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- Опубліковано 7 сер 2023
- Uh oh... are we about to enter a new GPU Apocalypse era?
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The AI industry may not have the same mining waves as crypto, but there will also be a LOT of startups that go bust, so the resale market might be pretty active. The hype in the AI industry is absolutely bonkers with companies spending tens of millions on hardware they don't even have a plan for.
When crypto value went down it did for every miner and the GPUs became attractive only to gamers, if an AI startup fails because of a shitty idea or business model another one will be willing and able to pay a lot more than any gamer ever could for those used GPUs
Hardware that in a couple of years down the line will be obsolete, not like gaming cards that can last you a long time if you are willing to turn down graphic settings
@@zDToddy Buying used hardware normally is less beneficial to a business vs an individual. Business buy new to ensure valid warranties, support, and least risk of bad product. It also is much easier to qualify for tax breaks paying full price and racking up the business expense than trying to save a nickel on a used PC of hardware.
The AI industry requires absurd power than your typical GPU cannot deliver.
there is a lot of true ai projects in crypto some of the most profitable up and coming cryptos are ai projects. profits are very small right now to the miners just in the last week Dynex went from .65 cents to a 1.26. some of the cryptos are starting to wake up and move up.
The countless gold rushes have taugth me that there will always be a bubble that bursts. As AI grows, I can only imagine the lobbying for regulations for this kind of stuff.
That's what I think the smaller countries will ban it at first but the likes of America, China, Russia, UK won't because they always carry it on. But unless government regulate it they'll only do it for the individual not a big corp though, unless the people demand it
next wave emulation on your phone of game pass if gpus get shortage
AI replaces things. So it won't go away in the near future. The AI, that encounters us in our daily life can completely run on next GEN CPU accelerators. Only for people running into a bottleneck there, a GPU for AI makes sense. And most of those people will prefer cloud solutions, because it is usually more cost-efficient and easier scalable. Things might change with LLMs, but those are usually provided as a service and not mend to be run on your local computer. So I don't see are large bubble there. But I agree that it is a hype just because it is new for most people.
In any gold rush, the best thing to do is sell shovels
AI does not exist and probably never will, you are being fed a lie
This is probably a good chunk of the reason why nvidia have so tight with vram on their consumer cards. AI needs a lot of vram and they want people buying for AI to be spending on the much higher margin dedicated AI and compute cards.
RTX 3060 12gb is a savior
It's sad that they just hop on these short-term trends instead of catering to their most stable customers - gamers.
AI is not a short term trend Nvidia is hopping on. Nvidia has been developing CUDA for a long time and actively involved in AI research@@l4kr .
AI is going to be very big in next 10-15 years.
No, Its quite different I am afraid, Realistically there are a few separate parts to what makes a card expensive 1- Chip itself, the issue here is all chips that are the same nm/size cost the same regardless of specs, you are paying for how many chips fit on a wafer, and how many chips are defective and need extra processing to be recycled. Its basically how many good chips that can be produced within a given period, time = money. 2- Board and components like VRAM, cost has nothing to do with this VRAM cost the same as RAM chips to produce the difference is they are profiled differently during production VRAM is low Latency at the cost of High Bandwidth, RAM is High Bandwidth at the cost of Latency - This is NVidias way of Artificially producing product stacks by altering the config of the board it allows NVidia to control the Chips potential, simply by lowering or eliminating Voltage control, lowering VRAM and the controllers performance you can tier products into your market segments. 3- Cooler costs
The most important thing I think is not the performance of the cards, but the increasing amount of RAM they have. Most of the time, AI models take a lot of RAM (especially the latest boom of LLMs). Also, nvidia launched a line of "hobbyist" AI GPUs. They still cost like a 4090 or more so many people would still go with consumer great GPUs.
Jay is also not taking into account Elon Musk's new "Dojo Chip". 6x the performance (potentially 18x or more) at 6x lower cost. Once he goes mass market, NVIDIA isn't going to be selling their AI GPUs anymore.😛
@@millanferende6723 I guarantee you it will not 😭😭
@@millanferende6723elon musk HAHAHAHHAHA
@@millanferende6723That's a no, boss.
My thoughts exactly. I need more VRAM for projects and running a lot of LoDs
I feel like a lot of people misunderstand that despite AI cards not being useful for gaming, the silicon production capacity is all gonna go towards AI cards. The opportunity cost of making gaming GPUs becomes greater, and thus they get more expensive.
Nvidia Tesla P100, eBay for around $300 would offer far more benefit to anyone wanting to attempt AI on a desktop. Using consumer cards for this purpose, is not going to happen. Until it's been tried, it seems to make sense as they're both GPUs after all. However, they're totally different and those datacenter cards, don't have shaders or direct-X support. It's like saying which tyres are best for driving a fire truck, in a formula one race. Good luck racing a fire truck against a formula one!
I'm thinking that this shortage won't last much longer, but only because I'm basing this off of or moving manufacturing to Mexico instead of going through China, China was the top producer of these cards all around the world, but if we can have them created closer nearby our country, and it can be done for cheaper than China, I could see the prices of a lot of different things becoming much cheaper, this will boost the economy of Mexico and the prices will naturally go down because suddenly they're much closer so when it comes to the trading routes it's less expensive, and number two is because that country needs production, and because they're near america, it will absolutely benefit us to do that, so a lot of American companies are moving to Mexico in order to produce whatever they produce and that's already helping, now the word is that some Chinese companies are also moving to Mexico because they don't want to lose out on that market, so they are willing to go the expense of creating a company in Mexico in order to keep their customers in America, but with the intentions of war going on on that other side of the world, this could also be a bad thing depending on how it's said and done, but if all else goes well, we could see a significantly better outcome to our overall economy once that takes place.
opportunity cost... What. Its called supply and demand. Making up phrases..
@@SupraSav he's not making up anything - Opportunity cost is the best term to use here. First sentence from the opportunity cost article on Wikipedia: "the opportunity cost of a choice is the value of the best alternative forgone where, given limited resources, a choice needs to be made between several mutually exclusive alternatives".
Exactly, Opportunity Cost is the key word. Simple but powerful economic term that shouldn't be underestimated.
Hey Jay just wanted to say that because of you and LTT i picked up a 3080 used under market price because you knew that Nvidia would inflate the market values of their products so even when producing videos like this I want to make you aware that your purchasing advice does not indeed fall onto deaf ears and the masses are not a reprsentation of how your community views your content. We need people to be a voice for us to be heard so that companies such as Nvidia/Amd/Intel can understand where we the consumer stand and I for one am proud that you can be our voice.
Yah same for me bought a used 3080 Evga ftw3 rip for $500 back in December
Same here Jay (same sentiment, I did not score 3080 for $500, but I did get my son an open box 4080 at micro-center for $1050 a couple months back)
Jay be Jay, that gives the rest of us a chance to not be ripped off!
🙉🙈🙊
You seem to misunderstand. Nvidia doesn’t give a shit about you. They only care about your money and the maximum amount that they can charge and you will still pay.. The only voice they listen to is money. Speak with your wallet.
I picked up a barely used 3080 in the height of the release and frenzy when you couldnt get them, inside a rig with the rest of the high end shiz for a flat grand. Well under the Msrp on the 3080 inside. The mining craze was very over hyped by youtubers. They only fed the flames of it.
@@mrwashur1991and which company does not??since they relies on the money
Rtx4070 was a good choice for me, who had a 1070 for 7 years.
I like to go for the newest options and then have my rig for a long time.
Hopefully in a few years, the prices wont be crazy.
Good job. Hard thing to do for most people
Yeah i love to have rig for a long time it lets you appreciate your tech. Same with mirrorless / dslr cameras for me
i also had a 1070 for many years. I got it at launch. During late covid I got lucky on one of those newegg shuffles and got a 3070. 650bucks. Keeping the 3070 for a long time.
Managed snag an rtx 4090 the other day. I'm still in actual shock!
Still running my 1060 6gb to this day.
So I got my 4090 specifically for high quality rendering for blender and unreal engine. What I saw during the time is that EVERYONE that had lower end cards were yelling at me for making a dumb choice. “4090 catch fire” “4090 had low perform stuff.” Not only did I get none of these issues, but now people are buying the 4090 and shaming those who don’t. What is with PC builders being so judgmental!?!??!
Lol , right? I recently built a new pc with a 7800X3d with a RX 7900XTX and I had people try and shame me for not buying a 4080 or a much more expensive 4090. I'm personally very happy with my system. I built my first watercooling loop on both CPU and GPU I only game on this machine and the games look and play great.
You either gotta fire back just as aggressively or just disengage from the community entirely if you want to get anywhere these days
It's ok, there's always Zork or original Doom or Monkey Island - games that don't require much gpu power.
Don’t forget Larry the Lounge Lizard….
Just get a Certified Refurbished Steam Deck 64 for $US 319, put a bigger drive in it and play BG3 on that, runs fine as far as I've heard. And you'll probably be busy doing that until the apocalypse is over :D
Or enter VR with a Quest headset and enjoy the Awesome... basically same advice as two years ago XD
But yeah, there's literally a TON of older games that are absolutely worth playing. Give them a try if you haven't yet. There's so many options, it doesn't have to be the newsest, shiniest and brightest.
There is a massive backlog of good, old games, that's true. Another solution is to not care about having triple digit FPS numbers and - in the case of developers - stop chasing high-fidelity graphics and focus solely on gameplay.
Actually, and I'm not kidding, there's a PLETHORA of indie games that are pretty good. And they inherently respect the old selling model: You give money, they give finalized working game (with caveats of EA and bug fixing along the way since now we can do that).
I got myself a bunch yesterday, ScourgeBringer, Slay the Spire, Noita, Cuphead. Gifted 2 to my gf.
This is coming from someone who loves realistic graphics. But as things are today, not just the industry but our (not USA) country, after switching to Linux 2 weeks ago and now seeing what I could play that didn't require online and anticheats, I thought why not give these smaller games a try. They even weigh less than 1GB!
Trust ME (bro), I totally get it if you're not into these. But I'd suggest people to give them a try. What's 5 dollars or less in comparison to 70 dollars for an unfinished buggy game that looks good because of lighting but has no meat in its bones because the gameplay it's just garbage?
I was personally looking for something like a cheap MegaMan. I've never played MegaMan, but didn't know which one was the good one(s) and didn't know if I bought say, 2, needed to play 1 first because of the story. But got myself all the rest that kinda feel that space. Also installed others that I already had but didn't give a proper try. Kingdoms and Castles! (I'm being invaded by Vikings right now, so when I get into my save again, I'll probably lose the hamlet).
so tell me this, would woodchuck chuck wood if woodchuck could chuck wood?
I built a computer 8 full years ago, but things are just so expensive I am not looking to upgrade unless something fails
I hear how prices have came down, but then I go check out what a GPU is going for now and quickly get scared away. I don't see it ever getting any better.
@@WTR28what is a GPU going for now? Serious question.
Just throw a 3060ti in there and you'll probably be good for another 5-8 years if you don't need the maximum. I was running an overclocked 3rd gen as my main until just 2 years ago and with a 1080 it ran everything just fine, except for DCS World and especially MSFS which definitely needs more than 4 CPU threads. 3rd gen is 11 years old by now.
You would be happy with a 600 dollar PC. I rode my old 4790k for about that long before upgrading and didn't regret it one bit. It's still great for youtube but it bottlenecks a 3080 pretty hard. That was my catalyst for upgrading to 12th gen and then 13th.
8 years ago? Dang... she's slow ha
Decided to pull the trigger on a 7900 XT I had been eyeing for awhile prior to this video being uploaded, and I'm very happy with it. My main concern was VR gaming not being up to snuff, but apparently one of the most recent driver updates AMD put out addressed that very thing, and the price was significantly lower than launch.
Sure, I don't have access to DLSS anymore, but it's really incredible what the *extra* 12 GB of VRAM headroom over my previous 3070 Ti has done for my existing games.
I heard that gpu has a lot of bugs? Is that true?
Got one and no "bugs". But you need a powerful cpu to drive it. My 9900k barely does the job, but i'll ugprade at the end of the year to something like a 7800x3d or Intel equivalent.@@zzz-cb3xe
pulled the trigger on a 7900xtx(from a 5700xt) at MSRP months ago, and I hope to not need to upgrade for a VERY LONG time, and not deal with whats coming. Best of luck to my fellow gamers out there for the future
would that one suffice (or a 4090) for the next 5 years of 4k/60 gaming?
@putyograsseson Game developers tend to always use available resources, if a new GPU comes out there will be graphics settings that max it. No such thing as future proofing.
@@Takyodor2 So you say that a 4090 won’t be able to play upcoming titles from 2024/25/26 in 4k/60/ultra?
Well, let’s see then!
@@putyograsseson I'd say it depends on Nvidias release schedule; if they focus on AI and don't release a consumer GPU for a while, then game devs might chill a bit on GPU requirements. If Nvidia drop a 5090 in 2025 that's 50% more powerful than the 4090, I'm assuming the heavier games by then target 4k/60/ultra on a 5090, which will make the 4090 struggle quite a bit. Your previous comment said "5 years" though, so just replace "4090" with "2080ti", that's probably a realistic estimation of how the 4090 will perform 5 years from now (relatively speaking).
I wonder if this may be the reason we are hearing AMD has decided not to focus on high end RDNA 4 and only mid range. Maybe they would rather allocate that production to the professional/server grade chips.
hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
The word is AMD is having seemingly unending issues with the top stack of RDNA 4 causing multiple other project teams to have to help out much to the detriment of all of those projects. They now just have a zombie team working on it in case there is a breakthrough but AMD has sent their teams packing back to their original projects and to ensure the mid range of RDNA 4 stays on track.
Think of RDNA 4 as RDNA 3.5. It's going to improve everything including Ray Tracing performance and efficiency but there won't be a top stack. In fact it's just like the RDNA 1 launch. It was a success even though it didn't compete at the very top end. Then AMD was able to launch a very successful RDNA 2. It looks like that's what AMD is hoping for. The word is RDNA 5, so far, is on track.
These decisions btw were made very recently making your theory impossible. TSMC won't change allocation like that in such short notice. This is exactly what happened with RDNA 3. TSMC couldn't change allocation and AMD was forced to launch with a flawed product.
Moore's Law is Dead just released all this info like an hour ago.
No that is due to AMD not been able to compete at the (ultra) high end.
Have the halo product in your line up has ALWAYS been beneficial not having a top tier card is not a plus.
No. They are re-doing what they did with RDNA1 to RDNA2. They stopped at mid-range RDNA1 and focused on a full line-up for RDNA2.
Since they don't want to re-live what happened with the launch and bad sales of RDNA3, they will only go up to Mid-Tier RNDA3 and focus their resources on further developing RNDA5. Keep in mind RDNA5 is already in developement, soo they will need Engineers to work on that, in order to deliver a well-designed product.
It is a wise choise from AMD imho. I'd rather they take the time and resources to develope a healthy GPU line-up, just like they did with their Ryzen CPUs. Not saying that AM5 CPUs had the very best start, but the last AM4 generation was a banger!
@@csabahorvath7203successful RDNA 2 😂 thats why all stores had ridiculous clearence prices to get rid of stock
people try to put AMD’s incompetence in a positive light all the time
Don't forget one of the issues in the shortage is the substrate that is used in the H-class gpus is in short supply.
honestly makes me want to re-embrace console gaming and to live out my days on PC playing all the older gaming classics that I've missed in the last 30 years.
I'm planning on doing this. Never played bioshock for example.
I feel like if you want to make pc gaming worth it you have to be able to resist the temptation to upgrade often. Only then will it be cheaper (and still better quality wise) compared to console. I'm trying to change my behaviour in this regard. Build a great pc that outperforms the current consoles and only upgrade when the new consoles come out.
I upgraded from i7 6700K, GTX1080Ti to R7 5800X, RTX 3080 last october/november, and i am more and more glad that i did
@@bigfutus awesome. Do the same in 5 years and you're golden
i mean there are SO MANY GAMES for pc that look good, even older ones look like a blast on 4k... and older games arent bad just because they are old... this is pc gaming...
and if you got a good card now, you can play future games aswell, a 6950xt is 600 euros... im sure it will last a bit
@@Marco-pf3te in my opinion: dont buy the newest generation of graphics card, look for price to performance, buy used with warranty and a trusted source and sell your GPU, put 30 dollars away per month and you have a nice powerful pc all the time... you dont need the newest and best for nice graphics... 6950xt for example is a perfect card for 4k gaming with a good price...
and im sure this card will be there for 2 years and can play new games with nice graphics... and in 2 years new graphics card generation comes out, sell gpu buy rtx 4000 or amd 7000
I get that new cards will be harder but the resale market will have to pick up the slack. That might be good for the little guy trying to dump cards or upgrade.
Plus if the testing pc only need minimal maybe older cards can be bought for that.
I love you Jay. May not always see eye to eye but I appreciate your TwoCentz (hurrrrr hurrr) and willingness to stick your neck out for the community. You and Steve are a godsend and have helped me so much. Keep it going and keep it real man.
Manufacturing capacity at the fabs is a concern. When chip designers reserve allocation at the fab, it’s not exclusive to a product line. Gaming chips will be sidelines so the designer can shunt production to the AI chips. That will be what causes the real shortage
source? the fab's gotta know how much material is going to be needed per design per allocation to charge accordingly, so it may not be that cut and dry. like imagine asking Ford to make you 1000 vehicles and signing the contract and paying, 800 lorries and 200 cars, then going "actually make that 1000 lorries fuck the cars lol" mid-way through production
That is actually possible in the case of semiconductor manufacturing. But definitely not midaway through production. But nowadays the leads times at TSMC are several months rather than days liek befroe so it may actually be more than feasible.
They need to charge more so they can expand. This is the real issue. They are not charging amd and nvidia enough.
@@glebglub semiconductors cant be compared to a car companie in this reguard...at tsmc you order a number of wafers per month, one wafer is a disc with ( for example) 30cm in diameter. what you put on this wafer is your thing...can be one massive chip and the rest gets cut away, wich is bad for your yield rate, or you can put 100s of small chips on it, wich benefits you, because you can use more space on the wafer. tsmc needs only to change out the masks for the layers. you as a costumer allways buy for the entire wafer, not for what you produce on it.
I was working in a computer shop right before the shortage and was able to see it coming. Picked up a 1660s for cost (only a little less than msrp. margins are so small for stuff like that). I felt really good about it at the time, was a big jump from my 760 but im already starting to feel see some bad dips in fps with newer titles. This video has me a tad concerned. Was hoping prices would come down not go up again :(
good job man getting what you need and not wasting money on something you don't need👍
@@SaraMorgan-ym6ue If you bought something it's because you need it. You can't buy something you don't need even on a small scale therefore there's no such thing as wasting money.
@@ryanbuena959 I love you to baby😘
I'm currently running a 3070ti with a very outdated CPU (9700K) and have a rebuild all planned out. Well...I did until your reveals of ASUS made me change my choice of motherboard ;-)
Anyway I was planning on keeping the 3070ti for the new build but, having crunched some numbers, a 4070 paired with a 13600K would see me get a hell of a boost compared to running the 3070ti with the 13600K, plus they're still selling the FE which I like the most. I was planning to compromise and build the new rig with the 3070ti then upgrade later, but now...?
As someone who works in programming and knows others in the field, there has been an influx of gpu purchases for AI development of all sizes over the last year. It definitely will ramp up. Personally I have a 3070 and 6700xt in my main rigs and play non AAA games at 1440p so I have little incentive to upgrade, but some future projects will incorporate ML and I’ll most likely need to purchase a few cards to build a new workstation for testing.
I don’t think it will be nearly as bad as the crypto gpu shortage but with the current market already being ridiculously overpriced I suspect malicious pricing and artificial demand numbers in the future so it may be time to get a card if you can afford it and have been putting it off.
I got my 6700xt about 4 months ago, and don't plan on upgrading until amd comes out with their 8th gen radeon cards
I bought a RTX 3070 2 months ago and it has been a solid card I do think people exaggerate the 8GB vram not being enough.
The prices have more to do with monopolies, over regulation and inflation from our government then ai purchases but thats another topic for another day.
@@chills5100
Depends on what resolution you are playing at and settings. 1080p you will be fine for pretty much anything. 2k some games you will need to lower a few settings down, 4k will need settings lowered and some things may not work right.
Real issue is games today are just so poorly optimized. They should not be this demanding. Most games are ports (poorly made ports) from hardware that's med/low budget of about 4-5 years ago (consoles)
You already see it in apartment listings. One company's AI software alone has resulted in 15-20% rent increases just this last year, nationwide. It adjusts prices hourly and can inflate a market within days if more than about 1/3 of companies use the software. All of this is pure hell for us who rent, but pure profit for these rental corporations that run our lives. In some cities, like where I live, 90%+ of all rentals are corporate owned and almost all of the rest are also using this software to try to complete. So rents went up by $400 a month in one year due to "market demand". Across the entire city, with only a handful of exceptions. Mind, you, this is an urban area of over three million people and pay as well as vacancy rates haven't budged one bit. It's all AI manipulation.
And that's just one industry, since the word is out.
Basically the old meme:
Idea / ???? / Profit!
Has become:
Idea / AI / Profit!
For 90% of small and medium business CEOs.
I do feel for those, who will be looking to build a pc during significant price hikes, especially anyone with a smaller budget. I delayed my own build because of the crypto & covid price hikes until recently, when the situation in the mid-range market had just dipped its toes back into the "recovery" range.
Since I completed my latest build fairly recently, I'm in the lucky position to not need to be building a new PC anytime soon. My previous build served me decently well for 10 years. Barring unexpected failures I have no reason to assume, that the current build won't be able to last me as long. So I'd ride this "AI-pocalypse" out for as long as I possibly can.
It will also be interesting to see what this means for the next generation of MS & Sony consoles.
On a more positive note: This might also do something "good" for parts of gaming industry, since it might make >>some
Same boat here. Just built my pc. Feels good lol
Same here, my 7900 xtx should last me for a couple years.
im over here with my 1070 and 6600k. tried to upgrade once but gpus sold out instantly. guess ill be chilling with this for a while longer
Buying guns vs gpu hmmmm obvious
@Pill-pilled that's easy... buy both. Ammo prices are slowly coming back down as well, so get more of that, too.
I was actually going to wait another year to update my 2060 super, but at the thought of the prices going back up again I went ahead and pulled the trigger on a rx 6750 xt
Don't worry about, I think you will do alright Jay.
Keep the creativity up!
Even if I can't build a new PC for a few years, I'll still watch your vids! I lived vicariously watching you build through the shortage. Those were painful years drooling over GPU's I can't afford.
Finally built my team red 7700x 6750xt (they were on sale) build last month. I can always play minecraft and terraria until the cows come home.
This is one of the reasons I still come back to this channel whenever I can. You're good at pointing out the stirring nightmare going on behind the curtain while the hands are doing everything they can to jiggle the keys. The first omen of this GPU shortage was a few months back when Elon went crazy and bought up tons of compute specifically to the tune of 10K units. The other omen was a few weeks ago when the market started to bottom out on high end RX 6000 and 7000 series GPUs. I'm not in a good spot for this right now as I'm still on a RX 580 and want to do some high end development but still on a 1080p monitor and my other equipment is really long in the tooth as well.
I'll most likely wait for GDDR7 components to appear in graphics products just because I want an extreme advantage in memory speed with the next unit that I purchase, which may end up being early next year. Meanwhile there's a generational shrink going on with phones and Snapdragon Gen 3 just around the corner. It might be worth replacing my 2015 era phone before replacing my 2017 era GPU.
I just swapped from my old RX 580 to a 6650XT, the lower midrange cards are definitely still at a fair price point at the moment, although for 1080p stuff a 580 is still perfectly adequate for most things. My new card is definitely better than what I had before, but it was a splurge upgrade for sure, not something I *needed* to keep up with the games I play. The 580 is still a good workhorse and likely will remain that way for at least another couple years.
The 580 is a great card for older titles and emulation but my purchasing decision was based off of a 1080p144 panel, the same kind Jay has been rocking for a while and an HMD that is essentially 2K VR. I'm working on a lot of stuff right now to weigh the possibilities of returning to VR and desktop streaming but DX11 is kicking my ass and I'm feature locked out of anything DX 12_0 and Vulkan (unstable). So whether the 580 is good or not, it's going to cause serious problems for me very soon.
GDDR7 is years away. Like 2027 ish.
What does having rx580 have anything to do? I have the same card in my old computer
@@naegleriafowleri2230 You're not one of us. Why are you here?
They are build new chip plants in US, hopefully helps with supply chain and potentially transportation costs for savings to customer, but it'll take a while to complete these plants. +1 to bringing some manufacturing back to the US!
Hire 5 CreWs!
It'll be years before it even makes a dent.
Yeah I'm in one of the areas where the chip plant will be but it will be at least 5 years before it's up and running. Micron partnered with a nearby CC for training but getting trained staff will take an additional 2 years. It's also expected to 2X the current city population, so the city government is running around with it's eyes green and hair on fire to accommodate the expected growth.
Good luck if you think the price will come down. May save on shipping, but the labour force will be paid far more than their asian counterparts across the globe. Bringing it to the US is just a form of security for the day China decides to get Taiwan back.
May mitigate some costs by replacing people with robots, but even then they have to pay themselves off, and initial costs for that kind of set up wont be cheap. I hope we get cheaper GPUs here in the UK but im not holding my breath. As the tech gets better, the costs to create it will increase, coupled with inflation and you have some real expensive PC components. The age old problem of everything has increased in price except peoples wages 🤷🏼♂️
Purchased my PC parts few weeks ago, problem is that when put together both the motherboard as the GPU seem to be broken. The store is rather trying a lot pushing this under the rug and not help me. SO yay... No PC, I am forced to be on laptop and wait :(
I think my GTX1060 will be kicking about for quite a few more years...
With nVidia focusing on AI and big data computing, this may be the dawn of the Team Red vs Team Blue in the GPU market, with Team Green throwing the finger to the little guy and chasing the 70 - 100k per unit cards.
The portions of the nVidia keynote from Computex I have seen, other than showing how much of a disconnected tool Jensen is, also showed that nVidia as a company is pivoting to AI.
I wouldn't count on it. AMD is pivoting to focus on AI as well. Their next line of GPU's will have tensor cores.
they still make a load on enthusiasts.
@@TheGoreforce They make way more from AI customers.
still sitting on 960 2gb lol, but i am just about to upgrade
AMD had a 50% reduction in gaming card revenue and only had an 18% drop in profits with a 14% drop in one of their other divisions. AMD lives and dies by their ownership of the console market at this point and their server CPU market. If you look at steam survey, no one buys AMD, and it has been steadily in decline since the 2012 or 2013. NVidia has the mindshare and it is propagated by most of the techtuber community other than HUB. Even Jay only mentioned 40 and 30 series, ignoring that the best gaming deals are the 6700XT in price per frame. UFD still to this day bitches that AMD went a month without an update to the 6000 series drivers when 7000 series was seriously broken. I bet he wouldn't have said a word if NVidia didn't have a month without a driver release. Even Linus only said he'd go to a 7900XTX as a form of backlash against NVidia. Jensen owns their minds and will continue doing so, as long as NVidia is allowed to lead on what is expected. When AMD has added new features to improve quality of life for gamers, they get flat out ignored. AMD prices their GPUs at only a small discount relative to NVidia because they've tried undercutting them by a big percentage and it doesn't net them any gains and only causes them a bigger loss for that generation because new people don't switch. The only ones who switch are those that flop back and forth and the rest are people who are already using AMD cards.
It may also effect data centres as people are tasking those with AI processing tasks. I use AI and crunch tasks myself on my own hardware but I see a lot of people hiring AWS and other services for the same tasks. They are going to need to upgrade as well.
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@@b4ds33d Dbag
Ironically, this video got recommended to me because I talked with my buddy about this exactly. I KNOW THE PHONE ALWAYS LISTENS BUT I DIDN'T EVEN HAVE IT WITH ME IN THE ROOM AT THAT POINT
The hysterical laughing in the background at the end got my like hahahahahhuahuahuahua
It honestly wouldn't surprise me if some of the sluggishness on the price dropping is because Nvidia and the like are hoping smaller ai development will pick up the slack.
Hi Jay! I wanted to let you know one of the main reasons I watch you is because you stick your neck out. I take everything you release with a grain of salt because you call it like you see it at the moment. I watch GN for carefully calculated information and tested results. You are the only way I get the super quick info that may or may not be vetted or actually manifest. I come here to see what's happening right now or soon. I appreciate you and Nick and Phil for the personality and honesty each of you bring. It is like buddies telling me what they think about the situation. May not be perfect or right all the time but that's ok. That's why I'm here. Stick your neck out and I'll pat you on the head.
+1 👍
Not much sticking neck out happening here. Just kicking in an open door regarding ai/gpu's. ;p
One minute enemies being passive aggressive as all hell.
I just know a bit from a basic machine learning. If you remember systems of linear equations from middle or highschool, it is basically getting them to estimate a solution that works for all the equations at the same time. The estimate for a solution is used to weight the different aspects of your model that you are considering.
I think it's time for developers to understand that gamers are being strapped by various competing markets. First Crypto, now AI. Developers need to dig up the arcane practice of optimization. GPU Power has been an unstoppable force for years now and games have been able to squeak by, without optimizing their trash code because GPU's are powerful enough to brute force their way into higher FPS.
Instead of GPU's getting more and more powerful, code needs to get leaner, faster, and less farmed out existing libraries. Games written in engines like Unreal, will never run better than baseline Unreal. And guess what, Unreal is a bloated monster of a game engine.
Maybe they can train the AI, running expensive on GPUs, to do the optimisation on games so we can run them on the cheaper GPUs that AI doesn't want
What I foresee being the solution is AI-centric compute tasks going straight to dedicated AI hardware, so that GPUs can move on to doing graphical stuff. The value of real-time procedural generation within games is too lucrative for the industry, but also too damn demanding for the GPUs that most users are going to be gaming on. There's also an elephant in the room that isn't being discussed enough, and it's the fact that analog chips are so much more efficient at these tasks than GPUs ever will be. It's just kinda dumb that we're still using GPUs for the bulk of these tasks. I think once the GPU and AI tasks split to separate hardware, things will start to normalize for consumers. Consumers don't have a need for stupidly powerful AI learning hardware. We want frames! And if our AI needs increase rapidly, then we'd be better off upgrading that component rather than killing our aging GPUs with a heavy load. We've already got PCIe bandwidth for days, so we might as well use it.
The issue with your argument is that optimization as well as tight original code costs money and time. Would you be happy paying $240 for a game up front? We all know that Starfield is going to have its fair share of bugs. It is a Bethesda game after all. Bethesda are not a sloppy company and you have to believe they are doing the best they can. Games are ruinously expensive to make and who can forget Cyberpunk or No Mans Sky launches. They are not alone. I would love all these studios to code beautifully but, Time, Economy, Quality. Pick two.
@PaulLemars01 eventually ai will take over optimization. We are not there yet but maybe in 5 to 10 years.
@@PaulLemars01 Gaming is the biggest media industry in the world. It is worth many tens of billions of dollars. They don't need more money. They need to use the money they have better. It's not on us to build their empires. It's on them to make their empires worth investing in.
I just bought a bought a 7900XT to replace my 2070. It felt like the right time to upgrade. Amazon had it for $720 and with starfield premium it seemed like a pretty good price. It's also my first amd card. I've always gone nvidia, but the lack of vram really turned me off. I know some games I have are using 10gb at 1440p. It didn't make sense to upgrade to a gpu with 12gb.
Year 2035: "Hey ai? I wrote a script of my own for Star Wars. Make me a new movie trilogy using the same characters from the original."
Ai: 💥
0:53 hahahah I trust you man😅 sorry ‘bout that
I was a pretty staunch PC gamer from 1991 to 2009 then migrated to the consoles for a few years when the whole 5-limit activation for many games became a thing. Got back into PC gaming in about 2014 for a good solid five years with Steam, GOG, Battlenet, etc.. But it was around the time when the RTX 2000 series cards got released and I got my PS4 in 2019 that I started to falter again on the PC as a gaming platform. Then the pandemic hit and prices went through the roof as certain components became hard to find. I just found myself gravitating more and more towards my Xbox and PlayStation. Now I did upgrade to 32GB RAM and got a Radeon 6750 XT for good prices a few months back but I will run my PC as-is for the next three years and see how much I continue to use it. I know I will still always enjoy certain games like American Truck Simulator and such but right now I seem to be enjoying gaming on consoles more. I won't lie, as a result, I've been watching your channel a lot less now along with Paul's Hardware and others. We'll see what the future holds.
Don't you ever feel bad about sticking your neck out. Whether we like to hear it or not it, we need to hear this kind of information so we can make an wise, informed decision. You keep doing what you're doing.
The only time Jay sticks his neck out is to give some head to his overlords at Ngreedia. Did you not watch his terrible "DON'T WAIT -- BUY NOW" nonsensical video?
Jay, An interesting hypothesis, and you could well be on to something here. Good video! By the way, I was in the Air Force when we had the highest rate of inflation we've ever seen (except a couple of years immediately following WWI, and one year following WWII.) It was in the 1970's, and didn't come down to single digits until 1982. The highest we've had was in 2022, and it has come down considerably this year, and looks to be continuing that downward trend.
11:37 The Expanse is literally one of the most underrated piece of scifi in existence.
Good time to play through your Steam/EPIC/GOG back-catalogue and use the 2nd market to do upgrades.
Also means more people will switch to console if we go into the shortage we had previously.
Its what I did, I got so annoyed trying to get a 3080 or 3090 few years back I said screw it, tossed a 3060 in my pc and configured the parts around to be a streaming pc, saved a ton of money and used that to get a two consoles. for the price of a single 3090 I got a ps5 and a switch. I love pc gaming, but not enough to throw a 1k gpu in that case.
My boyfriend is a PhD student specializing in AI/machine learning. I designed the PCs for his lab and they all use multiple consumer Nvidia cards. Universities have definitely been eating into the consumer GPU supply over the past few years.
They could switch over to NPUs
@@knerduno5942 Most AI programmers want flexibility and tools they are familiar with, which is why most are using stuff like Python and Pytorch (for better or worse, everything now days is in Python), and it just happens that NVidia's CUDA APi has better performance and integration with Pytorch.
I'm doubting they train full production models on a desktop. Multiple Nvidia consumer cards don't really like to work together, and there's precious few motherboards that can do that anyway. Or power supplies. What processors did you use?
@@NotAnotherArtVideo The software to train requires at least ~22GB of Video RAM. Those are not desktop graphics GPUs, but headless ones and prices start at $10,000
@@knerduno5942 Yes, so what is the purpose of installing multiple Nvidia consumer GPU cards in a "regular" desktop for AI/ML lab work (or otherwise) as was mentioned? I can't see a benefit for that.
I think we're going to see a more prominent focus on artificial frames in Nvidia's end from now on.
If they're going to focus more on ai market they will probably ignore the R&D on gaming gpu side; and they will promote their ai support for higher frames.
I just got a "new" (It was on clearance.) system 6 months ago with a RTX 3080,
and I generally have my systems for 4-6 years,
so yeah, I'll definitely wait a while before upgrading.
wow this sounds absolutely crazy... I finally ordered a new rig after playing on a laptop for 6 years, I cannot even imagine seeing another gpu price crysis and more people not being able to fullfill their wishes because of factors they cannot even control
I'm in the market for a new GPU but I'm going to hold off for a few more months and see what happens with prices.
I play two games on steam with My R7200 and some hearts and yachtzy on line and that's it; but I certainly appreciate your astute analysis on where the market is going with graphics cards. Thank you and all good wishes.
Already working on building my first one. Not looking to abandon my consoles, but looking to expand my horizons.
"The Expanse" Build - VERY excited. What a great book series and fantastic TV show homage to the book. Thanks for your wise words Jay; was holding out for a decent secondhand 3080ti for ultrawide 4k gaming versus my 2070 but elected to run 1440p windowed in my games for the time being.
I'm doing a build this month, have half my parts ordered. Taking a risk on my GPU tho and getting an Arc A750 in the hopes drivers continue to improve.
There is a very good reason that they would. GPU demand is going up as well as prices. Intel would be foolish to start a GPU project then abandon it. They have great potential to sell in the near future.
2:58 😂😂😂😂 my man Phil
I work with people that do machine learning research/tests, and just the past year alone they've built 3 or 4 new PCs with Nvidia 3090 cards. So for anyone doubting, this is a pretty real concern.
all about A.I. learning and becoming whatever is BS. Every A.I. needs human behind it to program it for specific tasks. THe major concern is not some robots with artificial intelligence but humans behind it using it for nefarious purposes. We let history always repeats and humanity, in general, as sheep never learns from it....
I'll never upgrade from my 1080TI!!
Yooooooooooo! 1080Ti for life!
Im on a 1080 playing BG3 on 1440p ultra wide and totally comfortable with its performance. Im prob gonna wait another 5 or 10 years to do any uprgrading or replacing.
💯
1080ti OC still rocking strong! Had to replace the fans and re did the thermal paste and 7 years later still great performance!
10 series in general are solid cards
I build myself a super beefy PC 2 months ago with a 7900 XTX...and I tend to keep my system for as long as possible...therefore I am hopefully not too much effected by it...but for everyone else, I just hope this does not happen or at least not to that extend 🙏
Same. I built a 12600k - 7900 XT PC and I’m planning on using it until 2030 or longer.
wow that's an expensive card, I could never justify spending that much on a card
@@RedEverythingman you must play some old ass games wtf. Lol
@@chronometer9931 Way more affordable than a 4090.
@@Giliverwdym? I got a laptop 1650 and it only started not running games very recently. Their card will last much more than mine too bc its high end
Yeah, the phone is always listening (almost). It took me a LOT of time to fully restrict microphone and camera usage to those apps that don't actively need it and I'm not sure if I missed something, but it IS possible to get rid of the fact that the phone is always listening
My 3070 ti does fine but hopefully nothing else starts going out of stock cuz i want to upgrade the rest of my pc this year
I have bought a whole new system with amd 7900x and rtx 4080, but it was like 3 times the price I paid for my last setup. I am with you Jay, I really hope things go back to normal, cause today this industry is going bananas
It is not just this industry, everything is overpriced now from eat, costruction materials etc... Bad times
Yet you still paid
These prices work because people are still buying them
This is the new "normal" GPUs aren't going to have the same sensible prices they did for another 10 years.
its also like 5x better than your last setup lmao. this is like buying a porsche and being surprised its 3x as expensive as a toyota corolla
The thing about AI workloads is they're mostly RAM constrained, so only the higher end cards with a lot of RAM are really of much use to AI users. It will creep into the mid-tier, but in reality I don't think it will be as big of surge in demand as the crypto boom was.
Good point but when those run out? They go into that 4080/7900XTX range market
I would not be surprised if the 5000 series has massive vram attached. AI is mostly about the ram. More ram, larger models. A 4090 can load 13b models no issue. 30b models will load, barely. Vram and tensor is king in the AI world.
@@Lawful123 Considering how stingy Nvidia was with vram on the 40 series... 4070 and 4070 TI with 12 GB is a joke... even the 4080 only got 16 GB.
yeah, cards with a laughably low amount of VRAM (so, consumer GPUs) aren't very useful for ai organizations, the only people who are actually using consumer GPUs for AI stuff are consumers themselves who want to run some small models locally
TLDR: Out of the frying pan gpu apocalypse and into the fire. My old 2060 is going to have to hold on for awhile it seems.
I hear your prediction, based on research I'm sure, but... a run on GPU's for Chat AI learning/compute by many companies large and small? I just can't picture so many DC's/AI farms at $70k a card popping up everywhere, sucking the desktop GPU market dry, kind of a stretch.
I was thinking about this problem for myself recently. I've been running my radeon vii since it came out and through the crypto boom. It felt like finally now was a good time to upgrade, but I wanted something high end since I'm replacing an older high end unit. I didn't want to go nvidia for many reasons, but I did want to get something premium. I finally decided to get the 7900 xtx because it's about the best AMD has to offer. And I figure if there's some crazy new technology from nvidia in the future that I absolutely must experience, I'll try their geforce now streaming service which seems to be pretty good and still benefits from all of their proprietary tech like dlss.
Great video as always! I'm a bit sceptical about the severity of any potential shortage. Accessingg GPUs on digital platforms is relatively affordable for small & medium companies. I don't think the AI industry will impact the supply of consumer GPUs as much
I just got done buying new parts for a new rig a few days ago. It's my first upgrade in 7 years and I'm going from a 1070 to a 4080. Hearing all the flak that 40 series has been getting while doing part selection research, I've kind of justified it to myself by saying 'Well, it's different for me, because I'm making such a BIG jump; all the way from 10 gen to 40 gen.' Though I have not forgotten everything that I've heard thus far. I don't think I regret it, especially hearing that this AI trend is only going to become even more exacerbated, but it does make me slightly uneasy.
After so many years one can really justify the purchase especially when other hobbies usually cost money too. I went from 970 to a basically free 3070 due to eBay reselling but for RT it was too slow in 1440p. I made my dream PC and went big this time and replaced the 3070 for 4090 to keep it for many years to come.
Finally no compromise high fps plus path tracing 😅
Thanks for always shooting it straight. Your video are great for people like me who are new to this world.
I had to wait 3 years to get my hands on a new GPU from the official build, finally a few months ago I bought a ZOTAK 3060, I would have preferred the Ti but oh well. It is paired with a RYZEN 5 3600XT, which at the time was only £1 more than the standard 3600, it is crazy out there.
Jay you're the bro I wish I had. Thanks for all the insight. There is much to think about when it comes to planning hardware upgrades.
Been planning a build for about a few weeks for my daughter that she’s excited about and a GPU is one that we’ve been all over the place on. The good and bad. We haven’t pulled the trigger after having a 4070 16gb from gigabyte or msi to changing to a 3060 12gb MSI/Nvidia, or should we wait for the new AMD to drop etc
If you want more performance per $, you should go with AMD, but if you wish the "Ultimate Performance" and the budget isn't an issue, go with Nvidia.
@@rezeryet2250 she got her motherboard and gpu now. Still waiting on a few other parts
That's good to know!
@@rezeryet2250 for sure. Now I’m looking for my photo editing lol
i chose the wrong time to start my first build man, still saving and the graphics card i want might sky rocket in price
This is partly why I decided to grab a 4080 FE for my SFF build during tax free weekend here in SC. That and a Best Buy coupon code got it down to $200 off. I don't love it, but don't hate it either. Just glad not to deal with the shortage BS again.
It’s what i’m considering too. I learned a valuable lesson overpaying for gpus during the crypto boom and i don’t want to run into the same problem next year if this becomes an inevitability. It’s a tough gamble…
Thanks for all that you do, Jay. It is appreciated.
Without another supply chain disruption like corona I doubt there will be a repetition.
More fabs are are being build and should start production in the next two years. So even if there is a shortage, it will be a short one.
NEED HELP! I was planning on waiting until black friday to buy a 7900xt... (currently on gtx470)... do i wait? Do i buy now? HALP
without jay sticking his neck out, we would be more shafted than we are. love everything JTC does. maybe its time nvidia pull out of gpu market and focus on their AI stuff, as good as their cards are(most of mine have always been nvidia and currently using a 3090), they have been screwing pricing for quite a few years now, least we will still have AMD cards, and Intel dipping their toe, there is room in the market for a new competitor.
They won't step away from the consumer GPU market. As much as I'd like them to, they're in it for every single crumb that they can get their hands on. It would be nice to see a " team red " vs " team blue " GPU & CPU battle, but greenie weenie will always be around.
Nvidia leaving costumer gpu market is bad because of less competition
Nvidia will probably aim to be the bourgeois brand of gpus in the future, selling to the same rich elites they make missile components for, while AMD and Intel duke it out with Chinese brands that attempt to destroy the market via quantity over quality.
Jay has the perfect neck for sticking out, too. It's the ADHD that makes a person overshare and be a little too damn honest all the time. You can trust his sincerity and also his ability to notice patterns and trends. I agree heavily with what he's been saying and I'm taking that warning to heart. We're in for some bumpy seas and NVIDIA's gonna be rolling in so much money that they won't wanna give a hair off a rat's ass to the consumer market. I really hope Intel doesn't throw in the towel, because they may be our only hope for normalizing prices in the near future.
You want some knee pads?
I was on a 970 until recently, upgraded to a new 4080 at ~950$ So i'm happy with that deal. But even with that much of an upgrade it took me a good while to commit to it, despite having more than enough money to do so. What pushed me over the edge was, on one hand the 4GB of VRAM on the 970 starting to be a problem and on the other not wanting to get caught by the next shortage. So i started looking for decent deals and found a lucky one in an auction only one other guy was bidding on. To me it feels like a good time right now to keep your eyes open if you're due an upgrade, as Jay said, availability is good right now, hence the prices are low'ish (compared to launch). 50 Series is still a year off and will likely have a slow and pained launch again so the question you need to ask yourself do you have to upgrade within the next 1.5 to 2 years imo.
Similarly, I went from a 970 to a 4070 FE on launch day, after missing out on reasonably-priced 2060 Supers and 3070s. It works at least as well at 4K as my 970 did at 1920x1200, so hopefully it'll last me another 8 years. Maybe by then, Intel will be a compelling mid-range option.
On a 980, really the 90 series are still kicking strong
i mean they're incredible GPU's for their age :D@@sandson1601
lol imagine being happy for overpaying $950 for an 80 series GPU...
The whole issue comes from the somewhat fact that GPU execution units/cores which were originaly designed to offload the CPU from the compute intensive work of rendering 3D games scenes started to be versatile enough to perform tasks totally unrelated to graphics but on the contrary had become general purpose - They just didn't implement functions that were needed to perform Operating system stuff and whatnot. This is akin to what the 80387 (the math coprocessor) could do, but at a much higher level. I personally predict that, not before long, one of those designer is going to separate the two branches : One for highly 3D rendering with instructions highly optimized for this articular workload, and another one with a more number grinding approach which is needed for AI or crypto.. A crypto miner or an AI oriented business will not have any interrest in DLSS or bits of silicon dedicated to do some raytracing or saturated operations - but will need accelerated hashing or manipulating large arrays.. Everyone would win - Gamers get their sweet candies with chips that ae designed for anything BUT 3D Rendering.. and AI/Crypto/HPC(High Performance Computing) will not be bothering with the specialized logic of 3D (or game logic in general)..
"not A Rack like the country" 😂😂
It wouldn't be smart business to ignore consumer graphics because it is a diversification. I feel like we are always one set of government regulations away from there being a slowdown in AI.
I wished you were right, but America won’t slow down if we can’t control other country’s AI growth.
There's already discussion of regulating ai.
The issue is that there's only so much silicon that can be bined for ai at a time. If that's what makes them money, then the chips will go to ai instead of gpu.
Cyber crime is illegal, it’s not slowing down. Manufacturers will move to APUs and discrete cards will be a luxury item. A lack of availability will, however, drive devs to improve efficiency in coding, I expect. Also, Nvidia, I think, still runs GeForce now; cloud computer your games and run them a potato. Why would they sell you a product when they could sell a subscription. 😕
@@HydroKyl240COG AI is a black box and even enemy nations of the us have reasons to have worldwide AI regulation, no i'm not talking about skynet (what you really need to fear is the potential of paperclip maximizers), but the fact even these corrupt politicians can have their face and voice stolen from them and making them commit crimes they haven't, not to mention the insane security risk or the fact that it is a piracy or ip nightmare.
Worldwide ai regulation or war s coming, it's just a question of how far they are willing to go to suppress it's ability to effectively destroy the world as we know it.
Definitely not me who's getting burnt out on PC gaming thanks to garbage GPU companies.
Even when you get a new gpu all the cool new stuff gets pretty boring after awhile… honestly it’s meh I haven’t enjoyed a game in a good while.
@@ArcturusCOG The only game I'm excited for is cities skylines 2, which is debatably an indie game. I've kind of stepped away from gaming as a whole really.
@@ArcturusCOGtried Baldurs Gate 3? Didn’t think so…
I thought it was only me getting fed up I’m watching on wayfinder if it fails I’m going purely into editing and learning to video edit. As gaming just a drag rn
@@HydroKyl240COG Hahaha get lost. People like you are precisely why I haven't played any games lately. Baldur's gate 3 is definitely a good game, but I'm just not interested in it.
is it a good time to get a 30 series card right now or no? specifically 3080 LHR
"Is AI in a circle?!" 🤣
I think you’re right to caution folks from jumping into the AI circuit.
Although, I think Intel is well positioned with their transition to customer based silicon.
I wouldn’t put money on intel’s silicon. Look instead at who’s making strides on ARM based processors. See also AWS’s custom silicon.
Jay, I recently upgraded my 10xx series to a 4070ti, it seemed pointless to keep waiting. Surprisingly, the 4070ti is the closest to US prices in my country. The regular 4070, 4080 and 4090 are insanely overpriced here so the price/performance isn't that good, while the 4060(ti) isn't a consideration due to having only 8GB memory and not much futureproofing in terms of speed.
Same here, I dont know if you speak about Canada but this is my case. I had a 1070 and I got the 4070 ti since the 80 and 90 are wayy too expensive. Sure the ram limitation isnt great but I can still play 4k maxout in many games or 2k at 120 fps stable. My 1070 was really at his end of life. I could wait but wait for what? The 5000 series? When, how much...we cant wait forever. and AMD is still unstable from what I tried. I wanted the 4080 since the 90 is over 2000$ which doesnt make sens to spend that much for a graphic card but even the 4080 is 1800+. Add the taxes on that -.-.
I want to build a computer soon. I've been holding off for awhile. I'm currently running a 2080TI. My problem is that I have some car stuff that needs to happen and I run a blog that deals in some very expensive things, so its not going to happen right now. I guess that means I'll have to contend with the GPU apocalypse like I had to when I got my 2080TI, which was incredibly expensive at the time.
Hey what is that case in the video? Is it a STL file you can get or something? It's so sick!
Jay, Just wanted to say thank you for all the information you share. So many of the tech UA-cam creators just repeat how ADM will kill NVIDIA with this new "whatever" then their next video is that NVIDIA will kill AMD with what they are doing. Your videos give real, timely and interesting information. Thanks again and don't tell people get you down. You do a great job.
I thought about buying myself an AI system, but realized pretty quickly that stuff moves so fast it only makes sense to rent cloud GPUs, nobody in their right mind is buying consumer GPUs to train networks
I don't know whether they bought the GPUs for this purpose, or whether they are in their right minds, but... I've definitely seen people on civitai use their own personal RTX 4090s to create Stable Diffusion checkpoints and LoRAs.
Complete control over your own system might be a bigger selling point than it sounds.
@@teslainvestah5003 you have complete control over your system and data when renting GPUs, it's just running somewhere else an you pay like 1$ an hour for like 48 gigs of VRAM, a 4090 makes 0 sense to buy for that purpose.
If you plan on using it otherwise and for learning a bit of AI on the side or getting started sure... But other than that kinda pointless
Picked up my 4090 FE a little over a month ago but didn't start building until right now. My 7800X3D is coming later this week and I will complete my build by this weekend.
I was going to wait until later this year for the prices to go down on certain parts like the mobo and ram but I won't be losing out a lot so I don't mind the bad timing so much. With this news tho k glad that I was able to secure my GPU tho. I was going to wait for the 50 series but I figured it will probably start at $1,800+ for the 5090s. I only want to game in 4K so it made sense to get a 4090 even tho they're way overpriced. It cost to play I guess. Now staying under $4K is hard haha. I had a budget of $3K which was doable but I figured to pay a little more and have it last a little longer. I'm planning to keep this build for at least 5 years so. I'm settling on $3,500 which I don't mind.
Built my first PC in January with a 6800XT (your video on post-build setup helped me a lot when I was doing that so thanks) so I hopefully won’t have to upgrade any time soon
I have become concerned enough about this I went ahead and ordered a 7900xt. First major gpu upgrade in a long time. I don't think I will need anything more powerful for years since I game at 1440p and am fine with that.
I agree. Have a 7900XTX, went up from a 3060. But it's more of a fear of loss.
Damm, we're already at 4000 gen cards and I only had the need to retire my 980 for my 1080Ti. been using the former for a year since I didn't need the extra power.
@JayzTwoCents, I gotta give you a shout out. Because of this video I decided to upgrade my GPU a bit earlier than I had to, and the day after my guy ordered the card, the price rose by 100 bucks, so this video saved me a chunk of change. Thanks!
as always with a good video. I picked up a 6600XT on launch day for $496.44 and I'm a bit over my limit at 1080p which I don't think I'll need to upgrade for the next 2/3 years. Yes, it won't be the best, as you said it's better to get a ps5 instead of an upgrade
Amen man ....
I was honestly holding off to see if AMD was gonna drop anything to compete with the 4090 but based on their recent posts regarding not competing in the high end & now this video along with another video from a different tech reviewer a few days ago. I literally just ordered a 7900 XTX. My 5700XT has lasted me this long & is still doing it's thing so hopefully this 7900XTX will hang on for at least 3-4 years.
Amd ages like fine wine with all that ram. it will last 3-4 years.
rockin a 5700XT as well. I gotta say it handles everything i play just fine at 1440P. No reason to upgrade yet.
Just got my 6800XT!
Yep. Still rockin my 5700xt as well and it's still just fine. When I do upgrade it'll likely be a 7900xtx as well and I plan on it lasting 3-5 years as well.
Yup, and actually, games graphics are reaching a level where it will be really difficult to be prettier, faster, or whatever. I mean, when games will have photorealistic characteristics, there will be no point in trying to add more reflections or lights to look « more realistic than reality »... With Unreal 5.2, the level of fine details is already so amazing that I don't see a near future where it will be a dire need to have more fps or more details on something that is already beautiful and realistic as hell. So much that the difference between « max settings » and « ultra nightmare » graphic settings is not even possible to notice...
I think there's a good reason with GPUs are not improving much between generations, lately (other than scamming people by selling a DLSS 3.0 update on a RTX 3000 card and call it a 4000) : it's just because we're reaching a point where there will be no point in adding more details and frills to something that is already awesome.
I'm running a 6600, and when I eventually upgrade (probably in 5 years or so lol) I'll go for a 7600XT (heard good things about it, still gonna do a lot of research).
Waiting for a gen to be 1 or 2 gens behind the current one and sweeping up the best models of that "obsolete" gen are the play as far as I'm concerned.
I do the same thing haha. Recently got my little girl a 5700 xt, they're a very good price now and still powerful
@@QueertyUCR solid pick. As far as my research tells me, the 5700xt is a slightly weaker version of the rx 6600 (which itself is a weaker version of the 6900XT I think, might be wrong), with the primary difference being the ability to make use of Ray Tracing.
So long as the rest of her build isn't bottlenecked by the CPU as mine is, or by RAM as mine used to be, it should last her a good bit, especially if she sticks to 1080p gaming at medium/high settings for the less demanding modern games, and goes low/medium for the more demanding ones. Mixing and matching visual settings is the best way forward though. (for games that allow you to individually tune that sort of thing).
Hey I listened to this advice, built a kickass PC , and the prices are up now. Happy!