Is It Time to Come HOME? - The Future of World of Warcraft
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
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We were at Blizzcon when the insane announcement occured - revealing the new direction of WoW, its THREE new expansions and an ongoing story, The Worldsoul Saga. Is this a sign its time to come home?
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my man stop cutting ion during his talk with every question lol
Frankly they really need to put a lore compendium in game. I’ve been playing for two years, paying attention to story and lore the whole time, and I still regularly find myself having no clue what’s going on a lot of the time
I was so happy when Chronicle came out, thinking that it was exactly this.
When they said it was written by an 'unreliable narrator,' I gave up on the WoW lore completely.
Your not the only one, they are really bad at crafting stories. They can’t write a good villain to save there life.
This!! I’m a new player and I’m sooooo damn lost all the time haha
They update the story with like 1-2 minutes of cutscene every3 months or so. If that's too much to ask of you, but a 17 minute youtube video on the same game is fair game, you might want to reconsider if you're trying to stay caught up at all.
preferably there is being an optional 20 minute ish cutscene you can watch guiding you through the lore of each storyline.
WoW did not invent quest-based leveling.
There were many, many popular MUDs with huge quest systems. XP from quests, even mainly from quests, predates WoW by decades.
Everquest took certain things from certain MUDs. WoW just took different things from different MUDs. They just have slightly different lineages (though a lot of shared lineage too).
I think if you are really interested in the history of MMOs, you need to look at the history of MUDs, maybe talk to some people about them, even play a few of the surviving ones (though most have died and a lot of the remaining ones are hard to get into), etc.
It's weird that it's now somehow normal that expansions have 4 new zones to begin with when in the past they'd all launch with 7+. Outland had 7 + 4 for the new races, WOTLK had 8-10 depending on how you count Wintergrasp/Crystalsong/Dalaran, Cata had the entire world revamp + 7 + 3 starting zones, MoP had 7, WoD had 6+ Ashran, etc.
And it's not like the new zones are particularly denser in detail either, WoD and MoP zones had way more treasures and secret stuff than newer ones.
well the difference is not that large. you have to consider that it is 4 zones on release. SL and DF got 2 zones added in the .1 and .2 patches. SL had 5 zones to start with so with the 2 additions (do we count 2nd half of maw?) it is also 7 in total. DF currently has 7 as well (4 standard, caverns, dream and Forbidden reach)
@@yasminmeier8437 ??? Yeah, no shit, if you add all the zones that weren't on release then it'll be more than what it was on release..? I didn't count any of the zones that got added to any of the expansions I mentioned post-release. (And WOTLK still had more on release than the last 2 expacs at their final stage lmao, and twice as many as at their release) And older expansions also utilised existing leveling zones by adding massive new content hubs to them later on which also doesn't really happen anymore, like Krasarang or Icecrown etc.
@@invictus7736 you're also forgetting that the Dragon Isles are bigger than Northrend, so while the number is smaller, you actually got more content in DF than Northrend, just from a zone perspective
I think they settled on that number due to changes in how the team operated and how easy or difficult it was to manage the content quality and pacing. Remember that the old expansions did not have Mythic + for example, that was added in Legion which was also when the zone formula changed. Team members had to be diverted from some areas to others so we essentially exchanged zones for other types of content
@@tobiasb1632 Having a larger, less dense landmass doesn't equal more content. Like a third of the Dragon Isles' size is made up of the empty mass of water west of the ohn'ahran plains and the forbidden reach neither of which served any gameplay purpose on release.
I mean sure, if they were making just as much content then the quantity of zones wouldn't matter, but none of the DF zones have significantly more than old zones, whether we're talking about quests or treasures or whatnot. In fact, looking at the loremaster chievs and storylines even the smaller Northrend zones like Storm Peaks had more quests than the DF zones which have bigger landmasses.. and there were 8 of the Northrend ones. Icecrown had like double the quests of the Waking Shore. And this comparison shouldn't even matter because WOTLK was 15 years ago... (DF should blow it out of the park, but evidently it doesn't.)
Pandaria had similar amounts of quests to Northrend zones but it also had a ton of cool treasures, rares, secrets etc. to find. NOT TO MENTION this was when they made separate questlines for the factions, whereas DF had the exact same for both, so DF was miles behind old expansions in terms of zones' content, and let's not even mention Shadowlands..
I really enjoyed how this video turned out. It felt particularly well organized and edited, which is funny given the turnaround time on it 😅. Well done!
I played WoW from release to the first patch of Shadowlands, off and on. I have to say, I have no idea what would make me want to play WoW again. And it has nothing to do with whether or not I trust Blizzard to deliver on their "promises". As a fan of the lore, I was really bothered by how much of the story turned out. The Jailer and the idea of the unreliable narrator really bothers me. And when I think about playing again, I think about having to deal with addons and toxic groups and ptr testing/not playing blind (the expectation is there in normal content, I'm sorry, it is), and I really just don't want to bother.
So I don't think WoW is home for me anymore, and that's totally fine. I hope you and my friends who still play enjoy the changes and have fun.
All that said, really looking forward to the RWF!
whats rwf
feels like they released barely any specific details at all about retail aside from QoL. on the right track but they need to put some meat on the plate.
Modern game still has loads of issues:
-Botting
-P2W aspect (WoW token)
-Predatory business model (too many services and cosmetics paid with real life money for a box+sub game)
-Four difficulties that generate too many items distinguishable only by ilvl and a color tint (basically lack of omg effect for each slot)
-Complete resets after each patch (not caring for player time)
-Balancing issues that take months to resolve
-Meta game play thanks to all the spreadsheets and tight timers on endgame content
-Designing game for professional gamers (1%) rather than for majority of player base
-Bad company culture (losing good employees)
-No real innovations
-Too much RNG
..... etc etc
It's funny to see that Classic showed them the way when they were against the idea for so long until they realized how much money they were losing thanks to the private servers.
Is it time to come home? I'm grateful for the memories from wow over the years, grateful to have found PG because of wow. Nothing from blizz in the last 4 years indicates a change of behavior or desire to respect player time. Dragonflight is a far cry from good, it beat shadowlands and BFA but still fell well behind MoP. So is it time to come home? No.
Delves, warbands, and having cross-realm/server guilds being able to day 1 raid gives me alot of hope. Honestly the only thing that would be a nice cherry on top for me would be to bring back GMs to the games so that players are able to fight against the toxic gamers. Mythic plus and PvP toxicity killed any joy i had for the game a long time ago.
I agree, & I know “playing for the story” is a meme for a lot of modern gamers especially MMO players, but a good story would do wonders for WoW. Catching people up appropriately on the story through side quests & fleshing out the lord would help with immersion for new & returning players.
A Beacon for the old players to come back. And boy what a beacon a more expensive semi-mandatory 90$ edition is, just to get the old addon release feeling. I'm right on board for that....
Thanks for the critic about the renown quests that blocks the story quests, because that literally killed it for me, when i was playing in Shadowlands just for the Story.
I have three words _"Temper your expecations"_
I'm not really impressed by stuff like 'Hero Talents' but I'm glad that Ion and his team have made it to the finish line after 6-8 years of slogging through.
It would indeed be nice to come home, but I'm not holding my breath either.
They delivered with DF, why would the next expansion suddenly be bad?
Seeing all of this lovely stuff from dragonflight and the future of the game, compared to the awful experience of endwalker in FFXIV has me really excited to go back to wow
The game still has a grind element at its core, it's just masked cleverly through gear acquisition and an activity cap system (and the profession system still doesn't try to hide it at all :) ) This serves to try and dissuade players from 24/7 game engagement, but also allows for less of a sense that the player has ever completed everything they might want to.
The trick to really solve is engaging players so that tasks they're doing never feel like a chore, that they're not doing task X just to 'get to the content they really want to do'. Game wide level scaling ala GW2, or perhaps doing away with the concept of levels entirely would go a long way towards solving this, but that uproots a whole lot of core RPG think
Everytime I come "home" I just leave more angry and disapointed with a disgusting taste in my mouth. I've played this game for 16years with over 600days playtime and have raided with the best, multiple cutting edges, high rarting in pvp, m+ title, no lifed the shit out of the game 14-20hours daily at times but I dont think anything can make me come back now, they would have to reinvent the wheel, do what they did in the beginning and make something new and better than everyone else.
Apropos story telling: why don't they do something like the AI voice over add on for classic? It should really be baseline. I would love to grab a character from level one, put in a checkmark that say "super slow leveling, but continuous story". And then just enjoy the story of the zones with that one character. This would get me seriously interested in doing lore master, maybe even role-playing. Because let's be honest, I did every zone in wow in probably every version of it a dozen times but I have zero clue why I am supposed to collect the things I am collecting, kill the baddies I am killing or do the things I am doing.
I would love to know what's going on and not be forced to read it all, because I also want to play the gameplay. Reading through the quests feels a bit disruptive to the flow of the gameplay. If someone were to read it to me, be it an AI or whoever, I could still just insta-accept the quest but not miss out about the story arc that's going on in the quests
Now with newer expansions it is less of an issue, but there is still a lot hidden in quest texts for non-main story quests.
Well you gotta ask the question, What does Steve Theloser thinks about how he had destroyed Wow lore?
Hmm. Pretty much no weeb shit on the channel for 4 months.
Maybe it actually is time to come home. Let’s hope i don’t get burned again.
I`m gonna trust blizzard not in their words but what they actually deliver
You said it, we can't let sentimentality get the better of us. I loved blizz and wow, but they burned all my bridges
Amen. This goes for any company though in all fairness.
If they want to help the long term absent players to get back into the story they really need to give some massive lore catch-up for anyone. More than just a few texts and Lorewalker Cho.
Nobbel talked about it on his stream, looking forward to his resumee on that idea.
During the last Q&A they also talked about something called *Azerothian Archives* . I hope it is what I think it is.
I can only hope for a 10.2.5, where the focus is some fun, interactive, timewalking function, so we’re all caught up on the story.
This, literally. I'm a TA at a fairly respectable uni in a European capital. From time to time I have to face the generation gap bw. myself and ppl born in the early 2000s. In the elevator I just overheard two students nerding about the sword, and one guy was trying to briefly explain why it is important. Blizz needs to give that elevator guy the catch up, bcs he will happily jump into that timesink, while a guy freshly married, new job, and a thesis defense on the horizont is less likely to resub.😅
last time they tried to consolidate lore and sell it to use as definitive, they pulled the rug from under us and slapped us with "tiatn's point of view, eat poop losers"
This would defiantly help sure but the majority of wow players are not lore buffs, dont even read the quests and just play for gameplay.
they said there's still three more patches for DF after 10.2@@ToreOnUA-cam
Can't wait to watch all the videos about how Shit it is a few months after launch.
You guys do this every time. You guys think every single expansion will "save" wow and it never does, and then you're right back to paying blizzard for more disappointment
how? how do you see this as "good direction" i dont get it, all that was said is we will do good we promise and the only true new feature is delves (wich will prob get boring after 2 weeks).. They could do so many awesome things.. but nope.. as allways we will do things safely. Warbands could be Wither Army traning 2.0 where u command your alts on missions and get special gear and upgrades for them. They could add true world events, like many games have (like for example gw2, where something happens in the world and after that there are no mobs but friendly npcs and traders in this area)
Im just sick of this community that cheers at slightest sign of hope just to be disappointed and cheer on another thing..
Nothing I've heard of Blizzcon or the current state of WoW seems like anything other than typical Blizzard hype that is likely to fall flat on its face. They know the game is going downhill, and are trying to do everything possible to generate interest in it.
The devs seem to barely know their own lore, which really doesn't bode well for making a compelling story. Having so much lore in out-of-game sources is another major issue the whole IP has, and severely hampers what they have done and can do in game.
The dev team expanding could be good, but could also produce no real changes or even be worse. The saying of "too many cooks in the kitchen" often applies to game development as well.
Dragonflight was a step forward for the game, but a relatively small one. Lots of hype at the launch, and everyone was giving it good reviews. Since then, the only things I've really heard about it is that it's an "okay" expansion. Not "great," often not even "good," simply "okay." And that really doesn't mean all that much when it's coming off the backs of BFA and Shadowlands, both of which were massive letdowns. Taking a step forward is good, sure... but is vastly diminished when that single step is coming after numerous giant leaps backwards.
Unfortunately, like just about anything Blizzard releases, the upcoming expansions will likely see a massive positive reception on launch, regardless of how good or bad they are. This will, in turn, continue to fuel Blizzard doing whatever Blizzard wants to do to milk money from players, because they know that millions of people will slurp down even the worst crap they have to offer, and beg for more.
Props to Ion for not taking anything you've told him personally over the years and actually moving forward with the game by making these improvements
One of the most mature things a person can do is admit when they’re wrong. Ion (and the WoW team as a whole) have had a lot of issues in the past with this but they seem to have finally started to do so. War Within is going pretty well so far and folks still seem quite happy with things minus some scaling issues.
I feel sad for all the hype train passengers. But at the same time, you deserve to be disappointed in the end. If you fell for their "We're sorry, we will do better next time" BS after WoD and BFA and Shadowlands and you're now falling for it after Dragonflight, you're a fool. Enjoy huffing on the copium bag and forking out $100+ for 3 days early access.
It's time to come home? No thanks. Wow is like a prostitute. The older it gets the more makeup it cakes on to cover the scars.
The warband system addresses the fundamental gameplay aspect that kept me away from most of Dragonflight. But I have serious concerns about Blizzard's ability to tell a coherent story, and about WoW content creators/dataminers not spoiling every plot point for short term engagement.
The story this xpac has been pretty good. It’s not super edgy or anything but it’s a good one
You don't have to read data miner websites or social media posts. Spoilers in WoW don't matter as much as in FF14 anyway.
@@erichall090909 are we witnessing the same story? it's horribly paced, half the lore is told retroactively, frost dragon lady literally turned on a dime, this expansion has lost any sort of focus, first we're told about these scuffed evil dragon aspects, then we're adventuring through deathwing lair to learn about dracthyr, then we're befriending infinite dragons for....reasons? now we're in the emerald dream...like wtf what is the through line? what is connecting any of this?
WoW story will always be datamined, just don't visit the datamining websites.
@@DaWoWzerall of the reasons are clearly laid out in game and everything is tied together... I can't for the life of me understand how you came to the conclusions you did...
Same video Preach made before DF and then he played it for a like a month and stopped
Paid early access. In an mmo.. Where the launch of a new expansion is supposed to be the exciting part where everyone goes on an adventure. This should tell you all you need to know about in what kind of hands the game is in.
I don't know why but seeing Ion and Preach in the same room is so funny to me, would love to see Preach doing regular interviews with the wow devs
Like a true abusive ex. Pay us $90 for the preorder and COME HOME!!!!
Yeah for the biggest edition. $50 for an expansion is usual
"Come back home!"
"Did you fix the gas leak that made me sick six years ago?"
"I promise we will a year from now."
"You keep saying that!"
"But it's true this time I swear!"
How can I trust the crew will turn the ship around, when it's the exact crew that got us here in the first place?
Will the writers suddenly become good?
Beyond that, as a Night Elf main, no writing possibly could undo the years of shitting on this race and their lore.
Yeah i find it hilarious how people kepe buying into the hype that the game will be good again when the same people that made it awful are still in charge
They think Metzen coming back will change the game entirely when they forget he was responsible for a lot of the mess we're in today.@@PedroIgori
Game is pretty good right now
Curious to hear what these years of shitting is
because people change and the game seems to be going in the right direction.
Great video as always.
I can say, though, that WoW will never be my home again. It was my home for a long, long time, but the game just doesn't have that appeal to me anymore. I still like to check things out and and play from time and time with a month subbed here and there, but I've simply moved on from the WoW being my main game.
I have fantastic memories of all the years I've spent in Azeroth, admittedly soured by some pretty bad memories toward the end. I hope the game gets into a much better place and that people can think of it as their home again - but I'll be watching from the sidelines.
I'm very much like the crowd was at the very beginning. Very hesitant to cheer.. I want things to get better but it's on them to show us that things are changing for the better. I'm not about to throw my money at them to preorder this new expansion just because they got Chris Metzen on the stage to try to get everyone hyped.
To be fair Dragonflight has been pretty good. Its certainly better than BFA and SL. I’d say its as good as Legion. Trying my best not to get too excited though.
How can you say that things are "changing for the better" when these announcements were then followed by the extremely predatory monetization of the launch event - the biggest celebration of Warcraft and its community - by excluding anyone unwilling to pay up from it? Things aren't getting better. They're continuing to get worse. As someone who has returning for ever launch, even if just to participate in it as a cultural event, I have never felt more alienated. They're telling me that I'm too poor for them to care. It's disgraceful.
@@SamoIsKingthey also during that time stole money from players in overwatch 2.
@@SamoIsKing it is far better than legion. there's no AP grind, no artifact weapons and no hilarious legendary system
@@henrikhumle7255 While it's not good, I think you're overblowing it with this "extremely predatory" claim - these 3 days won't matter to 99.9% of the player base after the first two weeks to a month when everybody would have their main and maybe an alt or two to max level. It won't matter than much for professions either because it's always extremely few no-lifers that get the lion's share of gold-making in early expansions anyway. If anyone thinks EA is why they won't make millions of gold, get real
Big pass. This is a company that deserves what its getting. They have abused their fans for waaaaay too long. Far longer than most other gaming companies would have gotten away with. They refused to learn xpac after xpac after xpac.
I personally dont care about all the harassment and milk stealing. I do however care that their vision of "Improving the game" is making women into fruit, changing spell names because they offend the fraction of the mentally ill population who wont even play their game. They are the kings of time wasting and postponing fixes till the end of the xpac.
Activision, Microsoft, does not matter. Some of the changes they are implementing (Account wide reps, Account wide Bank etc etc) should have been in the game YEARS ago. And even now, the excuse is "Technology has caught up" like please... that's the same bs they do when ever an expac fails and they need to sell the new one, and they say "We have learned a lot from the previous xpac" and then they go and do the same thing again over and over.
WoW is a comfort game to me. I started playing when I was 9 years old. I had to beg my parents to buy it for me, and pay my sub. I’m now 26 and still find myself returning to it every few months. The music, the world, the characters. It’s so nostalgia ridden for me. I just want to see them take this game in a fresh, exciting direction. This game was so many people’s introduction to online gaming and it’s been long overdue for some of these changes. Here’s hoping that they can deliver us an experience that brings back awe and excitement, and not just an experience catered to getting our wallets out.
As long as they basically wipe the game with every patch im done with this treadmill. It needs a change of fundamentals to get me back.
They always try to sell us respecting our time, but at the end its all about online time and monetization. And "Early access has no longterm effect" - Bullshit!
90 euros to play 3 days early in an MMO.
I agree with what you said regarding early access for people buying the epic edition. I feel compelled to spend more now because I don’t wanna miss out or be delayed. It doesn’t feel like early access for others, just delayed for those who can’t afford it or don’t want to pay that amount. Such a shame, it does kinda put a stain on it all and them trying to justify it is just insulting our intelligence if I’m honest. Either way excited to see what the worldsoul saga holds!
They answered this in their QA video check it out and give me ur opiniom regarding it, given it's only words there and no details so we can't say for sure.
@@gunshin8244 I saw that, it’s still a greedy move and not fair on those who can’t afford the epic edition or simply don’t want to spend that much. Just cos they added the 70 boost to the base edition doesn’t make it okay, like.. I for one couldn’t care less about the boost I don’t even want it. The levelling experience is the best part of the game imo.
Ye i completely understand, i never rly cared for the early access in any games, this 1 as well, they mentioned it become the norm which is true, but it's bad norm for the industry imo - as for the boost i quite like it, unlike u i hate lvling ( i did it too much ) so i like having it back for sure at the very least tho early avcess is not nice
@@gunshin8244 levelling can become repetitive tbh idk sometimes I like replaying the old zones and stuff. But yeah it rly takes away from the excitement of everyone waiting on launch night for the new expansion to drop live at the same time for everyone. Really a shame cos obviously most of the streamers etc will be playing the 3 day early access
@@OhaiItsLucinda ye launch is always big, ig the biggest drawback in game aside from hype is finding ummm farming spots ig, i hope it's just that not advantage and shit that'd make a lot of stuff feel iffy for a week or 2 at least
I love the Preach-Ion Character arc throughout the expansions, its been a wild ride seeing you two discuss events over the years and how thats evolved.
Especially if you watch interviews with Ion i always get the feeling that he is super relaxed when talking to Mike. He certainly acts more reserved with most other interviewers.
Yeah, jumping on this comment I as I was going to comment this myself. Talking about real stuff - great questions followed by, in my opinion, honest answers. I love the relationship Preach and Ion have now it's it brings out the best of them both.
i would love for them to have some sort of meme event in-game with mike vs ion
For me, the question if they can make the story feel like it matters is still the biggest questionmark, like Preach alluded to in the video. I would describe most of WoW Story-telling as "Storytelling on debt". All those amazing moments we really love and think about worked out so great not because those stories were told and developed in WoW, but because they already had their roots established through WC3 etc, which was a much more story-focused game and took it's time to establish a meaningful story. That's why people went into WoW (vanilla). They loved the Warcraft universe, and then got amazing events unfolding in BC and WotLK that gave us conclusions to previous events. But all those things were based on what was established before.
WoW, at least for me, has failed in establishing new lore and I can't say I felt good about anything "new" simply because they don't give it the time it needs. I personally don't see this chaning drastically in the future. They will try but I would be surprised if they can deliver more than those weird moments of enemies turning into besties within 3 minutes of gameplay, which just feels so out of place. If all it took was a 3 minute conversation for the world to be fine it's just not something I can take seriously with how grand they make it out to be in the first place. I knew Illidan and the Lich King were things that mattered because I played through a game for HOURS and HOURS that established why they're important.
I just don't think they think WoW is the kind of game that can deliver a similarly in depth, meaningful backstory and thus leaving us play out only the "highlights" of a story they invision which is a shame.
The monetization is getting worse?! It's so damn sad
I'm gonna be honest. wow is like a girlfriend that cheated on you.
Doesn't matter how good she used to be. Doesn't matter what she promises. Sooner or later, she'll cheat on you again.
That's my view when it comes to this game. I don't want to invest in it anymore. I've been listening to blizzard's false promises for too long to accept them, even if a few are kept.
"Come back babe, I've changed. Just uhh... bring that good 90$ champagne instead of that 50$ swill you like, mmkay?"
some of you really need therapy, it's just a game dude
@@tobiasb1632 That's the point. It's a game. I'm supposed to enjoy it. not be annoyed every 2 seconds about another obviously stupid nonsense that they intentionally don't fix.
By all means everyone should keep an open mind about Blizzard redeeming themselves, but keeping an open mind isn't the same thing as assuming Lucy is going to let Charlie Brown kick the football this time. I'll be waiting for reviews, and to see if they actually manage to pull it off. The people who came away from this saying things like "WoW is back" evidently have lower expectations than me. Blizzard have earned no benefit of the doubt.
The idea of "coming home" is incredibly condescending for a company that has found a hundred ways to shit on and nickel and dime their customers over the last half a decade or more. You don't get to do that and then talk to me like I'm estranged family or something - especially when all I have from you right now is effectively a good sounding powerpoint presentation and a CG cinematic, hinting at a story that appears to be liberally ''''''''borrowing''''''''' from FFXIV.
They finally put out one expansion that is the game equivalent of a former star basketball player learning how to do a simple layup again after garbage for years, and have the nerve to tell anyone it's time to 'come home' because they had an epiphany that kicking their players in the shins and writing each expansion like it exists in a bottle is bad?
As someone who has played since vanilla almost exclusively for lore, they have a long way to go to get my trust back. Having metzen back i think will help, hes a long term thinker. Itll be hard to reconcile the lore of both WOD and shadowlands going forward but i hope they can.
Metzen is a brilliant creative but I don't think we can ignore some of the worst pieces of WoW lore also happened on his watch. His departure from Blizzard was recent so he contributed as much bad as anybody...
I think people forget how badly tbc was received lorewise retconning the legion, demons and draenei, kaelthas etc. Or the fact metzen started cross media narrative. Or how badly mop was received. Or cata. All under metzen.
Wow lore has been butchered so savagely that there is no patching it up
Vanilla WoW was this cool interesting world-building spin off to the RTS lore. Major lore characters were treated as cameos, the bosses you killed were all WoW originals save Kel'Thuzad, who was the boss of the game and didn't actually die. It's first expansion, TBC, was when there was a dip in quality and we started killing off lore characters because loot, though there were other more drastic ones (Cata with forgettable Deathwing and replacing the world buildign with meme quests, WoD with... well, WoD, etc.). Ironically MoP, if you can get by the "hur dur silly kung-fu pandas" atmosphere, was probably the best expansion lore-wise. It introduced a bunch of new stuff that didn't really screw up and retcon stuff, Pandaland was actually a pretty good continent, and I don't remember it butchering any characters. Some claim it butchered Garrosh, however I don't think so, I think Garrosh was always going to end up there, it's just in Pandaland his fall happened way too quickly, it went from A to B to C to Z, but I don't think it was out of character for him to become a violent warmonger who thinks he could take on the world, I would make the argument that was _in_ character, but again, the change happened too fast. I stopped caring a ton about the lore after WoD though, so eh. I would often just read summaries about it since following it in-game was just disappointing.
@@DrewPicklesTheDark Speaking of the Lore dipping in Burning Crusade a friend of mine pointed out to me in Warcraft 2 we destroy the dark portal. I think there may have been plans (i.e. had classic continued) to have a quest sort of explaining why the dark portal is back.. but we never got it.
TBH is baffling how many times we see this same shitty song and dance, they have been doing the same shit since 2015 and people still keep giving them the 300th chance to screw them over again, unless they have a COMPLETE overhaul of the wow team like sacking Ion or just relegating him to being an encounter designer and giving the boot to this terrible story team i see no change at all other than same lip service of "We'Re LiStEnINg serious this time guys, not like the last 20 times"
Love seeing preach still going. Been watching since 2012 ❤
All the changes blizz is making since dragonflight gives me the itch to play the game again but i tried dragonflight at a month orso after launch (january) and almost immediatly regretted it because of the games community. Youre promotion in this video is a part of that reason where you need to play a certain build, have these addons, etc. or you are a noob. The biggest part of the community doesnt tolerate anything that isnt the "meta" so i wont be going home since the family is (for lack of a better word) toxic.
Saying "come home" and slapping a $90 price tag on an """early access"" edition...man can this company just put aside it's boundless greed for a SECOND? Even if they pull out Metzen, the biggest hype guy they can get, they just don't realize that WoW is no longer "home" for a lot of people PRECISELY because of shit like this.
Also I have absolutely 0 faith in the story until they can actually put out something. The same writers who disenchanted Arthas and created the Jailer are still working there, why would things suddenly completely change?
Shadowlands literally killed the entire warcraft story
Yeah, it's like coming home to the area you once lived only to find out it's been completely gentrified, fenced in and with bodyguards in shades standing at the toll booth. And then inside it's actually the same neighbourhood it always was, they just wanted to feel fancy and get some cash flow going.
Ffxiv not only has early access, but you have to pay for many good emotes (and bank space) in their store.
I'm not even defending WoW here, but the hypocrisy of some people who get mad at Blizzard about doing what everyone in the industry does (or who doesn't do nearly as bad as others), yet let's everyone else slide is pretty strange.
It's all or nothing. You either are against all AAA studios doing this stuff or not, it can't be one rule for Blizzard and one rule for Square.
@@andrewshandle FFXIV early access is for every single person that preorders the game for no additional cost, and the purchase counts as a preorder up until the official release. Literally everyone gets it for free, it's not even in the same universe as what Blizzard are pulling.
There is no hypocrisy here. You can do an ethical cash shop that is non-intrusive to the actual game experience and fully optional and in no way present in the game (you really don't need more than two retainers for normal play, and if you do, just make a bank FC like you'd do in any other MMO) - or you can do a subscription, in-game cash shop that is permanent in the UI at all times and moving to the top in the new Warbands UI, selling gold directly to your players along with battlepass cosmetics points... These aren't different rules. These companies do things entirely differently.
And I want to be clear - this isn't about Square. Square as a company is fully okay with nickel and diming. This is about CBU3 who make a stand on how hard the game is monetized, what gets put in and what isn't. Blizzard used to have that too, but over the years it turned into an overmonetized hell of a game.
@@thesunthrone "You can do an ethical cash shop that is non-intrusive to the actual game experience and fully optional and in no way present in the game "
FFXIV sells bank slots and emotes. You are tying yourself in a lot of knots to justify it because we all knew if Blizzard did the same you'd be losing your mind.
Like I said, it's all or nothing. You don't get to pick and choose your outrage and maintain credibility.
If getting players to return is the goal, making them start playing 3 days late, or pay double for the new expansion does seem counterintuitive.
If you want to be smart with your money there's literally no reason to buy it. Just look at the DF launch, everyone was farming those rares and there was drama about blizz nerfing it and literally none of it mattered. You could join the last week of mythic dungeons being available before the raid and your character would be just as geared as someone playing from day 1 launch.
not interested to come "home"
as long m+ and itemisation works like it does it wont feel like a game to play with friends wit hall those crossrealms and anonym shitstuff
They must retcon shadowlands. Nothing matters in WoW going forward because of shadowlands.
Why did that last line of the video have to hit me so hard?
I stopped playing retail the day classic came out, but I wasn’t invested in the game anymore way before that. Wanting to come home really resonated with me because I think I feel the same way.
I'm glad to see Metzen back, but over the years too many bridges were burnt for me with Activision-Blizzard as a larger entity. I hope this isn't just all hype and bluster. I won't return, but I've got my fingers crossed for those who want to see a return to the quality they hope for and expect, even better.
Good thing activision is out of the picture now.
@@CrzBonKerz21 thank fug for that. Press S to spit on Activision
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@@CrzBonKerz21Oh 1000% agreed on that. My apprehension years back was SOLELY because of Activision. I've had a grudge with them longer than I care to admit lol.
@@rowdyretromoose I think the idea of them delivering at outlandish monetization is the idea. They're trying the WOW player's limits, and finding they're willing to accept almost anything.
not only the 3 day early access but the overall price of the expansion! the price bloat is insane!
Coming home costs 90$ if you want to be there first, otherwise get in a queue. But I've moved out and live elsewhere, and there are as many games competing for our limited free time as never before - many of them free to play at that!
That is what completely cools me off on everything else they promised. Maybe it will be good. Maybe the systems changes will be great. Maybe the story will be well written and exciting. But from what I've seen with Dragonflight, it's not. So where is this writing talent going to come from? Is Chris Metzen the only guy that can write? I played Cataclysm after all, I remember that even giants can stumble and fumble...
I'm not sold. Bungie showed what happens when they got "free" from the evil Activision chains - they doubled down on everything Bobby told them to do and made it worse- and now have crumbled and cracked apart. I sincerely doubt Microsoft will be any better, when this is the megacorp that is famous for trying to get you to rent MS Paint, Word and Excel, and their Starfield acquisition had a 100$ early access too even if the poors could then rent it for 10$ with Gamepass.
Honestly, I'd rather just go and tackle the giant backlog of games that have come out across these years than try and keep up with all this seasonal rent-a-game BS. I despise seasons that aren't just something limited like PvP, and I despise them being bolted onto games that don't need them - so them further going on about "seasons" in the panel? Ain't for me.
Thank you Mike, thank you PG team. Good stuff. we'll see. Really, the main reason I left wow, now in FF14 mostly, was people, community, and most specifically, M+ and the players in that space. but there are plenty of the toxic's in FF14 today as well. Better, but a growing %. and I partly blame the M+ global influence for that. healers pulling, dps pulling, run run run, everything is like racing a timer, that doesn't exist. One element of your reference to their presentations was the ability to achieve stuff solo even, piqued my interest. Yes, MMO's are people games, but If I can do most of the long game solo, and add in some people when It's appropriate, that would work better for my playstyle today. I'm too old to tolerate the childish self-absorbed me first and only me, rude boi's.
See guys???? THIS TIME!!! This time Blizzard’s turning things around!! This time!
The wow player base has more faith than some hardcore religious people lol
Dragonflihjt has been head and shoulders better than the last few xpacs so I’m not all that skeptical tbh
Can you imagine people getting this hyped if Metzen didn’t deliver that keynote? He hasn’t been back long enough to change much of anything yet, so that exact speech was going to be delivered by someone else before they drove that dump truck full of money to his front porch. It worked, so money well spent.
I've heard "this time" so so many times. You wow fans stick your hands into the fire time and again and never learn from being burned
you realise a lot of people still play and dont spend their free time complaining about Blizzard on UA-cam right? What is this loser mindset that because you dont play the game anymore it sucks and no one can play it
"Will these expansions be smaller? No, War Within will have 4 zones, 8 dungeons, and a raid! Midnight will have 4 zones, 8 dungeons, and a raid!" Okay, so they'll continue to be the smallest expansions in terms of number of zones and dungeons on release? That didn't make me less worried at all. The quality is much higher these days and the zones are bigger, but imagine if Northrend only had 4 zones but the same size. Imagine if Outland was 4 zones. Or Pandaria. I don't think him saying "They won't be smaller, we'll continue with the same formula - the smallest one yet" was a good move. Patch content is great, and with how much they've focused on seasons, I bet there's some dope stuff coming. But how many people are doing Forbidden Reach these days? Or even Zaralek Cavern?
It is convenient that all these promises come out with the 3 day "early access". This seems like marketing BS to just get you to buy in.
I just feel like this 3 days early access kills most of that big launch day hype. where you are all there, be it your friends or wow streamers you happen to watch , everyone is there together waiting for the clock to hit launch time
Tbh i rather have a smooth launch with early acces instead of being a Lagfest like it was in DF and even worse WOD. and since you dont gain any power and dont have any ingame advantage and i was gonna preoder anyway for the beta acces its fine in my book. i get the problems if you get a advantage but the only advantage is you can level a few days earlier.
@@BPStyle89It's really not about that at all, it's all about having to pay double to hang out with your friends, under the guise of "giving value." If Ion wanted to give value, they could add more cosmetics easily - they churn shit out for trading post every month. I would have not minded it so much if the early access was a pre-order bonus for buying the game like at least a month before launch, but this is just telling a large group of the player base that they must buy the 90 dollar pack, or lose out on a great deal of the fun of launch.
@@audiolols So dont buy the preorder and level with your friends whats the big deal? nobody forcing you to play early. and like just farm some mats in game and make some gold and you dont even have to pay with money for that. you can buy the whole thing for GOLD like i did. not 1 $ spent and im still enjoy the prooder bonus.. its not like they force you to pay
It's not about money either lol, it's about the principle of the thing. Some of my friends are going to want the epic edition stuff, some won't. But we're all gonna have to buy it or miss out on day 1 expansion time. You're thinking too much of gameplay and not enough about social dynamics.
What's shocking to me is hearing Blizzard say they didn't really have a long term plan or goal for their Warcraft franchise before NOW, when the game has been out for 19 years already. This new approach should already have been a part since Cata at the latest.
It's hardly surprising given how chaotic wow development has been historically - even Vanilla had its ambitions massively cut short because most of Vanillas life time was spent just keeping the game up and running.
The shortsighted nature of Mike's comment about "salty players who think they deserve" is honestly staggering.
Look, I understand that Mike personally doesn't care about gear, but surely he must be able to understand that most people do, and in fact, the very reason the raiding scene used to be as popular as it was back in the day and the reason why so many people engaged in it was because of gear. If you wanted the best gear in the game, you had to be a raider. Mike has long been a champion of getting people into raiding, convincing them to try the content out, teaching them how to play, making them understand that they can overcome these challenges. That's all fine, but it comes from a fundamental misunderstanding of what people's reluctance is. It's not because people think they can't deal with these challenges (I mean, some can't, granted). I'm sure most people are aware that, if push came to shove, they would be able to put the work in and get on the level of a Mythic raider, even if not Cutting Edge. That's not the problem. The problem is that the effort required to do that isn't worth it.
If you want to get people into raiding, then you need to examine why people raid in the first place, and people's reasons for raiding can largely be divided into 3 pillars:
1.) The challenge. People enjoy the challenge and the exhilaration of overcoming it.
2.) The gear. People like the idea of wearing the shiniest and coolest gear in the game and AFKing in front of their capital's auction house to be envied and admired by passing casuals. Whether you think this motivation is vain or not is immaterial. The point is that it is a significant motivator that cannot be dismissed out of hand.
3.) The prestige. People enjoy the prestige of being a raider, of being part of an elite class of players who are saving the world. Let's face it, the main demographic of MMORPGs are not the Chads who are popular in school. Ain't many prom kings and queens farming Azerite Power. As such, the people who play MMORPGs are generally individuals who have trouble adjusting to their real-life social environment, and want to escape that status quo in a fantasy world. In this fantasy world, they want what they can't get in real life - status, fame, prestige. That's literally the central underpinning of any RPG, fulfilling one's fantasy of being the Hero of the story. Sure, there are many pieces of content that people can enjoy in World of Warcraft, and someone can have fun all day pet battling, but the guy who spends all live long day pet battling, transmogging, or playing the auction house did not save the world. You did. You saved Outland from Illidan, or Azeroth from the Lich King, Deathwing, the Thunder King, and any number of other threats.
These are the 3 pillars that motivate people to raid. Not all people will relate to these to the same degree, some will relate only to one, Mike for instance, who only cares about the challenge, but the fact of the matter is that these 3 reasons, in various combinations and to various degrees, cover the 99.99% of raiders. And the unfortunate reality is that at this point in time, the challenge remains the only element that is still unique to raiding.
Gear? You want the best gear in the game? Cool, you have 2 options. You either commit to a guild and a raid schedule, put in a tremendous amount of work to fit into a social group, to learn your class, optimize your character, optimize your rotation, invest time in becoming the best player you can be and then continually invest time and effort into maintaining that level of skill so as to raid Mythic and get your gear from Mythic bosses...
OR... you can just clear a dungeon each week (doesn't even have to be in time, just get to the end somehow) and get a Mythic iLvL piece of loot every single week. There is NO comparison between a M+ 15 and a Mythic raid boss in terms of difficulty and the extracurricular effort that goes into organizing a Mythic raid run versus a M+ run. My main in Legion ended up at 976 iLvL. Antorus Mythic dropped 960 gear. I never stepped foot in Antorus Mythic. That should simply not be possible.
Prestige? The same thing goes for that. In his podcast with Zepla, Mike said to raiders who complain about LFR that "That content is just not for you". Yes, but it drives away engagement from our content. Prestige is a 0 sum game. If everyone has prestige, no one does. An Aston Martin is a prestigious car not because it's a good car. It's a prestigious car because not everyone has one. Scarcity gives value. Think about the prestige someone had back in the day when they said they had killed Illidan, or the Lich King, or Yogg-Saron, or Ragnaros, or Kel'Thuzad, or C'Thun, or Kael'thas. Think about the prestige someone has right right now when they say they've killed the Jailer, or Deathwing, or Jaina, or G'huun, or Denathrius, or Sylvanas, or N'Zoth, or Azshara. Literally anyone can do it by just pressing a button and entering a queue. Mike himself did an experiment in Mists where he took a fresh rogue (if memory serves) character and managed to kill Lei Shen on LFR without ever typing in chat or pressing a single ability. That's possible in the game right now, in an MMORPG, it is completely possible to kill the final supervillain of the story without ever talking to any of your fellow MMO players and without using any of your RPG abilities. You cannot possibly make the case that that is an acceptable state of affairs.
So, is it any wonder that people stop raiding? I mean, why would they bother with it? If they can get easily get to see all the content and experience defeating the ultimate supervillain in tourist mode and they can easily get the best gear in the game by just running some dungeons, why ever bother with something as challenging as Mythic raiding?
Like I said, the challenge is the only thing that raiding has got going for itself anymore, and yes, I understand that that's enough for a lot of people, but you must also understand that for the overwhelming majority of players, that's not enough.
It's like saying that you only work out for the health benefits. You don't care about aesthetics. You don't care if working out makes you look better or not. Ok, sure, good for you, gold star, but surely you must understand that the overwhelming majority of gym goers work out for appearance-based reasons. If it were the case that starting tomorrow, working out no longer made you look better, or if you could easily achieve an aesthetic physique some other way with no side-effects (even without the health benefits), literally 90% of gyms worldwide would go out of business overnight and it would come as no surprise whatsoever.
It's all the same things they have been saying for years. This is just youtube / streamer hype for clicks and views. I disconnected from Blizzard 6 months ago from every game they had. Best decision I ever made.
After playing many other games out there, for every genre they have, I'll never go back. Blizzard is so far behind the curve and the only people that are unaware are their die hard fans that will stick around no matter what they do.
Time to come home? No, it's time for new adventures and better games with other companies.
Its just the eternal cope that your abusive girlfriend has, really changed for the better this time.
Really i truly dont know why anyone would believe those words from Ion considering the past.
I got Dragonflight when it came out, played it for 2 days and just forgot about it entirely. I didn't even have a big "fuck this game" moment, I just lost interest. I used to at least be able to get a month or two out of a WoW expansion, which was fine for me, but I can't even get that anymore. I had my fun with the game but at this point, there's just so many other things I'd rather play.
Maybe they'll surprise me with the new expansion, but I doubt it.
This is how people felt about the last expansion and the expansion before....
Dragon flight was miles better then shadowlands. You take a similar level of improvement from dragon flight to war within and you have a great game
If they can prove that they can write a satisfying story (inside of the game), with authentic characters, i will consider coming back.
Even now WoW is not a bad game.
But I don't JUST want to have fun, I want to fall in love with the world as well
Wow has a story? Don't see it in m+
nope. Since thy want to release expansion per year, charging you 70-90€ per year + monthly fee + HAVING THAT MTX SHOP and WOW TOKEN, It wont make game better... Its incredible hard to find guild, since many, many troubles and problems the game devs created. (on release 8 dungeons and 1 raid, but doubt there will be 4-5 raids per expansion, i would guess 2 to three instead, maybe more if they do one boss raids like in WOTLK)
Bro modern writers in general cant do that
You must be Horde, because the ONLY place where the Alliance win is in lore. If you get rid of THAT, there is no Alliance.
@@GhostAeonWolf no way you just watched a video in which Ion said that there's a 7 year plan for the next 3 expansions and went "they want to release an expansion every year", FUCKING LMAO
Blizzard needs to address the bot problem that they have ignored for years, they need improve their customer service experience and just because something is "industry standard" doesnt mean that it should be and that everyone should be doing it.
Blizzard said all the right things I wanted to hear. The Warbands system alone might be enough to draw me back. However, they really set the expectations high imo. Let's see if they can deliver.
Shadowlands was supposed to be like this too. Then right before launch they absolutely screwed everything up (and didn't fix most of it til the last season). Dragonflight, as you said, has been better in a lot of ways, but it really has exposed some of the weaknesses of the core game. I'm hopeful that DF showed them some things about the playerbase, and that the next few expansions truly do feel like a return home.
because in Dragonflight they listened to twitter about a more grounded story and then found out that its BOOORING AND NOT WHAT THE ACTUAL AUDIENCE WANTS
@@Freestyle80people didn’t dislike the dragon flight story bc it’s grounded. They disliked it bc there wasn’t stakes and build up the way there were for previous expansions.
The point about storyline being behind renown is a good one. I had no interest in grinding out renown throughout the expansion, so I missed a bunch of the story. Once I realised I was missing some of the story, I just stopped caring about anything after that point. The main story should really be self-contained and not require people to go do a bunch of unrelated filler to unlock.
Vanilla gave 2 continents,60 levels
Burning crusade added an area only 10 levels obsoleted all previous work rinse and repeat all the way to current release
I'm inspired by how long you've carried this ancient silly torch. Almost 2 decades later and this is your hot topic. Of the many many criticisms I've seen, I never expected to be surprised again. Kudos to you dude!
there was a time you culd take blizards word for it … never again wow died a long time ago
My issue is that it feels to me that everything good they do is reactionary. No change feels honest and feels like it's not made because they think it'll be better. Feels like they're forcing themselves to do this because everyone left, and, as soon as they get their numbers back to what they want, they'll restart the cycle of bullshit again
By definition change is reactionary tho. If everything was perfect , they wouldnt have to change. Give credit where credit is due cause in DF , they've had constant Ws. As for the "everyone left" argument, dunno if you logged in lately but game is pretty alive tbh ^^
@georgeadam6744 if it was so good why they have never shown sub numbers again? or why do they keep milking the playerbase with more and more in game store bs, WoW has worse in game store than many f2p MMOs now. People need to stop being fanboy
@@PedroIgori Who even gives a flying fuck about WoW's ingame store? Its cosmetics. buy em or dont, they offer nothing. Dont play the game if you dont want to , just stop being crybabies with a superiority complex. Also regarding player numbers you can easily google that and find out! ^^
@@georgeadam6744 they mean blizz has no vision and only seem like doing things because of that and not truly believe in new ways
In a word, not genuine
@@georgeadam6744 if its was CONSTANT Ws there wouldn;'t be mixed reactions about DF and complaints about lacking stuff to do. While DF is a step up from Shadowlands, to make something worse would be impressive at this point. If everyone left the servers would be shut down but to deny a massive and i mean MASSIVE amount of the player base has left retail for classic, hardcore or another game is straight up denial. Baiscally blizzard has ruined their reputation with MMO gamers and will have to slowly earn it back...can they do it sure, but i am skeptical of their ability to succeed.
3 Day Early Access while being justified by as a standart (shitty one), i think shouldnt be accepted as a standart in case of WoW, B2P game with monthly fee and all things existing in F2P projects (In-game store, tokens). Its not just predatory - its the highest possible level of greed and anti-consumer policy. The only thing worse than that would be them selling patches for money, but i feel like we are already halfway there with new expansions sounding lighter on content than actual expansions like Legion or BFA (or even DF).
Id wish to be wrong, but im sure ill be in the right, presuming that TWW, MN and TLT would have just 2 raids per expansion and very little of new features outside new Delves and new Hero Talents. Which in fact, would be something, easily fitting a single Legion or BFA patch in the past.
It’s sad it’s taken them four expansions to figure this out. The flash of legion overshadowed how poorly the game was made. It’s limped on ever since.
players were madge about those incredibly shitty systems since the fucking alpha. They hated endless AP grinding, they hated random drop legendaries, they voiced their contempt with varying degree of NSFW in their vocabulary.
And what happened? A big fat nothingburger. The game shipped with all the crap that was criticized since it was first shown.
@@alewis514 Well of course. After all they got to call the fixes "features" in a later patch. Fixing them early starves the patch cycle.
"Bring players home" ... What can I say: I'm in my late 30s and moved places around 15 times, different countries, different cities. Cant say I'm "at home" anywhere, let alone a game XD
On a more serious note... No. I dont trust them. They still release a book, they still try to goat people with "FoMo" tactics and still spoil their own story. How am I to expect them to turn a new leaf?? I dont expect them to write something like Heavensward, but I want them to get their lore and story straight. I'm still mad at what they did with the lore books: they werent lore books explaining to us their world, they were story history books, and everything in there turned out to be meaningless! Sure, nice artwork, nicely written, I cant deny I was thoroughly entertained - but this wasnt what they advertised. And I'm tired of it all. Maybe, in a couple years, when they figured things out, it might be worth my time again... but then again: by that time I probably wont be interested in games anymore to begin with... Who knows...
A black stain on the industry. What a great way to convey the early access issue. Well done Mike! Sincerely hope that you and other influential persons in this space can pressure Blizzard into reversing that terrible decision
Are they really charging extra for the early access? I'm sure people will point out that FFXIV also does 3 days early access to content if you pre order. But as far as I am aware, it is just part of the regular preorder perks. It's what you would pay for the regular expansion anyways but you get a bonus for giving them that amount early.
@@cynicalmanatee They are not charging more for it per se but only including it in the most expensive package. The package is the same price it was last expansion, but with it only being in the most expensive one, people are arguing that it is trying to drive people to buy that one. Honestly, I want the company to make money so they can stay open and make more content.
from 2004 to 2010 I played nothing else but wow. I feel I had my fill and dont ever want to go back
Preach i think you drank the kool aid
My comment will likely be looked at as a whining one but, personally I just don’t trust Blizzard anymore. Sad truth. They broke it too many times. The state of their games aside, this has completely ruined my enthusiasm for their titles.
I wish I shared your enthusiasm, but I too will wait and see what the future holds .
I feel as though people are getting caught up in the blizzcon hype. Let's not forget this is the same company that's thumbled every new system release in modern history. Let's just wait and see before coming back.
I know some people really like the Dragonflight changes, but the answer for me is just no.
Mike, you talked about the frustration of locking quests behind renown. I agree not fun! But Wow has always locked the huge climatic ending of an expansion behind a raid wall. Even if I do get involved in the over arching story of any expansion, I have to watch the end of the story on UA-cam. I don't raid (though years ago I did and loved it), Im just not sure why I have to do that again just to get to the end of my story. Other games have handled it much better in my opinion. Raids are still an important part of any expansion but shouldn't hold the key to the ending of the main story line. I don't want to get my cinamatic endings from UA-cam anymore nor should I be forced into raiding just to reach a satisfactory conclusion of the expansion. I haven't found anything that talks about a remedy for this, though I admit that info overload (so many great things) may have casued me to miss it. I AM going home with fingers crossed that I can finally be a **hero** all the way to the end of the story :)
Watching everyone instantly forget and get hyped about shit they are going to hate when it comes out is amusing. "OMG METZEN IS BACK!" from people who didn't even like him when he was current lol. People constantly whined about the stories he wrote and the direction he was going. Cata was crap, mop was hated until it wasn't, and WOD was a big ol fail. All were under Metzen.
Is that so? Or perhaps many people liked what Metzen brought to WoW storywise and you are just not one of them.
Just because people have a different opinion or preference doesn't make them hypocrites.
@@melissakampers Metzen has genuine passion and loves fiction, it's clear in his work. But he cannot write the game alone. Just read through Chronicle 2 and all the INCREDIBLE lore about Draenor... and notice how barely any of it was in the game, because they pulled the crank mid-development and cut budget to make Legion instead. Chris couldn't do anything about it then, how can he do anything about it now?
I distinctly remembering people trashing Cata, MoP, and WoD stories. Forums were nothing but rage posting about green jesus, Cata story reclining, WoD orc fatigue and time-wimey nostalgia exploitation, etc. They said MOP was boring kung fu panda world of dailycraft mists of grinderia.
People consistently hate stuff and then say it was great later after they forget what it was like. People also hated that PVP lead too. Then he left. Then he came back and people were like "finally, someone good!"@@melissakampers
I started in vanilla, quit in BfA, and will not go back. It's certainly not my "home" anymore.
Love your content. I for one and cautiously optimistic on a bunch of things. There certain things that get me excited and not necessarily the upcoming three expansions. Allowing us to dragon ride in the old zones and Dracthyr getting Dragon Riding system into their Soar kit gets me pretty excited.
The way the quest text are presented need to change. It's much harder to care for people about a couple paragraphs of bland text in a little box on the far left of their screen. Addons like "Immersion" do what they should have implemented years ago to make the story presentation up to date.
Leaving retail was the best decision I ever made. It'll take an hell of a miracle in changes to bring me back. My time is precious and is better spent in fulfilling things.
The Warcraft universe has to be my favorite one, and while I enjoy reading a book about past lore events like War of the Ancients or Rise of the Horde, I always disliked how little actual story is being told in game and how each expansion's ''story'' has to be wrapped up by the end of it.
I hope that they have in fact learned from their past and from other mmo's when it comes to telling a story with the Worldsoul Saga, because there's no other MMO universe out there that I love. I tried other mmo's, including the ''Critically acclaimed mmorpg' up until the end of Shadowbringers', I read every quest and watched every cutscene, but I couldn't get invested in the world and it's characters. Aside from the bit of Bahamut's story and the Dragonsong War, it just didn't do anything for me.
I really want Blizz to prove that they've changed, so I can return to my favorite world and enjoy it once more!
We all want to go home, Mike. Warcraft to me, will always be the greatest and most impactful game ever made but damn do they have a long ways to go improving the story and how it's paced and delivered
I just don't see how it's possible to have the WoW story actually be compelling. The cinematics in 10.2 so far have not been encouraging.
MMOs were never a story focused medium and trying to make them cinematic experiences has done irreparable damage to the genre as a whole. WoW excelled when people could ignore what every quest's text said and rush to end game and if you came across something like the Wrathgate the cinematic did enough to explain what was going on by itself. No one was unsubscribing because they didn't know the lore behind a particular raid boss but now that Blizzard is so desperate to make the story front and centre it's been the main aspect of the game people laugh at or shit on.
without watching the video, all I can say is if you refer to it as "home", then you were always destined to come back.
Unless your parents were abusive and you were bullied at school :)
@@SimplyConeh which is why I'm careful about what I call home
Like you I hate the 3 day early access and will be buying just the base version of the expansion. Another thing that needs addressing is the fixation on pets and transmogs. They’ve gone completely ridiculous with it and as someone who doesn’t give a shit about this stuff I’m not very motivated to climb the renown tree among other things.
Promises, promises. Show something first, then i'll consider coming back. Blizzard has just pulled too many dickmoves in the past, promising overwatch pve as a popular example. Now they promise us an epic storyline and a conclusion to so many story paths....and yet, all we got on our hands is a preorder pack for 90 dollars with a predatory buisiness model.
So dont buy the 90$ pack then.. like you dont get any advantage in game you can just LEVEL earlier. and tbh alot of people prolly bought the 90$ pack for the beta acces to test things.
@@BPStyle89 You've clearly not played a whole lot if you believe that. The first 24-48 hours of an expansion is when supply of the new items is low and demand is high, which has a tremendous impact on their prices. You play it right and you can get hundreds of thousands of gold - gold which you can use to buy high end BOEs, gold for GDKPs, gold to make your professions better faster - which solidifies your advantage.
Then you have the issue of gearing. By the time m+ is released you are competing with everyone else to see who can get the highest gear score the quickest so that you actually get invited. If you miss out on that then you will be forever behind and forever unable to get into groups. Same goes for PVP. The "there is no advantage" is a lie.
@BPStyle89 This philosophy only works if you are a dedicated solo player. If you are in a guild, you'll see friends, you guild, start early while you still sit there waiting. You'll fear of missing something. Once you start, you cant share your experiences with them anymore because for them stuff is already three days old. This is a disgusting trend which shouldnt exist, period.
But yeah, you are right i am not going to buy the $90 pack. I am not even preordering the normal pack. As i said in my original comment, i want to see them deliver something worthwhile first. Chris metzen really knows how to rally a crowd, hes incredibly charismatic. And yeah, the plans they showcased look good. Nevertheless, up until this point all we got is promises.
I hope they get it right, but i am not trusting them enough to give them my money yet. Until they have built up trust again, they should deliver first.
@@Happydrumstick93 apperently you have no clue what you are talking about then mate. Gold in this game hasent been an issue for over 10 years. if you think leveling 3 day earlier without m+ unlocked and all the weekly quest and mythic 0 Ids only starting when the early acces is over you dont have any advantage.
then gearing that you think will be an issue make your own group then problem solved. Mythic 0 wont be open untill early acces is over you dont get any more loot than the rest. and M+ wont be release for another 3 weeks when raids are released. just like it was in BFA shadowlands and Dragonflight. and if you are buying preraid BOEs then you are trolling anyway. since you will be replacing then in a matter of hours to a week when M+ is released.
I get having FOMO but in reality you dont have any advantage for leveing a few days early and spending 100k gold for proffessions when a few days later the prices allready drop is trolling aswell.
And if you think i dont play the game cause i dont see leveling early is any advantage then you are straight up trolling.
@@termagant425 Actually im a CA raider that has to have a few chars ready for m0 Weeks so no the philosophy still works. cause when you are in a semi competend guild you will run the m0 anyway with them since they arent open before anyway. the only thing that i agree with you is the fear of missing something or missing out on something. but thats not a game problem, thats a you problem. had many people preoder and still not level on launch night and guild groups waiting for a day later since you cant do anything at maxlevel anyway till your groups are ready.
like i said i understand if you straightup get any advantage in Game then its an issue that should be solved. but since the only thing is getting to level a bit later thats fine IMO
For all the talk about "home," you think they were about to finally announce a housing system...nope, same stuff yet again mostly.