Dyno Test: This Brand Makes the #1 Cordless Circular Saw
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- Опубліковано 28 гру 2024
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Today we test what our viewers say SHOULD be the most powerful cordless blade right circular saws on the market. Including DeWALT 60V DCS578, Makita XGT, Flex Stacked Lithium and Milwaukee M18 2732 with a FORGE battery.
Some serious contender and yet one stand out remains!
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We'll come up with a way to test rear handle and worm drive, just need to tinker around with motors.
Custom sprockets and thin roller chain are cheap (McMaster, Fastenal etc) and guards easy enough to wire etc out of the way. A platform with the saw clamped to it would be secure and safe.
The M18 is 400 Euro in germany...talk about competitive pricing. 🤣
i wish you had a test for build quality and longevity. not just drag racing. love the videos tho.
hey ttc was wondering if you guys were able to test matcos other electric ratchets? theres very little about matcos long reach ratchet and im curious how itd stack up to the milwaukee having what looks like a smaller head
Would love for you to compare the 60v Dewalt to the 54v Dewalt we get in Australasia.
Considering dewalt is the choice for many carpenters the flexvolt saw being that dominant isn't a suprise to me. However it's price is astounding!
That DeWalt 60v saw was my first DeWalt purchase. It buzzed through cured oak timber, so I was not surprised with the ranking results. Thanks for finishing up the saws, looking forward to a sidewinder vs regular saw comparison! 😀
Dewalt makes a 20v version of the same saw too and it's awesome, I find it lasts longer than the flexvolt version too (using the same battery 9ah flexvolt) cutting repetitive 8' rips of 5/8 plywood
From personal experience, the 60V FlexVolt is a beast of a saw, it does not bog down cutting through wood extremely smoothly and cleaning.
I don't think I have ever had any circular saw bog down, unless your twisting the blade as your cutting
@@jefftucker9225That's weird, I have experienced it many times while cutting thicker materials, especially with battery powered saws.
Two kickbacks with the work drive and they’re kickbacks for sure
@@jefftucker9225yeah definitely happens with 8/4 hard woods...
@@jefftucker9225It will happen, in any thick material especially if you have an cheap, damaged or finer tooth saw blade.
What are you cutting? 3mm chipboard?
Not to be rude to a LOT of the other guys out there making tool videos but you actually understand what is going on at a hardware level and test all aspects in very accurate way. Very easy watchin.
Hey thanks man!
This video makes me glad I ended up going with the 60v Dewalt. It eats through anything I can throw at it. Dewalt has been killing it the past year or so.
@@MrArcticPOWERit's a shame it's been 7 years and they haven't done all that much with it yet. Their saws are amazing but we need more 2x60v tools like the miter saw. A concrete saw and table saw running on 2 60v batteries would shred any other saw. Also a 60v or 120v mower is very much needed. They got so much potential but they just aren't doing enough with it imo
Big Yellow is simply the best
Only on certain tools. I have been shopping for a battery shop vac and a tire inflator. After watching reviews I was extremely disappointed that dewalt performed so poorly. I purchased the 20 volt leaf blower despite poor reviews on power since I just wanted it blow off my deck and driveway, but I couldn't stand the high pitched whine it made so I returned it. If Dewalt upgrades these products I'm waiting with money in hand.
@@andrewk8636 You make a good point, I was thinking about this the other day. I love my 60v circ saw, it has so much nuts that I stopped running my 9amp battery on it and started running a 6 because the 6 is plenty so I figured why not shed some weight.
To get to my point besides my circ, 4”grinder, and full size sawzall (all were bought 5yrs+ ago) there isn’t much more being offered. I got the little 7” miter for little trim jobs and it’s great but if I try to cut plastic like screen track it explodes because it just doesn’t have the RPM,s. It would be nice to take advantage of the 60v since that’s the battery I’m running on the saw any way.
I wonder if they decided to dial back flexvolt tool development when they started working on PowerStack pouch cell technology. I think we all know pouch cell is the future, hopefully there working on “PowerStackFlexVolt” and some more tools to go along with it…hopefully!!
@@andrewk8636 They seem to be emphasizing on 20" chainsaws (new this year) and attachment-capable pole saws (new last year)
I just bought the rear handle dewalt 60v blade left and that thing is a monster and I love it
Those 60v tools are great. The 60v grinder is a beast.
I've asked for them to test that monster for awhile lol
And the 60V Miter is widely regarded as best at cutting & dust collection.
I can say the dcg418 is without question the most powerful grinder on the market but the newest metabo hpt 6” is a good balance of power and run time an also has a slim diameter grip is narrow is surprisingly good
Ih yah it is i got that beast
And now we know why Barnabe and FLEX didn’t include the Dewalt Flexvolt saw in their “FLEX Face-off “😂
Dang, that Flexvolt making the beans with measly 21700 cells! 💪
Hey, it's always cracked in Philadelphia!
Not so measly, strongest 21700's on the market if we don't count those new tabless ones :)
@@riba2233tabless?
I was gonna say, measly vs pouch cells? 21700 kicks 18650 butt.
Don’t need so much current when you’ve got 3x the voltage. While 3p packs should deliver the same power the tool will be less efficient trying to move all that current.
I had a good feeling about the Dewalt 60v scoring well here....first time I used mine, I was like, there is literally no down side versus a corded saw, and that doesn't happen often. Glad to see this backs up the impression!
DCS578 has been a fantastic saw in my experience - very cool to see the data bear that out. Also nicely done "Previously on TTC..." summary at the beginning - concise but sufficiently comprehensive👍
The DeWalt impact driver was one of the best purchases I ever made in my life, coming off a hobby level tool. At the urging of other builders, I switched to Milwaukee and burned the motor out, switched back to DeWalt and have stuck with them since.
This new saw is another game changer for me. I still love my magnesium circular saw for framing, but for spot jobs and keeping saw in the truck, this is the one I always have with me. To be fair, depending on the job, brands other than DeWalt will be more useful, but for impact and a circular saw, I'm happy with DeWalt.
My brother bought the 60v dewalt saw after hating his corded saw, and we used it when building all sorts of stuff, framing, and cutting cement board. It is the best saw I've laid my hands on so far, and the battery just seemed to last and last, we were really shocked how rarely we had to put it on the charger. We did my bathroom on a single charge.
I love these videos 💪🏼 The No 1 builders Circular Saw brand in Germany is Mafell. I can only speak for corded saws, since the battery powered ones are just german Metabo ones in a red box with the great adjustment systems mafell offer. At least they use the bigger motor, Metabo offers a smaller saw, which isn’t the strongest imo.
Mafell use in corded saws their own „Cuprex“ motors, which are very respected and in my own hands on experience pretty sick. We had a direct comparison when cutting 30mm OSB with a Festool and a Mafell (both around 55mm cut depth). The Mafell was about 1,5 to 2 times faster in the job.
It would be interesting to see, how they compare to corded saws from all around the world 😊 unfortunately there is no one with your competency in Germany 😂
I bought the first gen 60v saw when they came out years ago. Runs great to this day. Cut treated stingers with it today. No bogging.
If there's one tool in the Dewalt lineup that makes my red tools jealous, it's that flex volt saw. Salesman brought one on site when they came out 5+ years ago and it ripped through a 12" LVL faster than a corded saw.
Corded saw may have been using a standard thickness blade? all the cordless saws i've seen use a much thinner blade which is night & day difference for ease of cutting.
@@HashDogg06I own the flexvolt and it will Rip faster than a corded saw even with the same blade in both saws
@@HashDogg06the tool is using 2000 watts at the battery an amount that would trip a 120v breaker
I've got the Dewalt, and I agree, it's a beast. I've used the Milwaukee at work before, and it's not the same.
Excellent as always! The data is always right.
This video quantifies what I first experienced with that Dewalt Flexvolt saw, the torque that it put out when pulling the trigger scared me a little the first time I used it. I was not expecting that much from a battery powered saw as I had used corded sidewinder saws before.😅
I got this when it was on sale at HD, it came with a "free" sawzall and 2 9 ah batteries for $450. The batteries were sold separately for $220 ea. at that time.
I've had my DCS578 for a little over 3 years now and it has never bogged down or let me down, it's a fantastic bit of kit as long as you have the spare batteries on standby! because you will get plenty of work done at an insane rate.
You just need to be like an F1 pit crew to keep up with battery changes 😅.
Finally. I have been waiting on the conclusion of this saw series. TTC you guys rock.
Sorry for the wait! New tools = busy on the test bench
Please don't mistake this for a complaint. Just excitement that has been published
now just the flexvolt grinder left :-)
Makita have just released, here in Australia at least, a 4AH high output XGT battery so would be interested to see how that performs.
What wasn't shown is real world use and vibration. Makita has such low vibration you have no hand fatigue and they are so precise cutting.
correct@@beerbeforebreakfast
Makes it double the speed
Alright found the Makita guys! Woohoo!
@@Bartacolips I am employed by them so yeah, I like them. Like it enough to spend my own money on it too
One thing about the Makita saws. They’ll be around for the long run
I feel like my Makita LXT gets beat to hell... but its such a nice solid CS for casual home use. Got the kit for $180 w/ 4 batteries, bag + charger
Best channel on youtube period !
What is your second favorite
Arguably, I think ToolboxBuzz has the most complete reviews. But this is a great channel.
@@steffendetrick I agree, TooboxBuzz all the way
In my experience with using the 60v dewalt saw, dont get the 6 ah batter and expect to cut much. I use the rear handle version more often, but the 6 just dies fast, the 9 will get me through the day framing.
Finally! The 60v saw gets a chance to shine. I think it might be Dewalt’s best tool. Mine has never bogged down unless my blade is crazy dull.
I was lucky! I just picked up a brand new Dewalt 60v saw tool only for 150CAD (about 110USD) yesterday, it’s dirt cheap for such good tool
Cant wait for you guys to try out rear handle saws, and it would be nice to see how strong are the 2 makita xgt 10 1/4" saws, one of them is right blade, so you could test it with your current setup !
I bought the v2 Flexvolt kit when it became available in 2020. It's a beast. I've been phasing out the Dewalt tools off the work van, but I don't see me getting rid of that sidewinder anytime soon.
would tracksaw comparisons be a thing in the future?
I have the 60v DeWalt and could not believe how effortlessly it chewed through some 3/4" pressure treated plywood. It is scary powerful.
the 4-1/2 atomic would cut 3/4" just as well lol, PT or not. The 60v is when u stack 3 pieces of 3/4" together!
That Flexvolt is darn impressive.
I bought the DeWalt 60 volt kit at Home Depot for $299. It came with that huge 9 amp battery. I got the DCD999 drill kit with a 6 amp 60 volt battery for $270. This saw is a monster and the adjustments and ergonomics are good as well.
After waiting for black friday sales, I got the flex with 10ah stacked and charger for 299 plus tax from acme tools. I have always been into dewalt and kobalt's lines, but with how good some of flex's tools have been, I thought with how close and dewalt are my money was better spent getting started into flex's line.
The Dewillt 60v is my fav. I’ve got a few of the brands listed.
2nd is the Milfu*ky
Great stuff
I still love my DSC571, it does just what I need for the projects I tend to do.
I'm also curious for cheap tools.
We bought an Amazon (Teccpo) Leafblower in fall of 2018 for around 65€ as a kit (28v battery and charger) . As a shop that sees about 15-25 customers with cars a day we use it to keep the parking lot and sidewalk clean so it is fair to say that it made about a 1000 cycles on that battery.
Yes especially on colder days you can tell that the battery has a higher resistance when new and also the pack now gets hotter. Still a great purchase for our low tier use and definetly enough for home use when you don't want to break the bank.
The Dewalt Flexvolt 60v circular saws are tops in power, and I really like Dewalt circ saws in general (have a few), but to your point at the end of the video: IMO Metabo HPT saws are consistently the best value. I know the sidewinder didn't score well on the dyno test, but both MHPT 36v saws do lots of work and are lighter than the competitors' saws. Every brand has goid stuff, but MHPT is great when you consider performance and price, not to mention fine ergonomics.
All that said, $340 for the Flexvolt is pretty reasonable if you need max power.
I know Ryobi will not be a top tool, but I would still like to see it in your comparison.
I was tired of needing to buy new black n decker tool sets every time they changed battery formats. I guess they didnt like their batteries being interchangeable between the 2 brands. Dewalt was doing that also. I have ryobi tolls from late 90's that can use the newest 19v battery they make.
Dewalt has been very good with backwards compatability. My old 18 volt lineup runs on the newer batteries through use of adapters, which are made by DeWalt not some off brand eBay seller.
I'd love to see if you could test portable band saws. And I'm not saying that cause I just bought one from Flex
Idk how you'd test them, and idk how many there are to test, but I would definitely enjoy seeing you test them. Such a handy tool!
@@93Martin could probably just run a gauntlet of cutting with them?
Nah, I feel like that's definitely up Project Farm's alley though.@@SomeGuysGarage
@@93Martin yup, that is more his style testing...
Milwaukee will be releasing their new 7 1/4 fuel saw(2834-20 and new 12ah forge), would love to see how it does stacks up in this lineup.
The flex saw is crazy fast but in 2 weeks i have got 2 and they both stop working, also you can't rip a lot of wood without the saw protecting herself due to high temperature but danm i was liking this saw .
Typical for them, let the tool run too hot and then cut it off
@@riba2233yes ! Also before she cutting out due to the temperature , she is not that fast either i don't know its seem like not constant , well build and fast tho
The load put on these saws for runtime testing is similar to cutting through 3/4" plywood (at a leisurely pace) until the battery is empty. It's not very taxing, and yet the Flex still would cutout from heat before any battery was 100% drained. Which matches a lot of our Flex testing experience
@@MrArcticPOWERhave they even been making that saw 5 years?
@@lachiepentecost1875nope
As a carpenter, I love your channel. Out west we use blade left saws. I bought the metabo hpt based on how light it is alone
Now we need a test of all these saws at their theoretical perfect battery best. What would a Milwaukee with a forge battery look like? What would a Makita with a 4040F, 5ah or 8ah battery look like? The DeWalt Flexvolt with its best battery? For those invested in each line and not buying kits, which is the best saw/battery combo within each battery platform?
My older brushed Makita LXT does almost everything I need and doesn't eat batteries. The Mag Makita does the rest. Thanks for the video, torque fellers
This still doesn't make DeWalt's battery lineup any easier to understand - but, hey, impressive as hell!
Do you not attend their night courses? I'm still working towards my accredited DD but someday I hope to understand their line
@TorqueTestChannel 😂😂, yea, it's not spastic or hit and miss, we just need more training 😂😂😂
Either someone's trolling or dumb lol. Dewilt has 2 options that count. 20v 5ah standard cell for 20v and 60v 9ah for high power demands. Idk, why they even make any other batteries.
I didn't know it was complicated😂
Circular saws are interesting and entertaining, but I am anxiously awaiting some more flashlight testing!
Couple weeks out, have a new integrating sphere to test out and double check our readings
I grabbed the Milwaukee on a half price sale but with only a 6AH. So far so good
The 60V dewalt saw is why I bought into the dewalt system. Absolute monster. I sometimes use it to cut countertops with a Kreg track and a granite blade when I have to do field fabrication and it doesn’t really care.
Which model do you have? Trying to decide myself…
I knew it! I told you that flexvolt was a beast! Let’s go!
I have the 60v dewalt. Everyone at work thinks it’s silly until they use it then it sells them. Can I also add that it seems to run at a lower frequency (and maybe volume) and seems quieter.
Do people at your work still use corded saws?
@@andrewk8636 no, mainly they go for lighter 6-1/4 options or even the m12 options for weight. Those are super high pitched and bog down IMO.
@@drm437 yeah those are pretty much useless imo but to each their own
Wish theyd make more little saws like the japanese makita 40v. So much power in a little package, between that and a big corded bastard for LVL what more do you really need
You should try Makita‘s new battery for the XGT line
We still want to see makitas 40v xgt tested with there bigger batteries 5ah and 8ah. equivalent to a 18v 10ah and 16ah .Makita also has a new high performance 4ah battery that has not been released in the states yet
I think they don't do that because they claim that with the cells available they make the technical power available equivalent of an 8ah battery on an 18v, but I think that's a false equivalency because the Amp hour, the windings, the wire thicknesses, and everything a ll have a factor in available power. I would love to see the Dyno tests based purely on Amp hour and see if any of the 18v saws would perform as well as they had on a 4ah battery as they had on an 8 or 9ah.
Milwakee is expensive but I much prefer most milwakee tools for the ergonomics.
One thing you won't find in this saw review is where is the sawdust going? The milwakee has an exaust port for sawdust on the right side of the guard that works great. Couple that with a rafter hanger, it's definitely more convenient.
I love the angle grinder too for the quick adjust guard.
The rotary hammer drill isn't to special although I do like the shock absorbed handle.
But by far my favorite battery tool is the 30 degree framing nailer, that thing sinks 3" nails no problem and no hoses.
TTC!! TTC!! TTC!!
I have the original flexvolt circ saw that came with 6ah flex and it's still going strong. It does anything I ask it to. I also have the track saw and I like it even more tbh.
It just cuts smooth and better handle than Milwaukee. They put a club for a handle on the Milwaukee for some reason. Overall I'm happy on the Milwaukee platform but Dewalt makes some nice stuff.
The combo of the Flex rear handle and 6.5 inline saws are where it's at in my opinion.
They just would spin the dyno the wrong way is all
Flex would kill the market if they came out with a 7 1/4 and bigger inline saws. Some great advantages with the inline design in my opinion
@@MrArcticPOWERyouve never seen anyone use a rear handle saw?
@@MrArcticPOWERme personally i find blade left easier. Here in california they are all over construction sites. The skillsaw mag77 built america haha.
@@MrArcticPOWER where do you live Alaska??? Lmao rear handle saws are in every job site I've been on for the last 20 years or so starting with the skilsaw
Makita saws are still the most flawless with consistent performance from full battery down to 1 bar left. Noone using an XGT saw IRL will say it didnt have enough performance or that it failed them, unlike some flexvolt batteries that has not impressed IRL.
Have 2-36v older version Makitas and they are as good as the cordless for power and ergonomics. I'll keep with Makita after 40+ years of framing with that brand of tools. As good as it gets.
@@helpallofem4428
I run a 36v & a couple 6-1/2" 's on 5ah batteries and have never felt undergunned.
Still have the latest mag77 120v "just in case", and I love that I can sideload her and she'll just chew through anything, but I very rarely grab her.
What a shame we will not see the 36v Makita compare to the 60v DeWalt on TTC.
The graphs from 8:30 onwards literally say the opposite.
You need to add the Metabo HPT Rear Handle into the test. All the guys on my jobsite love it, light and powerful
Could you do some of the rear handle “worm drive” type saws I really like having the blade on that side and it would’ve interesting to see how they perform compared to other saws
Data is so beautiful. So is your channel.
All of my tools are Milwaukee save for a Dewalt drill and that saw, for obvious reasons.
You need to get some automation going on those electronic loads so you can make power vs RPM graphs.
Any chance you could compare the Metabo HPT line of circular saw and how it stacks up to the DeWalt, Milwaukee and Makitas?
I think it's amazing that we've now for cordless tools that you couldn't power even with a 20A outlet. We're now to the point where you'd need a 240V outlet which was generally only used for fixed commercial tools, not portable.
or for the portable ones in the most of the world :)
I work construction and bought that Flexvolt saw four years ago and didn't realize how much better it was until I had to use a buddy's Milwaukee. Most of the time I find tools are pretty comparable between brands but not this, that flexible saw is on a whole other level compared to all these other saws even this video doesn't do it justice. I'd like to see this video with a flexvolt sawzall too I have
But impressive performance from some of these. And thanks for the accurate and great testing you do !
I have the Hilti circ saw and it has been stellar with boring reliability. Plenty of power for any task and more than enough run time. With a good blade, the hilti does everything I ask of it, and does it quickly.
Great stuff. more beans. I am totally waiting for the reciprocating saw testing (not my pocketbook, however). My corded Supper Sawzall will not die, but i hear that the battery ones are superior now, and of coerce more convenient in the field.
I have the 54v flexvolt but it's also grooved for tracks - not a plunge saw but can be run on tracks. Never tried it on tracks because I have a Mafell plunge saw. Both awesome kit.
Try the ryobi brushless 7.25 HP with the 9amp hour HP battery
Would love to see some budget saws tested. Ryobi in particular but also bauer, skil, hart, maby craftsman. I have several Ryobi lawn care tools so in turn I have several Ryobi batteries. But if their saws are junk I would definitely consider a different platform for woodworking tools
Can we test cordless worm drives next? I'm loving my DCS577.
1:15 we'll need to come up with a solution for that, but i agree
It isnt acually "worm drive", just the weight and design as far as i know. but i have it, and i forgot about corded saw after buying it. so much power, and modern protection from kickback or just being stuck in wood. yes its heavy, but that helps to use it in one hand sometimes.
You need to get that new XGT 4Ah battery, it should improve numbers
I may be in the minority, but I personally value run time over the maximum possible power on this type of tool. Impact wrenches? Hammer Drills? Yeah give me the max beans. Circular saw? I need it to run as long as possible. They will all cut just fine. More difference in the blade type then saw at the elite level. So for me, Team Red looks good here. Though I admit Makita makes up all my circulars.
I have the flex inline saw which is perfect for building my decks. Needs a nice sharp blade or it likes to bog though. and the flex rear handle which you could probably throw a blade made of butter on it and it would still cut.
Can you guys test the new hyper tough 12v stuby with the 4ah battery,it seems to 90% m12 at 1/3 the price.
Would love to see you test track saw also!
I'd be interested to know if Milwaukee's 2830-20 has a different motor and if so, how does it stack up?
Bought-It, Love-It, Thanks! I cut down trees with it for firewood for my Tiny Home/RV. I cut only dead & dry wood, and most of it is hardwoods. I cut and section the wood to fit in my stainless steel wood burning stove. My 52cc chainsaw can't come close to the speed you get from this circular saw. Moreover, my Ryobi HP circular saw was much faster than the chainsaw, and the DeWalt is more than twice as fast as the Ryobi.💪
you should test the dcf896b!!
I know this is an old post but it would be nice to see the read handle skil 20v tested. I have it and it's a real powerful saw
Milwaukee is a hell of a brand. They have a history of producing really great pro-sumer products. But I love what DeWalt has been doing lately. Competition is great cause it pushes each to be better and keeps those costs lower for us average joes.
I have the 60v DeWalt, but I was really hoping to see a test of the Bosch Strongarm.
I went with Flex simply for the lifetime warranty. It also just came with a kit I bought, so it was a nice bonus tool. That DeWALT though 👀
Do rear handles next !!
Just a heads up, at 7:10 you can see in the top of the column for weight it shows that it’s the weight * -20, but all your math is showing that that it is weight * -10. Thank you for the great video again!
Yup, looks like an old version of the column titles. Thanks!
I bought the 60v flexvolt because of this video, love the saw
so glad i ended up spending a little more for to 60v dewalt a year or so ago when i was in the market for one, its really a beast
I have a DeWalt 60v Flexvolt worm drive saw, it is an absolute beast! Hope you can test the worm drive saws in the future.
All the flexvolt saws are direct drive. The 577 just looks like worm drive saw.
It's worm drive style if I remember correctly how is marketed.
I just saw Ryobi is releasing a 12AH lithium 18v pack. TTI is about to start a competition for who can truly have the biggest pack size. Time to hit the gym.
Would you expect the worm style saw to perform the same? I'd love to see you test that one, though I know motor spins the opposite way of your dyne.
I have the 60v dewalt saw and am very happy with it. If you have dewalt tools it really is a no brainer.
Do you have a video on the metabo 36v?
I expected the other top brands to compete with the xgt round 1 winner, but I didn’t expect them to walk away with the results
How does the festool 2 battery compete? I know it's not the same type of saw but the 2 battery thing makes me wonder.
Get the 60v saw and then add the 60v grinder if you do any metal work. It keeps up with corded grinders in my experience.
Proof that flexvolt and 60v tools are awesome. Flexvolt grinders are also the baddest grinders on the market. Voltage matters with high draw