DDR2 vs DDR3 Socket LGA 775

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  • @NicolaiSyvertsen
    @NicolaiSyvertsen 5 років тому +37

    LGA775 was a very long lived socket from Intel. A lot happened in that timeframe.

    • @LiegeMaximo
      @LiegeMaximo Рік тому +1

      Haha true that. I currently have my primary pc with 5600x while secondary has Pentium e5400. Both work great in their own domains

    • @dallesamllhals9161
      @dallesamllhals9161 Рік тому +3

      Well at least They had 1(ONE) socket for a few years....not the INTEL we know nowadays....right?

  • @Face2FaceHardware
    @Face2FaceHardware 5 років тому +49

    Enjoyed the vid. Thanks for taking the time to dig a bit deeper into this. 👍

  • @lunchie80
    @lunchie80 5 років тому +5

    Thanks for the inspiration Phil. Needed a basic Emby streamer for a second viewing room and would never have considered an older machine with ddr2 ram.
    Picked up a HP DC7900 with a core 2 E8400 for $25, installed more ddr2 ram for $10, a Gt210 for HDMI ($29 shipped) and a core 2 quad Q8400 for $10. Only unexpected costs were a network card after a win 10 update caused the inbuilt gigabit to stop working (tried everything short of a rollback) and a new fan as the HP original sounded like a Hoover!
    Great machine for the money and very satisfying using this 'obsolete' machine. Painted the silver bits black and added BT media remote and it's awesome!

  • @SuzanneKowalski
    @SuzanneKowalski 5 років тому +32

    I live in Hungary, DDR2 modules are generally 1.5 - 2x as expensive as DDR3 modules here. 4 gig DDR2 modules are quite hard to find and crazy expensive.

    • @DennyNeznan
      @DennyNeznan 5 років тому +1

      You can get brand new 4gb 2x2gb ddr2 kits on Aliexpress for 10€, search for Kllisre.

    • @Uraim
      @Uraim 5 років тому

      do you hungary? i know t speak hun :D private chat :DD

    • @Uraim
      @Uraim 5 років тому

      i have pga 1070 socket

    • @MashupsByMandy
      @MashupsByMandy 5 років тому +1

      I live in Brazil and it's the opposite for me, 4GB DDR2 800Mhz modules going for R$ 80, which is less than 20 american dollars.
      For some reason it does look expensive on the international market, searched there first and was surprised it is far cheaper here.
      Not talking about 2x2 kits, actual single 4GB modules.
      Single 2GB DDR2 Ram 800Mhz is being sold for about R$30 which is about 7 american dollars. (Checked Facebook Marketplace and MercadoLivre.com)

    •  5 років тому

      @@MashupsByMandy tbm moro no brasil trabalho com informatica a mais de 20 anos mesmo com essa Era DDR4 ainda aparece pessoas querendo comprar memorias ddr2 mais e dificil achar ddr2 4gb e pior ainda com frequência maior 1066mhz qual lugar onde encontra essa de ddr2 4gb ha mercado bom visto que comprando fora tem pessoas que ate chega esperar eu fazer pedido visto que realmente essas pessoas que procura fazer esse up usa pc somente para trabalho e querer ter um pouco mais de liberdade enfim abrir mais abas em navegadores e abrir mais programas...

  • @FightingForceSoulless
    @FightingForceSoulless 3 роки тому +30

    Xeon x5460, 8 GB DDR2 800, GTX 660, that's my beast. And I am quite happy with it. And the whole thing, with a 500W supply cost me... less than 125 €. I don't think that's bad, and I had fun building it.

  • @MirelRC
    @MirelRC 5 років тому +6

    I was waiting long for a such video.

  • @PaintsAreOp
    @PaintsAreOp 5 років тому +8

    Phil you're a wizard, 3 hours before this video went live I tried to google this thing and only found bad videos from UA-cam...

  • @sasanmottaghipour876
    @sasanmottaghipour876 5 років тому +2

    Great video Phil! Thanks for putting some time off to dig into this ^_^

  • @andrebachmann1475
    @andrebachmann1475 5 років тому +1

    Thank you very much for this comparison! This is a relly interesting topic for me. :)

  • @soylentgreenb
    @soylentgreenb 5 років тому +75

    There's also DDR1 for socket 775 (typically the boards that support AGP and windows 98 such as the one you reviewed a couple of months back)

    • @MixerVM
      @MixerVM 5 років тому +15

      Pretty sure most of those boards are limited to Netburst architecture CPU's and single-channel RAM though. It'd be interesting to see how it holds up, but I can't think of any conceivable reason why you'd want one of those over a DDR2/PCIe board.

    • @Dant2142
      @Dant2142 5 років тому +16

      @@MixerVM Those DDR LGA775 boards were the last board of any kind to have a chipset that had guaranteed support for PC/PCI and DDMA, two protocols that let you tunnel ISA IRQs and ISA DMA across the PCI bus. There's some PCI sound cards that take advantage of those to get near 100% Sound Blaster compatibility in DOS. So those boards are desirable for making the fastest possible DOS machines.

    • @soylentgreenb
      @soylentgreenb 5 років тому +5

      @@MixerVM Not all though. I know at least two that allow dual channel DDR1 and allow at least some core 2 cpus, e.g. ASRock 775i65G R3.0 and conroe865PE.

    • @dialdowninternet8987
      @dialdowninternet8987 5 років тому +1

      I have a pentium extreme and 2 gigs of ddr @ 400mhz in my system

    • @abcdefg9613
      @abcdefg9613 5 років тому +2

      I had an asrock model which supported q6600 and it was very fast, oddly it was faster than ddr2 despite the bandwidth increase because I had Ddr400 with very tight timings.

  • @alexkindl861
    @alexkindl861 5 років тому +2

    Very interesting stuff! Some time last year I tested putting a LGA771 x5355 into my GA p35 DS3R, swapped out my E8400, but I never tried using the DDR3 capability of the board while doing the testing. They worked out really similarly with the few video cards I had, in my limited testing scenarios, but ended up using twice the wattage, so I gave up.
    Long story short: Thanks! I always wondered if it was strictly frequency / timings dependent.

  • @gvii
    @gvii 5 років тому +1

    I have to believe doing this comparison took a bit of time and work, lol. Very nice.

  • @georgez8859
    @georgez8859 5 років тому +1

    Thanks for the video Phil, i know a lot of work went into it.I Think either Memory system will make a good XP Machine if the price is right.

  • @Trancelistic
    @Trancelistic 5 років тому +1

    The results were as I expected.
    Nice video anyhows:)

  • @eduardoavila646
    @eduardoavila646 5 років тому +81

    Well... At least where i live, the 775 ddr3 boards are really expensive, sometimes even more than some cheapo 1155 boards, no kidding.
    So basically doesnt worth it.
    Ddr2 775 board have some really hood deals tho, so if you really dont have the budget for a 1155, its a good option

    • @philscomputerlab
      @philscomputerlab  5 років тому +2

      Yea in that case it's not worth it!

    • @eduardoavila646
      @eduardoavila646 5 років тому +1

      Ismael Espínola Villalobos Yes, these 775 ddr3 boards never actually came here officially in general, they are pretty rare and expensive. Until the first core i series basically we were stuck at ddr2 ram.
      But yes really wierd

    • @malicious1111
      @malicious1111 5 років тому +1

      probably lga1155 from hp, dell.... is cheaper than any good gaming lga775

    • @eduardoavila646
      @eduardoavila646 5 років тому +1

      BootlegScarce Actually if i compare to some biostar low end ryzen boards its basically the same price. But those biostars randomlly appear and dissapear from the market, and i really dont know how good they are.
      But yeah, really abusive price for such old hardware

    • @SummonerArthur
      @SummonerArthur 5 років тому

      @@eduardoavila646 based on what you said about these boards, I think we might live on the same country...

  • @RafaCoprimo
    @RafaCoprimo 5 років тому +1

    Nice, thanks for the video, i was curious about the difference in performance

  • @gs8plus405
    @gs8plus405 4 роки тому +1

    a lot of work on this vid, relevant for me in 2020 ! thanks :)

  • @umbrella12
    @umbrella12 5 років тому

    Your acent is soo cool and your knowledge of computer is amazing! keep up the good work!

  • @badger67
    @badger67 5 років тому +2

    I really appreciate yor videos.
    Thank you.

  • @AvoidingZombies
    @AvoidingZombies 5 років тому +1

    Very helpful! Thank you Phil!

  • @Ruhne58
    @Ruhne58 5 років тому +13

    Great video! Lots of work, i appreciate it! There is an other difference between the p35 and the p43 chipset that might improve results and benchmarks. The P43 supports PCI Express 2.0, where the P35 only supports version 1.1

    • @philscomputerlab
      @philscomputerlab  5 років тому +4

      Yup, well worth mentioning.

    • @Pidalin
      @Pidalin Рік тому

      but in reality, you won't see any difference, I had few P35-P45 boards, they all have identical performance, I had also one expensive fancy board with nvidia chipset and DDR3 and performance was terrible, it was like -15% compared to intel P chipsets, nvidia chipsets are big NO for me, I never had any MB with nvidia chipset which worked without any problem

    • @theexile4694
      @theexile4694 Рік тому

      @@Pidalin "I had also one expensive fancy board with nvidia chipset"
      That was your problem right there. Everyone knew back then knew to avoid those boards and go for the Intel Chipsets as they tended to work much better and had a lot less issues in general.

  • @wayneholzer4694
    @wayneholzer4694 2 роки тому +8

    Hi Phil these LGA775 motherboards still have their place in the world. I have a Q6600 with 8GB Ram and 2 1GB PCI add in cards 120GB SSD 2 floppy drives 1 3/5 1.44mb, 5 1/4 double density plus a 16x DVD+-RW running LFS "Linux From Scratch" I compiled using the 6600 CPU which was slow took a few days to build the base system and I run my own IP tables router/firewall for my home network with AV and SNORT setup with my own home VPN for when i am out and about. Plus self hosted private webserver/mail and it doesn't use much ram approx 5GB after several weeks running non stop and CPU usage under full load is about 70% utilization and the DDR3 is mix and match I have to double check what Gigabyte MB I am using. But Love the content mate I am thinking of building one for backwards compatible retro gaming sick of using emulation etc and VM's. Keep up the good content I know this vid is couple years old but for all us IT guru's we do find ways of using old hardware for Games and more saving e-waste. Cheers

  • @slaaayx
    @slaaayx 5 років тому +5

    never clicked a video so fast i have so many lga775 mobos with ddr3 compatibility laying around

  • @HAZRDOne
    @HAZRDOne 5 років тому +3

    I finished my 775/AGP build and it was the most fun I've had putting a computer together.
    Asrock 4core dual-data2
    Q6700
    X1950 pro agp
    Corsair xms2 DDR2 @667

  • @rjazz1
    @rjazz1 8 місяців тому +1

    Phil, I am quite new to your channel...I just love your real world comparisons, would love to see comparisons between old socketed board LGA 775 vs 1150 vs etc....Thank you so much, I am certainly going to enjoy wading through your back catalogue of videos!!

  • @Complextro93kg
    @Complextro93kg 5 років тому +18

    DDR2 still going strong , playin new games easily :D

    • @Complextro93kg
      @Complextro93kg 3 роки тому +2

      @The king Charged I did back then :)

    • @keith8225
      @keith8225 3 роки тому +2

      @@Complextro93kg RIP DDR2. It was the GOAT for cheapo pc builds back in 2015-2018

    • @zk0rned
      @zk0rned 3 роки тому +2

      @@keith8225 still good to use in a cheap build for younger kids as their first PC since if they fuck it up it isn't hard to replace parts aka the ram :)

    • @iancaluya9911
      @iancaluya9911 3 роки тому

      @@zk0rned agree im building cheap 775s for my kids and cctvs/office pcs they still quite robust and cheap still does the job

  • @kennyj4366
    @kennyj4366 4 роки тому

    Great video Phil, Thank you. 👍

  • @extracoolboy
    @extracoolboy 3 роки тому +3

    Here I am in 2021 with Q6600, Asus P5Q Pro, and GT 1030 as my secondary rig, and guess what, it still works just fine. OC to 3 Ghz, SSD, 8 gigs of RAM and it is usable for any day to day task. Running Windows 10 20H2 with no issues.

  • @todorp4056
    @todorp4056 4 роки тому

    Great video, in the current health and economic problems, your videos on super budget PC upgrades are on the spot. If possible please add Cinebench R15 and R20 benchmarks.

  • @SiggyPony
    @SiggyPony 7 місяців тому +1

    This really answered my questions :) I'm am late here lol, but I got one of those crazy high end ASUS boards with a Q9300 for $35NZD from a junk shop lol. It's running really well with windows 7 and a GTS250 :) I'm making a second system around a Q6600 but only have high end 775 boards left. It's good to see its not going to make much of a difference :)

  • @GameplayandTalk
    @GameplayandTalk 5 років тому +2

    Interesting results. I had contemplated going with a more modern memory standard on an older build (DDR3 as opposed to DDR2), but for a retro build it really doesn't seem like there's a drastic difference.

  • @maltomeal3
    @maltomeal3 5 років тому +8

    I've used that p35 board with a Xeon x5460 over clocked to 3.8ghz and a gtx 960 combo. Solid performance.

    • @nicholasbrooks7349
      @nicholasbrooks7349 2 роки тому

      I have a similar build not a xeon but the slightly weaker by like 1% 9550 with 8 ddr (high end like 1,333 or what ever the max is) , and a gtx 770 (sli when my psu is upgraded).

  • @dionyssisdimitrioy
    @dionyssisdimitrioy 5 років тому +2

    Ah man you reminded me my Intel core 2 quad and cod mw2 days... Beautiful years passed by......

  • @MrSamadolfo
    @MrSamadolfo 5 років тому +5

    🙂 thanks, i never knew how close they were in performance ✌️😏

  • @osgrov
    @osgrov 5 років тому

    Excellent video! You've just saved me a lot of time and money.

  • @randomreviews9016
    @randomreviews9016 5 років тому +1

    Very interesting video ! I've had my P5B with 8Gb DDR2 for a long time and thought about switching (not anymore when I saw the prices for DDR2 (cheaper) vs ddr3 on AliExpress for 4*2 ) and I'm glad I kept my DDR2 ! The investment isn't worth it for me with my e5450. I have many old systems still on DDR2 (family) and prices are so low on Ali that it's not worth upgrading for just ddr3. A bigger step is needed for our uses (like X79 jumps)

    • @KOMOROWSKY
      @KOMOROWSKY 4 місяці тому

      Im still using my P5B DDR2 7 GB is my primary pc. Old school but mainly use it everyday tasks. Nice to see you have had it as well

  • @sobolanul96
    @sobolanul96 5 років тому +4

    I have a p5q deluxe and am currently running 8GB of ram(2x4). The motherboard supports up to 16, but finding 4GB ddr2 compatible dimm's has been impossible. It would be interesting how a pc with 16gbddr2 would perform

  • @tamasvarga4867
    @tamasvarga4867 5 років тому +5

    I had a decent 775 rig some time ago but I managed to ruin my ASUS P5K-V motherboard in an accident and I couldn't continue upgrading it sadly, then the PSU gave up some time after as well. If I still had the board I'd bet I would still be using it but with everything maxed out by now.

  • @stevesmith1383
    @stevesmith1383 5 років тому +2

    I'd be interested in seeing this same test with an AM2+ DDR2 board and a AM3 DDR3 board.
    I have a spare pc with a Phenom II X6 1055t running on the AM2+ board with 8gb ddr2. Was curious what performance improvement it would have with ddr3 ram.
    The Phenom 2 and AM3 boards should have been far better designed to use DDR3 ram

  • @molucas3797
    @molucas3797 9 місяців тому

    brilliant m8, im just about to start a referb for a 775 board for my son and its suprising to find that ddr2 can be faster than ddr3, although i think dd3 is more stable in the long run pending on what cpu you use. either way thanks for the heads up

  • @youtubasoarus
    @youtubasoarus 5 років тому +1

    Very interesting outcome! I would have expected there to be a slight bump but nothing too noticeable DDR2 to DDR3, but didn't expect DDR2 to edge out the later. Is this mostly due to timings? Looks like the DDR2 memory had lower latency? If I remember correctly I think Linus (Linus Tech Tips) did a similar comparison with DDR3 to DDR4 and noticed a slight but rather insignificant advantage on the DDR4 memory. Nothing that would warrant the extra cost though.

  • @Fender178
    @Fender178 5 років тому +2

    Very interesting video. When i got my LGA 775 rig I had a DDR3 motherboard that was capable of 16GB of RAM being a P45 chipset but it didn't want to boot with 16GB for whatever reason maybe I needed to flash the BIOS in order for it to work properly or I was using memory that was too fast for it or something. Anyway when I upgraded from a Core 2 duo E8400 to a Core 2 Quad Q6600 I had to downclock my RAM 1333mhz RAM to 1066mhz due to the FSB on the Q6600 and I didn't notice that much of a performance drop and besides It made the RAM last longer. When you mentioned the chipsets running warmer it reminds me of the newer motherboards like for 4th generation core i series CPUs I had to increase the voltage of my RAM because I went from 2 stick of memory to 4 and it made Windows unstable to the point where I was getting blue screens.

    • @downundergarage6968
      @downundergarage6968 4 роки тому

      Just do bsel mod to q6600 and get back to 1333 mem bus. Im getting a couple old cpus and 775 mb to try just for fun.

  • @tofuguru941
    @tofuguru941 3 місяці тому +1

    Great vid. Surprised I didn't come across this one from you sooner in my feed.
    I have 3 different systems just for the Windows XP era alone!
    One is a socket 478.
    Two of them are socket 775!
    For Early-Era XP:
    Socket 478. Abit IC7 Max3
    P4 3Ghz 1MB Cache
    I have a 3.4EE, but I prefer above for higher FSB OCing.
    Thermalright SP120 cooler.
    267fsb x 15 = 4ghz.
    1066Mhz FSB.
    428Mhz Ram with divider.
    2 x 1GB Corsair LED Pro DDR 438.
    BFG 6800 Ultra OC AGP
    4 x 36GB SATAI WD Raptor 10k RPM in Raid0.
    Antec TrueControl 550w
    She chews up anything early XP I throw at it.
    For Mid-Era XP
    (First Socket 775. DDR2)
    EVGA 780i SLI
    Core2Duo E8600 3.33Ghz @ 4Ghz
    (400 x 10)
    1600Mhz FSB!
    Zalman copper led flower cooler.
    2 x 2GB OCZ Platinum Edition DDR2
    1066Mhz 5-5-5-15 2T
    2 x 8800 Ultra SLI
    256GB OCZ Vertex SSD
    2 x WD VelociRaptor 150GB 10k RPM SATAII in RAID0
    OCZ EliteXtreme 1000w PSU
    Plays Crysis like a CHAMP.
    May look into alternative C2D chips to try to achieve 4.2Ghz or more...
    For Late-Era 64-Bit XP:
    (Second Socket 775. DDR3)
    Asus ROG Rampage Extreme
    Core2Extreme QX9770 3.2Ghz @ 4.2Ghz (400 x 10.5) 4c / 8t
    1600Mhz FSB!
    Cooler Master Hyper212 LED
    2 x 4GB Corsair Dominator GT CL9 DDR3 2000Mhz
    2 x Radeon HD5870 Eyefinity CrossFire
    256GB OCZ VertexII SSD
    2 x WD VelociRaptor 150GB 10k RPM SATAII in Raid0
    CoolerMaster SilentPro 1000w
    This baby can run Crysis2 like no ones biz.
    775 was a great era of computing!

    • @philscomputerlab
      @philscomputerlab  3 місяці тому +1

      Those are some nice systems, very thoughtful choice of parts! Even Raptor drives, nice...

  • @dialupdavid
    @dialupdavid 5 років тому +1

    Wow, this was a cool idea. Never really thought about this variable! Great video as always! Thanks Phil!

  • @CompatibilityMadness
    @CompatibilityMadness 5 років тому +48

    Also, @PhilsComputerLab - you should mention about max. capacity limitation on all DDR3 memory for LGA 775.
    Those boards WILL NOT support single sided 4GB memory (or high dense DRAM chips).
    Regardless of chipset you are using.

    • @bdhale34
      @bdhale34 5 років тому +3

      No Intel board supports that type of ram outside of perhaps enterprise (server/workstation) AMD consumer boards do though.

    • @GzeeBRII
      @GzeeBRII 5 років тому +4

      And forget about any 8GB sticks. They never post

    • @harbinger200
      @harbinger200 5 років тому +4

      Dual Sided Low density DDR3 ram modules of 4 GB work. Tested personally. DDR2 ram works too in dual sided version. 4x2GB gives you 8GB ram on DDR2. Its very good for Xeons.

    • @reyzafany1992
      @reyzafany1992 5 років тому

      @@harbinger200 where did you get the 4gb ddr2 low density memory?

    • @bitelaserkhalif
      @bitelaserkhalif 4 роки тому

      This also applies on lga1156 variations. Until lga1155, single sided 4gb ram cannot be used.
      Learned it kinda hard way.
      Basically, I owned HP Z200, wanted to upgrade it from 4gb to 8gb. Went online, bought second hand RAM, 2 stick of 4gb. One was dual sided, another one is single sided. It's working until I installed single sided 4gb. Bsod irql not equal.
      Then I thought the ram is faulty, sent back to seller. It turns out that seller actually said it's working. Replacement were sent, and single sided 4gb. Same deal. Seller suggested me to repair shop to test it. And it's working. Repair shop mobo used h61 chipset.
      The RAM now has been swapped to somebody else (aunt's pc), originally uses 2gb single sided. It uses h61.

  • @TeunisD
    @TeunisD 2 роки тому +1

    I am curious about the results of the benchmark when you did DDR3 1600 vs DDR 800? This is a question that would be interesting. And also if there is any difference in brands in any of these era's RAM sticks to find a general pattern for example in types of performances on specific tasks. Thanks Phil

    • @Pidalin
      @Pidalin Рік тому

      With socket 775, you would need Core 2 Extreme with 1600 MHz FSB to have compatibility with 1600 MHz DDR3 and these CPUs are very rare and expensive. Ofcourse you can take 1600 MHz sticks and overclock it to that 1600 MHz with standard Core 2 CPU, but I have very bad experiences with OC on socket 775 boards with DDR3 rams, it's just not stable.

  • @Adzmataz
    @Adzmataz 3 роки тому +1

    This was interesting thanks Lga 775 was alot of fun. I've still got my old Q9650 on Gigabyte a EP45T-UD3LR mobo, oc'd to 4.06ghz with 16GB ddr3 oc'd to 1804mhz with a gtx 1660 running on my TV in my bedroom for rpg/survival games in bed with a wireless mouse and keyboard setup

  • @leotheevinci
    @leotheevinci 3 роки тому +1

    Hi, can I use 32gb of on my ASUS P5P43TD? It says on the spec that max cap is 16gb total, but can I use 4x8gb ddr3?

  • @christophejournoud2773
    @christophejournoud2773 5 років тому

    Hi Phil,
    Thanks for doing all that work on some old hardware and software. Actually in your brain you have certainly a big database of knowledge about that stuff :-).
    Speaking about DDR2, i have a HP DC7900 SFF with an E8400 C2D. The motherboard has 4 DDR2 slots with one 2Gb stick for now.
    The Technical Reference Guide tells about some ways of populating those slots. In particular it says that four 4Gb sticks can be used for a total of 16Gb. When i look at Aliexpress portal for buying 4Gb DDR2 PC2-6400 sticks, one says that the 4Gb are only for AMD and not INTEL, but according to the guide it seems that i could use 4 Gb sticks. Please, would you tell me what do you think about this ? And do you think that four 2Gb sticks which are not listed in the guide are OK ?
    Best regards

  • @Tc4ify
    @Tc4ify 3 роки тому +1

    BTW, does anybody know if there are any 775 boards that work with 8gb ddr3 modules? I know it's not likely, but the next gen 1156 ones also supposedly don't support those, yet many work with them just fine. I've already searched around for an answer, but haven't had any luck.

  • @VitorFernandesCouto
    @VitorFernandesCouto 4 роки тому +4

    Amazing , muito obrigado pela comparação, eu estava pensando em pegar um LGA775 DDR3 , But com este video pude ver que o investimento não compensa(ao menos por enquanto) . Não pretendo sair do LGA775

  • @danielson9579
    @danielson9579 5 років тому

    Whats the highest clock speed have you achived on a q9650 cpu with ddr3 instaled id really love to know :-)

  • @Matt08719801
    @Matt08719801 5 років тому

    Phil where did you get that asus from , i have a pile of P5G41t-mlx ddr3 asus motherboards and have had real good luck with them overall, in fact i call them the Best Half GHZ overclocker board, vs other micro atx boards in the catagory .

  • @yakacm
    @yakacm 4 роки тому +1

    I am trying to find a Maximum II Gene motherboard, the holy grail of uATX LGA 775 motherboards, funnily enough despite being P45 is DDR2?

  • @EndUser2090
    @EndUser2090 5 років тому +2

    My lenovo m58 ssf desktop has socket 775 and ddr3 but the form factor is BTX.

  • @LastExile1989
    @LastExile1989 4 роки тому

    I remember my old P3-UD3L most solid board. I bet it works. Should do a throwback build with it. Feels like I'm looking back at PIII bard from the early 2000s how the times have changed.

  • @robertt9342
    @robertt9342 5 років тому +2

    Kind of weird the number of PCI non-e slots there were on that one board with ddr3 slots. You would think they would use more pcie even just X1 slots.

  • @romanm.4763
    @romanm.4763 5 років тому +17

    It's always the same story about RAM performance. When new standart is presented it's always slower then predecessor on the same clock (eg 800MHz). But new RAM is capable to work on higher frequency, so their performance is the same on next clock step (eg DDR2-800 vs DDR3-1066).
    Thank you for your videos!

  • @VitorFernandesCouto
    @VitorFernandesCouto 4 роки тому +1

    Brother, you can say if this DDR3 decreases CPU usage ?

  • @aljaurez
    @aljaurez 5 років тому

    hi, i have a q9650 and motherboard asus P5G41TM_LX3 with 4gb ram ddr3 1333mhz in dual channel, and rx 580 8gb, but when i play overwatch it has some bad stuttering and its just not playable, any advice on how to fix it?

  • @FiLiMa_
    @FiLiMa_ 5 років тому +30

    I was given a G41 ASUS board and I was really surprised it was DDR3. I've been rocking that board ever since I abandoned trying to run an eGPU through an Express card slot. It worked ok, but it just seemed off.
    Phil, I have a E5450 coming for my LGA 775, and a RX 580 is coming back to me from RMA. I ended up getting a Firepro V5800 to hold me through when my RX 580 was off for RMA. It did pretty well for a 1 GB card based on the HD 5770.
    I'm excited to see how well the E5450 and RX 580 do together. Depending on the game, my current Q8400 wasn't even a bottleneck for the RX 580.
    Anyways, thanks for doing all of this testing Phil!

    • @joshuarichards2421
      @joshuarichards2421 5 років тому +4

      Ah, good ole' Q8400, I'm running the same proc, got it for $5 at a thrift store... (In a dead system, lol)
      It's surprisingly fast for only a 2.66ghz chip. Haven't had a single CPU bottleneck with my Radeon HD 7950... Which I got for $15 at the same thrift store...(OC'd into a R9 280... Same card, new model number... silly AMD. Blew my mind to find out my $15 card was Vulkan and DX12 capable.)

    • @danielbeaston
      @danielbeaston 5 років тому +1

      I am using 8gb ddr2 with q8400 on a librebootable gigbyte board with a 1030 gt

    • @BroniranEnotBG
      @BroniranEnotBG 5 років тому +1

      Michael Zander Currently I have e5450 @ 3ghz, 8gb dd3, 650w psu. Im thinking to put gtx 1060 6gb, is this an optimal choice for this processor. If non, can you recommend me proper video card.

    • @FiLiMa_
      @FiLiMa_ 5 років тому

      @@BroniranEnotBG So the RX 580 is equalish to the GTX 1060. It really depends on the games you plan to play. CPU intense games like Battlefield and Battlefront II the CPU has a hard time and I could only at those games on low @ 720p War Thunder, however, I was playing Airplanes at 2k @ 45 - 55 fps. I currently have a Firepro V5800 1 GB, like HD Radeon 5770, and have to play 1080p on low to get the same FPS.
      I have a Q9505s with a GT 1030 upstairs and my son somehow plays No Man's Sky with some studdering, I assume on low settings.
      If you plan on upgrading from your CPU to a Ryzen or I5 or something, then I would get the GTX 1060. If you are sticking with the Q8400 I would look at maybe a GTX 1050 or something on the used market with 2 or more GB of RAM and that is at least directx11 capable. I, myself, eventually want to upgrade my computer because I feel that my RX 580 is bottlenecked by my CPU.

    • @TheNeroScout
      @TheNeroScout 5 років тому +3

      @@FiLiMa_ rx580 betteris than 1060..

  • @carpwhisperer1216
    @carpwhisperer1216 5 років тому +5

    I have a Q9650 and I'm planning on buying 16Gb of DDR3 RAM with much tighter timings. Should be fun to see the improvements even if slight

    • @tonybyrne4201
      @tonybyrne4201 5 років тому +1

      I have same CPU with a GA-EP45T-USB3P board and 16GB Ram F3-1600C8Q-16GAB

    • @ronnie3626
      @ronnie3626 Рік тому

      can you tell me some of your results? I have a Q9550 and E5450 and still have 2x8GB Crucial Ballistix Sport DDR3 1600 in my 2nd system with 4790k. Thank you in advance :)

  • @ethanspaziani5269
    @ethanspaziani5269 3 роки тому

    Hey man I really love your Channel keep up the hard work but I'd like to point out that newer generation budget options really are probably better for longevity I'm sure you that you know that too but I got to admit I love seeing old Hardware at its maximum potential showing that it's still useful I really appreciate this I'm going to build a computer based on everything that you talked about in your videos I really appreciate your hard work and the time you take to make these videos I have a GTX 680 super overclock card if you'd like I would let you borrow it just to see what it's capable of and pair it with an equal processor if you're interested make sure to hit me up I also have an Intel Larrabee prototype that displays picture if you want to take a look at that too

  • @Sector001ked
    @Sector001ked 5 років тому +1

    Ive been told by a couple of PC techs (builders/IT services) that ASUS boards are pretty much garbage these days. I do not know this from personal experience, but just observations from others. Excellent channel!

  • @florianbeckmann6622
    @florianbeckmann6622 4 роки тому

    could you recomend a 775 motherboard which is compatibel with xeon processors and ddr3 ram(min 8GB) also one that can overclock and all that shouldn´t be too expensive

  • @PearComputingDevices
    @PearComputingDevices 5 років тому +1

    I enjoyed this video, don't be so hard on yourself. You produce quality over quantity. That's something I admire. That's a pretty good deal on ram, I have 16 in my Dell XPS 8700. So, 8 isnt too shabby. But, I would have thought ddr2 would outperform ddr3 because of the lower clocks. It's not huge and yes you can overclock it but the gains are very minimal. The advantage of going with DDR3 on C2D based systems should be capacity, not so much speed and my memory served me correct. The higher clocked ddr2 is faster in most cases if by a hair. Again, this could be easily tweaked but for us prebuilt systems, it's good to know the facts before a plunge.

  • @HatlabuFarkas
    @HatlabuFarkas 5 років тому

    so i think about the Socket 478, and FSB 800 linked with DDR2 800 Mhz, u got it ?
    Take the time u need.

  • @ax-50
    @ax-50 5 років тому

    Hey you have Vaskey RAMs! I wonder if it is worth it to buy Vaskey? Because it is "THE CHEAPEST 4GB DDR3 RAM" in the online market (Lazada Malaysia) :/ Thinking of upgrading my Dell Precision T3500 into a fully gaming and multitasking machine.... Since the T3500 has 6 DDR3 slots and rocking a Xeon E5504 LGA 1366 on it, will the Vaskey be worth my money for performance per dollar? Btw the Vaskey in Lazada were not rated yet by customers

    • @philscomputerlab
      @philscomputerlab  5 років тому

      So at the moment I have two kits, 2x8 GB DDR3 1600 and 2x4 GB DDR3 1600. The one shown in this video looks a bit nicer, has cooler. The 8GB modules are plain, no cooling, but otherwise no problem. I have used the 2x8GB modules in several videos now and they have been working great :)

  • @ZeroHourProductions407
    @ZeroHourProductions407 5 років тому

    Would an intel x48 motherboard be worth the cost for a q6600?

  • @sma50484
    @sma50484 5 років тому

    Could you do something like this for old platforms. A lot of old DOS computers use a Socket 7 board which feature EDO and SD Ram. Are you interested in doing the same comparison for those two types?

    • @philscomputerlab
      @philscomputerlab  5 років тому

      I'm sure I'll do a video on this at some point, but not any time soon I'm afraid.

  • @josefpotmesil8278
    @josefpotmesil8278 5 років тому +1

    Great vid also had this motherboard

  • @ND22M
    @ND22M 5 років тому

    Phil how about the E8000 series? They are dual cores with 1333 FSB. Do they benefit from DDR3 or no?

  • @agheelahmed
    @agheelahmed 3 роки тому

    well i have e7500 and ih ave 2x2gb ram for ddr3 and i have 4x1gb for ddr2 shouldi buy ddr3 motherboard ?

  • @virtualtools_3021
    @virtualtools_3021 3 роки тому +1

    In US on ebay i often find 9,99$ optiplex 380 boards with ddr3 and quad support, but they are Dell BTX form factor, and take some tinkering to use outside of a dell case

  • @areastudiopropcgaming8674
    @areastudiopropcgaming8674 5 років тому

    What heatsink and power supply to use with Q6600. I got Q6700 but reach 58'C idle on intel stock. I cant use standart 450watt PSU too. It Restarting randomly. I switch to E7500 works perfectly.

  • @sixtyinsix
    @sixtyinsix 5 років тому

    My gaming pc for many years (purchased used) was a ddr3 Intel motherboard with an X3370 3.0 GHz quad core CPU. It performed so strong I kept it through several GPU upgrades.

  • @linchester8464
    @linchester8464 5 років тому +2

    Interesting findings with DDR2 vs DDR3
    the issue with using DDR3 based LGA775 board is the price of these boards are pretty steep
    I got a X48 Asus board but it cost me over 200 USD
    I used the Q9650 CPU with the X48 chipset board, although the board supports 1600MHz RAM and above.
    it failed to boot with 4x2GB sticks of DDR3 1600MHz Samsung chip RAM which were taken out from HP OEM PCs
    I dont have 2x4GB sticks to confirm but will one day test it out with either a higher end CPU like the Xeon CPUs are try OCing the FSB
    pairing my Q9650 and 8GB of DDR3 with a GTX 960 4GB for some retro gaming

  • @ajs2120
    @ajs2120 5 років тому +9

    I always found the C2D and C2Q processors to perform best with 800MHz DDR2.

    • @greatwavefan397
      @greatwavefan397 2 роки тому

      Could you further elaborate? I'm also planning a C2Q build with 800Mhz DDR2 with the lowest latency I can find.

  • @LastExile1989
    @LastExile1989 5 років тому

    Had the P43-UD3L Loved that Motherboard.

  • @muhammadmubeenmubeen1661
    @muhammadmubeenmubeen1661 5 років тому +1

    Which machine should I buy

  • @detmer87
    @detmer87 5 років тому +2

    Main culprit is the memory controller itself and the additional latency since the memory controller is in the chipset. Anandtech also tested this back in the day and there is A LOT of performance to be gained is you tune the performance level. I had a 8GB DDR2 OCZ memory kit that was rated for 1150MHz CAS5 combined with a P45 chipset (DFI Lanparty motherboard) and a 333FSB strap (running 492FSB with a Q9650 @ 4.43GHz watercooled) with a very low performance level (read: very aggressive timings between the memory and the memory controller). It was about 1,5x faster than a motherboard running auto settings and some cheap DDR2 800 memory...

    • @philscomputerlab
      @philscomputerlab  5 років тому

      That sounds impressive. The best memory I have is rated for 1066 with 5-5-5-18 timings, but needs a bit extra voltage.

    • @rasz
      @rasz 5 років тому

      you should of said " 1,5x faster " in synthetic tests ;-)
      on non memory starved platforms its at most 5-10% FPS in games

  • @clintcolombin
    @clintcolombin 2 роки тому +1

    My preferred board, when I can find it, is the P5KC. has both DDR2 & DDR3 slots. Using the DDR3 slots on a Vista build & getting maximum performance from period Dominator sticks with manual timings

  • @JOAOPENICHE
    @JOAOPENICHE 4 роки тому +1

    Great video

  • @terminal2004
    @terminal2004 4 роки тому

    2:45 Why are the TWO SATA sockets using the same plastic socket interconnected?

  • @ВикторШишков
    @ВикторШишков 4 роки тому +5

    I have Q6600 on an Asus P35 mb with both DDR2 and DDR3. Used it with 8GB DDR2, then moved to 8GB DDR3 (obviously not both DDR2 and 3 at the same time). DDR3 did not amaze me, was faster but only in synthetic benchmarks and by a little bit. Took me quite a while to figure out why P35 could not run 16GB DDR3, but apparently you need P45

    • @Pidalin
      @Pidalin Рік тому

      I had also such MB (P35 platinum combo) and it just didn't work at all with DDR3, I tested like 4 diffrent rams, everything unstable, then I realized you need rams with no XMP profiles, frequency and CL must be native on that sticks, not thru XMP which these MBs don't support. But as you said, difference in performance is close to zero, DDR2 800 MHz vs DDR3 1333 MHz is the same, sometimes it's even better in some tests for DDR3. Socket 775 boards were not ready for DDR3 yet, DDR3 started to make since with 1600+ MHz with later sockets. Combination of socket 775 and DDR3 brings you just problems.

    • @ВикторШишков
      @ВикторШишков Рік тому

      @@Pidalin yes, I also later found that native CL must be supported and no XMP support in the mobo means extreme profiles don't kick in. I had bought some overclocker DDR3 only to find out it does not boot due to XMP missing and the RAM could not initiate at the DDR3 timings it expected. So that went into a Dell OEM mb, which booted it fine (newer chipset)

  • @tucker21222
    @tucker21222 5 років тому

    One thing I would definitely recommend is lots and lots of cooling you don't necessarily have to go with the loudest fan but one thing is is you want to work on your air flow typically a push-pull configuration there is an abundance of low blowing fans or what you would want to call High CFM fans with low noise around 25 decibels to 30 but 30 decibels is a little bit loud it all depends on your van configurations each computer case is different but if there is any way to put extra fans I would definitely recommend it and I would definitely recommend checking into pci slot coolers

  • @Uraim
    @Uraim 5 років тому

    1:02 do its core 2 quad q6600?? its better than my quad core celeron 2.39ghz

  • @mdrumt
    @mdrumt 5 років тому

    Great video! Got much in it really! Wonder if the x38/x48 chipset brings any difference. Expensive boards though most likely these days.

    • @smbu
      @smbu 5 років тому +1

      From reviews at the time, I don't think X38/X48 really made that much of a difference compared to P35/P45. I'm not sure how they would perform and if there would be any difference between ddr2/ddr3 though. A bad thing about the X38/X48 motherboards if you want one though is that they are not compatible with Xeon 5xxx series cpus. I currently have a Xeon X5460 in my old Gigabyte P35 board and was looking at trying to get an X48 one, but according to delidded.com others who have tested them say they aren't compatible. Not a problem if you are using a standard Core2 cpu though.
      www.delidded.com/lga-771-to-775-adapter/2/

    • @mdrumt
      @mdrumt 5 років тому

      @@smbu Cheers man! Love tinkering with this old gear 🙂

  • @LightSoundGate
    @LightSoundGate 5 років тому +11

    I use ASUS P5Q Pro with DDR2 at 840 MHz and Xeon 5440 at 3570 MHz. Chip is also undervolted and cold. Not my main PC, just for fun.

    • @1madmaxx80
      @1madmaxx80 4 роки тому +1

      Running a p5q dlx with q9550 @ 3.78 445x8.5, 4 x 2GB ocz Reapers @ 533. CPU:RAM = 5:6

    • @komradkat1073
      @komradkat1073 3 роки тому

      Running P5 deluxe with q6600 ( bsel mod 3 ghz ) and 4gb of ddr2 839mhz

  • @tylerpontius7377
    @tylerpontius7377 5 років тому

    are you sure you were runnng in dual channel? i have the P45 version of the board you used and it looks like they have the same staggered
    configuration of the DIMM slots

    • @philscomputerlab
      @philscomputerlab  5 років тому

      RTFM :)

    • @tylerpontius7377
      @tylerpontius7377 5 років тому

      ​@@philscomputerlabdoes DIMM slot color not determine which slot goes to which channel?

    • @philscomputerlab
      @philscomputerlab  5 років тому

      @@tylerpontius7377 Not always. So best is to RTFM!

  • @reyzafany1992
    @reyzafany1992 5 років тому

    Hello @PhilsComputerLab have you ever tried a high density ddr2 ram on high end mainstream lga 775 motherboard to check if Intel or motherboard manufacturers ever supported them? This is one of your best video that interest me building home pc using old lga 775 xeon!

    • @philscomputerlab
      @philscomputerlab  5 років тому +1

      No and I don't think I will to be honest, I will do a few more 775 videos, but the value for modern usage is not there anymore. And for retro gaming, 4GB RAM is perfectly fine!

    • @reyzafany1992
      @reyzafany1992 5 років тому

      @@philscomputerlabah I see, well I guess I'll be putting it on normal core 2 quad cpus just so I can easily mod my Playstation 2 HDD that still use IDE connection. Maybe I'm gonna wait for better valued used ryzen for my next gaming pc.

  • @VikingDudee
    @VikingDudee 5 років тому

    I still have a Q6600 system on a locked board, Did the Bsel mod with a piece of tape to make it run at 3ghz which helped for some games that the family plays on it.

  • @see-sharp
    @see-sharp Рік тому

    Sorry if this is a dumb question but why q6600 instead of q9400?

  • @Tracer847
    @Tracer847 4 роки тому

    Hi my friend can I ask you something;; who do you think is the best processor for 775 (Xeon X5640 or Q9650 ?)

    • @ROFT
      @ROFT 4 роки тому

      X5640 is lga1366. An X5460/70 would work with an adapter for lga775. No idea which is better but the Xeon is cheaper.

    • @Tracer847
      @Tracer847 4 роки тому

      @@ROFT thank you very much!!👌

  • @ZonaALG
    @ZonaALG 5 років тому

    Nice to know information

  • @garchamp9844
    @garchamp9844 7 місяців тому

    How about RAM matched for the CPUs FSB? The real comparison in my mind would be DDR2-667 vs. DDR3-1333 for a 1333 FSB chip like an E8600, or DDR2-800 vs. DDR3-1600 for something like a QX9770.

  • @GTFour
    @GTFour 3 роки тому +2

    I think it you’d see a much larger difference with a heavily overclocked E8600 and fast DDR3 matched to the FSB speed. You could demonstrate difference by just lowering the ram speed in bios on one system . Pair with fastest graphics card to show bottleneck.

  • @ltlk937
    @ltlk937 5 років тому +4

    Its been my experience that on those old boards running the CORE2 processors that DDR3 performance difference was negligible at best. Partly because the CPU simply could not handle the additional bandwidth.

    • @kognak6640
      @kognak6640 5 років тому +3

      FSB is heavy bottleneck and you really can't increase it that much. To match just bandwidth of 1066MHz dualchannel memory, FSB needs to hit 533. Only handful of boards could do that. Moving memory controller into CPU gave massive performance boost in memory sensitive applications like games. I got double framerate in witcher 3 going from 3.8GHz C2Q to 3.8GHz 1st gen Core(both xeons). Xeon 34xx 4c8t make really good ultra-budget cpu when overclocked. You can pair it with something like GTX970/1060 and have solid 60fps at 1080p in most of the games, even newest ones.

    • @Gamevet
      @Gamevet 5 років тому

      @@kognak6640 Try Watchdogs with that setup. It'll tank hard.

    • @kognak6640
      @kognak6640 5 років тому

      @@Gamevet Looks like OCed X3440 can do 60+ fps in that game. Notice E5450 which is same as Core2Quad.
      ua-cam.com/video/J7_yhFCab38/v-deo.html

    • @ND22M
      @ND22M 5 років тому

      Phil how about the E8000 series? They are dual cores with 1333 FSB. Do they benefit from DDR3 or no?

    • @kognak6640
      @kognak6640 5 років тому +3

      @@ND22M Actual clockspeed is 333 because FSB is quadbumped(4bits per clock). Dualchannel DDR2-667 can provide same bandwidth. FSB is 64bit so it can transfer 8bytes per cycle, 1333 x 8 is 10664MB/s. A DDR memory channel is also 64bit but since there's two of them, it can transfer 16bytes. 667 x 16 = 10672MB/s. Higher clockspeed however can lower latency if timings are increased relatively less so it's possible to make some gains with ddr3 if overall latency is better.

  • @histrigaming7344
    @histrigaming7344 2 роки тому +3

    So I got a Asus p5q-e Motherboard plus a q9650 from Work, bought 8 GB of RAM DDR2-800mhz for 20 Euro and added my old HD 5750 aswell as an ssd
    it actually runs windows 10 pretty snappy and its great for some lightweight gaming (Csgo at fhd, Witcher 3 at 720p low)
    Of cause DDR3 would be a nice Upgrade, but If you use this platform, you are probably on a budget and DDR2 RAM is way cheaper
    Btw nice video :)

    • @36OZ
      @36OZ 2 роки тому

      Ddr2? I pity you

  • @nitrax8629
    @nitrax8629 5 років тому +3

    Personally I'd just go with a DDR2 system in this case, the boards are much easier to find. That being said, the reduced power consumption of DDR3 modules is especially noticeable in laptops - ones with DDR2 tend to get very warm around the memory area!