Why would Astrotrain need to jettison weight while in space?

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  • @cruizerdave
    @cruizerdave 5 років тому +551

    It was Unicron. He was using his gravity powers to pull Astrotrain off course. Unicron was manipulating events so that he could create some minions to go after the Matrix.

    • @RodimusPrimal
      @RodimusPrimal  5 років тому +127

      Oh yes! I like that theory!

    • @shebakoby
      @shebakoby 5 років тому +62

      considering how close Unicron was to Cybertron, that is most certainly the case.

    • @Kssav
      @Kssav 5 років тому +24

      Very possible

    • @joslyncarter4813
      @joslyncarter4813 5 років тому +11

      Not that's very plausible.

    • @apex2000
      @apex2000 5 років тому +18

      @@RodimusPrimal explains his lurching.

  • @suanfitrioneljack27
    @suanfitrioneljack27 5 років тому +260

    I think that Astrotrain was just tired and injured. If we take into consideration that he fought in the battle, was injured and later had to transport all the deception troops back to Cybertron, well, you can understand why he needed less charge. Also, as you said before, the deceptions believed in the survival of the strongest, so he didn't thought that it would be a big deal to sacrifice the injured in his own benefit

    • @toyoscio
      @toyoscio 5 років тому +7

      I don't recall Astrotrain fighting in the battle.

    • @suanfitrioneljack27
      @suanfitrioneljack27 5 років тому +21

      @@toyoscio well, we could assume that he did it. I don't think that Megatron would've let him stay standing doing nothing

    • @Combaticon
      @Combaticon 5 років тому +19

      @@toyoscio Astrotrain can be seen for a split-second moment during the scene with all the Decepticons attacking Autobot City (about when Skywarp enters the picture), but before Blaster sends his mayday to Optimus.

    • @toyoscio
      @toyoscio 5 років тому +3

      @@suanfitrioneljack27 Lol true

    • @toyoscio
      @toyoscio 5 років тому +3

      @@Combaticon Thanks

  • @Traph
    @Traph 2 роки тому +32

    There's a theory (That I personally believe.) that Astrotrain was in kahoots with Starscream, he just said that he needed to lose some weight so that Starscream had an opportunity to become the new leader, this is proven because Astrotrain is the one placing Starscream's crown on his head. This is even more plausible because the Triple Changers have a reputation for being traitorous.

  • @Kssav
    @Kssav 5 років тому +392

    To get rid of your favorite characters

    • @crustypaladin
      @crustypaladin 5 років тому +7

      So true

    • @yanmatos8161
      @yanmatos8161 5 років тому +29

      Cause let's be honest we would have preferred keeping Thundercracker instead of Scourge

    • @Kssav
      @Kssav 5 років тому +16

      @@yanmatos8161 yeah scourge's beard triggers my PTSD for transformers energon

    • @yanmatos8161
      @yanmatos8161 5 років тому +2

      The Gaming Rex lol

    • @joelbaldwin4051
      @joelbaldwin4051 5 років тому +2

      Most of my favorite Transforers weren't introduced until the movie/ Season 3.

  • @michaelclickard6264
    @michaelclickard6264 5 років тому +401

    Actually, the TF Wiki states this and I quote:
    "flight through zero-gravity space, should not have needed to "jettison some weight" in the literal sense. However, since the ejected Decepticons quickly fall behind Astrotrain instead of floating alongside him, he must still have been accelerating and thus would have needed to burn a greater amount of fuel in order to push a larger payload. Perhaps he should have said "jettison some mass", but then again, just being a spaceship doesn't make him a rocket scientist."
    Besides, it's not really an error.

    • @RodimusPrimal
      @RodimusPrimal  5 років тому +62

      In a sense he was already giving off some rocket burn so he did accelerate past them as they were tossed out. You're right that its not really an error if one were to say mass, so we can chalk it up to Astrotrain not being as smart as he makes himself out to be.

    • @michaelclickard6264
      @michaelclickard6264 5 років тому +8

      @@RodimusPrimal Yep.

    • @bagsikdangal
      @bagsikdangal 5 років тому +33

      The scene would've been funnier if he actually said _Jettison some "deadweights"_ since this is him adding insult to injury upon treating the near dead Decepticons as expendible bots😂

    • @michaelclickard6264
      @michaelclickard6264 5 років тому +10

      @@bagsikdangal Well, it wasn't funny, but I can see where you're going with this.

    • @joelbaldwin4051
      @joelbaldwin4051 5 років тому +2

      Impressive.

  • @leviosdraekion6993
    @leviosdraekion6993 5 років тому +65

    While weight really doesn't exist in the vaccuum of space mass does. And the more mass something has the more energy is needed to accelerate it. And let us not forget that they did just participate in a huge battle.

    • @alanguages
      @alanguages 5 років тому +8

      I agree 100%. People have to realise Astrotrain did not fly from Cybertron to Earth, when they used the Autobots ship initially. It is expected Astrotrain already used energy in the Autobot City battle, and to fly from Earth to Cybertron takes a lot of energy, which the Decepticons did not expect. It was more likely after finding out the Autobots headed to Earth in the beginning, that the Decepticons travelled not to far from Cybertron and lay in wait to ambush the Autobot shuttle, thus they were not detected. I doubt they were in Astrotrain, before they did the ambush, since they could have just abandoned their own shuttle and use the Autobots instead and the rest is history.

    • @Toon_Lucario
      @Toon_Lucario 3 роки тому +3

      And since he mass shifts then he may have had to jettison them so the device wouldn’t malfunction

    • @Mr.BMC2763
      @Mr.BMC2763 2 роки тому +1

      But if there is NO gravity... What energy are you using? It's not like he was gonna drop out of the sky? No atmosphere in front of him to slow him down. He could've shut his engines off a drifted at his speed! He wasn't going to slow down!

    • @wyrmofvt
      @wyrmofvt Рік тому +1

      @@Mr.BMC2763 Cybertron is not a static target. It's moving on it's own orbit, and if you want to make it to Cybertron, you need to be going at the correct velocity so you arrive at a point at the same time Cybertron does. If you don't, when you get to that point, Cybertron will be long gone, and if you don't have the fuel reserves to make it to Cybertron at that point, you almost certainly don't have the fuel reserves to chase Cybertron down.

  • @christopherperez5545
    @christopherperez5545 5 років тому +87

    I always thought astrotrain was working with starscream. Astrotrain is holding the crown

    • @sean.a.s7234
      @sean.a.s7234 5 років тому +1

      Well then he's lucky starscream didn't snich on him

    • @apex2000
      @apex2000 5 років тому

      More likely as trot rain drew short straw on duty at coronation.

    • @toyoscio
      @toyoscio 5 років тому +1

      Starscream does not work with anyone, except himself.

    • @llewelynshingler2173
      @llewelynshingler2173 5 років тому +3

      @@toyoscio He did team up with Astrotrain, and Blitzwing, before, but it didn't work very well.

    • @toyoscio
      @toyoscio 5 років тому +1

      @@llewelynshingler2173 That is true

  • @joslyncarter4813
    @joslyncarter4813 5 років тому +100

    I think Astrotrain had to jettison some weight for the same reason the Apollo 13 astronauts jettisoned the lunar module. It was a practical reason. He did state that he wouldn't be able to make it back to Cybertron if he didn't.

    • @Lily_Selverne
      @Lily_Selverne 5 років тому +10

      Right. He was clearly struggling to fly straight. It had to be for practical reasons.

    • @joelbaldwin4051
      @joelbaldwin4051 5 років тому +3

      But in space, things are weightless...yes, he was struggling to fly straight, but apart from a convenient plot device, what was the cause?

    • @Lily_Selverne
      @Lily_Selverne 5 років тому +6

      @@joelbaldwin4051 the scriptwriters not understanding physics.

    • @joelbaldwin4051
      @joelbaldwin4051 5 років тому +2

      But of course.

    • @DashCourageous
      @DashCourageous 5 років тому +8

      He burns his own energon in flight, so if he's damaged, he doesn't burn it efficiently.

  • @TheSmart-CasualGamer
    @TheSmart-CasualGamer 5 років тому +95

    He doesn't. He's jettisoning mass. He's no scientist, just a space shuttle.

    • @joelbaldwin4051
      @joelbaldwin4051 5 років тому +11

      Space shuttles don't tend to be too bright. Not one I've encountered has been.

    • @benknapp4166
      @benknapp4166 5 років тому +1

      Mass is how much space Astrotrain occupies. They are inside him. So it still makes no sense lol

    • @TheSmart-CasualGamer
      @TheSmart-CasualGamer 5 років тому +3

      Yeah, WE know that, but he obviously doesn't. He wasn't the brightest Cyberspanner in the workshop was he?

    • @ilyte1
      @ilyte1 3 роки тому

      @@benknapp4166 are you have to stupid. You just defined volume. Mass is the amount of matter in an object.

  • @kennylc2193
    @kennylc2193 5 років тому +11

    “Starscream wait... I still function!!”
    “Wanna bet?” *releases megatron into space*
    Priceless!!! 2:50

  • @RemyJackson
    @RemyJackson 5 років тому +149

    A shuttle carrying more mass requires more energy. Jettisoning some mass would have been a more accurate, but since the movie's target audience was children, saying weight would make more sense to them.
    The reasoning for needing to jettison mass could simply be because he was low on energon. The Decepticons had just mounted an all night battle against Autobot city.

    • @JohnC-hj3dr
      @JohnC-hj3dr 5 років тому +2

      Very true

    • @duewhit310
      @duewhit310 5 років тому +1

      The writers were mindfuck artists. Thats why they did it. To give us kids headaches.

    • @duewhit310
      @duewhit310 5 років тому

      The assholes.

    • @Cyril29a
      @Cyril29a 4 роки тому +1

      Except you only need to reduce mass for acceleration. In space there is no resistance and so since he was already moving he didn't need to keep the engines going to get to cybertron. An object in motion tends to stay in motion.

    • @fernandoflores3161
      @fernandoflores3161 4 роки тому +2

      @@Cyril29a maybe he was short on energy that would be used to maneuver to get to Cybertron.

  • @Eucep
    @Eucep 4 роки тому +5

    I propose that for each decepticon inside him, he had to mass shift bigger, however beyond a point, that mass shifting means a constant energy drain. Normally not an issue, but it is now after the fight they just were in which did last quite a while.

  • @BrotherApexx
    @BrotherApexx 5 років тому +18

    I never really thought about it until I became an adult. When I first saw the movie as a fifteen-year-old, it just made sense for the story being told. But him conspiring with Starscream is a great explanation.

  • @masteralaric
    @masteralaric 5 років тому +27

    I thing Astrotrain was low on fuel.
    Thanks to that, it coincided perfectly with Starscream's plan to overthrow Megatron.

  • @justinneese4449
    @justinneese4449 5 років тому +25

    I'm on the Mass Shifting team. Mass shifting must use some energy. The more you shift the more energy is needed. I'm thinking he just didn't have the energy to hold his level of mass shift all the way home. If he ran critically low he would likely have to revert to normal size, jettison everyone, and all would be stranded floating aimlessly through space. (I'm guessing he was struggling to maintain a heading due to the shifting weight of the team members he was carrying?)

  • @raazaqandraaz
    @raazaqandraaz 3 роки тому +6

    The real question is how did he not yell at them for fighting and him and how he was able to support devastators weight is what I want to know

    • @lewisaino
      @lewisaino 3 роки тому

      Maybe he went if all of them fight I can make them fall.

  • @kaiserdashawn5219
    @kaiserdashawn5219 5 років тому +148

    Starscream probably bribed him with energon cookies

    • @RodimusPrimal
      @RodimusPrimal  5 років тому +17

      ROFL!

    • @Eclipse-le4xt
      @Eclipse-le4xt 5 років тому +4

      Makes sense

    • @newdye7535
      @newdye7535 5 років тому +14

      Come to the dark "Starscream" side. He will give you cookies.
      Starscream probably gave them to him 5 minutes before the coronation ceremony started.

    • @WansleyYT
      @WansleyYT 5 років тому +3

      You should watch nostalgia critics transformers GB review he makes fun of starscreams cookies

    • @themarylandgoatman4475
      @themarylandgoatman4475 4 роки тому +5

      @@WansleyYT *STARSCREAMS COOKIES ARE MORE THAN MEETS THE ICING*

  • @productproducer1624
    @productproducer1624 5 років тому +12

    It was probably one of starscreams plans to take over megatron as he was injured alot. He saw the advantage.

  • @bagsikdangal
    @bagsikdangal 5 років тому +48

    It would've been funny if Astrotrain said _Jettison some deadweights_ since this would be him calling the nearly dead Decepticons as expendible bots😂

  • @robertfrazier6563
    @robertfrazier6563 5 років тому +7

    It more likely during the battle at Autobot City Astrotrain used most of his energy fighting the Autobots. How much he have left is unknown but probably have at least or less than 50% also remember in some episodes he used up almost all his energy to carry the Decepticons to a planet

  • @kikero131
    @kikero131 5 років тому +15

    Woo, an episode dedicated to the choo choo boy!
    I have always thought that he and Starscream had a deal to do that. Star had a great excuse to thow Megs to the space and be the leader. In return Star would have given Astro a high rank. (One supporting fact is that it's Astro who is placing the crown in the Stars' head. Not for example Soundwave who is highly appreciated by Megs and fairly popular character overall or one of the Seekers even he has worked with them almost all the time.) Too bad that Astro's dream crumbled into pieces like Starscream...

  • @earthquakesimon176
    @earthquakesimon176 5 років тому +3

    I had astro trains figure when i was a kid in the 80s. Always loved his loud echoing voice!

  • @stephencastro4723
    @stephencastro4723 5 років тому +6

    He has both practical and conspiring reasons in throwing out some weight out in space.

  • @CHASEMARC
    @CHASEMARC 5 років тому +8

    i think Starscream and him had a deal, Astrotrain would become 2nd in command under Starscream. also you would think Megatron would have told Astrotrain NOT TO FIGHT in the battle of Autobot City as he was the Con's only way off of the planet.

    • @RodimusPrimal
      @RodimusPrimal  5 років тому +4

      Astrotrain participated in a lot of battles despite being the Decepticons transportation, but he was certainly crafty. I think he just wisely fought from a distance.

  • @samjones7834
    @samjones7834 5 років тому +72

    Here's one thing I want to know: why don't the Decepticon jets just fly in space in jet mode? No seriously, if Starscream can fly through space in his F-15 mode, why can't Thundercracker, Skywarp, Ramjet, Thrust, Dirge and Blitzwing? Heck, later in the movie we see the coneheads fly in space to fight Unicron and Cyclonus fly in space to attack the Autobot shuttles. Huh, maybe if the jets weren't so lazy, Thundercracker and Skywarp may have actually survived the movie.
    On an unrelated note, I hope that the reissue of Astrotrain next year is in his cartoon dark grey and purple paint scheme. Not only did I mainly grow up with the G1 cartoon reruns in the UK in the 2000s, but he just looks awesome in it and it's a unique use of already used colours on transformers toys.

    • @dinaryunus9131
      @dinaryunus9131 5 років тому +21

      As for Thundercracker and Skywarp, they were injuried after the battle of Autobot City, so they probably didn't have enough energy to transform and fly by themselves

    • @chasepreston212
      @chasepreston212 5 років тому +13

      You do realize that half of the characters were either injured or out for themselves.

    • @timwellchalfield316
      @timwellchalfield316 5 років тому +19

      It's reasonable to speculate that the decepticon jets' spaceflight capabilities are limited to short-scale jaunts and skirmishes, but astrotrain's alt-mode (an actual spacecraft) is better suited for deep space voyages.
      As for Starscream himself, we know that all the seekers aren't exactly identical. Just as Skywarp's name hints at his ability to teleport, STARscream's name could be a reference to an extended spaceflight mod not possessed by others.

    • @joelbaldwin4051
      @joelbaldwin4051 5 років тому +7

      Starscream and possessed. Out of context, I know, and not your intent but--reminds me of "Starscream's Ghost".

    • @luvblueybingoheeler3150
      @luvblueybingoheeler3150 5 років тому +10

      Why are you questioning g1? In the Movie, Hot Rod didn't need to hold his breath when underwater because they don't breath to live, but was gasping for air when Galvatron was chocking him. Yes he was chocking him. You can hear Rodimus gasping for air.

  • @RVMan985
    @RVMan985 4 роки тому +4

    To be fair, Arcee actually shot him in the train wheel in the movie. So yes, he was injured as the wheel was also in his wing in his shuttle mode. But, Astrotrain was always scheming for power until Galvatron killed Starcream. He was just as bad as Starcream in that regard.

  • @MarkDemeo
    @MarkDemeo 5 років тому +4

    It seems to me that he was clearly low on energy and injured,which is why he needed to drop some weight/mass to get back home.

  • @astrotanker3887
    @astrotanker3887 5 років тому +13

    Astrotrain is the Best Triple Changer

    • @nil981
      @nil981 5 років тому

      Nah, Springer is the best! But I cant fault you for your choice.

    • @Teknokill-jm2ub
      @Teknokill-jm2ub 4 роки тому

      Yeah my absolute favorite and the first decepticon I ever bought. But I not only liked the way he could just take off into space, but the cool way his voice sounded!

  • @andywalker5044
    @andywalker5044 5 років тому +14

    I always just thought it was about power:weight

  • @Williamcantrell99
    @Williamcantrell99 2 роки тому +6

    So, “weight” wouldn’t matter in space, yeah. But mass does, and the more mass anything has, the more energy it takes to transport it. If that that vehicle wants to go faster with that weight, that’s even more energy needed. The Decepticons were all low on Energon as it was at that point, and Astrotrain was the only one exerting increasing feats of effort during their travel back. Now, he does say that they need to jettison weight, but you could always say that Astrotrain simply misspoke or simplified what he needed done so the other Decepticons would understand.
    Now, there could have been other solutions. Each of the Decepticons could have donated part of their remaining energon to Astrotrain in order to complete the voyage, or Starscream, the Coneheads, Laserbeak, Buzzsaw, Ratbat, and Blitzwing could have flown under their own power from that point, leaving the injured Decepticons and those unfit for space travel onboard Astrotrain. We know that the Decepticon keys could fly through space, as Starscream was shown doing so in Revenge of Bruticus, and the movie itself showed that the flying cassettes could do the same.
    However, what happened in the end was Astrotrain had a logistical issue due to the reckless nature of their retreat, and Starscream immediately pounced on it as a way to abandon Megatron, knowing the other Decepticons would be too desperate to return to Cybertron to risk keeping Decepticons on board who very well may have died anyway.

  • @unstoppableExodia
    @unstoppableExodia 5 років тому +11

    I always thought mass shifting and leaving earths atmosphere used up a lot of Astrotrain's remaining energon and carrying all that weight he calculated that he'd lose rocket thrust before they reached cybertron meaning they'd end up drifting through space like megatron did after he was given the boot. Tbh I never thought about it very deeply that the vacuum of space might be less affected by the weight he was carrying as that's more of an issue when gravity is a factor. Hmmm now I'm hoping a rocket scientist can weigh in on the comments section and say for sure if it would require the same quantity of energy for a fully loaded shuttle to travel through space as a lightly loaded one.

    • @RodimusPrimal
      @RodimusPrimal  5 років тому +3

      I never thought of it either but like Who Became Cyclonus, FIRRIB, and Origin of the Constructicons, this got brought up a lot. I always let it go as a not so bright comment from Astrotrain but it would be interesting to see if there is a scientific explanation for it.

    • @unstoppableExodia
      @unstoppableExodia 5 років тому +3

      RodimusPrimal agreed and that's why I enjoy these well made videos about certain aspects of G1 Transformers that I never thought about very much.
      I'm sure Bob Budiansky and all the other marvel employees who codified the Transformers mythos would be honored that fans care enough about what they created that they're contemplating these kinds of things after 30+ years for something that was created primarily to sell toys.

  • @EpykkDyzastur
    @EpykkDyzastur 5 років тому +5

    I love Astrotrain; he’s my absolute favorite! He’s done more for the Decepticons than they’d ever admit.

    • @RodimusPrimal
      @RodimusPrimal  5 років тому +3

      Give Astrotrain! Give till it hurts!

  • @copperhead577
    @copperhead577 5 років тому +4

    Why did he need to lose some weight??... the plot demands it, that's why.

  • @RoseSupreme
    @RoseSupreme 5 років тому +5

    5:10 Astrotrain dabbed before it was cool.

  • @Lily_Selverne
    @Lily_Selverne 5 років тому +11

    Thinking about it some more, it does make some sense. The Decepticons weren't floating around inside Astrotrain, which means he must have artificial gravity. That means that the Decepticons inside him would not have been weightless.

  • @BigBoyz33
    @BigBoyz33 5 років тому +11

    I love Astrotrain

  • @mrwatermelontheexotic3448
    @mrwatermelontheexotic3448 5 років тому +10

    Astrotrain needs more spotlight

    • @RodimusPrimal
      @RodimusPrimal  5 років тому +2

      Yes he does!

    • @thehumanvacuum3413
      @thehumanvacuum3413 4 роки тому +2

      @@RodimusPrimal all I want to see is my favorite purple train space shuttle boi get some love

  • @Havoc14757
    @Havoc14757 5 років тому +2

    Off topic but
    Siege toys that they should make in the future:
    Autobots:
    Wheeljack
    Arcee
    Hotrod
    Springer
    Roadbuster
    Kup
    Brawn
    Windblade
    Bumblebee (they might just do his cybervertron mode and cliffjumper's in the studio series)
    Decepticons:
    Swindle
    Onslaught
    Brawl
    Vortex
    Blastoff
    (And they would combine into Bruticus)
    Blitzwing
    Thundercracker
    Skyworp
    Slipstream
    Acid storm
    Nova storm
    Ramjet
    Thrust
    Astrotrain

  • @TheHylden
    @TheHylden 5 років тому +10

    Yes, I've always thought it was option 3, the fuel needed to also land on Cybertron (him not having enough energon, given the added weight/mass). Nice breakdown of the possibilities.

    • @n1ghtmar3w0lf3
      @n1ghtmar3w0lf3 5 років тому +1

      thats what i think it was to,the position of power may have been a bonus

  • @CheckpointK
    @CheckpointK 5 років тому +2

    I always assumed that he needed to drop some mass in order for him to accelerate to a high enough speed to land before he ran out of energy. Bearing in mind that even when not using energy to thrust astrotrain has to use energy to maintain his own functions and flight controls, so if that passive drain exhausts him mid-flight then they will never be able to adjust course or land.

  • @texasbeast239
    @texasbeast239 3 роки тому +1

    Astrotrain just got lost on the way back to Cybertron, but he was too embarrassed to admit it to anyone, so he distracted everyone and stirred up a squabble to keep them from noticing. Starscream probably knew it, but he still wasn't about to pass up an excuse to evict Megs.

  • @toddfraser3353
    @toddfraser3353 5 років тому +6

    Astrotrain was still using his engines to accelerate. And probably needed to change direction. The extra mass meant more energy to do so. Granted if his engines stopped he would fly at the same speed in a straight line barring running into debris or gravity wells. But with the rocking around inside. I don’t see a smooth flight to actually reach cybertron.

    • @RodimusPrimal
      @RodimusPrimal  5 років тому +2

      It was definitely a bumpy ride back. That battle afterward must have made getting back to Cybertron a challenge.

  • @DeterminedVeteran
    @DeterminedVeteran 5 років тому +4

    No matter how old I get this stuff still puts a smile on my face thank you

    • @RodimusPrimal
      @RodimusPrimal  5 років тому +1

      Thank you so much and thank you for your service!

  • @Warrior-Of-Virtue
    @Warrior-Of-Virtue 5 років тому +5

    And yet another case of Megatron forgiving treason for no logical reason.

    • @joeyderrico8134
      @joeyderrico8134 5 років тому +2

      If Megatron executed everyone who tried to overthrow him the only ones left world be Shockwave, Soundwave and the tapes

    • @Warrior-Of-Virtue
      @Warrior-Of-Virtue 5 років тому +2

      @@joeyderrico8134 Kind of proves my point, actually. If you send the message that treason will be forgiven, don't be surprised if you find a lot of traitors in your midst.

  • @rivitedrailfan
    @rivitedrailfan 5 років тому +6

    Cool video! Astrotrain was always my favorite triple changer!

  • @TopGunner1994
    @TopGunner1994 5 років тому +5

    Funny. I was just watching this scene yesterday and was wondering why Astrotrain would need to jettison some weight.

  • @shawnmctaggart8807
    @shawnmctaggart8807 5 років тому +2

    I'd say he's under continual acceleration, just like ships in the Expanse. Maybe his Cybertronian propulsion tech is so good running thrusters is a smaller drain than just continuing onboard sensors and life support (whether or not they should need it, there's definitely air present, otherwise nothing to carry the sound of voices); thus he has to make it back to Cybertron in the time window achieved by continuous thrust. When he realizes he's not making the progress needed to get them there as functioning robots, he says he needs to jettison some weight. (That he means mass is well understood by almost everyone, I think) Boom.

  • @stallion1972jo
    @stallion1972jo 3 роки тому +1

    What got me was how Astrotrain and Cosmos grows to carry other much larger Autobots and Decepticons... It almost reminds me of Doctor Who's Tardis

  • @captainfantastic9158
    @captainfantastic9158 5 років тому +5

    I never took A-train's bid(s) for power too seriously. In "The God Gambit," I read it was supposed to be - naturally - Megatron fooling the natives. But because Astro's toy had just been released, they substituted him for Megs in a bid for maximum exposure. (Because Starscream taking orders from ANYONE besides Megatron was a ludicrous notion THEN, and NOW.)
    As for the movie, they needed to make a fast getaway after the battle, and it was in Astrotrain or no one! He simply wasn't made to carry the CRUX of the Decepticon army. (Thus, I don't believe they arrived at the Autobots' shuttle within him. After all, THEY certainly weren't hurting for resources in 2005!) I'm speculating, but---minor battle damage, being low on fuel, overcrowding...perhaps all of that led to his request to "lighten their burden."
    As for Devastator forming inside of him...
    Ah, go chew on a microchip! 😉

  • @LordZack1
    @LordZack1 5 років тому +2

    I think it was a matter of navigation. If Astrotrain ran out of fuel, he might have drifted through space aimlessly forever. Thus he needed to lower the mass onboard to enable him to make the course corrections necessary to ensure they actually arrived at Cybertron rather than missing it.

  • @RaymondTF4Ever
    @RaymondTF4Ever 5 років тому +3

    You do realize that Astrotrain did have artificial gravity inside of his shuttle mode. The more Decepticons inside him, the more energy it would cost to maintain that gravity. And he can't just turn off the gravity inside of himself while at high velocity flight, or everyone inside of him would be thrown backwards and be crushed by the G-force of his momentum. So yeah... To me it makes perfect sense that he would want to get rid of extra weight inside of him...

  • @solidus0079
    @solidus0079 5 років тому +1

    (Sorry for old comment spam but I've been catching up on vids I missed)
    I never thought about the Starscream angle, I guess I never paid attention to who the crown-bearer was. Looking back on it now, the "power conspiracy" makes the most sense. After all, even back then I did think it was funny that with all the Decepticons fighting for it, the one who wasn't fighting (Starscream) won and the other guys had to blow the trumpets. Backroom handshakes seems the best reasoning.

  • @GreycatRademenes
    @GreycatRademenes 5 років тому +3

    Astrotrain was always one of my favorite G1 transformers. Also he's one of the best Cons in TF Earth Wars.
    Though personally I do not like any iteration of him being given a bullet train/Cybertronian train mode. Most often it looks like one of the unofficial mid-transformation modes. I hope the 2020 will fix that.
    I love the fact you brought the Apollo 13 incident. Though if I could broaden this point, Astrotrain could also have too little energy to properly manouver in space. While there is no gravity or friction in space, there is momentum and to adjust his trajectory he needs to fight against his current momentum.

    • @RodimusPrimal
      @RodimusPrimal  5 років тому

      Thanks! I was worried bringing in Apollo 13 would tune some people out but it brings up a lot of possibilities in theorizing why Astrotrain needed to. I too hope they can come up with a better mold for Astrotrain.

  • @JTPrime08
    @JTPrime08 5 років тому +6

    Astrotrain is a cool triple changer:).

  • @tfallspark5104
    @tfallspark5104 5 років тому +2

    Pretty sure it's the practical one.
    Though considering how he and Starscream got along he might also have conspired with him.
    I tend to see it that way.

  • @transformersfan-zx8ow
    @transformersfan-zx8ow 5 років тому +26

    Jettison some weight or I'll never make it to Cybertron! Fellow decepticons! Astrotrain has requested that we lighten our burden. In that case I say it is survival of the fittest. Do I hear a second on that? Aye! And against? Nay! The ayes have it! - Get! Make room for others! - Don't! Oh, how it pains me to do this. Wait... I still function. Wanna bet? Starscream! Well, as Megatron has, how shall we say, departed, I nominate myself as the new leader. Wait, the constructicons formed Devastator, the most powerful robot. We should rule! Soundwave superior. Constructicons inferior. Who are you calling inferior?! Nobody would follow an uncharismatic bore like you! Hey, nobody calls Soundwave uncrassimatic! Yeah, let's kick tailgate! Constructicons unite!
    No way!

    • @joelbaldwin4051
      @joelbaldwin4051 5 років тому +3

      Truly awesome! That's memorized, isn't it? While I was reading it, I heard the characters saying the lines. Transformers: The Movie is my favorite movie, and I have parts of it memorized myself. So many great scenes and moments in it! Do you have the entire film memorized?

    • @DIESEL0759
      @DIESEL0759 5 років тому +1

      "Uncrassimatic". *sigh*. I just facepalm for Rumble...

  • @metalmadness5851
    @metalmadness5851 4 роки тому +3

    I just love how Astrotrain asks them to jettison weight to make the trip easier, only for the rest of the Decepticons to star fighting inside. "Guys! This isn't helping!"

  • @swindle8359
    @swindle8359 3 роки тому +1

    here's my theory: as we can see all of the decepticons have no problem in standing on astrotrain, even when they where fighting, so he probably had some gravity stabilizers or something, so it was probably pulling him down, also the battle where he probably got injured, and the thruster got probably damaged

  • @TheReignOfJazz
    @TheReignOfJazz 5 років тому +1

    Man, I freaking LOVE this channel. Great content man!

  • @srvfan454
    @srvfan454 3 роки тому +1

    Maybe Decepticons just aren't the sharpest tools in the shed and thought getting rid of weight would help? Or maybe they just planned to throw the damaged Decepticons out all along.

  • @PatTheKnight
    @PatTheKnight 5 років тому +2

    Great video RP it was nice to learn a lot about Astrotrain here.

  • @slicerneons3300
    @slicerneons3300 5 років тому +2

    Maybe Astrotrain worried the inevitable infighting would damage his insides.

  • @lynngreen7978
    @lynngreen7978 5 років тому +6

    We see him *literally* place the crown on Starscream. Seems reasonable to assume it was figurative as well.

    • @RodimusPrimal
      @RodimusPrimal  5 років тому +3

      Yep. Ever the opportunist these Decepticons are.

  • @thescottishlad1049
    @thescottishlad1049 4 роки тому +3

    Gravity. Without enough energy , Astrotrain might not be able to to produce enough thrust to escape the gravity of any planets or suns or other celestial bodies in the way of them and Cybertron.

  • @johngolles342
    @johngolles342 5 років тому +2

    Thank you for making this, I have always wondered this.

  • @OptimusPrime2471
    @OptimusPrime2471 3 роки тому +2

    More or less I think Astrotrain realizing he was injured and low on energon forced his servo to lighten the burden on a funny note imagine while the Decepticons were fighting over who should rule I think Astrotrain should have said "STOP SQUABBLING OR NO ONE WILL MAKE IT TO CYBERTRON"

  • @themadmattster9647
    @themadmattster9647 5 років тому +1

    i love G1 Astrotrain. Hope they reissue him with the original series colors but same modes. The purple train is so awesome and looks like a classic locomotive. I bought Astrotrain from Ebay a year ago for like 20 dollars and he's still one of my most precious transformers

    • @RodimusPrimal
      @RodimusPrimal  5 років тому +1

      I may need to get some reprolabels for my Astrotrain as he is missing them. I hope they reissue him in gray personally but he's certainly a cool bot. I'm kind of kicking myself for not getting the Takara Legends Astrotrain to match the other Triple Changers. The Henkei one is rather small by comparison.

  • @EuReeka23
    @EuReeka23 5 років тому +2

    So Megs could get over to Unicron to become Galvy... lol

  • @iamtheomnimonkey
    @iamtheomnimonkey 5 років тому +1

    After your history lesson about Apollo 13, combined with the likelyhood of him being low on Energon and/or damaged, I think he meant that he wouldn't be able to make reentry into Cybertron.

  • @xavierallen2508
    @xavierallen2508 4 роки тому +1

    I love the triple changers.

  • @suprasport9118
    @suprasport9118 4 роки тому +1

    Nah! It was the more practical! He just didn't have enough Fuel to make it to Cybertron. As always Super Great Video! RodimusPrimal. 💯❤

  • @DominusTecum316
    @DominusTecum316 5 років тому +9

    RodimusPrimal if you can utilize logic and create theory to what Astrotrain was attempting to do when he said this action needed to be done. Could you come up in the future with theories how after Galvetron was killed in the movies, how he could be brought back in the next movie as Megatron? Seems to me that Paramont studios and director Michael Bay just did not care about continuity errors. Only true fans hated and had problems with that error and many more that were committed in that series before the new and latest Bumblebee was release on Dec 2018 in theaters.

    • @RodimusPrimal
      @RodimusPrimal  5 років тому

      Believe it or not, it's on my list of videos to cover.

    • @joelbaldwin4051
      @joelbaldwin4051 5 років тому

      Michael Bay (shudder) the modern director I have zero love and admiration for. Ugh. I'm a true fan and despise that which has the Transformers name on it but really isn't Transformers. There's a LOT of that sort of Go-Bot in disuise garbage out there, sadly.

  • @joeysteve8234
    @joeysteve8234 2 роки тому +2

    Maybe he had some life support systems but with than many of them he was being drained of energy

  • @LegendaryDarkKnight602
    @LegendaryDarkKnight602 4 роки тому +1

    Unicron may have his own gravity, though I don't remember seeing him when the Decepticons were flying by.

  • @fgstech4857
    @fgstech4857 5 років тому

    What's even more incredible is that Astrotrain transformed with other transformers inside his train mode to space shuttle mode.

  • @emilianoborselli9787
    @emilianoborselli9787 5 років тому

    I still have my old Astrotrain, although the time consumed a bit its plastic parts, it's still the coolest of them all!

  • @simplysteve68
    @simplysteve68 5 років тому +6

    I've got a question, why did the lasers, the Autobots and Decepticons shot at each other, on the animated series, deflect off and not penetrate their armor?
    Yet we see in the animated movie, the Decepticons shot some Autobots when they arrived on the Ark, and killed them with one shot!

    • @RodimusPrimal
      @RodimusPrimal  5 років тому +7

      In fiction, probably because the Decepticons were at full power and the Autobots had nowhere to go. Ironhide survived a lot of blasts before Megatron gave him that final blow. Outside of that, plot armor.

    • @greggrice5417
      @greggrice5417 5 років тому +6

      I like the answer I heard on a retro blasting video. They had 20 years to get more powerful weapons

    • @TheHylden
      @TheHylden 5 років тому +1

      A kids series on Saturday morning TV vs. a movie where they could curse and blow humanoids to bits, basically.

    • @bagsikdangal
      @bagsikdangal 5 років тому

      Kids didn't buy enough of the Autobots toys. The Autobots that died in the movie was basically Hasbro telling the kids it's their fault these Autobots died😂

    • @BrotherApexx
      @BrotherApexx 5 років тому +1

      I always imagined that the Cons got a hold of, or were able to process, a more powerful form of Energon.

  • @Prich319
    @Prich319 3 роки тому +1

    I think it was a matter of Delta V, or change in velocity. Astrotrain may not have had the fuel/energy to make the burn necessary to reach Cybertron and enter it's Sphere of influence, assuming the transformers universe is still subject to the laws of Newtonian physics. The easiest way to increase a spacecraft's delta V is to shed unnecessary mass, and your average Decepticon probably weighs a good 15-20 tons or so. I can't recall the formula for calculating Delta V, but dumping the dead and dying would have significantly increased Astrotrain's Delta V, allowing him to make the necessary course corrections with less fuel.

  • @metalmadness5851
    @metalmadness5851 4 роки тому

    I always assumed that he needed to continually expend energy remaining enlarged, and was gonna run out before they'd ake it, and so needed to shrink. Thus needing to jettison some "dead" weight.

  • @Animeaddiction
    @Animeaddiction 2 роки тому +2

    There is no weight in space, so it has to be mass. There is only weight when gravity affects an object's mass and pulls it towards the source of gravity. That's why things on the Moon WEIGH only 1/6th than on Earth. I feel that it's best that Astrotrain was low on energy after the battle of Autobot City and knew that he didn't have enough fuel or energy to push the amount of mass inside of him. That's why he said, "Or I'll never make it to Cybertron."
    The theory of Unicron manipulating things so that Megatron would be ejected to him is a little far-fetched. Space is a really big place and the chances of Megatron and the other injured Decepticons drifting towards him are pretty slim.

  • @williamcharles3244
    @williamcharles3244 4 роки тому +1

    You have to keep accelerating steadily if you want to get around in space at a decent rate, More Weight always takes more to accelerate...

  • @mekman4
    @mekman4 5 років тому +1

    I think it’s a little of everything.
    Great Stuff!

    • @mekman4
      @mekman4 5 років тому

      Thank you for the heart! Keep up the great work!

  • @timwellchalfield316
    @timwellchalfield316 5 років тому

    Plot-friendly answer: The amount of mass Astrotrain is carrying matters a lot while accelerating and decelerating. When the wrecked 'cons are tossed out, we observe them falling back behind astrotrain instead of just drifting alongside him. Also, Astrotrain's main rocket nozzles are lit, which would not be necessary if he had reached cruising speed in deep space. These two observations support the idea that he is still accelerating at this point. Furthermore, at some point he will have to decelerate in order to land safely on his destination instead of smashing into it.
    In order to overcome inertia, both of these changes in velocity require more energy if he is carrying more mass.
    Incidentally, the remaining robots throwing each other around afterwards isn't helping Astrotrain's fuel efficiency either, since the constantly shifting mass distribution means that he will have to keep making small course corrections every time someone or something moves from one side to the other.
    More likely answer: The target audience is elementary school children. Kids (mostly) have little to no grasp of rocket physics, but they know what it's like to try to move something heavy.
    Also, I guess Blast-Off was at the grocery store that day or something.

  • @mcpics4448
    @mcpics4448 5 років тому +4

    A very good question
    Guess some drop the ball on that one

    • @RodimusPrimal
      @RodimusPrimal  5 років тому +1

      It's a throw away line but so many people talked about it over the years.

  • @r3mdh
    @r3mdh 5 років тому +9

    He had a pre-arranged pact with Starscream. It’s obvious - he CROWNS Starscream for what is likely a role as his second in command. Starscream and Astrotrain counted on most (if not all) of the Decepticons to fall for their “jettison some weight” ruse.

    • @lewisaino
      @lewisaino 3 роки тому

      Wonder why they didn't think about getting rid of Soundwave

  • @Mr.BMC2763
    @Mr.BMC2763 2 роки тому +1

    NO STOP!!!! that's a ....watermain... 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 Your videos remind me of being a kid after school watching TF

  • @aminaishaq173
    @aminaishaq173 5 років тому +3

    Keep them vids on the go great channel 👍👍👍👍

  • @MrCash-lm1xz
    @MrCash-lm1xz 3 роки тому +1

    Because it's not about weight, it's about mass. If he has more mass, he needs more fuel to accelerate the same amount, meaning he needs more energon.

  • @FreebirthBoccara
    @FreebirthBoccara 3 роки тому +1

    well, it makes sense if he simply didn't have the fuel. people always forget about slowing down. so in space there is no friction. you just keep going. now, you can try and use a planet or moons mass to help slow you down. but if the mass isn't sufficient (and energon is actually quite smaller than say earth) if you accelerated to much and have to much mass you won't be able to be caught by the gravity of the planet without slamming into it. so you have to use more fuel to slow down before hitting the planet.
    this is why it takes so long to send probed to pluto. it's not just far away, it's very small. if we launched them as fast as possible they would just fly right past pluto without stopping. we actually have to send them to either jupiter or uranis use either of them to slow down the probe. and then let it continue on to pluto at a speed that pluto can catch it.

  • @kaylemathewcomendador7614
    @kaylemathewcomendador7614 5 років тому +1

    Speaking of Diaclone figures that didn't make it into Transformers, I wonder if someone could make a video tackling that.

  • @TheRealG5
    @TheRealG5 4 роки тому +1

    The answer is easy, he didn’t. It was a plot by Astrotrain. This was probably him working with another decepticon (most likely starscream) to get rid of major competitors. Why I think that it’s starscream’s plan is because 1) he was second in command, meaning he was the most likely to take command if megatron died, and 2) they also got rid of many potential dangers to starscream’s rule (the seekers because they were devoutly loyal to megatron and the Insectacons because they were inherinty treacherous)

  • @Pwnagotchi-0
    @Pwnagotchi-0 3 роки тому +1

    Astrotrain never cared about megatron as a leader, watch the episode triple takeover, where astrotrain and blitzwing, and starscream betray megatron and the episode the god gambit where astrotrain tells thrust that they dont need to check in with megatron.
    So in the movie megatron is hurt, and astrotrain knew that he would be thrown out because only the strong survive.
    So he requested to lighten his load, also in the next time they show starscream it's when he is being crowned and astrotrain is crowning him, which doesn't make sense because in the god gambit astrotrain is choking starscream with one hand, and thrust tells starscream that if they dont do what astrotrain wants then he will vaporize them.

  • @Me-wx1mt
    @Me-wx1mt 2 роки тому +1

    2:11 starscream poggers

  • @AdmiralBison
    @AdmiralBison Рік тому

    The Transformers G1.
    It's simply just easier to accept it's a cartoon than trying to explain away all the broken laws of Physics in regards:
    scale, size, mass, volume, weight etc... because we know it was screwed the moment, we saw a giant robot shrink down to the size of an actual 80's boom box.

  • @joelbaldwin4051
    @joelbaldwin4051 5 років тому

    I wrote a poem called "Forgive Me" from Rodimus Prime's perspective based around the concept of his guilt and blaming himself because of the circumstances around Optimus's death. If it's cool I'd like to post it in the comments of one of these videos once I find it. It's fairly short.

  • @Rodzilla97
    @Rodzilla97 5 років тому +2

    weird i was just thinking about this subject a few days ago, and then i see this video

  • @michaeldunlap1032
    @michaeldunlap1032 3 роки тому +1

    It's because there are literally ALOT of people inside of him, of course he would want to get rid of some since the more people you have, the heavy you get. Not that hard to assume.

  • @Anyienk9
    @Anyienk9 4 роки тому

    Here is another thing i noticed that show how power hungry Starscream is.
    It have been shown several times before the movie that the seekers is capable of space flight. Starscreams have traveled through space and in the 3-part mini series where they manage to open a space bridge so that Cybertron can get close to earth you see that the seekers is flying between earth and Cybertron carrying a human and energon cubes.
    So instead of actually throwing the wounded out Starscream could have ordered the other seekers to transform and fly beside Astrotrain to lighten his load.

  • @hailuntan9284
    @hailuntan9284 5 років тому +1

    Scientifically speaking, the push power of the space shuttle is affected by the weight

  • @orzen_the_orzo933
    @orzen_the_orzo933 5 років тому +2

    I think that Astrotrain had to jettison some weight for my boi (Starscream) to become the leader of the decepticons!
    You said something like that in one of your other videos.