers don't do contracts anymore. They have at will employment.
@@oldandtiredshouldberetired3436work life balance is a fringe benefit that not all companies understand.
Fortunately, my employer does understand that and because I work in defense, I am obligated to charge ALL my time spent working or discussing job related matters.
Winning.
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Absolutely 💯🔥
@@oldandtiredshouldberetired3436 and that's fine.
If they don't want to renew the contract they still won't, even if you kill yourself for the job. And who said anybody takes pleasure in continuing with unserious manager like that?
“I’m sure it makes sense to someone”
that’s deadly
That’s my favorite response out of the whole skit 😂
I about hollered
Vile retort
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Her manager voice is so spot on that it actually makes me a little angry when I hear it.
Ugh, doesn’t it just give off the boss b*tch vibes? My skin started to crawl when she started to talk
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I am so triggered!! Lol
So quickly just to be clear I just wanted to check in with you about that and see what ...😅😅😅😅
She actually triggers my PTSD 😵💫
"How do we fix this?"
"I already fixed it. I told you I'm not available."
My current contract states 9-5 M-F. We can discuss a new contract with new hours and compensation if you like. I'll be available to discuss this between the hours of 9-5 M-F.
@@PrototypeNumber5x'D 9-5 motha (fill in blank)
Another work around could be that they can pay for the amount of time on the phone 😇
@@HaloHighlightz If someone is supposed to be available 24/7 and gets a 5 minute call a few times a week, it isn't fair to pay them ONLY the time on the phone. That also means they need to keep track of the phone and also be fit for duty. That shouldn't be free.
@@Moosetick2002 just count half an hour per out of office call.
In some European countries, managers would be in big trouble if caught contacting employees in their free time. I hope this becomes universal someday.
In Germany the company would get fined into oblivion
America is not that advanced.
I have been contacted by my boss at night
@@pamelamlstell him that is disturbing your sleep & you have to work in the morning 😂😭
I hope it becomes universal right away.
I once had a manager call me at 4am about money that came up missing on a shift I wasn't even on. I asked her if she was on meth, as a joke, but she left the company a week later to check into rehab. Turns out she was. TF. 😂
That's awesome as you really touched that nerve.🤣🤣🤣🤣
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I'm a team player at the office during business hours. At home, on my time, my team is my family and I'm a player on _that_ team. Period.
This!
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I’ve said this for decades. I am a team player. We just don’t have t the same definition of team.
"We need you to be a team player" = we want you to work unpaid after hours = NO
Lol, Veronica´s response: I AM a team player... from 9 to 5.
Yea at least veronica admits that after 5, she doesnt value her job enough to care what could be wrong an have the care or drive to simply answer a phone an possibly solve a problem an show value to the manager an company. I mean, how entitled do you have to be to think you are “working” and need “paid” just to answer a phone call smh. Answering what is likely a brief call is not “working after hours” smh, its being a decent person and being someone responsible enough to make sure they have a job to come back to. It shows dedication an reliability. You know who gets promoted? Not the pompous entitled one that sits there tellin me they will continue to ignore calls. Its the one who demonstrates reliability an drive. The one i can count on in a pinch or when an issue presents.
@@abyssabyss7203
. I mean, how entitled do you have to be to think you are “working” and need “paid” just to answer a phone call smh.
If you cant figure out what the reason is to be paid for work then you wont understand the answer.
It shows dedication an reliability.
It shows you are willing to be exploited for free work.
The one i can count on in a pinch or when an issue presents.
"Be a team player"? That old schtick? I am on my time off, I am not working you are not paying me hence I wont work for free.
Work= pay no hence no pay= no work.
@@abyssabyss7203
Oh please! Skip apologizing for thoughtless employers who think they own your time 24/7. I had a part time job with management in a different state. They called me at home 9:30 PM and wanted me to drop by the office on my day off to fax them something they should have known they needed on any of the days I was in the office. We had 3 part time employees. We provided our work schedules for them when they took over management of our office. They just assumed we would drop what we were doing to give them what could have had with a little planning ahead.
@@abyssabyss7203 CEO of Dewey, Screum, and Howe hs entered the comments.
You nailed this exactly. I worked in IT and on call half the time for 20 years. Employers are exactly this manipulative and intellectually dishonest.
Yes, they are.
Im an ERP administrator and bosses do that very often. They used to do this until i added it on my bill every month. No discussion or whatsoever, there are remarks down on the form to give reason. No need to call
🎉Now, once back at her desk, Veronika sends her an email recap of this convo😏 VERBATIM! MY SHERO.😂
IT, 30+ yrs here. On-call about 50% here as well, but not in past decade plus. I was very well compensated when I was, but NEVER again.
Funny thing was, at one job, on-call paid so well, people used to clamor to get MORE, taking over other people's shifts. Best case scenario, it could boost your pay for the week by 40+%, making your sad State government wages actually look decent.
IT as well. I always hated being on call and at one point had one of those fitness trackers that also tracked your sleep.
Turns out while on-call I was never getting down into the deeper layers of sleep. No wonder I always felt like crap afterwards.
I stopped after that and have refused it since.
The question to ask is this: "Are you requesting that I perform work after hours for no compensation? If so, can you please put that request in witting as it is a modification of my employment agreement?"
Yah, let's go talk to HR and see how they feel about working for slave wages. Unless this is Wal-Mart then they don't care.
They get around it by saying, "Occasional nights and weekends"
@@drozcompany4132Don't talk to HR about it, they'll just find ways to screw you over together with your boss. Instead keep it in writing and do some research, and threaten legal action if they cross a line.
@@drozcompany4132pointless. HR DOES NOT exist to protect YOU from the company. HR exists to protect the company from YOU... HR is NOT your friend.
My manager and supervisors: "absolutely no cellphones"
Also my manager and supervisors: constantly checking their cellphones answering clearly non work related phone calls, looking at their phones and texting as you are talking to them ...
Double standards burn me up. As a manager i never took personal calls. Especially because as an operations manager i had to have multiple cell’s and i did not want to give the impression to my employees that the rules only applied to them. I always checked/answered an returned calls an such during lunch (i never took breaks either an barely took lunches). I would work through unpaid. Doing work because its the rite thing to do and good for the customer an good for the company that pays your salary is a concept an level of work that seems more an more lost on society especially reading some of these ither comments
@@abyssabyss7203 u sound like the sort of manager I would want to work for. Wouldnt want u taking work related calls off of the clock though u deserve to be payed for that. Work related calls go through our business phone so it just doesnt even seem like they need their phones on them.
@@abyssabyss7203I had a previous job where the boss didn’t want us using our phones while we worked. She even had an issue one day when my phone was in my desk and vibrating because someone was calling me. She asked me about it and I was like “yea, but I didn’t answer it”. Like wtf. And this lady would have all types of personal calls about her kid or dog while she had you sit to speak with her
@@abyssabyss7203 Do your employees get to call you at home to solve home related problems for free?
#Hypocrites
These 'skits' actually sound like real recordings of real conversations with the same awkwardness and hesitation in the voice of the managers when they are about to say something dumb that even they are aware of is unreasonable XD
Managers at this level are toady's to the managers above them.
The only difference is the manager not losing their shit at the brutal honesty 😂
"I am a team player from 9-5 Monday to Friday"...
And that's the end of that...😅😂😅😂😅😂
I literally laughed out loud at that one 😂
I needed a Veronica at my job.
😂🤣
Be veronica.
She got fired lol -- they all get fired. Veronica’s don’t last more than a few sassy lip moments IF that
We need a Veronica workshop or in service.
@@xandercrew6088and if we all learned from her. No one would get fired. If we all stood up to the BS. Micro managing would dissolve and management would think twice before approaching employees with mundane garbage and REALLY do thier job like managing the company and quit trying to act like Betty or Barney bad @$$ and control everyone.
“I’m sure it makes sense to someone!” 😂 Again…Veronica makes another valid point. You are hired to work X hours daily. Not X + Y. 😘
Exactly!!
Depends on the work co tract and salary position.
But all that should be clearly laid out in the contract.
Also when they say I need you to be a team player throw it in their face.
"Sure, and I expect my team to understand and support my ability to spend my down ti.e freely, or compensate me for the extra work not covered in my contract."
Yes❤
@@chiefgully9353 Of course! I have worked a few salaried positions and ended up working 40-60 hours weekly in order to accomplish all of the work. Work that I actually enjoyed fortunately. It’s all about what is agreed upon initially and both sides being reasonable and respectful.
Exactly,Exactly!!!!!!😂
California is passing a law like this soon ish. 😆 if I am off the clock, don’t contact me unless you pay me. 💰
Unacceptable! It creeps in slowly with just one call
You give an inch, they take a mile
Veronica said it best. Anything after work hours and they still call you the company has to pay you. I do believe it’s wage theft if they don’t.
Not if you are a salaried employee…
In most states if you are pay the salary, they expect you to work whatever hours they tell you to essentially….
You can obviously remind them that your agreement was 9 to 5 with a 40 hours a week as max work hours…
So if you work more than 40 hours a week, you were literally giving yourself a pay cut because you could be working another job making hourly or more salaried money.
It kind of sucks …. There needs to be work reform.
People who are paid the salary should have to be paid some kind of overtime pay past 40 hours so companies stop making people work more for less money and with no promotion and no and no pay increase in sight.
Hourly people get paid overtime as time and a half and double time on holidays …
If we did the same thing for salaried employees, may be companies would start thinking about hiring more people instead of working other people to death all the while the corporate heads make millions of dollars in bonuses a year while they flaunt it in front of us
Only if you are salary AND overtime-exempt.
If you are just salary, you are still entitled to overtime pay.
@@Entertainment-is6exNot according to the NLRB.
@sickofcrap8992 lol no the exempt status applies to
A salaried working making ove x in compensation
And a few other specific use cases.
Being salaried alone does not exempt you. Likewise their are still laws governing work hours for those employees though usually these are contractually based.
They have to provide the phone and pay the bill if they expect you to be on call.
You could have a set rate for phone calls. Say $25 a minute for phone calls after 5pm. That would force the company to decide if they really needed to talk to you on your time off.
It's a thing, for sure. At my work, a call outside of work hours (from a manager asking someone to do work tasks, I mean, not one team member texting another about car pooling or whatever) is treated as the equivalent of coming in for a 3-hour shift, even if the problem is resolved remotely in a few minutes. It's amazing how many problems can wait until the next day.
I like her and everything she says is correct. It’s sad that acting like this will get you fired however. This simply doesn’t work in real life as much as we all wish it did.
My dad said it was because everything went corporate stockholders and most jobs are no longer Union.
But there will be the debate and argumentos about the pros and cons of Union.
Just got to be good at what you do
Solution : union
@@samdumaquis2033 💕
Funny because it does work like this. Only fear makes you choose otherwise. Basically, you are choosing to be in an abusive relationship. I do not take calls or texts outside of my work hours...period. Been working at the same place for going on nine years. I've been homeless before and I survived. What on earth can an employer do to me? I have no fear of an employer. I fulfill my work agreement and that's it.
Really grateful to be hourly instead of salaried, for this exact reason. If I stay even one minute past closing, I get paid for that minute.
❤❤❤
I was salaried only twice and both worked out well considering ❤ was on call 24/7 but they were great ppl to work for.
Today I couldn’t see myself doing it again unless the benefits were out of this world.
Depends on the salaried position
Same here, brotha. Once their money is on the line their quick to get you the fuck outta their after your hours are finished.
I'm salaried, and I get OT. It's the law. My salary contract is for 40 hours. Anything over 40 hours is OT. Ijs
Best I ever had at this one place (IT) was that if you had a call after hours, on-call or not, it was an automatic 1 hour of OT on your timesheet as soon as you answer.
There was also a, legally-required, on-call premium if you were on-call.
If you were not on-call then it was 'best effort' which meant I will call you back when and if I want to. And if I do, that's 1 hour OT on my timesheet.
Loved the pay, hated being on-call.
You know people died protesting working more than 8 hours a day? You give that up to be a "team player," you're spitting on their graves.
We think my great grandfather was killed for labor activism in early 20th century Boston.
Don’t do that then they have your DNA 🧬
I've worked in some offices where this exact conversation led to that employee being fired either immediately or within a few hours. I'm all for knowing your worth but if you don't have a backup plan then lie through your teeth till you're ready to walk out that door.
Knowing your worth is exactly it. If they're willing to fire you over this, sorry to say, but you weren't worth that much to them. Anybody willing to play this card, should be able to gauge the risks..... However, on a bigger picture, this video is not a bad message to send societally. Always gotta try and set higher standards.
They could've sued and been compensated. They could've secured themselves with a documentation of their discussion. Discrimination is the hardest thing for a corporation to protect themselves from
@@quoteme.goddess6957 What illegal discrimination do you see here? Most states are at-will employment, meaning that you are free to quit & they are free to fire you for any legal reason, or for no reason. The only limit is that they can't fire you for an illegal reason.
@@kanderson-oo7us so, just think about what you are saying for a moment. At-Will work states still have rules when it comes to what is or is not a legal reason for firing; discrimination isn't the exclusive territory of that.
Ask yourself, do you think firing someone for being unwilling to do unpaid labor for a company would be a legal, or illegal reason for firing someone?
Bearing in mind that companies still have to document and catalog specifically why someone is being fired(ex: for unemployment insurance purposes) and if in the course of an investigation it's found that they likely lied about that reason, do you think that has stuff penalties, or doesn't have any at all? 🙃
Do you need to see the contract?? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
They don't like it when you talk down to them the way they talk down to you.
Being an employee is always a one way street. Companies take as much as possible without giving anything.
The audacity of these companies that really believe this is ok
I had a boss like this once. I told them they own me for 8 hrs a day, I am not obligated to respond beyond that. I don't care what is going on after my shift. So I agree. Pay extra if you want extra. Or expect the bare minimum for paying minimum.
😂😂😂 I am dying EVERY TIME I watch these! 😅🤣
I don't think it's funny because I have had all of these same conversations and been harassed, gaslighted, and layed off with no warning every single time.
Right now I am still going through this crap except now I have a union job which just makes the whole back and forth even more petty.
Veronica is serious. It's her managers that are the joke.
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If they got a union, Veronika need to be head of it and teach classes, because if I could’ve spoken with such grace, I would still have my little job.
unions suck. Its cronyism
Most of us have been there.😢😢
If you have to do conversations like this at a job its not worth keeping. Just find a new one.
Where has this been all my work life?
I'd like her to say " I have an agreement at work, that we don't have cell phones out due to the nature of what we do. I have an agreement with my family members I don't have my cell phone out at home due to what we do. "
that is a major difference between companies here in the us vs elsewhere. it's like companies here think they own your off time and if you don't answer them you're not a "team player" yet they don't pay you for the time they expect you to give them off the clock.
It's not only US
I hear South Korea and Japan is horrible with work hours and expectations.
While this isn't a great thing, it's far worse in some countries.
This gives me hope that Gen Z is not going to lie down and be run over like the generations before.
You mean the generations before gen Z that put up with all the shit they put up with so they could earn a decent living? One that allowed little gen Z'ers to participate in extracurricular sports.. clubs.. etc? One that put food on the table so baby gen Z had something to eat 3 times a day?
Previous generations did what was necessary to provide for their family.
Stop making this a generational thing and see it for what it is. A rich vs poor.. boss vs employee thing.
I don't know anyone in my 55 years on this planet who consciously chose to spend time at work rather than with their family without that choice providing a tangible benefit for their family.
Myself... personally... I spent 20 years working myself to exhaustion for employers and family. It took a near death accident to make me realize that NO ONE in my life at the time valued ME for anything more than what they could get from me... so I quit them all.... and started working for myself.
I was not put on this earth "for the benefit of others".
Mannnnn, I want to be Veronica when I grow up! 😂
I once went to an interview for a job that wanted entire control of our phone. Training was a month and during the 1st week of training they asked us for our phones because they were going to install a monitor app (It was basically malware that let the company control your phone) pretty much half of the people training noped out right there, and I was part of the other half which stayed only to get paid for the full 4 weeks of training. All of us were outside of HR handing in notices on the day after the last class of training. I still heard an HR intern say "omg, I do not understand why we have 98% turnover rate and people do not last more than 4 months here". After that I just deleted everything from my phone and reinstalled the other apps.
Is that even legal?
At that point just give you all a work phone it be cheaper lol
That’s right, Veronica! Know the laws, policies, and maintain healthy boundaries. 🙌🏾
I've had the same very solid stand on this for the past 7 years. No on call, and when i was hourly, I stated any call would be billed at a minimum of 1 hour of time. Now that I'm salary, I've just ignored it.
Also glad I work on a team now that all feels the same way and never bothers me.
😅 yes! I made them get me a phone, I don’t answer when I’m driving and I don’t answer after 5pm . Period end of story. I’m salaried, so it’s a fine line before you making less than you would hourly if you let them take advantage of you. Loving this channel!
Update: boss tried to by pass my work phone not answering while driving by having a co worker call me on my personal cell. Same answer, I’m driving home, can’t this wait till tomorrow morning??!
It did wait 😝
That’s right!!!
And until we have some reform in the workplace with how salaried employees are paid for time beyond 40 hours a week, Weekends, and holidays… we have to be the Frontline for our own sanity
Slavery was also "being a team player" i dont work for free whats your point 😂 LOVE these animations
😂😂😂😂. Veronica sets them straight ALL the time.
On- Call pay is a thing. If a company needs access to employees after hours, then they're "on- Call" and there's an expected pay for that availability. Usually not full hourly pay for that, but you should be also paid if you're actually contacted and required to do any work related things.
"So, how do we fix this."
I don't see anything broken here to "fix" - the employee is doing everything that the contract requires of her and no more.
I always say the same thing. I don't work for free. They can say whatever they want. I just repeat it. Work ends when I leave.
Any employer that uses the phase "team player" or " we are a family" is a red flag and will be told "Not my circus, not my monkeys" . I only work the hours that I get paid for its the entire purpose of my continued employment.
I definitely wouldn't work if I was independently rich. Dont know a single person that would.
And we all know where this goes next. And it won’t take long either.
meaning........?
@@1ofakindgirl444 usually, when i've seen people challenge management like this
, they either are now ineligible for promotion and/or one day they are just no longer with the company. Could be a week, could be a few months.
Veronica is my inspiration- unapologetically direct! She knows what she wants. She clearly articulates without becoming aggressive or using foul language. She casually outsmarts management with their own employee requests and policies each and every time! Veronica you are my shero!❤
The sad reality is they’ll find a way to replace Veronica.
Every Veronica I've ever met already had another job lined up. It's called being the boss of your own life.
People with boundaries like Veronica are also usually very very good at their job...which is why they never just out right fire her after a clap back
I mean, you can't fire someone for not wanting to work for free on their free time, no matter how you think about it.
@@rapidloving Yes, you can fire someone for not being willing to work outside biz hours. OR you can fire them for no official reason at all (but everyone knows why). It's called "at will employment"
@@tunisiancrochetchannelor don't NEED to work
My boss called me once on a Sunday during family time and I was already a bit tipsy. He asked me where is x and y (can't remember exactly what he needed) and I asked him back "are you ok?"
He seemed confused and kept asking and again I answered "I'm with my family, are you ok? Are you ok?"
He then said I see you tomorrow and hung up.
I guess my tone of voice was a bit pissed off. He never bothered me after that in my off time again 😂
Ex-freaking-actly.. Worked for a place that was just like this. No phones in the shop floor but they sure got pissy when you didn’t answer at 1 A.M. when they wanted you to come in to work on some B.S. “emergency” job. I had my number changed and when pestered about what the new number was, told them it was 200-5000. No, that’s not my phone number, that’s how much I expect to be added to my check every week for the privilege of them having it.
File a lawsuit if it gets worse 😂
Tell them they’ll here from your lawyer 😂
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@@jackseve pedantic of, relating to, or being a pedant
a pedantic teacher
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a pedantic insistence that we follow the rules exactly
Far worse, he was pedantic, pernickety, letting nothing inaccurate or of uncertain meaning go by-not an aphrodisiac quality.
-Kingsley Amis
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Pedantic song choices don't help any. Only 2 out of 10 songs stray from the most common classic-rock fodder.
since we offering definitions willy-nilly to people who didn't ask for them.
@@deedrole5296*persnickety 😂
She has no grounds for a lawsuit, though. And unless this is a union job, they're free to fire her.
Employer trying to pretend an hourly employee is on call 24/7... good for Veronika standing up to that.
"How can we fix this?"
1. Wait until I'm at work.
2. Pay me to be on call.
I had a manager that got pissed that I don't share my cellphone number to clients. I told him I would need a company cell phone, I don't share that with clients. end of story, end of him bitching, at least on that.
I had middle management ask me to stay behind after quit time. I did that person's job after the Sun went down, and they went home and left me to do their job. The next day I made sure that her gig never arose again.
The company I worked for did the same exact thing to me but with a cell phone and a laptop. I told them I did not need the cell phone or laptop at home. They threatened to fire me if I did not take them. So I did. When I got home after working 10 hours I just turned them off. I ended up leaving the company a year later.
I stumbled across this a few days ago and I'm already hooked. 😂.
Veronica, my soul mate 😅 Veronica Veronica Veronica 😅
I wanna thank the person who invented Veronika. These skits have helped me so much at my job
Veronica stays locked and loaded! 😂
"How do we fix this?" I really expected her to say something about being more organized from 9-5 so that time sensitive problems don't come up after 5 in the first place.
We got almost the EXACT talks at work. But then they decided for THEIR benefit, everyone had to get a cellphone at our own expense. So we could be "on call" 24/7. But not be paid for being on call. And don't ever shut it off either. Ummmmm NO!
It’s like salaried managers always conveniently forget they’re talking to hourly employees 😂
"How do we fix this?" It's easy - set up an on-call schedule, with monetary compensation. Or, if you simply can't pay me that money, give me comp time equal to whatever time I spent doing work during my off-hours.
Veronika's videos are HILARIOUS!! 😂🤣😅🤣😂🤣😅😂
Veronica is my hero. I wish I had that much strength and could stand up for myself.
When I was an employer my experience was the opposite. I allowed my staff to take calls or texts if needed, but asked that they remember the context that we were on a site and had to get things done. I did find some people were annoyed when I called after hours to ask them a question, but the people who got annoyed were still taking advantage of being able to communicate with their family at work.
I worked for the sewer department of a city for many years and when they had after hours emergencies, they had a difficult time calling people in. The solution: they paid them to be on call and they were compensated whether they were called in or not. You can't ask people to be on standby and not enjoy their off time, families, etc., "just in case". And you can't have sewer running down the street because no one is answering their phone. They paid them. That did it.
The calmness gets me EVERYTIME😂😂
Way to go Veronica!
I'm hooked on Veronica 😂😂😂😂❤
I’ve had this conversation multiple times and refuse to answer at home. And work life balance is what I cited.
Sorry to hear people going through this. I've never had this problem.
We are like a family here, also you are forbidden from contacting your family.
Hell yea!!! Companies today think that just because we live and work where we are all able to be connected 24\7 that they can demand 24/7 service from their employees.
She's my spirit animal!!! I love her!
Absolutely!!! I love Veronica!!!
☠☠☠☠ did you need to see the contract 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I solved that problem by having 2 cell phones. One for personal and one that I labeled as my work phone. The work phone number was the one listed on all my company employee information forms. However, that phone was also turned off at the end of the workday, on my days off, and on weekends. It was never answered off hours and went straight to voice mail.
I got accused of not being a team player at work because I didn't want to take kart in a fitness challenge at work and do the following: give up chocolate and junk food for an entire month, spend my lunch break walking and trying to walk 10,000 steps per day etc.
To put this in perspective - my husband and I have been trying to get a small farm started. In the process of doing that we have been reclaiming and clearing family land that used to be farmland 50 plus years ago. We have laying hens, fruit trees, berries, and crops we plant.
Everyone at work knew this and knew that when I got done in the office I went home , changed into farm clothes and worked for several more hours.
The last thing I wanted to do was add even MORE physical activity to my day.
Best part - it was VOLUNTARY to take kart in the fitness challenge but I was made to feel like crap and told to my face I wasn't a team player because I did not wish to participate. Even after explaining why.
One of my CO workers even said she couldn't imagine how farming was a better workout than going to a gym.😂
Yeah
These videos are so sad. I can’t imagine working somewhere where I was treated like this.
Wow, where are you working? I’ve seen most scenarios in the videos this channel produces. Granted, that’s almost 40 years of work experience, but I’ve seen many employers pull this crap.
That’s the way they can ride the system!
I'm one HELL of a team player. I've stayed over 3 hours late to fix cars and bail stranded motorists out of jams. I've crawled under cars in standing water in the parking lot.
I ain't doing it for free.
Companies are always looking for ways to sneak in extra work outside of work agreements. Veronica is the best. LOL
I love how being a team player doesn’t extend to management ever
That’s why places try to get away with paying you salary so they don’t think they have a non working time. Ridiculous!!! Pay me for after hours if you want after business hours .
The one that gets me is “my contract says…” but so many jobs I know don’t include a set start and end time in a contract, nor a guaranteed number of working hours.
Specifically because companies don’t want you to do this.
Going forward, "I'm sure it makes sense to someone" will be my future default response.
Veronica is awesome 👏
🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎤🎤🎤 wish I had done this sooner in my life.
I was a manager that didnt get a company phone. So...yeah..i never answered my phone after work hours either. Then the VP told me to answer my phone beacuse this job pays for it. I said..No sir my wife bought this phone and its on her plan. The look on His face was priceless. I got written up alot after that for dumb stuff 😂😅
I remember a supervisor telling me "there is no "I" in TEAM. My response went over like a lead balloon: "There's a ME in team" 😂😂😂
My response to that is usually there is a U in a word that starts with C and ends with unt.
@@tonycrayford3893 🤣🤣🤣
Again i say, if you do that kind of talking to an at will employer, then they'll let you go because"it wasnt a good fit".
The "being a teamplayer" bs always annoys me. We're not a "team". I'm your scapegoat when shit hits the fan and once I've become replaceable you will do so. There's no team here.
I feel like everything changes when you start seeing things like this as an OFFER which you are free to kindly refuse to take, just like Veronica does. „No thanks.“
I've had a couple of jobs like this.
I told them, my cellphone is none of their business. I have it in case someone needs to contact me, and their opinions and policies are not more important than my family.
And I NEVER answered the company's calls outside of work hours, so they started calling me from private numbers. Which I explained does not change that, unless I'm being paid, they are not entitled to my time.
My previous company had an app that we could see our work emails on our PERSONAL PHONE...my older coworker 62 and I 58 did not down load it...because we said the same thing...I am not paid be on call 24/7/365 my hours are from 8:30 -4:30...anything after 4:30 will be handled the next business and when on vacation I am ON VACATION AND I AM NOT TO DISTURBED I am spending with family/friends...working to long for companies BS!
😂..."Umm..I'm sure it makes sense to someone!"
Veronica is like the type of employees companies wanna avoid the most.
Worker will be assigned tasks outside of theur job description. Just love seeing that in a contract