Links to the Upgrade/replacement parts for the g1 seekers: cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/transformers-g1-seeker-upgrade-set cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/transformers-g1-seeker-parts
That whole thing about the rear thrusters and the overhang was quite interesting. It would have been cool to see railroad rolling stock as transformable bases of some sort. As if they become make shift semi building blocks.
11:28 The siege blaster feels like more of a reference to the silly length of the original and not the shape. (Because all the accessories combine together.) It is cooler in my opinion to have a slew of different weapons/guns combine into a giant death canon than to just have a detailed hunk of plastic. Gives it more playability.
Astrotrain is actually my first vintage G1 Decepticon, all he was missing was most of his stickers, (except for the Decepticon symbols). In the 3-or-so years since I found at the Rouge Toys in Oregon, he has taken some more damage than he already had, such a stress marks on the leading wheels after I dropped him on the concrete driveway, a pin holding one of the purple leg flaps periodically slides out, a crack in his left shoulder, and one of the tabs that held his thruster-cab in alt modes breaking off. But twelve-year-old me loved him then and fifteen-year-old me loves him now. :)
6:22 Siege Astrotrain isn't perfect, but it's our best non-MP Astrotrain we have ever gotten. The weapons plug into the back half of shuttle mode and make it look a lot better.
3:00 in actuality, MP 52 Starscream was licensed by Boeing, making it an official F-15 vehicle mode. Given that this video was made 2 years ago, you probably figured that out long before I said so.
2:06 Something weird that the animation model for Astrotrain does is it depicts him as having central, double-sided cylinders; that is, the cylinders are set in the middle of the driving wheels, and pistons extend from either side of them, powering 4 driving wheels each. (1:34; if you go back and watch any of the shots depicting Astrotrain moving in train mode, you'll see that the piston rods move up and down at the ends, but stay at the same level in the middle, where the vertical purple piece is, indicating it's the cylinder.) Of course, this is pretty much impossible in the real world, and no such steam locomotive exists. It's pretty much because the character model artists confused that big hinge on the original toy between the front and back driving wheels as the cylinder. Interestingly, the Siege/Earthrise Astrotrain toy kinda homages this by having cylinders in the front *and* in the middle (as indicated by how there's multiple sets of piston rods, with the back set sorta just ending in the middle of the train mode). This seemingly implies that the Siege/Earthrise toy is a weird, non-existent, 2-4-4-2 locomotive. Now, none of this really matters in the whole D51/D62 discussion. It's just something I noticed, and have always found interesting as yet another weird animation error that originates from the G1 cartoon.
2-4-4-2s did exist, but they were never all that practical. If I had to guess, I'd say the Siege/Earthrise designers just took random design ques from a variety of locomotives from a number of eras.
@@barelymediocrestudios9404 True, yeah, 2-4-4-2s did exist; I meant more that whatever specific 2-4-4-2 locomotive that Astrotrain is doesn't exist. Also, agree with the second point, there are so many greebly details on that toy that are just "Oh yeah, that's train stuff, right? Pipes and what not?"
I wish the G1 cartoon depicted Astrotrain as a similar size class to Skyfire. It would have been fitting as Skyfire was basically capable of troop transport as well.
I was able to get my hands on a 100% complete vintage Thundercracker for a very decent price and I find the original G1 seeker mold to be nearly flawless.
OK that season 1-season 2 seeker bit highlighted something so bizarre: G1 Starscream and ER Starscream have vehicle modes which are about the same size but at the same time, G1 Starscream's robot mode is about the size of a Classics seeker
Siege Astrotrain's *combined* gun is more or less the equivalent of the BFG of previous iterations of Astrotrain. It's his schtick, similar to Blitzwing's phallic lookin' sword. (Though Animated Blitzwing seems to not include it)
I recently found a complete g2 Starscream for like 50 bucks, one of the pegs from a back wings is broken though. Was really surprised at how big this plane is
Apperently Mp-52 Starscream is licensed (according to tfw2005 members) and the reason the toys look so different from the show is because the artist only got small blurry images or what the g1 characters were supposed to look like.
Just a note... the train mode actually DOESN'T need to be purple. There's actually a repaint of the figure in more real world colors that doesn't use the purple at all. Rather there are parts on the shuttle mode that appear in train mode but since NASA shuttles tend to be while and black anyway the black parts of the shuttle just blend into the train. It's a rather genius color change between modes and I love that version of the figure. I wish I had picked it up when I had the chance but the weird robot mode kind of turned me off at the time. The more I look at the figure though it's actually one of my favorite triple changers of that era, especially when its done in the more real world colors.
Astrotrain never skipped out on arm day at the gym and boy oh boy does it ever show!!! Look at those huge, glistening, biceps! Those long, strong, forearm muscles all the way down to the fingers. Man, he's a friggin' tank! And I bet it's barely an effort for him to touch his toes
The Starscream looks like a KO for me. They don't have the pre-applied stickers on the top of the intake. To look better in jet mode, I sanded the wings connectors a little bit, and now the wings are more integrated in jet mode.
I wonder what the original Diaclone designers think about what's been done to their creations in recent years... 12:24 - Head goes up, head goes down. Head goes up, head goes down. Head goes up, head goes down.
Hahahaha As for the diaclone designers, i wonder if when designing if they were just expecting it to be the in thing for a while and then move on like everything else, then 40 years later, here we are still talking about them. Must be surreal
Crap! Starscream is missing his blue fists. One thing I hated about G1 transformers. That had removable fists that where super easy to lose especially trailbreaker they where spring loaded and always got lost. Great review though I try to never miss a video.
The cockpit detail becoming a part of the helmet on Starscream is something that really intrigues me. The position of the nose cone on the back is something I’m glad they improved on. I think the nose being parallel to the torso looks better. I’m not as bothered by the nose cone as I am the wings. I am so glad the animation model had them much higher up. I think they look a bit weird that low.
Had to rewatch this video as hasbro revealed a reissue of the star scream mold for skywarp and I preordered it because of how I love the og toys I have bumblebee and had prime all I really want now is jazz as that’s my favorite mold besides prime
Gonna be completely honest, I never had much of a problem with G1 Astrotrain's toy. I mean those arms, THOSE ARMS, they were fine. I didn't care for them much. They were just kinda... ...THERE for me. I did give it to my cousin's son and he seems to like it a lot.
You can tell a reissue on the markings if it has a blank oval before 1984 its a reissue a original will have 1974-1984 i was taken for a reissue g1 preceptor. Thank the lord i only needed it for parts,love the vids i also am a train enthusiast
I have one of these two. Astrotrain. Very reasonable to acquire a good conditioned one complete. Starscream......nightmare. Have not gotten a hold of him. But got the other two seekers with him a couple weeks ago. Actually like Skywarp a lot better (Color scheme)
@@zilvertron i knew behind the scenes the designer said an F15 would never be these colours, thus the realistic green, i just don't remember seeing any sprt of licensing on the box
Are these the original toys of Starscream and Astrotrain from the 80s or are these reissues? Been thinking of getting back into collecting Transformers recently and Astrotrain seems like a good place to start.
How do those stop motion intro/outros keep looking cleaner and cleaner? Is he tweaking them beyond perfection or am I just appreciating more frames each time?
They're HO Scale (1:87, not 1:64) and i went out and bought the vehicle modes and painted them in their various schemes (or in this case, a guy named Robert Dahne did the stunticons for me)
who wouldn't subscribe I mean how many transformers reviewers do stopmosion most of the time they know what veical it is and if they see it fit custom 3d print and paint the figures seriously who wouldn't sub- ps Lazy Eyebrow I know that your probably not going to see this comment but thanks for the amazing videos my nephew mars past away October 27th one day before he would have turned 6 mouths old thank you for helping me though this hard time
@@TheLazyEyebrow i respectfully disagree at least on the shuttle mode, sure siege is clunky but theres something about g1 astrotrains shuttle that feels almost unfinished imo
@@JohnDoe-wl5xm i personally am unsure how you see siege and don't think that about the shuttle, especially the more to the rear you look, but hey, whatever's keeping you going
I never realized how weird Starscream was, I always viewed it as one of the better G1 figures. And Astrotrain! What?! When did that look so weird? I love the way these look, they have some charm, they were never ment to be perfect. But its so bizarre to see where everything came from.
Links to the Upgrade/replacement parts for the g1 seekers:
cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/transformers-g1-seeker-upgrade-set
cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/transformers-g1-seeker-parts
I believe that early toy photos reveal that Astrotrain's arms were originally intended to extend.
He and blitzwing were also originally Intended to be larger toys as well.
I claim Rev. Awdry Percy/Henry logic: Astrotrain is some sort of hybrid experimental class. XD
Thats a good idea
That whole thing about the rear thrusters and the overhang was quite interesting. It would have been cool to see railroad rolling stock as transformable bases of some sort. As if they become make shift semi building blocks.
That would've been awesome
11:28 The siege blaster feels like more of a reference to the silly length of the original and not the shape. (Because all the accessories combine together.) It is cooler in my opinion to have a slew of different weapons/guns combine into a giant death canon than to just have a detailed hunk of plastic. Gives it more playability.
Astrotrain is actually my first vintage G1 Decepticon, all he was missing was most of his stickers, (except for the Decepticon symbols). In the 3-or-so years since I found at the Rouge Toys in Oregon, he has taken some more damage than he already had, such a stress marks on the leading wheels after I dropped him on the concrete driveway, a pin holding one of the purple leg flaps periodically slides out, a crack in his left shoulder, and one of the tabs that held his thruster-cab in alt modes breaking off. But twelve-year-old me loved him then and fifteen-year-old me loves him now. :)
6:22
Siege Astrotrain isn't perfect, but it's our best non-MP Astrotrain we have ever gotten.
The weapons plug into the back half of shuttle mode and make it look a lot better.
3:00 in actuality, MP 52 Starscream was licensed by Boeing, making it an official F-15 vehicle mode. Given that this video was made 2 years ago, you probably figured that out long before I said so.
I hadn't actually. That's kinda neat
2:06
Something weird that the animation model for Astrotrain does is it depicts him as having central, double-sided cylinders; that is, the cylinders are set in the middle of the driving wheels, and pistons extend from either side of them, powering 4 driving wheels each. (1:34; if you go back and watch any of the shots depicting Astrotrain moving in train mode, you'll see that the piston rods move up and down at the ends, but stay at the same level in the middle, where the vertical purple piece is, indicating it's the cylinder.) Of course, this is pretty much impossible in the real world, and no such steam locomotive exists. It's pretty much because the character model artists confused that big hinge on the original toy between the front and back driving wheels as the cylinder. Interestingly, the Siege/Earthrise Astrotrain toy kinda homages this by having cylinders in the front *and* in the middle (as indicated by how there's multiple sets of piston rods, with the back set sorta just ending in the middle of the train mode). This seemingly implies that the Siege/Earthrise toy is a weird, non-existent, 2-4-4-2 locomotive.
Now, none of this really matters in the whole D51/D62 discussion. It's just something I noticed, and have always found interesting as yet another weird animation error that originates from the G1 cartoon.
2-4-4-2s did exist, but they were never all that practical. If I had to guess, I'd say the Siege/Earthrise designers just took random design ques from a variety of locomotives from a number of eras.
@@barelymediocrestudios9404 True, yeah, 2-4-4-2s did exist; I meant more that whatever specific 2-4-4-2 locomotive that Astrotrain is doesn't exist. Also, agree with the second point, there are so many greebly details on that toy that are just "Oh yeah, that's train stuff, right? Pipes and what not?"
I think the idea of the 2-4-4-0 config in the show was super silly, made me laugh every time I saw it rolling around all clunky like
Ypu can actually get starscream's wings behind the tail fins to make the figure look a little better. Just spin them back first
Platinum edition astrotrain and blitzwing were my first experience of G1 so I'm quite nostalgic for this version of astrotrain
I wish the G1 cartoon depicted Astrotrain as a similar size class to Skyfire. It would have been fitting as Skyfire was basically capable of troop transport as well.
I was able to get my hands on a 100% complete vintage Thundercracker for a very decent price and I find the original G1 seeker mold to be nearly flawless.
I was playing around with siege starscream today. He pushes all of my HAPPY buttons
OK that season 1-season 2 seeker bit highlighted something so bizarre:
G1 Starscream and ER Starscream have vehicle modes which are about the same size
but at the same time, G1 Starscream's robot mode is about the size of a Classics seeker
Starscream's alt mode is why I love the f-15 eagle, besides the beautiful design
This is quite a throwback.
I love how Starscream's Arms work in transformation clever use of engineering (Minus the parts-forming hands which i dont mind)
Siege Astrotrain's *combined* gun is more or less the equivalent of the BFG of previous iterations of Astrotrain. It's his schtick, similar to Blitzwing's phallic lookin' sword. (Though Animated Blitzwing seems to not include it)
That is the cleanest G1 Starscream I've ever seen.
awesome to see this series continued!
Great review!
There’s a botcon color accurate exclusive G1 Astrotrain I’d kill for.
I recently found a complete g2 Starscream for like 50 bucks, one of the pegs from a back wings is broken though. Was really surprised at how big this plane is
The stop motion is good. But, it was the “1, 2, 1, 2” gag that earned my thumbs up! :)
i still remember Cinemasacres vid on transforming g1 toys and they did starscream and his head kept coming ubdone and megatron… oh god XD
7:56 I really really love that stop motion film you did
Apperently Mp-52 Starscream is licensed (according to tfw2005 members) and the reason the toys look so different from the show is because the artist only got small blurry images or what the g1 characters were supposed to look like.
Nope, diaclone figures way before transformers existed
@@zilvertron diaclone was from Japan, the g1 show was created in America. Nobody knew what diaclone was in America back then.
3:00 MP-52 Starscream was actually licensed by Boeing , making it I believe the first Masterpiece figure licensed by that company.
Just a note... the train mode actually DOESN'T need to be purple. There's actually a repaint of the figure in more real world colors that doesn't use the purple at all. Rather there are parts on the shuttle mode that appear in train mode but since NASA shuttles tend to be while and black anyway the black parts of the shuttle just blend into the train. It's a rather genius color change between modes and I love that version of the figure. I wish I had picked it up when I had the chance but the weird robot mode kind of turned me off at the time. The more I look at the figure though it's actually one of my favorite triple changers of that era, especially when its done in the more real world colors.
Loving these diet reviews, also it's nice to see the bot that started it all make another appearance on the channel
G2 Astrotrain Review 001 - June 28, 9 years ago. It's all coming together.
I may not have one, but I've seen and highly recommend TFC-STC-01A.
The MP-52 IS licensed because on the bottom of the box it says it is licensed by Boeing.
To be honest, Astrotrain kinda looks cute to me with those tiny arms. Anyways, great review!
Astrotrain never skipped out on arm day at the gym and boy oh boy does it ever show!!! Look at those huge, glistening, biceps! Those long, strong, forearm muscles all the way down to the fingers. Man, he's a friggin' tank! And I bet it's barely an effort for him to touch his toes
imagine your downstairs neighborhood has transformers as well 😍
I have never clicked on a video faster on my life
Thanks for the shout out! Great review as always, makes me regret passing up on the Astrotrain reissue when I had the chance :/
"WHAT? PARTS-FORMING? WORST TOY EVER!!"
The Starscream looks like a KO for me. They don't have the pre-applied stickers on the top of the intake. To look better in jet mode, I sanded the wings connectors a little bit, and now the wings are more integrated in jet mode.
I wonder what the original Diaclone designers think about what's been done to their creations in recent years...
12:24 - Head goes up, head goes down. Head goes up, head goes down. Head goes up, head goes down.
Hahahaha
As for the diaclone designers, i wonder if when designing if they were just expecting it to be the in thing for a while and then move on like everything else, then 40 years later, here we are still talking about them. Must be surreal
Love it! Such good animation! How about some Animated or TF PRIME?
Ok. I am subscribing primarily because of the random 0:57 insert made me chuckle ha
Well done indeed!!!!
Awesome review
I still love that Classics CHUG Seeker mold.
Crap! Starscream is missing his blue fists. One thing I hated about G1 transformers. That had removable fists that where super easy to lose especially trailbreaker they where spring loaded and always got lost. Great review though I try to never miss a video.
You ever going to do skylynx?
The cockpit detail becoming a part of the helmet on Starscream is something that really intrigues me. The position of the nose cone on the back is something I’m glad they improved on. I think the nose being parallel to the torso looks better.
I’m not as bothered by the nose cone as I am the wings. I am so glad the animation model had them much higher up. I think they look a bit weird that low.
Had to rewatch this video as hasbro revealed a reissue of the star scream mold for skywarp and I preordered it because of how I love the og toys I have bumblebee and had prime all I really want now is jazz as that’s my favorite mold besides prime
Gonna be completely honest, I never had much of a problem with G1 Astrotrain's toy. I mean those arms, THOSE ARMS, they were fine. I didn't care for them much. They were just kinda... ...THERE for me. I did give it to my cousin's son and he seems to like it a lot.
You can tell a reissue on the markings if it has a blank oval before 1984 its a reissue a original will have 1974-1984 i was taken for a reissue g1 preceptor. Thank the lord i only needed it for parts,love the vids i also am a train enthusiast
Fun as always!
He's an F -15E in Earthrise. So the canopy makes sense.
Funny that I got an ad on the shows commercial part
I have one of these two. Astrotrain. Very reasonable to acquire a good conditioned one complete.
Starscream......nightmare. Have not gotten a hold of him. But got the other two seekers with him a couple weeks ago. Actually like Skywarp a lot better (Color scheme)
Hello lazy! Your an awesome transformers youtuber so thank you for that and you should do more g1 models. I would LOVE a g1 megatron!
Well, if i ever come into possession of one, I'll let you know
@@TheLazyEyebrow alright man good luck on your channel.
I wonder if there will be a time that a toy can do "Mass-shifting" like in the G1 cartoon series
it’s called CHUG
Animated lockdown.
Answer: Astrotrain, Jazz, Thundercracker, Brawn.
Good stuff
I was just wondering where a new video was earlier funnily enough
I'm pretty sure the first MP WAS licensed, I vaguely remember them making a deal of it
Huh. Wonder why the box was silent about it
@@TheLazyEyebrow Thats why first MP03 was released in green
@@zilvertron i knew behind the scenes the designer said an F15 would never be these colours, thus the realistic green, i just don't remember seeing any sprt of licensing on the box
Are these the original toys of Starscream and Astrotrain from the 80s or are these reissues? Been thinking of getting back into collecting Transformers recently and Astrotrain seems like a good place to start.
Ayyyy! a new video!
How do those stop motion intro/outros keep looking cleaner and cleaner? Is he tweaking them beyond perfection or am I just appreciating more frames each time?
eeeeehhhh a little of column A...a little of column B
Please diet review bumblebee with bug bit please.
Well.. if starscream has red eyes that don't require stickers.. and hands with a bottom tab.. hes a reissue..
Can we get this man to 40k before 2022
Holy cow! Last time i looked I was at 37! 😲
We need to get you more subscribers so we can more videos out of you! Plain and simple man.
>Cuts to sponsor
>Gets an ad for Tampons
WELL ALRIGHTY THEN!
@5:41 WHERE DID YOU GET DIE CAST HOTWHEELS OF THE STUNTICONS????
They're HO Scale (1:87, not 1:64) and i went out and bought the vehicle modes and painted them in their various schemes (or in this case, a guy named Robert Dahne did the stunticons for me)
I have a Dirge with all OG parts.
Yay me.
who wouldn't subscribe I mean how many transformers reviewers do stopmosion most of the time they know what veical it is and if they see it fit custom 3d print and paint the figures seriously who wouldn't sub- ps Lazy Eyebrow I know that your probably not going to see this comment but thanks for the amazing videos my nephew mars past away October 27th one day before he would have turned 6 mouths old thank you for helping me though this hard time
Aw man, I'm so sorry to hear that 😔
I'm just glad for the time I got to spend with my nephew
what was that website you got those cheap transformers again?
0:33 Oh dear god.. he’s fallen victim the the analytic virus! Run for your lives!
today's my birthday
Hope you have a great birthday!!
After all, there was no ground spec Astrotrain and hound.
Can we get a link to Maverick's kits, please?
Crud,i knew i was forgetting something
cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/transformers-g1-seeker-upgrade-set
cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/transformers-g1-seeker-parts
lazy eyebrow, I am subscribed to you in 2 accounts and I forgot to subscribe with this one. So I guess your pre vid nagging was usseful.
Lol
@@TheLazyEyebrow lol indeed
You mean you can transform g1 starscream without taking it apart I suddenly hate this toy less now
12:48 Astrotrain is blursed with a bust
Never owned a starscream huh. I only have 13
Where's the timestamp?
Sounds like your on a DIET!
8:48 to skip transformion
siege astrotrain looks better than the g1 in literally every way idk what youre on about
In robot and in colours, absolutely. I think G1 has better vehicle modes
@@TheLazyEyebrow i respectfully disagree at least on the shuttle mode, sure siege is clunky but theres something about g1 astrotrains shuttle that feels almost unfinished imo
@@JohnDoe-wl5xm i personally am unsure how you see siege and don't think that about the shuttle, especially the more to the rear you look, but hey, whatever's keeping you going
Starscream looks like a reissue.
Buuuuuut I dunno.
I never realized how weird Starscream was, I always viewed it as one of the better G1 figures. And Astrotrain! What?! When did that look so weird?
I love the way these look, they have some charm, they were never ment to be perfect. But its so bizarre to see where everything came from.
I will be real tomorrow
#teamseas
The fact that there was no "Thomas and the Jet Engine" reference left me feelin' kinda empty lol
8th view! I got 8th view!
Can you please stop saying eunuch lacerations
That's quite a way to mis-hear Uni-Classi-erations.
@@KRBrickBot that's what it sounds like
Now I'm going to start saying it more often because that just sounds funny
@@TheLazyEyebrow it sounds awful
I have a g1 reissue for astrotrain but he is stickerless cause all the stickers ripped off instead of peeling