My retro PC has a 775 socket, running a Pentium D 945, and it works flawlessly with windows98 (once you get all the drivers running). I even scored a CT4810 sound card, so I have audio on native DOS and it works great in both Doom amd Quake. Socket 775 can be clnsidered overkill for win98, but what's the loss? You have a lot of room to spare, and if you feel like you're not using all the hardware to its fullest, just dual-boot with winxp, xp64 or 7 and enjoy!
Way ahead of the curve Phil. I certainly think this will become very important in the near future. Prices right now are cheap for socket 775 and you can build not only a great XP PC but obviously as you demonstrate a windows 98 dos PC. As you have said in other videos this is also exactly why late pci graphics cards will become super relevant.
3:05 A Sound Blaster Live! That's what I had in my PIII build back in the day. Not surprising I guess, since those were so common, but oh, the memories.
Oh man, that old game footage! Takes many of us back in time when gaming was fun and PC hardware/software had huge issues. Now it's the other way around. Thanks! Keep'em coming!
Funny im building a 775 system at the very moment casually on a friday nice coincedence so much cpus to choose from i have a bunch this video boosts my intention to go for a quake dos win xp gaming setup :)
I did a PC experiment where I had this older desktop with an AMD Athlon 64 x2 and for very cheap, found me a Phenom X4 9650 and when I first installed it, it didn't post, then I saw that I needed to update the bios, so after doing that, it seems to work fine with the quad core phenom and a gtx 285.
As always really nice video dude :) you were totally right about the fact that 775 boards are the ones to get because they are still really cheap. Now thanks to you, most people know that even PCIe ones can be used for Win98 :) Btw, what is/was your favorite platform ? Judging by watching your videos I guess Super Socket 7 or Socket 478 right or wrong ? :p
Yes but only for windows, as you can see the 16-bit DOS SB emulation is not working, its always better to get I865 based board where everything retro wise works.
If you have a Sound Blaster Live CT4620 or a SB0060 then getting DOS sound and OPL3/FM music is no problem. I have a SB Live CT4620 in my socket 775 build using that Asrock board you did a video on last June. Windows 98 SE is installed on a 128GB SD card and it performs really well. I may do some more socket 775 builds in the future but I am pretty content with what I have now. I can't thank you enough for all the awesome videos you do Phil. It's so much appreciated.
I would go for a older board with a sis or via chipset wich supports up to something like a e6400, but would have more win98 support maybe even for onboard audio, video and ethernet. Then get that celeron 420 or a c2d, and a soundblaster live. These earlier 775 boards also are cheaper than intel chipset based ones, at least where i live. Maybe something in a level of a asus p5vd2, or a pcchips p23g (eve tho i dont trust much pcchips after having cap issues in a p23g).
@@SummonerArthur It should work out of the box. Are you sure both ram sticks are working and really are 2gb each? I would advise a clear cmos and if that dont solve a bios update. Mine just recognizes fine. Mine is the mx variant, but according to asus website both the mx and vm variants work fine up to 4gb of 800mhz ram.
@@eduardoavila646 I'm using 2x2gb ddr2 ram (wich I'm 100% sure that works fine) and there's 64 mb for the igpu (VIA Chrome 9). But it only shows as 3.7 as useable while I'm using a 64 bit os (dual boot xp and 7) no matter what processor I use. And this 256 mb (i think it was more than 256mb, but i cant remember exactly) isnt being dedicated to anything because if I remove any of the sticks it will say that 2gb are installed and 2gb is useable.
@@SummonerArthur This is kinda normal, its a windows issue. It may happen even on 32 bit windows. It happens because the way windows allocates ram, at least to what i know. My laptop has 8gb of ram, but only 7.45gb usable, My netbook had 2gb but only 1.8 usable. Try to see if a linux usb thumbdrive recogizes all the 4gb of ram, possibly its windoss fault, not your chipset nor board
Darn you... Before watching your videos - all computer junk was nicely tucked away in the attic After watching some videos - computer parts spread all over the attic floor and table After watching some more videos - built 3 retro machines triple-booting MS-DOS/winME/WinXP After watching even more videos - found a micro-atx board for my arcade machine which was collecting dust due to missing parts Current situation - Unboxed old consoles, placed a few shelfs, unwrapped an old couch and now my attic has turned into a retro gaming den / 2nd living room!! Yes, that's all YOUR fault! Quake LAN on E1M7? Yes, please! Starcraft co-op? Awesome!
You really need to invest in some 90 and 270 degree right angle SATA cables (on one, the little orientation notch points toward the cable while on the other it points away from the cable). This will generally allow you to use SATA ports that fall under cards and the total investment will only be a few dollars.
Hey. Socket 775 is the best option for this year! Easily available, solid, reliable and has great compatibility. We could compare S775 to Windows XP in term of longevity. Both of them been used not the same time, but for quiet long time by me. So yes, I highly recommend Socket 775 to build your retro pc, It will last and support wide range of early to mid 3D games as well as DOS. My very first attemp of checking new company ASROCK was ASRock 4CoreDual-SATA2, it was something completely new to me and I was possitively surprised with Asrock products. Other Socket775 manufacturers I would recommend will be Gigabyte. I wish Socket 775 had better socket design, tiny pins are sensitive and susceptible to damage, so be careful when building your own. I had lesson fixing pins on ABIT LG-95C. Good video as always Phil, my day was worth entering youtube today.
@@maxgoodman9239 I didn't mean xp+775, but early 775 will be good for xp and later good for win7, I didn't switch to Win10 and still use Win7 x64 which cover my all needs flawlessly
Dang, still a really good retro computing video creator, Phil, please keep it up as is, your videos have a heck of a charm behind them, that might be difficult for you to see.
Some socket 775 can have really good windows 98 support as well as c2d support ! I have a GA-VM900M (via P4M900 chipset) and everything works (igp, network, USB ...) except the sound. So that makes it a good uATX mobile as many things you'd add with an expansion card is already working. I'm planning to install a PCI-e GeForce in order to get faster video performance and a PCI sound card
I built a dirt cheep pc with this motherboard, must be like 10 years ago now, it's got a q6600 in it, and is still in daily use by my sister, with windows 10, just for shopping Netflix UA-cam etc, never given even a hint of a problem!
This is a good video, something I've actually been considering doing. Simply just because the components are alot less than the proper retro stuff. Definitely considering a 98 machine now.
I am hugely grateful to you for posting this video. Based on your recommendation, I bought a socket 775 Pentium 4 3.06ghz with Gigabyte motherboard and 2Gb RAM for only £20 delivered from ebay. I removed 1 RAM stick to leave 1Gb and win98 installed perfectly. Its Intel 915P chipset. However, to be safe I have ordered a pair of 256mb DDR2 DIMMS for £2 delivered, as I believe over 512mb can be problematic for some software.
These G31 boards are dirt cheap, and so are low-end 775 CPUs. The hardest part is finding a cheap cooler, especially if you get an old Northwood or Prescott CPU. I got a couple of old machines for free that my mate was going to throw out, and I've been playing with windows 98 as well as linux on the G31 chipset one. I also got a 965 chipset board, but I wanted to play around with more modern CPUs, so I went with the G31. Lots of fun!
Phil, you are the best !!! Once again, asking a question about the next retro configuration, I find the answers in your videos. And it's just a great pleasure to watch your videos. Unfortunately, for some reason, your site "PhilsComputerLab" does not open from the territory of Russia, and I had to look for your collection of benches on third-party resources. Thanks for your work! Your subscriber is from Russia.
Motherboard layout is always the thing I stressed over. Not every board with the right layout is good and very few good boards have the right layout often times. This is in my experience anyways. Fantastic video Phil! I may try this out sometime! 😀
Im having fun with win98se on a skt939 system atm, (MSI Neo2 platinum motherboard) i love 98 think i always will, 95 was where it begun for me even win 3.11 can do some amazing stuff.
A PCI sound card worth looking at is one based on the ForteMedia FM801-AU chip, not perfect but work in DOS with no heavy memory hogging drivers, some down sides like being limited to SB Pro emulation and no real mixer control at least that I've found)
@@philscomputerlab Windows 98 PCIe drivers for Nvidia GeForce 6/7 and 8 cards! msfn.org/board/topic/97786-geforce-67-and-8-agppci-e-driver-edition-for-win98me-by-zak/
I'll watch this later but this title is why I bought another 478 socket mother board 8 US dallor. Because HP d530 is my most invaluable board to run win 98 or dos. So I think this board someday will stop working . I don't have any pci vga card however alot of agp cards. So this another board will save my life time. D530 of course still works fine. See you^^
I think that the blue screen is because w98 tries the disable devices even if the bios says disable because sometimes there were jumpers on the audio device that ignore the bios.
Hi All, nice video Hmm you forgot the key phrase, " If it has a BIOS we will flash it" , you changed it a bit this time. With mother board purchases, i check ebay, and get the make and model number, then open a tab to the motherboard manufacturer and paste in the model and see if they have 95/98/XP drivers before i decide to purchase a motherboard - unless it cleary has the OEM cdrom and states on the cdrom win98 drivers etc Sometimes, you can go by the date of the board or the spec sheet, if you are lucky you can use no drivers other than win98 stock I always use WIn 98 SE as it is the latest and supports more "newer" hardware and runs OK with USB2 with some update - use the separate add on card with NEC usb chips !!! For me it is the 512k limit, often with 2G it will install and after the reboot you get the memory failure ( actually says to low on memory ) and i find it to hard to set it to run in safe mode or what it takes to apply the large memory mods / patch BTW with command an conquer, you can highlight people / units / trucks etc and press Control and any number between 1 and 9 , this groups them together, then in game simply press the number pad and those people / cars ( still alive ) are active and you can position them,. good to place all minigunners together, or tanks , jeeps, helicopters, dogs , spy - btw for people, use a mixture of mini gunner , grenaders and rockets guys as lookouts and also they can defend long - medium - short range Also perfect for retreat or getting all vehicles or helicopters to one site ( planes and helicopters to refuel , cars to go to a location and the mobile mechanic on a different number to repair them ), also when you attack a base, you can have siferent personel on say N-S-E-W locations Regards George
I have a Celeron D'isaster lga775 chip 3.06Ghz chip laying around and was toying with the idea of seeing if I could install Win98 SE I wonder if it will play nicely with Win98 it has a IDE DVD burner in it but the motherboard I need to recap it runs I have tonnes of 1gb sticks of ddr 1 ram laying around the IDE HDD died but it does have sata.
Would love to see a E8600, PCI fx5500 GPU (without and with GPU overclock), SSD, 512 x 2 ram duel channel (rloew). To see what the pci fx5500 can do with zero CPU bottleneck and all that available cache. A "3 years later" build revisit after the GPU overclock issue was figured out in the comments.
I thought there are no Windows 98 drivers for 9*5, G31 and newer Intel chipsets. So I decided to buy SIS and VIA based 775 motherboards for Windows 98 retro gaming PC. Why not to use PCI-E videocard instead? 6600 series is very cheap and have great performance. Also there is even 6800 drivers. Of PCI-E bus in G31 won't work with Windows 98?
Hi Phil, long time viewer and subscriber of your channel - really love your work and advice - it's been inspirational! I just wanted to ask where you got the Gotek drive with the USB port on the back around 5:16 in the video? Can you post a link to it? Thanks!
I don't have a link, but what I do is just scroll for a while (run a search on GOTEK USB) and you should find one. There aren't many listings, so you might need to search a while. Look on eBay, Amazon and AliExpress!
What version of nvidia driver for this project? Suggestion for next videos: how use two OS on same PC, 98 for 3d and later DOS games and XP or even linux distro to run DOSbox or other games.
I thought it was shown in the video, but it's not :/ So I used 56.64, which supports this card out of the box. But the popular 45.23 can be manually installed / forced if you wish.
@@philscomputerlab I tried the 45.23 on my TU4VX (p3 1GHz) and the installer dont detected my fx5500. With 56.64, slowed down games like UT . No sure if is the VIA chipset dont liking the driver.
another use that i find to be fascinating at least for me, is that with such retro PC, could be a perfect for installing oldie but goldie OS, such OS/2 or something else..
Build a LGA 1155 retro (not too retro because the motherboard is from early 2011) gaming PC with Windows 98 or XP installed and test Quake 2 and Unreal on it.
I personally like only ich6-based lga775 platforms for wi98 builds. Ich7 doesn't supported by official drivers. Only proprietary wi98 standart drivers available
mATX mainboards, based on i945gz chipset, usually have 3 pci slots and support Celeron 420 - 440 Conroe-L. Also they might be cheaper. Asrock had 2 such models. G31 would be good for PC with quad core CPU. But I understand you have G31 at hand and make the interesting video.
I think I might have one of these motherboards that has a dual core 2 processor. I'm going to look for it at some point and I might have a Pentium 4 processor to put in it, in my parts box. I also have a sound blaster live but no driver for it. I will probably use a different GPU or whatever suitable GPU I can get my hands on for a reasonable price.
I did the emulation test because I have one celeron 420 as a daily pc, it is a good pc for not having noise nor heat but it cannot run n64 emulation, sadly because nowadays it would make a really decent pc for old games, I replaced with a pentium e5400 and was way better.
If you have multiple computers rather than all these seperate devices for each individual machine I think it is probably cheaper and easier to have a network server for storing media and disk images. That way if you want to install a title you just download it over your network. As pretty much any router you buy has gigabit networking included plus any modern motherboard, it just seems like the easiest way. And hey, if you can't reach every system with a cable you can still do this over wireless or over the electric circuit.
You should look into the ATI Rage XL 8MB PCI. The chips where made for a very long time for onboard graphics in servers and china has tons of the chips around so is still making generic cards with the chip. It has no problem running Resident Evil 1-3, Quake 2, Dino Crysis, Carnivors, Turok etc and they can be had new for less then $30 on ebay and newegg.
@@philscomputerlab Brand new manufactured parts is the benefit i see with them but you can get allot better newer stuff for cheaper. The black pcb rage xl i got off newegg 2 years ago was only $15 shipped and well its brand new.
Windows 98 on unsupported motherboard Internal VGA requires Windows 2000/XP/Vista/7 and newer. GeForce FX 5500, the videocard that supports Windows 95/98/Me/NT4/2000/XP/Vista and newer.
Nice job Phil. The problem is its is extremely hard to find a 775 mobo with AGP slot, or to find a PCI-E or even PCI gpu with win9x drivers. These issues hinder and frustrate me a lot when I try to build my retro 775 PC.
The SB16 problem is usually an I/O error. I've been able to reallocate IRQ/DMA to get everything working. I think it's rather important for SB16 emulation to be working on a Win98 build.
@@philscomputerlab It was a build for a client with a Dell Dimension 4700, which is socket 775, but I'm not sure what the chipset is. (It was Intel, at the least) The Dell BIOS on that model is particularly inflexible--I'm curious if I could flash a better BIOS onto it. I remember disabling parallel which was helpful, and then I reassigned some options with conflicting motherboard resources in device manager and I got it running.
I'm also not sure if it was a similar enough SB Live! card but I presume they're all pretty similar. I was using one of the Dell OEM cards, though it was from a different Dell machine and tracking down the correct drivers was trying. I found a universal image on VOGONS.
i have a similar motherboard, mine's is a replacement cus one of the cpu pins bent in the old motherboard. I currently have it with a pentium dualcore with 4 threads at 3.0ghz but it can go all the way to a core 2 duo extreme, if i can find it for cheap
I dunno if audio is truly crystal clear. Using digital connections means that sound card just sends data to speakers and speakers do digital to analog conversion. I bet that better conversion quality is by sound card, instead of whatever DAC is in speakers themselves. But in the end, I wouldn't say for sure that difference is really that big.
How's the FX 5500 with glide compare to your videos using FX Ultras and Quadro FX 3000s with glide? The price to performance ration of the FX 5500 seems like it could be a more attractive option. I totally agree going full ATX. You could add an Aureal Vortex2 card and add A3D and some DOS gaming capability.
wow that amazing!! i almost to purchase expensive used slot 370 mainboard just want to playing win 98 era games, so any 775 board model can install windows 98?
Resurrected reference LGA775 motherboard (manufactured 2003-all Nichicon caps failed), Pentium 4 631, 256MB PCX 5750 (FX5700 Ultra, came with the motherboard), Creative Live Value, 512MB DDR....I might have my next project at hand.
The nvidia 5500 is subpar for any gaming even Ut99 or ut2004 - ati 9700 or 9800 is a must but the need more than 300w from a noname powersupply which cards like nvidia 4200 dont need but nvidia 5900xt need pretty much the same as 9800 pro. Never had any Ati 300, 600 so i dont performance. The only way I can tell this computer performance if You installed the ut2004 demo and showed the ingame fps - I should guess it ould hower around 50 fps but maybe 40 in onslaught.
I wonder if it's worth getting a Gotek as my Retro PC has USB (GA-586ATXv3 board) and I got USB drives working even under DOS 6.22. Still love the 136in1 build (with a Voodoo 2) most, because later Win9x games are relatively easy to get to work under modern Windows thanks to dgVoodoo. Tried other glide wrappers in the past but was never satisfied. Only 16 bit games, games with 16 bit installers without modern installers / workarounds available or speed sensitive Windows games like Betrayal in Antara are problematic. The ones I can't get to run under modern Windows will run perfectly on my 136in1 build. Btw, I can't seem to get the Midi solution with the UM-ONE mk2 and Falcosoft Midi Player to work. The UM-ONE doesn't seem to receive Midi signals from neither SB 32 nor Audician 32. Feeding it with data from my modern PC works though. Could this be caused by a problematic power supply? Using the SB 32 GM and MT32 emulation causes the 136in1 to crash and reboot. The only game working with MT32 emulation is Monkey Island 2. Duke 3D and KQ4 causing crashes. I'm waiting for a "new" PSU that besides longer cables and 2 SATA connectors (needing both for putting it into my modern silent case) also offers 0.8A on the minus 5V rail, while the current one only offers 0.3A. Wonder if this might help.
I'm not sure if that motherboard can boot from USB though... What I do is use the standard GOTEK with the retro PC, and the USB GOTEK on the modern PC for creating boot disks, copying games and all of that.
@@philscomputerlab It sadly can't but is not really needed in my case. Got a normal USB floppy drive and a program to write images if I need a bootable one. For putting games on the system the USB stick works perfectly fine and should be much faster too. You just have to make sure to get the right usbaspi.dll for DOS as there are different versions and only v2.20 is working for me. The USB keyboard support BIOS option is interesting though as it cause the system to hang when trying to initialise the SB 32 PnP soundcard via CTCM. Loading the USB drivers for the stick doesn't and works without USB keyboard support. Besides the USB problems, only DOS 6.22 or FreeDOS work with using standard IRQs and DMAs. Pure DOS 7.1 causes most IRQs and DMAs not to be usable by the SB 32. Only IRQ11, DMA3 and High DMA 7 do. Win98 (minus boot to DOS mode) works perfectly fine without any Soundcard Problems including the SB32 General Midi and MT32 emulation in DN3D, DOOM1/2 and Monkey Island 2. MI2 might actually sound better than under DOS but still far from perfect. Also none of the Blue Screens you mentioned in your GA-586ATX review. DMA mode for HDDs (mine is a 60GB one) also doesn't work though.
🙂 do ur research, on fleabay the 775 boards that have more value are the ones that have 4 ram slots and that support a Core2Quad Q9650, while ur there look for the oem intel Q9650 cpu cooler, its a little beast, big chunky aluminum fins, solid copper core, heavy metal steel X mounting bracket 😎
@@batman9592 ☺️ LOL yeah ur right, we dont want any competition picking up the really good stuff on fleabay for dirt cheap 😉 Thats why I didnt mention 'exactly' what boards to look for, i only said 'do ur own fkn research' ✌️😏
Hi I would like to see a video featuring a q6600 on the Asrock 775i65g with some fast agp card. It would be intresting to see how it performs in windows xp. Thanks.
Man, what timing! I was planning on building a micro ATX Win 98 machine, and this came at a really good time. Couple questions though: • Would a Pentium 4 or Pentium 4 Extreme be too overkill for Windows 98? • Is it necessary to disable the onboard video and audio? (in case you don't have either a sound, or video card) • Where do you find your driver for these motherboards and cards? • When playing DOS games, is it better to play them through DOS, or does it not make a difference when playing them through Win 9X?
About the last question: Playing in DOS is better. Playing DOS games through Win 9x might resullt in graphical glitches (Destruction Derby for example), loss of performance, sound issues, controller issues.
I have a very similar machine. Celeron 450, Nvidia 5900 XT (want a Ati 9800 XT but too expansive) , Asrock Conroe865PE, 512 MB DDR, 80GB WD IDE Hard- and CD Drive. A real floppy drive for Authenticity. I also have a question. Why is Windows ME sooo bad for DOS Games or in general? I Remember that i had Windows ME installed and it run way better than Windows 98 SE.
Phil, love your videos man, watch them every time. I have a question: I`ve got a P4 3.2 HT (the first processor I bought) and really wanted to use it on a Windows 98 sistem. Can you present me some motherboard model that can disable the HT and lower the clock so I can use it with Win98? Tnx man!
In my experience, you don't need to disable HT. Even when enabled, Windows 98 will not use it. I can confirm this with an ASRock 775i65G motherboard and a Pentium 4 520 (2.8 GHz) with the Prescott Core, with HT enabled. I actually have two of these machines and dual boot them both with Windows 98SE and Windows XP (I do have to disable the USB 2.0 Enhanced Host Controller Interface in Windows 98SE, though). The 775i65G offers a lot of options. If interested in the 775i65G, Phil has done a separate review on that board, and I would estimate that most motherboards using the Intel 865 chipset would work great. For MS-DOS games running inside of Win98SE, I find that a freeware app called "MySlow" works really well, but its settings will vary quite a bit between games. For example, if I try to run SW: Dark Forces, I use MySlow to allow me to run with the "General MIDI" music option.
@PhilsComputerLab So i have this mobo with an e 8400 Core 2 Duo + 4gb ddr2 @800Mhz and i m wondering if i can use a 6700xl or a 6600 pcie GeForce Cards for Win98SE . Any answer i would apreciate , cause i wanna built some kind of an ultimate win 98 pc.
I purchased one of these fx cards for my Pentium 4. It works fine at 800x600. Maybe I was a little unrealistic in my expectations, but I was hoping to use this to play at 1600x1200. However the performance of this card just was not up to it in the couple of games I tested (Star Trek Elite Force, Colin McRae Rally 2.0 and Motorhead). I have now ordered a PCI-e Quadro FX 1300 in the hopes that will be better, but I am expecting compatability issues with Win98 and PCIe! Have you done any videos with Win98 and PCIe? My motherboard does not have AGP
@@philscomputerlab oh and, for my retrogaming i've just got a dell d610 for just 25€, with a pentium m 740 (1.73ghz, single core, no hyper thread) and 1gb of ram, for now i have installed windows 10 on it, and is super crappy (is struggling to play this video in 480p lol), planning to install windows xp on it.
I remember the same reactions back in the days when everyone built high performance PCI 486 machines and there I was, promoting the Socket 7 platform :D Nobody was interested, prices were dirt cheap. So yea, I have no idea what's going to happen, but prices are super cheap now, so get in early :D
That's impressive performance for a PCI card. I have an Athlon XP 2600 with 1gb RAM, what card should I get for some decent Win98 gaming? I don't want lag or frame drops. Something that will play nicely up to 2002-03 games. I have agp 8x
Hey there, i recommend you try a retro gaming pc using debian distros like ubuntu mate and linux mint, i think this can be a good project since you can play your old games and use a secure system that can access the internet
Have you ever tried a SATA to IDE adapter? I was wondering if those might be a good solution for motherboards that don't have SATA ports or VIA boards where the ports only work with SATA 1 drives.
I have about six of those SB Live cards. Can't get a single one of them to work. It's really frustrating. They work fine in XP, but I can't find a 98SE driver that works for any of them. I'm starting to think that crappy driver support is one of the reasons that Creative soundcards stopped being mainstream.
I glued together a S754 98se pc yesterday, and IMO it's much better idea than hacking around with a cheap LGA775 boards for now, the S754 support 98se natively, they have AGP, performace is a bit of an overkill already, soooo :) (Athlon 64 2800+, 768 MB of RAM, GF2 MX200 [my 9200SE is dead sadly], old 320 GB HDD, SB Live!)
Socket 754 is fully Windows 98 compatible, no need to glue anything :) I've covered multiple Windows 98 builds with 754 and 939 as well as 478 and of course all the authentic older stuff.
I've been looking for an affordable Win98/DOS gaming PC for quite a while and this sounds like a great alternative. How would this run DOS games? I know some of them will run way too fast but slomo can fix that. How about the SB16 emulation?
One of my current win98 test builds is on a Gigabyte EP45-DS3 motherboard with a core 2 duo and 2 gig ddr2 and nvidia 7900gs graphics card and an audigy sound card. I had trouble getting win98 to work on a IDE HDD because of the jmicron ide controller, but a SATA HDD worked fine. In fact I used a 320gb SATA HDD, with a 128gb FAT32 partition within the first 137gb of the HDD for win98, and the rest formatted as NTFS for winXP dualboot. No data corruption so far, so this is probably quite viable. Ram was limited to 512mb using himemx.exe under win98. Machine works pretty well overall, theres some occasional stutters but I guess its just the cpu overheating because I used crappy old paste
@Kathleen Shaw what for, no game will ever need this much, if anything I should probably further lower it down below 400 as Jane's Longbow 2 doesnt work with more than that, afaik
Phil you're single handedly keeping Win98 Retro Gaming alive Buddy! Keep it up man.
My retro PC has a 775 socket, running a Pentium D 945, and it works flawlessly with windows98 (once you get all the drivers running). I even scored a CT4810 sound card, so I have audio on native DOS and it works great in both Doom amd Quake. Socket 775 can be clnsidered overkill for win98, but what's the loss? You have a lot of room to spare, and if you feel like you're not using all the hardware to its fullest, just dual-boot with winxp, xp64 or 7 and enjoy!
X5470 :)
Everytime Phil says Socket 775 a retro pc is born ;)
SSD... Celeron 420... Unusual OS for the hardware. Sounding almost druaga1. Liked :)
needs a casio watch and BenQ monitor for true druaga compatibility fellow smoker
But not "druaga2", cause he built the Windows 98 machine with unopened period correct parts :-P
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He needs to pair it to a GT 420
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Way ahead of the curve Phil. I certainly think this will become very important in the near future. Prices right now are cheap for socket 775 and you can build not only a great XP PC but obviously as you demonstrate a windows 98 dos PC. As you have said in other videos this is also exactly why late pci graphics cards will become super relevant.
Thank you!
3:05 A Sound Blaster Live! That's what I had in my PIII build back in the day. Not surprising I guess, since those were so common, but oh, the memories.
Oh man, that old game footage! Takes many of us back in time when gaming was fun and PC hardware/software had huge issues. Now it's the other way around. Thanks! Keep'em coming!
Now thats a build that make sense, cheap and reliable. Nice work Phil
Excellent video Phil! Kinda funny that 'low power' 35W TDP from ~ 2006-2007 was max. power for Pentium 3-era Win98 PCs..
Funny im building a 775 system at the very moment casually on a friday nice coincedence so much cpus to choose from i have a bunch this video boosts my intention to go for a quake dos win xp gaming setup :)
I did a PC experiment where I had this older desktop with an AMD Athlon 64 x2 and for very cheap, found me a Phenom X4 9650 and when I first installed it, it didn't post, then I saw that I needed to update the bios, so after doing that, it seems to work fine with the quad core phenom and a gtx 285.
As always really nice video dude :) you were totally right about the fact that 775 boards are the ones to get because they are still really cheap. Now thanks to you, most people know that even PCIe ones can be used for Win98 :)
Btw, what is/was your favorite platform ? Judging by watching your videos I guess Super Socket 7 or Socket 478 right or wrong ? :p
Yes but only for windows, as you can see the 16-bit DOS SB emulation is not working, its always better to get I865 based board where everything retro wise works.
Ah, takes me back 20 years when you had all those.irq polling errors and had to find workarounds to frustrating driver issues! The glory days!
If you have a Sound Blaster Live CT4620 or a SB0060 then getting DOS sound and OPL3/FM music is no problem. I have a SB Live CT4620 in my socket 775 build using that Asrock board you did a video on last June. Windows 98 SE is installed on a 128GB SD card and it performs really well. I may do some more socket 775 builds in the future but I am pretty content with what I have now. I can't thank you enough for all the awesome videos you do Phil. It's so much appreciated.
I was watching the video with motherboard you used
I would go for a older board with a sis or via chipset wich supports up to something like a e6400, but would have more win98 support maybe even for onboard audio, video and ethernet.
Then get that celeron 420 or a c2d, and a soundblaster live.
These earlier 775 boards also are cheaper than intel chipset based ones, at least where i live.
Maybe something in a level of a asus p5vd2, or a pcchips p23g (eve tho i dont trust much pcchips after having cap issues in a p23g).
I still use a p5vd2 vm here.
Do you know if theres any way to force the VIA chipset to use 4gb ram?
@@SummonerArthur It should work out of the box. Are you sure both ram sticks are working and really are 2gb each?
I would advise a clear cmos and if that dont solve a bios update.
Mine just recognizes fine. Mine is the mx variant, but according to asus website both the mx and vm variants work fine up to 4gb of 800mhz ram.
@@eduardoavila646 I'm using 2x2gb ddr2 ram (wich I'm 100% sure that works fine) and there's 64 mb for the igpu (VIA Chrome 9).
But it only shows as 3.7 as useable while I'm using a 64 bit os (dual boot xp and 7) no matter what processor I use.
And this 256 mb (i think it was more than 256mb, but i cant remember exactly) isnt being dedicated to anything because if I remove any of the sticks it will say that 2gb are installed and 2gb is useable.
@@eduardoavila646 also, BIOS is in its latest update.
@@SummonerArthur This is kinda normal, its a windows issue. It may happen even on 32 bit windows. It happens because the way windows allocates ram, at least to what i know.
My laptop has 8gb of ram, but only 7.45gb usable,
My netbook had 2gb but only 1.8 usable.
Try to see if a linux usb thumbdrive recogizes all the 4gb of ram, possibly its windoss fault, not your chipset nor board
Darn you...
Before watching your videos - all computer junk was nicely tucked away in the attic
After watching some videos - computer parts spread all over the attic floor and table
After watching some more videos - built 3 retro machines triple-booting MS-DOS/winME/WinXP
After watching even more videos - found a micro-atx board for my arcade machine which was collecting dust due to missing parts
Current situation - Unboxed old consoles, placed a few shelfs, unwrapped an old couch and now my attic has turned into a retro gaming den / 2nd living room!!
Yes, that's all YOUR fault! Quake LAN on E1M7? Yes, please! Starcraft co-op? Awesome!
You really need to invest in some 90 and 270 degree right angle SATA cables (on one, the little orientation notch points toward the cable while on the other it points away from the cable). This will generally allow you to use SATA ports that fall under cards and the total investment will only be a few dollars.
Hey. Socket 775 is the best option for this year! Easily available, solid, reliable and has great compatibility. We could compare S775 to Windows XP in term of longevity. Both of them been used not the same time, but for quiet long time by me. So yes, I highly recommend Socket 775 to build your retro pc, It will last and support wide range of early to mid 3D games as well as DOS. My very first attemp of checking new company ASROCK was ASRock 4CoreDual-SATA2, it was something completely new to me and I was possitively surprised with Asrock products. Other Socket775 manufacturers I would recommend will be Gigabyte. I wish Socket 775 had better socket design, tiny pins are sensitive and susceptible to damage, so be careful when building your own. I had lesson fixing pins on ABIT LG-95C. Good video as always Phil, my day was worth entering youtube today.
PROSTO4Tabal for me 775 is better for win7 or vista and duron/athlon xp processor for win98/win xp
@@maxgoodman9239 I didn't mean xp+775, but early 775 will be good for xp and later good for win7, I didn't switch to Win10 and still use Win7 x64 which cover my all needs flawlessly
Nice project!!! Your channel deserves a lot more subs dude. Keep at it. 👍
Dang, still a really good retro computing video creator, Phil, please keep it up as is, your videos have a heck of a charm behind them, that might be difficult for you to see.
Some socket 775 can have really good windows 98 support as well as c2d support !
I have a GA-VM900M (via P4M900 chipset) and everything works (igp, network, USB ...) except the sound. So that makes it a good uATX mobile as many things you'd add with an expansion card is already working. I'm planning to install a PCI-e GeForce in order to get faster video performance and a PCI sound card
I saw this video, and was thinking, wait didn't he already do this, but no, I was thinking of the Core 2 Quad video.
Yea I did mention in that video that I will follow with more sensible and suitable parts :)
I built a dirt cheep pc with this motherboard, must be like 10 years ago now, it's got a q6600 in it, and is still in daily use by my sister, with windows 10, just for shopping Netflix UA-cam etc, never given even a hint of a problem!
This is a good video, something I've actually been considering doing. Simply just because the components are alot less than the proper retro stuff. Definitely considering a 98 machine now.
I am hugely grateful to you for posting this video. Based on your recommendation, I bought a socket 775 Pentium 4 3.06ghz with Gigabyte motherboard and 2Gb RAM for only £20 delivered from ebay. I removed 1 RAM stick to leave 1Gb and win98 installed perfectly. Its Intel 915P chipset. However, to be safe I have ordered a pair of 256mb DDR2 DIMMS for £2 delivered, as I believe over 512mb can be problematic for some software.
These G31 boards are dirt cheap, and so are low-end 775 CPUs. The hardest part is finding a cheap cooler, especially if you get an old Northwood or Prescott CPU. I got a couple of old machines for free that my mate was going to throw out, and I've been playing with windows 98 as well as linux on the G31 chipset one. I also got a 965 chipset board, but I wanted to play around with more modern CPUs, so I went with the G31. Lots of fun!
Phil, you are the best !!! Once again, asking a question about the next retro configuration, I find the answers in your videos. And it's just a great pleasure to watch your videos. Unfortunately, for some reason, your site "PhilsComputerLab" does not open from the territory of Russia, and I had to look for your collection of benches on third-party resources. Thanks for your work! Your subscriber is from Russia.
I'm using Weebly for the site and it seems to not work with some countries. Not sure why...
Motherboard layout is always the thing I stressed over. Not every board with the right layout is good and very few good boards have the right layout often times. This is in my experience anyways. Fantastic video Phil! I may try this out sometime! 😀
Im having fun with win98se on a skt939 system atm, (MSI Neo2 platinum motherboard) i love 98 think i always will, 95 was where it begun for me even win 3.11 can do some amazing stuff.
A PCI sound card worth looking at is one based on the ForteMedia FM801-AU chip, not perfect but work in DOS with no heavy memory hogging drivers, some down sides like being limited to SB Pro emulation and no real mixer control at least that I've found)
Hey Phil, I think some old PCIe Graphics Card have a Windows 98 Drivers which is the latest on GeForce 6 and ATi Radeon X850
Something for a future project :D
@@philscomputerlab Windows 98 PCIe drivers for Nvidia GeForce 6/7 and 8 cards!
msfn.org/board/topic/97786-geforce-67-and-8-agppci-e-driver-edition-for-win98me-by-zak/
I'll watch this later but this title is why I bought another 478 socket mother board 8 US dallor. Because HP d530 is my most invaluable board to run win 98 or dos. So I think this board someday will stop working . I don't have any pci vga card however alot of agp cards. So this another board will save my life time. D530 of course still works fine. See you^^
I have a socket 939 motherboard with an AGP slot with a AGP Radeon 9800 pro GPU. Nice video. I still love socket 775 stuffs.
9:03 : My Favorite, CNC
i remember when i had a p3 based system and gta vc can run on it properly on xp so i use windows 98 to play smoothly on igpu
Planning on building my Win98 SE with socket 478 mb (Asus P4P 800-E deluxe) and ATI 3850 video card
I'm not sure that GPU has drivers for 98...
Not sure about Unreal + nGlide, I think the D3D or the Unreal 227 OpenGL renderer would be a bit better.
I think that the blue screen is because w98 tries the disable devices even if the bios says disable because sometimes there were jumpers on the audio device that ignore the bios.
Hi All, nice video
Hmm you forgot the key phrase, " If it has a BIOS we will flash it" , you changed it a bit this time.
With mother board purchases, i check ebay, and get the make and model number, then open a tab to the motherboard manufacturer and paste in the model and see if they have 95/98/XP drivers before i decide to purchase a motherboard - unless it cleary has the OEM cdrom and states on the cdrom win98 drivers etc
Sometimes, you can go by the date of the board or the spec sheet, if you are lucky you can use no drivers other than win98 stock
I always use WIn 98 SE as it is the latest and supports more "newer" hardware and runs OK with USB2 with some update - use the separate add on card with NEC usb chips !!!
For me it is the 512k limit, often with 2G it will install and after the reboot you get the memory failure ( actually says to low on memory ) and i find it to hard to set it to run in safe mode or what it takes to apply the large memory mods / patch
BTW with command an conquer, you can highlight people / units / trucks etc and press Control and any number between 1 and 9 , this groups them together, then in game simply press the number pad and those people / cars ( still alive ) are active and you can position them,. good to place all minigunners together, or tanks , jeeps, helicopters, dogs , spy - btw for people, use a mixture of mini gunner , grenaders and rockets guys as lookouts and also they can defend long - medium - short range
Also perfect for retreat or getting all vehicles or helicopters to one site ( planes and helicopters to refuel , cars to go to a location and the mobile mechanic on a different number to repair them ), also when you attack a base, you can have siferent personel on say N-S-E-W locations
Regards
George
I have a Celeron D'isaster lga775 chip 3.06Ghz chip laying around and was toying with the idea of seeing if I could install Win98 SE I wonder if it will play nicely with Win98 it has a IDE DVD burner in it but the motherboard I need to recap it runs I have tonnes of 1gb sticks of ddr 1 ram laying around the IDE HDD died but it does have sata.
Ever since i saw them advertized in a magazine i wanted Asrock MB cause they look so cool... maybe one of these days!
asrock 775i65g ( !!! ) // & USB sound card
Would love to see a E8600, PCI fx5500 GPU (without and with GPU overclock), SSD, 512 x 2 ram duel channel (rloew). To see what the pci fx5500 can do with zero CPU bottleneck and all that available cache.
A "3 years later" build revisit after the GPU overclock issue was figured out in the comments.
I thought there are no Windows 98 drivers for 9*5, G31 and newer Intel chipsets. So I decided to buy SIS and VIA based 775 motherboards for Windows 98 retro gaming PC. Why not to use PCI-E videocard instead? 6600 series is very cheap and have great performance. Also there is even 6800 drivers. Of PCI-E bus in G31 won't work with Windows 98?
You are correct, there are no such drivers! You might have noticed that I didn't install any chipset drivers, they are not needed for PCI devices :)
Isn't a Pentium 4 cheaper? Plus you have AGP and better DOS compatibility. A P4 3GHz, FX5500 AGP and SB Live is all you need.
Great video Phil I own the same graphics card I had no idea you could use a glide wrapper for 3DFX games.
Yea AFAIK it needs a DX9 graphics card to work.
Great project! I am very interested in getting a working DOS PCI sound card too. Hopefully with one of those easy to get Creative Labs ones.
I got a Intel Celeron 440 2Ghz LGA775 for 25p may use it. Finally found a use for a celly.
Hi Phil, long time viewer and subscriber of your channel - really love your work and advice - it's been inspirational! I just wanted to ask where you got the Gotek drive with the USB port on the back around 5:16 in the video? Can you post a link to it? Thanks!
I don't have a link, but what I do is just scroll for a while (run a search on GOTEK USB) and you should find one. There aren't many listings, so you might need to search a while. Look on eBay, Amazon and AliExpress!
What version of nvidia driver for this project?
Suggestion for next videos: how use two OS on same PC, 98 for 3d and later DOS games and XP or even linux distro to run DOSbox or other games.
I thought it was shown in the video, but it's not :/ So I used 56.64, which supports this card out of the box. But the popular 45.23 can be manually installed / forced if you wish.
@@philscomputerlab I tried the 45.23 on my TU4VX (p3 1GHz) and the installer dont detected my fx5500. With 56.64, slowed down games like UT . No sure if is the VIA chipset dont liking the driver.
another use that i find to be fascinating at least for me, is that with such retro PC, could be a perfect for installing oldie but goldie OS, such OS/2 or something else..
Build a LGA 1155 retro (not too retro because the motherboard is from early 2011) gaming PC with Windows 98 or XP installed and test Quake 2 and Unreal on it.
I personally like only ich6-based lga775 platforms for wi98 builds. Ich7 doesn't supported by official drivers. Only proprietary wi98 standart drivers available
even with 775 with core 2 quad still strong enough for pc gaming build for now. :D
mATX mainboards, based on i945gz chipset, usually have 3 pci slots and support Celeron 420 - 440 Conroe-L. Also they might be cheaper. Asrock had 2 such models. G31 would be good for PC with quad core CPU. But I understand you have G31 at hand and make the interesting video.
better use xeons for this motherboard
I think I might have one of these motherboards that has a dual core 2 processor. I'm going to look for it at some point and I might have a Pentium 4 processor to put in it, in my parts box. I also have a sound blaster live but no driver for it. I will probably use a different GPU or whatever suitable GPU I can get my hands on for a reasonable price.
Great content as always Phil 🙂
I did the emulation test because I have one celeron 420 as a daily pc, it is a good pc for not having noise nor heat but it cannot run n64 emulation, sadly because nowadays it would make a really decent pc for old games, I replaced with a pentium e5400 and was way better.
I have Geforce 6200tc and will use that instead.
my old pc have the same motherboard. good times :)
If you have multiple computers rather than all these seperate devices for each individual machine I think it is probably cheaper and easier to have a network server for storing media and disk images. That way if you want to install a title you just download it over your network. As pretty much any router you buy has gigabit networking included plus any modern motherboard, it just seems like the easiest way. And hey, if you can't reach every system with a cable you can still do this over wireless or over the electric circuit.
Way to slow for me, Windows 98 networking can't be compared to modern experience.
You should look into the ATI Rage XL 8MB PCI. The chips where made for a very long time for onboard graphics in servers and china has tons of the chips around so is still making generic cards with the chip. It has no problem running Resident Evil 1-3, Quake 2, Dino Crysis, Carnivors, Turok etc and they can be had new for less then $30 on ebay and newegg.
That's actually a lot of money for what you're getting...
@@philscomputerlab Brand new manufactured parts is the benefit i see with them but you can get allot better newer stuff for cheaper. The black pcb rage xl i got off newegg 2 years ago was only $15 shipped and well its brand new.
Are you gonna do anything related to Linux soon? It would be cool to see what you could do :)
Windows 98 on unsupported motherboard
Internal VGA requires Windows 2000/XP/Vista/7 and newer.
GeForce FX 5500, the videocard that supports Windows 95/98/Me/NT4/2000/XP/Vista and newer.
hey, I got this same motherboard and cpu setup too. after installing windows 98, my cd-rom isn't showing up My Computer. What happened?
Nice job Phil. The problem is its is extremely hard to find a 775 mobo with AGP slot, or to find a PCI-E or even PCI gpu with win9x drivers. These issues hinder and frustrate me a lot when I try to build my retro 775 PC.
That gets me thinking, which is harder to find? Board or GPU?
The SB16 problem is usually an I/O error. I've been able to reallocate IRQ/DMA to get everything working. I think it's rather important for SB16 emulation to be working on a Win98 build.
Are you experiences on Socket 775 with G31 or newer chipset, or general tips for older machines?
@@philscomputerlab It was a build for a client with a Dell Dimension 4700, which is socket 775, but I'm not sure what the chipset is. (It was Intel, at the least) The Dell BIOS on that model is particularly inflexible--I'm curious if I could flash a better BIOS onto it. I remember disabling parallel which was helpful, and then I reassigned some options with conflicting motherboard resources in device manager and I got it running.
I'm also not sure if it was a similar enough SB Live! card but I presume they're all pretty similar. I was using one of the Dell OEM cards, though it was from a different Dell machine and tracking down the correct drivers was trying. I found a universal image on VOGONS.
i have a similar motherboard, mine's is a replacement cus one of the cpu pins bent in the old motherboard. I currently have it with a pentium dualcore with 4 threads at 3.0ghz but it can go all the way to a core 2 duo extreme, if i can find it for cheap
I dunno if audio is truly crystal clear. Using digital connections means that sound card just sends data to speakers and speakers do digital to analog conversion. I bet that better conversion quality is by sound card, instead of whatever DAC is in speakers themselves. But in the end, I wouldn't say for sure that difference is really that big.
Yes, everything is digital, the video capture was done with optical as well.
Tiberian Sun.. nothing else matters in this video
I build millenium pc with win me,athlon 1200 and radeon 7500 agp card. is this a good choice?
Hi Phil! Can I ask you what device you use to capture/record videos from 5:4 and 4:3 aspect ratio resolutions?
Nice build!
hey Phil! awesome video as always. :)
can you help me a bit? i have a question: which PCI-e graphics card will be the best for Windows 98 SE?
dudes i game on my 775 socket even today quadcore processor in it works good i put gtx 1050 in it and bam works like charm
How's the FX 5500 with glide compare to your videos using FX Ultras and Quadro FX 3000s with glide? The price to performance ration of the FX 5500 seems like it could be a more attractive option.
I totally agree going full ATX. You could add an Aureal Vortex2 card and add A3D and some DOS gaming capability.
Well this one is PCI, so a lot weaker. The faster FX outperformed a Voodoo 5 using nGlide.
wow that amazing!! i almost to purchase expensive used slot 370 mainboard just want to playing win 98 era games, so any 775 board model can install windows 98?
Resurrected reference LGA775 motherboard (manufactured 2003-all Nichicon caps failed), Pentium 4 631, 256MB PCX 5750 (FX5700 Ultra, came with the motherboard), Creative Live Value, 512MB DDR....I might have my next project at hand.
The nvidia 5500 is subpar for any gaming even Ut99 or ut2004 - ati 9700 or 9800 is a must but the need more than 300w from a noname powersupply which cards like nvidia 4200 dont need but nvidia 5900xt need pretty much the same as 9800 pro. Never had any Ati 300, 600 so i dont performance. The only way I can tell this computer performance if You installed the ut2004 demo and showed the ingame fps - I should guess it ould hower around 50 fps but maybe 40 in onslaught.
I wonder if it's worth getting a Gotek as my Retro PC has USB (GA-586ATXv3 board) and I got USB drives working even under DOS 6.22.
Still love the 136in1 build (with a Voodoo 2) most, because later Win9x games are relatively easy to get to work under modern Windows thanks to dgVoodoo. Tried other glide wrappers in the past but was never satisfied. Only 16 bit games, games with 16 bit installers without modern installers / workarounds available or speed sensitive Windows games like Betrayal in Antara are problematic. The ones I can't get to run under modern Windows will run perfectly on my 136in1 build.
Btw, I can't seem to get the Midi solution with the UM-ONE mk2 and Falcosoft Midi Player to work. The UM-ONE doesn't seem to receive Midi signals from neither SB 32 nor Audician 32. Feeding it with data from my modern PC works though. Could this be caused by a problematic power supply? Using the SB 32 GM and MT32 emulation causes the 136in1 to crash and reboot. The only game working with MT32 emulation is Monkey Island 2. Duke 3D and KQ4 causing crashes.
I'm waiting for a "new" PSU that besides longer cables and 2 SATA connectors (needing both for putting it into my modern silent case) also offers 0.8A on the minus 5V rail, while the current one only offers 0.3A. Wonder if this might help.
I'm not sure if that motherboard can boot from USB though... What I do is use the standard GOTEK with the retro PC, and the USB GOTEK on the modern PC for creating boot disks, copying games and all of that.
@@philscomputerlab It sadly can't but is not really needed in my case. Got a normal USB floppy drive and a program to write images if I need a bootable one. For putting games on the system the USB stick works perfectly fine and should be much faster too. You just have to make sure to get the right usbaspi.dll for DOS as there are different versions and only v2.20 is working for me.
The USB keyboard support BIOS option is interesting though as it cause the system to hang when trying to initialise the SB 32 PnP soundcard via CTCM. Loading the USB drivers for the stick doesn't and works without USB keyboard support.
Besides the USB problems, only DOS 6.22 or FreeDOS work with using standard IRQs and DMAs. Pure DOS 7.1 causes most IRQs and DMAs not to be usable by the SB 32. Only IRQ11, DMA3 and High DMA 7 do.
Win98 (minus boot to DOS mode) works perfectly fine without any Soundcard Problems including the SB32 General Midi and MT32 emulation in DN3D, DOOM1/2 and Monkey Island 2. MI2 might actually sound better than under DOS but still far from perfect. Also none of the Blue Screens you mentioned in your GA-586ATX review. DMA mode for HDDs (mine is a 60GB one) also doesn't work though.
🙂 do ur research, on fleabay the 775 boards that have more value are the ones that have 4 ram slots and that support a Core2Quad Q9650, while ur there look for the oem intel Q9650 cpu cooler, its a little beast, big chunky aluminum fins, solid copper core, heavy metal steel X mounting bracket 😎
It's a secret.
Shhhhutuuuuuup...
@@batman9592 ☺️ LOL yeah ur right, we dont want any competition picking up the really good stuff on fleabay for dirt cheap 😉 Thats why I didnt mention 'exactly' what boards to look for, i only said 'do ur own fkn research' ✌️😏
Thank you you remainded me of old game I used to play back day but did not save it name in my memory
Starwars !! where can I find this game now
Hi I would like to see a video featuring a q6600 on the Asrock 775i65g with some fast agp card. It would be intresting to see how it performs in windows xp. Thanks.
So this board has AGP, which makes it a bit special and 98 compatible. For windows XP, you can use just any regular 775 board with PCIe.
Man, what timing! I was planning on building a micro ATX Win 98 machine, and this came at a really good time. Couple questions though:
• Would a Pentium 4 or Pentium 4 Extreme be too overkill for Windows 98?
• Is it necessary to disable the onboard video and audio? (in case you don't have either a sound, or video card)
• Where do you find your driver for these motherboards and cards?
• When playing DOS games, is it better to play them through DOS, or does it not make a difference when playing them through Win 9X?
About the last question: Playing in DOS is better. Playing DOS games through Win 9x might resullt in graphical glitches (Destruction Derby for example), loss of performance, sound issues, controller issues.
I have a very similar machine. Celeron 450, Nvidia 5900 XT (want a Ati 9800 XT but too expansive) , Asrock Conroe865PE, 512 MB DDR, 80GB WD IDE Hard- and CD Drive. A real floppy drive for Authenticity. I also have a question. Why is Windows ME sooo bad for DOS Games or in general? I Remember that i had Windows ME installed and it run way better than Windows 98 SE.
Not sure, I always use 98 SE with my projects :)
wew i got that same motherboard in my old with core 2 quad q8400 gt 730 gpu and a 4 gigs of ram, then running on windows 10
Phil, love your videos man, watch them every time. I have a question: I`ve got a P4 3.2 HT (the first processor I bought) and really wanted to use it on a Windows 98 sistem. Can you present me some motherboard model that can disable the HT and lower the clock so I can use it with Win98?
Tnx man!
In my experience, you don't need to disable HT. Even when enabled, Windows 98 will not use it. I can confirm this with an ASRock 775i65G motherboard and a Pentium 4 520 (2.8 GHz) with the Prescott Core, with HT enabled. I actually have two of these machines and dual boot them both with Windows 98SE and Windows XP (I do have to disable the USB 2.0 Enhanced Host Controller Interface in Windows 98SE, though). The 775i65G offers a lot of options. If interested in the 775i65G, Phil has done a separate review on that board, and I would estimate that most motherboards using the Intel 865 chipset would work great. For MS-DOS games running inside of Win98SE, I find that a freeware app called "MySlow" works really well, but its settings will vary quite a bit between games. For example, if I try to run SW: Dark Forces, I use MySlow to allow me to run with the "General MIDI" music option.
@@AIM9XSW Wow, tnx for the response man. Gonna give it a look!
@PhilsComputerLab So i have this mobo with an e 8400 Core 2 Duo + 4gb ddr2 @800Mhz and i m wondering if i can use a 6700xl or a 6600 pcie GeForce Cards for Win98SE . Any answer i would apreciate , cause i wanna built some kind of an ultimate win 98 pc.
Is there something like snappy driver installer that works in windows 98? I know that snappy only supports up to Windows 2k and XP.
I purchased one of these fx cards for my Pentium 4. It works fine at 800x600. Maybe I was a little unrealistic in my expectations, but I was hoping to use this to play at 1600x1200. However the performance of this card just was not up to it in the couple of games I tested (Star Trek Elite Force, Colin McRae Rally 2.0 and Motorhead). I have now ordered a PCI-e Quadro FX 1300 in the hopes that will be better, but I am expecting compatability issues with Win98 and PCIe! Have you done any videos with Win98 and PCIe? My motherboard does not have AGP
I think socket 775 is a little bit overkill for w98
At first glance maybe. But with a 1.6 GHz single core CPU, FX 5500 and Sound Blaster Live! it fits pretty well :D
@@philscomputerlab yeah but i still think this pc will be better suited for xp, also if you're using that crappy celeron.
@@philscomputerlab oh and, for my retrogaming i've just got a dell d610 for just 25€, with a pentium m 740 (1.73ghz, single core, no hyper thread) and 1gb of ram, for now i have installed windows 10 on it, and is super crappy (is struggling to play this video in 480p lol), planning to install windows xp on it.
We do it not because we must, BUT BECAUSE WE CAN.
I remember the same reactions back in the days when everyone built high performance PCI 486 machines and there I was, promoting the Socket 7 platform :D Nobody was interested, prices were dirt cheap. So yea, I have no idea what's going to happen, but prices are super cheap now, so get in early :D
That's impressive performance for a PCI card. I have an Athlon XP 2600 with 1gb RAM, what card should I get for some decent Win98 gaming? I don't want lag or frame drops. Something that will play nicely up to 2002-03 games. I have agp 8x
Radeon 9700/9800 would be very period-correct...
I could have sworn those FX 5500 PCI cards only worked if your motherboard had an AGP slot.
Hey there, i recommend you try a retro gaming pc using debian distros like ubuntu mate and linux mint, i think this can be a good project since you can play your old games and use a secure system that can access the internet
Have you ever tried a SATA to IDE adapter? I was wondering if those might be a good solution for motherboards that don't have SATA ports or VIA boards where the ports only work with SATA 1 drives.
I have about six of those SB Live cards. Can't get a single one of them to work. It's really frustrating. They work fine in XP, but I can't find a 98SE driver that works for any of them.
I'm starting to think that crappy driver support is one of the reasons that Creative soundcards stopped being mainstream.
CT number(s) of those cards? Maybe you've got Compaq OEM variants.
I glued together a S754 98se pc yesterday, and IMO it's much better idea than hacking around with a cheap LGA775 boards for now, the S754 support 98se natively, they have AGP, performace is a bit of an overkill already, soooo :)
(Athlon 64 2800+, 768 MB of RAM, GF2 MX200 [my 9200SE is dead sadly], old 320 GB HDD, SB Live!)
Socket 754 is fully Windows 98 compatible, no need to glue anything :) I've covered multiple Windows 98 builds with 754 and 939 as well as 478 and of course all the authentic older stuff.
"glue" as in "put together in a box, also I did it mostly by taking inspiration from these videos, they were very helpful :)
What are the specs listed?
I've been looking for an affordable Win98/DOS gaming PC for quite a while and this sounds like a great alternative. How would this run DOS games? I know some of them will run way too fast but slomo can fix that. How about the SB16 emulation?
I do not recommend this if you are keen on DOS! Check out my Socket A builds, they work brilliant with DOS, but you do need specific PCI sound cards.
One of my current win98 test builds is on a Gigabyte EP45-DS3 motherboard with a core 2 duo and 2 gig ddr2 and nvidia 7900gs graphics card and an audigy sound card. I had trouble getting win98 to work on a IDE HDD because of the jmicron ide controller, but a SATA HDD worked fine. In fact I used a 320gb SATA HDD, with a 128gb FAT32 partition within the first 137gb of the HDD for win98, and the rest formatted as NTFS for winXP dualboot. No data corruption so far, so this is probably quite viable. Ram was limited to 512mb using himemx.exe under win98. Machine works pretty well overall, theres some occasional stutters but I guess its just the cpu overheating because I used crappy old paste
@Kathleen Shaw what for, no game will ever need this much, if anything I should probably further lower it down below 400 as Jane's Longbow 2 doesnt work with more than that, afaik