Doesnt surprise me that Makita pulls this off. By far, the best and smoothest saws ive used. Also, how compact it is, and I bet it would score the best for less vibration.
Gas is pretty easy, engines already rated in HP can convert to watts. Cordless, we've found their drive shaft outputs are each pretty unique and hard to adapt to a motor so far
@@TorqueTestChannelinstall a bike sprocket where the chain drive attaches and use a bike chain, you can mount the chain saw to a jig to keep tension on it
I have the Dewalt 60v DCS578B, it's a beast, and it feels way more powerful than the milwaukee circular saw I use at work (which I think is the 2732-20). And when I bought it, it was $170, roughly the same price as all the other dewalt circular saws.
So last fall I bought a ridgid tool only for $89. Also own six 4 amp batteries so my deal crushed your chart👍🏼It’s a pleasure to use, weight below my ‘89 porter cable corded.
Awesome comparison. I would like to see how the Makita XSRO1Z 18V X2 rear handle compares for sure. I have one if you have trouble finding one for any reason.👍
I have the XGT rear handle 7 1/4 and love it. It is a little heavier but noticeably more powerful than the older 18x2 lxt. The bigger 10 inch XGT is a beast too! I could mail you one to try out.
Great test! now we are just missing the Bosch saw tested, locally to me in Europe the GKS 18V-68 C PROFESSIONAL is stated to be equivalent to a 1800w corded tool.
4thewin tested a whole bunch of 7 1/4 saws pretty thoroughly. The Bosch should be similar to the Dewalt tested in this vid. Makita XGT, Dewalt DCS 577 and the Flex should be the most powerful.
I've been using the XGT saw for a couple years for framing work and it's still running strong. I wish it had the 0° notch the base the M18 fuel saw does for ripping, other than that i have no complaints.
I want to see the Bosch PROFACTOR GKS18V-25CN. There's a more expensive track compatible one with the -25GCN designation but it should not make any difference in performance; it just brings a control panel with speed selection and battery life
@@proscriptus Those flexvolt batteries are pricey, but Dewalt often has sales going on. Example, I got the 578 model with 2, 9 ah batteries and a 380 reciprocating saw for $450.
@@proscriptus In addition to what the other commenter stated, the 60v batteries are comparable to other high voltage batteries, and are able to be used for other applications like weedeaters. Not to mention they're cross compatible with your 20v tools, so they provide a lot more value when examined as an eco system.
I really didn't expect the makita saw to be on top in this list. I own one, got it to help my plunge saw ripping boards as more powerful one until I got 270mm(10-5/8") saw. It is quite accurate and has a sturdy base, not every saw has it. Can't wait to get hold on 6-1/2" model, should be lighter with same(or more) power.
Makita make the best saws, and when its most powerful in addition its an easy choice. Had the 7.5”XGT almost 2 years, the magnesium base fits directly on Makita rails, the cut quality is amazing even with standard blades, still didnt need to fit fine tooth blades.
I have that Kobalt saw and it is definitely a chungus. I haven't done anything very demanding with it, just breaking down plywood and rough cutting 2x# lumber. The only issue I've encountered is the powder coating on the foot was "sticky" and made cutting plywood a bit annoying because it would feel like there was something stopping you from pushing forward. After I buffed on some paste wax it was as smooth as butter though.
It was pretty cool to see Hilti make an appearance here, always had a lot of faith in their tools. I just gave up on my Metabo 18v metal cutting circ saw in favor of the M18 fuel 8" metal cutter, what a difference. It's too bad there aren't more options in the cordless metal cutting circular saw arena, that's a video I'd like to see.
I’ve always liked Makita and Hilti due to their independent ways.. and always admired Hilti’s heavy, industrial tools.. their 18v stuff has seemed pretty underwhelming, though.
I'm all Makita, especially for saws. I use Makita saws for their smoothness and quality. I'm sure the other XGT saws will be plenty powerful, and I'd bet much smoother than the others.
@@petermuller3995 I personally don't have a chainsaw, but if I did I wouldn't buy Makita for that. I actually like a little bit of weight on my rear handle saw. For me, less vibration is the most important thing in a saw and Makita is the best there.
I love circular saws I use a Dewalt flexvolt 60v. It works as well as a corded saw. Not as much as premium ones mind you. Also there are worm style saws. I also have a Dewalt flex volt non 60v which is a solid saw with a 6ah flexvolt battery.
Now that you have tested so many different tool across battery platforms, I would love to see a video where you compare the companies against each other. Not only testing the individual tools but how many of their tools score well along with how long their catalogs are for tools offered, and change up the math for the value chart since a person wouldn't need to buy a battery with each tool.
I thought about this as well. They all use the same or similar cells across their product lineups so it would be hard to match like that. Ah to Ah testing would be a good measure though. Runtime and peak output
yea I imagine it wouldn't be the easiest thing to do. Although he could restrict the tests to tier/Ah ide love to see just how each brand stacks up against eachother. The price of some tools are easier to swallow when you have already choked on the initial BatRay cost. @@D3M3NT3Dstrang3r
So as much as it sounds good, Flex and Milwaukee will be at a close 1 and 2 and as messed up as it is by the cost to performance metric they use Kobalt and a couple others will be way up there. However Chervon which is Flex, Kobalt, Skil, Ego and a few others or TTI which is Milwaukee, Ridgid, Ryobi, are the best parent companies. So go with Chervon or TTI and be happy with a good warranty and good tools for the price. Hilti would be way up there but they aren't really a fair competitor for most brands and the price point just breaks most people on them. Hilti is for big companies with big budgets cause they do have the absolute best warranty in the tool game. Flex was doing 20 years which was just as good but I think they've stopped it.
Outstanding channel! Very accurate and worthy testing of actual arbor output, no bogus claims cutting materials of variable density. The most capable saws should be the Flex rear handle on 24V Stacked Lithium 10AH battery and DeWalt Flex rear handle 60V on the largest battery they make. Interested to see the Skilsaw rear handle worm beast! I have all the most capable cordless and found them to meet and even outperform the best 15AMP corded! Again great channel! Keep up the superb work! Subscribed
TTC out here with $1800 in saws on a 50-70K view video. Not sure how many people realize that's like $200-250 for a channel. This is a straight up public service
For over half my life I used a corded worm-drive saw which kept the blade on the left and made cutting (the viewing of the cut line mostly) extremely manageable. I would only use the direct drive corded saws for metal or concrete board or other weird non-lumber stuff. But I have to say I've gotten used to the direct drive battery saws to the point where the corded saw seems clunky. Thanks for the great content!
Both left and right saws, are easy to operate, and the myths going around about a Worm Drive saw being "so much easier" are really not true at all. I have a Makita 1990's Worm Drive (hypoid) drive saw that is so heavy and unbalanced, and it makes great cuts because it's so heavy, but it only turns 4,400 rpms which is way too low for building fine furniture or cutting nice finished laminated woods. A right blade saw, you don't get any dust blowing back in your face. This is the major benefit to holding a right blade saw, in your right hand. You can still do all the same stuff, but the sawdust shoots away from you, instead of back in your face. The left blade Worm Drive saws are ideal for framers who enjoy sawdust in their face (many men seem to love being covered in fine dust and chemicals). But a right blade saw, used with a long straight edge, will have a much higher blade RPM (5,500 to 6,000 rpm) and will produce a better cut, with no sawdust getting in your face. A Worm Drive saw has no dust ejection port, and they create a huge cloud of sawdust that goes straight back into your face.
M18 FUEL™ 7-1/4" Circular Saw 2732 Made many decks, sided and roofed a few houses, framed a couple of apartment buildings, 6ish years old and still going strong as hell!
I’d love to see you guys get your hands on a 5/8AH 40V pack. Also the Makita GSR01 is an absolute beast. I am trying to get the new BL4040F and the GA053 40V grinder, it’s supposed to be an 1800W grinder and it spins at 10,500 RPM!
I have the ridgid brushless 7&1/4 and it's probably my least favorite ridgid tool. Works fine if you set everything up perfectly but if you're even a little off the blade binds way too easily. Might have to pick up one of these 8ah batteries
The blade binding might not be from the battery. Could be from the anti-kickback being too sensitive. All battery powered saws come with this feature I believe.
Surprised you didn't include an actual Skilsaw, which is largely a genericization for 'circular saw' in many areas, that is how synonymous it is with circular saws. Heck, Skilsaw was the first circular saw. That being said, fantastic video as always, and I cannot wait for future circular saw comparisons!
Here is the new Skil right blade cordless. Looks like a really nice saw, but some reports of battery failures. SKIL PWR CORE 20 XP Brushless 20V 7-1/4 In. Circular Saw, Tool Only- CR5440B-00@@TorqueTestChannel
Also, looking to see how the 60v 578 does. I bought it a few years ago and it's been a beast with the 21700 9/3ah packs. No reason to rotate it off the work van during these few years.
I'd love to see direct battery comparisons. There are adapters to interchange batteries cross-brand. It would be interesting to see which brand makes the best battery and what it would do for some of the more powerful tools (custom battery included, of course)
@@TorqueTestChanneloff the top of my head, there's the 3D printer guy you collaborated with to make " the Beans" Makita battery. Couldn't you adapt all 18v battery to the same custom ridiculously overbuilt connector. So all batteries end up run through an adapter made by the same guy. It's not the exact same adapter granted, but the advantage being you get an idea of how each battery cells and connector style impacts performance? Or if you got the coin, you could cut off the base of multiple broken tools, solder that to your own custom connector and test max wattage? Idk if it's even worth it, but it would be interesting
Would love to see the makita 4131 (or similar) tested my experience with cold cut/metal cut saws make them feel more powerful. Could just be the blades.
I just wish for the loot you drop they would be that much better. Pay twice as much to get maybe a tenth more. They do have a good warranty though. Hilti the other big red, for big companies with even bigger budgets.
Their warranty and customer service is way above average. I have the 4hd hammer drill/driver, they make a 6hd but the 4hd is plenty of beans I've used it to mix a 5gallon of paint and with the excellent clutch also drive .5" brass screws. Been running cordless drill/drivers since the early 80's (black and decker nicad? Makita 9.6v with a Jacob's chuck?) and am recommending the Nuron line.
@@JT-lq4yd i have it too; you're not alone - it's a beast. I want to see that scariness quantified, though - I'm going to guess it's about 13 MegaJasons, if i'm doing the SI scariness unit conversion correctly 😂
I really like your channel, it's packed with great information. I have to say though that very few jobs have a supervisor standing behind you keeping track of exactly how long you take to complete your job or how much force you have to provide to do it. Thanks for the unbiased comparison.
Oh most definitely, you have a point. We work on the automotive side of things, and really its just about less annoyance, wear and tear on your body. If I can have an impact do something in 2 seconds rather than listening to it for 10, it adds up at the end of the day in my general fatigue working with power tools.
I like the value of straight cuts that guide tracks capable saws bring to the table. It would be interesting to see how these non-plunge guide track saws do.
I would like to see 5AH and 8AH batteries of Makita XGT on this Saw because "Tools & Stuff" already showed, that these two batteries tend to give these demanding tools just a little bit more grunt. Great Stuff so far!
Dewalt and flex rear handle saws have the most power right now will be interesting to see what happens with makita when they release the high output battery's that will be comeing to XGT line they may even have stacked lithium in around a year from now. Would be cool if Dewalt had Flexvlot stacked lithium battery that thing would smoke everything
I really like makita tools personally they tend to have less vibration and feel smooth have nice smooth baseplate on the saws as well that glide nicely compared to others.
I score a lot of lowes clearance!!! $139 for an XTR 5 piece kit (which also includes the saw in this test) $79 for DeWalt DA auto polisher, $77 for EGO misting fan, $29 Kobalt impact wrenches (I ended up buying 4, a couple in 1/2” and couple in 3/8” and keep one in each car for a quick flat tire change, which I’ve had 3 in the past month with different family members). The lowes clearance deals are insane!!
As always I wanna see craftsmen with a 9 ah battery to see if it worth buying and does it make every tool as good as others who do kinda what you do but your best at showing it in my opinion
I agree about paying so much for a saw. They do have there place but at most construction sites that isn’t it. I’ll buy a $100 corded saw with drop cords all day long before I blow $400 on a cordless. Batteries are expensive , downtime for them to charge , advanced electronics to fail vs a corded saw where the cable may get cut or a broken trigger switch, both of which can be repaired at the jobsite.
I have the Makita HS001 (Japan only 40V) it’s a 6.5” saw and can cut up to 67mm deep. I would send it to you guys if y’all are planning to test 6.5 inchers!
I would love to see some 3/4 air impacts being tested. I have a Cornwell CAT3225A which is a rebranded IR 2146, but I'd also like to see aircat, CP, Earthquake and the like. As always, amazing content
Blade that stands up more under load before going blunt = more cuts per battery. It would be interesting to work out a testable workflow, perhaps beginning with a fresh battery and blade, and work out how many cuts it takes before you're getting half the cuts per charge. Add in a cost of time per cut, and blade cost, and that might be a fun metric.
If you yest the rear handle saws make sure you measure how far the body is away from the center of the saw. The further it is from the blade the more stress is on your wrist if you cut with your left hand. It also makes it easier for when the drop off drops for the saw to swing off the workpiece which isn’t the most safe. Also torque is most important with these tools way over speed. Tool companies will hike up the rpm’s on lower grade tools to make up for less torque. You want torque when your ripping lvl’s or 3 or 4 sheets of ply at a time.
Makita get crapped on so much by everybody, but they make amazingly ergonomic and comfortable tools. Its nice to see them stacking up in the power department now for once. Will you test the Rear handle Makita LXT (36v) and XGT saws in a separate bracket eventually? I know so many guys who swear by the rear handle 36v and have hopped on the XGT rear handle train and are blown away by it. Makita XGT have also just released a 6 1/2 inch top handle circular saw that is the more powerful equivalent of the legendary LXT saw XSH03 that is said to be amazing. It would be interesting to rate the saws by blade size as well, because obviously a 10 1/4 blade saw is going to be more powerful than a 7 1/4 or 6 1/2.
Any list with wood working tools needs Festool. So the Festool HKC 55 with the 8ah highpower battery would look nice on this one, you just have to wait a few months before that battery becomes available.
I got the ridgid with a blade, 4ahbattery and charger for 189 Canadian..really good bang for buck..I'm a milwaukee man but the ridgid's are just so close in power it's hard to justify the extra cost on some tools..I just ordered the ridgid 8ah battery cus of this test..thanks for the data showing it's worth it
really cool, interesting and informative video as always, thank you for the effort you put on every video. I would really like to see the Hercules saw in this comparison, hope you can do it. regards.
how about a quick video comparing the much cheaper refurbs to brand new tool. I have a lot of luck with refurb stuff but I wonder if Im missing out on power.
TTC is really all about "beans", their tests for power and run time. I find it interesting, mostly for their test design. However, these are not full reviews and they don't go through the design features that make for a great tool. There's a lot of other channels that will compare features and conduct a qualitative review. Those are, in my mind, much more useful to a consumer than a "beans" comparison. To use a car analogy, these guys are testing new cars on a dragstrip. Anyone who buys a car solely off its quarter mile time will probably not have a very comfortable car with a number of nice features. That said, Makita makes great saws and I am sure that XGT has very good cut depth, ergonomics, and design features. 14:22
Great video as always! I’m really excited for the new tool testing that’s gonna happen soon, both from Milwaukee (the insider ratchet looks really cool) and the Astro tools you helped design!
I have the dewalt 7 1/2in blade 60 v flexvolt and its great. I have cut alot of 2×12 roof rafters, stair stringers and it cuts 4×4s 1 pass. I really like it. However i also dewalt 20v xr and i killed it within 2 monthes.
Doesnt surprise me that Makita pulls this off. By far, the best and smoothest saws ive used. Also, how compact it is, and I bet it would score the best for less vibration.
Nope, Hercules for the win
Excited to see the dewalt 60v next. Thing is a beast.
Amen
You should see cordless vs gas chainsaws. Maybe make an adapter on the spindle of it
Gas is pretty easy, engines already rated in HP can convert to watts. Cordless, we've found their drive shaft outputs are each pretty unique and hard to adapt to a motor so far
@@TorqueTestChannelwhy not just use a chain drive? Just cut the end off a bar and mount the motor to it with a sprocket.
@@ionstorm66 Are there any chainsaw chains that fit correct that dont have teeth? We'd rather keep most of our arms in testing
@@TorqueTestChannel chainsaw+bench grinder= teeth go bye bye
@@TorqueTestChannelinstall a bike sprocket where the chain drive attaches and use a bike chain, you can mount the chain saw to a jig to keep tension on it
I'm putting my money on the DeWalt 60V Flexvolt. That thing will rip anything without bogging down. Ripping 2 inch thick LVL. No problem.
I'm with you on that. That saw is a monster, especially with a 9Ah FV battery. FlexVolt to rule them all!
I have the Dewalt 60v DCS578B, it's a beast, and it feels way more powerful than the milwaukee circular saw I use at work (which I think is the 2732-20). And when I bought it, it was $170, roughly the same price as all the other dewalt circular saws.
I hope you pick up a 5ah or 8ah makita XGT battery at some point. They really add power to these saws.
Yeah. For cross cutting small battery is fine. For ripping 5 AH makes a difference.
I bought the Makita hypoid saw, the thing is a total beast. Mine is plug in. But still a beast.
So last fall I bought a ridgid tool only for $89. Also own six 4 amp batteries so my deal crushed your chart👍🏼It’s a pleasure to use, weight below my ‘89 porter cable corded.
Awesome comparison. I would like to see how the Makita XSRO1Z 18V X2 rear handle compares for sure. I have one if you have trouble finding one for any reason.👍
It would really be great to see Bosch in the mix for these big tests.
Definitely should try the 60v flexvolt dewat it has twice the power of any other cordless I've used and not much more expensive than the 20v
don't underestimate the 36V Metabo HPT rear-handle
If you checked his chart of upcoming tests it's on there. this is just Round 1.
@@rossb5593 excited to see what it does compared to others. I do know from personal experience it's a beast though
I have the non-flexvolt XR and it sucks, wish i paid a little more for the 60v capability
@@justinhartsell4418Fully agree. I have owned it for 2 years and still going strong.
I have the XGT rear handle 7 1/4 and love it. It is a little heavier but noticeably more powerful than the older 18x2 lxt. The bigger 10 inch XGT is a beast too! I could mail you one to try out.
Great test! now we are just missing the Bosch saw tested, locally to me in Europe the GKS 18V-68 C PROFESSIONAL is stated to be equivalent to a 1800w corded tool.
I think we get that one in North America as the GKS18V-25CN
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@@gtimbraWe're putting a list together of saws recommended to us during these videos and we'll be doing the bulk of those too. Will add Bosch
@@TorqueTestChannel The track compatible version GKS18V-25GCN is supposed to be somewhat more powerful than the standard Bosch saw.
4thewin tested a whole bunch of 7 1/4 saws pretty thoroughly. The Bosch should be similar to the Dewalt tested in this vid.
Makita XGT, Dewalt DCS 577 and the Flex should be the most powerful.
I've been using the XGT saw for a couple years for framing work and it's still running strong. I wish it had the 0° notch the base the M18 fuel saw does for ripping, other than that i have no complaints.
I want to see how the 60v dewalt does, compared to a 20v Milwaukee circle saw the power difference is night and day.
20V Milwaukee?
m18 is 20v max@@henrymahoney7072
I want to see the Bosch PROFACTOR GKS18V-25CN. There's a more expensive track compatible one with the -25GCN designation but it should not make any difference in performance; it just brings a control panel with speed selection and battery life
Yes seconded
Very good video. I would also be interested to see the Bosch Biturbo tested.
Can we also see the 40v with a 8ah battery to see the power difference to the 4ah
DeWalt's 60v saws are monsters. I've had people joke about my "outdated" Flexvolt tracksaw until they see it in action.
track saw?
It'll just take a hit in scoring for the cost of batteries.
@@proscriptus Those flexvolt batteries are pricey, but Dewalt often has sales going on. Example, I got the 578 model with 2, 9 ah batteries and a 380 reciprocating saw for $450.
@@UncleIvan1 Correct, DCS520.
@@proscriptus In addition to what the other commenter stated, the 60v batteries are comparable to other high voltage batteries, and are able to be used for other applications like weedeaters. Not to mention they're cross compatible with your 20v tools, so they provide a lot more value when examined as an eco system.
I really didn't expect the makita saw to be on top in this list. I own one, got it to help my plunge saw ripping boards as more powerful one until I got 270mm(10-5/8") saw. It is quite accurate and has a sturdy base, not every saw has it. Can't wait to get hold on 6-1/2" model, should be lighter with same(or more) power.
I'm not surprised at all. It's makita, they make brilliant saws.
I own a skill mag 77 worm drive. Also a ryobi cordless. Love them both
Love my Blade left makita… curious to see how those compare later.
Makita make the best saws, and when its most powerful in addition its an easy choice. Had the 7.5”XGT almost 2 years, the magnesium base fits directly on Makita rails, the cut quality is amazing even with standard blades, still didnt need to fit fine tooth blades.
Would love to see the flex in-line 6 1/2 inch saw stack up against the rest
Me too
I have that Kobalt saw and it is definitely a chungus. I haven't done anything very demanding with it, just breaking down plywood and rough cutting 2x# lumber. The only issue I've encountered is the powder coating on the foot was "sticky" and made cutting plywood a bit annoying because it would feel like there was something stopping you from pushing forward. After I buffed on some paste wax it was as smooth as butter though.
“Chungus “ eh? Why you have to get all technical jargon on here
Milwaukees are like that. They stick to the board
It was pretty cool to see Hilti make an appearance here, always had a lot of faith in their tools.
I just gave up on my Metabo 18v metal cutting circ saw in favor of the M18 fuel 8" metal cutter, what a difference. It's too bad there aren't more options in the cordless metal cutting circular saw arena, that's a video I'd like to see.
I’ve always liked Makita and Hilti due to their independent ways.. and always admired Hilti’s heavy, industrial tools.. their 18v stuff has seemed pretty underwhelming, though.
Please test the skil worm drive saw. I really want to see how that beast performs in instrumented testing.
Rigid is aeg in Australia! I've finally worked it out.
Being a Makita guy, I’m excited, but at the same time, that Flex is the equivalent of a samurai sword in a tornado🌪️🗡️
I'm all Makita, especially for saws. I use Makita saws for their smoothness and quality. I'm sure the other XGT saws will be plenty powerful, and I'd bet much smoother than the others.
@@luisprieto4589 I am pretty happy with Makita too, the XGT saws are unfortunatly not that light anymore. And I do not use Makita for chainsaws.
@@petermuller3995 I personally don't have a chainsaw, but if I did I wouldn't buy Makita for that. I actually like a little bit of weight on my rear handle saw. For me, less vibration is the most important thing in a saw and Makita is the best there.
Great review! Could you do a vibration test on them in the future like you did with the angle grinders?
I love circular saws I use a Dewalt flexvolt 60v. It works as well as a corded saw. Not as much as premium ones mind you. Also there are worm style saws. I also have a Dewalt flex volt non 60v which is a solid saw with a 6ah flexvolt battery.
Now that you have tested so many different tool across battery platforms, I would love to see a video where you compare the companies against each other. Not only testing the individual tools but how many of their tools score well along with how long their catalogs are for tools offered, and change up the math for the value chart since a person wouldn't need to buy a battery with each tool.
I thought about this as well. They all use the same or similar cells across their product lineups so it would be hard to match like that. Ah to Ah testing would be a good measure though. Runtime and peak output
yea I imagine it wouldn't be the easiest thing to do. Although he could restrict the tests to tier/Ah ide love to see just how each brand stacks up against eachother. The price of some tools are easier to swallow when you have already choked on the initial BatRay cost. @@D3M3NT3Dstrang3r
So as much as it sounds good, Flex and Milwaukee will be at a close 1 and 2 and as messed up as it is by the cost to performance metric they use Kobalt and a couple others will be way up there. However Chervon which is Flex, Kobalt, Skil, Ego and a few others or TTI which is Milwaukee, Ridgid, Ryobi, are the best parent companies. So go with Chervon or TTI and be happy with a good warranty and good tools for the price. Hilti would be way up there but they aren't really a fair competitor for most brands and the price point just breaks most people on them. Hilti is for big companies with big budgets cause they do have the absolute best warranty in the tool game. Flex was doing 20 years which was just as good but I think they've stopped it.
@@mattadams7922 Or go with a brand who's parent company isn't headquartered in China.
Just a suggestion.
@@joshuaking34Such as:
Outstanding channel! Very accurate and worthy testing of actual arbor output, no bogus claims cutting materials of variable density. The most capable saws should be the Flex rear handle on 24V Stacked Lithium 10AH battery and DeWalt Flex rear handle 60V on the largest battery they make. Interested to see the Skilsaw rear handle worm beast! I have all the most capable cordless and found them to meet and even outperform the best 15AMP corded!
Again great channel! Keep up the superb work! Subscribed
TTC out here with $1800 in saws on a 50-70K view video. Not sure how many people realize that's like $200-250 for a channel. This is a straight up public service
TTC is like the Gamers Nexus of tool reviews. Subscribed of course.
For over half my life I used a corded worm-drive saw which kept the blade on the left and made cutting (the viewing of the cut line mostly) extremely manageable. I would only use the direct drive corded saws for metal or concrete board or other weird non-lumber stuff. But I have to say I've gotten used to the direct drive battery saws to the point where the corded saw seems clunky. Thanks for the great content!
They make left blade direct drive that are shaped like worm drive.
Both left and right saws, are easy to operate, and the myths going around about a Worm Drive saw being "so much easier" are really not true at all. I have a Makita 1990's Worm Drive (hypoid) drive saw that is so heavy and unbalanced, and it makes great cuts because it's so heavy, but it only turns 4,400 rpms which is way too low for building fine furniture or cutting nice finished laminated woods. A right blade saw, you don't get any dust blowing back in your face. This is the major benefit to holding a right blade saw, in your right hand. You can still do all the same stuff, but the sawdust shoots away from you, instead of back in your face. The left blade Worm Drive saws are ideal for framers who enjoy sawdust in their face (many men seem to love being covered in fine dust and chemicals). But a right blade saw, used with a long straight edge, will have a much higher blade RPM (5,500 to 6,000 rpm) and will produce a better cut, with no sawdust getting in your face. A Worm Drive saw has no dust ejection port, and they create a huge cloud of sawdust that goes straight back into your face.
Some rear handles will shoot dust at your stomach, never seen one shoot at your face. Some of them shoot the dust to the right like the makita
Another great video! Will you also be testing smaller saws like Dewalt's DCS571 of even smaller; the Bosch GKS 12V-26?
Please Dyno test Makita GA5091X01 Angle Grinder
M18 FUEL™ 7-1/4" Circular Saw 2732
Made many decks, sided and roofed a few houses, framed a couple of apartment buildings, 6ish years old and still going strong as hell!
I’d love to see you guys get your hands on a 5/8AH 40V pack. Also the Makita GSR01 is an absolute beast. I am trying to get the new BL4040F and the GA053 40V grinder, it’s supposed to be an 1800W grinder and it spins at 10,500 RPM!
I have the ridgid brushless 7&1/4 and it's probably my least favorite ridgid tool. Works fine if you set everything up perfectly but if you're even a little off the blade binds way too easily. Might have to pick up one of these 8ah batteries
The blade binding might not be from the battery. Could be from the anti-kickback being too sensitive. All battery powered saws come with this feature I believe.
I have the Octane and use the 8Ah Octane battery, it's been pretty good for me. When the blade binds it's usually my fault
Excellent job on the data, format and presentation. I wish you reviewed computer parts and other tech 😝
I would love to see some Bosch in here. Thank you nonetheless. Very informative.
Love this video! I wonder if Makita's new high power 4ah battery will greatly improve the XGT torque test numbers when it's finally available?
It does! I saw a video from Japan where a guy put the BL4040F on the very first xgt saw (HS001) and it increased the power by 10-20%.
It does! I saw a video from Japan where a guy put the BL4040F on the very first xgt saw (HS001) and it increased the power by 10-20%.
Good to see I am not missing that much with the 4ah XTR battery.
Surprised you didn't include an actual Skilsaw, which is largely a genericization for 'circular saw' in many areas, that is how synonymous it is with circular saws. Heck, Skilsaw was the first circular saw. That being said, fantastic video as always, and I cannot wait for future circular saw comparisons!
Need blade right
Here is the new Skil right blade cordless. Looks like a really nice saw, but some reports of battery failures. SKIL PWR CORE 20 XP Brushless 20V 7-1/4 In. Circular Saw, Tool Only- CR5440B-00@@TorqueTestChannel
Also, looking to see how the 60v 578 does. I bought it a few years ago and it's been a beast with the 21700 9/3ah packs. No reason to rotate it off the work van during these few years.
I'd love to see direct battery comparisons. There are adapters to interchange batteries cross-brand. It would be interesting to see which brand makes the best battery and what it would do for some of the more powerful tools (custom battery included, of course)
"Direct comparison" assumes a battery adapter has no losses which is a big assumption I think. Will look into that
@@TorqueTestChannelThose battery adapters are garbage.
Can't use most newer batteries and/or tools with adapters because of the missing communication
that would be pointless since they all use basically the same cells, excluding some lipo packs and ofc upcoming packs with tabless 21700's
@@TorqueTestChanneloff the top of my head, there's the 3D printer guy you collaborated with to make " the Beans" Makita battery. Couldn't you adapt all 18v battery to the same custom ridiculously overbuilt connector. So all batteries end up run through an adapter made by the same guy. It's not the exact same adapter granted, but the advantage being you get an idea of how each battery cells and connector style impacts performance? Or if you got the coin, you could cut off the base of multiple broken tools, solder that to your own custom connector and test max wattage? Idk if it's even worth it, but it would be interesting
I think you'll notice a big power difference using either the 5ah or the 8ah XGT batteries.
Would love to see the makita 4131 (or similar) tested my experience with cold cut/metal cut saws make them feel more powerful. Could just be the blades.
The Hilti saw fit and finish is really nice, the included rip fence is super nice. Highly recommend the Nuron gear, its what you expect from Hilti.
I just wish their impact drivers and wrenches had a little more power.
I just wish for the loot you drop they would be that much better. Pay twice as much to get maybe a tenth more. They do have a good warranty though. Hilti the other big red, for big companies with even bigger budgets.
I'm waiting for then to test the drill
Their warranty and customer service is way above average. I have the 4hd hammer drill/driver, they make a 6hd but the 4hd is plenty of beans I've used it to mix a 5gallon of paint and with the excellent clutch also drive .5" brass screws. Been running cordless drill/drivers since the early 80's (black and decker nicad? Makita 9.6v with a Jacob's chuck?) and am recommending the Nuron line.
Bosch Profactor GKS18V-25GCN please 🙏
Do you have a Mafell for part 2? A very nice saw.
I know the blade's the other way around, but damn I'd like to see the new Ridgid rear handle and the Makita XGT 10 3/4" saw
nice! looking forward to seeing how that DCS578 does
That saw is powerful, I am ashamed to say it scares me 😂 but, I want to see some scientific tests show how scary it actually is.
@@JT-lq4yd i have it too; you're not alone - it's a beast. I want to see that scariness quantified, though - I'm going to guess it's about 13 MegaJasons, if i'm doing the SI scariness unit conversion correctly 😂
@@skygreen5939 We will see how close you are, and I hope to see the video soon.
Thanks for the great video. I would love to see how the rear handle saws stack up.....
Hey, it would be really interesting to see how the festool hk55, and the mafell would perform. thank you for your great videos
I really like your channel, it's packed with great information.
I have to say though that very few jobs have a supervisor standing behind you keeping track of exactly how long you take to complete your job or how much force you have to provide to do it.
Thanks for the unbiased comparison.
Oh most definitely, you have a point. We work on the automotive side of things, and really its just about less annoyance, wear and tear on your body. If I can have an impact do something in 2 seconds rather than listening to it for 10, it adds up at the end of the day in my general fatigue working with power tools.
any chance of getting a Bosch circular saw (like a CS10) in the testing?
I like the value of straight cuts that guide tracks capable saws bring to the table. It would be interesting to see how these non-plunge guide track saws do.
I would like to see 5AH and 8AH batteries of Makita XGT on this Saw because "Tools & Stuff" already showed, that these two batteries tend to give these demanding tools just a little bit more grunt. Great Stuff so far!
Dewalt and flex rear handle saws have the most power right now will be interesting to see what happens with makita when they release the high output battery's that will be comeing to XGT line they may even have stacked lithium in around a year from now. Would be cool if Dewalt had Flexvlot stacked lithium battery that thing would smoke everything
I really like makita tools personally they tend to have less vibration and feel smooth have nice smooth baseplate on the saws as well that glide nicely compared to others.
Even as a Kobalt fan I knew this was coming. The XTR definitely has enough power for the average carpenter, but there is no doubt it isn’t the best.
Thanks man. I think I will stick with my Bosch 6.5” and 6 ah battery for a total of $132. Gotta love Lowe’s clearance sales!
I score a lot of lowes clearance!!! $139 for an XTR 5 piece kit (which also includes the saw in this test) $79 for DeWalt DA auto polisher, $77 for EGO misting fan, $29 Kobalt impact wrenches (I ended up buying 4, a couple in 1/2” and couple in 3/8” and keep one in each car for a quick flat tire change, which I’ve had 3 in the past month with different family members). The lowes clearance deals are insane!!
As always I wanna see craftsmen with a 9 ah battery to see if it worth buying and does it make every tool as good as others who do kinda what you do but your best at showing it in my opinion
No Flex 💪 I heard the Flex rear handle with the 10ah is a beast
It is a beast
Testing the backward blade saws first interesting strategy. "Blade left for life!"😂😂
To each their own!
Isn't there any Bosch in this game? Their later tools are very powerful.
I agree about paying so much for a saw. They do have there place but at most construction sites that isn’t it. I’ll buy a $100 corded saw with drop cords all day long before I blow $400 on a cordless. Batteries are expensive , downtime for them to charge , advanced electronics to fail vs a corded saw where the cable may get cut or a broken trigger switch, both of which can be repaired at the jobsite.
I have the Makita HS001 (Japan only 40V) it’s a 6.5” saw and can cut up to 67mm deep. I would send it to you guys if y’all are planning to test 6.5 inchers!
I would love to see some 3/4 air impacts being tested. I have a Cornwell CAT3225A which is a rebranded IR 2146, but I'd also like to see aircat, CP, Earthquake and the like. As always, amazing content
Hay torque test channel there is a new harber freight impact wrench, model EQ12EXT.
Makita knows how to make saws. Their blades are actually pretty good too.
Blade that stands up more under load before going blunt = more cuts per battery. It would be interesting to work out a testable workflow, perhaps beginning with a fresh battery and blade, and work out how many cuts it takes before you're getting half the cuts per charge. Add in a cost of time per cut, and blade cost, and that might be a fun metric.
If you yest the rear handle saws make sure you measure how far the body is away from the center of the saw. The further it is from the blade the more stress is on your wrist if you cut with your left hand. It also makes it easier for when the drop off drops for the saw to swing off the workpiece which isn’t the most safe. Also torque is most important with these tools way over speed. Tool companies will hike up the rpm’s on lower grade tools to make up for less torque. You want torque when your ripping lvl’s or 3 or 4 sheets of ply at a time.
Also the flex is a monster but the batteries die fast fast
Makita get crapped on so much by everybody, but they make amazingly ergonomic and comfortable tools. Its nice to see them stacking up in the power department now for once.
Will you test the Rear handle Makita LXT (36v) and XGT saws in a separate bracket eventually? I know so many guys who swear by the rear handle 36v and have hopped on the XGT rear handle train and are blown away by it.
Makita XGT have also just released a 6 1/2 inch top handle circular saw that is the more powerful equivalent of the legendary LXT saw XSH03 that is said to be amazing.
It would be interesting to rate the saws by blade size as well, because obviously a 10 1/4 blade saw is going to be more powerful than a 7 1/4 or 6 1/2.
they only get crapped on by morons , lets be real here :)
Any list with wood working tools needs Festool. So the Festool HKC 55 with the 8ah highpower battery would look nice on this one, you just have to wait a few months before that battery becomes available.
Oh yeah , i hope the milwaukee will be test with the new forge 😁
I have the Ryobi and I abuse my tools, that thing has so far held up much better than I would have expecting for the low price on DTO.
Wow your channel is growing. It wasn’t that long ago you were at a few k. Congrats.
I think i remember a Project Farm video that demonstrated the Dewalt 60v is the saw to beat.
I got the ridgid with a blade, 4ahbattery and charger for 189 Canadian..really good bang for buck..I'm a milwaukee man but the ridgid's are just so close in power it's hard to justify the extra cost on some tools..I just ordered the ridgid 8ah battery cus of this test..thanks for the data showing it's worth it
For future saw reviews, I would like to see the Skilsaw Mag 77, both corded and cordless, be included.
How would those compare to the Dewalt dcs577 60v worm drive saw?
blowout :D
Between this channel and project farm there really isnt any guessing when it comes to tools.
Hope you guys test the Flex inline & 7 1/4 rear handle model too.
really cool, interesting and informative video as always, thank you for the effort you put on every video. I would really like to see the Hercules saw in this comparison, hope you can do it. regards.
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I'd like to see some Skil saws included in this
That Hilti is damn impressive for just being a 22v saw
how about a quick video comparing the much cheaper refurbs to brand new tool. I have a lot of luck with refurb stuff but I wonder if Im missing out on power.
The front handle on the 40v Makita looks like it would be awkward
Can we get a tool color melting point and crack point test. I wanna know which color tool is the best!
Watched, liked, please do one with handheld blacklights. They great for spotting scorpions at night!
Also please test the Skil duall battery rear handle(comes with two 5AH batteries), a great powerful saw priced for the DIY market!
I know you guys usually focus on measuring the motors for these tools, but I'd like to see you verify that max cut depth.
TTC is really all about "beans", their tests for power and run time. I find it interesting, mostly for their test design. However, these are not full reviews and they don't go through the design features that make for a great tool. There's a lot of other channels that will compare features and conduct a qualitative review. Those are, in my mind, much more useful to a consumer than a "beans" comparison. To use a car analogy, these guys are testing new cars on a dragstrip. Anyone who buys a car solely off its quarter mile time will probably not have a very comfortable car with a number of nice features. That said, Makita makes great saws and I am sure that XGT has very good cut depth, ergonomics, and design features. 14:22
Im glad I saw this… 😅
Can you compare the old octane ridgid against the new stuff from ridgid with new and old gen batteries
Great video as always! I’m really excited for the new tool testing that’s gonna happen soon, both from Milwaukee (the insider ratchet looks really cool) and the Astro tools you helped design!
I have the dewalt 7 1/2in blade 60 v flexvolt and its great. I have cut alot of 2×12 roof rafters, stair stringers and it cuts 4×4s 1 pass. I really like it. However i also dewalt 20v xr and i killed it within 2 monthes.
Seems like I got a sweet deal for my Power Detect kit at $249 a few months ago.
Hilti and Makita xgt are sweet, you should compare also maffel and festool